Film: To All the Boys I've Loved Before (2018)

Welcome back to Teenage Dreams & Movie Scenes! The podcast where we discuss our favorites Young Adult novels and the movies (& TV shows) based on them! This week we're diving feet first into the world of fake dating, love letters and making out in hot tubs on the school ski trip. Come along with us as we discover how taking a risk might just help you find everything you're looking for!

Based on To All the Boys I Loved Before (To All the Boys I Loved Before #1) by Jenny Han, Pub. 2014

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Texted Laura yesterday while I was watching the movie and I said prepping and it was a picture of me watching it, and then Phil was doing the like dad stance of just standing up and watching it with his hands on his hands that he's not watching it.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Yeah, he was like, I'm working out, and he was just watching. He's like, I'm not interested in this. Um, he's seen it before. I've we've watched it before. He's like, Oh, I think I remember this. So, like, I'm not I'm not one with one of those guys who's like, I don't like romance movies. Guys, come on, no, no. Guys love romance movies, I just don't want to admit it. Yeah, well, anyway, I texted Laura, our guest. Oh, wait, intro Laura. Well, we we haven't we haven't introduced the podcast at all, so let's do that real quick. See a couple of steps what Ali means, we get off on tangents, but uh welcome back to Teenage Dreams and Movie Scenes, a podcast where we discuss young adult book adaptations. But more than anything, we kind of just discuss the pit. We do discuss the pit. This has become a the pit podcast. Thank you. Thank you very much. Which is extra HPF should sponsor you. But talking about the pit is extra bad because by the time all of our episodes come out, like the pit will be over. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, like by the time this comes out, it the season will be over. The season will be done. Well, at least you're not spoiling anybody. You're right. See, there you go. And Katie, we can't talk about the pit today because Laura is super behind in the pit. So behind. I will okay, I'm not gonna say anything. Oh my god. Okay, you are you are behind then, yeah, because the last episode was 4 p.m. The only thing that I will say is that when I went to go see the movie last night, they showed a movie poster uh for Ready or Not 2 Here I Come, and Sean Haddis was in the movie poster, and I was like, Oh, love of my life. We love we love Dr. Abbott. Just kind of an Abbott pod more than anything. Yeah, I think it's a Dr. Abbott Stan podcast. It is, it is. Yes, I've not well I haven't seen him since season one, so oh girl, he's coming back. He comes back in. He is season, he's there. He knows he knows how to make an entrance. Yeah, he does. Um, but anyway, we're not here to talk about Dr. Abbott as much as I wish we were. Oh man. What are what are we here to talk about, Katie? I would love to tell you. Thank you. We are here to talk about we're starting another franchise, new franchise. We have three movies to talk about in this one. It is to all the boys I love before. Oh, do we? Yeah, we're doing all three. No, no, we're doing we're doing well, not all three today. No, we're doing like first of yeah, yeah, oh, okay. Sorry, I scared our guest. I literally got so scared. I was like, I only re-watched the worst one, and okay, intro to our guest today. Here we have finally, I have one friend, guys, and this is her, my former roommate Laura, who is joining us from across the pond in London, which we were, yeah. She's in London, guys. This podcast is international, global. We're hitting all the demographics the whole sensation. You know, it actually might be. I should check where people are listening to this from. It could be it could already be international, but now it's especially going to be here, so it has to be. I texted Laura yesterday saying, I'm gonna watch, like, I'm I'm watching.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Are you ready? And she said, Yeah, look, I took notes and everything and sent me a screenshot of her notes.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

And I only saw the first line, which was something about Jenny Han. And the title of it, which was summer I turned pretty notes. It was it was T-S-I-T-P. And I was like, Oh, honey. And I was like, cancel your plans. That's not right. And I it was uh it's it was my mistake. I just weirdly wrote The Summer I Turn Pretty, but I did watch T-A-B-L-I-B. Perfect. I mean, yeah, I mean, who doesn't love a Jenny Han adaptation? I was I'm obsessed with the summer I turn pretty. I I hope you guys are doing it too. Ali, have you? Yes, we are. I have watched Conrad Girl all day, every day. I watched one episode of the most recent season with my sister, and then I like also watched another another random one. I know that I hate Jeremiah, and I know that of course I know you do. I'm glad that you picked that up immediately. They're casting the movie. They're casting the movie. Yeah, they're doing they're doing the movie right now. They're doing the movie in like the springtime. Yeah, and I think I think Belly's grandmother is gonna show up because they're casting for an old Asian movie. Oh okay, Laura. Oh, I know this. I don't know. We need speaking, we need look at all this Asian representation. Okay, Allie. So since you did the deep dive, I did our Miss Jenny Han. Would you like to take us through that? Oh my god, I would absolutely love to. So um, yeah, this book is to all the boys. Oh my god, this my mouse isn't working, and I'm really irritated.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Um today we're talking about, like I've said, All the boys of love before, which was a book that came out in 2014.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Um, we all say how old we were. Yeah, we do we do like to say how old we were so that I can shame Katie for being old. Thank you for that reaction. Doesn't Katie look how old do you think Katie looks? Katie, you look 12. Thank you so much. In the most complimentary way ever. I hope somebody tells me that I look 12. You do look 12. You do look 12. I think we're all 12. Honestly, we are all very young looking people.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Thank you. Um, as a white woman who's getting her first wrinkles, I really appreciate hearing that.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Oh my god, girl, I got my first grades a couple years ago. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Yes, okay. So I'm so confused on how old I am. Should I tell you how old I am? Correct. In 2014 or now? In 20 oh in 2014, if you want to do the math, I was 23. Yeah, make her do the math. Do the math, Laura. Don't worry, none of us are mathematicians. No, hold on.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

We are all hashtag women in humanities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

You're 33. I'm I'm 35. See close, close. Oh my god, my future. I hope my future is looking bright as yours is. Thank you. It's a melanin. I like to think so too. And Ellie's like, oh, I have to go lather myself in sunscreen. I'm like, yeah, I'm really happy for you guys. Yeah, Ellie's like, I'm not even yet 30 and I have wrinkles. I am not even 30 yet. I'm the youngest one here. I'm a child. You'll be fine. Oh my god, okay. Wait, so how old are you, Lauren? 2014. 2014, I was 18 because I just graduated high school. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I gra I graduated college the year before. So crazy.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah. Allie, how old were you? I was 15. Crazy. I was 15. I was 15. I was a little girl. I was a little girl. I was the ripe age for this movie. I had maybe had my learner's permit at most. Right. Yeah. Were you did you do you have to be 15 and a half? Because you had to be 15 and a half in Wisconsin to get your learner's permit. You had to be 15 and nine months. Interesting. Yeah. That's weird. I know. That's really strange. I think I was fifth, I think 15 was the age of Connecticut. Oh. Hmm. So you see how we get off topic like this? Yes, I know. I don't know. I was gonna try and help Steve. Or it's the only only like you know, a disservice to me who edits our podcast. Yeah, it really just so funny. I will keep the good ones in. I would love to see the hear the final cut. There's been some good snippets already. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

It's because we're all like me and Katie, and then now Laura, like are all just like good friends.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

So it's like we just Oh my god, Laura and I are already friends. Like, come on. If you're ever in if you ever want to visit London, please let me know. As someone who has visited Laura in London, she does have phenomenal itineraries. Oh my god, Allie, we should go. Okay, let's do it. Oh my god, that'd be I just renewed my passport. This is perfect. Okay, let's go. I have zero dollars, but down. Let's go. Same, same, same. I'm already spending all my money on Laura's birthday trip this year. Oh my god, because she's such a good friend. I am a phenomenal friend. A really, really great friend. Anyway. Sorry, anyway. 2014. 2014. 2014. What was happening in 2014? This book was scarves. Ooh, what was what was like what was the current events of 2014? Yeah, what was like the pop scarcture of 2014? Okay, let's look. Current events of 2014. I'm locking in infinity scarves. Um guys, it was the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge. What? It was also get wait, guys. It was Ellen's viral Oscar Selfie. Oh my god. That really was like shoehorned into popcorn and we all just bought into it. Crazy. Do you want to know what popped up for me though? The first thing was the rise of ISIS. Oh I don't want to. I don't like your internet. No, I don't like it either. Mine is telling me just about like disasters and health crises. Oh, uh, we need pop culture. What Hunger Games movie came out in 2014? That's a good question. Did you prep Laura for how we're gonna be talking about Hunger Games? I don't need to because Laura knows me so well. Yes, Laura knows that I'm inevitably talking about Peter Mullark in every conversation.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

And here she is, swooping sneaking it in.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

We talk about Peter Mullark in every single podcast, and we'll get to how we shoehorn head. Um Mocking J Part 1 came out in 2013.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

I think Mocking J Part One, um Taylor Swift's 1989, and just mug shot. I don't care about the mugshot, I don't care about the muck shot. No, yeah, I forgot. That was a good year. That was the the Adele Museum. Oh, it was also I think it was also Beyoncé and Jay. Oh, sorry, Solange and Jay-Z elevator fight. Yes, oh my god, take me back. Very iconic year, actually. Really good sister, let's be honest. Take me back. Okay, so you know, and all about that base. Wow, and it was called in our stars, which we are also doing. Okay, this is a really beautiful year, and the iPhone 6. My first iPhone, actually. So oh, with the rise of Snapchat, fine, and Kim Kardashian's app. She had an app. I well, I remember that app. What was it about? Did it have like her sex tape on it?

