Cory Ife - Musican - Horror lover

Joining me this week, Cory Ife

Cory is known for being the lead singer and frontman for the band 'Modern Reptiles.' He has a love for horror and sci-fi in particular, and has aspirations to be involved in the film industry during his lifetime.

Cory was also spotlighted by illustrious film composer and musician 'Danny Elfman' after him and his team were made aware of how much his plethora of music had impacted Cory, partly due to his covers of some Elfman's "Oingo Boingo" classics.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Your Life and Film. I'm your host, Ted Bennett. Joining me this week, uh Corey Eiffel. Corey is the lead singer to the band Modern Reptiles. Modern Reptiles are a frantic alt-rock punk band mixing new wave covers with their own stuff. If you're fans of uh the cure Roingo Boingo and Danny Elfman and you'll uh you'll love their stuff. Corey was telling me once how he managed to get uh one of his songs in front of Danny Elfman, and Danny loved it and invited him over to LA. Corey is also a big film fan. Big horror fan. That's how I knew him first. I knew him just through talking films with him. Another recording of this was four and a half hours long, and a lot of sort of like ADHD tangent talking had to be cut. So there's a bit of a reference to that later on, but that's okay. We start the conversation talking about my journalism, which led to talking about Demon Cundy.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Who who's the who's like who's like the the I thought it's a cliche question, but who's like the most famous person that you've like journaled then? Chris Nolan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

No, I I I saw him at uh an Empire Film Awards. Hey, that's awesome. He just walked straight past everyone and it was like Saw Mr. Carpenter at the uh the first one. Yeah, saw John Carpenter, Dean Cundy.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Yeah, Dean Cundy, I'm almost like because that's even like more niche, but it's like as niche and he's done more things.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Yeah, you know what I mean. You did a thing as well, yeah. Yeah, there's so many decent films. It's a great rock and roll high school.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

His his lighting is just like my favourite. Like Halloween is like, you know, don't get me wrong, John's genius, but like the lighting in Halloween is what makes that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

The atmosphere in Dean Cundy's work is and a bit like like I don't I've said this about other people, but like uh Roger Deacons. What I love about like Deacons' work is that there's no single oh that's a Roger Deacon's shot. Yeah. And Dean Cundy's the same. You don't look at Dean Cundy's work and go like, well, this is Dean Cundy. Yeah. You go, This is really nicely shot. Yeah. This is perfect for the story you're being told. A hundred. Who did this? Of course it was. Dean Cundy. Yeah, yeah. And it's the same with like Deacons. It's almost like good music.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

It's almost a little bit like that, like with that Danny Alpha and John Williams thing, where it's almost like sometimes music's better when it's like, oh went, it's almost like, you know, that what's the camera's then they got the potter guys, but you just listen to it and you go, that's perfect. I wonder who did that, rather than listen to it and go, Oh, that's John Williams.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Not that's a negative, but it's sometimes it's nice when it fills the space a bit more subconsciously.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Because if you're taken out of it, if you're like if you're watching a film, like especially things like um Darius Kanji, who did like Seven and Delicatessen and like Alien Resurrection and Amelie, like there's a very similar Alien Resurrection. He did Alien Resurrection.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Wow, I didn't know that was the same guy that did those other things. I've seen all four of those movies, and I would never ever put Alien Resurrection in the same part. I'm fairly certain it is before you did the film. Yeah, I believe it. I believe it.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Behind you check.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Oh yeah, there's an Alien Resurrection. You got the exact Did that come in the box? It did come in the box. I also had the exact same card.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

And then I slowly upgraded as and when they came out, so I'm waiting for the third one to get a new box. Should be Darius Kanji. Uh you give it a go. Yeah, you found it nice. Because it's followed by AFC, and I'm just like, what? The football? I don't know. But yeah, um Ren by Josh Wheaton.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

I I was I just read that on the back too, and I was gonna say, what the fuck? I had no idea he had any he had his hands on that movie too. What a weird movie. It is a weird one, and I rewatched it recently, and um it's bad, it's bad, and it's not even like kind of funny, bad, apart from the Secordian movement baseball shot's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Like I yeah, like that's probably the only plus point of the whole movie. I remember not mine like as a kid, I remember thinking it was good fun. Yeah, I like I and then rewatching it like oh it's awful.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

It's like isn't good, it's just weird. It's like the Jason X of the Alien franchise, where it's just like it's like completely different tonally, it's completely different, like it's definitely the visual style's completely different as well. Like it does it wasn't even it wasn't even trying to imitate, it was like just trying to be its own thing.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Which I respect. I can respect if you're gonna be like, okay, you're gonna do your own thing. Yeah. But like Fincher did his own thing. And you know, I I the Fincher cut of three I really like.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

It is uh I always get confused between the two. Is the Fincher one where it comes out dog and the one that was in the cinema, or does it come out the cow and that was the one that we got on like DVD way later? Oh, the Fincher one is the one was where it comes out the cow. I believe so. And that was the one in the cinema.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

No. No, that was the one on the I believe the dog was the one in the cinema. The movie that's why everyone thought it looked really silly. Yes. And the cow, it kind of makes more sense that it comes out something A bit bigger. A bit bigger, and I don't know, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

I can see why they went with the dog. I feel like the dog's more like emotionally like emotionally driven and also like a dog would go sniffing.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

You know what I mean? Like a dog would be like, what's all this? Yeah, you think. But a cow is also docile enough to just get it. Just like sit and take it. Yeah, yeah, this is true. And go.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Yeah. But I like the third. I I don't mind it either. I think there's I think there's a lot of good stuff in it. I think they just shot themselves in the foot. I don't know when they decided it, but when Newton uh where they weren't gonna be in it. Oh yeah, yeah. I think it I actually genuinely think if those two were in it and it was the exact same movie, people would probably think it's like the it was just the perfect end to the trilogy. Probably. And the prison's cool. Yeah. Like the idea of stripping all the weapons away and like an alien on a loose of a prison is really scary.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

It brings you back to that first one where there's one just one in the chase.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

I'm really inside the whole movie as well. Paul McGann's in it too. Yeah, there's loads of people in that. Yeah, they were really try-hard in it. It's like a s it's just kind of a bit sad almost that it didn't quite land. Yeah, it just doesn't quite work.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

I mean, luckily Fincher got over it. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. Comebacks was seven. It was his first movie. It was his first film, yeah. Damn. I mean, he had done a fuck ton of music videos. Yeah. Like he had done a lot of music videos, like, and a lot for like nine inch nails.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

So Yeah, you could they could see like the the horror trajectory almost. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

And you know, I think it's no surprise that what he got Nine Inch Nails to do some of the music for seven, and like obviously for Fire Club, he got it, and it's just sort of like, okay, yeah, that makes.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

Fire Club's usually like the Fincher movie that I think of. When someone says his name, it's just that I don't know why, but the cinematography in that movie is just like the one that seems to stand out to me for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

I see seven is for me, but I think it might be down to like the first one that you saw. You saw maybe.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Yeah, see, I saw Fight Club first. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

I might have seen Alien 3 first, but 7 was the one I think I was most aware of.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Actually, that's a really good point. I probably did see Alien 3 first, yeah. Because I watched them when I was like really little. I watched all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I wouldn't have known that was like David Fitcher film.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

But weirdly that I was like, oh, it's a Alien's James Cameron movie though. I like that was that was always like I guess because of that in Terminator 2. Yeah. Like when you're a kid, like they're the sort of like that that sci-fi standard.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

I would agree that like with Jurassic Park, I knew that that was a Spielberg film. Yeah, yeah. It's like I know Spielberg is I know what that is. Yeah, yeah. What about Alien 3? Who? It's a film.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like, you know, although the nowadays, now I'm like, do you know about Chuck Russell? No. Uh Chuck Russell, he did Nightmare Part 3. Oh yeah. Um, and The Blob and The Mask, which are like three of my all-time favourites. They're like they're like what I would consider like like top like five, ten corey movies, where it's like, I don't think they're necessarily like of the greatest quality ever. They just like my personality is from like I absorbed it into me when I was a kid. But he passed away, which was really good. Yeah, a couple of like I think it was like a couple of days ago, maybe like a week ago. But but I love all three of those movies. I didn't realise until he passed away that he did all three of those movies. And I was like, oh man, bro was the king of the blob, the mass.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

It is weird when you find out that that put like I liked loads of films when I was younger. I was into um like uh the the Trancer movies and Nemesis and Cyborg, which I got over there, and like Reanimator. I love Reanimator, and I love all of those movies, and then you find out that it's like, oh, it's Charles Bannes, Stuart Gordon, Brian Yusner, yeah, and uh Albert Pien, and it that was just those guys. And all of them were just those guys, all of them were those guys, and then you're just like, oh, oh, those guys are sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And don't worry, if you like this, there's a thousand more. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

There's nothing better than that when we finally discover like like it turns out it's like, oh wait, this same group made loads of things that I like. And it turns out they just made like a plethora. They just made everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just hear some reanimator love as well. I feel like that one, I feel like nowadays actually it's kind of I kind of has crawled out of like a cult sort of like it used to be super niche.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Super niche, but now I think Stuart Gordon, because he also did like From Beyond, didn't he? Yes. Like, I feel like he's gotten that next level. Yes. Like his films are now considered like, well, they're the best of that, so we'll refer to his work well. Yes. Like whereas like Albert Pien still doesn't well, he passed, but like they still don't talk about Albert Pien's work in the same way.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Not in like not in like a hot like a like a regard that it needs to be.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yeah, and it's like, no, you should, because he did some bangers.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so many directors like that, like that just kind of go, like, like, for example, like not in like is a bad, but you hadn't heard about Chuck Russell passing away. Yeah. But if Steven Spielberg died right now, we'd all know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, but everybody I know has probably seen the mask. Yeah. And like most people I'd speak to would probably say Nightmare One or Three is their favourite. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. You know, and have you ever seen the blob remake? I don't think I have seen the blob remake. Oh, you have to borrow it from me. They never released it over here, but you've got a regional three player, so it's fine. So that's one for great effects. I I'd actually argue that the effects are as good as the thing in the blob. They are absolutely insane. The rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

I mean the the the the shells behind you, you can see. I'm not always that worried about the report.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

So you'll probably love it then, because it's it's just like it's practical effect heaven. That's what the movie is. This is a mate and it's got um a really young what's the uh woman in Saw who plays Amanda. Um, what's her name? That's gonna that's gonna annoy me.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

That's yeah. And what uh what's worse is that that's the only franchise I have nothing of. I like I like the films. Yeah I really do. I like I like the first two. Like, and then I'm a bit like if you put on any of the others, I won't know which one it is. Yeah, that's where I'm at as well. Yeah. I don't have any of the Saw films, so I can't even be like, ah, let's have a look.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

Yeah, yeah. Reason is there a reason for that, or you just haven't picked them up yet? It's because they keep making them, you want to book a box of them. No, no, I definitely don't care about the box.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Like my buddy Sam loves them. Yeah. And like he swears by them, he thinks that they're like he has them all, and he's like, Yeah, you've met you've met Sam. He's got uh he's a big Halloween fan. Oh, okay, yeah, so he's probably like whenever we've talked about like uh like the steel books, he like of a new release of the Halloween things, he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna have to pre-order all of those, and like he has to have every version of Halloween. Ever, yeah, yeah. His Jurassic Park, like his Halloween and Jurassic Park are like his two big films, and he has everything for Jurassic Park, and he like is close to doing that with Halloween. Yeah, awesome. But um Sorry, I think would be his next one down, where he's like, I have them all on Steelbook, and I have them all like when they go into Blu-ray or something. Okay, I got them, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

I got the special editions of them, yeah. I got the the spin, you're just in the spinny gear versions, yeah. Like those.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

And that's the thing, like he will have done all of that, so I would have just gone like, ah, cool. Yeah, I'll borrow them off you. I was gonna say, yeah, literally, oh you got sore, I just yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, like I only just want to watch them, I don't care for them. A bit like the paranormal activities, like oh yeah, those movies I think are trash for me. I don't mind the first one.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Yeah, it's a cool, like gimmicky, like yeah, yeah. And I can see the CCTV thing at the time, you know, I it was like I didn't watch it when it came out, so I can I sort of have to look at it through that lens and be like, oh, I bet that made it really real.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah, it was terrifying. When I first saw it, it was like when it first came out, it was terrifying until the cloven hooves thing, and I was like, get off. Yeah, that's not scary, mate. Um, but the whole thing of like the CCTV and the banging downstairs and everyone running around, terrifying. Yeah, like really well done. And when you look at it from a filmmaker's perspective, it's the most like profitable Yeah, that that low budget to make to be putting it in the cinemas and everybody knows it.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

That like sort of dream.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

What was it made for like 24 grand or something? Basically nothing. Nothing for it, and it's it's the most profitable, although it's not in the billions of. It's not like the highest grossing, but it is the most profitable, and it's like that and Blair Witch.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

Like, did did you see speaking about paranormal just while I'm on it really quickly, did you see the stage show they're doing at the moment, which is actually like really impressive? It's like a it's paranormal activity basically on like Broadway, but it's like a whole house set, so each room you can see, it's like you know, like a doll house. Yeah, so and each room has like stuff going on and like the ghosties appearing in like one room and so and that's like their CCTV, which I just thought was like super impressive. Yeah, that is decent. But like that's paranormal, like paranormal activity, just like I thought what they're on like eight now, seven?

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah, like that would that would just be and I don't know where they're going. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't I don't quite like saw it's kind of like okay, we're just changing up and we're doing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

You can change the killer, you can rotate and but always have the traps and stuff, but there's no like there's no like one bad guy in paranormal activity, it's just sort of like I did see uh Ghost Stories, the play.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Oh do you ever see that?

SPEAKER_03 13:09

No, is it like MR James Ghost Stories or something? Is it or no? It's um but good good shout, huh? I wish I wish it was. Yeah, that'd be sick. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Talk about him forever. Sick. My guy. Definitely Together on that one. MR. James is the tit.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Yeah, that's uh thank the Lord somebody else knows. Certain people in my work will be like, oh, you know, you ever seen like, you know, A View from a Hill? Have you ever read that? And they'll be like, read what?

SPEAKER_01 13:34

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, come on, you must have seen come on, I'll whistle to you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

No, it's like I'll be like, you know, oh that's a that's a warning to the curious, and then yeah, they'll be like, What? Yeah, no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

The amount of times I've like tried to explain like the mesitant to people.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

Oh that's like when I was doing this in the shop yesterday. I was basically talking about I just really wasn't painting and it moves when he's looking at it, it's like crawling across the floor.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

And then people are just like, Are you what what word are you trying to say? I'm like, no, mesitant is the word. And they're like, Are you sure? And I'm like, wait, you don't know what I'm talking about. You can't be correcting me on a word that you have no idea what it means. Like, I've read the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, fucking joke.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Um but no, Ghost Stories is the Andy Nyman um who does Darren Brown stuff with him.

SPEAKER_03 14:17

Oh, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

And like it's not Pemberton, but like some of those, like the Steve Pemberton uh that lot.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

And it was this stage production about paranormal activities that happen, and then the lecturer does three examples of like what the person thought they saw, and it's a stage production, and it was fucking terrifying. Awesome. It was sick, and they all tie up for an end thing, which is really nice. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah, it's really decent. I I think it's a touring production at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah, yeah, I'll have to keep my that sounds like my cup of tea more than fairly sure it was at Shrewsbury like last year.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Oh, no way. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, of course it was last year, yeah. But yeah, like I went to see it years ago, and then they did a film of it, and the film's alright, but obviously try and get it as the stage production because the stage production was fucking terrifying. Yeah, yeah. And it's so weird to be f afraid in real life.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

It's so much different, isn't it? It's so much different. It's like, oh I'm scared. Yeah, freaking out, but yeah, I don't like this. Like I like it's like those classics or I like Phantom of the Opera and all that just laughs and so many, like the Chandler, you know. I mean, everybody's like, even if you've seen it like ten times before, it's like it's gonna fall this time, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Yeah, I love it all that shit. Um but yeah, I think like horrors are always you know the go-to because horror always has that element of it could do anything, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Like, yeah, that's why they're always my favourite as a kid. And I feel like that like that's there's always that like there's always like the you have to you have to like beat your mind to put it on when you're a kid. Like, you know, like that's scared as a kid. I miss that feeling of like being scared to when you're when it's on, it's my before you put it on. You know what I mean? Am I gonna be all right?

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Am I gonna be around? Yeah, yeah, it's gonna really freak you out. It's gonna ruin me all night. I miss that feeling. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

You know, or my you know, even though oh am I gonna watch this and I'm gonna tell my mum and dad they're gonna tell me off because I shouldn't have seen it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Now I've got to find films that are like um oh, what's the f like there's that horrible is it Lucifer Valentine's films? Or Valentine and Lucifer, I don't know, but it's like vomit murder dolls or something, and they're and they're just like gore porn horror, OTT, like yeah, like lots of like just throwing up and like weird pus stuff, and you're just like I don't want to watch that, but I feel like that's the only thing that would trigger the same sort of like Yeah, yeah, you've got to be in a like cannibal, like what's it cannibal holocaust or something?

SPEAKER_03 16:40

You know it's almost gotta be like it's almost like getting that almost step to go and or like you know, meant faces of death, you know what I mean? It's like oh maybe I shouldn't I've been watching this.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yeah, whereas before it was like, Oh, should I watch Halloween? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should I watch Exodus?

SPEAKER_03 16:53

Yeah, yeah. Is it gonna be too scary for me?

