Brian Philip Davis - Film Editor

Joining me this week, Brian Philip Davis

Brian is known for his work in genre cinema, with films showcased at major festivals including Sundance, SXSW, Tribeca, TIFF, FrightFest, and Fantastic Fest. He has a strong ability to work across multiple genres—from horror to comedy—bringing a confident balance of tone that allows each project to feel cohesive, engaging, and distinctive.

Upcoming releases include Damian McCarthy’s Hokum (starring Adam Scott), set for release by NEON on May 1st, as well as The Incomer, a folk comedy (starring Domhnall Gleeson), written and directed by Louis Paxton and winner of the Sundance Film Festival NEXT Innovator Award 2026.

Additional titles include Oddity, Bad Day for the Cut, Boys from County Hell, The Occupant, Here Before, and The Devil’s Doorway.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

This is Your Life in Film. I'm your host, Ted Bennett. Joining me this week, Brian Phillip Davis. Brian is a film editor. His most recent work can be seen in Damien McCarthy's Hokum, which comes out on the 1st of May. Brian has worked on other films with Damien. He also was the editor for Oddity. If you haven't seen Oddity, I recommend it. It's very good. Auto Caveat, Damien McCarthy's first film. Very good. Very good horrors. Brian and I got on quite well. We have uh quite a few similar interests, and uh both have a love for films of a certain vintage. So we'll jump straight into it. What have you been up to?

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Um pretty much I just had a really busy year last year, kind of working on these two movies. So I've been this uh just basically right now I'm just kinda taking a break and trying to find something interesting to work on. You know, just trying to be like selective about what to do next.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

That's always the sort of the fun part of the job when it's like, oh, what little thing can I do that is more just maybe a bit creative or just a bit more sort of relaxing, and it's like, oh, that's when I think you find some quite nice projects.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Yeah, I think it's like just not jumping into like whatever comes up next, you know, just time timing wise. So I think I've always found that that's career-wise, that's kind of worked for me, is when I've just been a little bit more fussy about what I do next, and then that almost like forces you in a certain path, you know. Um and it's it's it's I'm lucky to be in that position that I can do it. You know, not everybody can, but um it's kind of I'm lucky enough. I have a missus that has like a normal job. I know. So don't we all?

SPEAKER_01 1:48

That's the secret. That's the secret. That's what I should tell people. It's like, what's the secret to making movies? Uh marry well. Yeah, be with a make sure you're with a civilian, you know. Yeah. If you're both in the industry, good luck. That's all I'll say.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

So how did you get into this?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

I so I I went to university thinking that I wanted to be a graphic designer. So there wasn't all this kind of like film stuff available when I was in college. So I went to college like 2001.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Uh yeah, so there was I thought I wanted to be a graphic designer. I was always interested in art. I thought I was into comic books and stuff like that. Oh nice. Well I thought graphic design was kind of comics, the closest thing. Comics, I was into like Batman comics mostly. Yes. So yeah, so I'm sure we'll talk about this later, but yeah, I was big, big, big into Batman comics. I was big into like Batman the Animated series, like Bruce Tim stuff. Oh yeah, Bruce Tim stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So um, yeah, I was I was into graphic design, kind of visual narrative type stuff, and then I went to college thinking that's what I would do was gonna do. And I joined a course at the University of Ulster called visual communication, and they kind of had all sorts of stuff under that one roof. So they had like you could do graphic design, obviously, but they had illustration, and then they had a little bit of photography and filmmaking and animation.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

And this was at the time when like I I uh IMAX had just come in, and you could get like a digital camera, plug it in with the DV cable, and it was so I remember even when I went to college, I think it was uh 2005 I went to college, then they were really bragging about like, oh, we've got a whole IMAX suite, and you'd be like, Oh shit, okay, you got a whole IMAX suite. Whereas now I mean bringing their Macs to uni.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah, I mean like I what I have right now is just like a like an Apple Studio display uh like a it's like a little box. Um and yeah, I mean it's and I I until a couple of months ago I was just using like one of those Darth Vader helmets, you know, like the black Mac Pro. Like and they they last me for years, you know, like you get like 10-15 years out of them. But so back in uni, yeah, I was just uh I I kind of then got yeah, I just developed an interest in editing. I was just shooting like stuff on DV tape and then importing it into iMovie and then editing, and I was like, oh, this is fun, and then I got into making like short films of my own, which I was editing, um, and then I graduated from uni. I continued making shorts, music videos, and things like that, and then eventually got asked by other people like could I edit stuff for them? And yeah, then I realized like oh shit, you could get paid for doing this, you know. So I've been getting away with it since then, basically. Uh I worked on shorts, I think I worked on over like 40 short films, and then um and then what one of my guys that I would work with you know over and over again, he he got a feature film off the ground called Bad Day for the Cut, which was like an Irish revenge thriller. Uh and it it ended up getting into Sundance. And yeah, we went to Sundance with that in 2017, and then after that I kind of I managed to get yeah, jump onto some other feature films. So and yeah, that's how I got into editing, and then after that it was just a case of as I was talking about earlier, just trying to work on projects that I'm interested in working on, and you know, I gravitated towards horror, horror stuff. Um that's the kind of stuff I like to watch, so I was like, well, I'd love to work on the kind of stuff that I would just enjoy watching as a viewer, so manage to um just get get on those types of projects, and yeah, so far so good.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

I see that you're you're you still do shorts, which is really nice to see.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Yes. Yeah, I mean I'll do a short. I think it's good to do like a a short in the background, like even if I'm working on a feature or something. It's even it's like a nice palette cleanser, you know, and you can kind of you can try out different genres that you haven't necessarily worked on. Like I'm doing a short that's a bit more of a sci-fi short, I've got that coming up, and I've got another little horror short uh that I'm gonna do for an American director just because I I fancy working on footage that has like nice American locations in it, you know. So yeah, just things like that. There's no no real pressure, and like a short doesn't take me that long to to do, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

No, it's it's nice when you see sort of like feature people still working on shorts, like I see that Peter Strickland still like makes short films, right? Good, like you should. Like that's you're telling stories, you're putting things together, and a bit like with the comics, like you're showing sequential, you know, imagery. Yeah, yours is put together through video footage, but it's still like no, no, this is a thing I like, so it doesn't really matter how big the project is, if it's a story that's good and fun, it's like that's the one I want to work on. So it's nice that you you're still working on shorts.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Who was the uh what was the first feature you did? Sorry. Uh it was called Bad Day for the Cut. So that was with uh I was with a guy who's a friend of mine, he's called Chris Baugh, and he had I'd been working actually in a kids' TV company on a bunch of puppet shows. So I did like five puppet shows, um like preschool shows, so that was kind of one of the first kind of editing jobs, but like they were kind of it was fun to work on that stuff. Like what I I mean I was the editor, I was being credited as the editor, which I think is important, you know, to kind of generate the credits doing what it is that you want to do, and like I was learning how to deliver shows to the BBC and stuff, and we were still working with tape decks, and I was grading them, and you know, I was learning on the job a lot of the stuff, but like it was a great learning experience, and like even though it was kids' puppet shows, like you were using like reactions out of context to create like comedy and stuff. Like it was still editing, like I think editing's editing, you know, it's kind of it's hard work, whatever it is you're working on, but um yeah, he he then yeah, had this he wanted to get out of that kind of world, and yeah, so did I, I guess. So he kind of wrote a feature, a re a revenge thriller, which yeah, was nothing like a kids' TV show, so that was that was our ticket out of there.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Nice, nice. If you mentioned sort of like editing out a sequence, I remember the first time I saw um someone was doing an interview on the street outside the BFI, and she asked all the questions, said goodbye to the guy, and then the camera panned on her, and then she was just going, Oh yeah, and like doing all those reactions, and I remember it was the first time I saw it, and I was like, Oh yeah, of course, it's one camera. How would they have got both? And I was like, Oh, it's so weird. And obviously, in the edit, it's all gonna work out and no one's gonna know, and I thought, like, ah, it's so bonkers.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Yeah, even on something as simple as that, yeah. I mean, there's been like documentary people getting in big trouble, hasn't there? Like using things out of context like that, like, yeah, nothing's actually real, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Well, was it was is it broadcast news, the uh William Hurt film, where he's kind of like outed as doing that, and like Holly Hunter's furious with him, and it's like, yeah, yeah, you kind of get why he's done it. But it's good, it's good. Um, so the two films you're working on, well, you're Hokum's out in about two weeks as well.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah, it's out on the first of May, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

That's my and then there's the Informer?

SPEAKER_00 9:44

The The Incomer? The Incomer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's uh it's a kind of a it's a Scottish folk comedy. So another one of those, right? So uh yeah. Uh it's coming out, yeah, it's gonna be out later in the year. So yeah, I was working on Hokum most of last year, uh, and then the in the incomer came along, but I that was directed, written and directed by a guy that I'd worked with previously on a horror comedy TV show for the BBC called Wreck. So this was his day debut feat this is Louis Paxton I'm talking about, so this is his debut feature, and I just really I really enjoyed the script, so there was a little bit of a crossover with Hokum's, but I I really wanted to do it, so we were able to make it work, thankfully. So it got into Sundance in January, it played at Sundance, and uh yeah, it's gonna be released later in the year.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

That should be exciting. So, how did you get on board with uh Damien McCarthy?

