Bonus: The Pitt (2025)

Welcome back to Teenage Dreams & Movie Scenes! The podcast where we discuss our favorites Young Adult novels and the movies (& TV shows) based on them! Today, we're branching out from our typical YA novel breakdown to talk about the medical phenomenon taking the world (and our hearts) by storm, The Pitt (2025).

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi. Hi. Hi.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Oh my god, Allie. This is is this our is this baby's first bonus episode?

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Yes. And it also has nothing to do with this podcast. No. It's inspired by us just needing to talk about something else.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

And that one thing that we need to talk about in our hearts and in our souls is the pit.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Which I think to all three of our listeners will not be surprising at all because we have been starting every episode with a pit discussion. Yes. But I do think it's now funny that this will probably come out before a lot of episodes where we do talk about the pit because we recorded so far in advance.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

I was thinking about that as well because this episode is coming out a week after the season two finale.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

So I do think a lot of our episodes that we have recorded prior to this will be coming out after this.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

We're gonna so yeah, catch in a few weeks will be like, wow, can't believe Abbott's finally back. Yeah, and you're and they're like, the season's over. Like, ladies, get it together.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Also, I just need to state right off the bat that Abbott's government name is the love of my life, Dr. Jack Abbott. Yeah, that is his government name. That is his government name is on his birth certificate. It is. That's what his parents named him. Yeah. Because they also just they just knew. Obviously, he's the love of their life, but he is the love of my life, the love of everyone who's ever witnessed him.

unknown 1:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

On the pit.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Man, I love. So season two just ended. And this show has really taken the world by storm. It's put putting putting us in a chokehold. Yeah. Every episode. It's been making us laugh, been making us cry, and making us really, really go through it.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

And I'm interested to also touch on the concept of fandom. Yes. And I'm curious how close you are to the pit fandom or how much you have been observing it as season two has been airing. Because to clarify, I did not watch season one as it aired.

unknown 2:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

I watched it in December.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

Okay, so wait, so just before this season started. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Absolutely fell in love. I watched it twice in December because I watched it with Phil. And then I watched it when I went home for Christmas with my mom or with my parents. So I watched it all December long, loved it, immediately like kind of searched for people on the internet who loved it. Um, like was like look like on Twitter, like and on TikTok, like trying to find pit things.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

So my girl, you shouldn't have just been on Tumblr.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah. So my algorithm was already kind of beginning to be pit pilled.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

And then and to clarify, I'm a lurker. I'm an internet lurker. I do not post anything. I am not an active participant in anything, but I am a witness and a bystander. And it has been fascinating and a little scary to watch the behavior as season two has aired.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Yeah, it's it's interesting because I only also only recently got threads. I didn't like have it before, or I had it before, but wasn't really using it. And now honestly, everything that's on my threads is either like the pit or formula one. And that's literally it's just those two things that's on there. Um, but I was mostly seeing the pit fandom through Tumblr, and it was just, you know, obviously like reblogging of like gift sets of things. But then of course there's like the post every once in a while where people are doing analysis on the episodes. Yeah. But I feel like you were seeing it differently than I was.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

But obviously, like I'd be hearing like the news of like, you know, casting changes, all of these things, and I know people had very strong reactions to particular casting or like changes, whatever, you know, characters leaving for this season. But I feel like you were experiencing the darker side of this fandom.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Because I feel like the fandom on Twitter specifically. Maybe that's it. Well, Twitter, Twitter is a cesspool. Twitter is a cesspool, and it has been really interesting to watch. Um it is so weird that we have this show that is kind of a celebration of like morally gray, like not morally gray, but like people trying to do good and messing up a lot, and maybe people who have flaws still doing good, and people really making it as black and white as possible, and people really villainizing everybody, yeah, except for their chosen character who they love more than anything. Yeah, I don't there is not a single character on the pit that I hate. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

I fully agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

I the character and I the pit, a lot of people have I really did not fuck with Santos in season one. And I think that there's an oversimplification of her being like, oh, well, her and Langdon are the same, in that they're both aggressive and they're both like kind of arrogant. And if you like Langdon and you hate Santos, you're just a misogynist. It's like, so I think that is an interesting thing that you bring up where we are like, hey, why why do you like Langdon more? However, I think Langdon is given more softness or opportunities for softness than Santos is. Only at the end of season one, when Santos offers Whitaker a place to stay, do we see any kind of softening on her?

