Twins, Pastors, Partners In Crime: Mary And Martha Share Some Unforgettable Stories

In this episode Mary and Martha reveal what it's really like to grow up as identical twins and to do so as pastor's kids who were brought up in church culture. 

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So, Martha, what are some of the most common questions that we have been asked throughout our lives? Are we sisters? Yes. Are we twins? Yes. Are we pastors? Yes. Have we ever switched places? Yes. So I'm Mary Alessie. I'm Martha Munizi. And we decided to jump in the podcast booth and create a podcast where we just talk and we share your best. We have a lot to say, a lot to talk about, and we talk a lot. We do talk a lot. We're talkers. We are talkers. Yes. Our husbands tell us we don't stop talking. They stop listening and we keep talking. Well, that's just the way it is. But we've, you know, we are twins. Yes. We are sisters. We do kind of complete each other's sentences. Have you seen those two twins, the twins from Australia? Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. We don't do that. But we do share a brain. I think we do it. In some ways. I mean, I think we really do uh understand each other as twins. Yeah. I I think sisters do that as well. Then twins are it's like even more than that. We really do understand each other. Twins definitely understand each other. Like I feel like if I I feel like if I ask you something about anything, I already know what you're gonna say. Totally. So why do you ask me? Right. Well, but I what I'm saying is if somebody says, well, ask your sister what she thinks. You already know. I already know. Just trust me. I don't know. No, ask her. Okay. I'll try to do that. For confirmation. Right. And you ask me, and you say, I already knew what she was gonna say. I already knew what she was gonna say. Because that's how alike we are. Yeah. And you know, people throughout our whole lives have there, people are enamored with twins. Right. They all want to know. We've just we get stopped, even to this day at our age, we've had kids. People still want to know all about the twin thing. Yeah. And even in starting this podcast, we looked up just names of podcasts. Yes. We had to move away from twin talk because we aren't gonna talk about our being a twin that first. Forever. No, we're not. Because we have a lot about our lives that we want to talk about, how we've spent our lives and what we're doing to this day. So But we do have fun, you know, being twins. I think people have asked through the years, what do you like about being a twin? What's hard about being a twin? We can talk about that. I think people would love to hear about that. You know, what's hard about being a twin is that it seems like everybody compares you. Oh my gosh. Everybody thinks, or they're uh maybe they don't do it on purpose, but subconsciously pit you against the other. They do. I remember in middle school, they do we had the same best friend, and one time you and I got in a fight over her, and you said, Well, you just need to know she told me that she likes me better than she likes you. Yeah. And I was like, no, she didn't. She told me she likes me better than she likes you. Well, she told me I was the pretty one. What? She told me I was a pretty one. So whoever that person was, I don't remember. Uh, but they did some uh, they tried to kind of weasel in, it didn't work. No, because neither one of us, we're not competitive like that. We've never been competitive. No, no, no. And people have even said, when are you gonna do um another album together? For years we've heard that. When are you gonna do music together? When are you gonna? And the truth is we've we've done a few things together. A few things, but but we've never wanted to. No, we haven't. And it wasn't a thing of some kind of passive-aggressive, unspoken. No, you know, had nothing to do with our relationship. No, we just didn't. We had different colleagues, we have different desires. And you, we're both very strong. We're both strong leaders. And I had a vision for what I wanted to do, you had a vision for what you want to do, and we've always respected that. And the truth is, a lot of people couldn't just couldn't believe that because that's not the dynamic they have in their home. Well, what they don't understand about twins. If you aren't a twin, you don't understand this. We are not two halves of one hole. Exactly. We are two completely different people. Yes. So when people will say things like, let's just be honest, man, your sister's hair, wow, man, she's her hair looks great. Costs a lot more than hers, I can tell you that. You fixed my hair for this podcast. I that's not offensive to me because I'm not comparing. I'm not living my life thinking, how much do I still look like my twin sister? Well, no, and for my whole life, I have wanted to be Farah