Rebel Minx - Clarissa Jacobson and Shayna Weber - Screenwriters, filmmakers

Joining me this week, Clarissa Jacobson and Shayna Weber

Screenwriters, filmmakers,, and good pals, Clarissa and Shayna create thought-provoking, smart genre content that is unique, fun, has heart, is pro-woman AND pro-man, and is oftentimes fuckin' irreverent.

Clarissa is the writer, producer, and creator of the multi-award-winning horror/comedy short, Lunch Ladies, based on her feature.  The film was in more than one hundred festivals including France's Clermont-Ferrand, garnered forty-six wins, and gold standard distribution all over the world.  She also created and starred in the follow-up short, A Very Important Film, and directed the doc Butts with Shayna.  In addition, she is a voiceover artist, and her book - I Made A Short Film Now WTF Do I Do With It (a guide to film festivals, promotion, and surviving the ride) - is available in bookstores and on her website. An Indonesian translation can also be purchased via DM at Minikino Hotline. 

Shayna is a screenwriter, producer and director originally from Bend, Oregon.  Shayna started out working in casting and talent management before settling into a career as a producer, during the rise of unscripted television, where she developed, produced and directed a number of projects.  Her roster of shows includes: “So You Think You Can Dance,” “RuPaul’s Drag Race,” “Weakest Link,” VH1’s “Band’s Reunited,” “Brew Dogs,” “She’s Got The Look,” Disney’s “Code 9,” and the Miss Universe Pageants.  She has worked for NBC, Fox, Disney, MTV, VH1, Travel Channel, Discovery and Bravo. Shayna also produced the award-winning, horror/comedy, Lunch Ladies, and directed, A Very Important Film and Butts which is currently on the film circuit.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to Your Life in Film. I'm your host, Ted Bennett. Joining me this week, Clarissa Jacobson and Shana Weber. Screamwriters, filmmakers, and good pals. They go by the duo writing moniker uh Rebel Minx and they create thought-provoking, smart genre content that is unique, fun, has hearts, pro woman, pro-man. Uh, we had a good conversation. I like these two. They're uh got on board. I feel like very much was uh on it straight away. It's very good. We start the conversation with Clarissa talking about her book. So enjoy.

SPEAKER_07 0:32

Second edition of my book. I got it back from my publisher because I didn't want to write a second edition because it was too much work. And it's literally, it's taken me fucking six months. Like yesterday, I finally, after six months of like the layout wasn't right, this wasn't right, that I uploaded it all yesterday. The voiceover version's almost done. I feel like I'm gonna have a new lease in life. Because it's been like every day working on this fucking book. So that's what I've been doing. And then Shane and I are working on our Justin Cody project, which is this project in Canada. What about you? What have you been up to?

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Oh, uh I went to like a fun location the other day because we're trying to think of like um like a new uh horror feature that we want to work on. And a friend's uh family own a dairy farm out in the country, and about three years ago, uh like the matriarch of the family passed away, and the house has just been like lock the door, leave. And like he was like, Do you want to come take a look? And I was like, Yeah, yeah, I do, mate. Like, that's gonna sound sick. And then like I went to have a look, and there was this sort of like, oh, the the sink still has her cups in it. Like, yeah, it's it's just like she passed, they got her out, and they never went back in, but like the power's still on, the water's still running, right? And there was some grim looking things in that house. But it was just like, ooh, what are you doing with this? And they're like, Nothing. It's it's literally gonna sit like this, probably until like he's like, he said, until my dad dies, because he doesn't want to address it.

SPEAKER_08 2:09

And it was like, Oh yeah, one of those sad. And I was like, Yes, yeah, like, yeah, go mess this up so that it doesn't become a thing. It'd be better just to get in there and like shift it so then it's not that heavy. Yeah, that and that memory just sitting there and then getting dust, and then it's like you walk, it's like one of those ghost hunter things that walks in and things are still in their place after 40 years, and you're just like, oh yeah, so creepy.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

I love that.

SPEAKER_07 2:39

So are you mainly a writer or director?

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Director, a producer, director, well, more director-producer, like it's I always find that if there's the right story, like I'd rather the story be told by the right people. So if it's like, oh, that's a great story, I'd like I'd like to, but I couldn't direct that one. I don't have that sort of thing, but I know someone who does, and I'm I'm very happy to like connect as many people as I can and be like, you two, yeah, you go you go work on this, because this would be great. So it's it's that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_07 3:11

But I love that ego doesn't get in the way.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Oh no, no, no, no, no. Like my my ego is purely saved for my letterbox watch list, and that's it.

SPEAKER_09 3:23

Well, if you need any horror writers, we're two girls right here.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

Well, I I think there needs to be more uh noise made about female horror writers because there always seems to be. Look at this guy's interpretation of what women would be doing.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

And it was like, oh my god! Barbarian! That's what I'm gonna bring up. The fucking barbarian right there. Yes, you're our man.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Perfect, perfect. But yeah, it's it's always bonkers where it's just like, ooh, how about you get first hand writers writing these things instead?

SPEAKER_08 3:59

But yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

But yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:02

Well, but also sometimes with female writers, you get the opposite, like you think you're gonna get it, but you don't get it. Like when you scared about the one my controversial film is uh the substance.

SPEAKER_06 4:13

So for that reason.

SPEAKER_08 4:15

So we'll we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_07 4:16

But I love barbarians. Women trying too hard to be feminist instead instead of just having their voice.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

Yeah, like that. It's about equality, and if you are being equally commanding of the screen through power and just through um like character, that is equally as like important as like overly shouting a specific uh message like that that's not that's now singling out. That's not equal, and I yeah, it annoys me.

SPEAKER_07 4:45

Yeah, I knew you were gonna do the substance. I knew it. I know, I was like, ah, I'm ready for this. But I'll argue with you a little on that. That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

You guys go by the uh the the group writing as Rebel Minks?

SPEAKER_07 4:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

And how long am producture and how long um have you guys been uh writing uh double app?

SPEAKER_07 5:07

God, what has it been? Since it was right before COVID, right? That we started together? How many years is it? I feel like you've always been in my life. Like when you have a child, that they've just always been in your life. You've always been in my life, Shayna. We actually met in writing class and then we didn't write together for a while because I was like, I'm doing my own thing. And then it became easier to write to like Shayna's like, let's write this project together. And I feel like that was I mean, you were at, I was thinking about that, you were at uh Park Librea when we first started working. That was a fraternity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 5:42

Is he 10 yet?

SPEAKER_07 5:44

Almost.

SPEAKER_08 5:44

Yeah, so so we've been doing this 10 years. Yeah, we met in writing group a long time before that, and then Clarissa went on a trip to Europe and she had the funniest stories about not getting laid. And I'm pregnant and hot sitting there, and I'm like, we have to put this in a script. So that was our first script together called Lacation. And we still want to get this thing made. It's so funny and ridiculous. And it's sort of like the the response, it's the diss track, if you will, to the movies that are like the girl road trip movies where it's like you find out that the one girl has been sleeping with the other's husband, and there's like that drama. This is strictly like two chicks who run away from their problems to go to Europe to get laid because no offense, you European guys are easier to get, to hug, but that's not the case. So they get there and everything falls apart and they cannot get laid, and but that's the mission.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

But I I I love that because every time, um, like every time I ever watch things of a similar thing from like a guy's perspective, it's always these guys that are sort of almost Adonis-like, and they go away, and then there's just a sea of women that they bed. And I went I went on a like uh a sort of a lad's holiday to Cancun to a swingers hotel, and it was like honestly, we didn't I didn't know. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_11 7:18

I would like to do that. You didn't know, sure.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

I didn't know when I was first told, but I knew plenty of time ahead of time. But whoa! But like there's the English show The In Between Us, which is about like, you know, just four English normal kids. It was like that. When we went, like, I went in my mid-twenties, but it was just like four of the most generic, dweeby-looking, slightly overweight kids, like turning up to this place where every man and woman is immaculate. Like, whether it's cosmetic or like genuine, they were immaculate. And then there's just us, and it was like, oh, this.

SPEAKER_07 7:59

That is a great idea for a script right there. Yeah. That's that's like location too. Lacation two from a guy's point of view.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

There we go. I mean, we've had all of these, you know, uh gender swap things. Maybe we'll get the gender swap going the other way again, you know? Guys writing about it. But yeah, and uh it is like the realistic, you know, like everyone always thinks that their childhood was, you know, or their teenage hood was American pie and porkies, and it's like it wasn't. It it wasn't that. It like I went to school, I I remember what it was like, and it was a bunch of fucking hopefuls trying to get something. And I think those stories should be told more, they're more relatable.

SPEAKER_07 8:38

Yeah, we're just sick of Porky's reference. Yeah, and we were just like so sick of all these chick movies that are like, I don't know, they just make the chicks look so dumb and like that that they're so petty, their arguments so p I mean our characters are kind of petty, but they're petty, but it's funny.

SPEAKER_08 8:54

Because they're they're petty like you know, when you get pissy at someone and you throw out all the things that you don't like about them in the moment, and then you're like, oh sorry. Yeah, it's funny, but not like not like sleeping with your husband or like keeping a secret from them for and or like that kind of stuff, just like cheating on your the boy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Yeah, like cheating and stuff, that's not like that's not silly hijinks. That's like, oh, that's quite horrible. Don't do that. That's shitty behavior, right? And you're just like, but like silly hijinks is silly hijinks. Yeah. Like I want to.

SPEAKER_07 9:32

I love the British, like, yeah, the the words you can just use. I'm gonna start using silly hijinks on the right.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

You're silly hijinks. Silly hijinks is a great way, you know.

SPEAKER_11 9:42

That is the genre of location, just silly hijinks.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Well, I can't wait. I can't wait for it to get made. Um, do you guys uh like have is there anything of like an option on it yet? Do you have any like shipped out anywhere? Have you finished writing it?

SPEAKER_08 9:54

For location or other stuff?

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Yeah, for location.

SPEAKER_08 9:57

Oh, location, um, we should be sending it out more to try to get some attachments. And um, but right now we're trying to get um this kids' adventure movie that Clarissa um has created with her dad out. And so that's sort of our first feature that we're in the process of doing right now. Yes. So once we do that, maybe some doors will open and location and our horror films that we've written, we can get make some traction on those.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

That's always the way it is. As long as you get that first one out, like then it's I say it's easy, it's easier, like you know, and I think you that there's always that feeling like, oh well, this is my debut, I want this to be and it's like don't force yourself. Like, what's not the easiest barrier of entry because that's not the case, but it's like what's what's gonna get made? Like just get that made. You've got you you're not gonna have two stories in your life, you're gonna have hundreds, thousands.

SPEAKER_07 10:54

So get it made, make the next one.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Like, don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_07 10:58

The path of least resistance.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

Yeah, exactly. I wish someone had told me that early doors. I was, you know, right trying to be like, oh let's I think we all are when we're younger a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 11:07

Yeah, I don't know. This is my very important film. My I'm gonna make it. And instead it's like, oh, go make the silly thing, or go make the thing that like brings you so much joy and that brings other people joy, and like get it, yeah, get it out there.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

I I had that with I noticed there was a lot of like awards fodder, like short films that were going around where you're just like, Oh yeah, I guess if I wanted to make a film uh that tackled a dozen issues and used all of these sort of people, it's just like that doesn't And film during the eclipse. Yeah, yeah, and it's always just like, or I could go make a fun little horror film and have fun. And it was like, well, that's that's better. Like that was a lot better use of my time. So yeah, like I I always I always look at people who make those sort of uh award photo films, and I'm always like Well, did sh did you see very important film that Shana and I made?

SPEAKER_07 11:59

The five-minute mockumentary about very important films.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

I saw the trailer, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:02

Oh, I saw the the thing on the website and I thought like that's because that came out of that because every time Lunch Ladies was in a festival, people would be like, Oh my god, it's amazing. But it could never win, like in a I think in all the festivals we're in, only one and one straight festival, because you know, you can't you can't give an award to a comedy, you can't give an award to a horror. It had to have like you know a child walking across the desert looking for water with like no shoes on, right? You know?

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Every time, like my first film or get into a festival, I'm just like, well, obviously I'm not gonna I'm I'm not gonna win against racism. What why have you put me up in a film about racism?

SPEAKER_08 12:38

You're like, great, endangered animals, awesome.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Yeah, yeah, I love penguins too, but this is about haunted film reel. What are you on about? Why have you put me next?

SPEAKER_08 12:47

It's a film about someone searching through the garbage at a landfill looking for their stuffed animal they lost in a seven. Didn't win.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

It's like sick. Yeah, great. Thanks. Thanks for putting us in the same block. Jesus. You know? So annoying. But uh it got screened. You should be happy about that. That's what they always tell us.

SPEAKER_07 13:07

But we made that little five minute as kind of a a fuck you to people that don't think that that horror and comedies are worthwhile and that everything has to be like this.