SPEAKER_00 10:39

So, yeah, Damien I so I mentioned Bad Day for the Cut, so that director's second feature was a horror comedy called Boys from County Hell, and we made that with a company called Keeper Pictures in Dublin. And then Keeper Pictures a few years later were on board Oddity, which was Damien McCarthy's second feature. So they they were looking for an editor, and I'd worked with them before, so they put me in touch with Damien and we had a zoom and just like got on together like a house on fire. So yeah, we're kind of a similar age. We grew up kind of eighties and nineties with VHS tapes and you know, his parents owned a video shop, you know. Oh sick. Yeah, so like yeah, we just we realized like, yeah, this would this would work, you know. Like I think a lot of a lot of the time with editors it's just like the directors just trying to figure out if they could spend a few months in a room with this person, you know. Yeah. So like they're gonna get the film the way they want it, you know. So just being uh being someone that's okay to hang out with is uh a lot.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

I feel like that that is 90% of like putting the team together. It's like this person's really good, but they are a piece of shit, and I can't. Exactly. And then there's someone who's like, I get on with this person really well, and even if they're not gonna hit it 100%, they're also gonna take like that that note of like, hey, let's, you know, and you're gonna be cool with it. Uh great, let's you know kind of working.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Exactly, yeah, yeah. Like at the end of the day, it's their vision and it's gonna be exactly the way they want, you know. But uh we have a good we have a good collaboration going as well. Like Damien doesn't he when he's shooting stuff, he doesn't watch any edits until he shoots his entire film and then he'll come in uh on day one of his edit and watch my entire editor's cut from start to finish. Um so it's quite overwhelming, I think, for him, but that's the way he likes to to do it. I think he he likes to have everything in his head, he has the whole thing storyboarded, and then he he likes to come in clean and just like yeah, just start working. So it's uh but he's really respectful as well. Like he's a great collaborator, like he's always it's like the best idea wins, you know. There's no there's no ego, you know. Like sometimes I'll I'll come up with stuff that he that he prefers to how he'd envisioned it, or you know, maybe I'll accidentally um misunderstand the assignment and come up with something better, you know. That's that's a thing. Uh and then sometimes we'll try it his way and yeah, it's fantastic, or or something we could try it his way and maybe he prefers what I did, but it's just an ongoing it's an ongoing collaboration for for many, many weeks. Like an edit takes like 16 or 20 weeks, you know, on a feature film. So it's just it's just trying to make the right decisions.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

I think it is important as well to like not have that ego. If you if you've got that ego, learn how to do everything yourself and don't rely on anyone. But if you know you can't do it and the other person is a professional, it's like then when if they suggest something, yeah, it's coming from a like a good space and you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Yeah, exactly. Like we don't really that's why we don't really talk much during his shooting of the film, because I think he he likes to just give me my space and you know I'll bring something to it as well. It's like it means you have two brains thinking about it individually, you know, it's not just like one big master plan right from the start, you know. So I think he he's really uh receptive to that of like of bringing other people's good ideas to the table, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

When you were talking about like videos and stuff, I had Graham Humphreys on a few weeks ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Graham did the video artwork for like Evil Dead and all that kind of stuff. And it's so like I before the recording I actually had to like move some stuff from behind me because I was like, I don't want him to think some I'm some weird massive fan that's got loads of his work. Yes, it just so happens that he's worked on a load of the things I like and like all my VHS I had to move down there.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Do you have much of a physical media collection yourself?

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Uh yeah, at the minute it's all kind of packed into like a cupboards or multiple cupboards somewhere. I feel like I really need to organize it a lot better. Like I have no idea now what I have on Blu-ray and what's on DVD, and like I probably have multiple copies of stuff. And like I I felt like watching something the other night and I couldn't find it. I was just like, I just need to I just need to organize it all. It's it's annoying, it's there's like a laziness now as well. Like it's like, oh, I I want to watch something and I know I have it on disc, but I'm gonna have to go and look for it. Whereas on streaming you can just hit play. Um Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's a it's amazing how lazy some people are in this day and age.

unknown 15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Knowing that like I'll be downstairs and I'll say to like my partner Kirsty, I'll be like, Oh, do you want to watch this tonight? She's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, Is it in the cupboard? I'm like, no, no, it's upstairs. And then she'll just be straight onto Prime and be like, it is on Prime right now. We could just And I'm like, I'll just go upstairs, it'd be it'd be two seconds, and she's like, I can just press play though.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

And it's like, yeah, yeah, alright. Yeah, and sometimes it's on Prime in like UHD 4K quality, and it's like you don't necessarily have that exact version, but yeah, it's I mean it's a tricky one.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

I get quite I get quite specific about which uh which version and what kind of quality I want to watch the film. So like I I I've said it on this podcast loads, but like my copy of Evil Dead, I don't ever want it higher than VHS.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

It looks it looks good and shitty on VHS, and that's how I want it.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

And that's how you watched it as a kid then, so that's how you remember it. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Whereas things like Jaws or like Blade Runner, I'm like, oh get that as good as we can, get it as nice as we can, it's a visual feast, give it to me. But if it's a bit shitty, like I want it to stay a bit shitty.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Yeah, it's like I've been thinking about this recently. Like, I think a lot do you remember what growing up in the UK? Like, do you remember how late we had to wait for things to come out? Yeah. Like, it's insane. So long. Like, yeah, we we just like it could have been months, like so there was like the US theatrical release, and then it could have been months later for like the uh the UK theatrical release, and then months later for the VHS. It's just insane. There was like that thrill of the hunt, just finding the thing to watch, you know?

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah. And then maybe it it it'd been too long, so you had to then start like flicking through all the like catalogue, like, have they still got it? Have they did they sell their copy of it? And it's like, no no no, and then you might have to wait another year before it's like to buy, and then you're like, well, I can't buy it new because a video costs 15 quid. Right. So then you're like, I'll have to wait until it goes on a deal. And I loved that it would take so long. Like a film would have such a longer sort of period of time to like be released. It wasn't just here's the film, two weeks later it's on streaming, never to be remembered ever again.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

And it's like, yeah. Yeah, and as kids you would talk about the films, and like some people would have seen it and some wouldn't, and you'd be like listening to some kids' description of what happens in the film, and then maybe some sometimes you'd w end up watching the film and it wasn't actually as good as how it had been described or how it l lived in your imagination, you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

The way my dad described the cemetery with the dog scene in the Omen, and then when I finally found a copy of it and watched it, I was like, That scared my dad? That's nothing. Yeah, what's it on about? But in my head it built up this wonderful, scary scene.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah, but it was weird, yeah, because I watched Jaws recently, and in in my head, in Jaws, when um the I've forgotten the guy's the the famous character, you know, who gets eaten by the shark.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Oh, Quint, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

When Quint gets eaten by the shark, I I in my head there was like a massive spurt of blood that came out of his mouth, but that's not the case. It's not as graphic as I remember.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

It's a bit of blood comes onto his cheek or something.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Yeah, they just they just put a bit of blood in his tongue, but yeah, like in in my memory, you there was like a fountain of blood coming out of his mouth. So it's just obviously that was just lived in my imagination, you know. Is that the butterfly effect or something? Is that what that is? Something like that. Yeah, it's yeah. Is it the butterfly effect? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Cut that out, cut that out.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

But yeah, it it's always nice when uh like there's certain films which I've just decided like I'm not gonna redo that one. Like I remember it so fondly, and then I re-watched something like Flight of the Navigator, and I was like, oh, this is this isn't a good film, but I remembered it so like fondly, and now I'm like, I'm not gonna go back and re-watch Batteries Not Included because I remember loving that as a kid. Don't need to see it again.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yes, yeah, that's perfect. Yeah, yeah. I totally get that. I think Short Circuit was one I watched again recently, and I was like, God, that was no that's yeah, that was when I watched that as a kid, it was that was the godfather, you know, but it it just doesn't hold up at at all.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

No, and and knowing that like Fisher Stevens is a white guy, playing an Indian guy, now you're betting Yeah, he seemed it was okay, but he managed to avoid that one.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah, the the cancellation Angel of Death uh flew over his house on that one, I think.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Just gave him a wink and he was like, it's alright. Yeah, I never need to do it again.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah, although he did the sequel, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 20:20

He did, and they're talking and I think they're talking about doing a legacy sequel.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Oh well, I don't know how that's gonna work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Yeah But that apparently Benny from the Brendan Fraser Mummy, like he's coming back for the the legacy sequel, and that's a white guy who played an Egyptian guy. Okay. And I wonder if they're gonna be like he's not anymore. Like Yeah, I'm not sure. Pretend he's not.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Yeah, we need to check the rule book on that one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Obviously, there's things that you've mentioned I want to talk about, but you've mentioned it might come up later, so we'll we'll get into the questions proper. With an early history of comic books and stuff, there's that you you enjoy the visual medium of storytelling. Uh, but what was the first film you saw at the cinema?