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Is it gonna be too much for me? Yeah. Whereas I I think the last film that actually made me jump was Smile 2. Really? That's what those two movies are actually okay. Smile 2 is really good. Yeah, Smile 1's good, but 2 is really good.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Really interestingly, I have like it's I have like a weird opinion, maybe weird opinion on those movies, but like I actually I actually prefer the first one, but I think I actually think all the ideas in the second one are better. It's just I think the first the first one is a more basic idea, but I actually f I f I don't know what I find its execution a bit more like streamlined, a bit tighter.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Yeah, yeah. So if I remember correctly, the second one was the one he wanted to make. I see. So then he couldn't get it, so he wanted to do a proof of concept, so he did a short, I believe. The short got picked up, but then they were like, but we won't give you the money for the scope for two, so you can do like oh your short film, but an hour and a half. But an hour and a half, and then when that got like the traction, they were like, Here you go, you can have it. And I think that's happened to Gareth Edwards on the Raid films. Yeah, like Raid Two was the film he wanted to make.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Yeah, that's insane. I love those movies, by the way. The Raid, they're just awesome. They're just awesome. Also, another movie that we've mentioned, like Return of Love Dead, where they just happen to use the like exact same cast again, playing different characters, and it's just really funny.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah, and we're like, are we gonna be we're fine with that? Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Oh sure, let's just write you will just presume that everybody's just gonna like not gonna care. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

If you if you're worrying about that, you're worried about the wrong thing. Too much, yeah. But I um talking about people that I've interviewed, I've interviewed Gareth Edwards and Ico Uace from the raid. So they were they were really it's really weird that it's a like a Welsh guy from Glamorgan directed those films.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

That's very strange. Yeah, that's like it's always awesome though to hear those close-to-home stories, though. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's just like oh we can't get there if we want to. Like people around us are doing it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Like, fucking I know Lol Crawley doesn't live in Shrewsbury anymore, and he was only born in Shrewsbury and then lived in Paris. But like he won the Oscar last year for best cinematography.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Like the guy from Shrewsbury. Was he the did he do the um for um for Inception and stuff as well? Cinematography, or was that not him? That'd be Wally Pfister. What did this do?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Lol Crawley did uh Brutalist and then um Is it Vox Latana? The Oh yeah. That one, Four Lions. Four Lions, yeah, yeah. He did Lotus A and I don't think it's speaking out. I think it's public knowledge. He's doing Damien Chiselle's next film. That's awesome. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Yeah, yeah. So he's definitely so he's got his like you know, but it that's but being born here, it's like the same as like that Daniel Craig thing, isn't it? It was like like he's Chester, isn't he? Yeah, he's like really close. I think his dad lives here. I think that's like the the rumour I always hear anyway.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Like Tony Blair's dad lived in Shawbury. Really? And you're like, so does that mean Tony I think this was like while Tony Blair was like PM? It's like, does that mean Tony Blair could just be in Shrewsbury at some time? Like that's weird. It's just weird to think about it. I don't know if I want that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then again, was it Shrewbury used to have something like two-thirds of Britain's Apaches at one point? So what a collection. What a collection. Yeah, but like I think that meant that on terrorist like hotspots in the UK, Shawbury RAF was really high up. Because of the Apaches.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

Oh wow, yeah, because it's just like a million helicopters, they just got like I lived in Shawbury at the time and it was like, nuh uh. Yeah, I don't want that. I have to worry about all the Apache helicopters being attacked. Blown up? Come on!

SPEAKER_01 20:19

So random, but it is stupid. But I was gonna segue, but I'm gonna take my coffee first.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

No, no, I will I did actually uh my I'll take some my drink as well, actually. In Unison sitting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

But yeah. Is your uh girlfriend what's your girlfriend's name?

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Uh Bernadette.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Bernadette. Does Bernadette is she a film film gal?

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Um yeah, she likes 80s movies, but she likes eight. She's I'm the horror, she's the action. She's she's the Stallone, the the Schwarzenegger, the all of those type of guys. That that's her cup of tea. Mad Max.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

She's Hungarian. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Do they have much of an action?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Um not really. That to be so because before the in it's like I think it was like the mid-80s, you'll shoot me for not knowing the exact year, but like they were uh communist led, so they just had none of that for years.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

I guess there's a lot of when the full wall fell.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Yeah, that's a exactly yeah, so it's all it's all come in like through recent years.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Also, I imagine it's I it's the same reason why like the Transformers films do well in China is because it's like what they're seeing hasn't it's not Western culture and it's not I know action movies are a bit, but like when you watch an action movie, you're not watching it for the dialogue.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

So you can watch the guns, the explosions. A Chucky Chan film, you don't need the subtitles on. And that's why they do so well over here.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

And like in America, it's not about because it's like it's like the the it's almost like dancing in a sense, like the fighting the fighting try tells you what you need to know rather than rather than the dialogue. Well that's why Bollywood films, like Have you seen Triple R?

SPEAKER_00 21:53

I love Triple R.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

Wasn't it amazing? I literally watched it. I was like, someone was telling me, it was like, oh, it's a Bollywood movie, and but I was and I was like, Oh, I've never really watched it. Watched one before, so I'd give it a crack and we watched it, and I was like, this is like one of the most badass three hours of my life. Yeah, it was like it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Three hours though. That's the problem with a lot of them. No. Kill is an Indian film that came out a couple of years ago. And that's not as long, but it also did two things that I was not expecting. I'm not gonna tell you what one of them was, okay. But it happened at about halfway through to the point where you were like, Oh. Really? Yeah. You're gonna do that? Okay, that's bold. And then the other one was um the film might have been on for maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes. Yeah. And then the uh name credit came up.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

What after like a half an hour in?

SPEAKER_01 22:45

We were in, you know what I mean? Like you'd gone past that point where you're like, oh, and now there are movies that have done that.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

I'm trying to think off the top of my head, there's a couple movies that have done, like, they dropped the name title like half an hour in or something.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

This felt this felt wrong. Yeah, you noticed then was put that in at the wrong point because we are you shouldn't have shown me that right now. You know that took you out of it. Kind of. Yeah, you were just like, oh, I'm watching a film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was alright. Um but yeah, like Triple R was sick. Uh there was a Captain Miller, that was another good one. Um Babby Wally, that's another good one. They do they do action films, great. But they do them you instead of action dance like action dance story repeated. Yeah, yeah. And what it is is that like the reason the stories are so like sprawling and there's a dance number in an action piece, is because you're not as a viewer, as a viewer in an Indian cinema, you're not expected to watch the whole thing. Oh, really? You're meant to go. I say you're not meant to, like, it is expected that you'll be like, I have an hour, I'm gonna go watch whatever's on, and I will get an action sequence, I will get a dance sequence, and I'll get a little bit of romance, yeah, and then I'll fuck off.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

I see, yeah. So it's way more to like that's strange. But I get it though.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

I love the idea of it, is that like I've got half an hour to kill, what should I do?

SPEAKER_03 24:04

It's like oh like this one I know what when I go into this, no matter what time I go in, I will be entertained. I will get my three, I will get my three big bits, I'll get a dance, I'll get an action, and I'll get a romance. Like it's kind of awesome, it kind of makes sense to me, like in a way to entice people to the cinema. And it's a movie, then you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

It's not like you're getting like a piece of it it's slightly like theatre, it's you know, it's a an amusement ride.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

Yeah, you're getting ride is that exactly sort of the the sort of uh synonym that I was thinking of. Like that that makes sense to me, like at like the sort of you just go in and experience the emotions. It's not really about attaching yourself to the film, it's just experiencing what's on screen, and that's it. When you walk out, it's sort of over.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Yeah, yeah. Which I I I think I don't think there's any wrong, anything wrong with like that fast food element of film where it's offering you nothing nutritional, you're just going to enjoy it for the moment that you're eating.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Yeah, I mean, is that as soon as it's done this rule in the cinema at the moment, right? I mean, is that not what like half of the superhero movies ever have?

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Yeah, 90% of and like I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think much like fast food, it's when you eat too much of it, it's a treat you should be having. It's not a treat, but you know what I mean? Like you should treat it like a treat, you shouldn't be eating it every meal. Yeah. So right, yeah, it's a great. If you're getting it every meal, you are just a bit like this is tasteless and bland, I don't want any of it. And it's like, yeah, because you're getting too much of it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

It's like it's like trying to eat in a Big Mac every day. It's like, you know, you get like you know what I mean. Once you get three days in, it's just like my god. The joy of this is no longer around.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah, yeah, it's a chore to watch it rather than a And that's all the Marvel films for sure. Yeah, totally. Which is a shame because I loved them when they first like when they were first popping off. Like like when we're talking like Iron Man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was working at the cinema when Iron Man was. Oh no, wait, which one? Same one as you, baby. Cinewall choose me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, awesome. That's way out. That's cool. You've worked uh at cinema, you've worked uh HMV, you work now at Megastore, and you're a musician. Yeah. Um film has obviously been.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

So film film was film was my film was my first love. Like film was my first love. That's why I started with cinema. Film was film was it's it's funny. I I'm a more of a musician by fate rather than Yeah, by trade. Yeah, kind of, to be honest. Like I've I feel like I'm better at music and put like music performance, but my heart, my true heart is in in film. Did you never think of like doing film? I did. I did do film at college, um, but it was COVID, so it was rubbish. And we had to like make everything ourselves and do nothing as a team. And like I missed all my film exams, they were just done off like the wood. It was just so all my uh all of our film trips to film sets and stuff all got canned. Like, we were supposed to go to New York. I think I think around the time it probably would have been like John Wick or something. Yeah, with the set we would have been on. Something like it was usually like some high action movie, you know what I mean. Um, missed all of that. Um I did make some Halloween fan fan films in like 2018, 2019. Still got them? Oh, yeah, they're on YouTube. I'll I'll have to throw them to you. I'll I'll I'll definitely throw them in there. Yeah, yourselves in the the first two. Um I'm Michael in the first one, and then I'm Michael and somebody else in the second one. But it was just me and my mate, and we literally we filmed them all, propped them all. Uh literally, we found like an abandoned house, that she just broke in, filmed inside there, you know, classic like gorilla filmmaking sort of thing. And I loved it. It was my and I I loved all the process. I love filming it, I loved like well, I loved like planning it, I love filming it, and I love editing stuff. I love editing the film together, is like where it really truly comes to me. I love like adding stupid, it's night time, so I love adding a bit of crickets in the background, you know. You know what I mean? No, no, totally ambient wind in the background, like that type of shit is like my favourite.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

To me, like editing is always the bit where like they they always say like the film is made three times.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

I was right, that's literally I was just like, should I say it or am I gonna find like a pretentious brain?

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Say it and just accept the consequences, but like um, like but whenever I edit, like I I will always edit I shouldn't I probably shouldn't say it, but I'll always offer a free edit to a mate. Yeah I mean because to me I'm always like oh I'll edit that for you because I love editing. It's so much fun. Like that's where the fun is for me. So when whenever anyone's sort of like, do you mind doing this? I'm like, shooting it for you. I'll shoot it. Filming it. I don't mind, yeah, I'll do that. And they're like, Would you edit for me? It's like, yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah, okay. No, no worries. When? Yeah. Yeah. Send it to me now, I'll do it right now.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

And I I love watching, like, I'd I could I'd love watching the different takes and choosing the best one and you know, all that type of stuff. Like the and like I was saying.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

And when you see like something at the beginning of a first take and something at the end of a third take, and you're like, right, how can I? I'm gonna have to use both of those. So what can I do? Where's a good cut? Do I have a reaction somewhere else that I can slot in and then it's two, and I love finding like oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Like a like a beautiful transition, like in between. It's just like amazing. Like this, the like, oh I absolutely love it. Like, and I love like this sounds kind of funny, but I love like stealing editing techniques from films that I've watched recently as well. Like uh I think it was like 2018 we made our first Halloween film. It was before the 40th one was coming out. I was like, oh we I was like I'm already, I was like, we gotta jump on it. Um but I think I'd just seen Hereditary. So we do this really awesome like match shot where it's like it's like him, he's like in the chair, like looking at um looking at the computer desk, like looking outside and stuff, and he falls asleep in the chair and it just goes like boom, and you get the the match the cut to night time shot, and I just like stole it straight from Hereditary. But I loved matching it and making it and being like, yeah, like just like the movie that I watched, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

I love it though, and I think that's always like the most fun if you are like uh sort of an up-and-coming filmmaker, or even to any fucking filmmaker, fuck it. Yeah, yeah. Like just being like, oh, I like that shot, and then just trying to make that shot. Yeah, and then being like, Why the fuck can't I get the lighting right? Why the fuck can't I get the editing right?

SPEAKER_03 29:58

That's why Halloween is my favourite movie. That's that's I think that's why it takes the cake out of there's so many movies that I could maybe throw up to the top, but I think at the end of the day, because it's so it just that it hits when I was a kid and I watched it, I just watched and I was like, I could make that whole movie myself, like, and there's something about that that inspiration. There's something like that's the scariest and most atmospheric, and the music's awesome, and it's made, and he did like one guy did three like wrote it, directed it, and scored it. Yeah, and I was like, that's amazing. I was just like, you know, and you can make like literally, and it's a guy in some literally two dollar store mask chasing a bunch of girls around. Like it literally sounds like the tackiest like movie ever made.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

It could have gone so horribly wrong. Yeah, yeah, it could have been so bad. Like, obviously, now when you look at it, like, yeah, but you got Jamie Lee Curtis. It's like, yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis was the Po babe. Yeah, genuinely. It wasn't like you were going like, oh, the kid of. Well then she's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be like, okay, there's a kid of, that's probably gonna help us sell the fucking.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

Yeah, we'll give it a go. Yeah, we'll give you a couple extra to put Donald Pleasance in it, so because we need someone to sell the screen.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

You need some name in there, yeah. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh no, hold on. We're going places with this. This is a thing. This isn't nonsense, this is a thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

Yeah, yeah. And now it's like, you know, the movie is almost synonymous with the holiday. Like they almost they just come hand in hand. And like they captured, like to cap to capture an atmosphere on camera, it was just like so inspiring to me.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

And it's the most autumnal feeling film that was made in you know the summer. Yeah, like whenever I feel because I watch films uh seasonally, like I'm exactly the same.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

You can't watch Home Alone 2 if it's not December. Not going. Yeah, yeah, you can't, yeah, 100%. Not a lunatic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Viva Vendetta only on Bonfire Night.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Jaws is getting to its end of its run for me. I can't watch Jaws after sort of August, September time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Yeah. Although like hilariously, like what probably that was probably my favourite like growing up movie. Um, but um hilarious I thought the fact was amazing when I was a kid that it came out on my birthday in the UK. But that was the 26th of December, 1975. And I was like, When the fuck was it released in Yeah? I was like, who and their right mind was like, oh, biggest, like that we've created the summer blockbuster, let's release it in Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

The fact that it did that and it still made the numbers like money, yeah. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

I mean, I think I think it went from like December and I think it was just out like all year until films did also stay in the world.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Like two years sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

You know what I mean? It's like Terminator 2 was in the cinema for like like a year and a half, two years or something, wasn't it? Like two years it had like a run. It's a good film.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Well, we we we keep skirting around these things, but maybe I should ask the first question. Oh, yeah, okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

What was the first film you saw at the cinema?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

The first film I saw at the cinema. Well, I'm gonna go with the first thing I remember seeing at the cinema. And this is kind of a hilarious story, but it's really randomly, it's Casino Royale. Okay. So when I was a kid, I just loved James Bond. I really liked Indiana Jones as well. Yeah. So um which is funny looking obviously at the backstory, and it's they basically watch James Bond and we're like, hey, I'm gonna make that. Let's do an American. Yeah, let's put a hymn in a fedora with away. Um so but um a massive, massive James Bond fan. So it came out, I was it came out um I think late, I think it might have come out around like set November time, Casino Royale. So I saw it just after my I think it was like my four, two, six, so I think I would have been like just turning four. Um but I was like huge into James Bond, a huge. I loved ran I had from Russia with Love on the PS2, and I absolutely loved playing that, and like that that that game like cemented is out of all the things, Sean Connery is like my favourite Bond because he came back and did the voice, which was like pretty unheard. It was the only thing he came out retirement for. Yeah. In his hot since he retired, he did that one thing. He was like, I'll be James Bond again, which is cool. Um but I absolutely loved it, and I remember going to watch it, and there were there were there were like two, three things that I remember watching in it, like really like it was yesterday. I remember watching the African Chase at the beginning and thinking it was the coolest shit I'd ever seen in my life. That bit where that that bit where he jumps from the crane to the crane and lands on it. Well running up the crane. Yeah, like that long shot of him running up. I was just like as a kid, I was like, like literally, yeah, that's it. Like it was like the craziest thing I'd ever seen. Um I remember as well watching now. I know that with the scene where he gets poisoned in the casino. But I remember as a kid watching it and being like, what the hell is going on? I didn't understand like what a poison was. I don't know. I couldn't like I didn't read into the line that the drink had like poisoned him. So I just remember watching it and he'd like runs the car and I was like, dude, and I just remember as a kid being like the martinis make you sick? And then he and I just remember just watching it being like kind of stressed out, being like, I don't get it. Yeah. Like I just really I really remember that. And then my last bit is I remembered right at the end when the James Bond theme played, and I was like, oh, it's cleaner. I was like, I just remember as a kid just being like the happiest when the when it the name's Bond. I still think that the theme smashes in. That might be my favorite. Cena Royale might be my favourite for Bond. I would argue I'd argue, I would maybe say it's the best one. My favourite will always be because of the PS2 game as well. But from Rushwood of Love, Sean Connery, I just that and it's like everything after Goldfinger is not it's not like a remake of Goldfinger, but Goldfinger created like this car this like this cutouts for like like the stage one, you need the Bond girl, you need the Aston, you need this, you need you need you know, you need the bad guy, you need whether from Rushwood and Doctor No is a bit almost doesn't have any of that. It's missing too much of it where it's almost just a bit of a it's kind of maybe controversial, but it's thingy it's a bit boring, yeah, to be honest, because for Doctor No, it doesn't quite actually know what the movie's trying to be. It doesn't know who James Bond is yet. Everybody's like kind of like like they're the what's it what's it called? When your teeth are grown through. Oh like baby teeth. Yeah, everyone's still kind of like like it's all still getting in and getting into shape and you know, yeah. It's all sort of like yeah, um there's a word for that, but I can't remember quite. Teething? Teething, yeah, it's in its teething process. Yeah. But then from Rush Wheel of Love, they sort of know who Bond is. Yeah. But it's still it's but it's not like a Bond trope movie, it's just a really good Bond espionage movie.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, um like Robert Shaw's really good in it, and like, yeah, he's amazing. Like some real good sort of like credibility to the scenes as well.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Yeah, the train fight sequence is awesome, and he is like sort of a cheesy, like future Bond villain, but he's not OTT. He's like an actual scary, real Russian assassin, which which I love. It's all believable because we haven't got so we haven't got missile cars yet, we haven't got like fly there. Isn't like crazy snow like the crazy in from um from Russia of Love Um, like I'm trying to think. Like, I don't think it even has an Aston Martin in it.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Like the cra the craziest bit probably is that train the train sequence at the end doesn't the plane almost hit him? The plane. Isn't there a plane that flies really low? The helicopter. Yeah, the helicopter's flying down. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, you're right. And he's like ducking under the thing.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