SPEAKER_08 13:18

Yeah, someone someone commented to Clarissa once after seeing Lunch Ladies like, that was loud. Loud.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_08 13:26

And they they were like someone I think who made an eclipse film.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

They made the eclipse film.

SPEAKER_07 13:30

They made the eclipse film where people just stand around, it's like the last day of Earth and the eclipse is. And they get that one shot. Yeah. It's like, yeah. And it was like up for like, I think it was even like a like, I don't know, like it went really far. And I was just like, this movie is so like, you know, it was well done, but sure. It's just taking all those boxes of importance. Yeah, right. Nobody's ever gonna fucking remember 50 years from now, and nobody's really entertained by so much shit about my movie.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Like, nobody's entertained. Like whenever anyone sort of goes, like, oh, but look how and I'm like, there, they're there. It's not doing anything. Like, it's saying what we all think. Yeah, there, it's enough of that. Like, we don't need anyone. It's like it I don't need someone to come up to me and go, like, did you know uh the eclipse is pretty powerful? I'm like, yeah, I fucking know. Yeah, yeah, I know an eclipse is powerful. If you just discovered the gold now, what the fuck's wrong with you? Like when people come up to me and like and say, like, oh, this film about it's really good, it's really strong feminist message. I'm like, Well, I'm I know that. Like, right, I know that we should treat people right. It's not a surprise to me. I don't know why you're fucking telling me.

SPEAKER_08 14:37

And I just saw this funny news article that was like this this like cross-reference between the path of the eclipse and people googling my eyes hurt. And it was like the red of like people googling my eyes hurt with the same path as the eclipse.

SPEAKER_10 14:56

I was like, oh, see, there you go. That would be a great important film. We should make that.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

We should totally.

SPEAKER_10 15:03

My eyes hurt. It's just called My Eyes Hurt. My eyes hurt.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

That's oh yeah, that would be so good. And just it ends with like that overly loud out breath of air. Just I looked at it! Relief. The relief. I I have said to a couple of like my writer buddies, I was like, we should write the most like awards foddery film out there.

SPEAKER_10 15:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

And just like fucking like make fun of them when it wins. He's just like, I don't he's like, I don't want to, and I was like, nor do I. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 15:35

But it could be so fun though.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

I would love it if the only BAFTA or Oscar I had. Yeah. Was just for like, what's that for? I don't like that. I don't want to talk about that BAFTA. That Oscar's rubbish. Yeah. This one's great.

SPEAKER_08 15:46

What role does Brad Pitt want to play next?

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:49

The the priest who like, you know, it's like put all the characters in there that are very specifically, you know, prestige, Oscar fodder, and just put them all in a room together.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

And how can we get Tom Holland, Timothy Chalamet, Zendaya, you know, Robert Paperson, Florence Pugh? How can we get all of those guys into one film? That's all we need.

SPEAKER_07 16:11

And Amy Adams. Amy Adams has to be in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

Looking just concerned.

SPEAKER_08 16:17

Oh, and that other and the and um and the other winner who wins everything, Jessica Chastain. I was gonna say her too! Jessica Chastain has to be in it too.

SPEAKER_07 16:26

Like, if they're in anything, it doesn't matter how bad the movie is, they will get nominated. And Meryl Streep comes in to be the savior in the end.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

Can I say, like, for years, I like because I only got introduced to like Meryl Streep from Stuck On You as her cameo and stuck on you, like onwards. So I would say she's always been a parody of herself. That's fair. Like when I've been aware of her. And every time she win awards, I was like, Well, this fucking stuck on you, gal. Like, what's going on with that? Like, come on. Really?

SPEAKER_07 16:55

Oh my god, I think Meryl Streep is possibly the best actress of our generation. And then I went back and coming from an acting background, I watch her stuff and I'm like, what the fuck is she doing? How is she doing this? Oh my god, she's so good.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Like, I went back and watched like Chrome vs. Kramer, Sophie's choice and all that, and I was like, oh, I'm a fucking idiot. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_07 17:15

Did you ever see her in Woody Allen? Did you ever see her in the Woody Allen movie where she's uh like a mo she looks so gorgeous in it?

SPEAKER_03 17:22

Um yeah, she's so like she just look uh wait, which one was she? Was she in um was it Manhattan?

SPEAKER_07 17:28

Uh like Bruce?

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Yeah, Manhattan.

SPEAKER_07 17:30

Yeah, and she just looks so like she just plays such a different character, yeah. And it's so funny because I read a book about her that she was up for a role in Suspiria and the guy and the guy who was casting it, or the the uh whatever his name is, the big director, he his son brought her in and he said she's she's not good looking enough. And he didn't give her the role. And like it's so funny because I see her in Manhattan. I think she's just first of all, I think she's beautiful, but also like how gorgeous do you have to be? I guess the woman in Suspiria, original Suspiria was gorgeous, but like she was gorgeous.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

But also, I think I don't there's a very specific look in Suspiria which is um a lot younger than you want it to be, let's say. Like it's there's it it's very much like quite young teenage childlike wonder, which I think Merrill might have just just edged her out on that. Like they you know, without saying any horrible words to defame any filmmaker, because you know, there's never been a bad uh filmmaker.

SPEAKER_07 18:34

Well, he was mean about it, I guess, apparently, and she was really like upset about it. But then she just went on to become like as big as you know. I bet he was like, oh shit, I should have cast. Yeah, who's laughing?

SPEAKER_03 18:46

I don't think Argento's doing too bad, but you know.

SPEAKER_07 18:49

No, no, no, he didn't yeah, I mean I just remember like reading her this bio is a bio autobiography about her and about what happened and when she went in for that audition and how she felt bad, like because she's they said she wasn't pretty enough to play the role. Oh, that's so bonkers.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

But did you see that documentary? There was the guy who was meant to be in he was in Banda Brothers and he was gonna be in something else, and then he got told the reason he didn't get anything, any other work was because he looked like a psychopath or something. Like so like the the the producer was really sort of like, oh no no, your face makes you look like a psychopath or something. Oh wow and uh he then completely lost faith in himself because he was like, Whoa, does everyone think I look like a psychopath? Do I look like do I genuine? And like he completely lost it. He couldn't act anymore because he was like, Everyone thinks I look like this. And it's like but you've got to be quite careful. Like, actors are their whole sort of career is based on uh developing a character, like about encap like just taking over this role and just being that person. So if you sort of if you sort of chip away at that bedrock, so terrible. It's like ooh, like you can question a role, you can question a performance choice, that's fine. But the thing that's underneath it all is what's like that steadies the ship. Like that's what they root it in. So if you fuck with that, you're gonna fuck with everything.

SPEAKER_07 20:14

So like you have to be careful because the vulnerability that an actor I mean, I having done both, I think acting is one of the hardest things in the world because you have to want you know, when you write, you bring yourself to it, but then it's someone else doing it. But when you act, you're just there. It's like you have to have like such a strong sense of self because you're being it's you. Like people, even if you're playing a character, they're seeing you, and you you have to have so much vulnerability to do it well that like they chip away. I don't know, like that's why actors have to have some ego because Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

And I think that's the it's the relationship. It's the relationship between the director and the actor, which is that I I've written a character and I'm gonna direct you in a way that makes you not look foolish, and you're gonna perform my dialogue in a way that makes me not look foolish. So it's a mutual, like, we've we're both trying to make each other look good here.

SPEAKER_06 21:10

Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

If anyone like fucks it over, it's been like don't do that. Like, come on.

unknown 21:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

But but yeah. Okay, nice. So you've you've you've both had history in film. You've both, you know, you both loved it from early ages. Did you were your were parents film people?

SPEAKER_08 21:30

My parents were not film people at all. I was sort of the the I I guess I would call it the black sheep of the family. There was there was no like cinema lovers in my in my whole environment. I mean, we had like one movie theater in town, so I didn't really start going to the theater until I was a teenager and I had the ability to go by myself. But you know, Blockbuster was It growing up, that was every single weekend. Like, that's what you did. You went to Blockbuster and you grabbed every movie you could get, and that was that was it. You'd go to friends' houses and they'd have some, and like that was the whole vibe. So I watched movies, I just didn't necessarily see every single, you know, art house film that was ever made. But but I'm very versed in all of the you know, kid adventure, fantasy, big, big movies that came out.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

So can you say that feeling of running into Blockbuster and seeing the wall of all the like the things, and then like you don't know until you get to that wall if there's gonna be the thing behind it that you can take it?

SPEAKER_07 22:44

Like nobody can decide like an hour there looking.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:48

Yeah, you're like, there was fun! So fun.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

So much fun. It's so much.

SPEAKER_07 22:54

And then you went there to get one thing and it was gone. Like, you know, the movie that everybody wanted, and it was gone, and you were just like, ah.

SPEAKER_08 23:01

And you stock the like return thing, and you're like, has anyone returned this?

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Is there any in the is there any in the bin? Has anyone checked the back? They're like, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_08 23:07

And they're like, calm down, calm down.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Is anyone returning it today? It's like that was so fun. I miss it so much. It's kind of why I still collect and like buy films physically, is because it's that thing of Me too. I want to be able to look through it and be like, oh, I really want to see this, but I haven't watched this yet, so I gotta I gotta wait, I gotta do that. And then like I'm looking and I'm like, Do they got any special features there and making of afterwards that I can watch? And I love a lot of.

SPEAKER_07 23:33

Oh yeah, those are fun. I love it. I mean, I'm big on like now going to the thrift stores and picking up the DVDs because everybody's gotten rid of them. That's right. I'm getting the most amazing, and then I also see, you know, a lot of stuff doesn't even stream, like you can't even find it. So I wanna have the DVDs. I don't care how old-fashioned it is, I want them.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

We're gonna come back in fashion.

SPEAKER_07 23:52

It's coming back. It is coming back.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

The kids, the kids are gonna want our collections, and I'm gonna be like, no chance. It's all mine.

SPEAKER_07 23:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

I've even got like old VHS that I'm not gonna get rid of. Like I love it. Oh, see, that's good, yeah. It's an it's an addiction.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Love it.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

But yeah. So um, what about you, Clarissa? You you from a film family or not film family?

SPEAKER_07 24:15

Um yeah, like I mean, that's funny, I didn't realize my dad was really into film until my sister, when Netflix reverse first first came out, she got him a subscription, and my dad loves it. Um but when I was growing up, yeah, my my mom was really into watching films with us. And it was like always musicals. Like one time she caught me like in my bedroom, like on my bed, like singing like I was in a in a musical, you know. And she's like, oh, that's cute, you know. Um, you know, but she would she would watch all kinds of weird things too. Like the one that like I mean if first of all, she gave me like uh such a good comedy background because it was like always Carol Burnett. Carol Burnett, Carol Burnett, Carol Burnett, you know, and Saturday Live. And then and then she also had like a real like she'd watch all she loved musicals, but she she also had a twisted kind of because the one we would watch like all the Vincent Price, like The Wax Museum, and then the one that I remember so hardcore that I actually tracked down because I was like, I gotta see this as an adult was the brain that wouldn't die. Oh, did you ever see the brain that wouldn't die? Did you ever see that, Shayda? No, it's oh my god, she gets in a car accident, and the guy, the guy puts like her head is all that's left, and and he puts it in a box and she has to like talk. And I remember as a kid just being like, oh my god, like her head, you know, is talking. It's just like you gotta see it. It's like so weird and so bizarre. But she would watch like these movies like that, and I was like, Where I I thought that I was for a long time, I thought I was an actress and a theater person, but you know, like it went all came back around and became a screenwriter. I'm like, I am a movie person, and I started like going back to thinking about all those times. What what what why where was and then I was like, oh yeah, that was in my my childhood, sitting there with my mom, you know, going to the drive-in, you know, like even though as a kid you don't really watch the movies at the drive-in. I don't know if you guys had you you you know, you play on the monkey bars until the until the lights go down, and then you try to watch something and then you fall asleep in the back. But like these memories of it just was a memory of like great things, and then my dad would also, like, if we went to a movie, my dad makes the most amazing popcorn. He would he would bring a grocery bag of popcorn and he'd hide it so that we could have my dad's popcorn.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_07 26:39

So yeah, like it's funny, like going back thinking, where did that originate from? And uh yeah, I think I always had like these parents that I mean they they they didn't talk about it, but they exposed me to it.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

So I think that's nice though, because then you don't feel like you're being and I'm not saying you would have been, but like that feeling of being lectured to, like, oh this is good, you should watch this, instantly sometimes can make me be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's good. And then I won't want to watch it. Whereas if like dad would just have like his videotapes and they'd be on the side, I'd be like, What is Leon, the professional? Like, I'll give that a go.

SPEAKER_07 27:16

Discovering it yourself, yeah. And it's just like all the Mel Brooks films, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:20

Like my dad was really into both my parents were really into like French cinema.