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Well, the so the first film I saw at the cinema, which is what my mum would have taken me to, it was Bam it was Bambi, Disney's Bambi. Now, Bambi was released in 1942, so I'm not quite that old, but there was a there was a re-release of Bambi. Uh I've looked into this. There was a re-rele release of Bambi in 1986.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

So I was taken to that. One one of the th I would have been four years old, and one of the things I would have I remembered about it, there was an episode of The Gummy Bears. Bizarrely was shown before the film. So the film is only like one hour and eight minutes or something. So I guess they padded it out. And uh the Americans got some other TV show apparently called The Fuzzles or something. But I I vividly remember it was the Gummy Bears, and I looked into it, and apparently, yes, the UK version had the pilot episode of the Gummy. Bears. So that was quite a and I'm not a Disney guy really at all. So um I thought I'd mention that as you know, technically the first thing I saw at the cinema. The first thing that I actually wanted to see at the cinema was Ghostbusters 2 in December 1989. And the thing about the cinema for me was so I was I was living in Northern Ireland and we're talking about kind of late 80s into the 90s, so hanging around Belfast wasn't like the best thing you could do at that time. Um so we I grew up in the countryside, so my my parents just my my mum especially just really hated going into Belfast. So but I was allowed to go to the cinema once a year for my birthday. So my birthday's in December. Uh so I could basically tell you what I saw for my birthday um for like the first period of my life. So I saw there was Ghostbusters 2 in 89, and then it was just whatever was coming out that December. So there was Home Alone the next year, and then the Adams Family the following year. I mean, that's a good run. And then Home Alone 2 the year after that, and then Adam's Family 2, the year after that, and then we got into like dodgy Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. So there was like Junior, do you remember Junior? Yeah, yeah, and then uh Jingle all the way, and I think I was like I was approaching kind of 14 around that, I think that was the end. That was like okay, I'm good, I'm good for these. Like it's like sit cinema has nothing more to offer me at that point. So like yeah. It's got Phil Hartman in it, he was amazing, yeah. He was great, yeah. I know. So yeah, so that that was my kind of early kind of cinema life, but as I got older, then I would be able to jump on the bus and you know, go into Belfast and watch stuff with my mates, you know. But yeah, I only got to the cinema once a year, unless it was like something massive. I think I did like Jurassic Park with my childminder, you know, right, yeah. You know, when the something came out and it was just so big that everybody was going to see it. Yeah, like so I had I my childminder, I had a childminder kind of for the first ten years of my life. So if it was something so big that my childminder's kids were going to see, I would normally get to go to. So Jurassic Park or Titanic or you know, the the major players, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah. Um were are you one of the people that uh respects Ghostbusters too, or do you think it's uh pilot shite?

SPEAKER_00 24:46

I kind of uh I suppose I probably have that kind of place in my heart where it was my first cinema experience. I think it's fun. It's fun and it's over.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

I think it's fun. Yeah I'm a fan. Yeah, fan, but fan.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah, no, it's it's fun. I like the music, I like the vibe. Like, yeah, I know they didn't have a particularly nice time making it, did they? I don't I think Yeah, it was kind of if you go into the the behind the scenes, it doesn't sound like it was a very pleasant experience, and I think they were trying to rush it out, weren't they?

SPEAKER_01 25:16

So Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

And again, it's one of those ones that came out in June in the US, and then we had to wait on it's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, we had to wait until December. So you would you'd be like you'd be like flicking through the magazines, you know, like the official movie magazines and trying to find out all of these details about what was happening in this second Ghostbusters movie, and maybe there'd be a trailer or they'd show on TV, and it's like, oh my god, it's like new Ghostbusters stuff, and then eventually December comes.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Remember when Apple f like used to show a load of trailers on their website?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yes, oh yeah, Apple yeah, I was an iTunes, it was like an Apple iTunes.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

I just remember that you used to have to go to Apple to watch like film trailers. Yes. And that ability to just watch a trailer whenever you wanted. Oh yeah. Like because similar to you like growing up where it was like, I I saw trailers at the beginning of the cinema or at the beginning of the video that I was playing. Yeah. And if I've seen that video a hundred times, I've seen those trailers a hundred times. So just being like, oh, what's this film? Oh what's the trailer for that? Oh, what's this film? I can watch trailers all day.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Yeah, that was there was a TV show called Movies, Games and Videos in the UK, and they just showed trailers and they would show I think they would show trailers for the top ten movies in the US. So this would be like the first glimpse that you would get of footage from these brand new movies. So like yeah, I I was recording that show, you know, I was setting my video to record that, and I remember when the internet, we got the internet like in like 1997, and we lived in the countryside, and I remember spending hours downloading the trailer for Batman and Robin in 1997 with great anticipation as to what was what this movie was gonna be like.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

It's like Joel's gonna hit gold again, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Exactly, exactly. It's like just it was downloading and downloading and downloading, and then the trailer started playing, and it was like it looked like Lego bricks, it was so heavily compressed. Um yeah, and then in nowadays you can just watch a trailer in like 4K in YouTube on YouTube, and it's like whatever you want, you know, it's it's insane just how much times have changed.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

The fact that um I was going through Reddit this morning, there was a teaser trailer for the new Godzilla film, and I from Reddit just sent it to my buddy Charlie, who loves like Godzilla, and he was like, I cannot fucking wait. And you just think like that's crazy that it takes you know, before I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have seen a Godzilla trailer unless I had gone to the cinema, and now while I'm on another website, someone mentions it, I send it to a friend, and now we're both excited, and it's so easy. I like that, yeah, but I also miss the chase.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Exactly, yeah, and I think a lot of a lot of what we're probably going to be talking about is yeah, that missing the chase. Like there just is no chase anymore. Like, even watching kids' TV shows, like you know, you'd you'd have to wait a whole week for the next episode to come on, and then you'd have to tune in at four o'clock that day and watch it. You know, nowadays you just go to the menu and select the next episode.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Yeah, it's just I that 90s Spider-Man animated, I loved that as a kid, but I could never consistently catch an episode every Saturday morning on live and kicking. So I don't know where that story went. I would just turn up and Peter Parker would be getting angry about something, and I'd be like, I'm in.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

And it wasn't until years later that I actually I think I found like at the DVD of it that I just started watching it and I was like, oh, yeah, oh, you don't actually need to watch this week by week. But if you had a week to wait between each episode, it's great fun. Yeah, or as I did, I went to a toy fair recently and found uh some old turtles videos.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Oh nice, VHS, oh nice, yes. And sometimes they would the the the the BBC or ITV or whatever they would they would just acquire like the first season, so they'd show the first season and then they'd just go back to the first episode and repeat it. So there would be multiple seasons, multiple further seasons of shows that we would never see in the UK. So it would be years later, you know, on streaming or DVD where you would even be able to catch those episodes.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

It's it's like uh I will say though, like being able to like go back and be like, oh, can I watch all of Biker Mice from Mars? It's like yeah, it's here, and it's like, oh sick, I haven't watched that in 30 years. And then it is nice to be able to easily find it, but again, missing the chase. As you can see, I buy a lot of physical media.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yeah, and do you do you still prefer to have a physical copy of everything?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yes, but not in like a weird ownership way. Yeah. Just in like uh I like the idea of cataloguing the films I have and being like, okay, so I've got this film and I can I know it's got some special features on there, there's a nice making of on there. It's all those extra pieces, plus age of film. A lot of my DVDs are sort of 80s, 90s, and early noughties because they were made for that format. And then my Blu-rays are anything fancier, my VHSs or anything, whatever, and then my laser discs over there, yeah, they're for very specific films. And I think it's more about you know, buying the CD of something or but over buying a record. The record's gonna sound good, providing it was recorded at that time period and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, it's a whole system that's completely rubbish that in my head makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Because that Spider-Man cartoon is is on Disney right now, isn't it? But but I remember not I remember you would pay like a hundred quid for that on DVD. There was a box sale that I think CX were selling it for like a hundred quid or something, like in that value, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

And I do this weird thing where I like I can't buy a film. I can buy very specific films just from a website if I want to, but the way I do it is I have a list of things, and if I see it in the wild in like a charity shop at a CEX, or we've got a megastore collectibles place in town, which is great, it's got everything. Um, and I'll spend a good hour just going through every title, and if they have it, I'll be like, right, it's one pound, I can have it, and now I can watch it. Whereas if I don't find it, I'm like, I'm not allowed to watch it yet, haven't found it, can't watch it. So that adds a nice element to it. So uh what film did you watch over and over again as a kid?