SPEAKER_02 11:56

It was just like a story game. Like it'd be like come to Malibu to like work at my boutique, and then like that's what you would do.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

That's weird. Um, it was kind of fun, but it was definitely like a money laundering scheme. Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't put it past them. I also think she might have gotten married to Kanye West in 2014. That sounds right, yeah. So big year, that is a big year, including the publication of To All the Boys A Love Before. Correct. Yeah. Um wait, sorry. Now that we're just connected, we've talked about the Summer I Twin Pretty. Did the Summer I Twin Pretty was that published before? Yes, it was. Oh so um Jenny Han she wrote her first novel, Shug. Oh, I think that's how you say in college, and then her next work, I believe like immediately after college, was the Summer I Turn Pretty trilogy. Love guys, I am now pretty. I must write about it. Yeah, correct. But glow up in college. I love that for her. Yeah, okay. Wait, okay. Let me do the book synopsis via Goodreads. We always do that. Okay. Okay, love the Guinness Cup that you have, Laura. You're so British. So British I'm so British, I stole this from the pub. Oh my god. I love that. I would never pay for this, please. Oh my god, we we're gonna have so much fun when we come visit. Laura, you will. You will. Okay, synopsis.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

To all the boys I've loved before is a story of Laura Jean, who has never openly admitted her crushes, but instead wrote each boy a letter about how she felt, sealed it, and hid it in a box under her bed.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

But one day, Laura Jean discovers that somehow her secret box of letters has been mailed, causing all her crushes from her past to confront her about the letters. Her first kiss, the boy from summer camp, even her sister's ex-boyfriend, Josh. As she learns to deal with her past loves face to face, Laura Jean discovers that something good may come out of all those letters after all. Love. I said the word letter. A letter. Letter. Did it start to lose meaning after? Yeah. Yeah, it did. It really did. Import important question before you continue, Allie. Did either of you guys write your crushes letters and not mail them? Or did you mail them? Did you write them notes? Was it was it like a were you passing notes in school and that it did say, do you like me? Yes or no? No, but instead I did receive one. I remember I received one and it was a perfect couple. That that happened that happened to my friend. Yeah, it was we were in sixth grade. We were in seventh, and my friend's note said it's over, we're done. Bye. No, that's harsh. That's really harsh because I remember mine, and it was he did the it's not you, it's me. Oh already in sixth grade, he already knew that line. That's nice of him.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, I received one in my locker in seventh grade that just said, I like you.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

He was a friend, so I still like don't totally know.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Oh, it was a I like took it to all my friends, and then we just basically did like handwriting analysis because there were some, there was like a few boys that I like wish that it had been from.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

And I was like, Do we think this is like Allie?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Wait, what imagine if it was Phil? Crazy. That would be crazy. Phil did not know that I existed on this planet until the year 2021, so it was not from him. I that would be so cute. I I'm like 985% sure it was from the boy whose locker was next to me, whose name I will not say on this podcast. But umxing. No, I mean he was a nice guy. Like, I he I hope he's well. I don't know where he is in life now, but I hope he's doing well. Um, but he was just like, I didn't really like him. Like, I really I wanted it to be one of the like cool guys who I did like, and I don't think it was, but we still to the to this day, I'm like not totally sure. That's adorable. Um, follow-up question. Similar to how Laura Jean has a love story with the boy she had a crush on in seventh grade. Do you guys think that you could have a fulfilling love story as an adult with whoever you had a crush on in seventh grade? Absolutely not. No, no, absolutely not. Also, probably fiction for a reason, at least. Yeah, especially, yes, my seventh grade crush, I'm pretty sure he's married now. Okay, that's not we're not no, we're talking about like a hypothetical. No, I'm also, I think my seventh grade crush is also in a relationship, uh yeah. And my high school is who I were I was in love with them. They are also both married. It's crazy. It never would have happened, never would have worked out. No, you guys are getting way too logical with this question. Also, you're like, you're you're like marriages don't always like married. I I don't think it would have worked out emotionally either. Oh, yeah. I mean that's the answer I want. I don't know how he's married. I want like, no, he's a Republican. No, he's oh yeah, yeah. He never grew past five foot five. Like, these are the issues that I want. No, he's into like you know, shooting guns, you know, like hunting. Like, no, no, no, oh no. And I knew that at the time too, but you know, I was a teen. Yeah, I think he was just too he had a lot of anger issues. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, yeah. One of the guys though was like one of like my best friends, so that could have been complicated. Oh and I haven't talked to him since high school. So I don't know. That's a that's a story, that's a book, that's a novel. It is a book, there's something there. Um, it is wasn't it um seven days in June, seven days nights in June. What the hell are you talking about? That was a book, uh, and it was they were like um high school friends, and then they like reconnected? Reconnected. Wasn't it seven days in June? It was a really good book. I don't know. Did they reconnect at the high school reunion? I'll figure, I'll I'll send you to synopsis of it. Great, please, thank you. Like, now you guys are now that you guys are friends. Now that we're friends, yeah, exactly. Thank you. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

All right. Um, keeping on topic.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Yeah, so tell us about Jenny Han. I'm gonna tell you about Jenny Han. Please actually do tell us about Jenny Han. I would love to know more about her, other than she, like, you know, cameos in her stuff, which I love.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Um, to be honest, it was really hard to find out stuff about Jenny Hahn because she is so famous now in like a weird way.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

She's so like publicist first information. Whereas every other author that I've done a deep dive on are these just like beloved 90s authors who have like a website that hasn't been updated since 2003, and have like a 10-paragraph self-written biography that goes into like this is when I started writing, this is how I met my partner, this is how Jenny Han does not have that. Her about section on her website is maybe 30 characters long. Jenny, as I call her, she's my friend, um grew up in Richmond, Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Oh, DM VR.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Um, she's a Virgo, which I'm putting this on this character, so is fucking Margot. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's not based in can I don't think we know that girl's birthday, but that is the most Virgo character I've ever seen. 100%. Yeah, I think I'm I think I'm a Virgo moon, I believe. Yeah, Capricorn Sun, Virgo Moon. Laura, Katie, and I have almost exactly the same birthday. January. Yeah. January. January. He's fifth, I'm seventh. We saved room for the insurrection. We did. Our parents knew. They knew. They knew. Some people say wait, are you a cancer rising then too? No, I'm a cancer rising. I'm a Scorpio rising, which is why I'm such a nightmare. I wasn't gonna say I'm glad you're a nightmare. You're a nightmare. Okay, Gemini. Are you a double Gemini? Gemini, Sun, Leo, moon, Leo rising. Oh wow, you're a double Leo. So accurate. And I am actually so surprised and jealous that I don't have any Virgo in me. Because I think I would. And I don't. I just don't. I'm just fire and air. Which yeah, I'm no, that's what's not. Yeah, Earth sign, Earth sign all the way. Yeah, or we and I'm the earth, I'm bringing you down to Earth. You're just needing a monster. I need you both. Uh absolutely, yeah, which makes sense. Anytime I watched Avatar Last Airbender, I was related more so to the Earth Benders, and I was like, there you go. Perfect. I just can't relate to Aang, you know? Aang's a little goofy boy. And he's just On his shoulders, you don't want those. I don't want, I didn't want it at all. Although it would be really fun to fly around in a little ball of air. That would be fun. But the thing is, I'm afraid of heights. Oh, so then you wouldn't. I don't like it at all. You guys are bonding way too much. Your friendship is about to leave me in the dust, and I'm feeling very insufficient. Like, I don't like this, and I do not approve. I don't approve. Had I known, I never would have let Laura on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Okay, sorry, go back. Go back. I am the uniting force here.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

You're right, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Sorry. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Leave room for me. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

No.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Jenny Han went to UNC Chapel Hill.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Smarty Pants.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Um, like I said, she wrote a first novel in college, and she was a librarian. Which we love. Yeah. Teachers of librarians. Her books have been published in more than 30 languages.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Um, she earned her MFA uh in creative writing at the new school. I went to the new school. I love that. Yeah. And she lives in Brooklyn. Did she? She lives in Brooklyn. That is what a website told me. A website. I've never seen her, so I don't believe not her website. Not her website. Katie, you know she lives in like Borham Hill or something. Oh, absolutely, which I don't go to, Brooklyn. Or Brooklyn Heights. Or Brooklyn Heights. Brooklyn Heights is nice. I do love Brooklyn Heights. She has Amazon and Netflix money. So yeah, good for her. Good for her. She's a gorgeous apartment in Brooklyn Heights. I'm very happy for her. I hope so. And I would love to see it. I would love to see it. Yeah. Um take Jenny on architectural digest tour when. Because actually, I bet that apartment is beautiful. Because I wrote in my notes, I love Laura Jean's bedroom forever, forever, forever. The war behind her bed. Oh my god. Laura Jean has the best teen bedroom in a movie, maybe ever. That is so dirty. It's the cutest bedroom. It is so cute. It is beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

The like aesthetic of this movie, the uh coloring is so good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

And shout out to Jenny Han because she um the like way she was involved in this movie, she from what I can gather, like didn't write the script or wasn't really like in it as much as she is in The Summer I Turn Pretty. Um, but she was making a lot of mood boards um to acquaint them with Laura Jean's aesthetic, like her bedroom. I did mood boards for her sense of fashion, her style, Pinterest boards. Um so I feel like a lot of that is very um attributed to her. Yeah, she's also known for specifically I learned this from The Summer I Turned Pretty, but she did it for this movie too. Of like the phone background photos. Like she always wants all of her like cast members to take their own photos. So, like so of them like asleep together, someone like on set took that photo of them. Yeah, so cute. Shout out to Alana Condor's then boyfriend, now husband, because people wanted her and Noah Sentaneo together so hard, so bad.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

And I remember when it came out that that photo of them in her phone background was like real from them sleeping together on set.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

