Let's Unpack That: Danielle & Nicole Munizzi Tell All | The Mary & Martha Show

What really happens behind the scenes with the Munizzi family? 

In this episode of The Mary & Martha Show, Danielle and Nicole Munizzi join Aunt Mary for a hilarious and heartfelt conversation about growing up as Martha Munizzi's daughters. From childhood pranks and discipline stories to songwriting, sisterhood, family legacy, and the lessons they've learned from generations of faith-filled women, nothing is off limits.

You'll hear untold stories about life at home, the realities of growing up in ministry, funny family memories, and how Danielle and Nicole are now building their own creative path together through music.

This episode is full of laughter, honesty, and a beautiful reminder that relationships matter more than accomplishments.

✨ Topics covered:
• Growing up with Martha Munizzi
• Family pranks and funny childhood memories
• Songwriting and creativity
• Sisterhood and working together
• Ministry, music, and family legacy
• The importance of putting relationships first

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ABOUT MARY ALESSI AND MARTHA MUNIZZI

Mary Alessi and Martha Munizzi are twin sisters who have both made significant impacts in gospel and Christian music, as well as pastoral ministry, over the last 30 years. 

Born in Lakeland, Florida to evangelists John and Faith Stallings, Mary and Martha grew up in a musical, ministry-focused family and began performing at age eight alongside their older sister Marveline. Their upbringing was deeply rooted in faith and music, traveling the country with their family for concerts and crusades before eventually settling in Orlando at age twelve.

 Ministry and Career Paths
Martha Munizzi is a Grammy-nominated, Stellar and Dove Award-winning singer-songwriter, pastor, and author. Her songs have been shared by millions and she has travelled the world ministering and blessing audiences and churches. She is known for her energetic worship style and her work leading EpicLife Church in Orlando with her husband, Dan Munizzi. Martha has released worship albums, led large church music programs, and recently authored "Because of Who You Are: The Stories Behind My Music," sharing the inspirations behind her songs.

Mary Alessi is also a respected worship leader, songwriter, and pastor. After marrying Steve Alessi, she helped lead Grace Church in Miami and later co-founded Metro Life Church, which has grown to over 1,000 members. Her journey in ministry has been marked by authentic leadership and a focus on worship, with her music ministry stemming from writing for her local congregation before stepping into broader projects—often encouraged by Martha.

Their authenticity and willingness to share both the joys and pains of family life, ministry, and music have made them beloved voices among worshippers and creatives alike.

Transcript

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Well, hello and welcome to another episode of the Merry Martha Show. We are so glad that you tune in to watch two sisters that look just alike, that sound alike, and basically say all the same things. Today, Martha is not with me in the podcast booth, but in her stead. She has her two amazing offspring, her daughters, Danielle and Nicole Munizzi. Hey. Hello. There they are. They are so beautiful. They are so stinking talented. And they are the pride of my sister's lives. Whether they know it or not. They are. And of our lives, all of our lives. So I asked them in Martha's stead, could they come? I keep saying the word stead. Does anybody use that word anymore? Stead. I don't care. Whatever. I think we should use it. It's a good word. It's a good word. I feel smart when you say it to me. It makes me feel like, oh, she thinks I know what it means. Okay, bring back the word steady. Someone write that down in 2026. Yes, the English high T words. Okay, so today we're going to unpack, we're going to uncover, and we're going to expose. Right? Okay. Yes, 100%. It's time. It's time. The people have been asking. I've said wait. It's wait. It's coming. It's coming. And the moment is here. The moment is now. It's time for us to tell our story. It has arrived. Girls, I know this is hard. I know it might get heavy. But what we wanna do is create a safe space for both of you to just share from your hearts. Forget there's a camera, forget there's a microphone. Just talk, share. Let whatever trauma be healed by you sharing your story. So I just want you both, before we start, I just wanna ask you, do you feel safe? Yeah. You know, now that you've said that, I do. I do feel safe. I'm not gonna lie. I needed to hear that. Okay, don't cry. How are you feeling, Danielle? Are you feeling good? It's time. It's time. It's time. Okay, we're ready. Okay. I want you to say as much as you feel comfortable in saying. But here's the first question that I want to pitch to both of you. And either one of you answer, don't feel pressured, don't feel rushed. But on a scale of 1 to 10, how dramatic is your mother? Really? Wow. You said the scale goes to 10. Just 10. 10. Just 10. Just the 10. Okay, 10 being very, very dramatic, I guess, saying dramatic, emotional. Right? Do you want to, like, count to three and say it together. If you either. Yeah. One, two, three. 