Fawcett. Like my whole life. Like my God. Like at five. Oh my God. My hair has been my thing. Guys, it's just been wait a minute. I have okay. If you're gonna talk about Farah Fawcett, I have to tell the stories. You might want to let the younger, you know. Well, how obsessed you were with your hair, because I'm very different. But let the younger generation know who Farah Fawcett is. Farah Fawcett is the hair lady. She's the Jennifer Aniston. Even that's kind of but she was is still iconic, even though she has passed. But she was very iconic, Charlie's Angels. Yes. But what she was really known for was her hair. And she mastered the wings. Come on. Okay. All the 80s and 90s, ladies. And the final net hairspray. Final net. But it always looked like she just did it and it wasn't so natural. But those wings that kind of bob out. Look, I can try. That hairspray doesn't click and like wing. I remember being at youth camp and I wanted those wings to go back so bad. And I went into the, they stopped at the rest area, and I got under the hand dryer with my little blow dryer. The little tiny round, little tiny half an inch brush that you just kind of roll, and you kind of like you roll under the hairdryer and your bangs. And then when you pull it, just like they bounce up. Okay. That's the best. Okay, so the truth is though, I could have cared less about my hair. It's very true. And you would get up an hour early before the bus picks picked us up at a god-awful time in the morning to make sure your hair was perfect. You have been that way since we were allowed to fix our hair. And then I would get waken up by you and then our sister Marveline. Would you please 6 a.m. would you please, would you please put a French braid in my hair? I'm like, oh no. But I always did it. But you did it. You were always into hair. I was never into hair. You were always into makeup. I was never into makeup. You were always into fashion. I was never into the floor. How many albums have you done? Yes. How many albums have you done? And I gave you the outfit to wear that night and switched it out from what you had planned on a wearing that. This is what you're wearing. All the time. A lot. And she doesn't even care. She barely says thank you. I don't have I listen. But at this point, as long as she looks the way I want her to look, because you know, we have to, she's gotta, we gotta have some kind of presentation. I try not to make you look bad. But I am the more conservative twin. You are, you're the more glam squad twin. Can't help it. But we are different, and people have compared us our whole lives. So although we're used to it, um, we've also had to really work personally to define our own self-image. Yes. And we are still very close. It has never affected our relationship, but um, we've never led it because our relationship matters more. But we've done a lot in our lives. You and I both have done so much in our lives, which we want to jump into and talk about on this whole podcast journey that we hope people jump in with us and they they like. But just just staying on the twin thing for a minute. Over the years, when I meet twins at our church or whatever, I always lean in and do the twin talk. Yeah, like you have this kind of kids. Yeah, yeah, you do, we do, because we get it as twins, right? How other people treat you, how your parents treat you. Yep. Um, you you always can naturally make people on the outside feel left out when it is never your intention. You you you just are. We are twins from birth. We've never known a day without it out being we are wombmates. Womb mates. I taught I twa putty wombmates. It it's not something we put on or can't take off. No. We are twins. And we have had moments where we in certain settings we've had to go, okay, don't sit the same, you know, don't sit at the same side of the table, sit apart, right, be careful, be just because it's so natural. Yeah. And we don't want to be, you know, the people that kind of are leaving people out of the conversation. We've never meant to do it. No. And I think we do pretty good with that because we both like to chat and and talk people up that are sitting around us, but it it is just so easy. And I would say, as a twin, it's been so easy for you and I to communicate and with sisters, sisters communicate very well for the most part. And but for my husband and I, yeah, sure. It's been like, why do I have to finish that statement? You should know what I'm gonna say. And he still cannot, no, you know, he does some, he's better, but it's just not the same. No. And you you've got the female brain, the male brain, and then you throw in somebody that's a twin that somebody really does know the trail of thought of what I'm thinking and knows how to talk to me, knows how to respond to what I'm saying. And that's been very interesting. It is, and I don't think there's no, I don't