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

And she also doesn't risk know what she's doing as much as Langdon. So I think that's an overs oversimplification of it. But obviously, still true, like we should give Santos more grace.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Yeah, yeah, because no, she's also a person.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

She's also a person, but yeah, she makes mistakes, but you know, yeah. I think saying her and Langdon are the same level of arrogance is untrue because he has the softness towards Mel, the entire thing. Yeah, she we don't have that with her, so that's a whole other thing.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Yeah, and he also has way more experience than her from the get-go to.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

But yeah, yeah, but then there is that, hey, do I just like Langdon more because he's I think he's hot. Which I mean he is, which he is, is there something to that? Yeah, probably, but also like I but that's the thing. It's like it's very right. Like it can be true that hey, is our immediate inclination to hate Santo's misogyny? Is it that? And it's the fact that she's like written to be more unlikable than Langdon, like is it all like it there's all these different things, and I think the fandom is crazy oversimplifying everything. It is like team Santos or Team Langdon, which I don't think you have to be. I don't think you have to be that's not what it is.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

No, yeah, it it is always really interesting when female characters are written as quote unquote unlikable because you can write the nicest, like you know, greatest character ever, and people will find a reason to dislike them because they're women, yeah, or that they're women of color. So I think it is interesting when like they are actively portraying her this way, where she's like, she's tough, she doesn't have the greatest bedside manner, she she's like sometimes hard to get along with, you can't always really like shoot the shit with her like you can some other characters. But I think I think regardless of those personality traits, people would find things to dislike about her.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, and it's also like when there's an unlikable female character, are people so excited to have like concrete reasons to hate right?

SPEAKER_02 9:25

That's that's that's what I always think. They're like, but do you see how she talked to her like patients? Do you see how she speaks to Whitaker?

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Like she's a bitch, and it's like, yeah, she shouldn't have done that. Yeah, but the there are there aren't a ton of characters I hate in media as a adult person. Walter White comes to mind. I hate Walter White, I have no sympathy for Walter White. That is one character that I fucking hate.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

But people put all the blame on Skylar. Skylar. When Walter White is the one who's actively making these decisions, but then that's again fucking misogyny.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

That's my that actually that is my misogyny test. I ask people how they feel about Skylar White, and if they hate Skylar White, I'm like, you just hate women because Skylar White did nothing wrong. They're like, she cheated. I'm like, no, she didn't, they were separated, he wouldn't give her a divorce. Yeah. End of story. Skylar White did nothing fucking wrong.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah. Um so yeah, so that's so that's interesting of like is the way that we feel about Trinity Santos, you know, embedded in misogyny.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Yeah, and I that like that's something to think about. Like that is something that I I walked away being like, yeah, do I dislike her because she is written? Or I did I dislike her season one because she was written to be more unlikable. I do think Loki she was. Like there wasn't a lot of but and also is it because we all just want the chance to hate a woman without feeling any kind of guilt about it, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's also like, and it could just be she's written like this to be different from the other characters, be different from the other female doctors, nurses, whoever. And they were like, She and I don't know, she unfortunately needs to be this type of character. But yeah, it's maybe maybe if anything, this is just giving us an excuse for our you know ingrained misogyny that men and women have.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

But also, it's a test for people that just because she is unlikable in ways, that doesn't make her the villain. No, that doesn't mean she's bad, which is very accurate to real life, where someone can be like kind of a bitch to you and you can be like fuck them, but they're not a bad person. Yeah, and you have to like see the try and empathize and understand where they're coming from and what has informed that. And that doesn't mean that you can't be offended or be like, well, that was still not cool. Yeah, that can still be not okay that they did something, yeah, but they're not a black and white villain. No, absolutely, like Trinity Santos is like kind of a bitch to her coworkers, but she still like saves lives, you know?

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Yeah, she still wants to do a good job, she wants to be a good doctor, yeah, but she's still she's still getting there, she's just not there yet. And she's also just like traumatized, yeah. And she is constantly like you know, being called out for her behavior, and sometimes she changes, other times she doesn't. And maybe that could also be a thing of like people are thinking that she doesn't change and that she's like continuously still being this like abrasive person who doesn't know how to speak to her co-workers or her patients, yeah. But yet she cares so much. She cares, she might end up jumping to conclusions because she cares so much, but she cares.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

And that is I think something I think her her thing with Langdon this season is a lot of the behavior of being really insensitive to the situation and being really mean to him when he comes back is something that she was her first assumption for it that she was then that was then reiterated to her by Robbie. So that's why it's like an even like well in Robbie's set, like she's also learning by example in a bad way from Robbie because he's actively suicidal and like mean. Yeah, um, but she like like Robbie more than Rob because she's not as like far gone as Robbie. She really cares and she really does want to help people. End of season one. She she lets Whitaker live with her rent-free. End of season two, she invites Mel out. She's like, girl, let's go out. Yeah, she wants community.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

Yeah, she's also like admitting that she's had a really fucking hard day. Yeah. And wants to be able to like do something that like doesn't take make her take this home with her.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

So she is growing. Like she's she's changed a lot from season one. I think it's maybe more obvious for some other characters how they have changed after this like second shift that we've seen of them. And hers have been more subtle, but I think they they are still there. I think they're powerful for her like character trajectory. Yeah, like like she's she's a different person now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Yeah. And I'm interested to see how her, if she has a friendship with Mel and Langdon has a friendship with Mel, or something as something with Mel. How Mel and we'll get to that. How Mel maybe is kind of like a tool to get them to patch things up.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, because like she she basically takes everything about Langdon personally, yeah, and she was very upset, like him coming back, and she was like, Everyone still treats me like a pariah because I'm the one who told on him.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

