Greg Furman - Actor, Director, Writer

Joining me this week, Greg Furman

Greg is an Actor, Writer, Director, Voice Actor and Composer, so many hats. Greg first appeared on the screen when he was cast in a principle role in the feature film The Last Keepers.

Between training with The Groundlings and Upright Citizen's Brigade, Greg was hired as a writer by comedian Andy Dick before garnering attention in the social media sphere for his Acting / Writing abilities. His written work has been played on screen by comedian David Spade, while collaborations / clientele include Cedric The Entertainer, Steve-O and several major comedy influencers who are now considered pioneers of the social media sketch comedy movement. 

Greg made his directorial debut with a project he wrote, produced, edited, scored and starred in called JOE, which went on to win Best Comedy Short Film at Burbank International Film Festival. You would have heard his voice acting too on the hit Marvel Zombies, where we plays Thor. 

I had a wonderful time speaking with Greg. Enjoy

JOE Trailer

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Your Life and Film. I'm your host, Ted Bennett. Joining me this week, Greg Furman. Greg is a filmmaker, an actor, director, a writer, a voice actor. He's a man who wears a dozen hats. Uh during our recording he wasn't wearing any hat, um other than interviewee. You may recognise Greg's voice. He was the voice of Thor in Marvel Zombies. It's pretty cool. We talk about that briefly. We also talk about other things. Uh namely his film Joe, which is I saw in Glasgow when we were both up for an award. Neither of us won. Well they won. I didn't win anything. Not better. Let it go. Anyway, here is Greg. Enjoy.

SPEAKER_05 0:37

So what have you been up to? Not much, man. You know, just just um just getting stuff together. Just trying to do the whole uh taking our this Joe film. Yeah. And uh we kind of built upon it, and um, we're doing the doing the rounds right now to try and get this proof of concept off the ground. And so we've been taking meetings, which has been nice, and it's just been it's been a lot of a lot of that. So you're gonna try and do feature of it. We're gonna try and do an anthology series. So we actually have um Yeah, we have a bunch of other characters that that have kind of written out of just all these like ancillary forgotten about characters that um we want to create these like dark comedic parody origin stories for. And so we ended up getting um Do you know Richard Kind? Yeah, yeah. So he's he's an incredible, amazing, lovely, lovely human being. And he actually he joined us for our proof of concept. So he loved the whole thing, and so we kind of have him as like this archivist, essentially. And so we shot this whole thing with him where he plays an archivist and he's kind of like the audience is looking in and like taking over for his position. Beautiful. And then he just like pops the movie in and he introduces it, and he's like, this is one of my favorites, and and then it just like shows Joe. And then at the end, it's like he's got a bunch of other ones that he's ready to like pop in the VCR, and so kind of like packaged it that way, and it's been it's been we're trying to see what we can do with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

So, how did you get uh Richard the kind?

SPEAKER_05 2:03

We got Richard by so my my wife, um Haley, is uh she worked with him on uh this show called the Goldbergs.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Oh, I didn't realize he was on the Goldbergs at any point.

SPEAKER_05 2:16

Yeah, so he he ended up doing a he he was on the Goldbergs for I think a few episodes, and then uh we were kind of just like sitting around and was like, maybe you should ask Richard. And like she doesn't like talk to him. I mean, I mean she and she like looked online, she's like, oh my god, he follows me. And we're like, oh my god. Like, why not just like send us in the DM? Like maybe, maybe I mean like why not, right? And so it it went from like a you know what? Screw it. Like, what's the worst that happens? Like he never reads it or like doesn't answer it. And he and he did. He responded, he was like, I guess his assistant responded and was like, Oh, he would love to like here's his number and here's everything, and like he'd love to grab lunch with you. And so they reconnected, and she had sent him the materials, and uh he was like, I love it, I love it, I love it. Let's put like put my name on it and we'll do it, and you know, sounds great, sounds great. And so um it it uh was a wonderful kind, by the way. Well done. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, so the rest is history. We shot it like about a month and a half ago, and um stitched it. I like edited it everything together and and stitched it to the uh to Joe, and it's it's nice. It's like it's got some cool got like an old TV and like I edited Joe to play through the TV. It's like it works, it works. Yeah, definitely it works, and we're happy with it, and we turned it around as fast as we could. Um and so now we're just you know seeing seeing what what we can catch. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

I mean, I will say when uh when Joe started playing when I saw it, I was like, what's going on here? What's this? What's happening? Sorry, so niche. And then the moment I realized what was going, I was like, oh fucking well done. Like I was so sold. I was like, this is fucking excellent. And then I like my brother lives in uh Edinburgh, so we were in Glasgow for that festival. And then I drove over to see my brother, and I was like, I just saw a great short. And he was like, Oh, really? And I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me explain it to you. And I explained it, and I thought he might not he might not quite get it, and then he was like, That sounds fucking brilliant. And I was like, it was so yeah, well done, man. That's bad, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Dude, you too, man. I mean, I real terror is great. I I love I was wish I could have seen it um in person because it would have been really cool for us to get across the pond and uh experience the festival, but man, awesome. So I mean, I'm uh anything film-related, obviously, is is is is even just like an extra benefit to see like the world of film where you're like watching it, it's cinematic, but then you're talking about cinema at the same time, and it's like, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Very well shot. Oh, thanks. Uh Lou, our cinematographer, he was an absolute beaut. And he as soon as he sort of understood the sort of uh how much passion was coming from me and my performers and everything, he was just like, Okay, I'm like, I wasn't gonna phone this in, but I'm definitely not gonna phone this in.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

And I was like, Yeah, cheers, man.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yeah, that's a good that's it's good to have somebody that's not gonna phone it in. It helps a lot. Does indeed, does indeed. Um, you were saying about your wife Haley. So did she work with um Kevin Smith did a couple of episodes, didn't you, of Goldberg?

SPEAKER_05 5:31

Yeah, yeah, he did actually. Yeah, she worked with Kevin. That's pretty cool. And it's yeah, it's awesome. He's a legend and um just said he was he was great. He was he would um he would get everybody to like give a round of applause. Like he would clap like after every like either it was either like it wasn't every take, it was like every episode at the end of each time he was shooting, he was just like very communal with everybody, which was really, really cool. Because some people it's like you know, uh you're on a show. The shows for I mean they did it for like 10 years. So like you know, at some point there's people that on any set, which it's a day job, that's what it is. It's it's a job, and like and I I get that. I get that like depending on where you are. I would like to think I'd be a little bit different. I think if you like love it so much. Yeah, I agree. You're showing up, you're like, ah, if you're done, like put me in, coach, because I'm I will show up early and I will be happy every single day. But it's like anything else, you know. I think I think the first you know, she saw it with people, you know, in in the environment. I mean, her crew is amazing, though. Amazing. And um, and yeah, Kevin Smith is is I think she wanted to work with him more because I mean he's just he's awesome and he loves film. So like you get somebody that that is like a true Cenophile that gets on a set and you know, it just complet that that energy just like ripples out.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Yeah. So, you know. First time uh I went to the States on my own. Like first time I went to the States was all right, this is gonna be a weird one. First time I went to States was because uh Friend of the Family was directing Poorly, you know, the talking parrot film with Tony Shalou.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

So John Roberts, Friend of the Family, he directed it and they were like, come on out. So we were like, Oh, dope. And then the second time we went, I was it was 2005, I think, so it was about 20 years ago. And uh my whole point was to go to uh the quick stop in Leonardo, New Jersey. So that's so like that was it for me. I'm actually have I got I've I have a nail zippo somewhere, but like that's that's every time I've been over to the States, it's always just as like a little like pilgrimage of like oh what what what can I fill see that's film or TV? Right. Last time I was in Manhattan, I went to the Arconia talking of Richard Kind. Like, yep. I went to there and uh the Ghostbuster house. And I was like, I was only in Manhattan for a day because my buddy lived in Queens, so I was like, Oh I'll just go back to Queens. And he's like, Are you gonna go into the city at all? And I was like, I'm gonna go to the Met, I'm gonna go to the Ghostbuster house, and I'm gonna go to the Arconia, and that's it. And he was like, For real? And I was like, Yeah, that's all I want. That's all I gotta do.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

What else do you need? Honestly. You know, it's it's such a I love, love, love, love, love, love hearing that. So um you're uh in LA. Are you Hollywood, you said? I am. So I I'm like right um I'm I'm right over by um like the studio city area. Uh so like North Hollywood? Yeah, yeah. A little bit. Like in North Hollywood, pretty much. Yeah. So just kind of we're on this side. I mean, I've I started out going to different I moved out here in 2013, so it's kind of like I was in West Hollywood, then it was East Hollywood, and then I was in um Culver for a bit, and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Now we're now here in So where are you uh originally from? New York.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

Uh yeah. It's like I'm I am uh I I have New York running through my veins, friend.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

That is that is uh I am not just saying this, but uh New York is my absolute favorite. Like it's it without getting political. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With everything that's been going on, I was like, oh, not going to New York is gonna be the shittest thing for the next four years. But like anywhere else I could take or leave it. But New York, I was like, uh, that's gonna be hard. I love New York. Yeah, yeah, no, me too.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

It's it's definitely or yeah, the US is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

It is what it is. But yeah. So uh when you say New York, were you like which borough or which uh where were you? Were you Manhattan?