That sounds awful, but when like just snapping together, and people are like, Oh, that man is dust, like she's gonna end up with Noah Sentaneous, and now Noah Sentaneo is like I don't even know where he is, but he's not like I feel like actually I was reflecting a lot, I was reflecting back on my rewatch because this was 2018. Yes, the movie comes it was a pop culture phenomenon. Phenomenon. Like I I remember it was summer Friday, and I was I watched it on my my train back home because I was living with my parents because it was my first year out of university. Oh I was I was like locked in on the train back. It was my first year out of university. What the hell is university? We go to college here in America. I like how you're like keep going, and both Katie and I are just like university. Like we were I could tell Allie was about to make fun of you, but we're going to because we're friends now. That's why I didn't. You're American. I'm sorry. Uh you want to run. I know we all want to run, Laura. It was my first year out of college. Um first year out of college. I was locked in on my phone on the train and back home. And I what I was obsessed. I was like, this is this is life-changing stuff. It actually was. I also feel like it was one of the first times that like people started shipping people in real life, like in fan culture. Oh, of like just like two characters, then they also then like shipped them as like the actors playing them. Yeah. This is where I was sorry, this is where I was relating it back to Ali's story. But I think this was it from my memory, the one of the first times that people were like, no, they need to date versus just like wanting the characters to be together. Yeah. Yes. Is that true, or is that just like I don't know, or maybe reverse awareness of it, or maybe it was because social media had expanded at that point in 2018. Yeah. That like there was what what was in 2018? Like Instagram, Twitter, Pumbler. Yeah. Oh my god. Tumblr. Yeah. Tumblr. And I just remember everyone was like, they need to be together. Yeah. Yeah. It was, they worshipped hardcore. Hardcore. And also, I think he and Peter Kavinsky, or like Noah Centaneo, was one of the first examples of the internet's boyfriend. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Like that was he was the the one of the pioneers. Yeah. Exactly. White boy of the monks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I remember, yeah, one of our early episodes that we just did, we were talking about Percy Jackson, and I was like, Logan Lerman was like the first internet boyfriend before the internet boyfriend. Right. He was like Noah was like, I think you're right. I think he was the actual like pioneer of it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Life-changing stuff, guys. Right. Life changing stuff. Truly. I I just remember everyone was obsessed with the aesthetic of the aesthetics of this movie. I actually, if you go back and like my Venmo history, which you guys can do because you're my friends, but no one else can. Um my bunch of my college roommates and I just like bought shit ton amount of scrunchies, just like this movie. Very cute. And for some reason, like all of my Venmo history from like 2018 with my roommates is all themed around this movie.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Like it was all we talked about.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Oh my god, that's hilarious. It I mean, yeah, it's so Etsy, like Etsy. It should have been sponsored by Etsy if it wasn't already. It should have been. Yeah. Um this book was optioned for a screen adaptation within weeks of being published. Fun fact. Wow. Um, but it took a while to come into fruition because so many production companies wanted to make Laura Jean white. Oh, yep. Slap. Yeah. Because technically these books were written with white people in mind. I was just about to ask it. I was about to ask. Was Laura Jean not Asian in the books? No. Are you serious? I know I know that Belly is Asian in the summer I turn pretty. Belly was also white in the books. Was she? Yes. Wait, wait, wait. I thought Belly was Asian, but I guess that would make sense if that came out first. Yes. No, if you see the original cover of The Summer I Turn Pretty, it is a white woman with dark hair. With dark hair, yeah. I straight up do not believe you because supposedly in the book there is a scene where Laura Jean dresses up as Cho Chang. I really hope she's not white. And if a white woman dressed up as Cho Cheng is Lara Jean. Lara. Hello Jean. I swear to you in the books. I don't believe you. I think there is definitely a case. Oh, okay. She is written as biracial. Oh green and half-white. But I think you're right though. She one of her characters, and it must be the samurai turn pretty, like Belly is white. Is the summary turn pretty. Yeah, let's look at that. Laura, you're a terrible guest. You're fucking. I'm sorry. I always thought that both all of her characters were were. But you know what? But because the summary turned pretty was published in 2009 or something like that, that makes sense that like she was writing white people. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. I don't think she felt, I don't think she should have had to, but she probably was like, probably felt like well, yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean Laura Jean was white. Sorry, biracial. No, Laura Jean is biracial. I'm glad she was biracial in the books. That's good. Yeah. Let me open up. Oh my god, I took so many notes. Wow. For you. A lot of notes. I took a lot of sounds. So prepared. Um Lana Condor, however, is a fully 100% Vietnamese. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

None of the women in this movie who play half Korean women are Korean.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Um what is Janelle Parrish from Purilla? I do believe she's Chinese. I'm so excited for the new season of XO Kitty. I am so Minho Minho every day. Whatever. Anyway, I know we're not talking about that though. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

No, another another Laura memory of mine is when I visited her and visited her in London a year ago. It was when the last season of Exo Kitty was premiering, and we were in our shared bed in Cambridge, where we took a little overnight trip.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

And it was right before everyone thought that TikTok was going to be sold in the US. So we were going to lose TikTok. And I thought I wasn't going to be affected by it because I was abroad, but then I found out that I was. I was just like, I need to watch this again. I was just on TikTok for like five hours. I'm in my own headphone world being like, and that's friendship. That's love. We were like, I love you, and we've had so much fun today. We're gonna lock it up. We're gonna loan together. I love that. Yeah, yeah. But exo kitty Laura Jean is back. She is. Laura Jean's back. I I loved that the first person to make a cameo was Peter Kavinsky. Was it not Margot? I think it was Peter. I think Peter showed up before Margo. Oh, was Margot also in it? I didn't realize she was, yeah, yeah. I think Peter was there first. I could be wrong. You know what? Let's talk about Margot. Can we talk about Margot? Yes. Do we have anything else about Jenny? Are we or um okay? Let me just do some quick trivia.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Um, Jenny Hahn as famous, a famous Jenny Han move. She made a cameo in the Homecoming Flashback, which by the way was Titanic themed.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yes. And also they were all just like dancing through, no one was grinding, so it was very unrealistic.

unknown 34:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

That is not what homecoming is like. Yeah. Um, and then book versus movie differences. I said Laura Jean dresses up as Cho Chang and Peter dresses up as Spider-Man. There's apparently like a Halloween scene that was cut. Also, apparently, the book takes place in Virginia. It did. I think it's they moved it to Oregon so they could film in Vancouver. Um, shout out Vancouver. I love Vancouver. It was gorgeous, actually. It was a beautiful, beautiful. I was watching it, I haven't watched it in years, and I was watching it, I was like, oh, this was totally filmed in Vancouver. Yeah, absolutely. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Um beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

And then um, also Kitty in the book sends the letters because she's mad at Laura Jean, not because she's like, You're a loser, I need to help you. Oh, kitty legit thinks that her older sister is a big fat loser.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Kitty is like, yeah, such a little sister. I remember being I remember being that little sister being like, You're home on a Saturday night.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Loser! Loser.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

You're 17 and you don't have a boyfriend. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

I'm 11 and I canceled the plan. I was like, what? Where are you going at 11? Meanwhile, Flash Orch when I was 17, and I was like, I can't believe you're so mean to my sisters for not having a boyfriend and not going out. Meanwhile, I'm like so depressed. You're like, I am also not. I am also But you didn't have a little sister to call you out. So it's fine. It's fine. Oh kitty. Um kitty. Apparently, Chris is like a way worse friend in the book. I don't know if that's true. She's just like really flaky. Wait, oh Chris. Okay. I was like, who? Um, I can't. There is no sex tape in the book. Weird. I don't know if that's true. I just read that it was like the reason they broke up was because he went to Jen's room instead of the sex. I don't know. I also instead of having sex in the hot tub, he would have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

I do have to wait, speak just on that topic. One of my notes is I do have to read the line.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

An anonymously emailed Instagram to get them to take the video down under child pornography laws.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Just the way that that was delivered. I love how she delivered that video by Gaffod. Perhaps the only rom-com ever to have the words child pornography. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

And just as it's so story-based, into child pornography laws.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

What? Yeah, yeah, I'd be like, Margot just got them all the sex tape, all she got it all down because there was children in it. And pornography. She got instrument. We take it down. End of sentence. Don't talk about child pornography in this rom-com, please. Yeah, let's not talk about that. It just really ruins the thought. It really ruins the thought. Yeah, that's why I do appreciate that before that Loregie was like, I made a sex tape, I never even had sex. I'm like, thank you. Yeah, that was funny. Very funny. My other, my other favorite line line read was it's on my notes. It was spin the bottle, you psycho, and it was tongueless. Oh my god.

unknown 37:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

That scene with her and Jen in the bathroom is so weird to me. It's weirdly filmed. Everyone sounds strange. Every yeah, they definitely Jen is wearing the worst outfit imaginable. Her her shirt was like to her knees. It was yes, it was like down to the knees.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

That was definitely like 2012, not 2018. That shirt.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yeah, when you wore those long tight shirts, no. My other note of this movie was that I loved verbatim. I loved that the mean girl is basic as fuck and not glamorous. She had a choker like it was 2016. Yeah, her and her ug boots. Her ug boots, I'm surprised she didn't have a chunky belt over that sweater she was wearing. Okay, it was 2018. Why would she be wearing a chunky belt? She should have been. That's what she's wearing. The Uggs was real. People, guys, I was basically in high school in 2018. I graduated high school in 2017. Okay, the choker, guys. Laura Jean was also in a choker. She was. Yeah. You weren't wearing those ugly boots, though. Were you wearing those ug boots? In high school? Was I wearing Ugg boots? Yeah. Oh god, you are such a basic white woman.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

I'm a basic white woman, okay?