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Well, um probably gonna be really boring, and and it's it's just the honest answer. It was Batman 89. It was Perfect. Yeah, and I again this was like so. I was seven years old. It it had come it had come out in June in the States. I think we got it in August, but but I wasn't allowed to go to the cinema at that point. So I was basically relying on stories from other kids, from magazines, from trading cards, as to sticker books, you know, what what was actually going on in this movie. Everybody was talking about it. It was like, what does it look like? You know, what's happening, what's the storyline? I I found out as much as I could, and then eventually it was it was released in I think it was November 1989. It came out it came out in in the US, November 89, but we had to wait until April 1990 for the VHS release, which is is crazy. So there was a video there was a video store called Extra Vision that was in Ireland, so it it it just opened around the time that Batman came out, and this was the first time that a video store would have multiple copies of one film. So previously you'd go to your video store looking for your film, and if somebody had it, they had it, that was it, you know. Or you would see the the cocky kid with the video that you wanted under his arm walking around the store, you know, like showing off that he got it. But I remember Plus copy gents, exactly. So yeah, I remember so I remember walking into extravision, and even though they had multiple copies, I went to the counter and the guy just looked at me and said, Batman, and I was like, yeah, and he just like shook his head. Yeah, so I think I was able to I put my name down for it, that's what you did. So you put your name down for it, and then they would give you a call whenever it was in. So I think it was maybe the next day um I got the call. Uh like Bruce Wayne, and uh I ran down. The bat signal went up. Yeah, exactly. So I ran down to my local extra vision and finally got my hands on it um and then watched it and yeah, loved it, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

And then I think um I still think it's my favourite. Yeah, I saw I watched it again.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Yeah, I watched it again recently. They had like a live orchestra uh screening of it down in Dublin and it's yeah, I think it really holds up. Like it's really it feels like really timeless, you know. It's kinda it's just really enjoyable. Um it's it's it's so rewatchable, you know. So so I would just keep watching. I think eventually it like a pirate video was probably doing the rounds, you know, before because do you remember when so there would be the rental version of the VHS would come out, and then it would be another six months before the retail version. So there was the again yet another six month kind of waiting period. So I would watch, I think there might have been a pirate knocking around, but it was a really shit pirate, you know, of like that someone had filmed in a cinema. And then I think we were travelling to the Isle of Man for a summer holiday, and they were showing it on the ferry, but whatever whatever way the setup was, it was so bright in the room, you know, it was like a projector screen, you couldn't see a thing, and it's such a dark film. But I I I could hear the audio, so it was just like, yeah, it was such a that'll do. Yeah, it was yeah, it was so it was just yeah, the you just had to do whatever it took, you know, to just to experience the film again, like one more time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

No, I I I I still think that that 89 one and then the Batman Returns, those two are definitely my favourites. I think they are just they're excellent. And last time I was in LA, um I went to the Peterson, like the car gallery, because they have the 89 Batmobile there, and I just had to get as close to that thing as possible. I absolutely that's my favourite. Like for Batmobile, that's the best one.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yeah, it was awesome. I had like the I had like a little model kit of that, and just like I mean, it looked like a dog's dinner by the time I had put it together with super glue stuck all over. Um it hasn't been beaten that design, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

No. Have you seen Lego have done a huge uh 89 Batmobile? Yeah, I I have it, yeah, yeah. Yeah, same.

unknown 36:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Which should we do Ecto Yeah, of course. Have you got Ecto 1 as well?

SPEAKER_00 36:32

The big Ecto one. I don't have the big one, no. I have the Playmobil stuff for that, but Oh nice. Yeah, they're obviously marketing all of that stuff at people of our of our age. I don't think kids of this day and age are are that interested in it.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

It's all about I found the Playmobile uh firehouse in a charity shop for like three bucks or something.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

And I was just I I was and this was like two years ago, and I was just like looking to Kirsty and I was like, that is very cheap for what that is. And she was like, Well, you're gonna try and resell it. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Put it in my office.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Yeah, I mean all the the little accessories and things are amazing that come with it. Yeah, like they're obviously whoever's working on that has a love. Yeah, they're probably our age, so they have yeah, they have a connection to it. But yeah, they have the Ecto the Ghostbusters 2 version of the Ecto as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

I think that's what I think that's what mine one is. I think you can change the sort of sled up top to either be like the pared down Ecto 1 or the fancy one with the stuff all over it.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

But nice.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

I have it. Um Batman Comics, what was your um were you a Tim Sale guy? Did you like Long Halloween, or were you more um like did you would did you go for Batman's by the story or by the art?

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Uh well I first started buying Batman comics, they were like UK reprints of American comics, so they'd be like oversized, you know, compared to what the the US versions were like. So I think it was probably around Batman, Batman Returns time. There there was some kind of a reprint kicking around, and they just um they were reprinting year one at the time.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

So it was actually a perfect time to jump on. So they reprinted year one, and then I think they they reprinted year two, and then they got into the the nightfall saga.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

So then that UK comic got cancelled, I think, kind of like halfway through Nightfall. So then I had to jump on to the US.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Right. You never found out whether he got his unbroken.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

No, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, that was a pretty big saga, but uh yeah, I think it lasted like 12 issues, and then they they printed a letter saying, like, you know, well, this is the last issue. Good luck, guys. You might want to check out, you know, these collected editions or whatever. So I started then like kind of importing my comics. So there was uh there was a comic store in Belfast, but being still uh stuck out in the countryside, I I was I was just using like uh a mail order service to to to import comics. I think they were called Ace Comics, they're still around, they're in Colchester. So yeah, it was such a bizarre ordering system. So there's a cat I don't know if you know about previews. There's basically like uh yeah, there's so there's like a catalogue called previews that tells you what's coming out in three months' time and you have to like order your comics. So I would just much to my parents like horror, I would just have these brown packages of comics delivered every month. Um like yeah, whatever Batman stuff was around at the time. So I just I just read like the monthly Batman comics from nightfall like onwards and just would keep keeping it.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

There's some good runs in that time period. There's some really good stories. Like I I think I we were very fortunate uh in our Batman sort of in our age group for Batman. We had a good run of it. There was a bit of a until Tom King came and did the whole Court of Owls stuff, like up to then it had gotten a bit quiet, and then Court of Hours, and then have you read any of um is it the not the new 52? What's the new Batman? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Yeah, I've read a bit of that. I've got a like a pile of stuff that I need to read. So that's the stage where I'm at now where I'm just buying stuff that I don't read, you know.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

So oh, I had to tell my comic book guys like I'm really sorry, can you just stop getting stuff on? Because I haven't I just haven't read it.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I I I haven't managed to get to that point yet. I'm still buying, yeah. I don't want to don't want to let them down.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Oh, but that's the thing. Like, so Paul and Tracy over at Infinite Beyond comics, they've been like um like friends for I think it's like 20 years now. Yeah. And at this point they know that it's like if I'm saying like please, just I will buy the trades eventually if I miss anything, but otherwise, like I can't, I'll just have stacks and stacks and stacks. Or they also know that I'll come in and be like, I'm really into like that Jim Lee era X-Men, and then I'll buy that entire run. Like, I'll just come in and be like, I'll buy all the old stock of that, and I want to read all of it, and then that's it. So they're like, We're not worried.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

So you'll buy the the single issues as opposed to the collected editions, the trade paperbacks?

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Depends, depends what it is. Sometimes I really like the single issue. Like when it comes to old 2000 ADs, I like getting single issues, then collected stories, but then that starts really racking up the cost.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Right. Yeah, and those absolute comics that they're doing now, like they started with just like Batman, Superman, and then it's Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, like Martian Manhunter. Like, they're just they're obviously all in on that now. Like it must be selling well. So there's almost oh, I think that's their bread and butter now.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Is that absolute that absolute Batman? I think it it got to the third printing before you could just pick one up. Yeah, you know what I mean? And you're like, Jesus Christ, like that's so bonkers that it would take to the third printing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

So are you just a Batman guy? Do you not go for anything else?

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Uh I was into I was a big X-Files fan back in the day when that was on TV.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Oh yeah. So my buddy Charlie that I mentioned drew that.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

Oh, fantastic, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was so I was mad into X-Files, I was mad into the um uh Tales from the Crypt, you know, like the EC comics, the old anthology stuff. So I was I was which that that's just come back as well.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

There's like new That's the only line that I um still got up until quite recently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Yeah, they've been doing like all these kind of they're usually limited runs, they don't last forever. So yeah, I was into all that. I was a fan of the TV show uh on TV, and then I just kind of I mean, at the t the the comics, they were just reprints of the old EC comics from the 50s, so they were quite quite out of you know date in a way, yeah. But it was fun to kind of go back and read the the uh stories that the episodes of the TV show were based on, you know. Um and then I would just pick up like random stuff that kind of caught because eventually I would be visiting my comic my local comic shop. So we have a forbidden planet in Belfast, it used to be called Talisman, um and it became a forbidden planet, it's the same owners, uh great guys, and but uh yeah, I would I would eventually just get the bus into Belfast with my mate and we would just buy whatever. So yeah, I just thinking of can't think of anything off the top of my head right now, but just what random stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Um No, that I th they used to do those blind bags where they'd sell you know five random issues, and I'd love Getting one of those because then it would be like, right, here's the third part of a six-part Daredevil, and I'm like, Oh, that's a really cool story, and then I'd go off and buy the trade of it, and it's like, Oh, I I love that because I wasn't ever really a Daredevil guy, but this story was really good, so picking up whatever.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Yeah, and they do free comic book day as well, so you can go and like you know, just grab stuff and kind of there's some interesting things there, like image comics are doing a lot of interesting things.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Yeah, I it's the smaller labels that I'm actually more interested in now. So, like Boom Comics did like some really nice stuff, and I just yeah, I like I've actually really just paired back all of my DC and Marvel stuff because I'm like, yeah, you know Yeah, they're like they're too mainstream now, like and I've also gone to specific authors, so like um what's his name? Uh is it James Tinian IV or whatever? Yes, yes. Like he's done some really nice stuff.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Yeah, like nice house uh The House by the Lake and stuff, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