SPEAKER_07 27:24

So Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

There was like a lot of like French comedies were just like knocking around our house. So you just watch like Jacques Tatty films all the time, and it's like, oh my god, this is great. This is just a comedy film. It's not that I'm watching French comedy, it I'm just watching a comedy film. And it was like that's a much nicer way to be introduced to it, I think, just having people just sort of be like, here's something, watch that if you want it, you know?

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Mm-hmm. Nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

So, with all that being said, what was the first film you guys saw at the theater?

SPEAKER_08 27:55

You go shit because I my story's funny because it says so much about me and and my taste and also personality. I didn't remember this, so I had to ask my parents what was the first movie I saw in the theater. So my mom told me that um I was four and my brother was eight. Okay. And my dad was on a business trip, and my brother really wanted to go see Raiders of the Lost Ark. So I went as a four-year-old to see Raiders of the Lost Ark. And I apparently the whole time I had, you know, my my face covered in my mom's, you know, shirt or whatever. But I would pop up at certain times and I said to my mom, I said, Don't worry, mom, this sucker doesn't scare me. And then I'd watch it and then I would go back. And I can only imagine the face melting scene. I am that says so much aesthetically about like my taste in movies and horror. That was so traumatic. What a gross, absolutely disgusting scene that will never leave your brain. And I'm four. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Like that, like even like the bit where the guy gets his hand burnt and he screams, that alone is like, oh, as a kid, that's quite a lot. And then at the end, when you see him just melt, you're like, can't handle it.

SPEAKER_09 29:21

Right. Like forever in your brain. That would be rent-free forever.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Forever. That still is there, ready to go, you know.

SPEAKER_09 29:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 29:30

Wow. Wow. I wish I knew. You don't know. I wish I knew I might. No, no. I just remember like when we went to the movies, it was the drive-in, which I wish they still had drive-ins. And I remember you have the kids-friendly movie, and then you have, and also that the sound was really bad. You had those weird things you put over. Did you guys have have they weren't usually more of a US thing?

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Yeah, we didn't get many. Like you they kind of make them now they're popping up every now and then, and they're meant to be sort of like event things. Like we didn't have them as a normal thing. Like we just had a theater in every town and every corner of everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 30:07

They're like the best experience. I wish that they could bring them back. I mean, I do remember like invasion of the body snatchers, and I didn't understand what was going on, and then I just fell asleep. I thought it was boring, you know. But like, yeah, it was always the kid thing, and then there'd be a long line, and it was just really fun, those summer nights watching them.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

I I just wish they would bring them back, but where where like I don't I'm not I'm not gonna be weird about this. Where do teens make out now if the cinemas aren't and there's no like like drive-in? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 30:35

They don't. They don't make out they don't, they text, they text, they text and send pictures.

SPEAKER_08 30:42

Yeah, they snapchat each other instead of making out.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

I don't like that.

SPEAKER_07 30:48

It's it's weird. It's weird. Like, I don't know. Like I've talked to like I have a 16-year-old nephew and I have a lot of friends, a couple friends who have six, and they're like, yeah, they don't they're not dating like how we did when we were younger.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

That's weird. Like, I I I I remember going to see Hitch when I was like 15 or something, because it it meant I could like make out with my girlfriend. It was the only place where it was like, oh, we could totally go do it there, because we can't do it at the parents' house because her family are quite religious, and we can't really do it in my house because you know we're fucking nowhere. Let's go to the cinema. I don't I don't remember a fucking scene of that film, but I remember making out the city.

SPEAKER_06 31:25

I wish I had made out in the cinema. Jeez. Yeah, I don't think I ever made out the city. I was too shy.

SPEAKER_08 31:32

Yeah, I was too worried about people like being yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 31:36

Also, no one would have wanted to make out with me in the movie theater like when I was a teenager. I mean, that's the truth.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

I mean, that's fair enough. I think I've painted myself as quite the playboy. I was not. Like, I was an overweight kid who had done well for himself.

SPEAKER_07 31:54

I will say that my um oldest friend Melissa and I went to the movie theater one time and we were sitting there and I felt we were watching a movie, and I felt like there was rain coming down on my feet. Like it was like, it was just, it wasn't wet. It was just like drop, like it felt like something was tickling my feet. And all of a sudden Melissa goes, we gotta move, we gotta move, we gotta move. And I'm like, what? Like right in the middle of the theater. And then we move, and then we get up, and she goes, and there's a guy, a guy in the front thing before like the thing before us, and his hands are like way down like this, and he had been uh tickling your feet, and then we talk about the foot the foot petter.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

The foot of the foot pet.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

It's grim as shit. That's fucking horrible.

SPEAKER_07 32:42

I was like, Melissa was like, come on, and I'm like, why? You can imagine me. I'm like, I don't know, I'm like, why? How come? I'm enjoying the movie, and she's like, Clarissa.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

I'm getting a lovely foot massage over here. I didn't realise the movies were this good.

SPEAKER_10 32:56

Oh my god, that's disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

That is miserable. Like, I worked in the theatre for a while and I've seen some things, but that is like the worst thing I've heard.

SPEAKER_06 33:05

Like we were like 16 years old. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

That's horrible. That is grim.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Grim.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Bloody hell. Oh, that's it's a shame that you don't remember like I have a specific first film because I think sort of like Shana was saying, like, I think I I think having that little formative memory of like because mine was Hook and it was like I just such a lovely film, Hook. And I've always thought my dad is a mix between Robin Williams and Bob Hoskins. So to have them both on screen, it was like, hey, it's dad. And like all of that culminates into me, I love Spielberg films, like JV Hart's writing, like there's loads of bits that just add up to it where I'm just like, oh, this talk's a lot.

SPEAKER_08 33:53

Have you ever talked to Jim Hart?

SPEAKER_03 33:55

I have. Weirdly, um, like he started following me. He followed me on Instagram out of nowhere, and I actually had to be like, uh big fan. Why the fuck do you follow me, mate? Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_08 34:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

He is a lovely human. He is.

SPEAKER_08 34:12

You should have him on. Let's let's hook this up.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Oh, if we can get that, I totally would. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_08 34:16

Oh, we can. Me and Felicity know him very well. Well, not very well, but we know him enough to like say, hey.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Well then yeah, let's do that for sure. I have something of his around here. I'll have to move some things because I don't want him to know that I'm a weird super fan.

SPEAKER_08 34:30

No, do it. I do that with Penn Denchum, who wrote um Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Oh no. Because I love that movie so much. And every time I see him, or I'm like, oh my god! I love it! I love it so much.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

I had um we had Graham Humphreys on the pod like a while back, and he did the posters for Return of the Living Dead and like the Evil Dead VHS box and all that kind of stuff. And before like before he got on, I was like, I'm gonna have to move a load of things because I don't want him to be like, that's my film, that's my film, that's my film.

SPEAKER_08 35:03

And I'll be like, No, he was honestly, they love it.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

There's there's sick of fan. They love it, they love the attention. But um so you Chaney, you mentioned about uh going to Blockbuster and all that kind of stuff. I I what films did you watch over and over again as a kid?

SPEAKER_08 35:25

So there's three films that I watch that I call the Trifecta. That was my child. One of them that were the three that were like on repeat all the time that I still watch to this day. Uh Neverending Story, Labyrinth, and The Dark Crystal. I knew it! Yep, those were that I love undying love for those mov for those movies.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Madness. We we we recently got it-bully like puppets. Yeah, like big fan of Jim Henson. We got um a main coon cat recently, and she's got like little ear tufts. And I was saying to Kirsty, my partner, that like I think it was today, I was like, God, she just looks like a Jim Henson like puppet. Just like little angry face with these ear tufts. So yeah. So what was it about sort of that dark fantasy, I guess?

SPEAKER_08 36:21

Like what is what was it about that sort of um genre that really so I fit I think that like when I really like therapy myself and think about, you know, like why those films resonated with me, it's because I grew up on a farm in Oregon and there was not a lot of you know, like thinking beyond this town or this place. And I think what those movies did for me is it just opened it up to a world beyond like what I was allowed. And so my it just made my brain go wherever it wanted to go. It was just that permission to be as wild and adventurous as I possibly could before I had to go back and like clean out a pig pen or pick up rocks or whatever chore I was doing. It was an escape, it was essentially just like a hundred percent escape into something that was completely irrational and freeing. And just the imagination, it was oh my gosh, they're just so rich with imagination and and the bravery and the like and the willing to step out of your comfort zone and go do something. It was just all the things that I wished for as a young person that I could do in my life.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

I think as well that they're they're real as well, they're there. Yeah, like I'm looking at puppets, I'm looking at people in suits, I'm looking at things, and that that also makes it make it so much more real. You're like, well, people are there, they're doing all of that. That in somewhere that is actually existing, it's not just in a computer somewhere, and I think that is like that's gotta have something to do with it as well, you know.

SPEAKER_08 38:08

Yeah, and we always dream of like, you know, you're reading a book and like a never-ending story, like you find a magical book and you read it, and then you're transported to this other place. Yeah you know, same with Labyrinth. It's like, you know, she gets transported to this other world, and and the dark crystal kind of just landed in there. Yeah. Um, and it was it was something that my dad actually watched with us because he really liked the character of Chamberlain, who was one of the um uh the creepy, uh I forget what they're called. Um, I forget what they're called. But he and he did this like voice, and my dad did it really well. And so it was always something that my dad would imitate and watch with us. So I think that one lands in there just because it became that family thing experience, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

That's lovely. I I I I love that there was that that your dad clearly wasn't afraid to be silly in front of his kids, which is always lovely.

SPEAKER_08 39:03

Like and that was rare, like he didn't do a lot of that, but there were moments that he was he allowed himself to be free and do something silly like that, and so we just ate it up. We're like, ah, do Chamberlain, do Chamberlain. It was so fun.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Nice, nice. Um they those like it's sort of type of films, they completely missed me when I was a kid. They're they're films that I like I saw Labyrinth, um, and I think I saw Labyrinth because Dad's a Bowie fan, so dad was like, oh, Bowie's in that, and I was like, Oh, well, I'll I'll watch it for that reason. And then my partner Kirsty, like, she was a big dark crystal labyrinth, that kind of stuff. And it's only since sort of in the last 10 years that I've sort of been like, oh I'll I'll give this never-ending story a go. And it's like, oh, these are interesting. Like they're not, yeah, they're not something that I would have ever found on my own, but I'm pleased that I have watched them now. So yeah. They're interesting for me.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

They missed me too. I don't even know if I've seen the Dark Crystal, to be honest. They were, yeah. I didn't get it. I remember when it came out, I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_03 40:13

I think as a kid, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_07 40:15

I'm not even sure I still get it. I mean, I probably should re-revisit. Because sometimes you see films like and you're like, oh yeah, now I yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

Oh yeah, but it can also go the other way. Like, as a kid I loved Flight of the Navigator. And then I rewatched Flight of the Navigator as an adult, and I was like, fucking hell, this is.

SPEAKER_08 40:35

Oh, same. I loved Xana do when I was little. I watched it again. I was like, what is this?

SPEAKER_02 40:40

It's up there, ready to go. I haven't watched it.

SPEAKER_11 40:42

I kind of want to see Xana do again. I remember liking that show. Weird.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_11 40:47

And I don't know that it's a good weird, but I loved it when I was little.

SPEAKER_08 40:51

Doesn't Olivia Newton John sing the song? Yeah, and it's roller skating muses. It's weird.

SPEAKER_07 40:56

Wild. I know. I have to see that again.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

But there were so many like slightly odd like musicals and just I I guess cocaine's a hell of a drug because they really let people do whatever they wanted in cinema in the 80s.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

It was great. It was great, right?

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Like they went bonkers with it, and you're like, yeah, go on then. Go full crazy, let me see what you got. Like, we'll dial it back if it's a bit too much, or we'll keep going.

SPEAKER_08 41:23

And it was so freeing. Yeah, you're like, okay, your imagination can do anything.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

Also, that like as an audience, it's like it's so freeing because it's like, ooh, there is such uh a diverse like spectrum of things that I could be watching. Whereas now cinema is very much like, do you want um this version of a dramedy, or do you want this version of an MCU dramedy? And it's like, um I'm alright. Yeah. Like I'll figure something else out.

SPEAKER_08 41:52

I'll watch some old movies on my DVDs. Right?

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Like exactly, or I'll go back and re-watch all of the jackasses and then realize not as good.

SPEAKER_05 42:01

So another movie I never could bring myself to see.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

Oh, I was the perfect age for it when it came out, you know.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

Like I was a It's a boy movie, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:14

It really is. Like, I I think it is, like, and that's not to say, you know, there are girls out there who loved it. Johnny Knoxville's a handsome cat. But like there was like as a 14-year-old, I I guess I would have been about like that age when it came out.

SPEAKER_07 42:29

Maybe that perfect.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

It's the same kind of music I liked. You know, I kind of was into skateboarding. I like the idea of pranks, I like the idea of hijinks.