SPEAKER_01 38:29

I have never once put on Ugg boots and I never will. Really? Yeah. I wore Ug boots and I definitely wore them in high school. Yeah. When is from Connecticut? Right. But I would also never like criticize somebody's really cool boots over my Ug boots. Yeah. Because I know they're wearing Ug boots. I'm not gonna pretend that anyone in my high school was ever wearing heeled combat boots.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

So that's just obviously unrealistic, but it's a movie. Everyone was wearing Uggs.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

We would people would make fun of people for wearing fake Uggs because of classism. Oh, absolutely. That's a whole other story. Look at us. We're we're we're a top-tier bully. We're classists. We don't call you out for wearing cool shoes, we call you out for being poor. Yeah, if you're poor, you're gonna get made fun of. Look at all those pores over there. Oh my god. The bugs. Yeah. The bear claws. Bear claws, yes. Oh my god, I forgot about those. Those were the fugs. Those were fugs. Yeah, it was like girl, just don't wear anything.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Like, just wear sneakers is so embarrassing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

But anyway, I'm glad that the me and girl was so fucking basic. Yeah, that was that. Yeah. Clearly, she's just insecure. I love that that's how she's pretending. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

No, it's yeah. Um, I do yeah, the dubbing in that scene with her and Jen was so weird. They clearly like the vol the sound is all fucked up from like the echo in the bathroom, and they had to go back and redub it, but like also tried to keep the echo in, and it just sounds so fucking weird. And especially Jen's lines, like reading back, it's just really weird.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

I do really love that Jen's argument was that you kiss the boy that I like in seventh grade.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

But she like says it, she's like, You kissed the boy that I left.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Like, what? Like, why does she say it like that?

SPEAKER_01 40:34

You were broken up. She's like, No, back in seventh grade before we even dated. I'm like, that is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. And she held on to that grudge. Uh and also, like, why are you still holding that grudge? You're dating the boy. Like, what it's so accurate to a 16, 17-year-old girl that she would end a friendship over that, and then I'm sure that she's true about her. Yeah, and I think also specifically, too, because like Peter didn't object to kissing Lara Jean. Yeah, he was like, he's like, you know, we kind of pushed it, but yeah, he was like, We have to, you know, obey the we have to obey the bottle. We have to play play the game. Yeah, he's like, I can't spin the bottle. Yeah, he's like, I I'm a rule follower, you know. Yeah, um, some other line readings that I loved were when she's breaking up with him at the bus right after the ski trip, and she goes, I and he she he's like, Let me drive home. She's like, No, I'd rather walk. Actually, I'd rather drive myself than be with you. Thank you. Thank you. As someone who hates driving as much as Laura Jean does, if some boy did what he did to me and he offered me a ride, I would be like, I would rather die andor drive myself home. Just the way she says it.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Like, exactly. It is that deep.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

I'd rather drive myself. That means a lot. That better cut deep. That means a lot. Yeah. Another favorite line reading is Lucas when he goes, like, you're a sexy little Rubik's cube. Yes, so that's actually my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

He did because every every other line reading I called out, I just thought it sounded ridiculous, but that one I actually just like loved.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

It's so funny. Um but wait, Allie, you want to talk about Margot.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

I think they really dropped the ball with the character of Marg. I think Janelle Parrish. That's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

I mean, I'm used to her being like a psychopath. So first of all, she's like 35. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

So it was just like weird that she was there. I think it was. I was just like, I totally understand why they cast her in this, but I just doesn't really fit.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

Pretty little liar still on at this time. 2018. I love Pretty Lilliar. I can't wait for us to talk about that. Oh, it ended a year before this came out. Okay, yeah, and then she's like going back to playing an 18-year-old. Wait, sorry, was she 35 when she filmed this? I that's a completely made-up age. She's she's definitely, I think she's definitely older than I am, so she probably was. No, I don't even know. I she's 37 now. So she was she was, yeah. 20 something. She was born in 88. So she was 30. Oh, she was 30. She was 30. How old was Josh? Isn't there like like conflicts with like uh Israel Israel Bruchard? I feel like there was stuff that like came out about him like a couple of years ago. I don't remember what it was though. I think he was he like liked something uh controversial during Twitter. Oh, maybe that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Oh, I mean he has an unfortunate name.

unknown 43:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Oh my god, I was about to say the summary turned pretty. Um no to all the boys. Crazy. See? It's very confusing. I know. They're kind of yeah, like this. Easily entertainable. Yeah. I mean, she does she does like even similar um to all the boys, like scenes specifically, where like the girl, the girl is like somehow like knocked out on the ground, and the boy who like she's meant to be with is like hovering over her. They also did that in Sun Right Pretty and in Ex O Kitty. That was funny. So we know that Minho is her endgame, let's be honest. Um he was born in '94. Okay. He's okay. He looked young. He does look. So I was like 30, maybe he was like 22. I was like, ooh, yeah, he was definitely in his 20s, then for sure. Okay. I one of my biggest pet peeves in movies, and I'm not taking this movie too seriously because it is a rom-com and it's fluffy and it's lovely and it's light.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Sister dynamics are so hard to get right on film, or I don't think they should be because I am a sister. I that's kinda I famously am a sister.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

A sister with sisters, specifically.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

A sister with sisters.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

That's what I meant by I am a sister. I have any sisters. I am also a sister, but I don't have sisters. I have a singular sister, so I have a brother. It's different, it's very different. It's different.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

I am always like looking to poke holes in sister relationships in movies and TV because I really get irritated when it just like falls back into like you're my best friend, and like they're literally just like buddy buddy, and they just like her, like, you're my sister, like you, and just like lovey dovey, cuddly all the time. I'm like, you should want to kill that girl. Like, she's your best friend in the world, but also you want to kill her. Like, you think she you fucking hate her, but also like you would kill for her.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Um, and Margot is such a fascinating character to me because she clearly is like crazy parentified. Oh, absolutely. She's basically like running away from home in like the most uh socially acceptable way possible. Like she isn't getting the fuck out of there. Literally going to the furthest school she can get her hands on. Um I mean, I would also go to Scotland and love Scotland.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Yeah, and like her relationship with her sisters, I think is could be so rich and interesting. Whereas like I could see her having much more of like a mother relationship with Kitty, and then I think it would be so much more interesting if her and LJ were more of like a sisters, sisters, and like fighting where Laura Jean's like, you're not my fucking mom. Like, stop mothering me.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Yeah, that feels much more accurate to what I think it would be.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

And I was kind of hating on their relationship a lot, and Philip was like, Well, like, it's hard, like clearly Margot's like pseudo the mom, so like it makes sense that she's like being this way, but I just think that they did let in like the cop-out easiest way possible, where she's just like, You're the biggest sister. Who the fuck talks like?

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Yeah, also I'm just like, now you're trying to parentify Laura Jean because you're leaving, like you don't need to do that. Also, she only referred to their father as daddy, and I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

I hate when people call their parents mommy or daddy in a movie when they are above five years old. Yeah, it's not real.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Why the f if that girl is parentified, she's gonna, she's not that's her her father, is not her father, he's her co-worker. He's co her co-parent. Uh yeah, like she's not gonna be like daddy said that she's gonna be like, You need to help dad with that. No, it's just no, let's just call him Aiden. Dr. Covey? No, it's Dan. Oh Dan. His name is Dan. His name is Dan. Dan Covey. Yeah, did he say his name? They did. He should have been, she should have been calling him Dan. He's credited as Dr. Covey.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Oh. He introduces himself, or he says to Peter, he's like, Oh, call me Dan or something. You're so right, yes. Um, but no, it does not check out that she's like, Daddy said this, daddy said that. She should be like Dan.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah, like Dan, I mean Deb. That is her co-parent.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Like they are doing, they are doing monthly budget meetings. Like they are they like that no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

No, yeah. Uh I've got to call her a completely different name. Margot is the mother, and she has two daughters and a son. One of the son is her dad.

SPEAKER_00 48:23

I I do love, you know, like I do love the dad, though. I love my dad.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

I love him. He's he's trying, he's trying his best. He's a good, he's a good dad. He's trying his best. I love him in his pastel button-downs and his stemless wine glasses. Yeah, I love him. I want an answer to Chris's question, though, that he why did he decide gynecologists? It's like, yes, I would love to look at vaginas all day. Also, I would never have a male gynecologist. You know, it's very common. It is very common. Yeah, Laura, isn't your dad a gynecologist? Yeah, you're dad's okay. Do you have an answer to why you're dancing gynecologist?

unknown 48:59

I don't.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

He was like doing it for the big bucks. I fear I don't. You're like, I don't want to have a conversation. He's retired now. It's phone a friend. Can we call in Laura's dad and ask him? He's like, what made you want to look at vaginas on day? No, nope. No, you're you're like, I'm not going to ask. We're not gonna ask. It paid for school, it paid for fun things. Absolutely. That's all I need to know. Shout out to his lifestyle. Shout out to Laura's dad for uh financially supporting her life. Thanks for that. Good stuff. That's all I needed to know. And that's exactly that's that's why the friend asked, and not the doctor. Exactly. Yeah, and yeah, yeah. That's why we can ask. Yeah. I do love his scene with Laura Jean when he's like, we need to talk about your sexual health. That's another great line reading. Do you know another they I don't know why, but they always do this in rom coms, where not always, but there's another rom com, 10 things I hate about you, where the dad is famously a kind of gynecologist. He is. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but but Dr. Covey is a woke.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

100% rom com dad, whereas 10 things I hate about you, dad is not woke.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