And the deviant. The deviant was really good. Yeah, I just think like oh I'd rather read these because they're they're almost little they're just little horror films essentially that are taught to you every week and it's nice.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Is it Hello Darkness? I was reading that one, that's a spin-off, isn't it? I think is that a spin-off of his of his stuff? I'm not sure. Yeah, we can fact check that and cut that off.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Oh nice. So there's nothing that you're uh currently books-wise obsessive.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Yeah, I've just got a pile of stuff that I'm intending on reading, but yeah, a lot of it is that horror anthology stuff. So I get all the EC EC stuff, I get the creep show, uh I get Hello Darkness, and Bleeding Hearts was one I just started reading. Vertigo comics have come back, and there's one called Bleeding Hearts, which is like a new take on zombies. Um trying to find uh can't find a copy of it handy. Bleeding Bleeding Hearts. I read the first issue. Yeah, it's it's kind of it's interesting to s it's kind of an interesting take on zombies. I don't really want to say too much.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

You just have to I uh I can't I can't do zombies anymore. I just you've been over saturated. I've been over over zombied.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Over zombied, right.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

And like when um like so my buddy Charlie that I mentioned, it's Charlie Adlard who drew all of The Walking Dead, um he uh when when he did the first when the first series came out, he went over and did a little he's one of the zombies in the background, and they gave him like a disc of the first six episodes before it aired, and I watched it and I think I got to the third episode and I just said to him like I can't with zombies anymore, man. I'm done. And I was done with zombies before The Walking Dead came out, and then since then there's just been so much, and it's like, give me something interesting and I'll come back in. But if we're just gonna play the same formula over and over, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_00 47:01

Yeah, I watched the first season of Walking Dead and then just kind of had no real motivation to watch anything else after that. It was yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

But yeah, what was it about the X-Files comic you liked? Because I uh no one else I know read it. And I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Well, just the fact that it just the fact that there was an X-Files comic, like I was I would have anything to do with the X-Files, I would have I would have bought the magazines, I would have bought the comics, just like anything X-Files that was it was sold. They also they started doing like adaptations, didn't they? Comics, they did like the started doing the episodes, I think they had a slightly different style, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

So uh when so Charlie did the um the top score tandem. Yes. Yeah, yeah. The one that was like in line with it, but when they started to go off to something else, he he jumped ship and then went on to something else. I can't remember what he did after.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Yeah, it was massive business, the X Files, like yeah, back in the day. It's coming back as well, apparently, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Yeah, I d good luck to him.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

Yeah, well, it kind of came, it did come back not that long ago. Yeah, yeah, but it was kinda I've I think the ones that Chris Carter weren't involved wasn't involved with, they were good, you know, but yeah, the kind of the Chris Carter mythology stuff really kind of just went off.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Oh my god, you know? It just it's so it's too much. Like even when it was first on, and I know it was because Jillian Anson was pregnant and they had to have her go and come back and all that kind of stuff. When it got too into the weeds of this whole, you know, they've got a kid that's maybe an alien, I was like, just keep it freak of the week, man. Give me a alien this week, yeah, they're the best.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

Yeah, like if I rewatch it these days, I just skip the mythology episodes.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

I'll just watch the monster over the weeks, like whether it's the the fact that like someone said to me, like, I've never seen X-Files, is it worth it? I'm like, Yes, but of the 20 episodes a series, there's probably about eight that are really good, yeah, and then the rest you can probably just wash out.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Yeah, and it's got and that's at a time when yeah, there would be 20 or 25 episodes in a series, like again, like very different to now, you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

I'm also I'm a big fan of uh the last two series. I think Annabeth Gish and Robert Patrick did a great job.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Yeah, yeah, that was fun.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Being a horror guy, what was the first 18-rated film and uh how old were you?

SPEAKER_00 49:34

Well, the first 18-rated film I watched was not a horror, it was an action. It was called Commando, and it was a story from Arnie. Yeah. So I would have watched all of Arnie's movies on TV with my dad. So my dad was a big Arnie fan, so if there was an Arnie movie on TV, it was being watched in the living room that night, and I'd just be hanging out on the sofa. My dad already knew all the lines. Um like it was yeah, I just yeah, I was watching that stuff whether I wanted to or not. But it's weird that they're rated 18 uh because they're not they're completely tame now. I think you'd see that in like a PG now, you know, other other than the language, like they weren't really violent at all. It was like people pretending that they were getting shot. Like you'd get you'd get worse than that in like Mr. Tumble, you know, these days.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah, 100%. But it's weird, isn't it? Like the fact that was it Terminator went down from an 18 to a 15 when it got released on DVD in the noughties. Whereas Harry can probably get a 12A now. It's nothing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Yeah, because twelves didn't exist in the nineties, did they? So it went straight to fifteen after uh a PG. So that must have really screwed up some movie releases. It's probably why I couldn't go see Batman at the time. Yeah. You know? Uh yeah, I remember yeah, I had to sneak into a couple. I was I think my uncle got me into Gremlins 2, I think that was a 15 and I definitely had to sneak into Batman Returns, but yeah, they would usually just let you in. The Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Like I used to be a cinema like usher. I used to be a projectionist and an usher. And I love being a projectionist until it went horribly wrong and then I hated it. But an usher, if you were uh like a group of teens or like young teens, as long as you weren't dickheads and you and I and the film you were j jumping into like secretly, as long as it wasn't like you're eight and I'm letting you into a sore film, I usually let people in. Yeah, because I was like, this is fine, I think it's okay, you know?

SPEAKER_00 51:43

Yeah, I think like recently, isn't it like Five Nights at Freddy's had a bit of they had a they had that problem where it was rated 15 and or you know, or they just couldn't yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like what we the game's marketed to eight-year-olds. I know. Like, yeah, why are you making a 15-rated film? You know? Yeah, I know, I know. They need to plan that better. But uh there was that what was that film that came out that everyone said it the numbers didn't do too well, but if you look at like a kid's film that came out the exact same year, the numbers of that did like big numbers, and it was because kids were buying tickets for that and then jumping into that instead. I don't remember what the film was now, but they were like the director was like, it's very clear that they were all for us.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

Oh okay. Was that the robot movie The Wild Robot or something? Was that it? It was something yeah, we could look we could look that up.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

We could, but let's use our brains. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll let someone tell me when this comes up.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

But uh yeah, like 18, like in terms of 18 and R-rated films, like things that things that disturbed me and got stuck in my head would have been like there was stuff in like Superman 3. Do you remember when that character gets thrown into a computer at the end and she gets turned into a cyborg? Like I've that was like, you know, that's not an 18, but that completely disturbed me, and I was thinking about that for days. Like and then occasionally you'd go to like uh another kid's house and they'd have something that you shouldn't be watching, you know, like child's child's play or something, um, or like uh Robocop. I remember watching like the first 10 minutes of RoboCop and Ed 209's like shooting that guy, and it was like, oh my god, like they that was your heart would go. You'd be like, I shouldn't be watching this. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was just that much blood on screen, was like I don't think kids today, I think maybe with YouTube and stuff, they're just they don't seem to give a shit about that stuff anymore. I think it takes a lot more to shock.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Yeah, I I don't want it to be the only thing that'll ever shock me as a fucking Serbian film. I want to be shocked by something I wasn't expecting, you know. I want to get spooked from exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

One of the early films that got me was E.T. E.T. and Edward Scissor Hands, both a U and a PG or both PGs, those films terrified me as a kid. I don't know why. You can't remember what it was about, just well Edward Scissor Hands having Scissors for Hands scared the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think just been Yeah, it's funny you should mention that. I'm I'm gonna mention that film. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Yeah. Uh but uh yeah, the uh E.T. definitely got me just the spookiness of um the like the Reese's pieces, like in the dark, and that that shot of like the door open with the light, and you can see out into sort of like the outside shed area, and that's where E.T. is. I remember as a kid that just being like that's terrifying. That's so scary. Outside is scary.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Yeah, that was it was the atmosphere as well that he was creating, like in the sound and the music and stuff. Like, yeah, I think there's yeah, that there's a lot of that that can get under your skin, especially as a kid, yeah. There's probably that anticipation as well about what you were gonna see. Like you'd no idea what what was coming because that that opening on ET is quite uh that's quite horrific, that kind of th that all that like fast cutting and this kind of creature like running through the lights and stuff, like that's quite scary, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

And the that weird scream he makes as well. It's too much. It's too much, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that's good stuff. Um so what was the first film you watched that you considered that you've yeah, that you considered grown up?