12. She's dramatic. So that. That's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would. Yeah. So what would people ask? Maybe there's something about your mom that people at church would never believe is true. And I don't want you to hold back. What is something that the people that you know in your life would never believe is true about Martha Munizzi? Hmm. Do you wanna take that one? She's really goofy. Chronically unserious. She's the goofiest goober we know. And it's fun sometimes to watch your family, you know, do something serious. And you're like, I just know how much you were being goofy goober last night. This is just kind of funny. But it's amazing and it's anointed and people are being reached for the gospel. But we were just giggling on the front row. Cause it's just people don't always know. She's got so many sides to her, and one being, you know, a huge. Like, for example. I've got an example, too. For example, she pulled pranks on us as kids. Yes. You know where I'm going with this? Yeah, the pranks. Yeah. We went through a season of pranks when we were really little where we. She thought it was funny because we laughed and it was genuinely funny. We would laugh. So anything that made us laugh, she would do it more and more, and we would do. This might be not. This might not be good for the Internet. Now I'm thinking about this back. Well, Just. There's that one. Well, first of all, she would jump from behind every wall and corner to scare us. Yes. At like, 10 years old, we'd be walking just to go downstairs for breakfast. And she'd be waiting around the corner waiting for us. She would have made the breakfast, had it waiting for us, helped get your uniform on, come downstairs, and you would kind of hear, like, a creaking, and you're like, what is that? Maybe it's a dog. Maybe it's something. And. And then you kind of. You walk downstairs with your backpack, and there was just the corner on the stairwell, and she go, boom. Every single day. Yep. Then it escalated to pantsing each other. Yeah. Can we say that when we were little, it was funny. We all thought it was super funny. She would. So we're just grab. You know, Have I gone too far? Probably. All right. Okay. Other. Other questions. Well, she is. Yeah, she. On that note, she even, like, the other day, she texted us a video she saw Where I think it was like a non believer, like a celebrity who got saved or something like that. And she, like, sent us a video and she's like, crying, whatever. And then in the next breath, she's, like, telling the most dumb joke in the world, like, back to back. It's like, serious to, like. Yeah, well, you know, like, she just doesn't even care. She's just. I don't know, like, there's such a goofiness and a silliness and a lightheartedness to her, and it's only increased as time has gone on. She's only gotten less serious, which is great because it's. It's such a fun example to have, I guess. And we. Yeah, we love that about her. So I will tell you this about your sister. When my family tells me I'm funny, and they'll go, mom, you're so funny. I'll go, aunt Martha is more funny. I say that all the time. If you think I'm funny, Aunt Martha is bonkers. Crazy funny. Yes, but you two together is problematic. Yes. And. But we feel the same. Hilarious, I think. Ridiculous. Yes. And an inspiration to us all. I know. Once those estrogen patches started working. Hey, we got our joy back. We got our joy. Hallelujah. We got our joy back. Maybe I need one. I think I might need one of those. Girl. Get you one. I tried it on. I tried to slap one on Uncle Steve. I know what he does for me. I love that. No, no, your mom is. If there was an award for whoever on Instagram could find the funniest or TikTok the funniest videos, Memes reels. If there was an award for the person that could find the funny, she'd win it. Yep. She. She always beats me. I'll. She will send me a funny reel and I fall off the couch and I try to compete, and I'll send her one. Nothing. Crickets. It was funny. But hers was funny. The bar is high. The bar is so high. Her bunny meter is. It's up there. But even Grandma. This is something else, too, that I. Even recently, I'm like, I have. We have the best grandma ever. Grandma V. Because she was complaining about something. I'm like, grandma's gonna be okay. And she's like, I know, I know. And she kind of started getting funny, and then she started making fun of herself. She's. I don't know why I get like that. It's all good, isn't it? Why. Why are you wearing that? And, like, the tone just shifts. So fast. And she could have really been. She was frustrated about something legitimate. She threw it off so fast and was teasing herself, like, I need this. It keeps you humble. It keeps you young. It keeps you. You know, people love it. It's so endearing to people. It's true. Yeah. I always say I've told the girls and Chris this, and you've probably heard me say this, and your mom, I'm sure, says it. Cause we get it from our mom. The greatest human being on the planet that everybody wants to be around is the one who can laugh at themselves, like, slap their knee, laugh at something that they said or did wrong or fell or tripped or whatever. And it's true because it just shows that you can find the humor even in the goofy stuff you do. And I would definitely say your mom is one of the funniest people. People, you know, they don't know. She was always great at impressions. That's true. That is true. Yeah. Yes. Back in the old days, was it that way growing up for her? Yes. Because she could do, like, Vestal Goodman and the old Southern gospel people. Like, she won't do it for everyone. She would not do it for everyone. But my. Your mom is definitely a talented person with humor, timing, and imitation. She really is. It's weird. She really, really is. It is weird. It's weird. It's almost unfair because I know she has the talent, she has the anointing, and then she has the personality to like, to match, and it's just like. Yeah, it's not. How did this get to a gush fest? I know, I know. Stop. We were supposed to be dumping that trauma. Let's move on. Move on? Trauma? I need to be talking about right now. Yeah. Okay, so what. Where do you want me to go with this? Because I got so many that could really. I mean, from what I understood when your team reached out to us, this was supposed to be like a counseling session. Like, this is going to be something that was going to be. I don't know, you know. Okay. Maybe just something that could help us get some closure. Maybe. Okay, well, let's just jump in there. We need some healing from. From. From the pantsing, from the clowning, and from the jump scares. Guys, I just. First of all, let me say I'm sorry you had to go through that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that help at all? Definitely. It does. You know, with God and a belt, you know, you can really overcome anything. Absolutely. So let's just stay there for a minute. Let's unpack That I think that this is a good question and I want you to think about it. I don't want you to feel like you have to answer right away. The listeners are, they're leaning in because they want to know, but what was your mom's disciplinary tactics? Was she strict? Was she creative with her discipline? Were there switches involved? Switches? Soaps, I think. Belt, I think it depends on which child you're asking. Spatulas. Yeah, I got the soap thing. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, that was a one time. That was a one time thing for me. Yeah. For you. For me. Yes. I was going to say it depends on which kid you're asking that that question is pointed to. Because if you're asking me, you know, I really did more so of like, I was like an onlooker of what was taking place as far as like the discipline that was taking place. I was more so like in the background going, yep, you shouldn't have done it. Yep, I told you. And mainly there was, I will say there was a lot of like bribing and probably a lot of like, you don't get to eat ice cream if you like aren't nice to me. Don't say that. And honestly, she did get pretty creative. I mean, is there like a, another. Is soap creative to you? Soap is creative to me. Please explain, explain to us what was the soap used for? How was it used? What kind of soap? What was it in response to? Sounds, Sounds extreme. Some might say she had a point, okay. Some could say it was necessary and made a difference. Some could say that she was embarrassed in front of her whole kindergarten class. But here's the thing. My mom, we early years, we went to a church school situation and my mom was on staff there and she was teaching. Lord literally knows, I don't know, music, art, something. And I am a mouth. I'm a yap. This is, you know, been a yap a thon of 33 years. I have gotten to where I am through my big fat mouth. So I don't know what I was saying, but I wouldn't stop saying it. And just talking back, talking back. And she said, I'm trying to treat you like the other kids. Please be quiet. I didn't do it, didn't do it, didn't do it. And I must have pushed her to her breaking point. This is one example. Yeah, I'm sure he did push her to her breaking point. And so she took me out of the class and left the class all alone. And I want to say it was kindergarten or something like that. Pre K kindergarten took me down the hall and you know, it was. I remember because it was like in the back of our kids church building. And so she stuck my head in the sink and there's the kids soap coming towards my. I'll never forget it. Here it comes towards my face like, pump, pump. She's like, you're not going to stop talking or saying whatever it is. I'm gonna wash your mouth out with soap. I'll never forget the flavor of that soft soap. It was like summer splash or something like that. Tropical breeze. Tropical breeze. Coconut melon or something like that. As toxic, as toxic as it could be. A fruitful paradise. Fruitful, yes. Full of chemicals. And then she's rinsing it out. I'm crying, oh my God. And I go back there and I'm just sitting in my seat. I'm sitting there. Bubbles, bubbles. Tasting it. Bubble. Every time I talk, there's a bubble coming out my nose. You're yawning and it's a bubble. But then I. I want to say she only had to do that a handful of times, but I could never hold that against her. Knowing. Knowing what she's gone through and the things she had to overcome by birthing us, I think we're even by now. I do think sometimes that Nicole and my mom are like a little bit closer friends than me. I've noticed that. But that's okay. I think she. Maybe she just takes turns on different days. Okay. That I think is true, unfortunately. But it just is what it is. And I think you can probably understand that too, Aunt Mary. Like, you know, sometimes you're like closer with one daughter than the other. You just go through seasons. But we are very alike. Yeah. But I will say as far as like the discipline for me, the, the maddest she ever got at me was when I didn't want to sing and I didn't want to sing on stage with her. I didn't want to follow in her footsteps. I didn't want to like try to learn how to write or lead worship. Learn how to play guitar. I never unfortunately, never really learned piano. I don't think she. I think she kind of probably gave up at that point. She was like, all right, we got you to learn guitar. We got you to learn how to actually sing in front of a person. So it's fine if you don't know piano. But that I think is the. Like, I have the most memories of her being upset about me not wanting to stretch myself in that way. And challenge myself and actually really put myself out there and do the thing I knew I really did wanna do in my heart, which was leading worship. Mom's thing is always just try it. Just try it. You don't know. Don't make an assumption. Just try it. Try the thing, get on the roller coaster. Try the song, Try the opportunity. Give it a chance. Don't just say no out of fear. She has. That's probably been her biggest thing is I don't want my kids to live life afraid. Yeah. So that's been for all the beatings and all the discipline and all of that. It really has. It's come from that place. So, yeah, I will say too. I mean, there were definitely the moments of, like, we didn't do our homework and it was 9 o' clock at night and we didn't get the poster board for the project we had to do the next day. And she would help us. My dad would probably run out and get the poster board. And then my mom was the one gluing the