think there's any relationship other than twins that have that much continuity or or or closeness in biology, yeah, actual biology. We can't fix that, we can't change that, we can't undo that. I can't have that with my own children because they don't have the same twin brain. So it's it's been totally different. But getting back to um, you're saying I trailed off. You did trail off. I'm sorry. But let's go back to being kids and being twins. Yes, because we had some funny, funny times. And one of the questions that have always been asked of us to this day, it's so funny that people ask this question, but they do. Did you ever switch to play since? Yes, we did. We did do it now. Well, hold on though. I wanted to do it a lot sooner than you did. You were the okay, so Mary, so before you guys think we're the same person, we're not. No, no. I was always the rule follower. You were like, let's break the rules all the time. And it would drive me. You talk about anxiety. That's where my anxiety began as a child. I agree. Because my twin sister wanted to break the rules. Yeah. And I just couldn't handle it because I'm thinking, no, we were told, don't go there. Go here. We're supposed to be here at a certain time. We're not supposed to you skip class. I okay. Here's the thing. When I tell you I loved to enlighten her children on all of the things she did as a child, that was my favorite part when they got old enough. And I could go, you know, your mother skipped class, skipped like the whole day one time. I sure did. And I'm over there, Miss Judgy. I can't believe you. We're Christians. I know. Our pastor, our father's a pastor. What's wrong? And you're out there having a ball. It didn't even bother you. It didn't phase me. I didn't care. But I love that about you so much. I love that about you. I didn't care. And I skipped Spanish class all the time, which was so stupid because then I ended up living in Miami. And if I ever needed a class, that's the class I should have had. That's how the devil, the devil was trying to rob you of your way back when and uh yeah, you should have skipped Spanish class. I know I just failed Spanish class. I took it, I just didn't do it. Then you should have skipped it with me. I told you. You were having a ball. I was having a great time. What was I doing? Sneaking around, having a good time. Well, I will say that when we decided to skip places or to change places, I had begged you. I had begged you, let's do it. It's fun. And of course, you know, all of our friends were always challenging us to do it because we looked so much alike. Right. Was it eighth grade? I think it was eighth grade. Like the worst grade of your entire existence was eighth grade. Yes. Horrible. And we did it. And I remember um, and I did it, of course, with so much anxiety, and I was so scared. You did it. But I did it, and you did you take a test? And you took a test. Or I took a test for her, and I'm sure I did not pass it or didn't do better. You were a better student than me. Was I? I think I I think you were. Oh, we gotta tell that other story. Which one? About the oh Jesus. Oh, we gotta tell the story. I buried it. Um uh well, and I told I told my church this story too. And of course, you know, you I love my church people, but they were like, You did what? There was a lot of shame. I'm like, I was in sixth grade. And it's a great story. I think it's a great story. But we switched. Yep. Our teacher never knew. Well, no, it was several teachers. We had several classes. That's right. You had to do it all day. We had to do it all day, and that was what was so unfun yeah that nobody noticed. Nobody even that's how invisible we are. It's so invisible, nobody even noticed that we trained places. I think one person in one class looked up and went like, ah, shh, don't tell. That's right, that's right. But it ended up just being like a uh just like a a bust because no one It was not fun. It it did not produce any fun fruit like I was hoping it would. Only anxiety. Really anxiety. And we never did it again because we're like, well, this isn't fun if you can't get caught. No, and that was the that was kind of like the we thought I had this thought that we would get caught and everyone would just die laughing. Isn't that an applaud? This is hilarious. These twins are so funny. Look at this. Look at how they they they you know what they did to to deceive us and how hilarious. We did it too because people would ask us, do you guys ever change places? So that's why we did it. We're like, no, we never change places, so let's change places. Right. And it turned out to be really could have been a little bit planned better, well thought out, maybe on another, but still, we have a great story to tell. We do have a great story. Just no one no one noticed it. No, it's probably not that great. It's not that great of a story. But my story is a