And the reason he doesn't let his daughters date is because he's afraid they're just gonna get pregnant, which is gynecologist, kind of hilarious, yes. But also that was in the 90s, yeah. So fair enough. Excellent movie that we're also gonna be doing this. We will be doing. Wow, but yeah, I I thought I was like, wow, why do they keep doing this to dads? Like, but also like the single it's it's the single dad trope to to daughters and they're a gynecologist. You're so right. Uh it's just like a way to maximize gynecological health.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Yeah, it's like a way to maximize that that the dad doesn't understand and like thinks he does, but he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Because even if he understands it like on a technical level, he like doesn't, you know, and that understands a biological level. It's a way to like bring the single dad more into the story and like envision more in the story. Yeah, um, because if he was just like an accountant, he would not be relevant at all. He has to have some kind of stakes in that. Yeah, I I did love that when the dad was asking what was wrong with Laura Jean, and Kitty's like, Oh, I don't know, Moon Day. He was like, the moon has nothing to do with it, Kitty. It says you, Doc Demand. I love Kitty. Yeah, I'm thinking that she's feeling guilty about what she did, but you know. Moon Day? I'm gonna start using that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Um, wait, let me, okay. Someone else share some of that.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Crimson tide, you know. Oh, some of my notes. I did say, okay, yeah, bad writing, Margo, parentification. At the very beginning, now that we're actually sorry, we're talking about Marg. Yeah, uh at the very beginning when she was saying that you're gonna be the biggest sister now. Yeah, she went into Laura Jean's bed with her flip-flops, dirty flip-flops under the covers. Yeah, her disgusting, sweaty eye underneath her duvet. Truly. And I said, and I in my notes, I said, diabolical. You can tell these people were raised by a white man. Yes, that is disgusting. Girl, so grow up those crocs. I was raised by a white man, and I would never do that. I I know you wouldn't, but you know your people. Great.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

I just was like, why that would have been the easiest. They literally had her in flip-flops, why wouldn't they have why would she not have taken them off?

SPEAKER_00 52:38

She was wearing crocs. Why couldn't she just walk into the room barefoot? Like, why couldn't she have taken them off when she walked in the house? Even if you were just outside, yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

To even be wearing dirty crocs inside the house, that's just not Asian. I'm sorry. She wouldn't, you're right, she wouldn't have her shoes on. No, she wouldn't. She wouldn't they'd be a pile in the hallway, yeah. I think I think that's your right. That goes back to they're raised by they're in a white household now. They're in a white house, they're in a white house. He's a doctor, he knows about germs. I will. I don't think he's thinking about his daughter's sweaty feet. Because I don't think she did she have socks on. I don't know. No, she did not. Oh, yeah. Every time I see that, I'm just like, also, why would they let us as an audience see that that happened? Someone point to be fair. I wasn't even um I didn't pay attention to it in the first few watches, but then somebody pointed it out on social media, and I said, and now I can't see it. Yes, no, I put her cracks in there. It takes me so out of it. No one, no one, no, no one. Let me let me defend my people on this one thing. We don't get any defense on anything else but this one thing. Even white people do not wear outside shoes in bed, okay? Yeah, I mean, white people are half my people, and I can attest to that. We we we're pretty terrible, we're pretty disgusting and evil and monstrous, but that is where the line is drawn. You know that like line in community where Brenda's like, I can excuse racism, but I draw the line of animals cruel.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Excuse racism.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Excuse racism. I can excuse racism, but I draw the line and shoes in the bed.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Oh my god, yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Yeah, that's a good show. That's hilarious. Yeah, no, that is that's jobless behavior. Yeah, yes, yeah. Um that was one of my few notes relating to Margot. Yeah, yeah, that's a very important one. We don't have to keep talking about Margot.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

That was just a big a very large takeaway.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

My my one takeaway that I had from Marg, along with all these other ones, was how the specific thing that she said that dated this movie, and she was like, She was telling Laura Jean that she was like, We'll Skype every day. To be fair, yes, I did. I did have that also. Okay, there were Skype, wasn't this 2018 FaceTime was a thing? Question mark. Yeah, I was like, Why didn't Skype?

SPEAKER_00 55:06

There that so I had that note, and then there were two other things that like crazy aged this movie exactly, which was that Chris said, I'm gonna go look at shirtless pictures of Justin Christelle and Peter in his Instagram caption calling Laura Jean Bay.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Just immediately aged it takes me back in 2018. Oh my god, bae. If only Chris can look at Justin Trudeau now. Oh my god, yeah. Well book Katie Perry, she'd be so disappointed in him. Like really Katie Perry. Yeah, he's not even Prime Minister, Prime Minister anymore, and he's and dating uh has been pop star. Yeah, who used to be with Orlando Bloom, which is also crazy to me. They have a child together, correct. Orlando, what are you doing? Why do not Orlando Bloom? I do not trust that man. I also don't. I love him. He was my sexual awakening when I watched Pirates of the Caribbean in 2003. Legolas was your sexual awakening. No, it wasn't because I didn't watch Lord of the Rings until years later. I was too afraid.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

Oh, he was in Pride's of the Caribbean. Oh so Will Turner was your awakening.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

You're right. It was it was Will Turner. Yeah. I do have I do have an Orlando Bloom poster that's still hanging up, that's framed in my childhood bedroom. Oh wow. That's deep. Still okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Too much judgment from you, Missy. I still have my Peter Millard poster hanging in my room.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

Oh, that's so cute. Also in our old apartment, Laura, do you remember our um Adam Brody shrine? Yes. We did have an Adam Brody shrine, and I can't judge because I also had a Troy Bolton cut out. Oh my god, yes. Growing up. Yeah. Full size. I'm hearing taste. Yeah. I wish high school musical. Can we do high school musical? Because it's basically Romeo and Juliet. Oh it's also technically Greece. It is technically Greece. Well, Greece is Romeo and Juliet. Yeah. There you go. We okay, yes. Yes, we'll do it. I'm gonna add it. Okay, our guest is gonna be my my eight-year-old nephew. Oh cute. It actually no. That would be that would be adorable. We would not be talking about anything. He oh my god, he would be wants to talk about it. It'd be really cute. So cute. Um I love that he loves high school musical. He loves high school musical so much. He wants to be Troy Bolton so bad. Um I get it. That floppy hair, come on.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Yeah. Um, okay, another note. Peter should be a midi, not a goalie.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

Okay, lax gal, 1990. Yeah, I was like, I was my girl. Hi guys, I was I'm from Maryland. I know a lot about lacrosse. Hot boys are middies. I don't know my fielders. I fear this is not the audience for this. Laura, you're from Connecticut, you know lacrosse. I I fear I don't uh my school did not have a lacrosse team, and all I know about lacrosse, I learned from Teen Wolf. They don't I do not feel safe as a white woman in this area in this space right now. They definitely had a lacrosse team. I just didn't pay attention to them. Okay, no, no one cares about lacrosse. I don't hate it.

SPEAKER_00 58:25

Okay, this is not a safe space for uh not for lacrosse for basic white women, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

Guys lacrosse is like a Native American space. Yes, it is of course appropriate Americans that was appropriated by preparation exactly because they take everything alley again. I'm not feeling safe. Ums it's true.

SPEAKER_02 58:49

I did ask Phil because he was cool in high school about the accuracy of the high school party.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

And he said that it actually, because I was like, this is crazy. He was like, it's actually more accurate than most high school movie parties, because usually people are acting like they're in a rave in a frat basement, and this was more accurate because it was just like people talking and like playing pop beer pong.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Yeah, but the house and the dress code was not realistic. Fair enough. I wouldn't know because I never went to parties in high school. Me either, me either. But since we are talking about the party, I love that none of us went to high school. That's so cute for us. I love that. We we have other things to do to do. We were on we were on Tumblr doing Harry Potter literary analysis, okay? Sorry, we were at home on the couch, yeah, whatever. We were having we were enlightening ourselves, we're educating ourselves. Educating ourselves and we were also feeling safe. Yeah, yeah. Unlike me right now, our parents knew where their kids were. Yeah, yeah, they didn't have to be like it's six o'clock, it's dinner time. Do you know where your kids are? I was in my room. They do. We're like, they're both here. But I do love that scene outside of the party where Laura Jean goes to put her hair up and Peter takes her hair down, and then he takes the oh, then goes in the bullshit with Jen in the hair tie. But so cute of Peter like instigating all of these things, taking the photos of them, making them in the background. I'm like, that dude is in love with you, and he does. Yeah, see, like Lucas was correct. Peter was instigating everything, everything, yeah. Everything he was the one that came up with the plan. Yes, and he was like, What? I can't kiss you on the mouth. That's crazy. And she was like, That would be crazy. You can't do that. It is funny. She initiated two kisses, and then she was like, No more. And he was like, Wait, what the fuck? I'm sorry, you just kissed me in front of multiple people both. I can sit. I know, and now I want to consensually do it, and you're saying no. Yeah, you're like, um, this is crazy. Okay. Also, the back pocket thing, she was like, You can't kiss me, but you can put your hand, you can cut my ass through my back. This was one of my this was one of my notes. I love it so much. Wasn't the like, wasn't the twirl that he did to her like improvised or something? It was so this is why people ship them, but yeah. But uh so when she was like, It's like you can put your hand in my back pocket like like 16 candles. And then I remember in the summer actor and pretty they also love like old, old movies. Oh, yeah. Like Jenny Han loves these girls. Jen Jenny makes herself with 80s movies. I love an 80s movie though. 60 60 year olds, uh yes, 80s like fascinating. The the 80s teen movie, 80s teen movies are the greatest, they're on comms. They are, but she was also watching like Golden Girls, right? Which is also the greatest show ever. Yes. Oh, let's talk about the fact that they exclusively watched shit on their MacBook Air in the living room, in the living room, not a TV in there, and the way they had it set up, I'm like either Laura Jean can't see because she's so far, or Kitty can't see because she's like too close. Right, yeah. Kitty was definitely right in front of that screen. Yeah. To be fair, I feel like that's so 2018. Like that is so that is that's perfect representation of in bed, not like in the living room. I guess. I don't know. I'm always in my laptop in my living room. Yeah, Laura didn't have a TV in her room when we lived together, so she would only watch stuff in the living room, which is actually great because then I would just come out and watch stuff. I did have a TV at the foot of my bed, so yeah, and what was always on that TV, Laura? Gilmore Girls.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:01