pictures and looking up the definition of thesaurus or whatever. Right. She was figuring out all the little nitty gritty things. That was probably the other, other side of how mad she would get. And then. Yeah, it was basically. So I think what I hear you saying is that it was justified at times. Yes, 100%. At times. times. At times. I have to say this about you both. Both of you were gifts given to your mom and dad, but you came naturally from heaven with extra. You just came with extra. And, you know, somebody was just saying this to me the other. No, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Well, your mom, your poor mother, who did not know what the heck she was doing, okay, had to raise these two girls with all this extra. And I, you know, you look at your lives today and you see what God gave her that she had to manage and raise. And now today, the two of you, all that extra makes sense in your lives because you're both so talented and so creative. And I know your mom would say, if she was here right now, that her ceiling has been your floor. And she's so proud of you both. I know we're going to take a minute to be serious here for a second, but she's so proud of you both. But I will say that we, as moms, we get asked the question all the time, how did you do it? I know she gets asked, how did you do it? How did you raise daughters and a son that are, first of all, so musical, Love God, want to be around you guys love your church, want to serve God. And then, of course, those are just like the basics of your life. On top of that, you're giftedness, your songwriting. I don't know that people know about both of you. Let me just say this, Let me just say this. When it comes to songwriting, there's two ways you can write songs. One, you're born with the gift of songwriting, and you just have the gift. You don't know. You didn't take a class, no one taught you. It was just an instinctive, natural gift. Your mom has that gift. She's always had that gift. And I can prove that by. By naming her songs that she wrote by herself while she was vacuuming or driving in the car. So no collaboration, no other songwriters, no musician songs that God just gave her. Because of who you are, say the name. A lot of those songs that are just so pivotal and powerful, that is nothing. You don't pass that on. You're either born with that or you can learn. And you have a. Maybe you have a little bit more of an inclination to write because you want to, and you're poetic and your brain sort of works that way. But both of you girls, you guys can answer that for yourselves as to who you think maybe between the two of you, was born with that gift, has to work harder at it. I know I was not born with that gift. Your mom was. She got our dad's ability to write. Like, she could not keep the songs from coming if she tried. Yeah. And I would get pieces. I'd call her, I'd call, I'd hear ideas, thoughts, whatever. But she would get just the most incredible thoughts and songs and verses. And she was always the bridge master of you two. Because I don't really know this part about you. Would you say, are you like your mom? Are you not like your mom? What. What is your. The differences? Because it's important to define your differences and the things that are in her likeness. Yeah, I would definitely say. I know for a fact Danielle was born with the gift 100%. She's been writing songs since as long as I can remember. I think maybe like 9, 10, 11 years old. She was writing like, fully completed songs and probably because. Were you homeschooled around that time? I think so. She had a little more of like, you know, a reason to write. I think there was some emo stuff that she was writing because we were, you know, didn't have a lot of friends at the time, but she was just naturally gifted. I have always considered myself A late bloomer in a lot of areas and especially in the songwriting area. And I technically didn't write my first official song. Like, a song that kind of came effortless for me. I didn't write that until I was 17. And so that, to me. And our family is starting very late, which is crazy. Which is. It is crazy. Explain what you mean by that. Explain what you mean by that. I feel like even Stephanie was always writing songs at, like, 13, 14. Like, she was always in her room writing. I think in my mind it's, you know, you and my mom and even grandma and grandpa. Like, they've just been writing since the day they were born. So for me, I would kind of. I think I kind of felt a little bit of that pressure, too, as a kid. And it. When it didn't come natural until 17, I was like, man, I must. I'm going to be behind. Or maybe this isn't. This means I'm not supposed to be a songwriter, or if I don't have the gift, naturally, maybe I won't be able to learn and work on it. And I learned that that's not the case. But I think just the fact that I. My first official song. It's funny because it was about a boy, always. But always, always, always. And then even then, I think after that, like, I didn't really put music out until I was 25, which, again, was, like, starting so late in my mind for some reason. But I. I think. Yeah. That I would say that's definitely more of a. That's something I've had to learn over the years. You've developed it, but you've been really intentional about it. Yeah, I think I. Yeah, I think I was definitely born singing, like, ditties and little things. I. I was also immersed in that. That was my world. Yeah. So as a little baby, I'm in church. I'm. You know, somebody's holding me on the front pew while my parents are running a worship practice rehearsal with my mom's choir and my dad's, you know, the music director, over large bands. So they're working things out. And I'm hearing melodies over and over. I'm hearing songs. I'm hearing all kinds of. Especially my parents when we were little, kind of our church, our childhood church, was a little more. It was pretty trendy and