That bit's awesome, actually. Yeah, you got me there. That that bit's great. Um you've got like the woman bad guy in it as well, who's awesome with the the spike in the shoe. And she scared the life out of me when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

I wish I could like I don't know what the fuck I'd use a spike in the shoe for. Cutting an orange, man. It just feels badass. It feels badass to be able to like stamp your foot in a few. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

I thought out of everything in the whole uh James Bond franchise they could have chosen from the Monopoly set. One of the five like items you get with it is the shoe with the spike out, and I was just like, that's awesome. I was like, some somebody out there's also favourite is from Rush of Love. I was like, that makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Because you've you've you've realized like, oh, the boot is a playable piece normally.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Yeah, yeah. Ding little little now it's James Bond.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah, yeah. I guess is the top hat also a thing? Oh yeah, a top hat.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Oh yeah, the top hat, yeah. It's like the odd job, he's great. But he's goldfinger as well, right? Yeah, is he gold? Yeah, but gold goldfinger's that you got that's just like Aston Moton DB5, you've got Pussy Galore, no Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

I do think like Goldfinger does sort of like it is the if you if there was one Bond film, that's the one that it's like, oh it's that one.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Yeah, yeah, but that's like that Casino Royale maybe being the best is like but with gold goldfinger. I'm always like, but that's like the Bond film that created when you think of a Bond film, yeah. Casino Royale doesn't actually really follow any of the what you think of what's gonna be in it. Whether like Goldfinger is like you just have it's just the gold the gold standard for the James Bond movies, I think. Every other movie afterwards is sort of like doing something from that movie, like it's sort of it's not a remake of that movie, but it's that no, but I know you mean it.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

It's very much like a formula which they're like, let's not deviate from this. Yeah, yeah, that it's a carry-on film, it's a police academy film.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Yeah, it's just like a perfect way of putting it. Yeah, that's a perfect way of putting it. It became like uh almost making the same thing again because that's what people wanted. And I can't blame them because it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

No, and like in the same way, I wouldn't blame them for any of the fucking Fridays or the Haddays or the Halloween. Yeah, exactly. I would say the Halloween's I think the Halloween's deviated the most from it. Because obviously three is six is like a pretty gothic horror, like four and five are like that's not Jamie Lee, that's a completely different thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

I uh can't Halloween four is like low-key my favourite like out of all of them, you know. I actually love that movie. Halloween one's the best one, and it will always be like my favourite film. But like if I had to pick a Halloween franchise favourite, it'd maybe be four. I love that movie to bits.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Three? Three's for me.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

Wow, really? I just like I watched it recently and I don't realise how much of a scumbag that the main character is. Well Tom Akinson, yeah. Yeah, he's like like running off with his like he's like sleeps with this girl. How old are you again? And then he's like ringing his wife like with a six pack of beers on the foot. I'm I'm leaving. And I love him.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

But I think that's why I really like like if you didn't call that film Halloween 3.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

If it was called John Carpenter's Season of the Witch, it'd probably be you're held up there with the fog and um uh Prince of Darkness. It would at least be with like Prince of Darkness. Yeah. But it sits below all of them to most people. But it's but I um have you seen Prince of Darkness? Yeah, I love that movie. That's like a super underrated Carpenter movie, but I wouldn't say Prince of Darkness is necessarily like a million times better than Halloween three.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

No, I'd rather watch Halloween three.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

Yeah, yeah, you think you'd rather watch Halloween three? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Um it's a bold thing to say.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I'm saying it. But Halloween and like um, you know, Dean Cundy's back for Halloween three, it's got amazing cinematography in it. That shot of the three truck-or treaters in front of the sun, like come on. Who knows? Um the mask, great, the commercial's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

I think I always love the idea of a dodgy, like science lab. Yeah, there's something about that, even like as a kid, like the whole uh like honey I blew up the kids or like honey I shrunk the baby or whatever, like honey, I think I shrunk myself.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Like the lab upstairs.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

It's the idea of a lab. Yeah. Going to a lab. And there's like in Shrewsbury, there's a is it Plum Line?

SPEAKER_03 40:24

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

You know, the like the the there's it's a white building with that that black semicircle staircase at the front. When we first moved to this town, I looked at that and I was like, oh shit, but it's a science lab. Yeah, if this was a movie, that's where the outbreak's happening. Yeah, yeah. And I love that. The T-virus building right there, yeah. And I've never been in it, I have never had any reason to go near it, but I've thought, like, oh, if I ever made a film that I was gonna say, it's that filmmaker blood that you've got. Yeah, it's like that's the That's the one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

That is where people are going in. I love that too. Like, I love the factory, the the story, the masks is a great thing. So I like the idea of masks being sent out and then like the commercial to get the kids. And it's all and and like the which I also like about the first Halloween, which I think is why I like the fourth one a lot as well, which the other one sort of misses that Michael Myers is like the babysitter, but that like the children are in danger. Yeah. Like, and that's one thing that the first movie I think is a massive strength. You got Tommy and Lindsay, like they're in danger from Michael Myers.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Well, like I remember the first time I watched Assault in Precinct 13, I was really shocked that the little girl gets shot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I remember seeing that and being like, Oh, you can't kill kids.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Yeah, especially back then. I mean, it's sort of become the trope to have in your intro sequence of a movie now. I feel like especially since like it did it for again for 20 seven it 2017 when they had the Georgie scene. I feel like like since then it's been like that, a quiet place. Like even the X-Files reboot had it like kill a kid right off the bat, and everyone's everyone's surreal. Yeah, exactly. It's like it's a really they but and that's kind of like lost it, you know, almost like up speaking of um the blob remake, which you haven't seen, there's like I mean, spoiler, maybe um Tell me. Yeah, but there's a really awesome practical effect in that, but like there's a whole chase sequence that um I'll add it.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Shawnee? Is that her name? Saw the woman, Amanda, Shawnee, Shawnee, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

But her she's um helping these two kids escape. You've seen the original blob. Yeah, so you know the cinema sequence where they you know the blob comes out the projectile awesome stuff. Um they end up escaping through the sewer system, and the blob is like underneath the water, and the water's like flaying up and they're running after it. Shawnee, it is Shawnee, yeah, Shawnee Smith. Um, and it put and the and one of the kids goes underneath and they start climbing a ladder and they sort of turn around and like, oh, put out your hand, and the kid comes out half like melted by the blob. Yeah, reaching out the water, yeah. And it's only for like five seconds, and then went back in and it like terrified the life out of me when I was a kid. Like, like I was just like, oh boy, the kid died.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Shit.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

Yeah, it was like I was like I'm not safe. That's the darkest thing ever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's I think maybe where like why I think Halloween sent tends to stick in a lot of kids' minds, is because like you get like you know, Tommy looking out the window and seeing Michael on the other side. But yeah, Lindsay's watching the movie and Michael's in the back.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

It's the same like with Spielberg doing everything from a kid's perspective, like John did it from a kid's perspective, but like in such a good way that it was like, Oh yeah, that's what it's like to be afraid as a kid. Yes. You know? Yes. Stevens is always like excited as a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

Spielberg's like that children's imagination, whether, like, yeah, is that is that like children's fear of the unknown, like that set like that safety of being out, like what's going on outside our house.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Also, like, you don't want to read into it too much with those things, like when you because it was just a a Shatna mask painted white, but that sort of like it's a faceless man. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, it got it's just a bloke.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Yeah, and I think like the really awesome. I've got uh the Japanese poster, I've got like the so uh in Japan they do like the film uh guys and stuff, I've got the Halloween one. But Michael's actually drawn with the as a face on that, which is really interesting, I find. So, whoever watched it and did the poster took the mask as supposed to be him. And not and I thought that was a really intriguing like reading of the movie because the movie sort of does like obviously you get like the line oh he took a couple of Halloween masks and a knife and all that type uh from Sheriff Brackett, but it made me like that that that mask sort of does, but you know, the shape, like yeah, but that like he was saying, he does just look like a guy. It's not like Freddie, where he's like super disfigured or eating scary.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Freddie is Freddie.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

See Freddie, I see Freddie, that's that. Whereas if you see a guy in a blue boiler suit and just like I know it's a brilliant white face, but like just a face. Yeah, it's just that that sort of and being like anyone out the corner of your eye.

SPEAKER_03 44:34

Yeah, yeah, and it's like that that really like hometown suburban, like it's just just a guy, like really work. Yeah, yeah. Mechanic. That's just a mechanic. And the walk as well, like just walking. Being a making a guy a guy walking scary, and that is like from the view of a child, you know what I mean? Just a guy walking being scary. Just a guy walking and not stopping. Yeah, you know, that like the relentless eyes. Yeah, the blackest eyes. The devil's eyes. So good, so good. Oh that I mean, Donald Pleasance is a massive like uh bonus for that movie as well, though. Like, I've and that's another reason going back to Halloween 4, he's like hamming it up in that shit, like with all the burn. Do you know what day it is? Do you remember the day? Like, it's oh that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Have you seen him in Wake and Fright? No, he's really good. Oh, is he hamming it up in that too? Hamming up all he plays like a drunk, Aussie, Outback guy.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

That sounds awesome. That's that's just amazing. I'm what's it called?

SPEAKER_01 45:26

Wake and Fright. Wake and Fright.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

I must add that to my Donald Pleasant's always got room.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Arrow just released uh a lovely edition of it.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

I love Arrow. I love Arrow so much. Why although would they release the Halloween movies, please? Because they bought them and distributed them digitally and then haven't done any physical release of them, and it's frustrating me a little bit because I yeah, what is the UK equivalent?

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Is there none?

SPEAKER_03 45:45

We don't have a 4K here actually, Halloween. I don't think they I think they did Halloween one, 40th anniversary, they did a 4K, and then we we never got like a box set of the five. I think they use usually tend to get one, two, three, four, five together, and then six, seven, eight together. It's Miramax and uh Tranchus Universal, and they they all they all sort of agree with each other, whether Mirror Max I think is always the ones that are like no, we want more money. So they just were they they've never done it.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

We want more money for the three shittest ones.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Yeah, genuinely, genuinely. I'm a big uh hater of uh H2O actually. Yeah, I'm a big disliker of that movie. I don't think it gets anything about Michael Wright, and I think that Jamie's killing it, but it's a scream movie.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah, fair. Well, I think that's the thing. It's like Yeah, yeah, it's like it's trying to compete with the more modern stuff. It was the first one that I was aware of as a kid.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

That's fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

And I was too young to see it at the cinema, but I was old enough to see uh Retribution. Oh Resurrection. Resurrection. Yeah, oh god. That was the one I was the first motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

First one I started at the cinema. I was the first Michael Myers in the cinema. That that hurts. Oh but that sounds a lot though, that's like crazy because like that came out the year I was born. So like that's like that, isn't that like nuts? That was like the first Halloween you saw, and that I was I always felt cursed by that came out the year I was born. It's like my favourite franchise, and it's like I got the worst one. Hey, these things happen, these things happen. Yeah, it's just like damn you you bastards. Here's a crazy, crazy effect. Right. Do you like Halloween 2? I like Halloween 2. Did you know it was directed by the same guy that did Halloween Resurrection? Was it? Just Rick Rosenthal. Same guy did both of those movies. Isn't that crazy? Alright. Like what one's like a complete, like a really good attempt at recreating that that Dean Cundy, like a Halloween, like like John Carpenter feel, and the other is uh like this Two matches the theme. Yeah, two is like it seems like somebody made watched a Halloween movie before they made it.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

And thought, oh, let's make this again. Yeah, yeah, where the Halloween resurrection is like But did you know the same guy that did Casino Royale did Goldeneye?

SPEAKER_03 47:48

I found that out literally like uh we were talking about was it James Bond first light the game and some customer mentioned it to me and I was like wow, he was literally like I'm gonna about to make the I'm about to reinvent James Bond. You wanna see me do it again? Right?

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Like I I because I really like Golden Knight, it was the first one that I watched.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

I'm a massive, massive fan of Golden Knight.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Like that was the first Bond film when I was a kid for me. So to me, it was like, oh, that's what the Bond stuff is now. Like Pierce Brosnan's the guy, I like him, he's cool. Yeah, yeah. And then the thought of oh, we're gonna reboot it and we're gonna bring in, you know, a couple of characters that you already know, but it's a new Bond and it's a new world. Yeah. Well, who should we get to direct it? Same guy that did Goldeneye. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, really? Like you don't want to pick A new guy. A new guy? Fresh take, yeah, yeah. He did it well for that. Let's do it again. Yeah, but I love that they don't look like the same film whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

They don't look, they don't they don't look like they have anything to do with each other. No. Like they don't they don't it looks like the guy that makes Cine Royale didn't watch Goldeneye.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Yes. Specifically, like did you ever watch any of the Pierce Rosen ones? No. No, sir. Yeah, yeah. You could make a movie. Yeah, it generally. It's like Then again, he might not have.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

Yeah, he might have made it, yeah. It's quite it's crazy to me actually how many directors are like that. Yeah. That will film and think and then they won't watch the the finished product.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

Yeah. I think it's really disrespectful.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Actors not to watch their movie.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think anyone, if you worked in a film and you thought it was uh worth your time. Worth your time, you should watch the finished project. I respect it.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

Jesse Eisenberg's like that, isn't he? He's not he's a I've never watched any film that he's ever been in.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

So how can he ever improve on his performance?

SPEAKER_03 49:27

Yeah, exactly. That's how I'd be thinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

Whatever the last thing you made is, is currently your best work.

SPEAKER_03 49:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Right? Yeah. Obviously, you learn during the process so you can do better. Well, okay. Well, watch what you did. Where could you improve and progress? Unless you have no interest in progressing and you're just happy to get keep getting paid for the shtick.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Yeah, so would you say it would be maybe like an ego thing to not watch it? Yes. Yeah. I think it's 100% an ego thing. Yeah, and it's just like it's like I I've done my bit, like I don't need to like or I don't I don't I don't I have nothing to learn from it. Yeah. Like there's nothing I can gain out of what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Johnny Depp's thought process is like, I did my bit, it's not really any of my business what they do with my performance. And it's like Yeah. So he doesn't watch them either. No.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

Wow. That's that's a that surprises me actually as well. That surprises me a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

I wonder if that's something that's happened over age.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

Because I feel like Young Depp.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

He definitely would have watched Nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

That's the thing. Like I think even up to potentially Soyne Todd. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

But I I think there was just a point, rum diary onwards, where Yeah, he just sort of was just like when it just became it was a shame because I feel like that's where the line draws actually. Like, would you watch a film that you were in? I feel like that is almost like the line where it's like, am I doing it because it's a passion or am I doing it because it's a job?

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Did I do it purely for the money? Yeah. If I did, I don't need to see it. Yeah. Okay, I'll take it back. Take it all back. I'm not standing on anything I just said.

SPEAKER_03 50:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I guess there could be like a little bit of like a there could be a little bit also of like, oh I'm embarrassed to watch myself. Like maybe people are too harsh.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Maybe. I did a um a behind the scenes for something once, and I put an edit out, and uh the director of the thing that I shot watched it, and he said, Can we re-edit it? And I was like, Yeah, sure. I don't know what you want from it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

And essentially what he wanted was more he wanted to be seen as a bit funnier. So it was a bit annoying. Interesting. And at the end, like in the credits, I'd put, you know, written and like directed and edited by Ted Bennett, you know, as a thing. And then when he sat next to me and was like, do this, do this, do this, I took my name off it. He goes, like, you can put your name at the end, and I was like, No, no, no, it's not mine anymore. Like really? Yeah, like I didn't make this, you made this. Yeah, you but you I'd click the buttons for you, but you put this together. So and like I was I that is a thing where it's like I could get I wouldn't like So you wouldn't watch that? I wouldn't watch that, and I also don't reference it. It's not on a C V. I don't think I even have a copy of it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Yeah, yeah. See, that's interesting. So yeah, so there you go. So yeah, I completely I can't. Eat your own words in front of me. Yeah. God, I am such a hypocrite. Everyone was right about it. Yeah, spams are bitches.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

I'll go get a job at Tesco's or something.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Yeah, yeah, you're gonna go humble yourself as a film journalist. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

That's fine. Um so we've talked about a lot of the films that you watched as a kid, but what did you watch over and over again as a kid?

SPEAKER_03 52:36

Uh over and over again. Um I absolutely loved Drop Dead Fred. Have you ever seen this movie? Yes, I have. I absolutely adore that movie to bits and pieces. It was like my that was my comfort movie when I was it when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

It without Is this why you have your hair the way you have your hair?

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Uh like no, I actually like the thing is my hair is like crazy because I it's it's just funny because I don't think I could have ended up with hair that suited me anymore to my personality, but it's like completely just like there's just no other way I can have it. Right. Like I don't like it's not like like this is just how it sits. I've got a bit of hairspray in it, but like other than that, that that's just a bit of volume, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

My hair just grows like this. Like any you I trying to think of you with any other haircut would make me be like, no, you'd look odd.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

Yeah, like and everybody says that to me. Everyone's like, Corey, you but I was like, oh, I should get my haircut, I should do this, I should do that to it. And I'm like, nah, it's like your hair though, man. It's like it's like there's something it like entwined to your personality. It was like it it it looks like somebody drew you based off like what you like. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what I've been told. I was like so it looks like you look like somebody drew you over what you like in the world.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

My thing is uh, and it's especially it was in 28, it was Bone Temple.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Oh yeah, I haven't seen it yet. There's a scene.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Yeah, it's good. Yeah, there's a scene which involves Rafe Fine's mouthing to the song Number of the Beast.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

And when I watch that, I look at that as someone who goes like, oh, he doesn't like rock music because he's doing all the things that people who don't like rock music do when they think rock people like that music. I see, yeah. So it's all just like devil horns and like doing crazy eyes. Oh yellow, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, if you've been to any show, we're not doing that really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

I don't know, like it I there's always that thing of whenever you see uh the outside perspective of looking into what like a fan base is like when you're not a fan of it.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Like it's it's like you when everyone does a goth on film, you're like husband. It's always just like cringe, yeah. Yeah, it's like that's not what a goth actually looks like. Yeah, come on. And I think there is a very like with your look, there if someone you sometimes you there are people that you when you look at someone, you're like, you're doing that to get the attention. Yeah. Not with you, like with you, it is such a natural look that it's like, oh yeah, that's that's a guy that's doing his thing, and that's a really nice thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is nice when you see someone who's just doing their thing.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

I feel like you can you when you when like it's uh it's like you look at some people and you can see that when they're either in touch with themselves or they want to be something, then like you know what I mean? It's like that discrepancy. It's like is it are they they they're being true to their heart or not?