SPEAKER_08 42:40

Yeah, you know pranks. It fulfills all your deepest desires for hijinks.

SPEAKER_11 42:45

Deepest 14-year-old boy desires, you know.

SPEAKER_03 42:49

And then I watched the first one.

SPEAKER_11 42:50

What would happen if I attached this to my balls? Well, he's gonna do it and you're gonna find out.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Balls aren't getting used anyway. I might as well use them for a prank. What are they?

SPEAKER_11 42:59

How many rubber bands can I fit around my balls?

SPEAKER_03 43:02

Perfect.

SPEAKER_11 43:03

They did it.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

I watched the first.

SPEAKER_11 43:04

How many things can we blow up? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

I mean, blowing stuff up. I love it. But I was watching the first one last night and I was just like, these guys are a bit mean. I don't know if I like this. And it was like, this isn't as fun as I remember, and I got really like a bit bummed out. I was like, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_11 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

I'll probably watch the new one though. I'll probably watch the new one.

SPEAKER_11 43:26

You will.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Because I'm a teenage boy at heart. Uh what about you, Clarissa? What was the what films did you watch over again as a kid?

SPEAKER_07 43:34

Uh my number one go-to was Wizard of Oz. I literally couldn't get enough Wizard of Oz. I was like, you know, because back then you had to wait till it actually came on. And it was like a huge event. And I remember even like I was invited to a birthday party and you know, it was it was an overnight, a sleep overnight, and my friend had just gotten the new AC. DC Hell's Bells album, and everybody was like singing Hell's Bells, and Wizard of Oz was gonna be on in like 20 minutes, and I'm like, I gotta go.

unknown 44:10

I gotta go.

SPEAKER_07 44:10

Because they didn't want to turn Wizard of Oz on, so I went home. I was probably the one everybody talked about, like, oh my god, you know, and I think I was like, I mean, I was even like probably 13 at that time. So I was still watching Wizard of Oz. Like, I just fucking loved Wizard of Oz. I loved all the books. I wanted to be Dorothy. I was like, that is my thing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Jeez. That is dedication to the court. But like, did you what like I can see it like if you saw it as a kid, or even like within like growing up on a farm and well not a farm, but you know, that sort of uh rural thing of being like, oh, I can see that. But Chris, we are you uh a city gal?

SPEAKER_07 44:51

Like what was the I um I just think I no, I mean I lived in a small town in Minnesota. Uh that was but I think it was just my my mom had turned me on to it, and I was just so fascinated with this young girl going somewhere. Like I loved kind of the ideal, like I was really into also like the Lion, the Witch in the Wardrobe. Right books, like the whole idea of like you can just go somewhere with and the you know, like I remember so many times going into my closet, going hoping, just hoping that I could get through the Narnia.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Is there anything on that bag?

SPEAKER_07 45:30

You know, and it's like yeah, and it's like this normal girl that lives in this, you know, on a farm, and she gets to go somewhere like insanely incredible. And also, I it was also interesting too, because if you think about it, Wizard of Oz is all about her, and she's you know, she's this brave role model, young woman that does all these cool things. Like the even the lion, the tin man, the scarecrow, they're all men. They gotta rely on her because she's like, I'm gonna get this done, I'm gonna do this. And like you just maybe there's a little feminist feminism in the Wizard of Oz, like that I'm just like thinking about now that maybe that's why I appear I could just c relate to this, like I just could relate to Dorothy. I mean, I remember like even like when I wanted to be an actress, you know, my the first play when Wizard of Oz, you know, when they're doing Wizard of Oz, I thought it would die if I didn't get to play Dorothy, you know. But I didn't get to. I had to play a fucking munchkin m munchkin because I was short, so that was very disappointing.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

I too have played a munchkin. It's okay, you know. Munchkin's anonymous over here, we're fine.

SPEAKER_08 46:38

Yeah, I think there was a lack of those strong female girl characters that we could look up to. It's the same with Labyrinth, like it was a girl who was like running the st the show, and it was like, wow, you know, we're we're not watching a boy do adventure things, we're watching a girl, which was yeah, and she saves the day.

SPEAKER_07 46:59

Like, yeah, Dorothy saves the day, like you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

And not through, as we were saying earlier, not through that sort of like normal like girl, she stumbled into it, she kind of figured it out, she used her why like it's just like no no no, this is just a girl who's taking care of business, you know. She's like she's going in there and be like, Oh, I've got to fix this problem, I'll go fix it then. And it's like, oh, well done. You like you've done that right. That's how it should be written, just a solid character.

SPEAKER_07 47:28

Um I mean Yeah, and even the witches are both strong women. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Like even the witches, you see a spectrum of just like well-written female characters where it's like, I can kind of see the perspectives of every person here. It's like I kinda get it. Like, and I don't feel like you've played on any trope for any of these female characters, you've just written good characters. So I can yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:54

It's also good for screenwriting because it's like sometimes you're trying to like figure out something and you're like, oh yeah, it's a wizard of oz kind of thing. Like, this is like I've used that. So I mean, I've heard so many people use that format for you know for whatever. Like, oh, just give it a Wizard of Oz thing, you know, like she I mean this person and then you made that person and then made the other person and then the thing and like Yeah, and then yeah, like structurally, you know, like I've heard that before and it does work. It does work for what you know, not every thing you're writing, but like obviously like some stuff, you know, if you're struggling, you can always go, Oh, Wizard of Oz did this, maybe I can do that, you know?

SPEAKER_03 48:33

I I the fact that the film's been loved for what, like 80 years now? Like it it's clearly a well-known.

SPEAKER_07 48:40

I think they said it's the number one most um liked movie ever. Which usually which is strange, because usually I'm like a little diversive, like I divisive, I mean, where I like I like stuff that people don't like and I like really edgy stuff. But I don't know, that was the first movie that just really so I fight up there with all the people that love that movie, you know?

SPEAKER_03 49:01

It has a weird edge to it though. You know what I mean? Like The monkeys. The monkeys are weird, but then like even just all of the on-set kind of things you hear about how the snow is actually asbestos and like all the- Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_07 49:13

I didn't even know that.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Yeah, there's some really weird dark stuff about like obviously Judy getting pumped full of pills to keep her going all the time.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

Yeah, that's weird.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

But like you do get, I think, I think you still get a little bit of weird edge to it. Almost like not an uncanny valley, but everything is so colourful and so bright and so wonderful, but there's still a dirt to it. Yeah, it's off. So I I think it still has that element of like, oh yeah, this is lovely, but what's going on?

SPEAKER_07 49:44

Like, what's happening here? That's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Did you ever watch the is it the return to Oz with um Cruise of Bulk? That is all weird.

SPEAKER_08 49:52

With yes, with the wheelers, yeah. The weird rabbit things and then the heads and the jars, the whole room of the heads. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

It's so weird. It's such a weird.

SPEAKER_07 50:02

Well, the book is a weird. I mean, the uh the the all the books after The Wizard of Oz are like incredible. Like they get even more insane. I and I remember reading about the heads in the closet, and I don't know why. I should see Return to Oz, because I remember that was one of my favorites that I like. But it's good, right? I mean, people say it's good, right? I like it.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Yeah, like I like it, yeah. It's when I was first told about it, I assumed it was a gritty horror remake, like further down the line, and I didn't realize it was a Disney film made in the like was it late 80s, early 90s or something?

SPEAKER_06 50:36

Right.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

And it was just like, oh, this isn't this isn't being played for horror. This is them playing it like straight. And it was like, oh, this is interesting. Like this is this is a weird film, but it's interesting.

SPEAKER_08 50:47

It's like twisted and yeah, it it's twisted and you you're like, all right, I'm going along with this, and then you're like like there's moments where you're like, oh my god, oh my okay. I'm kind of creeped, it's like there's creepy, it's great though. Like it's creepy. It's a little slow, it's a little slow to get to it, but there, yeah, when you get to those set pieces that are like those big things, you're like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 51:12

Like I gotta put that on my list. I don't even know why, being a Wizard of Oz fan that I never probably because I didn't want it to ruin my Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

In the same way that like I'm a huge Jaws fan. I've never seen two, three, or four. Like, I just don't need to.

SPEAKER_07 51:24

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 51:25

I don't need to. Oh wow, yeah. Jaws one's perfect. That I don't need to see anymore.

SPEAKER_05 51:28

Yeah, Jaws is perfect. It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Um, so Christy, you're saying that you uh you like more edgy stuff. What was the first R-rated film you saw, and how old were you?

SPEAKER_07 51:41

You know, I I was thinking about this, and I'm sure that there was a lot, I I'm sure that my parents I don't remember my parents ever being like, oh, you can't watch this for a while. Like, I'm sure it was probably like something like Godfather, you know. I'm sure that was probably the first rated R. And I I remember being like, you know, everybody wanting to see Chex's Chainsaw, and I was too afraid to see Texas Chainsaw. But the one that really like, I think where I'm like, oh, that's a very naughty movie was nine and a half weeks.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Oh dang.

SPEAKER_07 52:12

And I remember I had to see it because, you know, John Taylor from Duran Duran, and I was a huge Durani, did the song for it. And I remember watching it and being totally disappointed, but also freaked out a little because I didn't know what was going on or what they were doing. I saw it later as an adult and I'm like, this is this is good, this is steamy, but like I got it as an adult, but when you're like, when you're like 16 and you're and they're, you know, like you're you're barely like thinking, you know, you're I don't know about guys, but like I was a virgin and I wasn't having sex and like it's this like crazy thing. And then you're seeing uh rated R movie about uh it was like masters, you know, like it's it's like all the like really raunchy stuff. You don't that's not even in your brain. So you're going, what are they doing? Like what are they doing? That seems really naughty.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

Like, I haven't even figured out easy mode yet. Why are you guys working on insane mode? What's going on here?

SPEAKER_07 53:08

I'm like, why is that? That I don't get it. She likes that.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Like eat first, then have sex. Like, why are you combining the two?

SPEAKER_07 53:19

I didn't get it. I didn't get it. Yeah, so nine and a half weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

I mean, that's a that's uh that that's uh that's a lot. Like, and how how old do you say you were for that one?

SPEAKER_07 53:31

Probably 15 or 16. I mean I had to, Duran Duran's John Taylor did the song.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

She had to. Duran Duran.

SPEAKER_07 53:39

I was such a Durany. Every bit of my wall was filled with a Duran Duran poster. That this I were twisted too, Duran Duran.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

Well, they twisted. I had a weird uh similar-ish sort of like I looked at something purely for something else. I was caught looking at the uh tape of Pamaranderson and Tommy Lee's sex tape in like a DVD store once. And like a really attractive like uh assistant was like, hey, can I help? And I was just holding it and I went, ah, I'm a big Motley Crue fan. And they were like, What? And I was like, doesn't matter. Just put it back and I was like, never go in this shop again. That's redone.

SPEAKER_07 54:21

Yeah, that was the other thing. You had to actually rent it. And like people had to so like you're going into rent nine and a half weeks with your friend, and you're just kind of like you don't want to, you know, it's it's a little buy condoms for the first time or something.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

Yeah. And and and and however that like assistant, that clerk, like deals with it is how you're gonna feel forever whenever you buy the exact same thing. If like the first time you buy condoms and the guy's like, ho-ho! You're like, well, I'll never use these. I'm sorry. I have to leave.

SPEAKER_11 54:56

Not for me, just yeah. You know what?

SPEAKER_03 54:59

I'll just aim it at the curtains, we're good to go. I'm off.

SPEAKER_07 55:03

Yeah, now you just have to stream it. What's the fun of that? I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Come on. There's no excitement.

SPEAKER_07 55:08

Like, we're raising a generation of kids who have who like are just they don't they don't have the same skills we do. They don't have to face these like terrifying things.

unknown 55:17

God.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 55:18

What about you, Shayna? I want to know what rated R movie you was your first rated R movie.

SPEAKER_08 55:23

Well, I preface this with like, I'm Gen X, and so basically I feel like I was looking through like lists of like what we were raised on R-rated movies. Like, there was no gatekeepers to R world. So I was thinking about it. I'm like, okay, the first one I really remember is Nightmare on Elm Street at a slumber party. There was no slumbering at the slumber party after watching Nightmare on Elm Street for.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Fuck no.

SPEAKER_08 55:49

That's the first one I remember. But there was there were no gatekeepers out there for us to like you know, they were more concerned about I mean, was there concerns? There was no concerns. It was just like, yeah, whatever movie you want to get, watch it. And we were all on our own to like work it out.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

I I I I've I've said it before, like, I feel my parents wouldn't, they weren't horror people, so they would always say, like, oh, don't watch that, it's horrible. But that's it. Don't watch that, that's horrible.