And I'm like, I don't think that's the reason why people are treating you like a pariah, but like, yeah, and Garcia's read of her, which is first of all, no one no one really knows what happened. Yes, and Garcia's read of they don't treat you like a pariah because you turn them in, they treat you like a pariah because you're mean to people. Yes, exactly. Which is uh like a the self-fulfilling self-sabotage prophecy of like I am miserable and then I'm a bitch to people because I'm miserable, and then people are mean to people don't want to connect with me because I'm a bitch to them, but they it's really because they can tell that I'm a bad person, and then that's gonna make me more miserable. It's it's the whole that is exactly really hard to dig yourself out of.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

Yeah, yeah. And like, and she's like pissed that like Langan's being welcomed back with like open arms, which he isn't. No, no, no. I mean, maybe by a couple people, but like it's a people, yeah, by Mel and like you know, like the nurses and stuff, and like like Dana, but it's like it's a people who also don't know what happened, but they could also have probably have more empathy than Santos might have. She she is in the hard position of being one of the few people who actually knows what happened, so so I can see why she's like upset about that, and it seems like he's coming back and there's like kind of like no consequences, but there there are, there's so many consequences for what he did.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

I don't even think that people like I don't think anyone was that super welcoming to him. Like, first of all, no one reached out to him while he was gone. Oh, yeah, that's true. They didn't, and I think that everyone was just kind of like, hey, you're back, okay, good to see you. Like that was kind of it.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah, it felt like, oh, that's my coworker. I haven't seen him in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Hey, something happened. I'm not gonna pry, but like, good to see you. Let's carry on with our days. The only person that was like, I'm really glad you're back is Mel. Yeah. Oh my god, Mel was head over heels. Mel was like, she was kicking her heels, she was literally kicking her heels.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

I love Mel. Okay, since we're talking about Langdon and Mel, let's let's talk about Langdon and Mel. Let's get into it. Oh my god. Al Allie is in the boat of the people who ship Langdon and Mel. I won't say that I'm not, but also I would be fine if that like wasn't a thing that happened as well. I just I really, really love their friendship. I love the rapport. Whatever, whatever relationship they have, I love it. You're not on the ship, you're like on the dock and you're considering boarding.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

And I would like wave to them. I'd be like, You're like waving as we like circle the as we circle the harbor, and you're like, maybe I'll board soon, but like I might just stay on the dock, and I respect that. Yeah, I so I know the actors really want it to stay platonic.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Oh, they but also they I feel like they honestly talk about it so much that it's like, are you it's a little suspicious? Are you are you covering something else?

SPEAKER_01 18:30

It's a little suspicious.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Um also stop then being such flirty characters to each other.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Uh they're also like, well, you never see male and female friendships on in media. I'm like, what about every other male-female friend relationship in the show?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

But all right, legit, like everybody's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Whatever. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Um I mean, other than when Dr. Jack Abbott is flirting with everybody, but that's just because he's yeah, that's just him.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I just think also everyone's like, well, he's married. First of all, to who I haven't met her, so I don't know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

We don't know her. We don't know her. We saw that ring, we also saw another ring in that finale. Very different situation.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Very different situation. I have not met her, I do not, I don't know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

I literally don't know her.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

All I've been told about that marriage is that it's like maybe not great. Yeah, that's all I know about that marriage. Um, and you know who else was married? McDreamy. Yeah, I don't really care. It's a television show, and we that that like we have met so many people's family, like we've met Robbie's stepson, we've met uh McKay's son and her ex-husband. We've met Mel's sister. I have not met this wife. If she comes on in season three and she's great, and I see their marriage and it's great, and like sure, I will happily be like, okay, I see sure. But all I'm seeing right now is Mel having a little bit of a crush on the hot doctor who lets her finish her sentences, yeah. And Langdon being like, I really like talking to you. I really like talking to you. Would you like me to turn the lights off? Would you like me to turn the lights off? Like, let's watch the fireworks together. Yeah, just that last scene of them. Oh my god, they were like off to the side, the lighting was soft, they were they're just so gentle with one another. Honestly, also Oath being fucking nerds about like his like okay, that's the thing. I'm like, what are you trying to tell me here? That they're like friend soulmates, that's not what I'm getting from.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Sorry, but legit with that scene though, I was like, I had one foot on the ship. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck is happening? Right? That yeah, I I love I love your description of it being so gentle, yeah, because that's exactly what it was. And like you you don't see either of those characters speaking to anyone else like that, and yes, you can have platonic friendships like that that are that close, that gentle, that whatever, but there's also but that's also can be a romantic relationship as well, can I?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

I'm watching a TV show, and I personally find it more interesting to see that in a romantic relationship than in a friend relationship. Oh, yeah. That's a more compelling story. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yes, yeah. Also, again, it's like as people who watch the show, we're not pulling this out of our fucking ass. Yeah. The unless it's just the actors who are taking this script into a different direction than what's written on that fucking page. I don't know what to tell you. Like you're telling us something as the writers of this show.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I just all I and you know what? Again, I am on. I am seeing the tweets, so I I maybe my I am being biased in some way, and I'm seeing things how I'm things are being presented to me in a certain way, but I there are just a lot of little hints and little scenes here and there that I'm like, I see something. Yes, I see something too I'm not blind, maybe I'm just too like rom-com brained.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