SPEAKER_05 9:38

I yeah, so I first was I grew up in Westchester, which is kind of like yeah, so that's love that you know that where that is. Um people are like, what is that like up up upstate? And I'm like, it's like 45 minutes up from because they think upstate is like upstate for us is like Buffalo. Yeah, that's miles away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but yeah, no, I I grew up in in Westchester in Yorktown Heights, and um, yeah, it was a very like it's funny, it had it was like the Kevin Smith experience of New York versus Jersey. Like it definitely had like the same, it just felt the same, you know? And um yeah, so I grew up there and then I I ended up going to school in Poughkeepsie Um Yeah, Maris College off the Hudson River, and then uh ended up moving to the city after that. I was my dad worked in the city, and so I kind of like would just go up to the city afterwards and yeah, started started started in Hell's Kitchen for a bit with uh a friend of mine who was from England. Oh nice from Woking. Yeah. I don't know anything about the areas, but that's right. Um and so that's so funny that I love that. We actually we did a we produced we were working in I was helping run a theater company when I was in New York. Oh nice and ended up we ended up putting a show together and actually taking it to the French Festival in Edinburgh. So that's our my only like loose connection. Yeah, that general area. Um but yeah, I was in Hell's Kitchen and then I was in the east side a bit, and then I moved to Brooklyn, and that's kind of like where I spent most of the rest of my time there before moving out here.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

So okay. My brother lived um in he lived on Pine, like just off Wall Street for about ten years because he was working at PWC. And like it was it was the most bonkers thing when you'd sort of like, you know, I'd say to him, like, has it sunk in that you're living in New York? And he was like, I get the train from Grand Central every day, mate. Like that that that makes it sink in. I was like, Oh, that's that's fucking dumb. It is. I wish I was doing that.

SPEAKER_05 11:43

Yeah, it's uh uh there's there's something nice about just exiting right into the concourse there. It's just like magic. It never gets old for me.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

But when I was um I did a tour last October for Real Terror, so I was in where was I? I was in uh North Carolina, Wisconsin, California, New York, and then Austin. Well, Texas. And um after ten days in LA, I went to spend like five days in New York with my buddy, and there was just this weird like so uh was it Christina, my buddy's wife, was just sort of saying, like, there's a thing that they say, which is in LA, everyone is polite but not kind. No, kind but not polite. No, what the fuck was it? It was just that's that's what hit the mark. Yeah, it's like That sounds accurate to me. They're polite but not kind, but in New York they're kind, not polite. So, like if you're struggling with your like uh buggy or something up at stairs in LA, they're like, oh my god, that looks so hard. And you're like, can you help me? It's like I'm busy. Whereas in New York, they'd be like, Can you hurry the fuck up? It's like, do you want to help me? And they're like, fine. And then they help you, and at the top of the stairs, it's like, have a good day, you too. And I was like, Oh, I I I like that. I prefer that East Coast mentality.

SPEAKER_05 12:58

Uh yeah, that's definitely that's that's as real as it gets. That's uh I I always would like related to even the East Coast versus West Coast of um, you know, if like you suffer an accident, if you get hit by a car in Los Angeles, everyone takes their phones out.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

And if you get hit by a car in New York, people like that are angry, they're like maybe disturbed by the fact that you like maybe got blood on them, and then they and they like band together and they're like, they pick you up and they dust you up, and they're like, You're alright, get out of it. You know what I mean? It's like tough love, but like they're there for you.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

And out here it's like, oh my god, like, are you okay? Oh my god, like the thoughts and prayers. And you're like, like sleepy press, just come out, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

It's uh yeah, it's the saying, like I lived in a pretty rough part of uh London for a while, and I said that like it it gets to the point where you live in those areas where if someone was to like throw themselves in front of the train before work, your first response would be like, ah fuck now, I'm gonna be late.

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Exactly. That's a human, I think that's like being human, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Everyone was like, oh, that's a bit mean. I'm like, mean? Damn mean we're all gonna be late now.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

Yeah, it's like couldn't you just couldn't you die tomorrow? Like, geez, wait for the weekend, you know. Yeah, it's like anytime there's traffic, it's like there's like an accident up ahead, and I'm like, come on, the car's like flipped over and it's on fire, and I'm like, come on, like you is it?

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Come on, let's get moving, shall we? Could have done this at home, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Yeah, enough is enough. Shouldn't have gotten the car to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Yeah, so nice. We've got the same mentality.

SPEAKER_05 14:33

Beautiful. Oh yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Uh but your wife, she's not uh an LA native, is she?

SPEAKER_05 14:38

No, no, she's from Dallas. Oh, decent. Dallas. Yeah. So she's um, yeah, she's and she's actually been out here the same amount of time as as I have, which is wild, 2013. Did did you meet? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

Like uh because you did a guest spot.

SPEAKER_05 14:52

Um yeah, I did a guest I did um I was I so she started she started the Goldbergs back in 20 uh God, what was it? No, not she was Jesus. It was she was probably 19 at the time. So 10 years ago. It was now it's been like twelve years, I think, since it's uh been off the air. It's been two or three years since we've been off. Um I just yeah, I did a guest star a few years ago. Um and but no, we met actually the old-fashioned way. We didn't meet on an app. Um Well done, sir. Yeah, right on the last the Mohegan time. I ended up having a um God, it's good to make a joke and have know that you're with your own people. Any any reference jokes whatsoever. And I'm I'm uh like for my entire life, the majority of the time, someone's just like what? What's that mean? And it's like does it doesn't matter. And I'm like, no, no, okay. Anyway, anyway, um, but so they uh I don't even know what I'm saying now. Okay, so um God, where were we?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Uh yeah, you met you met Haley in person.

SPEAKER_05 15:57

Right, yes, in person, in person. So it was actually at a at a friend's house, sort of an old writing partner of mine. We were just um he was doing a viewing party, he was on the show a few times. I'd never seen it, and so we ended up just um he was hosting it at a um a friend's house who's a showrunner and he was like watching this guy's dog and um had his apartment. So he was kind of like, ah, we're gonna do like a little like there's a little viewing party. I'm on that the show. Sweet. So it was like a few friends and like three other people. It was literally maybe like six of us in this apartment, and she was there um watching, like she was there to and I was like, Oh, okay, like she's a friend. She's oh, she's also on that show, cool. Like, not knowing it's like her show. I'm like, oh like good for you, you know. Oh, you got a scene? Well done. Yeah, well done, well done. Um and we just we didn't even talk actually that entire night because she had two friends with her that were like wild cards that were like loud and her own thing. And um, and she was just kind of quiet. And so we we didn't really even talk. Then like a few months later, she uh she s like slid into my DMs and she was like, Hey, you want to get some coffee? And I was like, I think I can make that happen. And uh I had not even seen it.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Hey, she's a buddy actress, I'll give her a chuck.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

You know, yeah, why not? Hey, I've done sketches on the internet. Uh so uh yeah, I uh we I we got coffee and immediately hit it off and and we uh and then we got married. Now we waited a few years, but we ended up, you know, it it happened, and now now it's all over.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

That's it now, but you you're locked in. You gotta be happy for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

Exactly. Yeah, it's it's it's been great. It's uh you know, it's like to be able to we got lucky. We've we we found each other at the right time, and so it's just been easy, you know?

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Oh, isn't it isn't it nice? Like, so I have previously been married, I'm no longer married, but my partner, who I've been with for about uh nine years now, it has been the most easy, relaxed like the second date we watched Mystery Men like on DVD round her place, and I actually had to pause the film and be like, can we address how uh easy and relaxed this is?

SPEAKER_06 18:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Because this is too nice.

SPEAKER_05 18:12

Too early. Yeah, it's easy. Like, what do you mean I'm not feeling like any negative What do you mean we can just hang and I can be myself unapologetically and you still want to be around me?

SPEAKER_01 18:23

What do you mean? And like it's sort of a similar thing as like I'm gonna throw a reference out and you're gonna get it. Oh. Well, I love this woman. Yes. And that was it. So yeah, it's so nice when you just like it's so nice when you happen to meet your best friend who you also find very attractive. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

It's a it's a win-win. Oh, it's a win-win. That's so funny that you mentioned Mystery Man too. I literally dropped that title yesterday. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. I think it was what I was trying to remember if isn't like Michael Bay in that as like a cameo. Is it Michael Bay?

SPEAKER_01 18:56

And then Doug Jones is in it as a cameo.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

There's there's a a moment where uh someone goes like, hey man, can we bring the Brewski's and uh Oh yes, and he's like, Well, yes, of course you may bring the Bruce. And it's like a weird shot. It's so fucking funny. But I think it's like, isn't it like it might be Michael Bay, I feel like. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_06 19:17

Is it Michael Bay?

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Let's get the old uh online Bible of IMDB up.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

If it's not Michael Bay, then it's um Oh, got it. Yep, Michael Bay is a frat boy. It's so good. It's so good. Excellent. Yes, of course you may bring the Brewski's. It's just such a funny, it's such a unnecessary but perfect. That's like the beauty of film, though, right? It's like you do something that sometimes you don't need to have, especially in a comedy, of course, but I love those. Just just like the bits that are, and you know that's it's probably something that they were just it was their own little bit. Like it might be a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Faye may have had like a line where he was like the Brewski's, and everyone was like, hold on. You saying that is excellent. Let's try that again.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Roll it, roll it right now, but that's good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Um and what was I gonna say? Uh completely ruined the flow there. Sorry. That was that was me. You had to say mystery, man. Jeez. Um so you how did you get into the voice work then for because you did Call of Duty Black Ops 6? And then uh I'm talking to Thor right now, got a thunder over here.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

I didn't even know that that that happened, by the way. That's the there's a funny story behind that project. Okay. I I got pretty much like two years ago, I got an audition to do something that was like hush hush Marvel, and I was like, oh god, okay, cool. And they pull me in and they're like, hey, okay, um, we're doing this animation thing. It's like half baked right now. You'll see the animations on screen. Um, we're looking for like, you know, we need like Thor, but like Thor. We want it to be like Chris Hemsworth on their life. They're pretty much like made it seem like this could be a placement track. They're like, he's out swimming and surfing in the ocean. It's hard to get a hold of him. It's like it's like, okay, you got it. So I'm like, sweet. Yeah, they're like, and you know, of course, it's like we're not gonna like bring him in for like a few lines. We're not gonna waste his time. Yeah. Well, we'd love to waste yours.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

But you'll sell that's time we can waste all day.