SPEAKER_08 56:20

See, I didn't even have that. I had like, oh, no one asked me what I was watching, no one asked us because it's just movies if we if we might not want to watch Nightmare on Elm Street when you're nine at a summer party. Like, that was never a question. It was just, oh, this is a fun movie. Put it in, and we're all like, oh my god, I'm never sleeping again. And like, you know, the the the trauma of that, you know. It it was wild. Like, I was looking at the list and I'm like, I saw Pet Cemetery, I saw Reanimator, I saw Um The Lost Voice is even rated R.

unknown 56:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 56:56

You know, Hellraiser, Child's Play. Like those ones are all R-rated movies that we were watching as like under 10, 11-year-olds. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:07

And just like, whatever. I wouldn't, I was too afraid to watch any horror movies, which I love horror movies now, but yeah, same.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

I was scared of it.

SPEAKER_07 57:14

But I do remember, you're right. Like they all the kids were watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre, all you know, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

But like I I was an absolute scary cat when I was a kid. I couldn't watch horror films at all. Now you know, I'll watch them before bed without even batting an eye. But I do like I do think that that excitement of seeing a horror film and being a bit like, oh god, should we watch this? Like, I loved that. I loved it. As a kid being really scared, genuinely like, oh my god, that like I can't walk home with this. And it's just like, ah, I miss that. I miss that so much.

SPEAKER_08 57:51

Yeah. Yeah, I will say I wa I watched these in quotes, but I didn't really watch them. They were playing. They were playing, and I saw parts.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

Yeah, but I didn't know. You're sat side on talking to your friend and being like, Yes, trying to play with my Barbie doll instead of like seeing the screen.

SPEAKER_07 58:08

What was the movie you were saying that was so terrifying to you? Something about was it the scarecrow one? No.

SPEAKER_08 58:13

So when I was five, there was this movie at my cousin's house playing on it was like a CBS movie of the week, which is I don't know why they're playing this. It was called Um Night of the Scarecrow, I believe. And it was about a mentally handicapped kid, teenager, who is bullied in school, and so he hides in a scarecrow, and the bullies kill him. He dies. I don't know if they kill him or he dies. Night of the scarecrow, something like that. And then 20 years later or whatever, he comes back to seek revenge on every one of them who's now adults in this like farm town. And the scene that is like part of, you know, in in horror writing and stuff that that I feel like has been ingrained in me forever is he pushes a guy into like a grain chopper or hay chopper or something. And then the next scene, and then the next scene is jelly plopping on toast in a diner. And it was like just how you edit it. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 59:19

That's how you edit it.

SPEAKER_08 59:20

Like, yes, that is exactly right. But that that I was five and I was like peeking around the corner, like watching it, because all my older cousins, all my cousins were playing, or they were watching it, and I'm just like horrified watching this movie of just this poor kid scarecrow killing people. My god.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

Love it.

SPEAKER_08 59:41

I feel like I did see that.

unknown 59:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 59:43

But it really scared you. It was a CBS movie of the week. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:48

Well, that would never be a movie of the week. That's amazing that ever made it to a movie of the week.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

This would be on like Shudder. And it'd be gone. Yeah. Gone within a minute.

SPEAKER_07 59:57

Yeah. Things were way funner back then, man. They got away with way. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:02

There was no gatekeepers. It was just like, well.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:04

They said the Exorcist could never have been made today. Never would have been made today, The Exorcist. They could have never made that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

I wonder that. Like I you I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

To get the money for it for a money for it, yeah, yeah, yeah. The cross and all that with the current climate and people would be too scared.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:30

I mean, it's just amazing to me that it got made. I just I mean back then, like you said, there was less, it was just yeah, I don't know. In some ways it was just weird. It's like less things were less liberal, but like with movies that was more liberal.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Yeah, like they really let Hollywood sort of like go wild. It was almost like they assumed, well, no one's watching this. No one cares.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

I just go mad. And then it was like, alright, we will go mad. And it was all your Billy Friedkins, your Scossazis, your sort of beaties, your Hoffman's, like, where they were just like, let's do some stuff. Let's do some stuff. Let's see how.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:03

Did you ever see like the movies before like the really old, old, old movies before the the the motion picture thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Oh, pre-censorship stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:12

Yeah. Like set some of that is like so unbelievably twisted. I like and I go, oh my god, like they you have this like version of people back then that they do certain things. Like they wouldn't have done some. So like, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, those are super interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:27

And they're like weirdly, like gothically dark, and you're like, oh, that's that's a lot. That's a lot. Like, I don't know if I want to deal with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

But they're good.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:36

They are good. Um I feel like nine and a half weeks would have made you feel felt grown up. But like, what was the first film that made you feel grown up? Well, yeah, I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:52

I think I you know it's funny, I I I I feel like the first films that made me feel grown up was pretty recent.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Oh, okay. Like, I just watched That Obsessions movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:07

Yeah. I mean, probably because like I I started, I thought I was a theater person and I read all these plays, and so then when I got in my writing class, I said to my mentor, you know, I I need a education in film. Like, I want an education. And he gave me this watershed list of like a thousand movies, it took me like ten years to get through. And it'd be like, um, all these really interesting movies, but then it'd also say, you have to see all the Fellini movies, you have to see all the blah blah blah, right? So I'm like working through these things, right? And so I think maybe it was like when I started watching all these Fellini movies because I freaking hated them. I hated them, hated them, hated them. And then all of a sudden, because I had to watch so many, I was like maybe whatever, cup five in, four in, or whatever. All of a sudden I got it. I was like, right, oh, this is why people like Fellini. And then I felt very grown up because now I could say, hey, he's not my favorite, but I can subjectively say like why people watch him for the, you know, how the crazy and incredible like imagery and crazy characters, you know, and like and I all of a sudden I got it. So then I think I felt intellectually, intellectually grown up. So it's probably then.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

Damn. I I know what you mean. Like I'm I'm still waiting for that moment to feel grown up watching a Fellini film and not just like I didn't get it, and I don't like it. Yeah, exactly. I need to go back and do some like I was I was gonna watch Amicord recently, but I was like, I don't know if I like like it. I don't know, but I'll do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:35

I like Amicord, but it took me a while because I like movies that are very like character-oriented, story-oriented, and I don't feel like Fellini is. He's a spectacle. And like if you like once I started getting the oh, he's a spectacle, and push that out of my head that it has to be the story that I like really am involved with these characters, then I could then I got why some people it's like it's almost like a modern day um, you know, why people like to go to these big hero movies uh because it's just a spectacle. Yes. That's what I kind of feel like. It's like if you get and I was like, oh, I'm being very intellectual. I'm very grown up now. Now I understand Fellini.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:12

Now you understand Fellini. Well, one day I might join you. Um Shana, what about you? What was the film that made you feel grown up?

SPEAKER_08 1:04:20

Well, I'm about to take this in a different direction of um maturity-wise. Like, I I wouldn't say that like into this is an intellectually um mature grown-up movie. Uh, I would say when I went to the movie theater by myself for the first time with a friend at 12 and watched Pretty Woman. Oh that's Shay. I love it. I felt pretty grown up. That's in that you know, when you can talk about a hooker with a heart of gold, you know, you got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

Come on.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:55

You're grown up. I I understood it for the most part.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:59

And I think as well, deciding like you you went with a friend. It was very purposeful. I'm gonna go watch this film, and we're dealing with a hooker with a heart of gold and Richard Gere and Jason Alexander, and it's gonna be lovely.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:12

Like it's a grown-up fairy tale, you know. Right. So we were like, and I think I think I think my older brother brought us and went and saw a different movie, and then we went in, you know, because we couldn't go into the to Pretty Mom unless we were with so we had an adult or my older cousin or something with us, and then we went in there and she they went somewhere else. So we were by ourselves, and I believe we were in the front row, and we felt yes, we felt very grown up, and and we could handle the maturity of this film.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

Oh, yeah, you know we could handle it.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:43

It's a great film. Honestly, I think it's a great film.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:45

I do it is a great film. I just it's one of those films that I think a lot of uh guys like wouldn't want to admit that they like it because it's like, oh no, it's uh A prostitute, and it's just like, shut up, just go watch it. It's a great fun film.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:03

It's so entertaining. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:06

But like I even quite like Runaway Bride. You know what I mean? Like when they get back together years later. Like, I love I love a shitty rom-com like quite a lot. I'm just like, I'll sit there and like kick my feet and be like, oh, this is great. But you know, like I feel like um that would have definitely been like a a pretty woman would have been the start of that for me as well.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:26

Yeah, and I liked that, like, I liked that at the end she didn't stay necessarily stay with him. Like she decided to go off, and I mean she had a bunch of money now, so she could. But she decided to go off and then you know he came back, but but in the end, it's like she saved him right back. And I I don't know why something about that was like a shift and it resonated in a weird way of like, oh yeah, she was the she actually changed him. He changed her life, yes, but she changed his life just as much. And I thought that was like really great in a movie like that, where like he's not the male savior, she's actually the savior in the story. Yeah. And I liked it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

I think a lot of films, um, they obviously a lot of films have tarnished the way uh young men and women perceive relationships because they're always written in a very stereotypical way that the man chases the woman, and the woman can't help but fall in love with his tenacity.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:26

And I think like that is what he wears her down.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:30

He wears her down and eventually she yields to him. And it's like that's so dangerous because it's like there's there's not enough women sort of going like, I had a really good time, goodbye. And it's like, yeah, yeah, blokes need to understand that rejection is good, and women need to understand that they can say no. Yeah, yeah. And if there's so many films that like I mean, it's porkies, it's American Pie, they're obviously not written for certain people, but it is like you're you're you're forming such a formative, like, memory of like a formative like way of thinking how people should be reacting to you know the opposite sex. But that's really dangerous, and I think pretty woman is a good one where it shows that it's like you can you can also you can be a sex worker and you can do it for the money. That's not a problem. Like that's that's a form of income. Like, don't don't begrudge another.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:25

The friend was like, I'm not leaving. Like, she was just like, I'm staying in this job, and you know, fifty bucks grandpa for 75, the wife can watch. Like amazing. Perfect. Just like own it, girl.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

Yeah, and I think if you're a good movie, that's one of those movies that if you were to make it now, it wouldn't be as shocking in any way. You'd just sort of be like, Yeah, that that's just someone who does like OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:47

And it would be a sad story. It would be like a sad story, like like, you know, um anora. You know, it's almost like you're gonna find it. I didn't feel I didn't feel sorry for Julia Roberts and Pretty Woman at all. Like she was still like her own person and did her own thing. She just got herself in a situation where like this is how she had to support herself and didn't really want to do it, but it paid the bills. Where like now it would you'd be this like it would be this sad sob story about this poor woman and her poor the poor prostitute, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yeah, and her poor past, and like, oh no, and you know and the heart of gold guy that gets her out of the troubles, and it's like right, who's just surrounded by bad people, you know? Yeah. I I didn't like a Nora. Didn't like it.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:37

I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I I fast forwarded through that whole middle section where they're like on the search, and I was like, why are you doing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you doing this? Get on with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

It's just turn on the city.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:50

Have you seen Anora? Have you seen Anora? Have you seen Enora? Have you seen it? You should watch it. It's really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:55

It's really good. You should watch it. Have you seen it? Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:00

There's good parts of it. I'll say that. Like some the acting. I like some of the actors in it. I think they're really interesting. Like the casting is interesting, but yeah, for the most part, I was like, I I again though, I think it was a film that everyone told me to.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

Oh, you should watch it, it's really good. And I'm like, yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:16

Is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

Uh is it alright? Yeah. I've watched other films.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:19

Like Marty Supreme, the movie that everybody I know hates. Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:24

I have no interest in seeing it until I found out that Darius Congee did the cinematography. And now I'm like, ugh, I do like his work, so I might watch it purely for his like like pictures.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:36

No, it's worth watching. It's just like, why is it getting yeah? Oh, because nobody I know that saw it liked it. I don't know one person that saw it that liked it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:46

I I don't I don't I don't think I don't think the Safety brothers are doing it for me. I like Good Time.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

Yeah, they I'm not crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:53

But Uncut Gems, I I couldn't care less about that. I was watching it just like you you could have got out of this situation so much easier. Oh.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

Drove me mad. Crazy it did. Um which which I feel like this is a nice segue into what film holds a special place in your heart.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:13

Special place in your heart. Oh 16 candles, man. Oh love this Breakfast Club.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:22

I I can't get an though those are I can't get enough of Hughes, John Hughes.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

Fair, fair, fair.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:28

He's he's an underrated genius.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:31

And nobody could write teenagers like him. Nobody. No. Nobody.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

No, they couldn't. Like I i y that the going back to that sort of in-betweeners thing I was saying at the beginning, it's that is almost the most normal teenager you see in like teenage movies. Like all of those uh Breakfast Club kids were just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's just a bunch of normal kids.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:54