I don't know. But but also like I don't think there's anything wrong with them being like, and if they're doing this on purpose or not, of giving you something to root for in a show that can be objectively devastating. At the end of by like by the end of every episode. So it's like here's here's just like here's just a tender moment between two people that hope that maybe like lifts your spirits. Thank you for providing me with that while watching this show.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

And so, okay, that kind of brings me to another subject where I've read a lot, I've read interviews with the two of them, like the actors playing Langdon and Mel, where they're like, it's not that kind of show. Like no one's it's not Grace Anatomy, no one's gonna be like hooking up in the uh supply closet, which I'm like, I that's not what I'm asking for. It's not what I want. I know.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

I know so it's only in one day, they could have happened at any time.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I don't like it's like I don't need that. That's not why I'm here. No, um, I just like how like soft and gentle they are with each other, yeah. But I think this show has an interesting dilemma between realism and the fact that it's a TV show. Yeah, a TV show that's trying to depict real life, a TV show that's trying to depict real life over the course of one day. Yeah. Because on one hand, like we have like okay, like these actors have been like, well, it's a TV show, like it's it's not a Gray's Anatomy, it's real life. Like he's he's married, like there, and I'm like, okay, that happens in real life, first of all.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Also, I've never once thought that Gray's anatomy is real life. No, like everyone has a fresh blowout. No one in Grey's Anatomy is not real life. Everyone's making it out in the supply closet every because that's not real life. You don't have a room for that.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Everybody on that show has a baby with every single different couple. Everybody has been together and had a baby and then been with somebody else and had a baby, and everybody has six children. Yes, yeah. Um but I do think they've kind of like they're in this unfortunate, not unfortunate, it's like it's a TV show, so some things need to have a thematic structure, some things need to be built up to, and then at the same time, it is well, we're trying to make it realistic as possible, and it's a line that I think they're like kind of just barely straddling, and it's like hard to do it as it keeps moving. And like I was finishing after I finished the episode, Phil turned to me and he was like, There were just so many things in like the beginning of the season that like never really came back. Like, um, like AI was such a big thing in the beginning, it never came back. Like Santos took a knife, it never came back. Like, or a scalpel, like it never came back. Like, there's so many things that never came back. And then I read all these are and I was like, yeah, but like it's real life, like you know, like it's one day, like things are never gonna be paid off, and like and then I read these articles in a lot of like you know, like variety and places like that that are like, yeah, like that's what's great, like it's so realistic, like things aren't not gonna be figured out over the course of one day. Like it's it's good that we didn't see where Robbie ended up doing, like what he ended up doing, yeah, yeah. But it is also a TV show, yeah. And don't we also still kind of want some kind of ending?

SPEAKER_02 26:28

We I I think if anything in a show that's like truly trying to depict real life in this way, because it is a TV show, we still want some of the fantasy. Yeah, and it you know, like regardless of how much we're like, oh, this is the real true to life depiction of being adapter in the emergency department. It's the only thing I've ever seen like it, but also it's a TV show that comes on at 9 p.m. on Thursdays, where's my where's a little bit of my fantasy, you know? Like, yeah, and I think where's my escape?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

And I think that that is what's creating such a insane fandom in that there is only so much stuff on the TV that is canon, that is true. Yeah, so there's so much that you have to fill in the blank. People are treating it like it is a who-done it, like it's severance, and everything is a clue. That's not what's happening, and people need to stop doing that. But there is like so much of it is asking you to infer things, like, yeah, clearly something happened. What's not just what do we think happened? And then I watch an interview with Issa Brionis, and she's like, Oh, yeah, like I talked to the showrunner, and like this is the background, she used to be a gymnast, she used to do that, and I'm like, What? I think that they're releasing too much information in like interviews, yes, and then and then people are latching onto that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

They're not actually providing us on the show.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Like, I think that the the problem, it's not a problem, but the show's gist of only being one day is like only so much information is presented to you. Yeah, think about it, make your own interpretations, and then on the other side, we're being given almost more information about these characters outside of the show, yeah, and it's creating this weird dichotomy.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Yeah, yeah, and maybe it's because of that, like because we we have known these people for two days, yeah. It's been two days, not not even a full 24 hours of shift, it's been two days, it's been 30 hours that we've known these people. So I think, like you were saying, maybe for some reason, like you know, the actors desire to know more about their own characters, and then therefore they're giving the fans more information than we are legitimately provided.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

But like well, that I mean, that's an actor's job is to make an entire character. Yes, yeah, and and to make uh to interpret things the way they say, Oh, well, I think that they deliver this line this way because I think this happened to them with it. Like, it is an actor's job to be given uh the information that is set in stone by the writer, showrunner, yeah, and then do their own interpretation of it, yeah. But I don't think we need to know that information. We don't need to know it because all it's doing is like creating mass delusion, yes, yeah, like and and again, I feel like we've we've talked about this before of like fans of people thinking they're owed something, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

And I'm like, just be glad we have this fucking show, they don't owe you anything.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