SPEAKER_01 55:28

That's the thing. And like for years, like don't get me wrong, for years I tried to find my look. The look, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then I found that my look is uh black jeans and a black t-shirt. And I was like, oh dope. But I'll work with it, that's really fucking easy. And like there was a period of time for maybe four or five years. It was black polo top, black jeans, DMs, oh yeah, and a car heart jacket, and I wore that every day. Yeah, yeah. And I just had like four or five of the polo, two pairs of jeans, seven pairs of pants and socks. Yeah, yeah. And that's I would just wear that. Have them on rotation. I'd just be like, all right, the shirt needs changing, pants and socks every day. God together with it. Same outfit though. Same outfit, like it doesn't matter, bosh. Yeah. And it was so easy, so nice. Yeah. But that thing of like finding the look and being like, I'm good with that look. Like, so now I'm good with that look. I'm not worried, I don't feel like I'm doing anything. Perfect, I'm just cracking on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that confidence of just being you gets to come out of it. Gets to grow.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's where I landed, because I think a lot some people do, uh like with uh like my clothes and stuff. So it's like funny to me because people are like some people I think that think I must spend like ages thinking about cultivating the look. Yeah, like picking outfits and stuff, and like all of it's just like shit I've bought on a whim just because I've been like, oh well, I'd wear that.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

But that's the thing, yeah. I'd wear that, and because that's the style, no matter what combination they go in, they're gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

Exactly, yeah, exactly. Everyone, yeah, exactly. The style, that's that's the way you're looking for, rather than like the you don't wanna like like I feel like that's when it gets sticky, like when because when a filmmaker directs, they're like, Oh, we need to do someone's goth. Yeah, being a goth is like designing a goth isn't designing a person. Designing a goth is like trying to design a like do you know what I mean? Yeah, if I know what you're saying, it's not quite designing a human person, it's like picking what a human person likes about that style. You know what I mean? It's strange.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

It's a difficult one to explain.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

I think it's you all know Costume departments are impressive. Costume parts are not. A good costume department is like a saviour.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

And I imagine it's the same, like if you're a car guy watching a car film and it's like you you're talking bollocks, that's not about fixing cars. Yeah. Or if you're like I had another like a builder, and you watch a film with builders in, and you notice that everyone's club building clothes are immaculately clean, you're like you're not pouring they've all got like clean hands. Lovely clean. Like I currently have paint on my hands.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

That's good. Our artist, our artist hands.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

Exactly. That's a good thing. Yeah. I got scared the other day because I had uh some brown paint on my finger. Yeah. And I went to pick up something from the shop and I saw the brown paint and I was like, ugh. I've got poo on me. I thought I was like, what the fuck's on me? And then Kirsty said, like, oh, I did the same thing for you earlier. I saw you pick something up and thought, fucking hell, what's coming out of that? Yeah. I was like, no, no, no, it's just paint, it's just brown paint. She was like, Yeah, yeah, I realize that because I don't think I've ever seen you with clean hands. And I was like, hey, okay. Me and my dad. Me and my dad have never had clean hands in our life.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

That's good. I'm the opposite. I'm like terrible for like I need to put more like that's how I think I like the music in the film because it's like clean. You know, I've always been terrible at painting. Oh my god, I'm so bad at drawing and painting and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

I've always like paint or like grease or something. There's always I've always got my hands in something. That's great, yeah. That is just like I did this, I uh I molded something in clay, and then you know, you wash your hands, that's fine. But then around the cucles, yeah. Up your hand, down your arm, and you're like, Oh yeah, I should wash that. And like you'll have a shower, but it's it's still there, it's still there, and like you know, I'll I do work on building sites every now and then for a buddy, and it's the same thing, you'll get a piece of silicon on you, like silicon thing, and you're just sort of like, Well, that's not coming. It's kind of stuck forever, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

It's like, I don't care. Um, the closest I ever got was sort of probably like I used to I I made I bought like fiberglass busts for like uh my masks, but I like I I gutted them out in the middle. I literally cut them all open and gutted them out so I could like fold the coveralls, wear it, and then put them in. Oh nice, yeah. So then if I want to wear it, I can ball it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but yeah, it's one thing that I definitely need to work on in the future. Like, I because I love practical effects to bits and pieces. I've got a friend in London, um, her name's um Nutch, and they do like visual effects. They do, they have like a uh they uh are a duo, a music duo uh called Beefcake. Um the uh one of the um one of them is called Dora, she does the music, but um my friend Nutch does the visual side, but she creates insane like sets, uh awesome like gory head pieces like for the video. Like she does all like the the visual aesthetic of the band, if that makes sense. But I'm always like super inspired by that. But I'm always like, where do I start? Where do I get the space? I gotta like commit to the mess. Yeah, like I can't, it's really hard for me to be like like I need to get out of that mindset where it's like we're filming stuff. Um and like I'm like, you know, I think the reason my music sort of ended up like I really liked film music, like obviously Danny Elfman's, like my my guy, you know. I mean that's that's the goal, really. Do the punk music, then do the movie music. That's like that's the best trajectory ever to me. Like I'm just so jelly of that. Um but then I definitely I I never did like the messy stuff when I was younger. Like the I was never I was never like a play-doh person, I was never like a sand castle person. Really? Yeah, yeah, I was always like a I was never like even like a Lego person.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Like I'd rather Because there was it was a mess, it was an organized mess that you had to like figure out and I'd rather go into the shop and they've I've they've got and say they've got a play set.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

Yeah, they've got Indiana Jones play set or they've got Lego Indiana Jones here. I'd want the play, I would like why would I not want Indiana Jones already built for me looking properly like Indiana Jones? Fair enough. When I could bought yeah, yeah, but now I look back and I'm like, I wish I'd probably chosen the Lego.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:11

You know, it's interesting there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

I know what you're saying, like, because there's plenty of things where I've looked back and been like, oh god, like I should have done that more. Yeah. And you're like, well, no, that that didn't interest you back then. Yeah. And the thing you learnt from that is now causing an interest over here. Whereas if you'd gone back and you'd done that, you would have lost the interest in this part. And maybe never regained it. You may have one regained it, or like if the building So we we we would play men when we were kids, and that was like your action figures and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, you're playing men. And uh we would get all the um the play sets or like the Ghostbuster house, and then we'd like throw webbing over it, yeah, and then you'd do it as if it was like a nighttime thing, that's awesome, and you're playing out the story, yeah, yeah. So that gives a a narrative, you're you're making a narrative.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

And that's where I used to come up with my figures. That's exactly it. It wasn't the putting it together, it was the story to tell.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

So if you had been the Lego, you would have been putting it together, but that's not creating the narrative, that's just putting it together. Yeah. So I think I think that they're both important sort of building blocks. Skills to nurture, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

Yeah, yeah. That's you know what that's actually a very inspiring way to put it, actually. That's sort of like putting it through a narrative. Because I feel like my like uh with my music and stuff, that's usually how I write them. They're usually always uh story first. They're like I usually write the lyrics, maybe they'll rhyme, maybe they won't, but like the lyrics come through as the story, and then it then transitions into, and then I give the the story to my uh band, and they'll create a sound that sort of matches the uh atmosphere of the story that I'm trying to tell.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

Which then gives the audience like the story. Like we're saying this sort of story. Yeah, they give it the feeling like this isn't just a fun, catchy hook with a big good chorus, which we're kind of just getting through the vera verse to get to the fun bit. Like, no, no, no, here's the story. Yeah, yeah. Like, get through this part, get through all of this, and then find out how it ends. Maybe you do a whole concept album where it's a whole thing. Exactly, you know, exactly 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:10

And that's why I feel like you know, like you're like the some like uh an alb an album, some of the best albums of all time, so like, you know, albums that are like story albums. I think like the cure, for example, like disintegration is like the breakup album, should we say? But like all of those songs almost hold a tandem into each other. Yeah, they're they're like they they almost they all beautifully segue, you know what I mean? They all mean different things to do with a breakup, let's say, or like loop uh like loss as more of a sort of whole, but they all have that same trajectory where they're trying to uh give you a narrative of of what each section of like loss is.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

Most of the early Beatles albums are I've got a girl that I don't like, I've met a girl and I think she's really cute, we're getting on really well, uh, it's not going as well as I thought. I've broken up with that girl. Oh, and by the way, I've met a girl I've really liked. Yeah, yeah. Like, there's about three or four albums in a row where that's just the whole thing. The whole every song. It's great fun. Yeah, it's great fun listening to like help as an album and being like, Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh you've met someone. Yeah, oh, it's all gonna be horrible, as it's like, yeah, yeah. Hey, but don't worry, he's met someone again. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, you know, like that I think that's a really important message to know when you're like, because if you've never gone through a heartbreak before, you take that first one as like, well, this is it, I'm gonna be sad for the rest of my life, right? Yeah, that's all I want. Everyone does it, right? Yeah, everyone does it. It's like I I messed up, like I fucked it up, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I remember I went through a breakup once, and um my boss at the time was just like, Go watch swingers, and I was like, I don't know, and he went, No, no, no, go watch swingers. And have you seen swingers? Yeah, yeah. It's that thing of like you you'll wait for them to phone you back, you'll wait for them to phone you back, you'll wait for them to phone you back, and then all of a sudden, they'll phone you back just when you want to phone someone else.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

I was literally just gonna say, Yeah, it's what it always happens, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:58

I love and it's I think like that's such a good thing, like being told that as a young person, like, yeah, yeah, it's gonna feel shit. Uh don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

I always tell that's what I always tell like my my uh friend was going through like his like first major breakup when I was trying to tell him I was like, man, it is the worst pain ever, but like what like it's crazy how much you want to speak to them now because the moment they want to speak to you, mate, you just will that you want anything more but to not speak to them. Yeah, it's always the like Sog's law. Like it's like I wish I could tell you how much you won't want to speak to later.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

Like you're you're gonna be so annoyed when they do message you.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

Yeah, you're gonna be like Yeah, you can be like, oh yeah, and like this again.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

I always feel I I I I feel bad saying it, but like that bit when they contact you, that's when I'm like, We're good now. Yeah, like I mean peace. I need that person to message me and me go, yeah, I'm alright. Yeah, and I'm like, oh thank fuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

Yeah, I and yeah, totally. I I couldn't agree more, and that's what we always gotta like prep the younger person for is that there's like there's there's there's the other side, yeah. Like you'll always like you're on the heartbreak side now, dude. But like you're they'll somebody else might you you're you're Probably break someone's heart at one point and you'll be on the other end. Yeah. Like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

And I think it's really important to have your heart broken. I think you need to have your heart broken. And I think when someone has that their heart broken, telling them, oh, it's shit. Yeah. Like, don't try and show Oh, it'll get better. No, no, no. No, no, it hurts and it'll be and you'll remember it for the rest of your life. That first one will always hurt the most. There'll be other relationships that are stronger. Yeah. But that first one.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

You might love more, but you might not hurt more than that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

Yeah, that first one fucking hurts. And I love that. Like, I I know you shouldn't love that, and all that kind of stuff, but it's I I love the heartbreak.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

It's kind of a beauty of being human though.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:39

Like I always say this to people, it's like if it didn't hurt so much, it means we didn't care so much, and the ability to care so much is so awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

But I and my dad said it to me once. He said, like, we're doing all of this for love, aren't we? Because if we're not, why the fuck are we doing it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

And it's like, ugh, thing for your dad to say. Yeah, like you write that down. Maybe. Yeah. He says a lot of things. Dad of wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

What did you answer for the film that you watched over and over again?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:04

Oh, it dropped Dead Fred, and then we got so sidelined by my hair. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

So why Drop Dead Fred? Why did you watch that over again?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

Drop Dead Fred. Um, I think it's uh it's a it's a cumber film. So later on in my life I found out that my dad's like hero was Rick Mail, which is kind of funny. So I think that's maybe why because he probably reminded me of my dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Oh Kevin.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:24

Yeah, like just because of the thing. Like my dad used to watch, he used to I've actually they're actually hilarious, like genuinely, even now. I I would recommend it. Um Rick Mailing reading like revolting nursery stories. Yes. Um, and honestly, they're hilarious. The way he describes it, it's so adult, like it's so funny. Like he's just like I love Rick Mail. Yeah, he's just like the like God bless his soul. Like the world I was so sad. The world is just not as funny when he's that now that he's gone. Like it's just like there's an aura missing. Like there's there's uh not taking everything so seriously. I feel like genuinely since he died, everything's been so serious. Everyone's just taking it too seriously.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:56

Yeah, honestly, like when I was a kid, uh my best mate when I was really young was a guy called Richard. So Richard and Eddie from bottom. Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, yeah, that that type of and well like with Rick May on the TV, like he's so, he's so like it is that sort of like pick your nose, like, like part in like it's gross, but it's it's childish, but it's very adult. Yeah, it's like it's that fine balance in between like like I it's it's such a It's why I like men behaving badly as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:28

Because it's like, oh, there's such a I I know that there was a whole thing about being a bloke in the 90s was really difficult because blokes were always expected to be blokes, like men blokes, bloody blokes.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

Yeah, yeah, you're right, governor, like Governor bloke, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:44

And then from the 90s, there was that whole joke about being like metrosexual and like having a bloke be understanding about like fashion and like you well, that was more noughties, so you know your David Beckham's in there. Yeah. But there was that 10-year transition where blokes wanted to be softer, but they weren't allowed to be softer.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:03

So you sort of that's why you sort which is why you sort of get your nirvana coming out in the middle, which is like, look at us singing really hardcore rock, well not hardcore rock, not hardcore, but like here's us being angry and sham, but what they're singing about are actually like soft topics, and like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

And that's the thing, it's like we can't we can't do soft, we have to be hard and angry, but actually we're quite so Elliot Smith seems to be allowed to like be sad, yeah. So why can't we? Yeah, and then I think that then translates into like the British version of it where it's that comedy thing of like actually we are just overgrown boys, aren't we? Yeah, we're not adults, we're just overgrown boys, like their generation, like dad went to the war, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

And that and like going to war is what made to what stop them stopped them from being a boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

They weren't 16 the second they went off to war. Yeah, and they didn't come back 16 either, they lost all of those years, yeah. So they had to be fully grown adults from the moment they left. Whereas that next generation, luckily enough, didn't have to. Yeah. But that means by the time they got to nine the nineties, they were like, Yeah. I'm I'm still just a silly boy. What are you on about? Yeah, yeah. And that's only gotten worse. Like, my lot are just silly.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

Like with my lot and with the internet now and stuff. It's just like dangerous territories, yeah. Yeah, it is dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

So was it your dad that introduced you to Drop Dead Fred?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:24

It was, yes. Yeah, we had it on video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was at my nan's house actually. So whenever we went to my nan's house, that was like straight straight to the VHS player, straight to Drop Dead Fred. Um but yeah, um, I mean I think because it's funny, but I think also like when you're a kid, I feel like that imaginary friend sort of aspect that the movie has just like truly resonates with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

It is like such a fun, odd, silly like I wish I had an imaginary friend when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Yeah, that I guess that's sort of where I was at too. Like I never actually had one, but I but it was a bit like that would be the best thing ever. Right? Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

An actual imaginary friend, yeah. Not just one that I know I'm faking.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like someone who I can see that no one else can. That's like awesome. That's psychosis, isn't it? This is true. Well, that's sort of what the movie is. Like, the movie actually is like is a pretty like now I'm older, I like the movie even more because it's actually like a pretty clever movie about like childhood trauma wrapped up in bogey jokes. Yeah. Um I think that's another reason that you sort of like as a kid as well, because the jokes are like sort of childish, but they use like words like shit and stuff, so it's a bit like oh, it's like, oh, it's like a it's like an adult joke, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

Also, like as a kid, the idea of like putting your head under a woman's dress and being like no panties, you're like, hee hee hee, but then as an adult, you're like, Christ, that's yeah, that's yeah, yeah, that is pretty evil. Alright, that's that's weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:37

Cobwebs, is that what you're doing? Yeah, yeah, that's online, yeah, yeah. That is weird, yeah. Um, but it's all but then like because then if you look at it through because obviously when you sort of watch the movie, like you see Fred as his own like thing. But like if you're actually supposed to watch it and see Fred as like her. Yes. So it's like her taking the piss out of her mum for like you know what I mean? Because she's got no one, but really it's like cause she's just got broken up with, so it's like that into like the movie's like way more clever and let on considering half the jokes are like about picking boogers, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:09

Which I think I think that's what makes like smart comedy, is that it's layered and you you you you watch them and you're like it isn't just about you know, was it the Kevin Smith thing of like we dick and fart jokes? And it's like yeah, like admittedly his earlier work was better at doing that, but like there was that thing of like on the surface, it's just a stoner film, but actually it's basically it's like a friendship movie, you know, it's a friendship movie, like a relationship movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

It's like a human bond movie, yeah. Like there's connection in it, and that's sort of like what Drop Dead Fred is. It's almost like in a sort of weird way, it's almost like a family movie, and it's about almost like letting go of your family and becoming yourself, and that's sort of the actual thing. Like, Drop Dead Fred is like her internal representation of the fact that she wants to be weird and fun and exciting and different. And she is weird, fun, exciting, and different, but her mum won't let her be. Her mum wants her to be normal and being normal, yeah. Being normal, you know, and like that Drop Dead Fred's like, and I think that's why I'm glad I had it when I was a kid, because it that movie's like that self-acceptance journey gave you the okay, yeah. To yeah, to be myself, you know what I mean? It's almost like being yourself is the goal, and like that happy ending, you know, when like she's and she's dressed in like the coveralls and the stripes, like after he's gone, like she like takes him with her, even though she can't see him anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like in that that bit of your child, like that making the inner you happy is usually just asking yourself, when I was a kid, would I've would I'd be happy with it? Like, I've I feel like I always end up like looking back at like think like where I am in life right now. I'm like if I asked six-year-old me, would he be would would would he be proud of me? Would we be happy of this? Yeah, yeah, would he and usually the answer's yes in my books, and that makes me happy. You know what I mean? That's usually how I'm trying to make happy, you know what I mean? Is that little the the little me really?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