They weren't overly gorgeous, but they were beautiful. Yeah. They weren't they had flaws, but you know, like just the Molly Ringwald and uh Anthony, like just putting those two together, and it was so like I just you know, like you always had the guy that was that you you really wanted a boyfriend, but you the guy who liked you was always a dude like Anthony Michael Hall, and you're just like, ah, like leave me alone. No, like you can't have my underwear, go away. I was like, my guy was Norman Denzer, like Norman Denzer liked me, and he's he crumpled crackers in my dress when I was sitting next to him at the lunch, and it was always like, Why can't I have that guy? And I got Norman Denzer, you know, it's like, oh my god. Like he would he would John Hughes would bring out like all those things, and then like, you know, and Molly Ringwald was just she was so awkward and but yet also beautiful that you were like, Yeah, that's me. Yeah, like not a classic beauty, but like if you know, like and you could just relate to being her, and then she gets Michael Sheffling who disappeared after.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:02

But the thing is, is like the hot guy saw that in her. Yes, and you felt that, and you went like, see, if somebody just got to know me, exactly, they would fall in love with me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

If only for one second I'd stop ruffling dandruff out of my hair. Then someone would see me.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:21

Oh Did you know those two characters were supposed to be cast differently? The um the guy who played the jock and the other uh Emilio Estevez and Hirsch. When they were gonna cast it, they wanted Emilio Esteves to play um the Judd Hirsch character and Judd Hirsch to play the Emilio Estevez character. I I can't remember which one. I think it was Emilio Esteves that was like, no, I want to play I want to play the Jock. But originally they were gonna play the other characters. Which I could see.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:50

Yeah, I can see it. Like it's not out of line, but I also feel like they did the right show.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:57

Oh yeah, but I they that's not originally like the character they were gonna play it from. I read this whole thing about it, but and those movies hold up. Like I wa I watched it not both of them not too long ago, and I'm like, these are still freaking awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

Yeah. 100% correct. Like they are.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:15

I mean, I feel sorry for young kids that haven't seen them now. Because I feel like a lot of the teen movies now is just like these beautiful teens that are just I think it's quite damaging.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:24

I think it's quite damaging for all of these kids to see like beautiful, sort of immaculate people going to school. And you're just like, but hang on, that's not us. Where's the acne? Where's the the clothes that are a bit snug because you've you put on a bit of weight? Like, where's all where's just like your trainers aren't as cool as the next kids? Like, where's all of that? Like, right, that's not real, and then you're you're building up this whole thing of like, well, life is all about looking good, and it's like, good luck with that, because when you hit 21 that might not be the case anymore, and you've spent too much time on that. Like exactly trying to think good.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:04

Yeah, none of his characters were over the top. Even Michael Sheffling, who's one of the most gorgeous dudes on the planet, that's how you say his name, right? Michael Sheffling, the the guy who played the love interest and in Sixteen Candles.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:16

He only would that's his Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:18

I th I I mean he's like the most beautiful person that Hughes put in the movies, but he also felt very real because you always had that guy at school that freaking looked like Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:29

There was always like the there was the there was without a doubt the hottest girl and the hottest guy at school. And they usually went out, and like you knew it's like, well, they're the hot two, that's fine. Right, and then and then their mates are almost as hot as them, but not as hot but not quite, but they're all gonna be together, obviously, and then we're gonna come down the ranks to where I am, and that's where we are. I'm the top of the nerds, that's fine. I can live with that, you know. Like, but yeah, there is always that one where you're like you you s fucking save some save some for the rest of us, alright, guy? Like, get out of here, get out of here.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:02

And they and the boobs, like you were like, the boobs, the girl that had the boobs, and you're like, Oh, she's got the best boobs. And you like look down and you're like, Where's mine? Like Polly Ringwald. I know, that's how my mother comes over. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:17

They'll turn up eventually.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:18

Like, movies. Yeah. I mean, people are hating a lot on that movie because of that Asian sequence, and I'm like, Oh, long duck dong. Yeah, just fucking stop hating on it. Like, stop fucking hating on it. Like, it was a time period, it was never done out of spite, and it it it doesn't movie, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

It's horrible to say it. It was acceptable then, and it wasn't being done like viciously, if that makes sense. There's um that scene in Crocodile Dundee that they cut because uh he touches a trans woman like by the crotch to find out that they are pre and they cut it out of the Blu-ray over here. I don't know if they did it for you guys.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:00

I don't like when they do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

I don't like that, because I'm like, right, well that's a learning moment. He is a fish out of water and he has learnt something new. Like, why are we cutting that? Yeah. Also, it was a film that was made 30 years ago. Attitudes have changed. That's fine. Like, are you not gonna show Birth of a Nation ever again?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:17

Like, I know, same with Gone with the Wind.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

Same with Gone with the Wind, which is an amazing movie too, and they're like, oh, we gotta cut this, or we gotta like can't watch this, or we can't and I'm like The fact that at the Academy there's what is it, um Hattie McDaniels' Oscar is not there. They're like she won it, but they're she never got it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:38

Why is it not there?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:39

Because she never received one, because of being a black woman.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:43

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:44

That's yeah, and it's like and it's like well done, Academy, for at least acknowledging your own bullshit. You're like, there it is. Yeah, that's that's the space that it would have sat in.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:51

The empty space, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:52

Yeah, and you're like Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:54

And it's like Yeah, I know, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

She wasn't allowed to walk the red carpet.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:59

But don't be going back and and and fucking cutting up movies and removing shit. It's just don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:06

My uh 4K of the Abyss is from Germany because they didn't release it over here because they wanted to get rid of the rat scene where the rat like is underwater because it's seriously? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:18

I don't think I've seen the abyss. That's the whole that I mean listen, I'm against animal testing, but that's the whole catalyst into seeing how it's gonna work, and it works.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:31

And it's shown in such a natural like ah, don't worry about it. Like the look, the rat's fine, you're in the ambiotic fluid, that's a thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:38

You're like, oh I'm sorry, but we're still doing that shit. So if you're gonna like we're still doing animal testing, we're still using rats for that purpose. So like w you can't pretend it away.

unknown 1:18:50

Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:50

It's happening.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:51

Yeah, that's exactly it, Shayna. It's like by cutting that stuff, it's pretending away that it didn't happen. I think it's even more detriment detrimental because you're trying to erase history like everything was no. Like you like, I think it's I don't think it's like I mean, I guess if you're an idiot and it's it you think that that's proper, but most people are gonna get the lesson from it, or they're gonna go, oh, that that might not be right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:15

Yeah, you know, but it was yeah, we should be cringing. We should we should be cringing at things and be like, oh, thank God we evolved from that.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:24

Exactly. And yeah, it's I cutting anything out. I always just feel like nah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:29

Oh, it makes me crazy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:30

It annoys me. Also, it makes me crazy from one perspective, but also from like a creative perspective. I'm like, how fucking dare you?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:36

Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:37

Don't cut my work. Like it's my fucking work. Like, what the hell do you think you're doing? Like, don't release it, don't make money off of my IPs if you don't like the entire project. If you don't like it, fuck off. Like, I'd rather you didn't do it. Like, it uh yeah, I agree. But I'm completely fine with it. I'm totally fine. I'm not I'm not furious at the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:58

Hey, I love it. Passion is important to be a filmmaker. Yeah, passion, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

Um what about you? What about uh special place for you, Shayna?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:06

So mine is sort of in that same realm. Um dirty dancing. Oh, dirty dancing, I love it. So dirty dancing came out when I was in fifth grade, and it was it was a movement. It was everybody had the jean shorts, everybody got that perm. The soundtrack was the first one that was just like every song was a banger. And we all got, you know, when you had the like one cent BMG where you get all the DVDs and like and and and you start listening to DVDs, that was like the number one that everyone got. It was like the dirty dancing soundtrack, and it played all the time. And I must have I I probably have seen that movie over probably 200, 300 times. I love that movie. It was just it was so monumental, and I during that time where it was like dancing and and being free, and like it was the same, but it's in the same line of the girl character who is brave and wants to break free from the the world that she lives in to become somebody bigger, you know, and she saves the guy in the end and like all of that. So, yeah, dirty dancing was was it for me. I've never seen that's a movie that couldn't be made.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:28

Oh my god, it's so good. And that's a movie that couldn't be made now either, with the abortion issue and I didn't understand that then.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:34

I was like, why is her tummy hurt?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:38

It's so good.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:39

You have to And now I'm like, I watch it and I'm like, oh my god, that is so devastating. Yeah, she went to like a back alley abortionist with like a coat hanger, basically, and like it was a commentary on fucking pro choice.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:53

So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:55

Damn lazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:56

But it it was yeah, it's deeper than I thought this film.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:59

I should go watch it.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:00

Oh, yeah, it's great. It was kind of like in the same vein of Footloose with the the soundtrack. When the Footloose soundtrack came out, like everybody was like Footloose Top Gun had a great soundtrack too. Yep, Top Gun, all those, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

Top Gun did have a great soundtrack. I that's a film that I have seen more than I'd like to because a lot of my friends joined the RAF. So they were all big into like Top Gun because they all wanted to be fighter pilots. And like they were like, Oh, should watch Top Gun. I'm like, Alright boys, like will you want to watch the volleyball scene again? Like, just to make you want to watch the volleyball scene again. And they're like, No, it's the fighter jets, they're cool. And I'm like, I love Top Gun.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:37

Top Gun's a freaking great movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:39

That is a great movie, and the new one, Maverick, that was good.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:42

The new one was good too. Yeah, I like it too.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:45

Yeah, I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:46

I there's very few Tom Cruise films I don't like. You know what I mean? Like, he he produces bangers. Man, man's producing bangers all the time.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:53

I like him. I like him.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:55

I do too. I like him, and I don't want to, but I do. I really do. I'm always like, okay. He's gonna entertain me.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:03

Every single person I know who's worked with him, like, has only spoken very highly. Like that I've never heard a bad like I've heard bad stories from like nice people, if you know what I mean. But with him, everyone is always like, no, he's a butte. Like, yeah. He'll hear that it's like a runner's birthday, and he'll bring cake for everyone. And it's like lovely, lovely. He treats everyone like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:28

I think he works very hard on that persona, and I think that's the thing is like, is that real or is that just I hope it's real, but it's hard, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:39

Because of the Scientology, yeah, he's trying to do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:41

But this is it's hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

I think the persona is um it's more like, and I'll be careful when I say these things, like I think it's more spectrum related than it is malicious. I think he may I don't think he has like, oh, I'm gonna make this nice guy persona because that's what I need to be. I think it's more like oh, I am so focused on film, but I um I I'm also a nice person, right? And he just does these things because it's like because that's what I want to be. And I don't know if he necessarily believes it, but I I know he needs to do it. So I think it's like the that nice sort of persona isn't like when he gets home he's you know boiling kittens and being like these fucking chumps. No, no, no. Yeah, he's actually a bit like when he gets home, he probably just sits there like I just think he has a lot of self-awareness of those of those beats.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:37

You know what I mean? So I think that like he I think he tries really hard to be nice. I don't and I it makes sense. Because he lives a wild life, like he doesn't live a normal life. And trying to be normal and nice is very difficult, I think, when you're that much of a superstar. There's no normal, so I think he that's what I'm saying is like I think he tries to be this like nice normal guy. That's the persona is to be nice and nice normal guy when nothing about your life and your world is normal.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:07

That's fair, yeah. That's fair.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:10

Well, but good for him. At least he's nice and kind to people, you know. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:14

At least at least he is not a dick word, because there's so many. There's so many dick words. And like people that they don't realize, like I've I've shattered some people's illusions when I'm like, this person's a bit of an arsehole. And they're like, really? And I'm like, sorry.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:29

Sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:31

I'm sorry, I'm the one to tell you this, but I was also devastated when I found out.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:35

So mean people, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:37

Mean people everywhere. Which leads us nicely. What's your controversial opinion on a famous film?

SPEAKER_07 1:25:46

Well, I would say I I'm just gonna go down three horror films. I would say uh Barbarian really, really pissed me off. People think that that movie's so fantastic because first of all, it is fantastic. The first 20 minutes, 30 minutes of setup, everything, you're like, holy shit, I'm like on this great ride. And then and then it's like they don't know how to make that pay off. So they go this completely bizarre direction, and then it's all about a woman who's awful. Like, like, right, like that makes me mad. And then, and then hereditary, like I I felt the same way about hereditary, it's on this great ride, and then they don't know what to do, and then they do they put together this hodgepodge ending of like shit that everybody's seen when it started out so original. So those are two. But for the but for the positive win, I would like to say that this could be controversial because I just think a lot of people didn't get it, but I thought Heretic was fucking genius.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:45

Right. Genius, underrated. I am on board with all of these.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:49

Yay!