They don't, I don't like I don't want to know until it's presented in the show because all it's doing is creating confusion. Like, I think that Sean Hatsey revealed like months ago that Abbott is a widower. I had no fucking idea until he told me on the show. You said that you were like, oh my god, and his wife is dead. And I was like, I already knew that because he must have said that in an interview like a while ago, yeah, being like, Oh yeah, the writer told me that he's a widower. So like that that led to my interpretation of this, of this character. And so I've just known that. So it wasn't a reveal, it wasn't a oh my god, that really recontextualizes everything I've known about this character. It was I was already told that in an interview, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

And see, like that information is good, like you were saying, for the actor, for them to create this character, but there's so many things, especially with the show that takes place in one day, you don't always reveal that shit to people you work with. Yeah, some people don't know anything about your personal life, and sometimes that can be on purpose. Other times people share their personal life all the time. It all depends on the person. You know, sometimes maybe too much about people's personal lives, but like there's one thing of like the actor knowing this in order to create a compelling and truthful character. Like that, I think that would have been great insider, you know, insider baseball information about uh Dr. Abbott. But like we didn't need to know that until the show told us that.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Which is maybe an uh indictment of me being too online. Because I think if I like called my parents who watch the show and I was like, what do you think about Abbott being a widower? They would have been like, oh man, that was such like a sad review. Like I had no idea. Like they wouldn't know, like the average viewer doesn't know. If you're like super on Twitter and like super on, like take a personal interest in like actor interviews and like love to read interviews about actors' process, yeah, you're gonna know that because he revealed it there. Yeah, that's a me thing. That might be a me thing, yeah. But I think it also speaks to the fan of behavior, yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

And I think it's like like no fault of like the actors, you know, revealing this information, but it does, I think, you know, it it feeds the beast in a way because it is giving us information that is not canon, although this one was made canon because it was revealed to us, yeah. But then it's suddenly of like all of the fans of the show or so-called fans of this show, some people should not be allowed to be have the honor of being called fans of the show, it can create problems of them like thinking they're owed something by people who just wanted to create a TV show about doctors.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah, I mean, and if you want to watch this TV show, and I think that it is a ripe opportunity for interpretation, how absolutely want to interpret it, like that is a beautiful opportunity to make art. Like, if you think like if you want to watch the show and then go on and like do fan art and fan fiction, like do all of these things, that's great, go for it. That is awesome, but don't expect the show to follow your version because they have a source of truth that we're just have to find out over watching, and it's we're never gonna know the entire story that like the actors are given to create a backstory for their character, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

And and just to have that backstory so that they can portray this character on this day, yeah, and like and then the people who are like, Well, I wanted this to happen, or I think this should happen based on this one little thing that happened in episode like five, and then they're like pissed that this thing didn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Yeah, it's like just appreciate what art is being given and then run with it beyond that, but like know that like if you want to say, Hey, like I think this, I'm gonna rewrite this scene how I think I want to do it, and you want to like share that, great, go for it. But you don't need to like don't be mad that that's not what's that's not yeah, that's not what actually happened.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Yeah, I mean, there's been like things that I've like watched and I was like, while the ending was terrible, yeah, this one ending could have been way better ending, but also I'm not about to be like, hey, you all suck, you ruined this movie for me because you wrote a bad ending. Yeah, like you can be mad about it and you can have your opinion, but it's just like yeah, nothing's going to change because they already made the thing. I think the other thing is like the show is still good, yeah. Like is that also like I feel like people doing all of that just like isn't that just making you enjoy it less?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Yeah, like I really enjoyed season one. I and part of me is like, did I enjoy season season one so much more because it was I was able to a binge it, b it was was it a stronger season? And C, did I just like not have anyone in my fucking ear telling me how to feel?

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Yeah, good good question. Yeah, I so I watched season one as it was airing. And honestly, like I'm I'm someone who prefers a week-to-week show. Like, I mean, I'll I'll watch a show that's bingeable, whatever, like you know, Netflix always releases full season, sure. But I always get like overwhelmed by the amount of episodes I have to watch when you release a full season, and then it takes me days to finish it, whereas like actively being like, oh, I'm going to binge this, and you will watch all of it just because you really, really wanted to. Yeah. So, but I'm like a person who likes to have the one episode a week. You can digest that, you have something you are excited about coming back to the next one. I yeah, and I think this show, although it is bingeable, sure, I mean every episode goes into the next like immediately. But like I think this show benefits from being a week-to-week show because you can really you can really like delve deep into it. It can really like it can really like get into your system of like what happened versus like fully binging it. You it's like a one and done, and you watched everything. So I feel like there can be times when you like binge something and you end up missing a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Um, but yeah, I don't know where I was going with that.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

I agree with that, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Um no, I I mean there this season obviously it didn't have like a mass trauma event, which I appreciate because I think if they try to just do that every season, it will become Grey's Anatomy. Oh, it'll be like, oh, a plague into the hospital.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Like, no, right, yeah, and like they almost kind of like did that. It was like, oh, there was like a cyber attack.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

They kept like yeah, breadcrumbing it, like they kept being like, we're gonna do it. Oh no, it actually is fine. Oh, we're gonna water slide.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Oh no, it's fine, which I and then you like got a couple people from the water slide there.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