great one. Well, it's bad, but it's good. Okay. You want me to tell it or you want to tell me? You can tell it. And yo. Okay. So we were in high school and we were trying to just graduate. We just needed to get the heck out of there. Okay. And uh right in our in in junior year, they changed the rules that you had to um you couldn't have more than like seven absences, which is fine. But if you were tardy three times, it counted as one absence. Right. Well, we're done. That's it, because we were late every day. Well, we were hair. Well, come on. And we would stop by Burger King on the way in and eat. Well, that's true. And they bust us like 45 minutes from our house. Remember those days? Yeah, ridiculous. Okay, continue. This, so we were always late. But one of the reasons is they put our, we had to take an extra class, like American history, remember? Uh yeah, it was terrible. And they put us, and it was no reason to even have it, but you just had to have that extra credit. They added more credits that you had to have in your senior year. I'm like, what? What are you talking about? So we had to do this extra credit, whatever. And um, so they put the class way out in the field in one of those trailers. Oh, it was terrible. So you didn't just have to walk in the the school and then find your class. You had to literally sprint across the field. Yeah. And so if you were three minutes late, you're gonna be 10 minutes late. It was crazy. So we and if you were crossing the threshold, the teacher that we had at the time was like, that's it. Yeah, he was just by the letter of the law. So we were just that close to not graduating, just on you know, tardies alone. So it was the last part of the year, and they wanted us to do like a special I thought it was a string art project. It was a string art project, which is I don't even know that they do string art like that now. And you had to have it ready for the last week of school. String art is wood plank with nails, with those nails, yarn or string that creates a pretty picture. And it looks so easy in the box. It does, it's horrible. And then you're like, I can do this in 30 minutes. Oh no, you're gonna be there three hours because you're because you put out like this little form of a butterfly. And then the string doesn't stay on the nails. And then you're nailing all these little tiny nails. Oh, it was terrible. Those of you that from our era, you'll know what I mean. Yeah. So I, being the good twin, actually did mine and finished it. I stayed up late and got all the string art. I'd make like a butterfly or something stupid. It was all wonky and the nails were all turned the wrong way, but whatever. Can I just say before you tell what I did, how stupid of an assignment for juniors in high school. Okay, I'm just that was my defense. Go ahead, tell the story. So, yeah, very bad. So, you, the rule breaker that you were, you said I did not, I didn't do it. I didn't finish my project. I said, What are you gonna do? Because this is the part about being a twin that you need to know. For me, I always felt responsible for her. So, like, you have to do it. I can't believe you didn't do it because we have to be on the same page about everything. Like, we have to graduate together, we have to get the same grades. We have that was my mindset as a twin. Like, you can't step outside of the twindom. You know what I'm saying? So um, you were like, what twindom? I don't care. Yeah, I was a reflection on you, you were reflecting on me, but all that stuff. Yeah, whatever. So we realized you realized to tell, and I realized that you had not done the project. So I'm like, what am I panicking? What are you gonna do? So my somebody had given our father this, it's a wooden boat. It was pretty big. It was beautiful, it was a beautiful boat, sailboat, and then maybe you've seen it like in somebody something like an old office or something, and it's got the like the that beige-looking fan on it, uh the the sail, and then it's all these beautiful string art, but it looks like something m made professionally. It's beautiful. They've got big ones and small ones or whatever. Maybe we could find a picture and post it in here. Um and Mary, and somebody had just given my dad that, and it was in his office, and it was up on the bookshelf. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We gotta find something in the house to take, and all of a sudden your eye scans. And at the same time, I feel like we both had the same idea. Let's bring in that sailboat and we'll just present it as your project, and then we'll just take it home at the end of the day, we'll put it back. Dad will never know it's gone. It's like a sitcom script. We're like, let's do it, let's do it. So we pull it down, we go into the classroom, I walk in front of the teacher, you're there with me because we had the same class, I pull out my little decrepit string art butterfly. Which was really ugly, by the way, with the nails falling out, and I hand it to him, and he's like, uh-huh. Then you present this beautiful, beautiful ship with the string. And I remember we're both standing there. Do you remember this? Oh, I I vivid. And he was like, Oh, this is beautiful. I know. We were not prepared for questions. No, we weren't. Okay, we were not gonna prepare. We were just gonna turn it in. I'm just handing it in, just handing it in. Please. And he says, This is unbelievable. Mary, yeah, did you make this? And I was like, um, and I think we both at the same time went, uh I made it in my mind. Oh God, we're both going to hell. And so, so he goes, you know what? This is the best thing I've seen all day. Of all the students, this is the best one. Can I keep this? Oh my god. My armpits were sweating. What are we doing? I was dying. I'm gonna put it up here on this shelf so everyone can see it throughout the day because we were first period. I know. We go sit down. What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? We're shooting each other glasses. We're dead. Dad's gonna kill us. We're gonna get oh my gosh. Somehow at the end of the day, I think we waited. Do you remember how we got it back? I think we waited till he was on a break and then we went and got it. And I think I told him later, listen, my dad asked for that when I was leaving the house and I didn't want and my dad's gonna get mad. But then I was just praying he wouldn't ask dad about it. He knew he couldn't be that dumb. Yeah, he kind of was. But hey, listen, I graduated. Hey, we both did. We got out of that place. I was gonna say with flying colors. You know, I heard they burned that place down. I heard that our high school burned to the ground. Well, we did it but well, they did destroy it. With all the memories in it and everything burned. Wouldn't that be something and you have and you had left that had he kept that ship? But you know what's funny is years later when Dan and I got married, Dan, my husband, was a builder. And he opened up uh one day he went to open up a new subdivision, he was building homes, and they had just built like three starter homes. He comes home and goes, guess who I just built a house for and helped to move in today? I said, Who? The same teacher that we had turned that ship in. Did he remember about my ship? We didn't bring it up. I said, Don't make eye contact so he doesn't remember you. He goes, Oh no, I didn't. I just got in and got out. Yeah, that was a funny full circle. That's the only bad thing I ever did, ever. Yeah. How much time do we have? And turn in. I was. There's two others, but we'll leave this for another. Unbelievable. Uh Mary, you know, I think you were gonna two shoes. I was. You were. I was. You were we have no stories about you. No, remember, no, I've got a couple, but you remember when we had our chorus class? Yes. And I won the classes, we would do, we would have a course, and then like sixth period, I was the teacher's assistant. Somehow I got signed up for that, and she had just graduated college, so and just became a teacher, and we would drive her nuts. And because you and I took over the class. Oh, all the time. Because it was her first year, it was our third year. But we took seniors, and we were like, we don't need a teacher. Yeah, Mary and I got this, and we would teach chorus. We would get on the piano, sing, bring everyone around, do this. The second year, the first year we had our favorite teacher, Mr. Mr. Gordon. Shout out to Mr. Gordon, he's a professor now at at uh South Asian, I believe he's still there. Phenomenal teacher. Taught us everything we knew about singing. Then he left, and then the next year we had another teacher who we drove, y'all, these twins right here, drove him so crazy. We did that over the summer he had to go and get therapy. Because we would not one time we would not stop. No, one time, remember you said something out loud and he got mad and kicked you out of the class and asked you to leave. The whole class followed you out. Yes, what was that about? I don't remember. The whole class followed her out. That's he had no control over that class. Yeah, and he had to come out and make us all come back in. That was you were like a little I was. I was very strong. Yes. I was very strong. Okay, what's the name of the the Sally Fields character? In that. Movie where she's you were like a ch like whatever that is, whatever that is. I'm you were like the champion, like follow we're following her out. Whatever she is, we're good. You can't talk to her like that. Meanwhile, you're what 15. Yeah, and I it couldn't have been with too much conviction because I don't even remember what that why I was mad, what he said, what he didn't he he, but poor guy, poor guy. To have you and me. Oh Lord. For and and then I think we were