SPEAKER_03 1:26:50

Because nice like Barbarian, I enjoyed it. Like, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it. But the more you think about it, the less I was like, okay, it looked good, it started great, and it was going a nice direction, and I like that they subverted it, that it he wasn't the scumbag. And then the second half, I was like, this is also another great film on its own, uh, unrelated to anything else, and uh, I don't know why I'm watching it now.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:14

You know, like right, right. See, but that second half of that movie with the mama down underground and her like needs to breastfeed, and like the whole thing, and then has superpowers and can like bust through walls. I was like, what are you doing? I don't need to see a man come in there and whole be like, here, suck my tit. Like, I don't need that. Let's not make her just the stereotypical childbearing woman who's like gross and I it was just it was like, What?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

I think Zach Craig has proved that he d doesn't know what he's doing.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:54

You said it. That's why I don't want to see weap weapons because I think I've heard weapons falls apart too.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

Don't really fall apart.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:04

Yeah, like I haven't seen it yet because I'm like, am I gonna be as annoyed as barbarians? So I kind of like put it off. I keep putting it off. I'm like, oh, I should see it. And then I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna watch something else. Yeah, watch anything.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:14

Same thing where you're where it falls apart. Yeah. Great, great, amazing premise. Like flawless premise. What a great opening. What a great start to it. And then somehow in there, like you lose you, you lose it. And then you're like, well, what do I do now? Okay, I guess we'll do that. That's what I feel like they don't know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:35

Well, he did say.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:36

There was so much potential.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:38

Yeah. There's so much potential. And he did say in an interview, like, oh, we were kind of just making up as we were going along. It's like, yeah, you don't fucking say, mate.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:45

Clearly.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:46

Like, the fact that at the beginning of the film it says these kids were never seen again, and at the end, there's an epilogue thing that says, like, oh, they were seen, but not not how they were like seen before. So you know what I mean. Right. And it's like, right, super, yeah, this film's gonna piss me off.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:03

Oh, yeah, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:04

It pissed me off so much.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:06

The whole thing. You're like, what?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

Yeah. Hereditary is another one. Hereditary to me, I was just like, I I like I always f sound like a fucking film snob when I say these things, but it's like, oh, I've seen uh good weird horror films. Um you guys clearly haven't because you think hereditary is good.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it starts out so good, and then it's like, oh, we don't know what to do with it, so let's do this lame ending that I've seen a million times that doesn't really fit with anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:33

And it's just like alright, cool. Like, and everyone's like, oh, it's so good though. Like, go watch fucking anything else. Like, yeah, because there's so many better films out there that are doing everything weird and wonderful, and you just you've never seen it, so you think it's how I feel about Tarantino. It's that, like, if you haven't got the time, by all means go watch a Tarantino film. If you do have the time, go watch Black PlayStation films.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:57

Oh my god, I'm so on the same page as you. Like, it's I've never heard a guy put down Tarantino. I'm impressed. All guys love Tarantino.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:05

Tarantino and Nolan can go fuck off, alright? I'll put it that way. They're not my guys.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:11

Except for Memento, except for Memento.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:14

Oh, Memento and Insomnia and that's it. But yeah. Yeah. When his brother was writing for him, he was okay. But Taranto was a genius, yeah. But but Tarantino, he can fuck off. It really annoys me. But um And you were a heretic fan?

SPEAKER_07 1:30:29

You were a heretic fan, though?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:31

I really enjoy seeing Hugh Grant being a scumbag.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:35

Bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:36

Yeah. Like he was so good.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:38

He should have been nominated for something for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:39

Should have gotten it.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:41

I think he was nominated, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:42

Yeah. No, I don't think he was.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:44

I don't think he was. But I feel like every like people just didn't either they didn't get it or they didn't. It didn't get the love that I felt like it should get.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:54

Um did it not get the love because it showed a woman overpowering a man.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:01

Perhaps. Or it dealt with religion. I think it was the religious aspect. I think people didn't want to touch it. It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

Over here surprising? Over here, it's not such a big deal. Like if the thing's religious, we don't really care. You know what I mean? Yeah. But in the States it is so divisive, and you're just like, oh my god, like you're only offended because it's the one that you've decided to believe in. Like other people don't give a fuck. Like, just let it be.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:27

It was so smart. It had so many smart things in it. I just loved it. I just so shocked by it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

Yeah, I was shocked by it. I was enjoying it. Like the weird, like um sort of creepy old lady downstairs.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:39

I was like, that's got me.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:41

That's got me good. Yeah. Like, I like that. But yeah, I I I like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:45

And the candle, like, I didn't I mean, I guess it's a spoiler, but I didn't realize.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:49

Oh, I did the whole time. I knew it right when it was there. I was like, I did it! I was like, Oh no!

SPEAKER_01 1:31:56

Get out, get out there, there's no one baking pies. I know, yeah, oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:01

Love it. But that's the thing, like, there's loads of little bits in it that are just like, yes, yes, this is good. This is good. So yeah, well done. Good choices. Good choices.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:12

And okay, now mine is gonna be a bit of a debate, I think, which I'm listening. Again, I'm gonna preface this with I'm not a hundred percent right on this, but this is from my core perspective of a flawed film that gets a lot of praise. So there's there's there's the one side, like cinematically, I think it's great. I think it was shot well, I think it's gorgeous. Wait, tell me. I think it's cool looking substance.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:42

She's talking about substance.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:44

The substance is my controversial film. I fucking hated it. And I really wanted to like it. I really wanted to like it. But for me, it contradicts itself at its core. It is supposed to be a film about female bodies and the shit that is put on a female in terms of like body image and all this stuff. But it's casting a woman who has massive body issues, you're not helping your situation. And I feel like it goes absolutely against that in a lot of ways in the movie. And the other part that drives me crazy about it is logically, listen, I like surrealism. Great, I get it. I will, you can, I can go out and I can believe a lot of things. I can suspend my disbelief. But there's parts of this film from the very, very beginning that was convenient writing. And that starts with when she's at the beginning and she's this walk of fame, very famous Jane Fonda workout, and she doesn't have a dressing room, she has to go in the public bathroom, and it's convenient so that that guy walks in there, the executive, and talks and she overhears it. That to me was strike one. Strike two is when um I forget what's the girl's name that Quayley. Um it's Elizabeth Sparkle and then it's Sue. Okay, so when Sue moves into Sparkle's apartment, yeah. She doesn't have an ID. She doesn't have she's making all this money and doing all this stuff. Yes, there's no reference to like how this is happening. And so it constantly I was like, how is what how does she security number? She has no identity. Also, in the beginning, there's a maid that comes all the time behind Demi Moore, very deliberate, putting about this maid never shows up again. The other part is destruction of the bathroom to create this secret fucking compartment in an apartment, but like give me a break. Like all of that just drove me crazy, and I couldn't get into the fun of the story because it just there was nothing that made sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:00

Yes, like drive me crazy. I I I do that you've hit very valid points. Like, I will disagree and say I enjoyed it. I didn't dislike it for those points, but they are completely valid. Like the the the breaking of the wall one, like I've worked construction, and I was just like, Really? You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna demo that wall, are you? And you're gonna have that much of a cavity space behind it. No, thank you. And none of your neighbours are gonna complain.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:28

Like And retile it perfectly.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:29

And retile it perfectly. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you had loads of time being a fucking tiler. Like, Jesus Christ, where's your float? Why do you have a float ready to go to grout? Get out of here, man. So that that yeah yeah, yeah, that annoyed me. Um and the social security thing really annoyed me. I was like, right, she doesn't have any ID, she has nothing to say that she is who she is. So they're apparently she's gonna get paid, but into the same account. Like w what?

SPEAKER_11 1:35:58

Right, like and no one's questioning.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:00

HR's not gonna be like, oh, we're still paying Sparkle. No, no, no, this is Sue.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:03

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:04

She lives in the same address, she's got the same social, she's got like unless there's a fraud going on, we're paying the same woman.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:11

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:12

And yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:13

Yeah, it was just like address it.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:16

When it comes into that whole thing of like the body positivity and all that kind of stuff like Demi Moore looked great at the beginning, like but they didn't need to make her look uh shitter and shitter artificially, and I'm not saying like they should have just let her go oh natural, 'cause that's hideous enough. That's not what I'm saying at all. Like it's you're trying to show that uh she her body deteriorates when it's like, yeah, but what we should be saying is that it deteriorates and it gets to a perfectly normal sixty-year-old woman's body who's in immaculate like condition anyway but that's not good enough. Even if you look like Demi Moore in your sixties, that's not good enough. But instead they made her look like a haggard old witch, and it's like but that's not what we're saying. That's not like if she was if she looked like that, she wouldn't have been given those jobs anymore. That's true. But she's not. She looks like you're right. A very good looking woman. And like obviously Margaret Quayley is uh she's a great actor, I think she's one of the things.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:24

Actress, I love her work, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:26

But they put fake tits on her for this film, and I'm like, that's what I'm talking about. That's going against the stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:33

It's that stuff that drives me nuts. It's like you're feeding into what you're saying this film is against, but you're doing it. Like you're creating this world that is through the male lens and this like googly oogling googling about female body, but you're doing it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:51

100%.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:52

That was my problem. Yeah. So I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:56

I agree. I still enjoy it. I do like that film a lot.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:59

Yeah, the only thing I would say is I appreciated it because it was she the director has a completely authentic, you unique voice, and and like what she did I haven't seen before in terms of like so. I appreciate her bringing I appreciate that she's not like some freaking copying everybody, that she's kind of like marching toward a drum. So I appreciate that. I I agree with you. I agree with you on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:29

It's the same way I feel about like um Ryan Kugler winning best original script for Sinners when it's like, I'm sorry, we've all we've all seen from Dust Till Dawn.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:37

I love Sinners.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:38

But we've all seen From Dust Till Dawn.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:39

It is from Dust Till Dawn! It's the same fucking idea. Which is great, but like, yeah, like But that's not- I love Sinners.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:47

So But it's not But it's not an original idea. But if by him winning the Oscar means loads of other people of colour will be able to like tell their unique stories, then I have no issue with him winning because it's like, well, it's opened the gates for a much like more diverse realm of filmmaking, and it's the same way I feel with the filmmakers behind Substance. It's like Yes, you there are flaws and there are things I don't like, but you've done something unique and new for a mass audience. So I'll forgive these things if it means we can get more stuff like this. We haven't yet got more stuff like this.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:23

That's fine, but yeah, so that's that's the struggle for me too is like I appreciate it, I want that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:30

It was just I wish that it could be practice what you preach, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:36

It could have been done better, it could have been done more effectively, and the script could have been fixed. Like those little fixed. Yeah, there was yeah, yeah, just stuff in there. Oh, that would be so easy to fix. Yeah, it's a script of convenience to get you to the next plot point, which was annoying. But yes, bring that kind of film on. I loved that it was like a body horror film that made such a splash and award-winning and all that stuff. Loved it.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:02

And female led. Female led without being pandered to. It was just like, no, no, no, here it is. Here's some great writing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't like the last when it lost the when it shit the bed at the end where Mark Quayley's like. Yeah, I didn't like the end.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:16

Oh, yeah, the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:17

No, no, I didn't like the end either.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:19

But again, I took it. I was like, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:23

Which is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:24

It was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:25

At least I wasn't bored. And I didn't like Dennis Quaid. I I normally loved Dennis Quaid, but I hated him in it. I know they were they were trying to they were trying to make like a surreal kind of over-the-top character. I just felt like none of it was grounded in truth, and I was like, I don't know at all.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:40

Yeah. Just smarmy. Smarmy for Smarmy's sake.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:45

You know, he wasn't Smarmy because he was trying so hard to be smarmy.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:49

That's how I felt. I'm like Right. It was a character. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:55

He wasn't like the self-awareness of him like eating the shrimp cocktail wasn't transferred into the rest of it. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:05

Well, you've ruined it for me now. I hate it.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:09

Ew.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:10

No, it's it's fine. I'll I'll watch it again. I'll watch it again. Um so what have you been watching recently, the pariah?