SPEAKER_05 21:18

Yeah, and I'm like, waste away. Mumble money, waste my time until I'm Waste. And so waste it. And so um, I ended up, yeah, I did this, this, uh, these lines, and and then I um by the by the end, um, you know, again, like two years goes by, my manager, like a month and a half ago, they call me and they're like, hey, like, how you doing there? Like, like, hey, how you feeling, Thor? And I was like, hey, and I thought they were like just joking and like I wasn't getting the joke. And I'm like, yeah, doing good. And I was like, um how does it feel? And I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, exactly. Like, how does it feel? And I'm like, how does one feel? They're like, yeah, Thor, huh? And I was like, I I actually don't know what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

I'm a blue. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_05 22:04

Yeah, they're like, you know, you're you're like you're four for MC enemies. And I was like, what's Marvel's movies? I have no idea what's going on. And um, like, this is it's awesome. It's interesting. It came out, and I was like, oh, okay. And I like looked at it, I was like, oh shit. And then I'm like looking it up and I'm like, uh-oh. I thought I was oh no. I was like, I thought, I'm like, I'm not supposed to be here.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

What do you mean I'm like looking at all the things and it's like I'm making movies about you know origin stories for Willy Wonky characters like I can't associate myself with this company.

SPEAKER_05 22:44

Are you kidding me? These actors? What do you mean? Like Elizabeth Olsen and then Paul Rudd. No, I don't want my name next to them. Like, are you kidding me? All of them came back except for Hemsworth. I can't be a part of that. You know, it's like, oh wow. So I um it was crazy, man. It was really, it was it was really cool. It's very surreal. Um, because it was it was it really was like a fun one to do, and I and I was very genuinely surprised by it. Um there's that whole idea of like as an artist, there's that like, oh, if I knew that I was gonna be doing it, I would have maybe like done it a little bit differently. But like I was probably why you got it. Well, that's the thing they they wanted it, they wanted it to be something that was familiar. Yeah. Um and you know, there's a little bit of a change in there. I mean, like, you know, I get louder, and like you can if you're really listening to it, like you might not, if you're like a huge Thor fan, you might be like, is that Chris Hemsworth? Like, you know, like it's like just enough where like if you are told that it isn't, you could be like, Oh yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they've done a great job.

SPEAKER_05 23:46

Right, right, right. It's like but they're doing a good impression now. But so it's um yeah, so did you crazy?

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Did you like I know this is gonna sound like a weird one, but did you do a Hemsworth? As in was that in your repertoire beforehand?

SPEAKER_05 23:59

I I had been called for like a sound alike where they were just like, can you like do a really deep like like a deep like something like this, like you know, uh little nasally. And I was like, oh yeah, I can I can I can try. And I I it's weird because I I've done like certain like I I yeah, I I there's there's a few that I kind of like they'll send out auditions and and and like I've gotten better at certain people, like certain impressions I have down better than others, but would you like to Would you like to do any of those right now? Oh god, I don't even know which one I would which one I would like to do. Who's your favorite go-to? Lately it's been um If I get if I go real, real, real, real deep down the Sam, Sam Elliott can down the ranch.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Sasperilla. That's nice. That is a nice one. That's a real nice one.

SPEAKER_05 24:54

But that's like if I wake up in the morning and I'm that's the first thing, you won't even tell the difference. Right now I'm like pitched up higher. You know what I mean? Like it's there's a time for Sasparilla! Yeah, Sas Barilla, you don't say um But yeah, there's um yeah, it's it's kind of uh Yeah, it's wild. It was it like they I they had me do that one. I mean, I did a sound alike once for um John Cena, which I like didn't see coming at all. And then and like they had to That was my first time doing one where it was like, oh, we're gonna splice you into these, like, you know. And I was like, my God, this is tough. Because it's like you know, it's like a full scene, and he's like on the beach and he's like, all right, yeah, let's go into the water, and then like and then it stops and he's like, huh. And then like you hear a director be like, quick, grab your surfboard. And then it goes back to him being like, all right, let's dive in. And then I'm they're like, and then it back to like, hey, over here, what are you doing? And then it's back to him, and I'm like, geez, it's like Swiss cheese. And I'm like, I have to just like jump in. And like sometimes a director doesn't record their vocals, they just leave it blank, so then I'm they're like, your interpretation, please. And it's like, my god. And so it's a it's a trip. It's yeah, fun as hell, but yeah, I I've I didn't see the I didn't see this last one unfolding the way that it did. I'm I'm happy to do it. It's a really cool it's cool to like be able to step into those shoes. Um but yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy, weird, surreal.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, I can imagine uh like anything that's MCU related and all that kind of stuff, it's just even if it's not your like, you know, and we don't I don't have to put this in if you don't want to s like say anything or whatever, but it's like it seems very sort of even if you like the MCU or not, you can't deny being part of that world is very sort of like that's that's great exposure for anything I'm doing, you know? It's like I I'd be a fool not to be in it, I'd be a fool not to accept anything about it. So the fact that you kind of got that work and you weren't chasing it, it's one of those like oh thank Christ. Like I was able to just get on with it, do it be it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:03

I totally agree, man. It's it's um it's the perfect way to come across it. Because again, it's like I I don't know, like the stress of I imagine going out for something where you're like, oh my god, I'm gonna be taking on like the mantle of this thing. I mean, if I knew in advance like what this would have been, I would have been more stressed about it because it's like you're stepping into like you're gonna be scrutinized by everyone. Like the fan base is like obviously, I don't even need to describe it. It's like it's ruthless. Yes. Rightfully so, because I mean you're you're talking about like fan fandom that is like the roots go deeper than like anything, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Sure, but fans also need to chill out.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

They they do, they do, but like it's hard because it's like that's such a I it always felt like to me when you enter like the blockbuster like franchise realm, it always it seems like because it's all so much backed by the studios, it's like it is so based on like how do we let our like how do we make our audience proud and like make them happy, but like at the same time, you know, they're doing what they want to do, obviously. But the artistic freedom of it isn't as it's it doesn't seem like it's as loose. But this one, I mean, with with you know Marvel Zombies, it's like that's that felt like it was a little bit of a turn off onto like a different path that even feels more artistically grounded in this like it just it just goes off on a different path and it kind of you know it gets dark in a way that I think is really, really cool. And they they I didn't expect it because I'm like even watching the scene that I did and I'm like, oh shit. Alright, that's pretty that's pretty intense. Like nice, you know. It's happy to happy to see some like you know, like let's scrub the uh make it a little bit dirtier, you know. Like take throw a little grid on it, you know what I mean? Um but yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Uh I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_05 28:51

So no problem. I say uh I still have to watch the whole thing. I just like you know, I was I I selfishly watched my mystery but but no, I I watched like the the episode leading into and I talked to a bunch of people about it and they they they really liked it, the whole like series for it.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

So a friend of mine who I saw at the weekend, I said that I was um interviewing you this week, and he actually went, Oh, Marvel Zombies.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

No way.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, and I was like Okay, alright.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

And I was like, Hi, chill the fuck out. Yeah, yeah. I was like, he's done other stuff, okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

Alright, listen, okay, he's he's done horrible movies. Check, check the bottom of his item beat.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

That's where the meat is. That's where the good stuff is.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

That's where the un that's where the unflavored meat is. Yeah. It's all the canned meat.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

But he was like, he was genuinely like, oh yeah, I know that name. And I was like, oh, dope. Uh alright, well, I'm speaking to him. And um sweet. Yeah. Like, because I uh I have like such a uh I'm on the skirts, the absolute skirts of the comic sort of like industry. I'm not in any way a part of it, but like a lot of my friends work in it. You know, Charlie is a good friend of mine, he did all the all the walking dead. We all get very sort of whenever we see anything like comic related, we're always like, okay. Yeah, it's this product. Another one. Okie goes. And it's that sort of so whenever there is, you know, like, oh, Marvel Zombies is out, and I'm like, oh, I enjoyed the old Sean Phillips drawn like comic from Wilds ago, and they also did Marvels vs. Evil Dead or something. Like they they did like a one. You know what I mean? There was so much of it. And I just thought, like, oh cool. And then when I saw that they did like that one off what if episode of it, I was like, I'll watch that eventually. And then all of a sudden they were like, here's the show of it. I was like, alright, alright. I'm not I'm I'm not.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

What if we did this as well? It's like we aren't we already we already did this. They're like, no, but how about this too?

SPEAKER_01 31:01

But what if again? How about no more what ifs?

SPEAKER_05 31:05

So why don't we just like start let's do something else. Something new. Let's start something.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

You know, all those stories we've got from years of comics, we could do anything. There's so many. There's so many.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

But uh Are you a comic guy at all? No, you know, I grew up with uh my sister went to she worked at a comic book store back when we were like in our town growing up. And um so she kind of I like through that was able to kind of be around it a little bit. I I never really like I have a bunch of old Superman comics, but I was never really um yeah, I I there's a lot of really I mean there's incredible stories. I think graphic novels in general are just like amazing and foundationally they supply us with like some of the most incredible stories and that you know even taking that from even just anime in general. Yeah. Um but I yeah, I don't know. I never I was kind of more of more of a film guy growing up, you know. I was I was more born to that.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

I mean that leads us very nicely into the first question. Uh how old are you? Are you about the same age as me? 36. You're a younger man than me. Am I? Yeah, man. You look like you're 30. 28. It's all those uh black coffee and cigarettes I have every day. Honestly, it does help. It's good for the capillaries. It brings oxygen to me. I will say, like, up until about last year, that was pretty much my diet, and everyone's like, you do look young. And I'm like, I don't know why. I don't drink. Maybe that's it.