there like for three hours every day. Because we had uh we had course, then we had contenders, which was the jazz ensemble, right? And then I was the teacher's assistant, so he couldn't get rid of us. He could not get rid of us, and we were very strong, very yeah, poor. I'm so sorry. Sorry, Mr. Mr. What's your name again? So then the third year. Mr. Gordon, Mr. Gordon. No, Mr. Gordon was a good one. But then after then it was a second one. Yeah, that's right. Then the third year I had this teacher who was young, and she would just stay in her office all day, and that was when they would put big the big TVs on those rolling oh, rolling carts. Yeah. And so I would roll the cart in and I would watch soap operas. I would watch. I would watch soap opera. And the whole time with my anxiety-ridden self, I'm sweating. I knew it was gonna come in. I'm gonna get it. Was it General Hospital? No, it was another one. It was Days of Our Lives. Days of Our Lives. Days of Our Lives Days of Our Lives. Which one had Luke and Laura? General Hospital. It might have been General Hospital, but I went back and forth. I was addicted to General Hospital. I went back and forth. Thing of Laura. Laugh, don't cry. I know. She'd want it that way. Hey. Oh my God. So cry. So the whole thing was twisted and perverted. But they presented it in a way that was very little twins. Anyway, so anyway, that's what I would do. I'd watch, I'd watch my story in the afternoon and just sit there so nerve, nerve-wracked, like I was gonna get in trouble. But I wore off on you. You finally did bat something bad. I did. And then remember our senior year, we wanted to graduate. At the graduation, we wanted to sing. Oh my gosh. Friends are friends forever. Friends are friends forever. If the Lord's the Lord of them, and a friend will not say never. This is the big drama line. Though it's hard to let you go. In the father's hands, we know. Ready? That a lifetime's not too long. Pause for drama. To live friends. Oh, come on. That was the song. We sang that at our high school graduation in front of thousands of people. And we almost didn't. We almost got kicked by my yes, because my course teacher, the one that I would sit while she was in her office, I was watching stories through the whole time instead of working. Um she wanted to let the 10th graders sing at our graduation. Uh-uh. And you know what we did? We created a list and we made people sign this a petition to let the seniors, and it became such a pain. We got to like 30 names, and she was like, okay, whatever, forget it. Just sing. And we stood our little ground and sang friends are friends forever, sang about Jesus. All those people in front of like 2,000 people. That was a big, a big deal. And my mother sitting there going, I'm just so glad they're graduating. They love Jesus. I can't take it anymore. These two girls almost failed senior year. We did it. We did it. But that's a little bit what being twins is like. Yeah. We were we we've always been strong. Yeah. There has not been a weak twin or a strong twin. We just have different strengths. Yeah. But different strengths for the seasons that we're in. And um, man, we've got stories to tell. I don't think I've ever told my kids the majority of those stories, but that's okay, they're gonna hear it now. They're gonna hear it now. Um don't be shocked. They're not that bad. No, they're pretty good. They're not that bad. Whatever. That's that's rebellion for a Christian kid. No, it's true. There's more, but we don't have to tell it all. Nah. There's nothing else to tell. But look at look at what God has done since then and the doors that God has opened for us, even in our imperfection and goofy kid years. When we were in high school, we had some dreams and aspirations, but did you ever think that where God has taken you if you just reflect back, have you ever did you ever imagine that God would take you to the degree he's taken you, the places you've gone and the success you've had? I hoped, I dreamed it, but it was never thought to the degree that God has done for me that it would happen the way that it's happened. And then to watch now my kids stepping into even greater, that's what's so exciting. But no, no. What about you? No. I mean, I knew I wanted, I wanted to serve God and I wanted to be in ministry. I didn't know how or when or where or what. I had no idea how it was gonna roll out. Um, I I I can't say that I had that big of a vision. I just knew I loved God. Right. And I knew that I could sing and I wanted to sing for the Lord. And I think at that point, however there, whatever the open door was, I would have walked through at that point in my life. And um, man, but now we have so many, so many stories to tell. We do from that graduation. Well, but I think that was an indication of who God made us to be. And I will say, most of my friends in high junior high