SPEAKER_07 1:41:18

Well, I a couple things. First of all, I'm all about true crime and cult documentaries. I don't know, I love true crime and cult documentaries. So I watched just watch Bring Me the Beauties, which was awesome. And there's a Robin Bird documentary out. I didn't know who she was. She's fascinating. But the best movie I saw this year, which I think is an absolutely flawless movie, flawless script, is Pillion. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:44

Oh, I haven't seen it, but I I know what it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:48

I had to look up, I'm like, who made this movie? Who wrote this script? And it turned out it was a guy who won, I think the the British Oscar for Best Short. The directing is genius, the casting is genius, the script is genius, and it's fun. It's a movie about BDSM gay guys that has heart and is really like there's a lot of sadness in it, but it's also fun. Like you laugh, like you don't feel sorry for the main guy. Like, well, also it's Skarsgard, so he's gorgeous to watch. And you're seeing him play a completely unique character, and they put him with a guy who's not attractive at all, I don't think. But becomes attractive because he's so like interesting. It's just I I thought it was flawless. It's been a long time since I saw a movie that I got so excited about where I was like, I would change nothing. I would not change one word in that script. It was so like every beat was needed, there was nothing extra, there was no shortcuts. I just thought it was fantastic. So there. See it.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:56

I think I met this guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:58

The guy who plays the lead in it?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:00

Because he no, the director, uh Harry Lighton.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:04

Oh, so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:06

He was up, he did a film, a a short film in 2017 for the London Film BFI London Film Festival. Shorts.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:13

Yeah, he's I think he's only done short films. And what also was interesting is the the gay guy um in it that his parents, like you don't really see that many movies where the parents are super supportive of him being gay. So it wasn't a poor me story. Yes. It was not a poor me story, which I appreciated.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:31

Because I don't usually see that with movies with Dudley Dursley, whatever from Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:36

It's Dudley Dursley from Harry Potter. Oh, I never knew I didn't know who he was. I'm like, who is this guy? He's fantastic. Yeah, he's Scarsgard.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:47

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:48

He should be so lucky.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:50

Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I love that. I saw that like maybe about two or three weeks ago, and I'm like, this is a perfect movie. To me, that was a perfect movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:57

Sick. I'll track it down. I'll try and find it.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:59

Speaking of perfect, I just watched all every episode of Love Island. No, Shada, no! Credibility and such good research. Oh my god, it's such good research for location. One year old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, no, just the language alone that you learn that things are saying. And I'm like, why are they saying like I don't fuck with you? That's a good that's a good thing or a bad thing. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Yeah, fuck with someone is a good thing. Yeah, really? Fuck with someone, it's a good thing. If you don't like them, yeah, then you're like, no. I would think it would be the opposite. I know. I'd say, don't fuck with me. I know. It's not our generation. They if if they fuck with you, they like you, whatever. Then they're you're like, you're in. Um, I also have on the airplane back from Italy, I watched the entire second season of House of the Dragon.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:55

Which I wouldn't have done if I was at home.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:57

No, you needed a long flight from that.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:00

I needed a long flight to just watch the whole thing. And then um a show that I think is absolutely amazing called Widow's Bay on Apple. Oh my gosh, it's so fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:12

Yeah, so buddy of mine told me about this.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:16

Yes. So it's like if you watched Midnight Mass, the um Oh, I loved Midnight Mass. Okay, so whoever watched this person who created Widows Bay clearly watched Midnight Mass and was like, okay, I want to do like a dark comedy version of this, but set on an island full of like sea lore, like sea legends. Oh my god, it's so funny. It's funny. Do you think I would like it? Yes, you would love it. Okay. It's very dark and twisty.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:43

I saw like there's a dance scene in like the fourth episode, and there's like, you know, blink and you'll miss it moments that are like keep an eye out for that. And I was like, ooh, well done. Well done.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:54

Yes. It's so it's great. It's not a flanagan joint, is it? No, it's not a flanagan movie. No, it's um, I think it's a female, I think a female writer creator of this. But clearly, like, when you watch it, you're like, oh yeah, this this person was a fan of Midnight Mass for sure. And I can't. Well then I have to see it because when that was one of my favorites. I love Midnight Mass, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:15

Midnight Mass was really good, apart from, and it's my thing with all of Flanagan's things, is when he all of a sudden he's just like, now my characters are gonna monologue at each other. And you're just like, Oh yeah. Come on, guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:25

They cut it out. I was on the rock. The whole time I was like, gotta get the info out.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:31

Dump that info, dump the info, dump, go, go, go, go.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:33

Yeah, dump, dump, and then die. Dump and die. That's what I call it, dump and die. Like, you know, when someone gives their final thing, you're like, they're about to die. They just told their whole thing, and there's nowhere to go.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:45

But the monologues are so good. Yeah. That's true. You have to give you even if you don't the writing and the acting of those monologues.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:53

Definitely the acting. The acting's are all is always like uh a good one. I watched Howl, not Howl, Hush recently, which I think is one of his first ones.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:02

Where it I've seen Hush.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:04

It's his I can't remember who's the actor that plays his the actor that plays his wife. Who's his wife who is the actor? She is playing.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:11

Oh, she's the deaf girl. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:14

Kate Kate Siegel. Kate Siegel. Kate Siegel. Oh yeah, that's uh because it reminds me of the Katie Sagal.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:21

Seagull, that's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:23

Who is wonderful. I love her. But um, yeah, she's playing uh a deaf woman.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:30

And there is someone trying to break into her house.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:35

I wasn't that crazy about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:37

It was alright. I didn't mind it. Um monologue. So that was good.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:45

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:47

That was it. That's all I had to add to uh the Mike Hannigan chat. Um So do you only consume films on flights or do you watch films at home?

SPEAKER_08 1:47:59

I watch films at so I have a nine-year-old, so we tend to watch what he wants to watch when the TV comes on. Um I d I try, but I need to be better at watching more things. Like I still need to see obsession. We're gonna I'm gonna take my nine-year-old to see the Odyssey because we love Greek mythology and the whole Odyssey story. I'm a little wary about taking a 10-year-old, you know, to see that, but um what it'll be fine. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. It'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:27

Um his films aren't like they're not like grotesque, if you know what I mean. Like I feel like they're more exactly. Exactly. There's no, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:36

They're historic, yeah, stuff. And there's no there's no sex or nudity in it. But we tend to. I mean, if you want to talk about seeing, like, you know, the Mario Brothers movie or the Mandalorian and Grey Goo, Grogu, or you know, those kinds of films, I could talk to you all day about that. Oh my god, tends to be what I go to the theater to see.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:01

Did you see Turning Red?

SPEAKER_08 1:49:02

Oh my god. Yes, love Turning Red.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:05

That was good. I really like that one.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:06

That one's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:07

I don't watch many kids' films because I just don't have um I don't have kids in my life. I have a niece, but she lives up in Scotland, so we're just not like physically whatever. So I don't know about like kids' films that come out.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:21

So I'm not opposed to kids' films. Me neither. I love a kids' film, but I just I like someone will be like, Toy Story 5's coming out, and I'm like, There was a fourth.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:31

Great. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a big Toy Story fan. We didn't go see Toy Story, but um, I do like a good animated film. When it's done well, it's like the it gets you right in the feelers.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:43

And you're like, like Wild Robot really got me, and I had read the book. Um I really like six.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:50

That was good fun.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:51

That one's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:52

Um, what did we see that made me cry? Gotta train your dragon. Oh, I like those.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:57

I love those.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:58

That's the only that's the only I'm not a Big animated film, but I did like Mitchell. I really like Mitchell. If you haven't seen Mitchells versus the Machines, that's a really good one. It's super like creatively, it felt very fresh.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:11

Mitchell's versus the machines.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:13

And has a good like family drama in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:15

Okay. Give that a go.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:17

Of like teenager trying to break free, but like not allowed to, and you know, like, but she's super smart and like tech savvy, but her dad wants her to go here, and she's like really good on she wants to make movies, and he doesn't want her to, and like it's and she saves the day by making a video of something. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:35

Like, oh K-pop demon hunters as well. That was fun.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:40

That one was fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:41

Yes. I used to have a big uh silly white truck, which how else is everyone meant to know I'm insecure about my penis? So I had this big truck, but I would also like blast K-pop demon hunters. So people would see this big truck and they'd be like, oh yeah. And then I'd be like, my little soda pub. And I'd love it.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:58

So everyone was that for Halloween. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:02

Oh, I don't blame them.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:03

I haven't seen a massive Halloween. It's fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:06

I would say that one's fun what watching. Definitely with that one. Like out of all the films that you haven't seen that we've mentioned on this, like, I would say that's probably the the one that I'd be like, oh, go see that. Like, go track that down. It's on Netflix. That's fun. Um I would say ignore weapons though.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:24

Yeah. Yeah, I've been pushing it to the back of my don't do it. It's not working. Even though I'm like, I need to get on a spanwagon and see this film. Everybody's seen it but me.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:32

I can just tell you what happens in about five seconds, and then you'll be like, oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:36

Yeah, nothing.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:37

Well, I know I'm gonna be annoyed because I was like, And there's no real like there's no real why or like or there's there's there's no real uh meat on the bone of the why.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:50

It's candy flush.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:51

No, it's just it's just so how did it win all these awards?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:55

Because people uh don't know films. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:59

Films because she created a great character and it was like the underdog story about the actress who's done bunch but get finally gets a cool role and like I think she's ridiculous. I don't think it's that great.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:10

The character's not that good. And she did No She did a great role in Gone Baby Gone. Like, we what we all can pretend that we didn't know who Amy was before this. Like, come on. Yeah, I know everyone's been smashing it out the park for 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:23

They love those, they love those stories of the you know, the the the actress supporting actress who finally gets like and then we all just grab onto it and be it for Halloween.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:38

I feel like the when Parasite came out, I was a similar thing because I was I hated Parasite.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:43

Oh my god, right? You were the only person that didn't like it. I mean Paris. Oh, really? I thought I was the only one because everybody gave me such a hard time, and I'm like once again I appreciated it, but those characters, I just was like, no. And I love a character that you don't like, but you gotta kinda you like them for not liking them, and I just thought they were all just fuck, I don't want to hang out with these people at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:05

Like, I really like South Korean cinema. Like, I think it's one of my favorite like world cinemas. So when everyone was like, Oh, you should go see Parasite, I'm like, oh, you should watch Memories of Murder. Like, it's a better film. I was like, or you should just Memories of Murder is that's the top of the list. It's like, or go watch Host, or just like any other Bong June.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:24

I just got that at the DVD store. I haven't seen it. I just got host because I was like, oh, it's Korean, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:30

So good. Or like The Handmaiden. I'm glad. Like The Handmaiden. I can watch The Handmaiden like all the time. It's such a beautiful film.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:37

It's like that was the other one, Memories of Memories of Murder.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:41

Memories of toast.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:42

Did you see Memories of Toast? I was like, oh, that was this morning.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:47

I mean, I remember toast. I remember all the good slices or the bad slices, but I remember every slice.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:51

Memories of toast.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:53

Jeez. You are hungry.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:56

Somebody needs to go eat lunch.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:59

That's what they're called.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:01

That's that's her memoir.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:03

Yeah, memories of toast.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:04

Lorissa's memoir will be called Memories of Toast. I don't even eat toast.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:08

You don't even eat toast.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:10

No, eggs for breakfast.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:13

You're not even living.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:13

What do you mean you don't eat toast?

SPEAKER_06 1:54:15

I never eat toast. I could have buttered toast. I can eat butter toast for the rest of my life. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:22

Just buttered toast. That's all I need.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:25

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:26

Crazy. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:27

Wow, I'm glad some other people didn't like parasite because I got really lectured about not liking parasite. I was actually going to put that on my list and I was like, no, I don't want to go there.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:36

People are going to think that I'm ignorant because I didn't like parasite.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:39

Should have gone there. Always go there.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:42

I love it. I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:45

There have been some great choices. Um is there any is there anything you want to shout out? Any work you want to like promote? Anything you want to say, you know, go watch, go find, go listen to.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:56

Go see our short lunch ladies, please. There we go.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:00

It's on Ulta, so I'll put the link um in the in the description to make sure everyone goes to it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:07

We also did a um a documentary, a short nine-minute documentary with our friend Kent called Butts, but it's not out yet. But if you see it at a festival, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:19

And go check out our website, rebelminks.com, and um there'll be links there, and you can see some of our hopeful upcoming projects that that we're trying to get made.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:32

Oh, and Shayna's husband has a new song out, and Shana wrote the video. So Oh nice. Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:41

Yeah, so if you go to YouTube, go to YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:44

Do a shout out for your husband's, you know, little band he has over there.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:49

Yeah, this is a shout-out to the callings' new song, Dust. And I wrote the music video treatment, and that is on YouTube. And uh yeah, go check it out. It's um it's such a great cinematic anthemic song. So if you like big movies, you'll like that song too.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:10

Uh from New Um Full Moon.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:13

Oh yeah. Um, and look out for this fall for full moon features. Clarissa and I wrote The Lost Girls Private Diary, which is filming in September or October in Italy, and uh will be out soon after that.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:30

That's exciting. Yeah. That is that will be that'll be cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:33

Just felt like we just bragged about ourselves, but uh I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:36

No, I this is the this is the time. It was invited bragging. It was like brag about yourself for a good 30 seconds, enjoy yourself, you know what I mean? It's all good.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:45

Love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:45

Well, thank you very much for coming on. It's been great talking to you both.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:48

Um really fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:50

Like, I I I think it's interesting that, well, it's no surprise you guys write together because you do have sort of similar threads throughout your life without like without expressly like crossing over. They still deal in the same worlds of sort of like escape and then you know, um being able to do whatever it is you want to do without someone telling you what to. So it's very interesting to see that. It's been lovely to speak to you both.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:15

Yeah. Yeah. So fun.