traditional, or it was trendy more than traditional. But my parents were just music junkies, so they brought in these different sounds to our church. So I was about nine, old enough to remember this kind of shift in Worship in our church. And I remember that's when my mom, you know, she'd get home and be like, danny, can you play this thing for me? I have a melody. And they'd kind of sit and plunk it out on some old keyboard and get up. And, you know, they always had a little studio, even if it was like a corner of a room, you know, we're baby toys are all filling up the rest of it. It was just that environment. But at the same time, I do think I. I kind of am. Was born maybe a little in touch with the emotional side to be able to communicate. Yeah. And the reason I say that I. About myself is because I've noticed that that maybe is. That takes more work for other people to give themselves permission to kind of process things through music and song. Because it's very vulnerable. You're expressing something personal to you. Even if you're writing about scripture, if you're writing about a friend or whatever, you're writing about a story, it's through. It comes from you. So it's a very vulnerable feeling to go, hey, I wrote this. What do you guys think? Or, hey, I wrote this. I'm going to release it. And you're just hoping people, you know, treat it the way you know you want them to treat it, which is excitement or meaning or whatever. And I. I was addicted to that. I. That feeling more than I was afraid of that feeling. I was excited to be like, what do you guys think? What do you guys think? I got. I wasn't scared the way I've noticed other people now that I'm, you know, older, writing all the time in different rooms. I'm excited to go, like, no, no, no. Sing that again. And somebody's in the corner going, no, I don't think it's. I don't know. I don't know. And I'm like, no, you're amazing. Sing it again. Like, giving the room permission to do all that. I don't know if this is because I was born in my environment or I was born this way, but I didn't really. I wasn't born needing that permission. And I remember specifically When I was 12, my parents took us to GMA Week, Dove Week. I think they still have this. And I'll never forget, I sat in different sessions. I remember, like, when Matthew west was kind of a nobody, and we went to, like, their. Like a showcase. And I'll never forget this. Cause I was like, this is really cool. This is really fresh and sitting there. And then I sat through Another showcase with like Alex out of Eden and just different CCM legends I'll never forget. I went straight upstairs in the hotel, went to my room, grabbed my mom's next tail, and I just had ideas. And I was just calling my voicemail, sending myself ideas. I don't know where they are. I wish I still had them. I have other things that I'll never forget. That was a moment where I was like this. This feels like I was. This is part of me. And my. Another part of my personality just kind of came to the surface. So 12, I would say, was when that part of my life began. Yeah, I remember that. I remember it feeling like not pressure, but inspiration. When Martha said, you know, Danielle, you were this little, tiny, skinny, tiny child and you were just like in another world of writing, wanting to write. And you know, I do think you're born with a. You might not be born with like, the gift to write is in your brain, but I do think as the oldest and you're born into this world where your parents were so creative and like you said, song junkies, because they were. They set the bar for music. That's what they lived, ate, slept, drank. I mean, they. And that's why they were so successful at it and still are. But when you're the first born, born into that, you just do. You just kind of follow. And you have that gift to naturally follow. Nicole comes along and immediately you start watching, going, could I do that? And your brain is just kind of functions with a sense of a little bit more insecurity towards it because you're trying to compare yourself to it. And I had to fight that with Martha for years because she would write, she would call me in the middle of the day, which was tough because back then for every minute, it was like 20 bucks during the day. I cannot imagine that. It was ridiculous. And we would hide the phone bill from our husband, but after 11 o' clock, you could talk for like 50 cents a minute. But then we're so tired, nobody wants to talk, whatever. But I remember when she called me and she'd just been cleaning you guys house and she goes, I want to sing this for you. Is this good? And she's saying, because of who you are I give you glory because of who you are because of who you are I will lift my voice and say. And I remember going, I'm a loser. That would never come to me. Jehovah Jireh, my provider. And I'm like, what the. My God. I mean, that's like for real. Yeah. And then when she say the name of Jesus, and I'm literally. She sings three lines to me. What do you think? And I'm the one she's singing it for. It's like, pick me up off the floor. Wow. What? And then, of course, you know, the spirit of competition, that's always there. But we just valued. And I see this in the two of you kind of taking our lead because you value your relationship with each other. And the Bible says that one can put a thousand, two can put 10,000. So it's a lot more powerful for you. It's also a lot more beneficial to two of you to work together and to write together and to release music together, which is what you guys have been doing. And you're kind of creating your own genre right now, which is missing from music. Takes a lot of work and a lot of time. Yeah. But the stuff that you guys are writing and putting out right now is just incredible. Talk about that a little bit. Well, first off, thank you so much. It is actually, what you're talking about is. So. We've kind of been talking about this very