SPEAKER_05 32:32

Honestly. That is the key. That is the key.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

I drink a lot of water and black coffee.

SPEAKER_05 32:39

There it is. And there's water in coffee, so I mean you're doing the right thing. I know what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

I know what I'm doing. Um yeah, I I imagine a lot of the films on this list could be similar based purely on this conversation alone. Like, we might be you might be just be saying my films, so this could be good. Um so, what was the first film you saw at the uh cinema or theater, however you want to go?

SPEAKER_05 33:07

You know, I I I think based on when I this was born in 89, I feel like it was probably Toy Story or The Lion King or something, because that was when I I think about when I was brought to the cinema, like at the age I was brought to for like the first time, it was probably something like that. Now, do I remember The Fugitive? Yes. Is that a childhood film for me? Yeah, because I was like literally on the carpet, like playing with a dog while my dad's watching it for like the 13th time in a month.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

You know what I mean? So like how much you thought jumping out of that damn is in my brain. I don't care!

SPEAKER_05 33:49

I don't care! Yeah, just just Tommy, I just grew up being like Tom Lee Jones is a marshal. Like, I like that is if I see him in real life, he is a law, a member of the law. That is just the way officer, you know, like, and he won't take anything from anyone. That's that's all I know. That man is very serious. Um, and I also knew just to, you know, of course, Air Force One. Get off my plane. You know, that's it was all Harrison Ford growing up, but that's yes in in theaters. I think that was to be fair, the first movie that like I'm answering this with multiple questions, so I'm sorry. Go for it. The two films that I remember dating back, like as an experience for being in the theater, also were Titanic. Okay. And because I went with two friends and my and our moms were with us, and there was like a moment where like she's you know getting drawn, and my friend Andrew's mom like was super conservative, I guess, and just like like sitting right behind him, just like put her hands over his eyes. He's like, You ain't seen no titties. Yeah, and I was like, dude.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Um You're missing out, buddy! What are those?

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Yeah, and so uh and that's a severely uh like underdeveloped his life, I will say. Um but that's you know, always trace it back to that. That and um um, God, god, god, what was it? Um the oh my god, Bruce Willis um Six Sense. Uh-huh. Six sense. Okay. Which I freaked out. It was the only movie that I I was too young and I freaked out. Because my mom was like, we could see a dog named Flanders, which I was like, what the fuck is that? Um I was like pushing for it. I was like, no, no, no, I want to see it, I want to see it. And so we went in, and then it was like the scene where she like it's like in the tent in the bedroom. Oh, with me Shabu's in. Yeah, and she's like, look what he did to me. And I'm like, I'm out. Like, I just like I was like, I just freaked out. I freaked out. And I like walked out of the theater.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

My mom's like, we should have seen the dog one, huh? We should have seen the dog one.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

What happened to the dog? If I went to that one, the dog would have died.

SPEAKER_04 36:00

So it's like pick and choose your battles, man. You know?

SPEAKER_01 36:02

It's so funny that like Sixth Sense was another one that when I was a kid, it was like, I can handle that shit. And then the bit when she like throws up in the tent, and then is it I think are there people hanging? Like in the in the hallway. In the hallway? I remember just sort of being like, I am not ready for this.

unknown 36:21

Yes!

SPEAKER_04 36:23

I'm allowed to watch this. I was like, this is this is not right. I was like mad at my mom, even though like I was the one who like pushed her to do it. You being a bad parent over here. You shouldn't have said yes to me.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yeah, she's like, oh, Hayley Joel last week. Oh, that's a kid. It must be a kid's movie. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 36:38

It's like You know Bruce Willis, he's known for doing those kids' flicks. Yeah, loves them. He loves them. Tony Collette, she loves them.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Loves them.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

But like we uh when we first moved over to Shrewsbury, like, because we moved to Shrewsbury a little bit, went back a little bit, learned back, it's the whole story. When we first moved here, uh, we moved in front of a cornfield, and it was about the same time that signs came out.

SPEAKER_06 37:00

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

So signs Nightmares. Yeah. Bad, bad nightmares. But what's weird is I can watch that film and be like, damn, this is spooky. And then as soon as I see the alien at the end, I'm like, I'm not afraid of that.

unknown 37:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

The knife under the door, and you're like, The knife under the door I find quite spooky. That was spooky. But when he's holding the reflection of the when he's when you see the reflection in the knife, and then the hand through the grate, all good stuff. But then at the end, when he's holding the Colkin, and Whacking Phoenix is told to swing away. Oh god. And I was just like, this is you've lost me here. But I'm still terrified. Yeah, swing away. Swing away, George. Yeah, just like you, M Knight. You're swinging. Right now.

SPEAKER_05 37:50

Oh my god, it's always swinging. I mean, sometimes he hits him, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Sometimes he does.

SPEAKER_05 37:55

Yeah, but it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

But yeah, so uh sixth sense, man. That's uh yeah, well how about how about you? What do you mean? What film does that?

SPEAKER_05 38:05

Oh, wait, okay, okay, now we're talking. So that just happens to be the like if I'm in a if I'm in a if my entire house is burning down and I have to grab one movie. It's it's hook, man. I'm sorry. Actually, I'm not sorry. Why am I apologizing? Yeah, don't apologize.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Uh you know the heart chart, J. V. Hart? Anyway, JV Hart wrote Hook. Right? Oh my god. And I met him at Austin last year, and I said to him, I fucking love Hook. Dude, it's and what's weird is he follows me on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Holy shit! Right?

SPEAKER_01 38:45

And I have I it was one of those follows that when he followed me, I said, Hey, uh, I love your work, but why the fuck are you following me? Like, I don't know why. And he was like, Oh, I think you posted someone and I liked it. And I was like, Alright.

SPEAKER_05 38:59

I gotta start hitting him up.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Yeah, like, but the other a couple of weeks ago, I went, I was thinking, like, oh, should I watch because I've got Bram Stoker's Dracula on VHS from like a charity shop, whatever, the other day. Yeah. And I thought, oh, I might watch that. And then he messaged me on Instagram, and I was like, nah, that's too that's too weird. I can't do that, because that man wrote this film. I can't deal with that. So I had to just uh bail out and go watch something else.

SPEAKER_05 39:26

These are my Peter Banning glasses. These are the glasses that I'm gonna have to yell at my future kids in. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

Shut up! I'm on the phone call of my life.

SPEAKER_05 39:37

It like like got me every time when I got older. I was like, that is so sad, but like also I was about to do a video where it's like he's actually just on the phone with a pizza man, like trying to order a pizza I'm on the phone call of my life, Maurice, get him out of here!

SPEAKER_01 39:50

It's just his blow dealer. Yeah, because he's business and it's Robin. So exactly, yeah, exactly. But like I was talking to a friend the other day about that colourful food that they ate. Yeah, and to me, that feel right, it's all play-doh or just like mashed potatoes or whatever. But in my head, I'm like, that seems I would I w oh, I wish I could eat it. You know? Me too, man. But it's Doctor, it's not, it's not good.

SPEAKER_05 40:17

I mean, it was just that that is seriously like my one of my top three. It will always be my top three. It's just everything about it. I I listen to the score sometimes. I just like I love, love, love everything about that film. And the Glenn Close cameo, like I I just I love showing that to people because they just nobody sees it coming. Nobody sees it coming, dude.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

It's such a brilliant, like also just goes to show you like how fucking amazing Glenn is at like just transforming into a role.

SPEAKER_05 40:47

And like that was like for for when that came out, like the just like the makeup and hair for that is is like just pointing out to people and being like, watch this scene.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

Guess who that is? They're like, I don't know. It's like it's Glenn Close. They're like, no, it isn't. I'm like it is.

SPEAKER_05 41:05

And that Scorpion?

SPEAKER_04 41:06

Daniel DeLa You know, he spent months in the jungle. Months in the boo box.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

So my um that film I think also has a real special place for me because uh my dad in my head is a mix between Bob Hoskins and Robin Williams.

SPEAKER_05 41:28

Dude, that's amazing. That's I've same same exact vibe, but like for me it's it's him in that movie and just him in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yeah, yeah, that's but not as not as the fun bit, just the businessman.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

Yeah, just just the businessman. He's got he's like when he starts like playing and he's like and he's like getting along with them more. Like that's that's when it's uh he's like my dad's like neverland version of him, like before he comes, like right before he becomes Pam. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 42:02

He's always like not remembering the bit where he's the most happy uh when he's playing in the office with his friends before he goes home.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

That's my dad. My dad's the one that goes and pops the phone up and then um and then goes Lisa, no, Liza, no, I I said that. I said that. I'll correct the corrections here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Yeah, beautiful, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

So yeah, nice. Um so uh what film did you watch over and over again as a kid? I feel like we may have just got our answer with hook.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

Well, that was honestly it's funny because like that I watched that over and over again. I also watched um Indiana Jones Last Crusade as if it was the Bible.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

I I um that was actually my Bible. That was just like the religious text for me. Um of films. But um special place in the heart outside of that though, the court jester. Not sure if you've seen it. That's a Danny Kay film from I believe it was 56. Yeah, 56 with Angela Lansbury. Um it's not it wasn't even like a success when it came out by far. I think it just got like a little bit of a cult following. But there's but yeah, there's something about there's something about I grew up watching that one. The writing's great, the the music is very quick and witty. Um and Danny Kay is I would check it out. It's it's just Danny Kay is like a hell of an actor. He's just he's the trifecto. You can sing, you can dance, he can act, he does it all.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Um but his times Hugh Jackman, I joke.