Oh nice. See, I think if I was to ask little me, are you impressed by what we've done? Little me would be like, go away. Really? I don't care about what we've done.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:01

What was your what was your what was little you's dream? I had to be a film director. Be a film director. You can still make it, you can still make that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:08

Like it's very much, you know, it was the it was the uh the goal from five.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:15

Yeah, so Mom was always acting. That was always that I always wanted to be in it rather than like behind it. Fit behind it, yeah. But then I always it's funny because like I guess it's just that weird thing of being a kid and having all those like different roles, but I'd always end up being behind it though. Like I wanted to make I wanted to make I always ended up make I was the one in like so I always lived in Westbury. Do you know what that is? No, that's like a tiny little village in the middle of nowhere, and I used to like just rope all the kids in the village to be in my films. But even though I want if I wanted to be in the films, they have the energy to make it I'd have to I'd have to make the film because they're not gonna make it and put me in it, I'm gonna have to make them and put them in it. And the only reason that I can the only reason they'll help me is if I put them in it because they want to be in front of the camera.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:52

Yeah, I know what you mean. Like I've starred in a few things not starred, I've acted in a few things that I've shot. You can use the word starred. I'm not gonna say starred. Like I I've always seen that just purely out of necessity. Yes, it's just like I'll just do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:08

That's what I always were that yeah, that's see that's what I found out, but on the almost on the other side, yeah. I was like, I'll film it. But as I've gotten older, I'd I'd rather do it. I'd cinematography is what I'd want to do the most. I love like setting up, and that that's always the bit that I'm loving when I'm watching a movie. I like for example, like uh I went to you see the back rooms? I did, yeah. And like that's like a stellar like example of like what my dream was when I was a kid. It's like 20-year-old coming out making a film with like three people in it, yeah, and it's super scary, and it's literally set in a room with nothing at with nothing in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I think that's the thing, it's a real skill to uh make nothing essentially.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

Scary, yeah. Like yeah, he like he literally like it's literally like room, like the premise is like empty rooms with nothing in them, and but he films them like the cinematography is what makes them creepy and relatable, but also unrelatable. But like that sort of like that liminal space really is like it there's there's a skill to get the that right.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

There's like that liminal space. Yeah, because you could really easily do that wrong. And like I would say that film and then Severance the TV show. Yeah. Manage to get it spot on where it's like, oh yeah, these places that are so sterile, but they're familiar. It also feels like someone's just left the shop. Yeah, and no one's been in there for years, but it feels like that is exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

It feels like no one's been in there for five years, but it also feels like someone left five minutes ago. It's like the coffee's still warm. Yeah, what's going on in it? This no one's been in here for a hundred years, but the coffee that's a great way of putting it. Like a caveman cave, and there's a mug on the sides with steaming hot coffee. That's like a great that's like something weird. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:45

Yeah, that's good. That's good. It's an album cover for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:47

That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's like some artwork there, isn't it? Cave caveman wait kind of like leaving the cave and there's a hot coffee sitting there. It's just like it goes hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:55

I like that a lot. You should do that. Um so yeah, cinematography. You've mentioned it a few times actually. Yes, you really have, like with the Halloween, you've mentioned it, Backrooms mentioned it, you mentioned the lighting in um You were saying at the beginning you mentioned the lighting.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:11

Oh yeah, I did. Um we were talking about what were we talking about? Uh was it just Dean Cundy? We were talking about like uh like Dean Cundy in general, like his lighting is just like insane. But like like that, yeah. I've just I've all like but I did photography in college as well in the alongside my film. I did that in the end because I was like by that point I'd sort of like the love for the camera was there. Um like my favourite thing, like it was kind of funny, like when I went to the Jaws Museum in LA, the academ like there were so many amazing things from Jaws there. They had they had the last remaining one from like Bruce from the Bold, like all re put together. They had Ben Gardner's head in its own room, like it was still jump scaring people to this day.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

Oh the bag from the Academy Museum.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:54

Did you go? Yeah, that's amazing. I didn't know you'd been. That's awesome, that's incredible. So there you go. So there you go. So someone talk about it. But like I love the little Dolly Zoom chair they had in there, like that was awesome. But my favourite thing in there out of everything was they had the Panavision camera that they used for the shark eyes underwater, and I was just like, that's that's the film, really. Yeah, I was like, that's what that's the scariest bit of the like that's the bit that everyone remembers. That's the iconic bit. It's the two eyes on the front looking at all the legs underwater. Like that's and I was like, that's the star of the movie. That's like what got him. That's that's the genius of that. That's Bruce. Yeah, really. I was like, there's that big, massive Bruce outside. But that's what he's a look like. That's what he looks like, but that's not who was there, you know. Yeah, I was like, that's like that's the monster, really. And I was just like, that just blew my mind when I was looking, I was like, that like that just m made the camera like that. Is the important bit, like realistic, like how it looks. Like it's like we were saying about fighting movies earlier in the conversation. We were saying about like, you know, uh you could be in the West and watch a Jackie Chan movie because uh even though it's in his native language, but because the visuals are so fighting in the stats. That's what I want. Yeah, exactly. And you can tell a story without dialogue, and you do that with the camera with good.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:08

Yeah, well, it's a bit like um in comics, they want to know if you can do sequential artwork without words. Can you convey the story just through image alone? If you can, then the images are gonna be extra. Like you know what I mean? Like the words are gonna be the dialogue's gonna be extra, yeah. That's just gravy. And you just think like, yeah, you should be able to just tell a really good story through images alone. Yeah. If you can convey a feeling or a fear or anything just through an image, and I think that's why the backrooms impress me so much because so much of that movie has no dialogue.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

Yeah. Like m like more of it has no dialogue than not. Like even Halloween has like a like a hell of a lot of like, yeah, you know, there's words ending at the wall, not looking at the wall, looking at this night. You know, and like you get a lot of like expositional dialogue in Halloween, not to its fault, don't you know, because Donald Pleasant's killing it. Also is the 70s. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, but like we're a movie that manages to just sell you on its like um I really I thought um did you see Iron Lung by any chance? Yes, I did. Yeah, I was thoroughly impressed by that. I liked Iron Lung. Yeah, yeah. I I feel like for a for a first like that because I mean the Kane Parsons one's a bit different because he like made a lot of like that's his first movie, but he'd like his YouTube career was also movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

I mean he did um Milk and Cereal. Yes, which he did. Technically as a movie, a movie, yeah, yeah. Like Obsession was a second movie, everyone needs to.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:29

Yeah, yeah. Obsession was I actually haven't seen it. Corey Baker. Yeah, yeah, but that's I haven't seen that yet, which is like really bad of me. That's like maybe like failing. Not Cory Baker. No, that's yeah, I'm Corey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Curry Barker, he really needed to watch Obsession though. Like it's been like everyone keeps like, oh no, you're you're not it was a perfectly fine film. Um that's kind of what I was at. Every clip I've ever seen of it, everyone's like, it's the best film I've ever had. And every clip I see, I'm like, oh, it just looks like pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

It's like I will say, if it wasn't getting all of the song and dance it was getting, it's a perfectly fine film. Yeah. But when people are like it is the bet I'm like, oh, shut your mouth. Yeah, yeah. That one's like it's the scariest film I've ever seen. Not the scariest film. Yeah. Also, the story doesn't quite make sense. Yes. Uh what she's doing is not love. And I know uh the w one wish will o' whatever is meant to be like a demon, the monkey's paw, so yeah, I wish I had a million dollars, and it was like, we'll get a million dollars, but then the IRS will take it away from want to know why you've got a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's always a bad thing. But what he says, I wish is that she loved me as much as I loved her. But what she's doing isn't love.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:39

Yeah, and it's and from what I've seen through the clips and what people are talking about, that he doesn't seem to actually love her very much. No, he doesn't love her. So therefore, when he asked a wish, surely The obsession is him, not her. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

And then also like all like all the weird creepy bits that they all talk about, like, oh, she walks like a marionette for something. Yeah, the reverse shot. Yeah, I was thinking why.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:00

Yeah, how's that love? Yeah, and that that's what actually it's really funny that you're that you're saying this about the film because that was sort of what put me off seeing it. Because I was like, the premise of the movie seems that it would be like the horror surrounding love, but the movie seems to be just a looking like a pretty cliche possession movie. Yeah, like it really is.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:20

It's like parts of uh talk to her or talk to me. Oh, the hand one.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

Yeah, that was alright, actually. I really liked that a lot. I almost bought that hand quite from that A24 store, like it's dope. Yeah, it's awesome, it's a bong as well, apparently. Sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:36

That's the thing, like that film did a fun thing about possession and making everyone do shit that they weren't meant to do because they were possessed. Yes. Whereas obsession, she's not possessed, she is meant to be uh uh so crazy in love. Yeah, but nothing she does is love. Like nothing she does is love. Yeah. And it annoys me. And that yeah, because to me that was that defeats the premise. So this is the conversation that Kirsty and I had about it, because I said, like, if if Bear, apparently that's a name, had said, I wish she was obsessed with me, yeah, I don't think I would have had as much problem. Because you can be obsessed and not love something. You can be obsessed and despise something. Exactly. You're just obsessed by that. Yeah. But he said, I wish that she loved me the way I loved her. And it's like so And it's especially the way I loved her line that throws that a completely To me, that completely like fucks off most of what happens in that film. I'm like, well then that doesn't work what you've said. And then there are just a series of events that I'm just like, yeah, they're cool and creepy, but what that what's what's that got to do with it?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

Yeah, what's that mean? And why does it benefit like the what like yeah, it almost goes from like we're just gonna put some horror tropes in there because it's a horror movie. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:51

That is all of it. All the bits that are horror, I would say are not part of the film. Yeah. They're just like, oh, we kind of need to add some horror into this. Yeah, because it's gonna be in the cinema. Yeah. And that's it. And like I said, it's not a bad film. Yeah, yeah. It's a perfectly fun, silly film. Tonally, I don't think it knows what it wants to be, because at the end it gets a bit silly, like laugh out loud, silly, and it's like that's not the tone we've had for the whole film. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:18

I actually had that problem with uh movie I loved, but was the substance. I had that problem too, because like the tone of although it does have a slightly tongue-in-cheek bits like that last 20 minutes. Yeah, it just completely threw me off. I didn't like it at all, really.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:30

I I I really enjoy that film, yeah. But I kind of almost give up on it in the last 20 minutes and I just watch it just like okay, and we're done. Yeah, yeah. But I really like that film.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:41

After I watched it, I was a little bit like, oh, the ending sort of made me like, I feel like I don't need to watch it again. Yeah. Which is kind of a shame because I feel like there was a bit more there was something way more they were cooking that was way more clever.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:51

So you've mentioned uh things like Halloween and quite a few horror films, but what was the first 18-rated film? You watched in How old were you?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:00

Um I was probably way too young, and I think, right, you gotta you gotta you have to it's I is Terminator an 18 or is it a 15?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:08

Terminator 1 was an 18, but then when it got re-released on DVD, it got changed down to a 15.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:16

Okay, so I'm gonna say Alien. I'm gonna say Alien was probably the first uh RAID. Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Because I was about to be like, why did we go through all that? And I was like, because you weren't old enough to watch the original when it came out.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Fair enough. Um I'm gonna say it's Alien, because that's the one I remember. Like R like I yeah, like just it's just like the the the scene, like it was the scene where he does the chess burst. So I just remember being a kid seeing it and just being like utterly terrified, but also being like, that's fucking awesome. But also being like, like, like that that was like I don't know, like I don't know how to put it like my like I just from like the the the emotion that it gave me, you know what I mean? It's like it's like I want to look away, but I can't. But it's too good. Yeah, it looks real. Yeah, it does look. I know it's not real. But it looks it. But it looks really real. It's fucking real to me. Um yeah, I just remember I remember watching it. I remember if terminated with maybe because maybe I did watch on VHS, so I can maybe because I remember specifically watching that with my dad. I remember my dad covering my eyes, yeah. And I but and I remember years later finding out like can I watch it again? I was like, Oh, I don't remember this bit. He's like taking his eyeball out. Oh yeah, yeah. My dad didn't let me watch it when I was a kid, and I but I never even realised that was the bit because I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:33

Yeah, uh Terminator 2 when he like degloves his arm. Oh yeah, that was a point where mum was always like, cover your eyes, boys, and like a good little boy I did it, and Louis didn't. But that was a long time before I actually saw that scene. Yeah, and it was like that scene's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:49

That looks like it looks amazing, doesn't it? That that scene, just like that de-glove, and then like that shot of Arnie like looking at it and turning it around. It's just like Alien was probably my first, and I feel like that's maybe why I have a little bit of a knack for like 70s horror. Yeah. Because that like that vibe was like the first vibe I was sort of like caught into. Like Texas, Halloween, Alien are like they're three of like my tops.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:12

Um I I don't want to be that guy, but I'm gonna be that guy. No, no, be that guy. Films in the 70s and 80s and 90s were shot more interestingly and better.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

Yeah, yeah. Like, and it's because it was more expensive, not as in it was more expensive for like the VFX, but the film was more expensive, like it was the camera was more expensive to use. Yeah. So they actually just had like now they can just film anything and it doesn't like it cost money, but it's not the expensive bit anymore. The film and it's not the expensive bit. So that's why it always comes off as like half assed and rushed, because it was the bit that they got through so they could spend the money later. Um, I I couldn't agree more. I feel like like, for example, it's like Texas Chainsaw, yeah. Everyone remembers that movie as being like gory as shit, like being and there's like no blood in it, basically. Yeah, it's not that bad. Yeah, there's like like all the scenes are either like you like he like like she puts him on the hook, which is pretty brutal, but Blood. No. You know, it's uh she he chainsaws the guy up in the wheelchair, but there's no blood.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

It's I think it's more like it's grim. Yes, like it's like a dirty movie. It's dirty. Films aren't dirty anymore. Yeah, exactly. And I missed that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:15

And they missed that like with Halloween, like I was saying. Um when I there's no movie I've seen in the in the cinema recently. I've watched it and been like, oh, that's inspired me to make one. They've like there's no like Blue Ruin was the last one. And because they don't have that dirty look, they feel out of touch.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

They feel like they feel like this is an immaculate thing that's over there, and you're watching it. Yeah, you're not a part of it. I'm watching it. You're just you're just consuming this. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:40

You're not in. When it's dirty and gritty, like Alien, like Alien's one of my favourites because I love the the future that it sets up. I almost I always compare it funny to but to Red Dwarf. No, but the future that both of yeah knackered spaceships. Yeah, used real grimy, slimy people live there because that's what people are. They're grimy and slimy and we're a bit dirty.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

My dad said that about alien. He's like, it's the first time we saw a spaceship that was knackered. Yeah. Everything else before that, everything's these big, sleek, you know, big old proper things. Everything in the future is gonna be perfect. But this one was just like, no, no, no, that's a truck. That's right, it's a space truck. It's a space truck. You couldn't have put it back. Shit's leaking, shit's knackered, it's just people working on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:22

Yeah, yeah, it's literally like it's literally like capitalism in space. Yeah. Capitalism in space. Um, and like that, that and that makes it relatable for the viewer. They look at Alien, and even though it's set thousands of years in the future on a mining ship that doesn't exist, and they're finding an alien species that's not real, you look at it and you go, that looks kind of like my workplace. Yeah. You know what I mean? That looks kind of like people I know. I've worked with those people. Yeah, yeah, sure. You know, that's like that, like there's a there's a there is a films are made to sort of like impress us now, but in doing so, they've sort of removed that of to relate to us. Yeah. They're not too fussed on being like relating to us anymore. They're more so to like Can we take 20 to 30 quid off you right now and then tomorrow we don't care?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:09

Yeah, yeah, it's likely.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:11

Okay. Whether Aliens like trying to tell you something is like this is like a this is a horror story of like the way we're going. Yeah. You know what I mean? And even now, like even more so, Ali Alien could come out yesterday and it would have the same impression as it would as it came out then, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:24

As we were saying with that comedy that it's picking your nose, but it's actually smarter, it's telling you more, it's layered. Yeah. In that horror thing, it's like when you watch Alien, it's an alien movie. It says Alien on a spaceship chasing people down. That's scary as fuck. You couldn't do more of what it says on the tin. It's it's banger, it's right there. But also, it's wor it's telling you about unwanted penetration.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:46

Yeah, it's like, yeah, and you know, and like with the so it's like it's telling you like the there's the there's the it's almost like a there's the unwanted like unwanted penetration, but there's also like the like I said about the capitalism in space, and it's like your boss doesn't care about you. The people at the top of a commodity, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What what's the famous line? Um crew expendable. Yeah, you know, that's like such an important line. Like I just feel like that line just like really sticks out to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:09

It's like the it's in aliens when um Ripley gets pissed off and they're saying, Thank you, Ripley, that's all, and she's like, No, goddammit, that's not all. Because if all this, like if one of these things manages to get down there, then all this, this bullshit that you find so important, where you can kiss all that goodbye, and it's like, yeah, that's the that's yeah, you think this is you think this money train is far more important than people's lives.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

Lives, yeah, exactly. And that's like that's what people like that whether nowadays movies I don't think give you that. Even that thing to think about.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

Because the only people that are funding these movies are the people who want the money.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:42

Yeah, they don't care, like other people not the people who care about the human lives. Where I feel like Ridley Scott had something to say, and like they said, like there's a there's a humanity that like the thing about alien, the beautiful thing about it is it's about the human experience. It's not about the alien, isn't the important thing, isn't it? Like Ripley's the important thing, Ripley's like he's our surrogate for like you know the the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:03

That's you. Yeah, yeah. That's you, the person who's just doing their job correctly, but the powers that be have decided that even though you're doing it correctly, we're gonna do it differently. And if we do it differently and it goes wrong, you're in the wrong. Yes. And it's like, right, so this person did her job, did it correctly, was over like overrun, it goes horribly wrong, fixed the issue. Fixed the issue, but then when she comes to again, she has to go through all of it again. Yeah. So it's like no reward for having got it done, and just punishment is like it's that thing of the punishment at work for being good is oh, well, I'll give you more work then. How uh okay. That's not the that's not a reward.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:50