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Well, yeah, I was thinking about this, so there was an experience that I had when I went to see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the Ooze.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

Very adult film.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

My uncle and auntie brought me to see that, but the f there was something whatever happened, there was some issue with the cinema and they couldn't show it. So we went to see something else that was on at the same time, and it was called Edward Scissor Hands. So Edward Scissor Hands, I had knew nothing about it, um, and didn't had no idea what to expect. But but when I watched Edward Scissorhands, it was so I mean I'd been a I'd seen Beetlejuice, I'd seen Batman, like so I was aware of Tim Burton's work or whatever, but I wasn't at that moment I probably was I wasn't really thinking, oh, this is a Tim Burton film. You know, your your your head didn't work that way, you know, back when you were a kid. So so I was nine years old at this point, um, and just watching Edward Scissorhands, it was just the films, it just felt so like designed. Like I felt like I was watching you know, a director's vision on screen, and it kind of like got me thinking, okay, these films are actually made by people, you know? Yes. So I could see the production design, um, you know, just the shots, the way it was filmed, like the kind of weird performance. It's like, okay, somebody's making decisions here about how to play all of this stuff. So that was the first thing I saw where I was like, okay, these things are directed by people, and then that kind of got me down this rabbit hole looking for other things. Like it would get that that's what sent me off looking for things like David Lynch. You know, I'd watch Yeah, I'd be I'd watch A Razor Head, you know, Cronenberg Videodrome, The Fly, um, you know, and then again later, you know, like Wes Anderson a bit later, you know. It's just like but yeah, it was Edward Scissorhands that kind of yeah, I guess made me kind of feel grown up in the sense that okay, these films are made by people. Like I I kind of that's interesting. That's what got me, and um I guess that's probably what planted the seed then early on about filmmaking and how filmmaking was an actual thing, you know. Nice. But you you were you were afraid of Edward scissor hands, were you? Was it the tag all?

SPEAKER_02 58:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

Um Johnny Depp's very weird sort of arms out, hand like scissor hands pointing towards his sort of like legs, but his elbows out and the hair and everything, and it all yeah, I just found that as a kid to be too much imagery. Right? Like I just couldn't do it, even to the point where I remember being scared and saying to my mum, he wouldn't get me because my name's also Edward, would he? Like, that's how I was.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

And it just I couldn't do it, man. And then I went back and watched it later and I realised it's actually hilarious. Like it's it's a very well-made film, obviously. But yeah, as a kid, it was too much. Like I was a I liked Adam's Family as a kid, loved Adam's Family as a kid, but that was an acceptable like horror, if you know what I mean. Yeah, whereas Edward Cezanne's I found that to be too much, just too weird, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:11

Too weird, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

And I think uh maybe it had something to do with the spectacular set design that you have all these pastel coloured houses all lined up and everyone's going it, and then you've got this gothic sort of horror, and everything's dying, and it's all horrible and it's snowing for some reason, and not as a kid understanding duality, not understanding what any of this meant, and just sort of being like, Well, that's scary, that's that's weird, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you would have been a little bit younger probably at the time than I would have been. Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

When when did Ev's hands come out?

SPEAKER_00 59:47

94? Yeah. 91 actually. Oh shit. I was three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that would have been like a video tip or a TV video.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

Yeah, it'd be video or when it came on TV. I definitely would have caught it. Maybe it was on at Christmas, like the Radio Times, give it a circle, and then regret instantly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

You know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

So yeah. It's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

I I think though that having that as your film to sort of like um awaken the the idea of cinema is a good one to do because it I you can see it instantly. You can see instantly why that would wake up someone to be like making films. Go on then.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:32

Yeah, it's kinda it kind of reawakened my interest in in Tim Burton as well, and it kind of then went back and kind of reappreciated things like like Beetlejuice, or I pr I probably went back and found Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, which I wouldn't have seen on the original release, so it kind of first time I actually started digging into like a director's past, you know. They released that uh DVD of Nightmare uh Nightmare Before Christmas, they had some of his shorts on there, like Vincent's or Frank and Weenie. Um you know, that was fun, and then there was like the making of books they would release for movies. I'd start to buy those and pay attention. You you always got the art the art of books that would come along with the film.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

And yeah, again, like yeah, just kind of just started to take an interest on what was happening behind the scenes, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

My film for that was Jurassic Park. Like I wasn't old enough to see it at the cinema. My parents deemed it too spooky for you know kids. And then I was so excited, my brother got it on video one Christmas or something, and I was so like, I gotta see this, I gotta see this film. And I watched it, and it's the first time that I I was like, Who's Steven Spielberg? They're a they're someone, I like what they're doing. Yeah, Hook was the first film I saw at the cinema, and it was like, okay, so so a bit like with the same with you, is Spielberg was my sort of like, I what's this director thing? I want to do that, I want to be a director, and that was how I wasted my entire life. If I had seen something more practical, like, oh, what is this uh builder? I wish I was a builder for his work. Instead, I was like, let's go be a filmmaker, very lucrative.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

Did you start to like notice things in Spielberg's films, like his little trademarks and things?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Yeah, all his little trademarks, especially if they've been shot by like Janice, uh Kaminsky, whatever, like you can see that visual style go across all of his work, and then you you you can read how he's gonna shoot it, and you can read all that kind of stuff, and it was like you know, as a kid, slowly coming into those things, knowing that Peter Pan complex that he always plays with, there that and all that, that's all great fun. But then getting a bit older, same Private Ryan onwards, where he starts doing grown-up films, you you do sort of look at them like, oh, ooh, okay, so this is his other side of storytelling. The fact he can give you Schindler's List and Jurassic Park in the same year shows that that man is yeah, yeah, phenomenal, yeah. But yeah, yeah. Um is there a a filmmaker that you would love to work with? You're gonna shoot your shot now.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Um god, yeah, just just any of the grits, like anyone that has like a like yeah, movies that I'd love to have worked on, like The Wrestler by Aronofsky. I would love to love to work on something like that, just like a just like a really cool kind of character piece, you know, you're just kind of following this one character, and I seem to like tragedies. I like like The Fly, I really like the the Cronenberg Fly movie. Um yeah, or like Paul Thomas Anderson or something like that, or like I recently went back and have bought all of his work in the best quality I can.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, he's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

Yeah, I think Zack Kregger's doing some interesting stuff in the horror with with weapons and Barbarian and um Barbarian was excellent. Yeah, and I'm I'm intrigued to see what this new obsession movie is gonna be like. There's a lot of talk about it. Uh Curry Barker, have you seen his his uh YouTube feature that he did called Milk and Cereal? Yes. Oh yes. Yeah, it's just it's up on uh just up on YouTube, yeah. So like it's it's funny now you have a lot of these YouTubers that are becoming filmmakers. You've got the iron long guy, uh the the But I mean they've they've got what like 30 million followers, like yeah, they the audience is like they they have the audience ready to go. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, but I suppose they've put a lot of work into getting that audience, I guess, and then Oh, yeah. I I'm not downplaying the hardware. Yeah, but then there's like uh the uh the backrooms, that's quite a interesting project. That's it looks quite interesting, but again that existed as a I think it was some YouTube shorts originally. Is that what it was? Video game, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was the video game created by the kid that's directing the movie then?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Is that oh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

Yeah, I think they've I think they've hired I think it's a pretty young guy who's gonna who's directing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Oh backrooms one.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Backrooms, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking um Exit 8.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Oh, Exit 8, that's another one, yeah, yeah. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

Yeah, no, the backrooms. I don't know if it's the same guy, but the fact that he's like 20?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

Yeah, yeah, I think he did the shorts. Yeah, yeah. Fair play to him. Yeah, but again, there's a massive audience waiting for that film. It's like like my uh like my eight year old nephew knows what backrooms is. Like, yeah, that's it's crazy. It's like it's bonkins. I think video games are almost like the new Yeah. They're the new comic book movie. These days I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

W a friend of mine, um when his one of his lads went to like a careers day thing, apparently it used to be everyone wanted to get into the film industry, but now everyone wants to get into the video game industry. No one's interested in getting into film. Okay. And it's like, oh that's interesting, like that it's crossed over. Yeah. But then how it's also come back where it's like, yeah, but make all the video games, but then we'll make them into films. And it's like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

Yeah, we all end up in the same place eventually. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

I am also looking forward to um Lee Cronin's mummy film.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

Yeah, it's out on Friday. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I'm interested to see what he's gonna do with that. I was a fan of Evil Dead Rise. Yes. So yeah, he's a big fan of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:50

He's done really well, yeah. Um so what film holds a special place in your heart?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