SPEAKER_05 43:37

Yeah, honestly, no, but I mean kind of. Um not as jacked. No, no, huge jacked man. Yeah. Um but yeah, outside of that, the for some reason, I watched two things over and over and over and over and over again. One was hook, and honestly, just the tri star intro, I rewound a thousand times. A year do that. Don't.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

We me and my buddy watched what did we watch the other day? We watched something the other day, I'm not gonna get into it, because otherwise I'll get lost. And the Tri-Star logo came up, and I said, Man, I fucking miss this logo. Yeah, I did. Especially the one at the beginning of Prince of Thieves. For some reason, that one, like oh There's two versions.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

There's one where I'm sure that are more, but the now I'm thinking like THX and the like so many good ones, so many good ones.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

But uh the one before Hook was great because you get the whole you get Pegasus like running and it's like it's like the whole, and it just ends on this like cushion and you're like and you're like, what the hell was that?

SPEAKER_05 44:45

Like as a kid. It's a great like I would drive my my family crazy, rewinding that. And they're like, what is wrong? And that's probably where I was like, I am in love with music. So and but outside of that, this is so off base. I I had a an addiction to watching uh A Night at the Rocks parade. The uh Chris Catan film. Yes! I don't even know how that slipped into like all of my like film-loving brain. There was like a little gap where just like this like little kernel like just like fell in. And for some reason, I like knew that movie by heart because I thought it was so stupid. And I I just like knew the like I just knew every line, which was weird. It wasn't I wasn't watching because I'm like, I love this film. I was I was I think that was where like the comedic brain of me was like picking up on character isms and shit that I think it was just because I was a Wolf Farrell fan and I didn't really um but yeah, weird, right? That's an odd one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

I wouldn't say that's normal for a kid.

SPEAKER_05 45:54

No, it's not normal. It's con it's controversial.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Well, hold your horses. Um yeah, that is an odd one. But I mean like I'm pleased there's someone else who uh remembers and loves like the the fucking production house like intros as much as me because those the old United Artist one, I love that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:18

They just their the musicality behind it, like the their use of like of just synths too at the time, but they were like mixing it with like orchestra like they just they knew what the hell they were doing. It was truly the most epic shit. You really don't get that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

It was a bunch of grown-ups doing it, and I don't feel like we got a bunch of grown-ups doing it anymore. That's all I'm wearing.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

You had grown-ups that like were artists. Yeah. You know, like they gave a shit about like they they're from that generation, that like world of like you wear a suit city office and you give a shit. Yeah, you give a shit about making somebody feel. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Like Yeah. It's the madman. That's how it is. It's the Don Drape is like, get that Pegasus running faster.

SPEAKER_06 47:00

Yeah, I want to see him, yeah, he was gonna run, and then I don't want the the horns to come in. I want kids to rewind this. I don't want them to think about anything else at all.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Hey done. You can't just have them rewind it. They gotta watch the movie. That's my slower. I'm sorry, that's what I love that.

SPEAKER_06 47:19

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Um, so what was the first uh R-rated film you saw, and how old were you? Oof.

SPEAKER_05 47:27

I it was pro like it was probably the fugitive now. I don't even know if that was rated R, but it must have been. The one that I'm thinking of that was that deserves there's something that deserves this category. I was at a sleeveway camp. It was probably like 12. Yes, this this is what this would be the one. It was recreame for a dream. I was like I was like 11 years old. Yeah, 11 years old. And it was like it was a camp counselor who was like, you want to watch this movie? And it was like two years older, or like three or four years older, and it's like, uh yeah, and I watched it and I was like, I'm never gonna even take vitamins.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Um you know that girl from Labyrinth? She gets a tits out in this. Oh sweet, oh wait a minute, that looks miserable. Who's Samson?

SPEAKER_04 48:18

Oh my god. I once like harrowing film.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

But it was it was it was one of those movies I was not supposed to see ever. And I uh at least at that age especially, but honestly, it was it was such a like a a good shock to the system. Yes. It was it was definitely like it didn't make me wanna, you know. It just it just really set some shit straight. I was kind of just like, you know, you get just like freaked out by I mean it may be a little too much at some point.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Well, I mean so I watched like train spotting a lot as a kid, and I really like like up until when he starts detoxing off of it and the baby's crawling on the roof, like I'm like, I can see why that beginning's fun, you know? Totally. And then like obviously it goes horrible. But with Recrean for a Dream, it's like none of this looks fun.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

None of this.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

No, like maybe I won't do hardcore drugs if only I'd listen to myself. But it maybe I wouldn't do as many as them.

SPEAKER_05 49:22

Right, no. The first thing you do is Yeah, exactly. The first part is like um there are there are moments I think in life where later on you get older and you're like, that movie, ah, whatever. Wait, how did they do it? Yeah, yeah. That seems like maybe I should do it a different way.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Uh the problem is he kept injecting into the same point. I just wonder got it.

SPEAKER_05 49:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Between the toes.

SPEAKER_05 49:47

Got it. If uh if there is a hole that is crusting up like a volcano, don't re-enter from the top. Uh-uh. You didn't say the magic word. Um yeah, yeah, that's um man. That's yeah, crazy.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

I I I once went out, uh, like me and my girlfriend at the time, we went out, we came home, and she was living with her mum at the time, so like we went back to her parents, her mum's house, and her mum looked really like out of sorts. And I was like, Alright, Jill, what's going on? And she was like, I watched uh I watched the film and I was like, What you watch? She was like, Requiem for it. And before she finished, I was like, Whoa, no, you shouldn't have watched that. You are not you're not the kind of woman that could handle that film. Like, and I'm saying woman, I'm saying person, sorry. Yeah, you're not the kind of person that can handle that film. You shouldn't have watched that film on your own without any like prep. And she was like, Oh, it's really horrible. And I was like, Yeah, yeah, it is good performances, though.

unknown 50:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

I mean, there's a bloody good performance.

SPEAKER_05 50:47

Yeah. Now I look back, and it's like the first thing that like before I knew what I was watching, I was like, she's hot, he's got really blue eyes. And then I'm like, what's that? Oh, that pupil's dilating, that's cool. Wait, what? What's happening now? It is a descent. I'm gonna be on television. Oh, yeah. It's I mean, it's honestly it's great by how the the the way they vignette like everyone's experience through like different versions of what they're doing is like it is a very good it's a good movie. It is. And and like it really is like it's an important movie, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

I don't think Aronofsky, I I would say it's probably his best. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but like it's definitely the one that I will always be like, that is the reason I think he is a great filmmaker.

SPEAKER_05 51:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

You know, there are other great things he's done, but that one is the one that I'm like, yeah, but that have you ever seen Spun?

SPEAKER_06 51:39

No, actually.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

That's the um Jason Schwartzmann and Debbie Harry. Uh it's good. It's another drug sort of uh movie, but it has um it's a it's a much more uh indie production.

unknown 51:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

So it's it's quite I don't know, there's something about it where it's like this doesn't feel as miserable even though it is just as miserable. Right.

SPEAKER_06 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

That's interesting. Um so uh what was the first film you watched that you considered grown-up?

SPEAKER_05 52:14

It's it's this a very strange one, and it's the first thing that comes to mind. So when I was little, my Austin Powers would play, right? International Man of Mystery. Beautiful. For some reason, my parents wouldn't let me watch it when I was like.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

I can't think why. Liz Hurley, you know, form ideas, mate.

SPEAKER_05 52:33

Come on. And so I I was not allowed to watch it. I remember like I just have that in my brain as like seeing my family laugh at something. Like I have two older sisters and like watching them like watch this thing and like them being like, ah, no, like you can't like You can't have this. You can't sit in the corner, but like I like or my sister was there watching with her friend, and they're like, ah, no, no, no, like come in here, like no, like when you're older. And I was like, what the fuck is this shit when I'm older? So that was that was kind of implanted into my brain as like that is an adult movie. I'm not allowed to watch that. And so when I was able to watch that, like that is I think where my brain goes into like where I categorize that, I guess. Yeah. Um but if it was if it was in the category of like my first film film, man, that's a that's a tough one. You know, maybe it was like Shawshank Redemption or something.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Yeah, I that I think a lot of people think that like as the same for the same reasons because they always feel like Shawshank was the first time that it was a very accessible drama. You know, like it's very much so it it isn't so much that you know, as a kid you're not gonna watch Citizen Kane that easily, you know? Whereas Shawshank for some reason it has that sort of like, oh no, there's almost a bit of thriller to it, you know. There's almost something in there that you could make you almost go like, oh no, this could be like a fugitive, you know? And I think it opens that door to people.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

Yeah, I actually re-watched it two days ago. My my wife got me some of these cards that it's like they're scratch-off cards. It's like movie night. And you scratch off the thing and it tells you like what you're gonna watch. And I was like, This is the greatest gift I've ever gotten in my life. And I'm like, and you won't, she's like, and I won't look at my phone. I was like, oh my god. That means that's the gift. That's the gift. It's the gift of all gifts. Um, and so we we scratched pulp fiction, and I was and she was like, hmm, and I was like, all right, we'll scratch one more because I would love to watch it, but I understand, and I I you need more linear. Um and so Shaw Shane came up, she's never seen it. Oh nice. This is a great opportunity. And man, I forgot it was Roger Deacons, man. And like I I like Right?

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Like Deacons and Darabont, what a fucking double pair, you know, like that's from the first shot to the last.