Yeah, that's yeah, like that's not the goal pot sentence. Yeah, like that's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:54

Yeah, well we're not gonna give you any more money, but we are gonna put more on your plate. And it's like sick. That's what I've always wanted.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:00

And I and I feel like that's like going going back to what you said, is like that's where the I think that's where the barriers sort of or the the what am I looking for? Like the line between consumer and like the people who provide the consumption is like lost, is that the people making the films were for were they were making them because they had the passion for the film but also they had something to say. Whether I don't feel like movies are made for either of those two reasons anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:24

Well, as much as always as much as I sort of dis not disliked, but as much as I wasn't that impressed by obsession. Yeah. And I thought Backrooms was good, but it's not like the best film ever made, though. And also if I have to be told again, oh he's only 20 who made it, and it's like Yeah. Look at every piece of music, artwork, book, 20-year-olds quite a lot of detail. Like I don't be that amazed that a 20-year-old design.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:48

What's like the classic? It's like most people make the Magnum opus before they're 30. And it's like if you look at basically anybody who's famous, it's like they usually made the most famous piece of art when they were like 20 to 29.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:58

27 for Jaws, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:59

Yeah, 27 for Jaws. John John Carbon's at 29 for Halloween, it's at the latest, I guess. I think the cure made disintegrates at 27.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:05

We shouldn't be amazed that a 20-year-old has made something. A pretty good film. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. A pretty good film. I'm more amazed that a 20-year-old managed to get, was it a $30 million film made with Ches Chuatleggio 4? Like that's what I'm more amazed at. Yeah, yeah. Like, I it's not the fact that the film is good or bad, it's just you managed to convince enough people. You had your first film produced by James Wan, was it a Blumhouse and someone else, someone else quite big.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:32

And going back to your friend, and that's the one thing that I'll give him for being a massive Saw fan, is that I do like the story of Saw, like the college movie turned like full like full feature. Like there's always a bit of like that, like the small boys coming through. We're still doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. And then you know, one again.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:49

Dumb up. Yeah, that's why James Wan, yeah, and then you know. But I will say that if you know uh Carrie Barker, Carrie Baker. Carrie Barker Obsession Barker and then Parsons, like I will say before certain interviews came out, it felt like they gave a shit. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I didn't really care for their films, but if they if they care and they can convince other people to care, then I don't care. Yeah. Give them the money. Yeah, give them a thing. But because they both have said I did my film in a retaliation because all that seems to be made at the moment are Marvel films and franchise films, yeah, and then they've both gone on to say, Well, I think there's a scope for multiple sequels in a TV series for both of those things.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:37

You're just like, Yeah, yeah. Especially the Kane Parsons in the back rooms, he's like, that's what I want.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:42

He's like TV show sequel, like I just feel like, oh, okay, so that's it then, is it? That's all you got.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:47

I mean, I'm sorry, sorry to go back, but Nolan maybe Nolan was kind of cooking with that you either uh die the hero, live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I'll give him that.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:55

I'm pretty sure his brother wrote that, but she's gonna be. So, what was the first movie watched that you felt was grown up?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:02

Um that I felt was like grown up. That's interesting. So it's really random. I usually go for like the because I because obviously I grew up with horror movies. So like horror, it's sense, doesn't really like that what they didn't cross that barrier. But it is a horror movie. But I was a lot older actually, and I did actually sneak into the cinema to go see this. Only about a couple of years, but it was probably randomly midsummer, which is like such a like left field choice, I think, that made me feel grown up. But why? Because it was it was the first movie I watched that when I watched it, I was like, ooh, as a kid, I wouldn't have got it, and it probably wouldn't have shook me in the same way. Right. Um I felt similar about hereditary, but the family aspect's a bit more on the nose, and like everyone sort of has a family where Midsummer's like a heartbreak movie. Yeah. And we were talking about you know, heartbreak a lot before, and I feel like that heartbreak pain is uh is like that step into growing up almost for a lot of people. It was for it was a big one for me. Your first heartbreak, your first love is sort of like a you know, that pain that you feel is like it's like that, it's like when you're a kid, you're invincible, then you get hurt like that, and it's like, oh shit. It's like, oh actually, I am a fallible, like you know what I mean. And but also like, oh, I have a flaw too. I probably did something that was a like being an asshole, you know what I mean? Yeah, no one's perfect. Never thought. When you're a kid, you know, I've never thought I was a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:19

I don't know, you're talking about yourself, mate.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:21

Yeah, yeah. Um but so when I watched Midsummer, yeah, just like the sort of like the because it wasn't like obviously it's got some like pretty gory, like practical aspects in it, that like jump in scene, like the suicide scene's pretty like tense and such. But it was more so like the I'm trying to I'm trying to think of like the emotion, but I felt like that movie gave me a lot of emotion that I couldn't feel while I was younger. Especially to do with like the small horror, like the met like the one of the big horrors in the movies is how Christian treats I can't remember her name. Florence Pugh. Florence Pew in the movie, yeah. Um, you know. Um there's that. There's also like the the sort of her witness, like the ritual suicide is brutal, but the thing that makes it more brutal is the sort of her relation to suicide and her being the witness to it and that like rebrought trauma. But I feel like the way that movie deals with trauma is a very grown-up way.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:11

Yeah, I think Arias films do do that, don't they? Like you you're not the horror that you're witnessing is graphic, but it's actually the other stuff that's going along with it. Like hereditary in itself, like, yeah, the head decapitation scene is like quite shocking.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:28

But it's way more that the kids watching it that's horrible. Yeah, it's way more him looking up at it and like what it means to him and like how he like the the like how his character feels like he's like completely ruined his family, and he's what like that's the that's the horror of those movies. Like the tr the the family the the way you see the family and hereditary and how it's it's how it's your view on how they see each other, yeah, but your outside perspective of that their goal is that they all actually love each other at the top, but none of them see it for each other. That's a grown-up horror to me. Wherever as a kid I would have watched it and been like, oh that's gnarly, she cut her L off.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:04

That's the thing, like as a as a kid, I would have seen that and I would have just gone like oh now this fuck will go. I would have gone like it's a ghost movie, and they bring the ghost and they accidentally bring a ghost into the house. But I I I think they would have been like after the decapitation thing, I would have just been like, Yeah, nothing else to see now.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:19

Yeah, literally, like genuinely, like it, like it whether I feel like because I saw it, um, and it was my I think it was my like I think it might have been well I s I snuck into Halloween, but I didn't feel grown up watching that, like because I would have loved like 2018. Um that's not like a grown-up horror movie. That is like a teeny like slasher. It's just fun. Yeah, yeah, it's good fun. And it was like nostalgic. I felt like a kid watching that.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:41

Yeah, the first one.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:42

Yeah, like 2018. Yeah, I felt like a kid watching that one. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:45

The next two adults.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:46

See, I I actually love Kills, but I wouldn't defend it and say it's good. Which one's Kills? Uh Kills is the middle Evil dies tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:52

Yeah, yeah. It's not good.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:54

Yeah, it's it's not a good movie, but like Buddy Sam, like saw he he always tries to defend, like, no, they're good fun. I'm like, they're not, they're not good.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:03

Fun. I I have so much fun with Halloween Kills, like, but that's just because it's like, hey look, it's 1978. Here, look, it's Loomis, here's look, it's Michael in the Michael house. Hey, look, John Carpenter's score's going off. Hey, look, it's Lindsay, hey look, it's the nurse.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:15

Which is the one uh which has the flashback to Donald Pleasant? That's Halloween Kills, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:20

Where like the beginning you get that awesome intro bit, and it like My buddy Mark played one of the cops in that scene. No way! That's awesome. Tell Mark that scene is the best thing that came out of the it almost annoyed me after it finished. I was like, damn, they should have just made the whole fucking movie like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:33

Yeah, genuine.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:33

Like what is like so I was a little bit like so you're telling me they can just make So we can do this. So you can just make cinematography like Dean Cundy, right? That that's what that all that all that that that in that intro to Howin Kills is like fuck, they could just make movies like they used to, they just don't. Because it is just it's like it's like you know, it like fit filmed on film, it's like all in the lighting. It's grainy as fuck without being. Yeah, and it's a bunch of people walking around with a guy in the house getting them, like you know what I mean, and it's like but and it's the it's in the mute the atmosphere that it captures in that flashback is from the first. It is, it was like for five minutes, I was like, it was five minutes of Halloween I haven't seen before. We're getting it, we're getting it on screen. And I was like, why didn't they just make the whole movie like that? But anyway, anyway. I'll tell Mark. Um yeah, yeah, please do. But with going back to like like so with Midsummer, it really felt like like I felt like I had to be grown up to actually understand like the actual like the the actual true story of the movie. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I'd probably put that, and I'd walked out of it, and I just remember walking out of it and be like, holy shit, like I feel like like it was just one of the first movies I watched where I've genuinely like felt different to my younger self. Oh nice. If that made sense, and that's why I sort of go with the grown-up aspect. Like I just I just really felt like I was like, oh yeah, that's that's like a like yeah, I I could only appreciate that by have be by having have lived for a while. Yeah, fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I I don't think that would have meant anything anything to me if I'd have seen it before, but now I like really and the the the the horror of that movie stuck with me, not because it was it was like how we were saying sort of like about Spielberg and John. They were those movies are from the eyes of the child, like the children relate to that. Whether hereditary doesn't and midsummer don't feel like that, they feel like they're made for they're they're made through the eyes of adults.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:14

Yeah, and like a critique I seem to have with a lot of modern films is that they're made for 20 uh 14 to 35 year old boys. Yeah. Like that just seems what every fucking film is made for at the moment. So when you do get like a hereditary in Midsummer, uh one battle after another doesn't feel like that. Yeah. Jaggas Lathma's films don't feel like that, like Alex Garland's films don't feel like that. Ex Machina and stuff. Yeah, like a lot of these films, they're like, no, no, no. We uh we're making an adult's film. Yeah, yeah. It's a film for like a like women and women who are you know You're grown up watching this, you're not you're not here for the yucks, you're here for a story.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:54

Like, Ex Machina is a great example of that. Like, there is no like, you know, I guess you get at the end, you get the little robot reveal, and you get like the bit where he's having a freak out in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:02

But like, but they're like Yeah, but that that's like you're gonna really struggle to get any bad comment about Alex Garland from me. Oh no, I absolutely like I love uh X Machina's like one of my favourites.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:13

Like but that's like a grown-up movie. Yeah, like the like the falling in love, like what is love is sort of what that question is that what that movie's asking, really. But that's the thing is the love that he gives the robot a true love, and does the robot have any love for him? You know, it's the great questions, right? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:28

And that's the thing, like real stories told to like to an adult audience, I think we're missing them. Yeah. And everything just seems to be very Ryan Reynolds.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the problem I have, and it's not just like the Marvel hit movies, is it the other movies are doing that too?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:46

It's the Marvel or the Disnification or the Marvelication of everything else, like the fact that even just any sort of film has to be stupid. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:57

Real realism is very and it's it's funny because like it's games are going in like the opposite direction, which is funny, just to talk about that quickly. But like films are doing everything they can to be unrealistic, and like whether games are f digging themselves in holes, because all they'll be is realistic, and then like there's no graphics difference, there's no like new characters, there's no you know you don't get your jacks and dexters anymore. Which is such a shame. Yeah, you're like video game the Crash Bandicoot would never ever ever get made now. Super Mario wouldn't get made now.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

Oh, Super Mario would you you'd be good luck trying to sell a Super Mario now.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:27

Genuinely, like like it would have to be it has to be a gritty super real the graphics have to look like it came out yesterday and it needs to be look it needs to look like a film, but it needs to look like a Nolan movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:37

Do you know what I I had a great time playing um Ratchet and Clank? What's the the newest one? The newest one the time one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:47

Um but was it on PS4, I think that was one of it? PS4 was it PS5, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:51

It might be on both.

unknown 1:44:52

Probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:52

I will say it was the exact same game as the second Jedi Survivor, whatever it is. Oh yeah. Like, honestly, have you played both?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:59

I've played only Jedi Survivor.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:01

Then you've played that one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:03

Well, like same story and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:05

Almost to the same beat. That's why you're not. Because I was playing it and I was like, This feels a bit a bit like I've just played this, and then I went on Reddit and someone was like, What's going on? Why are these two games the exact same game? Yeah. Jesus Christ. Alright. I can't I can't remember why they said it was, but it was just like uh it's funny how the two games I've enjoyed.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:28

And but that's why it's funny, but I think that bounces back to the fact that games nowadays have like so little uh to the foundries they can break. And I'm massive on games, but like like I've really enjoyed that James Bond game that came out, but it wasn't like anything I haven't played in the past 20 years. No. There's no game that comes out and breaks a bat or like it just has like a does something like extra new.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:48

Did you play the Indiana Jones one?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:50

I loved that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:50

Yeah, Kirsty really liked it. Kirsty's a bigger game. Yeah, Kirsty is the gamer. She's the gamer, yeah. That indie game was I'm the movie guy. Yeah, yeah. Um she is currently losing her mind playing Power Wash Simulator 2.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:02

Oh, apparently they're doing like Star Wars stuff in there. Yeah, there's like loads of different things. Yeah, like I do the firefighter simulator, that's more it's basically the same thing, but you just power it makes it feel a bit more helpful. Oh, that makes sense. I get like steed, yeah, I get like the extra speed instead of instead of washing the building, I put the fire out. I can't play those games.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:19

Boring. You can't do them. And like, don't get me wrong, I'll play uh Forza Horizon 6 for days. Yeah, exactly. And I'll essentially just pick the car that I've always wanted in real life, do it up how I would have it. That's how I play those games.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:32

And then make collect all of them. I'm like, I got the Aston Martin DB5, I'll just drive that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:35

I'll just rest the game and then I'll drive it around and I'll be like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:39

Do you have to put a Jeep Wrangler? Okay, I'll get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:41

And you know they can do the colour scheme for it, and yeah, it's done. I currently have that. And it was like sick, you know, that's all I want. And then I'll say to Kessie, like, do you want to have a game? And she's like, No. No, this looks so boring. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, nah, you gotta get your uh, you know, you gotta break on the corners.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:56

I do have a soft spot because she's like, you're the movie guy, and she's like, my, my like, I have a I collect like movie IP games. They're like my I've I got my sucker for them. I love them. Either terrible or good. I find mov games based on films like such a weird, like that is an odd, like it's just crossover that they they do. Sometimes they're the best games ever. Yeah. Like who did was like let's make a James Bond game. Should we make From Russia with Love?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:19

Yeah, what a weird one too. Who did that?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:21

Yeah, who didn't who was like, let's not make Goldeneye? Who was like, let's make From Russia with Love? That'll sell. Yeah, who was like, let's make they didn't they never came up, but who was like, let's make Taxi Driver the game.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:30

You know what I mean? Or like even but and that and like back then as well, like every like do you know on NES there's the hunt for Red October, the game?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:36

Yes. Like who made this? Box for that, and I was just like, why the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:39

Like like and like back in the back in the day as well, like especially when it was like NES and they were way more like like for kids. Like I find it great like all the like the Terminator and like all of those like adult movies had games like kid, what are you- I'm playing Total Recall, yeah, I just shot my wife when I was a kid when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

Like you could get Terminator 2 action figures and play the Terminator 2 like uh Sega Mega Drive game, and it was like I'm not meant to be able to watch this. Yeah, it's like why is this all the marketing's for me? Why can I buy toys?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:08

Yeah, yeah. All it's like it's you know, it's really surprised me that aliens never got that treatment. There was aliens toys. There was alien toys. Oh, oh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:16

It's like the Rhino Alien and the like you could get all the different the Bull Alien, a Rhino Alien, different aliens, but then they also did like Hicks, uh one of Ripley, you could get the mech walker suit. That's awesome. I mean I go to a lot of toy fairs, as you'll see, the Turtles collection I have up here. That's awesome, of course. Turtles from all the generations. Um and I always see like alien.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:35

The movie is but those samurai outfits are awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:38

Those samurai outfits are and we'll ignore. I got the 4K of it, and uh we watched one and two, yeah. Then they announced the 4K so we didn't watch three. Yeah. So then I waited till it came out and Kirsty bought it for Christmas for me. That's lovely. And I haven't watched them yet. Oh really? Because I'm a bit like, oh, we've only just watched one and two.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:01

Yeah, and all I've got left to watch is the bad one.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:03

Yeah, and I loved that one when I was a kid, but it turns out I'm really into feudal Japan era stuff. Yeah. So as a kid, that's the first time I was aware of it, and I was like, oh shit, samurais are dope. Yeah, yeah. And now as an adult, it's like, well, I've got Shogun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've got like Ghost of Shima. I've got Ghostima, yeah, yeah. And I've got like every Cursaur film. I don't need turtles doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:25

Yeah, exactly. 100%. Yeah, you don't you almost don't want to ruin the nostalgia you have for it because in your mind you still still like it. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:32

Yeah. But in like a flight of a navigator way or in a batteries not included way, I don't want to re-watch it and go, pfft, ooh. Like, I actually don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:41

Like that's what you don't want to do. Yeah, like you you know it's shit, but you like it. Like and I'm a bit like yeah, I know exactly those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:47

Any issue with the third one in my head.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:49

I know it's bad, but yeah. But I can't. But you don't want to go back and watch it because if you watch it now, then you'll be like, Oh, it's shit. Like now I know why it's shit, and now it pisses me off that it's bad. Like, two is bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:58

Yeah, what secret that you Secret of the User is really bad. Like the first one has a really dark, gritty tail. It's great stuff. The second one is bonkers stupid shit. And like when Kirsten and I rewatched it, we watched two, and I was just like, ooh, I actually want to apologise to my parents for making them watch this load because I loved it as a kid. Like this is bad. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I can't. I will watch three of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:26

Eventually. We'll go back to it eventually. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:28

I don't know. But anyway. I mean, I can guess what film holds a special place in your heart, but yeah, I could go and just say Halloween.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:40

But like, but we've we've we've we've done that tale, yeah. In in inspirational, made the fan films, like, you know, John got the movie, the music, like both sides of the coin. But another movie that um have you ever done any music that like is Halloween?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:57

Like, have you referenced Halloween in any of your songs?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:00