You're like, I don't know. The door you were I don't know. She could have been she could have been doing anything there. She could be doing anything. It was Gilmore Girls, you're right. It was Gilmore. I I love that half of this half of this cut this conversation. It's just like, what are we gonna do in the next like why can't we? Why can't we just do the high school music? Even though we have 175 more options, we Laura, this podcast is never gonna end, which is why we need people to listen to it. Yeah, we need people to follow us on Instagram because I work really hard on the Instagram stories, and the only people that watch them are Katie and Laura now. Because I texted Laura and I said you better watch better fucking watch my stories. You want me to promote this on my yes, yes, okay, yes, promote this Instagram. Um, I need people to follow us on Instagram. I need people to listen to this so we can have a Patreon so that we can quit our corporate jobs. Yes. Oh um, absolutely, absolutely. Because I can't keep doing this, guys. Katie, this has to this whole life plan has to go into the final cut. Oh, it will, yeah, so we have to do this, we have to do this. We have to do this, we have to do this. And then we'll be I'll be our like marketing girl. Yeah, yeah, be our marketing girl. I'm the editor. Allie's in charge of social. You're our marketer. Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:17

I want us to end up. Here's where the end game of this is. We are like doing interviews on the Golden Globe's red carpet, and people are like, Who the fuck are these women?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

And that's where I want to end up. We're like, we're podcasters, and they're like, Can we leave? Oh my god. No, but actually, sorry, plot twists. We're gonna be podcasters that actually ask good questions. Yes, we're gonna be like therapists in their craft, yeah. Yes, it's gonna be therapist. And they're gonna be like, You're my favorite. Thank you. I kind of did journalism in college, so I'm pretty good. We can do the hard-hitting questions on the boots journalism. Yeah, yeah, be like, would do you prefer Ug boots or field combat boots? Those are the important hard-hitting questions. I did see. Do you guys know who Mary Beth Barone is? Why do I I've heard the name? Anytime I hear the name Barone, I just think of everybody loves Raymond, which I hated. That's their last name on that show. I hated that show. Sorry. Um, she like co-hosts Ride with that guy who created Overcompensating. Oh, yes, I know that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

And he she's on overcompensating, but she did it in her like, she was on the I think Golden Globes or Sag Awards or something, red carpet and doing interviews, but her questions were so fucking funny. Um oh my god, I forget what they like. I can't even think of an example, but she was just asking like every man how tall he is, and they were like, Oh, are you asking everyone?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

She's like, No, only the men, because every woman is the perfect height. Yes. But it was just like I recommend looking up videos because it's so funny. Like, that's what I want to be. I love you. Crazy. Anyway, how am I the one keeping us on topic? I don't know, Ellie. We've gone through the looking glass. Uncharacteristic. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. Let's talk about the ski trip. Okay. First of all, literally no chaperones. Just straight up no chaperones. Yeah. Yeah. One of the one of the other students was handing out the key cards. The key cards. And then he threw them on the ground. Where does it take whatever you want? Where are the chaperones taping the doors shut at 9 p.m.? Does anyone else have that? Oh, yeah. Like when I don't know if like my teachers did that when we would go on like school trips, but definitely was like, you are not allowed to leave your room at a certain time for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

So I every year with the choir and band would go on a trip in the spring, like April-ish time. And we went to Disney World my freshman year and my senior year. And then we did Nashville junior year and like Virginia Beach software year. Oh fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

And they were so fucking insane about the rules and like keeping everyone separate so no one would have sex.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:15

Yes. Like they would wake everybody up at like 9 p.m. Because we would drive there on a coach bus. We drove to Florida on a coach bus. That's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

That's like when you drove from Wisconsin to DC for a DC trip.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:28

Yeah. They would like wake us up at 9 p.m. to separate and be like boys on the back of the bus, girls on the front of the bus. What you also they did make they did wake everyone up every four hours so we can move because legally, like, that would prevent blood clots or whatever, so no one would die.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

So no one would want us to drive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

Actually, we hit so much traffic on the drive back from Florida back to Maryland on my senior year. The trip was 20 hours because we hit so much traffic.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

Um, I just want to say that despite all this, this did not prevent me uh my then boyfriend from cheating on me on a coach bus. On the coach bus? On the coach bus. Um so this is very triggering. How did how did this happen if you guys got well? I guess it must have been before this. This was before it was separate.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Um, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

So wait, so everyone knew then that this was happening. Oh my god. Yes, this is diabolical.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

Yes. So but we were then, it was like so strict about who you were in a room with, obviously. No one was allowed.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

The fact that Laura Jean is with Lucas in a room, not allowed. No, they not they wouldn't have been like, oh, he's gay, that's cool. No, no, yeah, not even that. It's just like you are boy girl, that you cannot happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:52

No, and they would like you were locked in your room basically at like 9 p.m. And they would put tape on the outside of the door so that they would see if you had like tried to open the door or open the door, and the tape would then be ripped.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

That's you wait, but wouldn't if someone did, couldn't you just cover it up again with tape? With what tape?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

Because then you had to, it was from the outside.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Yeah, so like if you end up opening the door, it would rip the tape, and you could easily tell that you had like tried to leave. Yeah, so you wouldn't really be able to like put it back either. Really? Yeah, yeah, because I'm assuming it was also like on like the door slash like door jam. I'm assuming that's kind of like where it was. So like it would very obviously rip if you open the door. Yeah, that's crazy. Crazy. I mean, if I was chaperoned, I would do that. No, totally. All it meant is that people were like sucking and fucking literally in the grounds of bush gardens. Yeah, they're like, as long as it's not in a place where like we are sleeping and we have to be you know watching you and we're responsible for you. If you're in a bush, whatever you're gonna do, you know. Oh my god, I remember being in Disney World when I was 17, 18, and the guys I was with literally had brought alcohol to Disney World, and I was like, I'm gonna get arrested. I literally like this is how do they bring it in? I don't know. Bringing alcohol to Disney World. I don't know how they did it. It was so happiest place on earth. You don't need alcohol. It was I was so scared. I would be too. I'd be like, because you're like, you're like, I'm gonna get in trouble by association. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, very realistic, very unrealistic field trip. Yes, no chaperones, nothing. Yeah, literally, I don't we I know they were at school a lot, but I think the only teacher we ever saw was like that gym teacher in that one scene. Yeah, who like yelled at her for making out with Peter on the track, which is fair enough. Girl, yeah, you're gonna go run some more laps. What are you doing? Um, Philip also pointed out that um the one black character not being able to ski is a stereotype. Um, I am black and I also don't ski, and I don't plan to learn because I don't want to die. So Lucas is being correct. Okay, that's true. Skiing is a thing that white people do. That is so true. It's so true. Thank you. And I will never do it because I have the whitest boyfriend in the world. Yeah, so people I know who go skiing have gotten hurt.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

I know it's a dangerous sport, it's pretty scary, guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:32

I know, I know skiing. I don't want Phil to skiing. Can you bring Phil in the room right now and be like this is a dangerous sport? You're throwing yourself off the side of a mountain. Do we see what happened to Lindsay Vaughn? We did. Yeah. I can't say that it's only a white people sport because there's a few of my people that are very good at it, but a few of my people. But yeah, he his skiing is over for the year. He's done skiing for the year. I would hope so. It's March. But I'm sure there are some hills that have like the fake snow or whatever. Or if you go out west. Apparently, the Pokemon does the fake snow thing in off season. I don't know. Huh. But the do you guys think that they actually went to a real ski lodge? Absolutely. Or was it a set?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Because they filmed it in Vancouver.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Oh, yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, and then also the When I'm With You song that plays that's anytime I hear that song, it just reminds me of this movie. 100%. The wait, which song? The uh another another diabolical choice from a covey girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:46

She got in the hot tub in that nightgown and then got in bed in that same nightgown.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Yeah, and it was 100% dry by that time. I was like, girl, no. Also, she knew that he was in the hot tub, and she didn't put anything else on. Yeah, also unrealistic that no one else was in that hot tub. Oh, yeah. Yes. I mean, Jenna's stalking her ex-boyfriend. She would have been out there. No, not even that. That's a nice ass hot tub. Yeah, other people would have been out there. Where the hell was Peter's 35-year-old friend?

unknown 1:13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:18

Oh, that actor is legit 30-something years old.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

Yeah, he was funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:23

He was great, but I'm like, You were not a teen and you haven't been a teen for a long time. Yeah. We um do we know that in this movie that he was actually waiting for Jen in that hot tub? That is a reveal in the next movie, I believe. Okay. That he was waiting for Jen? He was waiting for Jen. Yeah, well, was he gonna break up with her, or was he gonna like make out with her first and then maybe break up with her? He was gonna fuck her. He was gonna fuck her. Also, like in a hot tub, that is so nasty. It really is. This is white people. White people, that they're like, yeah, this is really hot, and all this hot water and all the bacteria. Yeah, actually accessible for yes, agenda. Lokie, that is that is Bridgerton. They just did that in Bridgerton. Yeah, but it wasn't like they weren't in a hot tub though. They were in the hot tub. And she got water all over the floor. She didn't then. I was like, who's cleaning that? Her? Right? Yeah, right. I think she is. But anyway. Anyway. Apparently it's white, it's white men who like you know are like luring Asian women into hot dogs. That sounds so bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

You know my Katie, I would be Lord.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

No pride, I would be Lord. Like if Peter Kavinsky was in there, yeah. Oh my god. Get me in there. Get on in there. Oh my god, if Anthony from Bridgerton was in the hot tub, immediately.