SPEAKER_05 54:53

It's like, and my buddy and I were just talking about his style too, of like just not getting in the way. Like it's not you're not watching the film and you're like and you're thinking, oh man, like unless you're cinephile and you're like, that shot's great. But it's he's not hunting for a distraction.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

It's the most naturally perfect shot that you can hope for. Like it's so perfect you don't even consider it. Exactly right. And I mean if someone fucked it up, you'd know instantly. But Deacons didn't fuck it up.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

No, he never fucked it up. From the there's like an aerial of like the whole entire prison, and it like swoops down, and then you see like Andy coming in the bus, and you're like, what the like you just you get so much of the work it's just a sensation of knowing your environment in in such a incredible way that you feel it.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

And then it's really for that brief moment when they're sucking down a couple of suds after doing the roof, and it's got the golden hour, and like you're looking at that and you're like, that is just a group of guys who have just been doing some work all day. And now they're just having a couple of beers on the roof, that's it. And then it just cuts slightly to see um Mr. Krabs uh taking it. Yeah, Kaylee brought that up, just like, oh my god, that's Mr. Krabs. Like, oh wow, what are you doing with those beers? And then uh, like it it like it that's the only it's just purely in a slight tonal shift in the film where it's like, oh, the golden hour has gone slightly bluer, oh it's a bit colder, oh, because they are in a prison. And it's just like nothing's been said about that. It's just a slight change in the colour, and you're like, oh, Roger, you saucy motherfucker. But yeah, that's good. What film holds a special place in your heart?

SPEAKER_05 56:34

Let's see. Um, I I would say honestly, probably the probably the court jester. Yeah. Um who introduced you to that? That was that was one introduced to me by my parents, but it was kind of through my sister. Like it was a film that they threw on that like every the whole family could enjoy. And so there's this like staccato delivery. He he's so fast. Danny Kay is so fast in the movie. Like, there's there's certain numbers that are because it's kind of like a music, a musical hybrid. And the even just like the intro is very fast, and it's very clever and witty. And my sister is like very she's just very intelligent, and she also just nailed it. She was she would actually just she memorized the whole intro. And so it became kind of like this thing where she would like do it for the family, and we'd be like, Yay! Again.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Again. But in the style of Bet Middler.

SPEAKER_05 57:34

Yeah, Bet Middler now. Do it like her! Um, and so it was yeah, so that I I just remember that being a very feel-good. Outside of that, though, I will say The Princess Bride is always kind of like its own, like my that's probably my mom's favorite. And so I grew up watching it a lot too, and um yeah, I just there was something about the whole structure of it that I that I enjoyed and like the levity and the the level of satire. Yeah. Um that that one that one definitely holds a special place.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

Oh nice. I interviewed uh Mandy Petenkin once, and uh it it was we were meant to be interviewing him for Homeland, like I don't know. And I just started talking about uh musicals and uh he was like, You uh you're a musicals guy? And I was like, big musicals guy, mate. And he was like, let's just talk about musicals, and then my producer was like, let's get back onto homeland, and he was like, I don't want to, I just want to keep talking about musicals.

SPEAKER_05 58:36

And I was like, Musicals. Hell yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

So yeah, it was like he's a he's a lovely man.

SPEAKER_05 58:42

Um I have literally I don't know if you can probably see it, but there's up there on the wall.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Oh nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

That's nice. That's good. That's it. I I also appreciate that you're uh the kind of person that I I I like to have games with people where I go, like, name a film, I bet I have a reference to it in this office. Right. So I like that you've got a similar thing where it's like laser discs, princess bride, cameras. I got it all. Go on, name a film, I bet I got a reference to it. Blade.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Blade throwing a little curve.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

I have it's not in this office, it's in the library next door. But it is Tomb of Dracula, issue three, which is the origin story of Blade.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Oh, it's so well done! Yeah, that was good, man. That was like I I grabbed some dirt for you know, because I was like, Oh bitch! Like, we're playing nice, but now you're fucked.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

No, no, no, I got it. I got it. That's sick, dude. I might have the DVD up there, but it's behind layers because I buy these are double thick at the moment. All the ones that you can see are ones I haven't yet watched. And if you can see up there, there's a lot of criterions that I haven't yet watched.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

See, that's I need to that I need to get the uh someone was just telling me about the subscription to criterion I need to get on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

Oh, do it, do it, because th there's some beautiful stuff on there. But last night, sort of similarly to you and Haley, like Kirsty wants to do a 40 to f forty for 40. So it's her birthday at the end of the month, she's turning 40, and she wants to watch like 40 films that she hasn't seen. And I don't know f why for her 40 films in a year. I think I've done a week? Like, no joke, this year alone I've watched uh 400.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:39

Oh, that's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Like, it's just I don't know why people haven't watched at least 400. Yeah. And um so she was like, I got this list 40 for 40, and I was like, Oh, what's on there? And I tried to find like as many of them on Criterion or 4K, just so that it's like here's the best version. And we watched Do the Right Thing last night. Yeah, it was the first time she'd seen it.

unknown 1:01:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

And it was a similar thing where every now and then I was just like, You want your phone? No, good.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:06

Like Yeah, it's it's a it's the test. It is like it's so devastating. Well, like I I can't where I've gushed.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

I've been like, this film is I think it's made me change my life. And then I look over and it's just are you enjoying Candy Crush over there?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:23

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:25

And it's just doom scrolling and you're like, yeah, this is the this is actually like a deep, like this shows pretty much why I am the way that I am and has all the keys to change me into the way that you want me to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

You would go over and they're like, just you you know why I don't have a real job and I'm following this dream? It's because of this, but don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah, man. It's uh and it's bad. Like there's some times where we would just be like watching something, I'll pause it and rewind it and be like, oh. And she's like, I saw it. And I'm like, oh, you're watching it, sorry. I'm the arsehole. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:57

Yeah, I love that. It's so devastating that like I feel that drop in the pit of my stomach. If if even she like looks down, I'm like, you're missing it. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's and it happened during shock shake. She wasn't on her phone, but like she just like looked at the cat and she was like, oh. And I was like, I was like, nah, you're gonna you're missing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Fucking life is in the boat. Yeah, literally. Mammoth's about to get bummed in the shower, and you're gonna look at the cat. How dare you? The sisters are there, they're gonna come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

Tell me about this cat, though. I'm I'm a I'm a cat guy. Really? Oh, we got a good one. I love I love cats.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

Yeah, her name's I wish she was in here, but she's uh technically her full name is Lucille Hairball. Um she is a Sony cat. We um Haley found her, the one of the makeup um in the makeup department um found her on the Sony lot. Oh shit. Um when she was shooting her show. And usually there's a lot of like they're stray cats, which I realized later actually talking to Nolan, yeah, that um they're like they practically like commission these cats. Like they they like to let them be on the lot because they take care of all the rats. Oh, yeah. Sound stages. So like you know, they'll be fed and they're very friendly and all that stuff. And so, but this was like a young cat. She's super friendly, and and um she was she just didn't have an owner, and we like, you know, stole it. She yeah, I was stuck in France at the time because we went we went to France and then um I got COVID, but it never showed. It was just like, oh great. And it was the day before we were flying home, and she had to go back to work on the show, and so it was like, you gotta go, or else, like, you know, 150 people are not working, and that's like not fair. So I ended up staying behind, and while I was gone for that week, she gets this cat, brings it home, and I'm like, Replace it. Yeah, replace me with a cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

You're gone, you're out of here. So, uh, what's your controversial opinion on a famous film or the industry as a whole? I've changed it around a bit because when I answered it, I have a bigger issue with the industry.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

I do have a big, big issue with the industry for sure. Um, but I will say you know, it's it's it's it because it's hard for me to say it, I know it's controversial.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Um You're in a safe space. Like I know. Do you want me to say something so you don't feel as bad? The Dark Knight is a pile of shit. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:22

Okay, I think Casablanca is a little bit overrated.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

Uh you can go fuck yourself, Greg. It's been lovely to speak to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

I mean, it's just turn off the feed. But here's the thing I don't This is why it's hard for me, because I I actually love that film. It's a cla it's it's it's it's incredible. What I don't like is how many productions I see used the tarmac scene as like their character's like favorite part of them. Like, I've lately I went to see a play a friend was in, and the whole thing was centered around it was like a relationship of losing someone, and the whole thing was a projection of that scene. And I'm like, uh come on, you could have you could have dug a little bit deeper because it's like oh, the character's favorite scene is that scene from Casablanca, and it's like I've seen that. So it's not that I have a pro it's not that I believe I don't believe that Casablanca's overrated. I believe that the usage of it, of that scene for like other purposes, as if it's like it is lazy writing. It's lazy, it's lazy. And so that that bothers me a bit. No, I get that. I think it deserves more or deserves less of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

I I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt that your original thought was that Casablanca was overrated, and I'll agree with you to a point, because much like when people say, you know, like, oh, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, even Shawshank, they're like, These are the greatest films ever made. I'm like, they're the greatest Western films. Like, they're not the greatest films ever made. Like these are great films, but if you like, I don't want to be a fucking well, actually, a film fucking buff. You deserve it. Thank you. If you think they're the best films, go watch more fucking films, mate. That's pretty much what I want to say.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

But that's I mean, but the thing is, like, I I can appreciate something for its laying of a of a foundation that is added to everything. I mean, there's there's you can appreciate there's multiple levels of appreciation for for different films. And again, I I um I think it's I feel like that about Tarantino, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

This is another slightly controversial one. I think his early work, your reservoir dogs, your pop fictions, your Jackie Browns, and your killbills, uh they're great shorthand if you're not a film guy. You know, and I'm not talking film bro, but like an actual film, like if you love film and you love cinema, you know where he's taking from. So you you can go enjoy that you can enjoy his films, but like you know where he's taken from, and it just feels a bit like uh well City on Fire is better than Reservoir Dogs, and you know that if someone hasn't seen City on Fire, then Reservoir Dogs is a great film, like it's you can't deny the performances, you can't deny all of that. Sure. But when he turns over and it's more your Inglorious Bastards and then Django and then Hateful Eight, that's actually now when I look at it and I go like now I really like his films.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:19