recently. Even yesterday, we were having a conversation about, you know, writing songs as sisters can be tricky because you can love an idea and then they cannot really love it, and then they can love an idea, and then you cannot really love it. And there's a producer sitting there going, who do I. Who do I Listen to this show. Yes. When there's. Yeah, so, like, we'll just flip a coin sometimes, or it's two against one. And then you're like, all right, if you guys like it, then it's fine. But, yeah, even yesterday, like I said, we were. We were just. Basically, we just finished writing for an album that we are putting out. We've decided to do this album this year really kind of last minute. And we've just been kind of talking about how we. We want to make sure we keep our relationship first and at the forefront. That comes first before you know who's singing what on a song. You know, what. What lyric gets chosen, what melody gets chosen, because we are best friends. And I don't know what I would do without her. And she doesn't know what she would do without me either. She tells me that all the time. It's true. And. But it's true. Like, we've done so much life together. We've gone through literally every season of life together. And so I think in the last year or so, we've just really. I feel like we've gotten Even closer to the older we've gotten. We've learned how to resolve things. Because, you know, with sisters, there are gonna be arguments. There are gonna be things. Absolutely. But, yeah, I think deciding to stay on the same page regardless has brought this whole new level of creativity to our music and a whole level of freedom or where really there's no bad ideas. We're like, yep, yes, yes. Okay. But let's tweak this. Let's tweak that. Because we know, like, our baseline is, you are my sister. You're my only sister, and that matters more than anything else. And that's actually. I feel like it's made it more fun, too. This process has been more fun and more fruitful, and both of mom and aunt Mary have set the bar really high to never really. Even if I can. Like you're saying I can assume there's internal. Like, okay, I would. You know, I want to write songs that xyz, or have a song like xyz. That's a universal feeling, is to get inspired. It's not necessarily, you know, a negative thing. It's important for us to see things and be driven and be excited. And that bar was set very high to see, you know, because you guys aren't even sisters. You're twins. So it's. You know, we marvel sometimes at what that might feel like to constantly be compared to, you know, not as sisters, but actual twins. You look the same and sound the same and have similar families and have similar. All the. All the things. You know, I remember when you guys went to the doves and presented, you know, like, it's a. Oh, yeah, it's a. It's a very. It was a great example for us. And I'll say this. In the last year, less than 12 months, honestly, we have always had it on our. On our list of long goals to do a sister project, and everything fell into place in the last, like, four months for it to happen right now. Y. So I will say from. There's so many things that God is doing, but I, I. I have to give honor where honors do because of Yalls dynamic and the model that the. That you. The example that you are. It just really has made it so much easier because we're not competing because it's. And it's not even about the song. It's not even about the achievement or the accomplishment. It's about being good people that honor God in front of other people so that when we leave the room, what's said is they love God and they treat People. Well, yeah, they're generous, they're whatever the. Whatever honors God in that space. Yeah. And it doesn't matter if the song is life changing or mediocre and no one remembers it. It's. It's that my favorite Maya Angelou quote. Everybody knows. It's. They'll forget what you said, they'll forget what you did, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. That's how we ought to treat people. And you are a great example of that. Grandma, mom, our whole family. And so that has meant more to me than the song. And so exactly like Nicole is saying, when the song comes, you'll feel that joy, you'll hear that unity, because that's genuinely the foundation that's been laid in our family going back several generations. Even Grandma and Grandpa Johnson working together. Him saying, faith, sit down and sit at the piano and play this chord, because I can't play this chord. Well, they've got to be in unity, bossing each other around from keyboard to lyric and put that thing together. And Grandma has said. She said, no, I didn't write. I played chords. And he'd say, no, it's this chord here. And that's, you know, we've seen that in our parents where they're fussing. Dad's side too. Poppy and Grandma are dad's parents who, you know, every. If you can fuss at a keyboard writing a song, you can do anything. If you can stay on the same page and go work through a rehearsal and get all the kinks out, anything is possible. Possible creatively. And so when, if we're, you know, in conflict or have those moments or any, like, I'll say this. I remember I thought of this this morning. I remember you came, I think it was to Megafest or something. And I came and met you. I like let you in a door or something. I might have been like 12 years old. I don't know. You were 12 and it was Aunt Mary's here. And at that point, I was over all of my mom's merch. So I'm like, yeah, no problem. I'll go get her. And like, you were a 12 year old walking across like a 30 year old. No, you were her manager. That was so crazy. So crazy. So I remember. I don't remember this. So I remember I let you inside. I don't remember it is. Or maybe outside. And we're. It's Mega Fest. So it's this giant convention center. Just felt like we were walking for hours. And to get back to where My parents were. And we're walking and I'm