Okay, so this film is it holds a special place in my heart because it was so hard to get my hands on it. And it's Tales from the Crypt presents Demon Knight. Nice. Which is a bit random. But uh it was released in America in June 1995. Uh I'm not even I I I think it may have had a theatrical release here. It might not even have, it might have just gone straight to video. But that video took forever to come out, and I just remember just trying to find information. You would see the movie advertised on the back of comics, you know, but this was for the US release, obviously. So we had no idea. So eventually I think I found out when it was coming out um to rent, and I was able to like go down to my local video store and like put my name down for it, and I I I remember I was able to get it like the day that it came out, so I was the first person that had it. Nobody else was probably interested in it, yeah. But uh, yeah, and then this was this video shop would have would have allowed you to take the covers home, which was weird. Yeah, and these were like the big box covers, so this like pristine quality uh big box of Tales from the Crypt Demon Knight. I was able to pop in this fresh copy and watch it. And I just yeah, I I think the movie's like just really fun. Like there's an amazing performance from Billy Zane, the practical effects are awesome, the soundtracks like s just so 90s. Um and of course the the Cryptkeeper, you know, to like present it and bring you in and bring you out again. And I just yeah, they kind of it wasn't based on a on any of the EC comics, it was like an original story. Apparently it had been the script had been knocking around since before the the Tales from the Crypt show even existed. So yeah, it predates the TV show apparently. So yeah, I just thought it was a a lot of fun and I still kind of enjoy watching it. Like it's I think it has a a lot of rewatch value. And I was a fan of the I was a fan of comic books, obviously, at the time. I was a fan of Tales from the Crypt, and you know, there's a cool scene where the kids like you know, reading the comic of what's actually happening in the movie at the time, you know. Of course, I was a sucker for that kind of thing. So yeah, that's that's definitely uh something, yeah, it has a special place in my heart. So have you seen it? You're a fan of it or I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

You've never seen it, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Do you have a copy of it now?

unknown 1:09:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

Have you gone back and yes, I did go back. I think I found a Blu-ray, but it's like uh it's like a European Blu-ray release. I don't know if it's properly in the UK. There's like a there's a region one Blu-ray knocking around which you could probably find. And yeah, the um it's it's yeah, it's funnel funnily enough, all these years later it's still not that easy to to find, but uh you'll get it somewhere. They did a second one, they did another Tales from the Crypt movie after that called Bordello of Blood, which wasn't quite as as good.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

This film's got Billy Zane, William Sadler, Jada Pinkett, C C H Pounder.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:19

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:21

Dick Miller, yeah. Yeah Thomas Shaden Hurt, Tim, Thomas Hayden Church. Like it's bunkers.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:27

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a stacked cast for sure. Yeah, yeah, you've got to check it out. That's on the watch list.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

Yeah, I kind of my buddy Rob uh has given it four out of five on that book, so that's a good sign.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:42

There you go, Rob's alright. Oh Rob's alright, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but it has a real nice kind of it's it's made in the 90s, but it's it kind of feels like an 80s movie in a way. You know, it's like feels a little bit like the 80s blob movie. Oh nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

I I I love a good schlucky 80s, 90s horror film.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:03

Yeah, with practical effects and like 100%. Yeah. There's that kind of like lightning effect that only really existed at that time. Like I think they they I think modern VFX they draw it on or something still look shitter than some of that stuff, you know. Yeah, I love it. I love it all. I watched the recent uh Spider-Man trailer and I I st I still don't think the effects look as good as the Sam Raimi movies. Not at all. You know, it's like that they they they still can't pull that off. Like why why can't they repeat that?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:35

Because it's all the um they sacrifice most of the practical, don't they? So they'll like, oh we'll do all of it in green screen, and then at least there's no weird cut. And you're like, well no, because if you do it all practically and you enhance it just a little bit, if you have to, with CG, then it's real, and your eyes know when you're looking at something real. Like if your eyes just watching CG, you just know it's like I'm just watching animation, so none of this is spectacular. Whereas if you're seeing someone actually swinging around and coming into frame and taking off their mask, you're like, that's happening. And yeah. Doesn't do it. Doesn't do it. Yeah. So what's your controversial opinion on a famous film?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

Well, this is gonna be very controversial, um, and it's Star Wars. I'm just not into it. I don't know what it is. It's just it's fine. I maybe I You know what I mean? I'm with you. Yeah, I was born I was born in 81, so I think I was just after the excitement of Star Wars. Um, so I would have just been like presented with the VHS of Star Wars, and I think I watched them all. Like uh I just I just could never get into it. It was just like it was too much. It was just like and I'm I mean I'm a guy that loves Batman stuff, so I'm fine with a guy running around with his pants on the outside of his trousers or whatever, but with Star Wars, it was all these kind of crazy worlds, these kind of ridiculous made-up names, and it was just too silly, and even as a kid I just found it quite silly, it just didn't do anything for me. I I I don't know what what it was. Like when Star Wars came on TV, I would just I would go out to play.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:32

Nice. That's that's commitment to the hatred. Jesus like I when so well when they reissued them in '97 and they like put them back on the cinema. I watched them as a kid then and I enjoyed the first one, and then in 99, obviously they came out with all the prequels, and I was old enough of age to sort of enjoy them as they came. But then by the time that those new sequels came out, I couldn't have cared less. And I watched them and I was like, these aren't for me, these are for the next generation, they're not for me. And then at that point, I was like, I just don't think I care anymore. And like I've I just couldn't like I tried like my partner had never seen them, so I was like, Oh, the originals are good, we should put those on. I don't think we got off the Death Star before I was like, uh, you know what? I'm I I'll put leave it on if you want to watch it, but I'm gonna go upstairs and do something else. And she was like, No, no, please turn this off, this is shit. And I was like, Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

Yeah, yeah, I know, and they just I mean, obviously, we're now in 2026, it's like they've milked it and milked it and milked it and milked it to like the point where yeah. I I I mean, apparently some of the recent TV shows and things are are good, but I I just can't be bothered.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

I'm sure they are. Yeah. Like I say, I'm not gonna bother. I know I haven't got the time, right? I haven't got the time to sift through seasons of acceptable Oh, the whole thing was good, but each episode wasn't good. It's like I ain't got time for that. I ain't got time for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

Like, yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot. So yeah, that's my my controversial opinion, but um I'm I'm glad you're not like yeah, die hard. If I'd have seen uh like a Star Wars poster up in the background, I would have been worried, you know. I'd have to like quickly change my opinion to something else. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

I I wanted to paint the Jaws poster, so that's what that is. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a difficult one, the Jaws, uh the Star Wars one, because everyone loves it apparently. And yeah, I just it's I th I feel like it's the same as Lord of the Rings, where you either have to adore it or like you you for some reason you hate it. There's no acceptable just middle ground of like I don't I just don't care. You know, like stuff I don't care. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure it's fine. And people are like, what do you mean you don't like it? And it's like ah, I don't care enough to argue. Like, I just don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Yeah, where do you stand on Lord of the Rings? Is that do you like Lord of the Rings?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

I I'll I'd sooner watch I'd sooner watch the Lord of the Rings films than I would Star Wars films, but also I could happily go the rest of my life without seeing them.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

Yeah, and they're they're milking that as well, now aren't they? They're making like more of those. So many. So it's like yeah, they just know don't know when to stop.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:37

Yeah. And I think was it Circus is doing um like the hunt for Gollum or something. And at this point you're just a bit like, alright, Andy, let it die. Alright? Just let it go. Let it die.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

Yeah, that's that's his thing. Yeah. I think it's quite sad as well with Star Wars that like George Lucas didn't get to do anything other than Star Wars, really, you know, after you know, like that just became his thing. Like, there's bound to have been more interesting movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:10

I know that he had a big say in um the Indiana Jones films. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It would have been maybe it would have been nice to see what he'd done, but then didn't they say that he is the reason Indiana Jones 4 is the way Indiana Jones 4 is? And it's like, Indiana Jones 4 is fine. Like, I don't know why people complain about it, but okay, fine, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird uh it's a weird industry. Oh, isn't it just? Isn't it just so uh what have you been watching recently?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

What have I recently I've been kind of going back over some older stuff like the ghost stories for Christmas series uh the BBC stuff like I kind of just like um I just like kind of I mean I watch that stuff obviously I love the horror, I love the the atmosphere, but I kind of just like looking at at the backgrounds and and seeing what people's living rooms were like in the 70s, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

It's like before this before this recording I was watching a sixty uh seventies documentary about the Barbican or something. So I was I just wanted to see like what was their them going to the laundry at what was that like? What's that look like?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:23

Exactly, yeah. Like yeah, I watched an old horror film recently, it was an old Christmas-based movie, I forget the name of it. Like um oh, it was like uh name me a classic horror film set at Christmas, uh Silent Night Deadly. Okay, yeah, like Black Christmas or something. Yeah, and there was a scene in a toy shop, and it was just like that. This was obviously pre-superheroes, and the toys were just like old dolls and like astronauts and like really innocent kind of character, you know, toys. And not nowadays it's all just you know, Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Ghostbusters, you know, all the stuff we loved. But yeah, it was is it yeah. Well, I think yeah, not it's all coming back, isn't it? Everything comes back around.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:12

I have new Turtles toys over there, so yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

Yeah, it just goes around in circles. But yeah, yeah, I just yeah, I like what I like look watching the old stuff and just looking at the backgrounds, yeah. And then um recent things, I've been watching that primal, the animated series by Gandhi Patovsky.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:32