I liked I liked that they kept messing with our expectations on that. Yeah, but one thing about this season that I didn't like as much is I think the patient stories were much more um compelling in season one. Like I there was not a single episode in season one where I didn't cry about a patient. Oh, yeah. Whereas this season I found many of the patient stories a little lacking, but then I was thinking about it and kind of talking it, talking about it, and I feel like season one was very much like a worst day in the career. Yeah, sure, absolutely season two felt more like a really bad typical day, sure. Yes, like we did not have like children actively dying left and right, we did not have a mass trauma, it was just like really burnt out people kind of having like a typical day where stuff just like sucked, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

And and I also think, too, what can come from like experiencing the worst day of your life at a job can continue to affect you on a regular day. It can it can make a regular day the worst day ever.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Because if you are unhappy or miserable or depressed or anything, sometimes all it takes is like one inconvenience to send you over the edge. For example, when I'm really in a bad spot mentally, and then I go to do laundry and all the washing machines in my building are taken, and then I come back up and I cry because I'm like, I can't handle the washing machines. I'll be like, that's sometimes all it takes.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

It's just like one kind, kind of shitty day. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

And it's all of these, and what I do like about that is you get all of these different people reacting to the same things differently. Whereas like Javati's like, why would you want to work in the ED? Look what this place does to you, yeah, but yet her interpretation of working in the ED, yeah, she realizes how tough it is. She's not on the edge like Robbie is. Yeah. Like, even if she had been working as long as he has, she still might have a different outlook mentality about it. Be like, this is fucking hard, and this is the hardest thing that I've ever done.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

But she might not ever be like, but what if I died because of it? You know, like so, so that they are all experiencing quote unquote the same thing, yeah, and interpreting it very, very differently.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

So I think that is one of like the pluses of the show is like, yeah, they don't all have the same cases, but a lot of them do. And like when they were working on that mother who was doing that fucking free birth. Oh my god. And the fact that they like were thought they were also gonna not only gonna lose her, but also lose the baby. And Robbie was working on her, but he was more concerned about the baby. And when they you know find out that the baby's fine, he immediately was like, Okay, thank god I have to get out of here and deal with the emotions that this is like bringing up. Whereas like Abbott's over there and it's like, Great, we saved them. Yeah, you know, so like they're literally experiencing the same thing, but also experiencing it very, very differently.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

So yeah, very true, very true. Um, yeah, I think of like the joxtaposition between Jabadi and Whitaker being basically at the same point in med school residency, basically, yeah, and her being like, fuck no, and him being like, Isn't this awesome? Or like Ogilvi and Joy, and Joy being like, I don't want to be here and I'm clocking out, versus Ogilvie being like ruined by the day, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Full full on breakdown, yeah, and like I can't see a world where he would come back after this, yeah. Or like and also like, but Joy's not coming back for a completely different reason. Yeah, you know, like she's also because like this is crazy. Why would I do this?

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Or like Emma and Dana, like would like after Emma's the one attacked, and she's like, No, I'm I I am good, I'm gonna be stronger from this. Like, I am not gonna I'm not gonna quit. And Dana being like, This makes me want to quit. Yes, like I know, and she wasn't even the one attacked, but yeah, Dana has all those years and the previous trauma of being attacked.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yes, yeah, yeah, that that look like Emma's fire of like this is where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, and Dana's like, I've been here too long, yeah. You know, like yeah, yeah, and I think that is what's so interesting about this show, too, of having like the med students or like you know, first year residents, whatever juxtaposed with the you know, senior members of the team who have been doing this for years and years and somehow managed to come back every day. Yeah. And I I also know watching this show, uh like other than like the obvious reasons why I couldn't be a doctor, um I could not do this. No, oh my god, it it would break me. Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah. And it's one thing if like you're gonna be like um you know, like a doctor who you know has like has their own like office and they have appointments, and that's when they see people and they only see a couple people a day, like an internist or something like that. Yeah, an internist, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, like having that like quote unquote slower life as a doctor, other than being an ED doctor. I know for a fact that like working in the ED would not be something that I could handle. No.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

One of my friend from college, she texted uh me, she was her boyfriend, just started watching it or watched it all and like started season one and like watched the whole thing in like just two weeks. And it was really funny that like us both watching it, like I walked away, or she was like, Yeah, he's he walked away being like, Wow, like, should I be a doctor? And I was like, That's so funny because I walked away being like, Should I be an actor? Like, it's so funny that that was our two. She was like, Should I be an actor, Patricia? Should I I was like, should I be an actor portraying a doctor? And he was like, Should I be a doctor? Um I love that. Just really funny.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

That's hilarious. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, it is interesting just seeing when you get outside of like, you know, the the monster part of the fandom of just like how this has like deeply affected so many people in so many different ways. Like honestly, that's like it sounds so cheesy, but like that's like the power of television. It's telling it's telling stories about people. At the end of the day, that's that's what every show is trying to do, and it's trying to show real people and that people are different and that people are flawed and that people make mistakes, but that people are also good and that they care, yeah, and that they like love other people and they have the capacity to love. Yeah, so yeah. Oh man, um, can we talk about Dr. Jack Abbott?