noticing people because this was the era where God is here or something like that was really popping off. And that's why she was there to promote one of those songs. And so for people, you know, for, for a, what is it, a convention center full of people. You're walking around with blonde hair, your marine is your darling Sheck. That's all it was. So in my mind, I watched, I watched my mom sign so many autographs for Darlene Shett because she feels bad correcting people that are so excited to meet her. Then I'm walking you through the convention center and they're like, martha, Martha. Many people said, pastor Mary, you know, I want a picture, I want that. But like, at least half of them thought you were her. And I will never forget you signed autographs for her. I sure did. You didn't correct anybody. And my little 12 year old self thought that was so funny. That was so funny to me. But it was really kind of like one of those things where it's like, yeah, we're sisters, you got one of us, you got both of us, you've got either of us. At any point in time, the song, whatever it is, you just are excited to see people's excitement to see either you or your literal twin, your sister. So that's fun and hilarious in and of itself. And that has stayed with me to be proud, to be, excited to. Not because, I mean, not that you would ever do that, but as a 12 year old little girl, that's all my world is, is competition or comparison or jealousy or, you know, I've got the pretty friend. Am I the ugly friend? Am I the, you know, my friend's got all the boyfriends and I've never had a boy look my way. That's not. We're not allowed to date. Yeah, will I ever have a boyfriend? So that's my inner world as a 12 year old little girl is comparison. So that, you know that that model, that example has stuck with me. I have that memory so vivid and it's so funny. But it's an important memory for sure. You know, Danielle, I'm glad you brought that up because there was a few times that I signed for your sister as her and it was just. There's two reasons. Number one, I'm a fan of hers too. I was always a fan. So to think that people thought I was her was like the coolest thing ever. And to be okay with being able to say, pretend like you're Martha like your dad would tell me, just sign it. Just sign it. Because she would get mobbed at the table. So for me, I'm like, okay, I'm so glad I blessed you. You like my song because of who you are. Oh, well, praise God. Sister Lee. What's your name? Oh. So for me, I love that. I just. There was no competition. How silly of me. There was no competition, but I was also a fan, so I took pride in the fact that I got to go back behind the stage and be with her as her sister, and nobody else could come back there but all of us. So that was kind of, you know, a matter of pride for me. I was so proud of her. And there's one of the podcasts we share about the stories when we were both building our careers and the time we were in Atlanta. I won't get into it. You could go back and listen to it. But how we drove up everything that was gonna happen for me, that day fell through. And she's on Sisters in the Spirit, which is one of the times I signed a lot of autographs for her. And your dad was taking my CD and bundling it with her CD package. Of course he was. Of course. So he was selling it like I was her. But anyway, all of that shows you when that happened and my world kind of collapsed that weekend. She rolls up in her bus next to me. We get out, and she goes, you're coming with me. And promoted me. And that set my career in motion for success. So what matters to us is the relational value, not the music value. Because the thing is, songs get out there, they bless people, and then they get old. What we have forever is each other. Yes. Yes. And let me just say this. You, too, are able to do what you're doing right now because you're talented, you're gifted. You're anointed to do what you do. God is putting you in positions in rooms that I'll, you know, be discretionary. We won't give everything away, but there's just doors opening to you both that are just incredible to be even greater of an impact than what your mom or even, you know, you've seen. God has just. Is positioning you. But let me tell you why it's possible. Well, you're surrendered. You're submitted to the Lord. But it's because we started so young, married, having children, because people have asked us, why didn't you do a project together? What? How would we have pulled that off? Kids and husbands, everybody going different directions to sit down and to be Able to do what you do together before marriage and children is a gift from God. So you'll always be able to point back to the season. And once you do get married and you do have children, that does change somewhat. So it's such a gift to both of you that, you know, at times we can be jealous of because what you're able to build together is just so significant and will outlast longer than you could even ever imagine. So it's kind of cool that Martha and I feel like we get to watch you two work together and you get that gift and that experience that we never really got because of our lives were just so different that all of that musical success happened later for us. So it's just a blessing to watch you both be able to do it. Okay, do you wanna say anything else, or do we wanna get back to real talk real quick about your mom? Because I do have questions about what it was like for you growing up. Yeah, well. Okay. Is your mom, when it comes to singing around the house, okay. Is she annoying? Yes. Yes. Okay. But I get it from her, so to be honest, do you critique her singing like, mom, please stop. That's too much? I don't sometimes. But, no, not really. We try to her house. We let her do her thing. Yeah. She pays the bills here, so, you know, we just go back to our house. Yeah, we'll go to our house for the quiet. Okay. What's the most extra thing she's