No, but I would love like more than anything. I do want to score a horror movie like so bad, it's unbelievable. Like, I'd love to make like a synth score from that's how I want to like channel Halloween. Like, I want to make a score for a movie like more so bad. I've thought about getting like a MIDI keyboard recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:15

And just sort of being like, what can I do?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:17

Literally just like and you've got like that's an that's a John Carpenter noise already. Yeah, like it's just awesome. Um okay, I'm gonna go like a bit left field. Have you ever seen Run Lola Run? Yeah, Lola Rent, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:31

Yeah. I love Lola Rent.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:32

That hot movie holds a very special place in my heart because it's just amazing. Yeah, it's like an actual amazing movie about like just like how weird life is and how like the little things that you do every day and like like the one act the one action you take can change the course of your life forever. Yeah, and I don't think any movie ever really like like put that message in my heart in my mind and was like really told me about like and like when she's going past the like running past the people and then you get like the snapshots of their life, and then depending on when she catches them, it's like different bits, it's like so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:02

It is a really interesting film, and like European cinema, like German cinema is always a fun one, but like European cinema from that time period, really like taxi, like Besson's taxi, yeah, like that's a great one as well because it's just sort of like why the fuck are we watching this? This is an interesting story, yeah you know, and like she's just running. Alright, cool. You know, it's like I can it's like I don't know why we're doing I don't know why we're watching this, but this is good.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:26

But it just has that, yeah. It does it doesn't like it's because it Run of a Run on Paper could have been like a completely bonkers, like sort of like groundhog day movie, yeah. But it manages to do the sort of time loop trope without being a groundhog day at all, really. And because the story isn't about the loop, so to speak. It's about the what the you know what I mean? It's it's way more to do with like that like the the the loop is almost just cool. The loop is it's just extra, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like you get the little animated show of her running down the stairs every time and stuff. Like that I yeah, it's such a good film.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:01

I'm gonna rewatch that.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:02

Like, I guess yeah, it's so it's so good. And like the bit where she like gets in the uh the ambulance with the guy that when they done a nice release of it, um they 4K'd it last year. Oh, really? Yeah, I was really gutted. I missed it in the cinema. I was really gutted. I only found out about it after I found the 4K release, and then they were like they put it back in the cinema for the anniversary, and I was like, when was this? Fucking tell me. You know, I have the Japanese programme for that run, and it has the whole map of the run. Oh dope. I might have to pick that up. Yeah, you can definitely yeah, definitely. Like, uh, what did you call it? That this proper name. I call I always say Run Lola Run because that's like Lola Rent, isn't it? Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:37

Yeah, yeah. And the only reason I know it's called that is because I uh my old boss Jeremy, his uh wife is German. So any German film that I've said to him, or he's talked to me, he's only ever known it in its original thing. German title. He said, like, have you seen Lola Rent? And I was like, uh I don't know. And then he explained it, and I was like, Oh, run Lola Run, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that one. And like it's always like it that's why like now, like I wasn't being a pretentious wanker, and I was like, ah, Lola Rent. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I want to be that guy. But um I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, that film. So yeah. Because there's another film called uh Fuck You Goethe.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:14

Which that's an awesome title.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:16

Yeah, but I think it's like fuck you Shakespeare is the thing. Yeah. And it's about a guy who it have you ever seen um Blue Streak with Martin Lawrence? No, actually. Do you know the premise? Yes. It's essentially the same, but it's a school, so he comes in to fake being a teacher to try and get his like his hidden gem or hidden money back. Yeah, yeah. But because he then starts to like he becomes like a bit of a uh like uh what's the word? Sort of like a rebel teacher, so the kids are they really like him. They're like, oh, he's alright, and then he like falls for one of the things, then he has to try and whatever. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:57

Classic, classic, classic. Yeah, classic, like uh what's that what's that um really cheesy Kurt Russell movie that I watched recently where that woman falls off a boat and loses a memory? Uh and then he'd like he like uh he's like he or is it called? He made it with his wife.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:13

Do you mean Kurt? Oh! Overboard. Yeah, overboard when you said Kurt Russell, I thought you said Russell Crowe. And then I was like, have you mistaken Russell Crowe for Sam Mill? Are you talking about dead calm? Oh no, it was so far away. It was like, wait, Kurt Russell. And I'm like this movie while Woman was overboard. They remade it with Anna Faris. Did they?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:34

Anna Faris. Did they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's called Overboard. Yeah. Is it terrible?

unknown 1:55:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:40

Yeah, yeah. It sounds like it would be awful.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:42

Probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:42

Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna watch it. Um, but like that type of movie. I forgot even why I brought it up now, to be honest. I can't even remember why we brought up Kurt Russell's overboard. I mean, it's always good to bring up Kurt Russell, yeah, yeah, he's just he's just badass. It's good. Had something to do with Oh, it was it because it was like the infiltration movie is in like he pretends to be somebody like well, he gets she he pretends to be somebody he's not. Yes, like it's one of those type of movies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:04

Um run a little run. I wouldn't expect that. And not in like a you know, in any shitty way. It's always nice to hear like a film that is like like you said out of the field, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, decent.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:17

Yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, like a Halloween is just such an obvious choice, but that's like my favourite film, and that's not like a special place in my heart doesn't quite fit.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:25

It it's kind of the same way when everyone's like, What's a film that holds a special place in your heart? And it's like, well, it's Jaws, yeah, but also that's not what you want some right. Yeah, it's yeah, yeah. I I I adore Jaws, but that's not the film that's like there are certain films that like mean so much to me for so many different reasons, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:47

So yeah, it's nice that there's but I take like like a like special place in my heart is like a smaller place. Like Jaws is in your heart, but like it's not that special place, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's why and that's why Ron Lola Ron, just because like that like that sort of message of like just the like the action you take will have like can change like literally the outcome of everything ever. But no movie has ever done it more poignantly, but more views. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's yeah, yeah. And it's just really and it's just like and like the little conversation, like when each one of them dies each time, you get the little flashback, and they like that that's like what they're seeing.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:19

It's like they're it's always a conversation with each other. That's how she got um born. That film. Really? Yeah, because she's the woman in born.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:29

Oh, sorry, she got born. I was like, she got born? Like you born.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:36

If it wasn't for that film, she wouldn't have been born.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:38

Yeah, I was literally like my mind legit was like oh Ted's lost his mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:41

Yeah, she was born? Yeah, so uh because of that, like you know, she was she because that was she because that's a German movie, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:52

Yeah, yeah, but that but born's obviously a American movie, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she because after that she was in quite a lot of other stuff. Um but but that was so that was her Halloween. Yeah. In a way, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:03

But then again, I watched Death Machine the other day.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:06

Is that the Tarantino movie? No, no, that's Death Proof. That's not the car that like hits people. No, I'm thinking of a different movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:13

That's definitely the Death Machine's uh Brad Dorf Dorif Dorith, yeah, Dorith. Chucky. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's done by Steve Norrington. I've never seen it. Death Machine. Death Machine, it's there. Um but did you watch it on that video? Yeah. That's awesome. And uh he off the back of that got Blayed. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. The transition's crazy. And then two films later you made League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which made both him and Sean Connery retire.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:45

Yeah, in both of them, yeah, yeah. They both hated that. Sad though.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:48

But that's the thing, I always like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:50

You know, like the day that music died, that would be like the day that film died, would be like when a League of Extraordinary Gentleman got released into the cinema. It killed a lot of careers. Yeah, that would be like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:00

Kirsty loves it. Um but I'm not gonna question a text because then I've got to question this guy. Yeah, yeah. Um I always love seeing films that like went on to produce the the next person or something. Like, so when you watch like Texas Chainsaw, is it three with Renee Zellweger and Matthew McConnell?

SPEAKER_03 1:59:15

Matthew McConaughey's in it, and you're delirious going on Halloween six is like, what the hell's Paul Rudd doing and running around in this movie? Paul Rudd doing in this movie. What are you doing in that movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:23

But I love it. I love when you see those films and you're like, they had to start somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:27

So David at my work, I'll tell you what, he'd probably at one point be worth doing one of the one of the movies. He should, yeah, he should really, you should really do one of him because he used to work in LA and like you know, he's I always take the piss out of him and I was like, is there anyone who you haven't met? You know what I mean? Yeah, and he's like, No. Yeah, yeah. All of them. And I'll be like, oh, you haven't met Bruce Campbell, and he'll be like, Yeah, but he wasn't famous enough for me to meet. Like that'd be the other way, you know. Fuck you, buddy. But I'd be like, you know, he'll be like, you know, he but um he's totally worth doing an an interview with. But he met Paul Rudd um and worked on a film that Paul Rudd did way before he was famous. It's called like It's like a robot movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:05

It's like it's he but it's like He mentioned it the other like uh once when I went in there.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:09

Yeah, and it's called like Oh man, I'm not gonna be able to remember now. It's not Mac and me, but it's um but it's something like it's something like like like not Robocop, but it's something like like like like Machine Cop 2 or something, like it's got a crazy name. And they were gonna I there was a joke that Paul Rudd was gonna have like remake it. Really? Recently, yeah, yeah, he has white hair in it, it's like hilarious. Um he like Paul Rudd in the movie that he's in has like this horrible white haircut, it's like terrible. But like movies like that where it's like, hey, it's like But Ash, but yeah, to David Um would he'd be great to do, but he'd do it from like the production. He did so much, he worked on so many movies that he doesn't even remember them all, I'm sure. But like he'll be like, I'll be like, oh you know, someone will come in, oh I got Tim Burton's Panthe Apes, and I'll be like, Why the fuck do you want to watch that?

SPEAKER_01 2:00:54

But anyway, so Tim Burton's like, yeah, I made it.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:57

Yeah, Tim, but then David will be like, oh, but I made all the cutlery in the dinner scene for that. You know what I mean? They'll be like, oh, have you got Armageddon? He'd be like, Oh, I made the spacesuit that Bruce Willis is wearing in that.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:06

It's so bonkers though, isn't it? Like when you meet someone who did that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:11

And they're so like nonchalant.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:13

Yeah, and it's just sort of like, oh, it was just a job, wasn't it? Yeah, just a job has to do it. Yeah. It wasn't like we're gonna make Armageddon. It's your controversial opinion on film.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:25

My controversial on film just on film or on a film?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:28

It's on a famous film, but I've also like allowed it to be extended to like controversial opinion on the industry, controversial opinion like on film like in general. I think it's just a controversial uh opinion on like the the the subject of film, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:47

Yeah, yeah, just anything that has to do with film. So, like my controversial opinion that I think Jang Nokson isn't like amazing in everything that he's in. And I think he's a bit of a one-trick pony.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:57

I'll let you sit with that for a minute. Yeah, yeah. Um soft degree. Soft degree, yeah, okay. Like there was a long time where I would have defended that man to the death for his performance. Okay, awesome. Yeah. And Shining would have been another one where I would have been like, nah, man, my boy Jack in the Shining, I love that film.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:22

Yeah. See my controversial opinion on that is that I think Dog Sleep's a better movie and a better advantage. It probably is. And a better adaptation of Stephen King. It 100% is.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:30

Yeah, I like I prefer if you're gonna talk to me about adaptations, the 1997 three-part TV special directed by Stephen King, is a better shining.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:42

Yeah, yeah, of the The Shining.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:44

Kubrick's the Shining is a great fun film. Yes, right? I agree. And it's not scary.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:49

And it gets the and it gets like the like, you know, going back to my favourite word, but cinematography and the set design in it is just like insane. It's beautiful. That's like that that's why it's timeless. If it wasn't if it genuinely, if that film wasn't filmed so well, I don't think it would have half the if it wasn't Kubrick, yes, no one would give a fuck about that film.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:08

I agree. Because there are loads of Jack Nicholson films that are just forgotten. Yeah, you know? Tot totally. Yeah. Like it wouldn't be that fancy.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:15

Um and like I have this, I do have like the you know, I'm sure a million people have heard this, but I do have the Stephen King problem with that movie where it's like he is just batshit insane from the moment he before he takes the job. Yes. Like he's already doing like the looks in the camera, like as he's going past, and he's already doing the unsettling, and you believe that he'd you believe that he'd kill his family. Yeah, 100%. Well, the point of the book, or at least in my opinion, the heart of that story comes from the slightly flawed like you know, he's flawed as a dad, but that's because he's written that way because he's a human being, he's not perfect, and nobody is. It's a man who loves his family, who is wants to do right by his family. Yeah, yeah, he does love his family, and that the hotel turns him against them.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:57

You hear that there is a history of like the drinking which causes him there's an instant where he was violent with his son.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:03

Yeah, the one and but he's in the book, you read so much about how like he's mega guilty about it and he's thinking about it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:08

That's the trigger why he doesn't drink anymore. And the hotel uses that against him and stuff, you know. And it's a fall from grace. Yeah, yeah. Whereas The Shining, it's oh, Jack Nicholson has lost his mind and he's gonna kill his family.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:23

Yeah, and he takes him to the hotel and he's almost a bit like this would be a great place to kill my family. Yeah, yeah, like it pushes them over the edge. And also, like, they're like really, and they're also written to be like honestly, like they're almost written to be like flawless in it as well, and he's like flawful, and they're flawless family. Whether in the book they're all a bit like they're like real family, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:46

Humans. We're all doing our best, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:48

That's what we're doing, they're all a bit like caricaturing the shining, which is something I'm not massive on.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:54

The shining is one of those ones that um when I was younger, let's say when I was a 20-year-old man, I liked 20-year-old man things. Yeah, yeah. I liked Fear and Loathing, I liked The Shining, I liked American Psycho, yeah. I liked all of that shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:09

American Psycho, I'd actually maybe controversially say, is actually like um fucking amazing, but I feel like people see I've overwatched it. Yeah. So I can't do it anymore. Yeah, it's just like too much. It's like not even funny to you anymore. No, because that's why I think people run the barrier with it, is that a lot of people watch it and they think it's supposed to be just a horror movie. Yeah. And a lot of people watch it and think that he's supposed to be cool. Yeah, that's the worry. They're the problem, people. But the movie's actually a really clever, like, this is what stupid, like insecure men are like.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:36

I went to a talk with um Mary Mary Harron. No, the one that the writer the writer of the movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because she did the screenplay, didn't she? Yeah, so I um I went to a QA with her, and someone asked about it, and she was just like, It's amazing that anyone thinks that he's funny. Yeah. It's amazing anyone thinks he's cool because our character is a middle finger two yuppies.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:03

Yeah, it's like the whole point is he's supposed to be like, he's like, this is everything laughable and insecure and stupid about these type of people, and this is why they're disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:12

And like I've read I've read all of I think I've read all of Brady Snellis' books. It's a tough read. Yeah, it's a tough read.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:20

It's a good re It's like a good, it's a it's well, very well written, but like it's a hard read.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:23

I think I've read it like three times, American Psycho. Last time I read it was about ten years ago. It was after a breakup, and I just wanted something I just wanted something fluffy that I could read and make it easy. And I read it on a family holiday in Ibiza, and my cousin's kid, like he was only little at the time, like I think he either picked it up, and it was a knackered old copy anyway, it was dog eared to hell, but like a section of the book fell out, some of it fell in the water, yeah, and like my cousin was like, Oh, I'm so sorry, it ruined your book. And it really felt like a nah it's okay. The universe is telling me that I'm like done with it. We're done with that book. We've read it enough, yeah. It's spent, we don't need to read it again. And I and I just sort of thought, like, nah, don't worry about it. Like, I don't care. Yeah. He didn't do it on purpose. I don't care. And I feel the same about the film. I watched it too much as a kid. I don't really care.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:17

You just don't care about it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:19

I don't care about it anymore. And The Shining is another one. I got it on 4K when it came out. I got the lovely box set, and I watched it and I was like, oh, it's beautiful, and you know, I I really liked this film. And then all of a sudden I was like, I don't think I do. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:35

I've always been in the I don't think I like it boat. Which and that when I was younger used to kind of piss me off. Oh yeah. Because I used to be like, why don't I like it? Because everyone else does, and it's Stephen King, and it's like Kubrick and it looks great. Oh my god, I've been told that I should love everything Kubrick does. Yeah, and every time I watched it, I was just like, oh man, it's just kind of like I just don't really like it. Like it's just that it doesn't do none of the horror that it's going for is that is like scares me.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:57

I've never seen it as a horror film. Yeah. I see it as a drama, yeah, like a family drama.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:02

It's a family drama, and then that it fails to me because I don't think the family is very believable. Exactly. That's why it's a bad movie to me.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:08

A bit like what we were saying with obsession. I didn't see any of those flaws when I first saw it. Yeah. So I ignore all of them. And I love that oh, it's so fun, it's it's a big old meal of a film. Yeah, yeah. Now when I watch it, when they sort of say like, oh, that chair that was in the background and now it's not in the background, and Kubrick doesn't do anything by mistake. So what do you think the meaning is there? And I'm like, Oh, uh, they did a take with no chair, it was a good take, and then on re-watching, Kubrick probably went, it's a bit dead in that background. Can we put something in? They put a chair in and then they did good takes and they put it all in. No, it has to have meaning. It doesn't have to be. Yeah. The the layout of the floors don't really work. Do you reckon? No, no, no, no. They it's a fucking studio, they filmed it. Yeah. It's not a there's no big meaning behind all of this. And it just annoys me now where I'm just like, just chill out.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:00

You almost like over overturn the like how much like yeah, you almost overturn it. It almost makes it a bit like And that's why I've always been like, you know, going back to it, but like that's why Halloween I love so much, because it's like it's very like it's doing there's there's you like the the the that reading into it isn't you can't you almost can't really.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:16

Yes, and I think there is a a uh a thing to be said about films that you can you can do you can tell a really simple story but just nail it. Yeah, oh yeah, totally totally like killer family, revenge, cool, done. There you go. Go make it. Yeah, you can still do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:40

So many of those are massively unsuccessful and stuff, like you know, the simple the simple ideas are usually the ones that seem to capture everybody the most.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:47

Because you know, that's you can do whatever you need to do in it. If they're not done well, they're shit. But they can be done well. Yeah, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:58

And I think with uh I'm trying to think of uh another like a controversial sort of like uh while we're where we're on the subject of it, but like the shining the Doc Sleep Shining. Um America, what were the other nit movies that you listed of America?