SPEAKER_01 45:04

We can talk about Dr. Jack Abbott, but then we get to talk about Robbie.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Yes, okay. Okay, we can talk about Abbott really quick and the fact that I love him so much. I mean, he's like he's the love of my life, yeah. Like the greatest guest star actor character to ever exist, I think. Yeah, and it is also kind of crazy that like his character immediately took the world by storm. Yeah, everyone is immediately latched onto him, and it was kind of incredible. Yeah, and I and I love that for Sean Hannesy, he deserves that. He does a fucking Emmy for this.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

I and I love I loved in the last episode where you see him like doing his like silly little chant with the night. Oh my gosh. And I just love like you can just tell he like runs that shit in like such a fun and healthy way. Yes, where he's just like, we are the night crawlers, crawlers of the night.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Like just what he basically is like, oh, like we're the weirdos, and like yeah, I love him.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

I love him. I love him, I love him.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

He can no wrong. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

All of the tweets about how everyone on the night shift is just like hot and chill.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Like it was like some tweet when Mateo came back and he was like, Oh, and it was like Mateo's back, and he drank the the juice they serve to night shift only that makes you hot and relaxed.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

I mean, honestly, Mateo was having the time of his life being on night shift. Mateo was like, Thank god. He was like, he was like, he was like, Hey girl, hey Jabadi, you want to come join the night shift girl? And she was like, That's crazy, why would I do that?

SPEAKER_01 46:44

And he was like, You really should. It's it's pretty great. He's like, You will become the hottest version of yourself, yeah. And he was like, I really want that for you.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

It's been really good for me. I want that just like winking, wink wink. Oh man, okay, yes, night shift, the best.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Which is why I'm excited to see Alice next season under I assume Robbie's reign, being like, You need to relax.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

Literally, why am I here? Why did I do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. Okay, speaking of Robbie, yeah. What what do we got? There's there's so much to unpack about Robbie. Can I also first say real quick? Yeah, I my mom was a very, very big ER fan. So I watched a lot of ER when I was a kid. Love. And oh my god. Noah Wiley in the 90s as like an untested doctor. Yeah. The hottest thing ever. Even before when I even before I realized like what hot it was, I was like, it's Noah Wiley as Dr. John Carter.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

My mom incredible. My mom was also a huge ER fan, and Carter was her favorite, or it might have been right after George Clooney. Yeah. But she loved John Carter. She actually cannot watch anything with David Crumholtz in it because she's still so mad at him for stabbing Carter and killing Lucy. Like every year when we watch Home Alone, she goes, I hate that guy. Not Home Alone, sorry. Um the Santa Claus. She goes, Oh, yes, that guy.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

I there there are so many episodes of that show that traumatized me that I was like, Mom, why are you watching this? Turn it off. And she would be like, Honey, I can't. If you can't watch it, you need to leave the room.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

And like that was like one of them.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

There's also like she hates David Crumholt with a fiery passion. I'm like, Mom, I'm sure he's like a really nice guy. She's like, I don't care. I hate him. He killed Lucy. Like, she loved Lucy. She's like, I I hate him. Oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so like coming into this, that was also a huge reason why I was watching The Pit. It's not that I needed to have another medical drama in my life. I mean, I feel like everybody should have at least one. And if you're gonna do it, it should be the pit.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

But I was like, please will not do Chicago med.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Oh, I watched that shit. I love it. Um insane, Katie. I love I've been watching the Chicago shows for 15 years, Allie. Thank you very much. I started oh my god, we're not. We can't talk about it. Um, so I immediately was like, Noah Wiley playing a doctor. I'm here for it. Yeah. So that's that's Amelia was like, oh, I'm watching this, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

And I'm so glad that I did.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Noah Wiley is such a phenomenal actor. He truly, truly is the things he does with Robbie, his physical performance, his always just on the verge of tears performance. Um because a lot of I take I whatever. Um it is sometimes it's more fascinating to see an actor on the verge of tears than in tears. Um, that was something I read about Rose Byrne. If I had like sidekick you, because she's always kind of acting like she's about to cry. He is so phenomenal, and he is I think it's really ballsy that this season was all about him being like the biggest dick on earth because he's suicidal.

unknown 50:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

I actually texted Laura and I was like, Yeah, we all have suicidal personas. Some some of us it's kind of like a drunk persona. Like when I was when I was really, really depressed freshman year, my persona was weepy. Some people have some people are evil. Dr. Robbie is evil when he is suicidal.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

He went for the worst version of himself.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

He is a monster, but also that is a subconscious pushing people away. Yeah. And he is so fucking phenomenal in this show. He is so fucking phenomenal in this show. Like, enough cannot be said about that.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

No, and like there's there's a reason why Noah Wiley is leading this show. Yeah, he he he is a leader, he's a true leader if I've ever seen one.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

But we have a fandom problem, yeah, where they all hate him.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

They they put every single issue that they have onto him.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