unknown 1:15:04

Immediately.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Not calling though. He can never I would I would like it. Asian women look out. Asian women look vigilant. Yeah, stay vigilant of the white man. With a hot tub.

unknown 1:15:23

Yes. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:25

The the weapon they're wearing is a hot tub or any forms of water. Yes, any forms of water. That is oh my god. That's so funny. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

Oh, okay. Anyway. Everyone be careful out there, okay? Everyone be careful. I love that. Stay, stay vigilant. Stay vigilant. Man. Um yeah. So she's Jen. Jen, I I forgot about that reveal. I know that yeah, that doesn't happen here, but I fully forgot that that was a thing. Peter is so great in this movie. And then the next movies kind of reveal that he's like a fuck boy. Yeah. Yeah. But we knew this though. Like uh, why are you still talking to your ex-girlfriend? Uh I know. Also, like it's that is also crazy. Yes, they are fake dating, but Peter is doing this to make Jen jealous and think and think that he's dating someone else. So why the fuck are you on the phone with her? Yes. I and also like if I were Laura Jean too, I'd be like, that's fucking weird. I and she called him out, and she called him out. Yeah, exactly. I would be like, I know I'm not your real girlfriend, but that's messed up. Yeah, yeah. I mean, she did say that, but honestly, I mean it's a movie and it's it's it's romance, so we let it go, but it is so accurate that Peter is just like this 17-year-old fuckboy who like doesn't have boundaries with his ex-girlfriend, and in the real world, I'd be like Laura Jean, like, no, yeah, because it's real dreamy, but no, yeah. Also, like when Chris and Laura Jean overhear them on the bleachers, like, all Peter says is like, Jen, you have a boyfriend. Not like yeah, he's not being like, I have a girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Yeah, and Chris is like she's trying to steal your man.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:24

Chris, I the Chris that we have been led to meet in this movie would stand would literally get up and be like, Excuse me, you're dating my best friend. Like, are you gonna mention that? Yeah, she would she would confront them, and also like Laura Jean, be better about this fake dating thing. Like, yeah, Laura Jean is like not trying. Like, you girl, you should be upset about that. Even if it's like not real, I would be fucking pissed. The whole premise of the fake dating trope in this movie is a little bit flawed, yeah. Yeah, because I couldn't understand like I understood why I understood why he would want to do it because he's had feelings with Larjean all this time, but uh then he also wants his ex-girlfriend back. Uh I know it was yeah, it like it's definitely more so than just like oh we can make her jealous because she's already like intimidated by you. Yeah, but I'm but I was like, oh, but you also really you actually also do like Largin. Exactly. Yeah, he he's the one who wanted to do it. Yes, and not for not to make her her jealous. I think it is I think it was because of the fact that he actually did have feelings for her, but he just didn't know it. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:34

Uh yeah, I read one article that said that he wanted to fake date to show Jen that he was over her.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:45

Over her in the book in the book. Okay, and then maybe also like because he also offered to like uh send Laura Jean notes, it was like, oh, I'm also doing all of these things with someone else that I never did with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:58

Yeah, which does make sense that he's that he would be like, Yeah, Jen and I broke up, it's like messy because we were each other's first love.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

Yeah, but like, oh, I'm into this Laura Jean, and like she kind of needs an out in this situation.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

So, like, yeah, let's fake date, and that way I can like get to know her and also show Jen I'm over her, but instead the movie it's just like he still likes Jen, but he also is pursuing Laura Jean.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

He's just like a 17-year-old fucking pursuit, yeah. And also the fact it's like it is interesting that he like even confronted her about the letter if he like didn't have some kind of you know, like feelings for Laura Jean, even at that point.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:40

Yeah, he literally says he's like, Oh, like sorry, like it's never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

Yeah, and also Laura Jean lucked out by by the like the boys that she chose to send these letters to. Because if she sent one to the wrong dude, every single person in school would know about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:57

That was what I was saying. With if you if the guy you would have crushed on seventh grade, if this happened, yeah, wouldn't it go?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

He would be it would have told everybody. Yeah, well, actually, no, maybe not the guy that I crushed in seventh grade, but like other guys for sure definitely would have done this. Yeah, Laura Laura Jean does have pretty good taste in the Laura Jean. Laura, Laura, it's it's Laura Jean? It's Laura, yeah. They call her Laura Jean in the movie. It's L-A-R-A. Do they not call her Laura Jean? No, they say Laura, they say Laura. Laura Jean. I'm sure some people I'm sure some people say Laura Jean. I'm sure they should, I'm sure they do, but I'm like, what's that? Okay, your name is Laura.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

So I'm saying Laura.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:45

I'm saying Laura Laura.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:47

I sorry. What I don't like the name Laura. I think it sounds dumb. Let's talk about the name Laura Jean. Laura Jean. I don't like it. Large large end of sentence.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

Largy, largy, largy, Laura Jean. Bad name. Bad name. Jenny, Jennifer Han does not have any good naming uh like mechanisms because Belly. Okay, but her name is Isabel, and then the first daughter is Margot. Adorable, both kitty, gross. Catherine. Her name is Catherine. So she should be going to be. I'm also Katherine. Catherine is Kitty. No, I know I know a Catherine who went by Kitty. Also, like Belly, you are over 18 now. You cannot be telling people your name is Belly. You have to be Isabel.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:32

I I hate Belly. No, but Lara Jean. Lara Jean? Lord, Lara Jean. Okay, I'm saying Lara Jean. I I hate double double barrel first names. I hate. I hate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:43

I know. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

Mary Kate. Yeah. My I was almost named Mary Kate, and I hate the name Mary Kate.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:50

Mary Sophia Kate.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:51

I hate Anna Sophia.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:53

Choose one. Choose one. And like I love Anna Sophia Rub, but yeah, it is a lot. Choose a lot. It's a mouthful.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:59

That's what middle names are for.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:01

Yeah. Also, what's wasn't what's Marilyn Monroe's real name? Isn't it like something Jean? Norma Jean. Norma Jean. Norma Jean, that's it. Yeah, Laura, Lara Jean. I hate it. Lara Jean. I really do not like that name. I do love the nickname LJ. LJ's adorable. LJ's cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:18

I like I I think uh it didn't end initial nicknames are adorable.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:24

Yeah, adorable. So cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:26

Yeah, share more of your notes.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:28

Yeah. What else? What else we got in here? Okay. Also, though, we were we were talking about the ski joke. We were. Um, I do, although, you know, it was you know the trope with an Asian woman being lured into a hot tub by a white man. Um, I love also an Asian woman who couldn't drive. Couldn't drive.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Two instances of racism in this movie that Philip pointed out to me, which was hate from her. An Asian woman can't drive and a black man can't ski.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:58

I mean, isn't a stereotype that Asian people are bad at driving, not that she like can't drive.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:04

Well, she's also bad at driving.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:05

No, I know, because she can't drive, she doesn't like it, and she's not confident in driving. That's why she's not that's why she's bad at driving.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

Even at the end, when she was going to find Peter feeling confident, she didn't feel like see how she fucking parked.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:19

Like, oh my god, she actually drives me insane. I'm like, you couldn't even just properly park, there's no other cars in the lot. Also, legit when after she almost runs over Peter early in the movie, and Kitty's like, Why are we not leaving yet? And she was like, I'm waiting for all the other cars to leave. That was me. I legit would have done that. That was really funny. Yeah, anytime that I also drove to school, I would make sure to find a spot where I could fully pull in, but I didn't have to back out.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Yep. I also would do that if I would leave at like a really popular time and I would like wait until cars left. I totally did that.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:52

Like, I can't, I can't do this. She's just like us, except she is except not at all. Except for we never went to house parties and we were never making out relationship room. And yeah, yeah, didn't fake date. No. No. Do we think we can wrap this up with a hypothesis on where LJ and Peter are in XOKitty? I would love to. Oh, I love that. Okay, yes. What are your thoughts? Where are we? Where we're in 2020. Are we in present day in Exo Kitty? Do we think? I think so, right? So then they've graduated at this point. Yes. Okay. Yeah, so because Kitty's still kitty's still in high school. But like senior year. Senior year now. They're and their age difference is like five years. Okay, so they're well off, not well off, but like a year out of college. Oh wow. Okay. So where do we think they are? Because in the first season, when Peter comes to visit, they were still very much in love together. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:53

Do we know what his major was?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:56

La Crosse. His major was lacrosse. L A X. L A X. L A X. Well, she definitely is lacrosse. She was like a probably a creative writing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:08

She was definitely the creative writing or English lit. He was like, he just became some like boring like white man.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:15

Like he was a business major. Oh, yeah. I was gonna say medicine. Yeah. Medicine. Maybe he's in sports medicine. Yeah. I could see him being like that. Yeah. Or like a physical therapist. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I don't really see him in in business. No. But also he probably did take some business classes, you know, like that kind of. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So what that's our hypothesis is that she's in writing and he is yes. Maybe maybe she's like trying to publish her first book or something. Yeah. Um, and do we think that he's in like grad school? I think he's in grad school. He's in grad school. And I also think that he's still writing her love letters. So cute. So cute. He's so cute. Okay, honestly, if they're like, if we don't have a FaceTime scene of them together and exo kitty, I'm gonna die.

unknown 1:26:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:08

Yeah. I mean, I mean, Peter did say I love you first, so you know. Yeah, and I love that right before that, Laura Jean is just like, I like you could be Peter Gavinski, and not in a fake way. And he's like, I'm in love with you. She's like playing with words. Yeah, I was like, girl. She's like, I didn't know that was an option. Like, girl, you're you're a writer. I'm like and not in a fake way. Not in a fake way. Yeah, like Peter, Peter glancing at that, and then he was like, if you want me to read it, you have to give that to me. And I'm like, it was one line. I was like, you read that whole thing. So cute. I love that. Okay, so since we established where where they are now. Actually, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:01