and high school, and I had them all the way through junior high and high school, they smoked weed and and we I didn't smoke weed, but they did. Right. And I would get upset if they'd get busted because they were my friends. And then we played Dungeons and Dragons in high school. Don't judge me. Not in high school, junior high. Don't judge me. During science class, we played Dungeons and Dragons. So that was my thing. I did not know that. Yes, I played Dungeons and Dragons. That changes so much. I know. Now it's who am I to sit here in the in the seat of judgment in it? And did you deal with the demons, the possession exercise from all that? At some point, yes, there was a some kind of deliverance experience I know I had. Dungeons and Dragons and Dragons, and it was a lot of fun. I didn't know it was. I didn't know you ever played Dungeons and Dragons. I did. I played. I know everything. I know everything. You just forgot it. I played Dungeons and Dragons. And yes, I did. Dear God, and look at what the Lord has done in my life in spite of it. So the God can do that for you. He can do it for anybody. Oh Jesus. Come on, look at you. You come back queen. I know. Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. You do not look like a Dungeons and Dragons. Who was that? Who got you into that? The guy, Peter. Yes. See, you little tricky trickster. I'll just say it was just during science class or after class. I don't remember, but I distinctively remember sitting at a table and playing. But it was just like a goofy fan fantasy game. We're going to get so many comments of people. This is all they're going to care about hearing. But it was uh that that's it. That's all I remember is that I played it. I can't remember. So that was the most rebellious thing you or ungodly thing you ever did. That I'm gonna talk about. Okay, whatever. That we're gonna talk about. Oh, you'll tell my stories. You were so excited to tell my story. Well, they're so much better. Those are better. Yours don't involve devils, just lying. Jesus. My tongue's engine, dragons. Mine, I needed a whole delivery service. Now things are starting to make more sense. Things are making more sense. But anyway, it was just it was a it was just a it was just an innocent little stupid game that I played in junior high. Don't judge me. So, but look, my point was look at where is there a point? I have not heard a point. Go ahead. What's where look at what the Lord has done? So if you're watching this and maybe your kids are going sideways, just hold out hope and keep praying for them. Because God can still do a lot with their lives. Okay, there's our ministry moment. We just had it. We need to sing that song. Look what the Lord has done. Look what is done. Look what is done. Look what the Lord has done. He healed my body. Yes, he did. He touched my mind. Okay, stop. Okay. So, but I would say we're pretty much over time on this one. Are we? Yeah. Oh, we are. But I think the next one we should talk a little bit more about. I don't know, whatever you want to talk about. Leadership. Well, you know, I you got four kids, I got three. We have a lot going on, but I pastor a phenomenal church in Miami. People need to know about that. You pastor a phenomenal church in Orlando, but I did post this on Instagram before we started filming. And I did get a couple of questions. Oh, okay. So let me see what what do the people want to know? What are the people saying? Um let's see. Oh talk about what you love about the current church and what could be better. We don't get to do that today. We're not gonna do that today. No, that's another podcast. It's a great podcast. Um and we got some good podcast name ideas. Oh, really? Uh-huh. I like this. Uh, Mary and Martha podcast. That's one. Um, this is good. I I think I'm slightly offended, but it's okay. Yapin Eminem. At least a minion. Is that from? No, it's my friend Jordan. Oh, okay. Yapin Eminem. Yap and Eminem. Hive mind. I like that one. Um, and she goes, and I'm sure I can think of more. I said, we'll keep them, keep them coming. Anyway, those are just a couple of the ones. People do want to know, though, I think about worship in the church, yeah, um, pastoring churches, how the conditions of the church today. We're gonna talk about leadership. All of it. We're you know what else I want to talk about? Because people need to know, um, from the twin perspective, just the comparison, how we've had to overcome comparison. Yeah, because nobody gets compared more than twins. Than twins. And especially identical twins. Yeah. That'll be the next podcast. Let's do it. So stay tuned for the next one. Hope y'all like this one. The yipping, the yapping MMs. M. I say the the the Eaton MMs. Now I want MMs. Send in your MMs. Thank you for joining us. This was fun. This was a lot of fun. All right, we got more coming. More, a lot more coming. Yeah.