They think that he is Dr. Robbie, maybe, and they think that Dr. Robbie being mean to Mohan is Noah Wiley hating Sapria Ganesh and like wanting to get rid of her from the wanting to get rid of her because he hates women and he hates minorities and he is evil. And yeah, I don't get it. There is like some reports of like him maybe being kind of problematic back on the set of ER in like the 90s, which yeah, but like not in like a really bad way, more just in like a he was kind of a dick to his co-workers way. But it seems like he's remedied it and grown. And I and similar to the pit, I don't think anyone should be canceled for like kind of being a dick to their coworkers, like unless it's like canceled for that, unless they're like racist or like homophobic, or like I mean, speaking of things that happened on Grey's Anatomy, yeah, you know, like yeah, like I don't know, so uh yeah, they really hate Noah Wiley, just like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

I yeah, because also if you just if you just watch an interview with him and you're like, oh, he's just like a kind, nice person who cares about this show, yeah, who cares about what they're making, who cares about what stories they're trying to tell, and loves his fucking wife. Oh my god, he loves his wife so much. You know, it's like that's that's what I'm getting from him from this person who I don't know and doesn't owe me fucking shit. No, you know, so I don't know. I'm just I I always think of like how does that help you to like behave this way towards literal people, literal strangers?

SPEAKER_01 53:34

And they're like, oh my god, this whole sea season was just about like Robbie's problems. I'm like, yeah, he's the main character. He's the main fucking character. Like, you're allowed to like like another character more, absolutely, but he's the main character, and I don't think you realize how much how many people watch this show because it's John Carter, and also he's a fucking phenomenal actor, he's phenomenal, he's really good. This is not like a show built around someone who like kind of sucks, he's really good, he's a compelling ass watch, yes, yeah. He's a compelling character, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

Um so yeah, yeah, crazy. That's interesting, but you know, whatever. At the end of the day, I love this show. I love this show. Who's your favorite character, Katie? Um, so that's a really, really good question because I love so many of them.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Um I mean, Robbie's obviously up there. Um, I really, really love Dana.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Um, I I was I found it so hilarious, like Javati this season of her like, you know, making like those TikToks to like, you know, get out information to people. I think that was great. Um, I mean, of course I love Mel. Um I was gonna sound like a broken record if I say that Abbott is my favorite character, but I think that he is. Um but Dana might be my favorite character. Okay. I really, really loved her this season. Yeah, especially what she was that that episode with like the the rape kit.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Yeah, that that was powerful, and all of yeah, all of her conversations with Robbie this season. Yes, I think.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Yes, not only with Robbie but with Emma. Good, yeah, and also with um Digby. Yes, with Digby. Yeah, yeah. I just I really really loved what they were doing with her character this season.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

But I I truly this this is an ensemble cast if you've ever seen one.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Oh my god, I love every single person in this cast.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

You you can't have so many of these characters without the others, like they almost don't exist without each other.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

It's in the later half of this season when the characters would like leave for the end of the shift. I'd be like, no, like when you're like, we're not gonna see you again when princess left when Dana was like, Oh, you're going you're I was like, no, yeah, Princess, I wouldn't go.

SPEAKER_02 56:14

I was like, what about the one guy that you were flirting with? What about that?

SPEAKER_01 56:16

I'm like what about the radiologist? I'm like, Princess, please do not go. Princess, I'm so like I love Princess and Pearla. I would give anything like that. I would give anything to get a drink with Princess and Pearla. Like, I need to be their friend.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Yes. Oh man. Yeah, who's your favorite character? Um, Mel. I do Mel is so incredible.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

I love I think it's like I actually don't think I Mel would be my favorite character in another person's hands. Something about Taylor Dearden's performance. Speaking of breaking back. So and her Nepo father, because she and her nepo father. Who was Brian Cranston who I love. That's who we Phil and I call old Brian Cranston now a Nepo father because we're like, well, he would be nothing without um Mel. But no, uh, she I feel like took a character that maybe could have been like kind of annoying or like boring on paper. Every time Mel, I she oh my god, I laugh. Like every Mel scene we watch like three times. Like, well, in that episode where she's like with the paper shredder and she's like, beep, beep, like let me come through, beep, beep.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

And then she like she made she made Issa break. Did you see the smile attempted in the scene? Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

She is so funny. The okay, the karaoke scene.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

The physical the physical acting of Mel.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

The physical acting is so funny. Like she's so and then I like I've said I love her relationship with Langdon. There, whenever those two have scenes together, I it's so compelling.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

It's so funny. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

So yeah, no, Mel is my fave.

unknown 57:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Wow. We okay. We we did it. We did our we did our first bonus episode about our favorite show to pit. And you know what? We might do more of these, and they might be a bunch of random things. They will be we just want to talk about, and I love that for us.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

I'm trying to think what else we would do them about, but I don't know. I don't know. Like we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

I don't know. Well, yeah, until 2027 for the pit, but you know, yeah, we'll see you. Amazing. I love this. I love you. I love you, Allie.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

I love you, Katie. Aww. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Okay, well, this was so much fun. This was really fun. We'll talk to you again soon. I hope you guys enjoy this bonus episode. Like us, rate us, review us, follow us on Instagram, all the usual. Pretty please. Pretty please, tell us how much you love the pit.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Tell us how much you love the pit, and then make this episode so popular that next year we can just do a pit pod.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

Called the pit.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

Called the pit.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

The pit.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

Okay, bye!

unknown 59:02

Bye!