ever done musically, either at home? I have one, but I want to see what y' all think either at home or on a project or an idea she thought was great. What. What is the most extra thing that she's ever done? Like that musically, that you were like. Good question. Is she nuts? Probably. On no Limits, Jesus is the best thing the reggae song. That was the best song. The rap. Yes. Okay, are we ready? The best thing he makes me want to sing Glorify his name over to the king Sing second round and knock the devil out I don't remember all the words he saved me he raised me Jesus never left me Thinking of his goodness Exactly. I think of his goodness and all he was something me a shot Hallelujah they got to sa me. He keeps busy Declaring to the enemy Declaring to the enemy Declaring to the enemy Jesus is the best thing There you go. I love that. Oh, my gosh. That is probably the craziest thing. Yeah. There was another rap on a later album that all friends and family got together and were like, we're not. You're not rapping. We're gonna. We're gonna not do this. Oh, was she gonna rap? Make it loud. She was gonna rap. She was like, I can literally do anything I want. What? Who said I can't? Like, you're 100% right. It. Should we be doing this? Yes. I think she got another rapper to come in. I think she got confused with Eminem. Mary and Martha Eminem. Correct. Correct. No. Pull it back. Blonde. Too much. No. Her band was from Detroit. She was, like, feeling good. Let's just go for it. That's what it was. The Detroit. Yeah. She worked. She's just fearless in that way. She worked with Fred Hammond one time. One time, yeah. No. So when I heard that. When I heard. She called me and said, listen to this rap. I'm like, what are we talking about? What are we doing here? Because I'm doing it. Martha Munizzi. He keeps the devil busy, busy. That guy later has exploded. Yes. Chambers, we love him. Shout out to him on a Bruno Mars song. He's killing it. Doing amazing. And he's Mr. Longtime Family Friend. He's Mr. Talkback. We love him. Talk Box. Talk Box. Mr. Talk Box. Not talk back. That's us. We're the talk bag. Yes. No, no. But that turned out to be kind of cool. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. But it was extra. People love that song. It was extra. But people love that song. We had the craziest T shirts for that song, and we were traveling to the islands a lot. We were traveling overseas a lot. Where. When that. You just. It was infectious, that sound, that global world sound. And so she'd come back and go, I need songs for when I go overseas. Yeah. So we're all going. Does this make sense? And she's like, overseas. This. This rocks the room. So trust me. We're like, okay. And she was right. She was right. But there's definitely a lot of extra things that she has done. I think every album, she. I feel like, has kind of topped herself in some way with bringing, like, either a random guest artist that you're like, okay, and it works out and ends up being amazing, or just, you know, things like that where you're like, this is a lot. But she has a vision, she has a dream, and. And she goes for it, and it always ends up being better than you ever expect it to be, which is crazy. I say this. Nobody can talk you up. Like, your mom. Your mom can talk you up, get you going. She should have been, like, in boxing and been the coach in the ring. With the fighter to tell you to get back out there. You can do it. That's her. That would be. That is absolutely, totally her gift. Yes. That's 100%. Okay, we only have a few seconds left. I do know her girl. She is my twin sister, but whatever. Okay, that's true. But this is. This is. I want you to be honest here. Okay? As we close out this podcast, I have a couple of. Just a quick round of me versus your mom. Okay? You ready? Oh, and I want. I want this settled right now for all of our podcast audience. Are you ready? I think just close your eyes and answer. Who is more fun, me or your mom? Both. No, both. Both. Sometimes you. 50. 50. 50. Because when we weren't allowed to have soda growing up, when we would hang out with you, you would let us have soda. See? Thank you. Responsible for some of the cavities, but that's your mom's problem. Okay, who's more intense, me or your mom? Ooh, that's a good question. Am I closing my eyes? You're both intense in your own way. I think. Yeah, she might get more. You're more direct. Yes, for sure. Yeah, I think I'm more intense direct. I think watching the podcast back, I'm like, girl, change your face. I'm way more intense. Okay, how about this? Who gives better advice? Oh, no, that's hard. You've given me amazing advice in my life. I did. Like, a few months ago. You gave us great advice. Yes, always. Okay. Yeah. That's so hard. You know, Chad, GPT wrote these questions. They don't. He doesn't know who the heck who's talking about. This is a stupid. Who do you go to when you're in trouble? You go to your mom. You go to Jesus. Jesus, the holy spirit. Okay, okay. Who's. Who's more likely to say pray about it versus actually giving you a real answer, Me or your mom? You give real answers? Yeah, you definitely give real answers. My mom would say, pray about it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You're like, no, you can. You can do something about it. And she's just like, I'm done with y'. All. Go pray about it. Leave me alone. Right? I want to watch my show. She's like, Yeah, you know your mom. Oh, God, this has been awesome. I'm done. My paper's all finished. You guys are there. This has been so much fun. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Good luck with all that you're doing. We're praying for you. We cannot wait to promote it and hear it and get it out there. It's going to be awesome. And, guys, thank you. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the Mary Martha Show. We love you girls. I love you so much. Thank you. Have a great day. Thank you for having us. Bye.