Yeah, my father-in-law's really good. That was I the first episode got me right in the heart and I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:38

Oh yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that's quite it's quite a sad beginning. But yeah, it's a but yeah, there's no dialogue really in the entire show, and they've done like you know, it's a cave it's a caveman and a dinosaur, they kind of become friends, um, and uh they're on like season three at the minute. Season three is just like completely out there without without spoiling anything, but it's it's an amazing show. Um and yeah, I just I just really enjoy it. I think it's just it has no dialogue ever, it's just like really fun to watch. And again, I suppose it's like back back to comic books, it's like watching a live-action comic book, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:16

Well they always say that with a comic book, isn't it? They say that if you can tell the story without dialogue boxes, then the story works. Yeah. So if they're doing a whole animated show with no dialogue, it works.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:28

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, and I've been enjoying um the Safety Brothers movies. I've just been going back watching all their old their older stuff, like heaven knows what, good time, uncut gems. Like, I think they've got a real kind of unique kind of texture to their movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:47

So that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

I've been enjoying that, and they've obviously they've kind of split up now, I think, and they're they're making things like individually, and so it's quite interesting to watch their recent work and sort of see who was responsible for what and their joint work, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:02

Which is Joel and which is Ethan Cohen, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:05

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's interesting uh to watch watch that, yeah. And then and then I watched a movie called Life Hack, which is like uh it's a screen life movie, you know, it's so it's like just be it's you just see a computer screen. Uh you know, like uh they're called screen life films, you know, like um I can't think what was the previous name me a screen life famous screen life movie. Is it like unfriended or exactly yeah, yeah, so it's it's not a horror, it's a kind of a it's like uh it's about four teenage slackers who attempt a kind of a multi-million dollar Bitcoin heist from their bedroom. Um it's directed by a guy from from Northern Ireland called Ronan Corrigan, and it's I think it's just been released in the States. Um but yeah, it's a really really well done. Really well done. So really great performances and uh it's worth a watch. Okay, yeah, that's what I've been a bit random.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:05

No, it sounds good though, because a lot of people when especially when they've either just come out of uh a project or they're about to get into one, when I ask, like, oh what have you been watching? They're like, no, no. Like, because I'm either I'm watching the monitor all day, or they're like, Well, the director's come in and told me to watch all of these things, so I've been watching all of these things, but I can't really talk about them, and I also don't really want to talk about them, if you know what I mean. It's like I've not watched anything for fun. Yeah. So it's nice that you've had some fun things to watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:35

I get that because when I'm working on something, I kind of the last thing I want to do at the end of a day is watch uh fully edited, fully sound mixed, perfectly graded, all the music, the effects, and it's oh, this is an amazing movie. Yeah, exactly. And I'm going back in the next day to like a dog's dinner of an edit, you know, like okay, how am I gonna sort this mess up? So yeah, it's I find it quite depressing to watch things while I'm working, so I definitely watch more stuff in between jobs than while I'm on the job. Like when I'm on the job, I'll just watch like stuff on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:14

Like, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:15

Oh my god. The amount of stuff I watch on YouTube. Yeah, it's kind of the amount of Japanese skilled craftsmen that I've watched on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:25

Yeah, I've been into a bit of that, and like, yeah, there's there's travel travel vloggers.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:31

There's a guy called Trek Trendy, and Okay I can't stand him, but I've watched every episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:38

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why I do it. Yeah, it's it's since the since the pandemic, I've I've really gotten into YouTube, I think. Like there's this one guy who goes to his local Walmart every Tuesday and tells you what new DVDs have been released that week. So while the pandemic was happening, I was I think I was living like vicariously through this guy and going out into Walmarts and looking at DVDs because it during the pandemic that was like a cool thing. That was like a big thing to do. You know, you were taking your life in your hands. Risky business. So uh risky business, and but I'm still yeah, I still watch his videos every week.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:20

Um I do I think it's Chase After the Right Price, and he does like video games and stuff. I'm not a massive gamer, you know. I I I've played video games, sure, but out of me and my partner Kirsty, Kirsty is the gamer. But his videos, it's just him going to like garage sales or something and being like, oh, they've got this game, and this game's really old because of this reason, and I'm gonna go haggle over here for these games. And I'm just like, yes, show me that harvest game that I've never heard of. Show it to me, and like and I have to watch them and I get way into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:53

Oh yeah, yeah, you enjoy it, yeah. I know it's it's it is crazy though. It's like I wonder what else I'd be doing with my time if I just stopped watching it. The amount of books I'd fucking read, or the time the amount of time the dog would get walked if I actually didn't pay attention. Exactly. Uh or probably just scroll for another R on Instagram or something. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:16

Just find another screen to look at.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Exactly, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

But I mean, I was getting really um like headachey at the end of the days, and I was like, I don't know why I'm getting headachy. And then I thought I should probably put these on. Okay. And for the listener, I'd put my glasses on. And all of a sudden the headaches went away. And I was like, who'd have thought, who'd have thought staring at a screen all day with my glasses off would give me a headache. And have you always had glasses? In the last ten years, I've worn them, but only for when I meant to be looking at screens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:50

Yeah, yeah. Well, lesson learned.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:52

I remember the first time I went to the cinema wearing my glasses, and uh up until that point I thought 4K was a myth. Like, I was watching it and I was like, oh fuck, this is good.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:05

Yeah, it's kinda do you or do you have a lot of 4K stuff then? Are you into all of that side of things? Yeah, now I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:11

Now I do. And like I I really give it the attention it deserves now.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Yeah, it's great. I think if you have a good set, like I have a projector that uh a 4K projector that I'll use, um, I'll just pop it up. That's the I have a pop-up screen behind me. Oh nice. Um, but I find in my living room, if I'm just watching a movie, like if I'm sitting a couple of meters away from the TV, I find it difficult to to tell between 4K and Blu-ray. Sometimes you're probably more of a connoisseur, are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:41

Like some some films, I mean we we we'll get into it. Some of my laser discs, like my laser discs of Jim Cameron's films, are better than some Blu-rays I have. Yeah. Because depending on how they transferred it, is whether it's going to look good or not. So I've got some DVDs that look great, you know? And then I've got some Blu-rays that look absolute dog shit. Right. So it really depends on the transfer that they did.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:06

Yeah. It's not just about the resolution, it's about the the colour space and stuff like that. Exactly. And then there's other films, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:15

Oh yeah, I was about to say, like, a a lot of it like AI smoothing can kind of ruin it and doesn't really like give it the same feel. But then things like Lawrence of Arabia on 4K, like that film's beautiful anyway. Yeah. So make that 4K is gonna look even better. So yeah, there's some films that just by nature, the way they were shot, they are just made to be turned into 4K. And then there are other films that you don't need a film from the nineties in 4K because it wasn't made for 4K. It was made for VHS, it was made to be watched at home, you know. Right. So Yeah. Though I did pick up Thesis, um, and Menabar Alejandro La Menabar's like first film. And it's fucking great. And like I got that on 4K. And that was one of those ones where I was like, it's a 90s film from Spain that was shot really low budget. It probably doesn't need to be 4K. But the way that they had upscaled it, it was like, oh, actually, this is really nicely done. It's still got grain, it's still got warmth, it's still got all that flavour that it had. But it's now the best version I can see it in around. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

And you used to be a projectionist, so you're you're you're all about the exhibition of the film. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:32

Yeah, and there's something about it that is just that is heavy range.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:37

I know, I know, it's crazy. It just started, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

Um, yeah, like having a film shown in a specific way or by a specific sort of like format and medium, it I think that adds to the story, the storytelling of it. If if the director knew, well, this is gonna go straight to video, people are gonna be watching this on their small screens. Yeah, it's that same thing that like what Eminem used to, once he listened to the the master of a a song, they put it on cassette and listen to it in the car. Because if it sounded good in the car, that's like how it's gonna sound to everyone else that's listening. And I was like, Yeah, that's it. You wanna you wanna watch the film with which its original intended audience was meant to see it as, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:23

Awesome. Yeah, fuck, I'm glad that rain didn't start an hour ago, we'd have been screwed.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

Ah, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em. Um alright, well, thank you very much, Brian. It's been wonderful to speak to you. Uh, do you want to do a shout out for uh the films, like the films that are coming out?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:41

Yeah, well, we've got Hokum's coming out on the first of May and cinemas everywhere, and uh the incomer will be out probably towards the end of this year, so keep your eyes peeled for that one. And uh that's Donald Gleason, isn't it? Yeah, Donald Gleason's the lead, and there's a couple of other Scottish actors in it, Gail Rankin and Grant O'Rourke. So yeah, it's a really it's kind of like a really weird, odd kind of folk comedy. And it's uh it's it's different, but uh I think it's it's gone down really well with people that we've played it for so far. So yeah, fingers crossed, you'll enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:19

Excellent. Well, thank you very much, and uh plenty of things I'm gonna add to my watch list. I think the was it Dark Knight? No. Demon Knight. Yeah. Demon Knight, that's going straight on. Straight on. Great. I'll f I'll track it down, I'll find it. Cutting for ya. Anyway, thank you very much.