So that could be a new, that could be potentially a new thing that we add to this. But we do need to establish our our you know tried and true.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:11

Who is the PETA and who is the girl? You would fucking have this segment on your podcast. Laura, stop hating on my podcast. You're not being a supportive friend right now. And can you are you surprised to know to find the fact that Allie's the one who suggested this? I have no doubts on who suggested this. And I already know who Gail is.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:35

I'm not feeling safe.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:36

Well, yeah, I mean, we know who the Gail is. Wait, it's it's Jen, right? Oh, I was gonna say it's Josh is Gail. Josh. Oh, they Josh might be a better pick. But I was thinking of the former friend specifically. My first thought was Josh, but I actually think Jen is also a phenomenal pick. I also think this is uh so Laura, our

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

Criteria for who is the PETA and who is the Gale, it does not have to be a romantic interest.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

It is the PETA is a pure of heart, um, like it's respects women, um, sweet, loving.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:13

It does not have to be a man, it can be anyone. Yeah. Um, the gale is can be a war criminal, cannot be a war criminal.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:23

Sometimes he is a war criminal. Sometimes he is a war criminal. Sometimes he caused the deaths.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:28

In Percy Jackson, it was Luke who like is a war criminal.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:34

Yeah. Um, and it it can be someone who just turns evil and stays evil. Typically, we try to do like a friendship gone wrong, someone who you kind of understand where they're coming from and has been radicalized. The Gale is a very complex, exactly. It's a complex question.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

Yeah, more complex than what was portrayed in those movies. Yeah, so you know, we're talking about book gale. We're not talking about Liam fucking Hemsworth. Liam, I cannot wait to drag Liam fucking Hemsworth. Man, to be clear, I'm never talking about Liam fucking Hemsworth. No, have you guys done the Hunger Games? Not yet. Not yet. Okay, all right, don't worry. We're doing it in preparation for the new movie, so we will be doing it soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:14

Yeah, we're gonna release it like in the weeks before, and then we're gonna see the new movie and record like literally right after.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:24

Remember when we I was literally each page of Sunrise on the Reefing, I was texting Allie. Yeah, she was I was like, what do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally like crying every other week. I was like decapitated. Oh man. Yeah, yeah. It was rough, it was rough, crazy. Okay, well, I'm too I'm sat for that. Anyway, you're sad, yeah. Yes, okay. Maybe we can have you on for one of them. That'd be fun. Yeah, you have to pick. I would love to have you back, that'd be great.

unknown 1:29:54

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:57

I was like, I think both Josh and Jen are phenomenal Gale picks. I think so, too. Um, I actually don't want to choose between them, I think they can both be Gale. Perfect. Perfect. In terms of versions of Gale, like yes, yeah, yeah. Josh is a romantic Gale, and Jen is the friend turned foe turn foe slash war criminal. You understand what happened and what went wrong, and you have empathy for that, but you don't have empathy for what they have done. Yeah, yeah, like stealing her scrunchie and then putting in her greasy hair. Exactly. War criminal, releasing her pseudoporn. Yeah, she yeah, even though she said she didn't do it in that weird dummy, and I'm like, we don't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:41

Like Instagram took down from child pornography the loss.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:45

Oh, oh, my other favorite line reading. Um, Peter saying, This Bonnie Bear wannabe.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:52

I was like, Peter, you do not listen to Bonnie Bear. Peter, do you know Bonnie Bear? Bonnie wannabe. That's another thing. And Josh doesn't refute it. Josh is like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I listen to Bonnie Bear. Good. He totally is in the Noah Con pit.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:06

So am I.

unknown 1:31:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:10

See, it's like Josh is the better version of Gail. We yeah, you know. I mean, maybe, yeah, a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't I don't love Josh, but you know, Josh seemingly was like a pretty great, yeah, decent decent guy, decent boyfriend.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:26

Yeah, more indifferent Margo. Yeah. Um, I don't think he wanted he, it's not like he wanted to be with Laura Jean.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:34

He was no Laura Jean. He was more just like, can we talk about this? Yeah, like literally, you wrote me a love letter. Love letter. Like, can can we at least just talk about that? I actually do feel bad for Josh. Yeah, like his girlfriend who he clearly loved so much, broke up with him. Um, his good friend avoided him, talked to him. Yeah, yeah. Then then he finds out that she actually had feeling for him at some point, and that's what is making things weird. I feel bad. Yeah, is he a gale? Actually, I'm like taking it back now. I still think he's a gale. I think he's a little bit of a gale, still a little bit like adversarial, yeah. A little bit because he's not here, yeah. Because he's like, he's he's a cause like unintentionally, like cause of these like problems. This is true, yeah. Okay, yeah, and and Laura Jean makes it weirder than she needs to, and like makes things weirder with him. To be fair, that's so me. I'm so avoidant. I'm like, I would actually probably also jump off a window just to not speak to anybody. Yeah, you would literally make out with someone else instead of being like we can't. Is Laura Jean a Gemini? I don't know. I was thinking more she's an Aquarius.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:47

I was also thinking that. I was thinking like Aquarius or Pisces or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:52

No, she's definitely not a Pisces son. I think she's an Aquarius. Oh I vibe with so long. I think that Kitty is a Gemini. Oh kitty. Kitty is a Gemini. Kitty is a Gemini. Yeah, Kitty is such a Gemini. Okay, um great segue. I think Kitty's the the PETA. I think I think that's my PETA. She means well. She means well. She is she's pure a little conniving, but that's because annoying. Yeah, PETA was conniving. He was manipulating. Pita had plans, he was a little manipulating. He played the game. Yeah, and and kitty did admit she was like, I sent all five of them because I wanted you to have a higher chance of finding them boyfriends. She was like, I'm being practical. Like, sorry, I'm just giving you a higher chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:51

I immediately was like, no, but maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:55

Yeah, maybe the dad could also be in contention, I think. Yeah, the dad. I mean, he's so pita coated, yeah. And he's like, he's still in love with his wife. Yeah, he misses in love, sir. I do, I am glad there's like that scene where he was like, I should have like talked to you guys more about your mother, like even though it like makes me sad. He's like, I should have been telling you more about like these like beautiful memories that we had together, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:26

Yeah, when he's like, I relied too much on you and Margo.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:30

I'm like, he did Margo not? Does Margo know that you're saying yeah, does Margot know that? I think Margot made largy your daughter, your pseudo wife slash mother, your co-worker, your co-cause Peter, I think has Pita potential, but he's just like a little too much of a fuckboy. Yes, and and and Pita would never would never, yeah, never, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was playing both Jen and LJ's affections. Yes. No, he would never even though he was like up front about it, he wasn't about everything. There was still stuff that he like wasn't being honest about. He he yeah, I would say he's he has potential, but yes, exactly, yes, not a special. Okay, so now we need to rate and review to rate and review.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:20

So, Laura, just like on my podcast, um, our forefathers, the one that inspired me every word I speak on this podcast. You have to rate this movie out of five like objects that refer to the film. So, for example, I'm gonna rate this movie uh four out of five beautiful Etsy scrunchies.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:47

That's what I was gonna pick. It was gonna be exactly it was gonna be exactly that. Okay, Laura, it's a four out of five Korean yogurt smoothies. Yeah, that's a good pick. I will say Peter's like, can I have a sip of that? And I'm like, that is two sips large.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:05

No, you may not have a sip of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:07

It is also not. I I clocked that little tiny bottle like uh right away because it is not Korean yogurt smoothie, it is Japanese, oh, and it is like a probiotic. Oh is it good? I've never had it is delicious, and I have some in my fridge right now. But it is not well, they're perpetuating that they got it from the Korean grocery store. Wow, so yeah, and you're like, that's Japanese, but I'm not the same. That's cult and that's Japanese. Uh but okay, but okay, four out of five Korean yoga smoothies. Ooh, okay, I thought of another one because I didn't want to take yours, Allie. Um, four to five little fabric boxes with a bow on it. Oh adorable. Everything in that everything in that bedroom, Laura Jean's bedroom. They wish that they put they like they made a wall, like a stick and peel of that wolp, like that wall. It's right, so gorgeous. I want it. I need that bedroom.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:07

That again, best teen bedroom ever in a movie. Absolutely, so cute. Everything, everything in it, down to the letters that she writes are adorable.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:19

So cute. Good. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Laura. This has been so fun. We hope to have you back again. Thank you for having me. Oh my god, Ellie. I feel you back again. Ellie's retaliating because she doesn't feel safe. I bond with someone about Degrassi. Thank you. Degrassi. Is that how you say it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Degrassi. I don't know. How do the Canadians say it? I can't say anything right. Okay. Degrassi, Degrassi. Degrassi. Fine. Thank you so much for being here. Until next time, you know, rate, review us. Thanks, I guess. Go follow us on social media. Yes, and ask for the Patreon. Please follow us on social media. Please. Please, please, please. And what's that, guys? At what is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:18

Um at teenage dreams and movie scenes.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:24

A N D. A N D. Love. I'm working really hard on those stories, guys. It really is. They're super cute and like a love a good meme. And next time we are doing the second book adaptation to all the boys, P.S. I still love you. Can't wait. Broadway Jordan Fisher. Oh my god. I went to go see Hades Town a second time because he was in it. And I was like, Hades Town with him too. It's so good. It's so good. I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who didn't see Hades Town with him. You can go see Hades Town. I've seen Hades Town. Okay, I was about to say, but you didn't see him. Got it. Yeah, he's great. Cool. Okay. Great. Okay. Okay. Okay. Bye.