Yes, like Inglorious Bastards is a masterpiece.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

It's beautiful, and like once upon a time in Hollywood, first time I saw it, I was like, eh, I don't know, maybe it's not for me. And my dad was like, Don't be an idiot, go back and rewatch it. And I rewatched it and I was like, Oh, that's fucking perfect. Like, it's so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:37

Yeah, it is a it's he he definitely it it goes from like the pulp um the pulp fiction of his own creations, but no really like going f I I totally agree with agree with you, like there's and there's controversy in that, right? Because it's you know you you said it really well. It's interesting to see those those films early on grouped in that way. They do feel like playground versions of what he ended up then kind of like really leaning into something that felt like it wasn't homage central. And it and it not that I I mean, and you can appreciate it for what it is, sure. You know, and and it is a really good way to to jump into those different references, and uh you know, I I love the fact that he paid tribute to all those things. Yeah, um, but yes, I I s it's it's interesting. I never thought of that like that turn of those because what those are seen as such classic films.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:34

But arguably, not even I mean those that second half of his of his films, like those really are like more hymns.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

And those second half films, I always feel like they would fit uh side by side with the ones he's referencing, whereas the ones before I don't think they would. I think they are like, you know, uh Jackie Brown wouldn't work with Superfly. But if you showed me Hateful Eight and then Sergio Leone film, I'm gonna be like, they're the same. That that that that's that's theatre on the screen, that's all the same. I love it. Like and I think he's learnt from his own nonsense. Sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:17

Yeah, that's that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

But yeah. But sorry, you are uh raging on shit writers.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:25

Which I mean, I guess that kind of then pushes me more in the direction of it being more of an industry um issue. Because I I think that I mean it i it's no surprise that they're everyone's reaching for like the bottom of the barrel, always trying to just extend their IP beyond, beyond, beyond, beyond.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:43

Um Well, they're expecting the audience to be looking at their phone, like we joked about it earlier, but they're expecting people to do that. So now they're like, well, why make it harder for them? Why That's the worst. That is the worst. Because it's no please, please. No, no, I was just making nonsense noises. Cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:59

Well, I'll make some of my own. Um there was there's an article recently that I was uh I mean, forget or what video it was um who was talking about it, but it it was um it was touching on this exact thing of saying the industry like talking about like how the studios are gearing, yes, for the attention span be of gold like halving that of a goldfish, where now they are making sure everything they put out has these like very quick reintroductions throughout everything of just x it's just exposition part. It's like you want to like be explained something over and over and over and over again because they're gonna look down, they're gonna look up, and it's like oh, they missed it, and then they're not interested in the rest of the movie. And it just sucks that it's being catered to that demographic. I do believe that it's important to uphold still the importance of making films the way they should be made, because uh otherwise you're not stretching people. And there I I do see in the younger generation there seems to be a little bit of hope pulling away from you know the whole like touch grass movement of like you know, I've a friend who's shooting a lot of videos for um doing a lot of um music videos for younger artists, even like music artists that are they're jumping into like VHS land, they're like really starting to invest. It's no different than like Kodak being like, we're back in business, you know, and it's truly like you know, vinyl, it's it's vintage, right? But you could say there's a fad to it, but I do believe that there is you know the human spirit does want to connect with other humans, and even in the face of AI and what's happening with everything, um, it I feel like it's more important than ever to hold ground on films that challenge you and your attention span. You know, like there's that there has to be a way to uniquely get somebody in the seat, but I think when someone gives it the chance, it's it's almost like when you're sitting down next to your significant other and you're like, if you were to just watch it from beginning to end, you would actually get why I'm so crazy about this shit. And in the instances where people two and a half hours of your life.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:58

It's just three and a half, four, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

It's seven samurai.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:03

Alright. I don't know why I have to explain. I you need to sit during the intermission.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

I bumped into I bumped into like this guy who my mum worked with, and they were having dinner before going out to the movies, and uh the Prince Charles, which is a great little boutique cinema in London that sort of plays old films, was doing a cursaur season, and uh he was like, Oh, we're off to Certi uh Seven Samurai. And she was like, I've never seen a Curosaur film, and I was like, Oh, on a three-hour like samurai epic, that's what you're gonna start with. And she just looked at him and went three fucking hours, and he looked at me and I was like, I'm sorry, man, but you gotta prep.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:44

When did you think she was gonna realize? Like, by the time she was ready for like dinner, you're gonna get like early. I thought this was gonna be a tight 90. Not uh.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:55

Nope. But like, yeah, I I think I I will say that did you watch one battle after another? I did, yeah. I think that shows hope that you can have a long film that assumes you're paying attention.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:13

I agree with you. It's fucking good. I thought it was great. I uh the where I get a little nervous is like, you know. And this is a distribution issue. This is something they have to figure out on the back end, but um they like the amount of money that they didn't make for being a blockbuster, like their losses were s it's the first time that I in probably forever was scared for the fact of like shit, you're telling me like this film, which is it's a film, it's great, and it didn't recoup its expenses. Like, is that gonna be are we fucked? Like, you know what I mean? But then it's like, no, it's it's that is the model for theaters now. They're not throwing them in that long. They're gonna get stuff on the back end through streaming, like you can take that into account. Not as good. Not as good. And so it's I never think of that shit until I'm like, oh, I'm watching a PTA film and like I want this to keep like I want these movies to keep getting made. I want to go to a theater and see something of this magnitude.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

I will say that is why I still buy physical media because it's the only way I can sort of be like, I saw One Battle at this at the theatre, and I saw it in fucking IMAX or whatever, and when it comes out in 4K, I will buy it on 4K because I want I want more PTA films. Like, so I need people to know that like there's money here. There's money here.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:37

You have to vote, you have to vote with your dollar.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:39

And it's well queer.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:42

My queer name. My top. That's what I call them.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

My little bag of jewels. Have I got a little baggy money here?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:51

So like that is the thing. Like, I buy as much as I can. You know, I buy a lot of secondhand films because I also don't like the streaming platforms. I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

It's like there's something about the streaming platforms that I just No, it's ugly.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:08

It's like you're paying money. You're paying money to go to You're paying money per month to have access to things that you still like won't have access to if you really wanted it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:20

And then you don't even own it. It's not like you're you know what I mean? Like you you you need the physical copy of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

And it's not like I need to, like, I mean I It's not like I need to own fucking over here hoarding like a dragon, smog with his DVDs. But like there are films in here that just aren't easy to get hold of anymore, or they're not on streaming because of regional distribution issues. Or Day of the Dead, you can't buy that. Like, I don't know where you can watch that, and you can't get a Blu-ray of it, so I had to buy a German Blu-ray of it.

unknown 1:15:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

But I love Day of the Dead. Day of Dead's probably maybe my favourite of the original three zombie Romeros. And I I if I want to watch it, I can't. Unless I own the German fucking Blu-ray. And it's just another one actually, the Abyss. The Abyss didn't get a 4K release in the UK because of the rat uh water sort of the rat drowning scene. They wanted to they wanted to cut that scene, and Cameron was like, nah, that's n I'm not cutting that. And they were like, well, you won't get UK distribution. He was like, go on then, fuck off. I don't care. Yeah, genuine. Like, this is extra fucking this isn't the cherry, these are the more cherries to have on the side. Yeah, crumbs for like, yeah. So like I had to buy the German Abyss on 4K because it's just like I I want to watch the Abyss, but I want to watch the Abyss as I know it. Like I have the VHS of it still, but I want it nicer. And you know, and there's just all those all those things about it and my Evil Dead on VHS, because I don't want a 4K of Evil Dead. Because Evil Dead should be watched on a knackered video and it should be a bit grainy, so it hides the crimes of the shit fucking prosthetics. So I don't want it too clean, I want it shit, so I'll keep my VHS. So there's this whole like to me, I get very worked up about if a film was released during the VHS era, that's as good as it should ever have looked. Oh yeah. So don't upscale it and then AI the shit out of it. Like let it be shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:30

It's like hook. Like hook is gorgeous on a VHS, man. Like that's what it should be. Yeah. Like you want the warmth of that. You want tape. You don't want like otherwise you're just like, what are like that when it's made for the medium, it's made for the medium. Yeah. And like people seem to forget that. That it's like, oh, I'll just like get the newest and latest and greatest. Oh yeah, put on my true TV settings. It feels like the people are real. I'm like, good. Like I can't, I can't do it. It's like you wanna if somebody paints something and you know it's do you want to want do you want to look at the painting the way that it that it's meant to be painted and how it was painted and the actual original as close to the original as possible, or do you want to look at somebody having taken a digital photograph of that painting and then printing that out larger and then? Oh, I've softened it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

I've softened it a bit so you don't see it in the fabric.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:22

Yeah, we don't want that. Like you're talking about an era too. Like you're you're losing an era when you upscale certain things for the sake of re-release. You're you're losing, you know, for for hook, you're losing the 90s. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like truly. You're losing because what you're getting with that film is the aesthetic of what technology existed at the time it was made. Yeah. And so it's like you're just you're just fucking with it. Like it doesn't, if you want to experience it, it's it's no different than like why people buy certain vintages of wine or liquor where it's like you're getting the same more with liquor, but like you're getting the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:56

But they treat that as if it's a fucking time capsule. Right? Like, oh, this bottle of port is from 1904, and it's like, alright, I don't care about port, but you do, and you know that there's a difference between that and some dog shit off the shelf today.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:11

We're not gonna open up the old bottle and then like and like, well, you know what, we added like we added some water and some other shit to it, because you know, nowadays the tap water is.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

I prefer the tannins today. Yeah. It's bullshit. And yeah, I just like my my dad always says it whenever he goes to like old galleries, um, because dad is an artist, but like he go to the galleries and he'll look at like paintings from the 1500s, and he'll he'll always say, like, what I love is that you get as close as you can, and you can see a brush mark that someone put there 500 years ago. And I can see that brush mark, and I can see the angle of which he flipped it away, or she sort of like brushed it across. I saw how they blended those in, and I can see fingerprints, I can see bits of something, maybe there's a strand of hair still in there from the brush, and you're like, that's an artifact. That's what I'm looking at. I'm looking at someone's print. That's it. Don't change it. Don't show me a high-res scan, don't show me a fucking AI softened, blurred, bollocks up. Show me the one that's exactly as the creator wanted to show you at the time that it was released. Because that's the best, you know? And fury, mate. Pure fury. I know, I know.

unknown 1:20:24

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

I need to chill the fuck out. Uh so what have you been watching recently?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:29

Recently. Um, you know what? I actually just watched the show uh Death by Lightning.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

Oh, don't know that. No.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:36

It's on, I think it's on is it on Netflix?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

And is this because your thought, yes?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:40

Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:41

No, I'm not gonna go. Gotta keep bringing it back. Yeah, gotta keep coming back. Uh it's it's actually about um the 20th US president, James Garfield, which is, I guess, like historically I mean, someone that not a lot of people ever really talked about, I guess, in American history, but he was present for like 90 days or something. Oh, yeah. Didn't he catch a cold inside? Oh, okay. He was assassinated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caught a cold, a led cold. Um, exactly. And um, yeah, it's it's actually it was actually um God, who's who is in that? It's um, I believe it is Michael Shannon, Matthew McFadden, um, Nick, Nick Offerman. Um it's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:26

It's a great it's it's actually I think I've seen Offerman like pushing it on his Insta.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:30

Yeah, yeah. I I I loved it. I thought it was it's uh you know it's late 1800s. They did a really, really good job with uh just the cinematography, the music is great. I think they did a really good job. Um it's nice for me, like my score brain like gets lit up when I when I hear you know people take bits of certain songs or tracks that relate to certain things and then they go off in their own direction. So it's like you're paying homage to it, but you're doing it sonically in a way that's not like it's nice. It's like just little Easter eggs of things, you know. And so I yeah, that's been a that's been a fun one. And then um, God, what else? I've been trying to force Haley to watch the Sopranos, that that's been tough.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:12

Oh really? Uh my buddy started it, I think today. He's never seen it. And he was like, I'm gonna start the Sopranos, and then three episodes later he was like, God, I'm a fucking idiot. Why have I missed this? And I was like, oh mate, it doesn't there's not a bad episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:25

Like Yeah, it's enjoy. I mean, it's like HBO's baby, you know? It's it's um it's the baby that paid dividends. Um and so it's I I just yeah, I don't know. I that's that's been something I've been trying to get back back into, and then um and then yeah, I mean, really it's uh it's been I'm trying to think of what I saw in the theater last. We actually we saw Wicked 2. Did you enjoy it?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:53

Did did Haley? No. Okay. Was Jonathan Bailey good? Yeah. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:00

I like Idol. I think he actually didn't I didn't realize. I was watching um I was watching the latest uh Jurassic Park recently, and I was like, I didn't even realize it was him. Oh really? Which is like because I I I think I was just introduced to him recently more through through Wicked, and then seeing him in that, and I was like, I guess damn good.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:21

He is damn good. I didn't I've not known any of his work, but my buddy Sam uh has a massive crush on him, and he's sort of very much like, have you seen Wicked? And I was like, I'm not gonna watch Wicked. And he's like, It's got Jonathan Bailey in it. I was like, good for Jonathan Bailey, I'm not gonna watch Wicked. And then he was like, There's New Jurassic Park, do you want to go watch it? And I was like, Yeah, cool. And then he was like, by the way, that's Jonathan Bailey, and I was like, Alright, fucking like I thought we were just here for dinosaurs, man, but nope. No, he's good, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:49

Yeah, no, we we got pulled to watching uh have you still not seen Wicked? I won't. You're fine to not. Yeah. The reason I and I need to explain myself, the reason I I I did see it. We have a friend who actually was um she played one of the the leads uh grande, that's what you're trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:07

Your buddy's Ariana.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:08

My friend Ariana. Um, another friend of ours, um she's great. She she was in the um the Broadway production. Oh and so that kind of like brought us to like, oh, wicked, cool. And so we you know, we watched the first one. I was like, okay. I like, I mean, I love Jeff Goldblum as like a character in life. But so it's uh yeah, I don't know. I I didn't it was like the second one was like, oh god, it was it was bad. It was one of those things where and a lot of our friends that had seen it also were like, you didn't love it? I'm like, what are you talking about? It was we were watching this thing that was, you know, and and even just like they're fucking up the vector lines of like either just like they're they're not even their editing is is off and like several times. This is one of the reasons, another reason I just love love Haley so much. When something cinematically doesn't work, and I just like a cut and I just look over at her horrified, and she looks back at me and she's like like she gets it, and she's like, she's also like you could you could like there's effects in there that I could I could I could have like I feel like I could have done better in my life. Give me a 40 minutes. Yeah, just give me my trackpad and access to one of my fingers. Um just the one then make it the pinky. Make it the pinky. I mean look, a lot of work goes into movies, yada yada yada. It's it's but not a little love. But not a lot of love. And there's just I it's watching those two movies, if I think because they shot it as a single film and like even in the Broadway production, it's supposed to be like a lot of the better tracks are they're stacked in the front half. So I kind of felt like they they they kind of like just wanted to split it for money, get the second one out like pretty quickly, like not really, and and they just cut corners on a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

I was surprised at how quick the second one came out, but it makes sense if they shot them back to back.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:59

Yeah, it's not uh you know, every now and then, you know, packing you you mistaken or you you reach into the popcorn bin and you're eating packing peanuts, and uh I knew I was eating packing peanuts when I watched both of them, but I thought they would taste a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Like, don't get me wrong, sometimes packing peanuts have their place.

unknown 1:26:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:18

You know, like I'm trying to think of a film that I watched recently that was packing peanuts, but I'm better than you. So So I don't So I don't eat that shit. I just go see Paul Thomas Anderson films. No sorry I can't think of a I'm sure there was some flowery CGI Dross. I mean Jurassic World Rebirth is probably the closest I'll get to that.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:44

How did you how did you feel about that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:47

I liked it out of all of the Jurassic Worlds. It's my favourite.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:52

Um They shot it on film, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:54

I think they did. Yeah. And it was nice. Uh the family were pointless.

unknown 1:26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

I don't understand why we had the family. And there was a point when I realized, oh no one's gonna die. So there's no stakes here. So what the fuck do I care?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:09

I was hoping like they they took a turn to the dark to the dark side.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:14

I mean, if you think about it, it's like raft scene. If you'd killed the dad or the boyfriend, I'd be like, there's stakes. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

That's what I'm saying. Like, there's they've they really, and that's that's another industry problem I have, is like they they really are trying to cater to their dollar. Which again, it's a business, I understand. But it's always been a business, though. Right, but but even still, Jurassic Park. Right? People are getting fucked up, man. People are are are getting eaten all the very first film, people are dying. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:46

The opening scene. Man's getting velocirapted. Yeah, shooter, shooter!

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

The hand is like weirdly slipping. I love that hand.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:54

Yeah, no, but it's like, what are you doing, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:56

Like, grab up as a kid, like the fuck is dead. Yeah, that bugger. Why shoot him now? Well, it's been lovely speaking with you. Yeah. It's been really good, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

It's been great.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:08

Uh can can people watch Joe anywhere, or is it still under lock and key?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:14

It is currently uh still under lock and key, also because we added um a piece to it. Okay. So that eventually, I'm still figuring out what we're gonna do. We're gonna we're cycling it around, we'll see what happens, but um we are gonna definitely announce what happens with it eventually, probably release it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:31

Um is there any festivals that's coming up too soon that people could see it in?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:36

Or it is it is not. That's like it's funny. It's like, okay, great. I'm like at the crossroads of trying to figure great promotion. Um yeah, no, it's just on like they can see the trailer for it um on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:55

Uh if they ask me nicely, I'll send them the Vimeo.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:00

Yeah, I don't feel like just I don't have enough room on these shelves for more trophies, so that's why I'm not, you know, sending them to other festivals, obviously. Obviously. No, it's funny, I'm trying to we're still figuring out like, do we let it do like do we send it as is, or do we re redo it with the new intro and outro and send it out to festivals and see if that helps get people wrapped around the idea of trying to go for?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

I guess it's a different uh thought process, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:28

Because it's like it's taking on like a new life, which is kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

It has legs on it, so I think like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:36

I think part of me wants to just like maybe fire it out to a couple more just because there's something just so magical. I mean, you get it. Like you see a film you put together on a on a big screen, and it's just like, oh, I'm meant to be doing this. This is this feels good. This is this needs to like wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:52

Or uh I watched my film on an IMAX screen and I saw a boom shadow.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:58

Oh no! And I was like, Motherfuckers. Yeah, that's tough, man. IMAX, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:07

And I was really annoyed because like the sound and like the sound engineering on the IMAX, I was like, oh, even I hadn't picked up on Oh, this is beautiful, oh, it's lovely. And at the end, there's this big old boom shadow, and I was like, you fucking dumb motherfuckers. What is this?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:21

Yeah. Anytime you feel bad about that shit, just just uh rewatch Gladiator and wait for the chariot to fall on its side. Cylinders. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:33

Man. Fucking hey, if it's good enough for Ridders. Right. That's right. All right. Um okay, well, thank you very much. Uh it's been great. We'll actually properly close it off this time. And uh yeah, uh be interested to see what you do with Joe. And uh yeah.

unknown 1:30:51

Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:51

You'll be good.