SPEAKER_01 2:10:09

Oh like uh Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:11

Okay, I'm not massive on that either. I'm not um you like it?

SPEAKER_01 2:10:15

I again I used to be a very big Hunter S. Thompson fan. Yeah. And uh, you know, I do like Terry Gilliam's films. Yeah. You know, like so Did he do Brazil? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:26

See, that movie I think is fucking amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that movie's like a Brazil's That's like a 10 out of 10 to me, personally. It's a dope film. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:34

And like that's the thing, you know, it's I I do like Terry Gilliams' films. I did I did really enjoy Hunter S Thompson books, but much like like Charles Bukowski and Chuck Polnoick and all those books, they are great when you are a 20-year-old bloke. I'm not gonna say bloke, when you're a 20-year-old, yeah, I think they're quite edgy writing. But then once you sort of grow out of it. Yeah, I don't want to use those words, but that that is the words I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:08

I'm trying to think of a better way, because grow out of it makes it seem like it's being impressed. Yeah, not being shitty. It's just and it makes it sound like we're talking about the people who do like it as being immature. And that's not what I'm saying. And that's not what I'm trying to say. I think it has I'm not trying to say the people who like The Shining or think it's a horror movie are like wrong. We'll get on that last question.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:24

Jesus Christ, this is gonna be a long record.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:25

Yeah, you're gonna have fun editing it. Sorry, man, it's gonna be like a good few hours for you. I mean, we were talking so much about how you love editing, man. So there you go. Um so what have you been watching recently? Um X Falls, a little bit. I've been rewatching that. The show? The show, yeah. The show.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:44

Um two films, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:45

No, yeah, not the films. Um, I'll be honest, I've never even seen the second film.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:49

It's like a long episode.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:50

Yeah, that's what I heard, and I was like, I'll get there eventually.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:53

Billy Connolly's in it.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:54

Um mainly because I've been showing my uh Declan Grays can never seen it, and they're like massive, like they're huge on the

SPEAKER_01 2:12:00

Breaking Bad, huge on the oh, so you wanted to show them what good Telly was?

SPEAKER_03 2:12:03

Yeah, well, I wanted to be like, well, everyone always is like, oh breaking bad's the best TVO, and I'm like, and I'm a little bit like the X-Files kind of just did that writing quality, like yeah. It's the X Files kind of walked so all shows like it could run afterwards. Um so and I and also I wanted to rewatch it because I love this as a kid, and I was like, I um I wanted to give it like another like fresh lens. And with my fresh lens, I've been like, damn, it's so fucking good.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:26

It's like I'm it is fucking good, but but 20 or so episodes, you really see that they had like here's three or four at the beginning, chef's kiss. Yeah, yeah. Here's about three or four in the middle, chef's kiss. Yeah, and here's three or four at the end, chef's kiss. And then we're gonna give you some filler. Yeah, yeah. And in the first five series, like that filler is eighty percent good to twenty percent shit. Yeah. And then between like season six and Annabeth Gish coming in. Is that nine? I think it's about nine, isn't it? Yeah. Were they in it for one or two series? I think Patrick um Robert Patrick and Annabeth Gish. I think it's last two series. Last two series. So like say six, seven, eight. Oh, they're tough watches. Tough watches, yeah. But then I really like Robert Patrick and Annabeth Gish, like coming in.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:16

I actually think if um I actually really like those two, and I think in another world, if they'd have done like a spin-off, yeah, instead of calling it the X-File season eight, they probably might have gone somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:27

I think that would have got a few more seasons.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:29

Um it would have been more successful than Lone Gunman. True. It only got one, didn't it? His one for you, yes. Here's one for you. Did you watch the reboot?

SPEAKER_01 2:13:38

I watched the first few episodes of the reboot.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:45

Uh hate it. Or didn't like it. I never enjoyed the storyline of Scully having a kid and them having a kid.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:55

Me neither. And it's the one they seem to really hampon from like mid-season when as soon as it sort of happens, they really stick with the alien pregnancy thing, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 2:14:03

And it was because she got pregnant.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:06

And they thought, let's not hide it, let's do it. And there was a whole point that they were almost gonna write her out. Yes. And they didn't.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:15

When she gets abducted the second time, that was supposed to be like she's gone forever, I think, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:20

And then DeCovney was like, nah, if you do that, I'm done. Yeah, I'm not doing it with that. So they kept her in, yeah. Which was very smart. Uh, but then when they just kept that and the cancer just keep coming back. They keep coming back. I was like, you're bumming me out, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:35

Yeah, it's like, yeah, and the the whole that's the thing with like I find with the the baby storyline, it's like so depressing. Yes. It's like really, really depressing. Really? And it's like, I don't mind a bit of depressing, but like at the same time, it's like I'm trying to watch 45 minutes escape from reality TV a little bit, the same token. And like, I know it's funny if you've seen about the filler, because like I've because I feel like the with the X-Falls, there's like almost like there's like two main types of episode. There's like your conspiracy episode which ties into your season plot, and then there's like your monster of the week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and I feel like the filler is the monster of the week. But yes, but but a lot of the monster of the week stuff is probably the most memorable stuff from it.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:13

That's more fun, yeah. But they s they lose it by the end.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:18

Yeah, apparently all the later. So I've actually never seen uh I think I've only I've never actually watched all the way through 6, 7, 8. I've just like uh seen them on bits and pieces. Yeah. The first five I've seen, and then I was just like, yeah, yeah, I just couldn't get through it. Um yeah, like yeah. On my watch list though is Polybius. Have you seen that? Is that what's called Polybi not Polybius? That's the fucking arcade game.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:39

That's the No but um uh Ploribus?

SPEAKER_03 2:15:42

Pluribus, yeah. Polybius is that fucking arcade game, the not real one. Polybius is like the FBI we're using in like the 60s. You ever heard of that? Like the it's like what's the Oh has it got Dave Harbour in as a voice actor? No, it's not real, it's not a real game. It's like uh Polybius is like it's an MK Ultra thing. It's like one of those theories that apparently it was an arcade cabinet they were putting in like arcades and teens would play it and they'd get like sick. Or you know, they and they were like, you know, they men in suits would come and take the polybius machine away, and kids were getting like addicted to it.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:10

I fucking love it! I love Polybius, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:12

I'm Starfighter! But what you were saying was better. Well that's like that's random you say that because apparently it was like a shooty sort of like yeah, which is so maybe in another life you played it, and then they took they they removed it from your memory, the the FBI.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:24

Yeah, I've no idea what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:25

Where's the X Files episode on Polybius? There we go. That's like yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:29

They did another series of it though, didn't they?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:31

They did do a second event series, yeah. That one was that one was like really weird because the overarcher thing went back to the fucking baby. Again, I don't go to that. Everyone really hated it, everyone really hated like where they went and where they finished it. Everyone's like sort of like clamoring for another series, not because it was good, but just to be like, please don't let that be the last one.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:47

Ryan Kugler's got it.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:49

Um, yeah, Gillian and so what happened is is basically they did season one to five, and then David took a cover and he was like, Alright, I've done my bit. Like, I'm out, um I want to go have loads of sex. And everyone was like, Okay, fair enough. We get it. Yeah, yeah, we get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:02

There's that bit where there's one early season where he gets out of the swimming pool wearing tiny red like yeah, Mulder's in like the tiny thing. And you're just like, Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:10

Yeah, I get it, man. Um so um and he left, and then Julian was like, Okay, I'll stay. Um, so she stayed for like the whole thing until it's season eight, and then obviously Rob Patrick and thing sort of took over as the main. I know, like, I think both Scully and Mulder turn up sometimes, don't they? Um in like a couple of episodes here and there.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:26

He's not out of it long enough. I don't think he's ever out of an entire series.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:30

It's a bit like Rimmer in Red Dwarf, where it's like he was gonna leave at the end of series six, and then like you have like that one, like you have like a six-episode run with Kivchansky and then run his back. You know what I mean? It's like okay, so they never really left.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:40

They don't dare do it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:41

Yeah, yeah. Um, but then so don't so then he didn't make it for years because neither of them wanted to do it full time, and and the whole Robert Patrick that the replacement theory wasn't working. Yeah, um then they did the event series, I think it was anniversary, but I think it was Chris Carter asked them. I think he was like, I wouldn't mind doing another one. But didn't he pass? Uh what before?

SPEAKER_01 2:18:02

I think one of them passed before.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:03

I thought I uh maybe you're right. I thought it was after the first event series. Oh maybe it was maybe I'm getting it wrong, you could be right. Um, but they did the event series and they really enjoyed it, but they enjoyed it especially because it was six episodes, and they were like, that's a nice amount. Um and then they asked, got asked to do one more, and they were like, Okay, well we can do one more. Um, and then it didn't do very well either. Um then they asked David, and then it was this time it was David DeCovany was like, I'd probably do another one because I like how I just love hanging out with Ginny and Anderson and I and I like the X-Files, like the community, it's fun. Like he's not he doesn't love it as much as they do. Like he was I saw a cool interview, he's laughing with some other it was it was for every was in recently, yeah. And the whole cast was there, and they were talking about X-Files, and one of the cast members was like, Oh, fucking squeeze uh ice and like David Covenant. Dave Dukovny's like, I don't even know what episode he's talking about. Like, like I don't know the names of them.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:50

Like I imagine though that with Dacovny he never cared. No, yeah. He was just in it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:56

Um, but then it was Gillian Anderson during the events he was like, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life again. He was she would like you had me for ten years before. I've come back and done this for a bit of fun and because I respect the X-Files, but it was like I don't want to do the X-Files again forever.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:09

It's harsh because she's had a successful career at the back of it and he hasn't.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:14

That David Gillian Anderson, you could probably find somebody who knows her from something else. You could probably go, Joe Gillian Anderson, oh yeah, sexuality, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or bleak house. Yeah, where if you go if you join David Covenney and you go, uh Oh, from his band?

SPEAKER_01 2:19:28

Yeah, yeah, uh well, Californication? Oh yeah, Californication.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:31

I think I've got it up there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:34

But now they go who and you go Mulder and they go, Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:37

Even as someone who liked Californication, uh, if you say David Covenant, I'm like, yeah, yeah, my boy Mulder.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:42

Yeah, Mulder, yeah. He is spooky Mulder forever. That's how it is. Um so it was interesting, but this time, yeah, but so this time it was Gillian Anderson who was like, I'm alright. Um so this reboot thing is interesting. Um I'm not sure if it's gonna work, to be honest. I think Mulder and Scully are in sort of the blood of why that show worked so well.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:01

I I do feel like if you're gonna do, you know, um files of the smoking man or you know the lone gunman, like you might be able to pull it off, or if you literally start it with Millennium, isn't that an X-File spin off? Technically, same universe. I'm gonna wait until you guys get a new version of the first series in, then I'll take that. Yeah, yeah. Um but like I think if you did like the first episode was Mulder clearing out his desk, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 2:20:30

Like passing the torch episode, yeah. You could get that.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:32

And just being really open about it, like he's retired. The other guy's retired. I'm taking over the department, and we're gonna see how long the department runs without them.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:42

Without them, and it would almost be like a literal, like, literal, like, let's see how if we can run it for the code. You guys like it, yeah. Department run. That would be a fantastic idea, and then you even have like the opportunity to have like them come back for one or two, you know what I mean? They're always there on the side, like the retired. Boulder becomes like a Reddit like uh moderator of like the the Yeah, you know what I mean to become one of the lone governments, yeah, yeah, or something like that, you know. And uh so I I think there's definitely like room there's room for that type of the FBI covering like the FBI conspiracy thing hasn't been done better than the X Files before.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:14

Um legs was the disappointment.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:17

Um Long Legs was that the Nicolas Cage one? I can't lie, I just watched those clips from it, I was just like, this looks to bad. Like everyone was really I thought it looks fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:25

I when I saw the trailer, I thought like, oh, this is gonna be like a Science of the Lands thing, and then after the first 20 minutes, I was like, Oh, you're not gonna do that. What type of movie is it then if it's not that? Uh a Nicolas Cage Losing His Mind one.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:38

Yeah, just like same as every other Nicolas Cage movie. I'm not huge on him to be fair. I I got I I can see why people love him. When he's good, he's great. Yeah, yeah. Like I like him in um I like him in uh like Spider Noir. I didn't watch that. Yeah, I haven't seen it all, but I saw some clips and my friend was like, my friends were really into it, and I was like, okay, well I can see why the silly goofy Nicolas Cage works for a silly goofy sort of detective Spider-Man. Um So yeah, X-Files, doing X-Files. And I need to watch um that's that's on my watch list is uh what did we say it was? Not Polybius. Pluribus? Oh uh Pluribus, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:10

Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_03 2:22:11

No, but it's the same guy who did Breaking Bad. Oh, Vince Gilligan. Yeah. It's Rhea Seahorn who was in Bettercall Saul. Did you watch that?

SPEAKER_01 2:22:20

No.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:21

See, I'm under the impression that Better Call Saul is a much better TV show, and I think people are I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:27

I think people are saying that.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:28

Yeah, I I watched both twice. And I've and I watched Breaking Bad years before first, and I and like my love for saying Better Call Saul is I think is better, isn't to degrade Breaking Bad in any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:40

No, you're saying like one is better than the other, but one is a 9.8 and one is a 9.9. 9.9. Yeah, literally. But Battle Call Soul just happens to be the point nine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:48

I just think like re-watching wise, and I feel like uh the women are written terribly in Breaking Bad.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:54

I remember the first time I watched Breaking Bad, I was like, fuck this Skylar, she's a bitch. Yeah, yeah. And then as an adult watching Breaking Bad, I was like, fucking hell, Walt. You're a dickhead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are a massive banner. And you didn't turn into one, you've always been one.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:08

You've always been one, and that's sort of why like um because the the show Breaking Bad plays you like a bit of a fool, and Breaking Bad kind of forces you through its cinema techniques to see Walter as the hero, even though he's a prick. Yes. Where the Better Course doesn't do that, and I feel like because of that, both Jimmy, who is soul, and Kim, who is like his love interest in the show, both come off as much more human and better written characters because it doesn't try and fool you. Yeah. Like breaking bad fools you to think like it breaking bad fools you, so you're in the same mindset as Walt White. Which is fair enough, because that's where the percentage of the show is from. And I don't think that's even necessarily like not necessarily a bad thing, but but Bear Course Allah is better because in that I think in that terms of writing where it doesn't have to fool you. But like like like with this hating Skylar, you hate Skylar because you get to Walt's way. But that's bad writing, because you because you because the the there's so much drama that should be from Skylar's side that shows how evil Walt is being and shows the nastiness of him and shows how like he's running away quick and meth and she's pregnant with a kid and he's dying.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:16

And before all of that, there's loads of things he didn't tell her. Yeah, like so much. He doesn't even tell her he has cancer. Doesn't tell her he's got cancer, doesn't think to like not bend the knee as it were, but like go apologize to those people and go get that money that they're offering to help pay.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:35

Yeah, literally, yeah, he shows you well that's the that's the massive thing that gets sort of like stopped over, is that like uh Gretchen and Elliot are gonna pay for his everything, and he says no, which is super egotistical and evil, you know, loads but you know and Sky and there should be loads of like thing, but like I'm surprised there isn't a plot line of Skylar and those and Gretchen like you know, being like, What the hell's wrong with it? Why is he not doing it? Yeah, like what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 2:24:57

Let's figure it out. And how and and if they're saying like you said no, so but you now you've got all the money to do it, how exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:06

Um, and I feel like they're I feel like it misses like all the male characters are awesome, and there's loads of badass shit going on in it, and like Mike's a great character and Walt's a great character and Jesse's a great character.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:15

As with Californication, it's just indulgent male fantasy, you know what I mean. Yeah. So it's just like it's the same reason with like those Jack Reacher shows and the Jack Reacher books. Like, I can't read the Jack Reacher. Indulgent male fantasy. Indulgent male fantasy.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:29

And that's where I and that's why Better Causewell's bad because Better Causewell isn't an indulgent male fantasy, it's a true to life like person, and it's it shows like it's like I really feel like Jimmy is just and like Saul is such a better laid out real person, and you love him for some things and you hate him for some things, and how you feel about him is such and that makes him real. Like, you know what I mean? That makes him far more real than Water White to me. Um what are you watching at the moment? You're watching anything? Or do they always ask you that?

SPEAKER_01 2:25:57

No, no one asked me. Who cares? Um at the moment I'm doing a lot of research for film noir for a project on a right.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:04

Oh, so you're doing all of it. Are you going back? So there's some old ones in there.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:08

Yeah, there's a lot of original sort of like 40s film noir and then modern-day film noir.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:13

You can invite me around and watch some because I've never actually seen like a 40s noir movie. Oh really? Yeah, I've never sat down and watched like a oh, I was sitting in the bar and this waitress walked in and doubly indemnity. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, I've never seen any of them. Like I've never seen like a I'm trying to think of like I can't even think of the closest I've seen is Dick Tracy. And that's like a colourful pattern. That's not.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:31

Yeah, I don't know. Well then you're missing out then.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:34

Yeah, well, I'm I it always entices me and stuff, and I always play like it's for example, like the Mafia one is sort of based on that type of film, you know. So I'd really love to, you know, would I love to watch something like that. You have to send me a little recommendations list or something. I'll send you all the lists. Yeah, yeah. Well, now I've got a place and a place to watch that stream. Like that's that's why like when you asked me the question at the end, like what TV you've been watching, I was like, I've only just got my pulling place to do it. Yeah, yeah, it's like really hard for me to watch stuff, and it's been really hard for me to watch. That's why I like Pluribus would I would have watched when it was on. Back cool solo I watched every Tuesday when it drops, like for the whole run, which is maybe another reason I think it's better than Breaking Bad, just because I have that like I watched it. Yeah, I was there, and like I was just like I like the last few episodes, I was like, you know what I mean? It was like it really like over the six years I've been waiting. The last the last episodes just did like like I was just like, yeah. I was like, this is it.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:20

I had that with Six Feet Under. Like I didn't watch it when it came out, but I watched it uh recently, like say recently, like last year. Yeah. And like when it finally got to the last episode, I was just like in balls of tears. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:33

I was like, fucking yes, mate. Like, I can't believe that it just did everything that I wanted it to do, and but still pulled the rug out from underneath me at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:40

It did everything that I didn't expect and it did expect, and I'm not angry or happy or sad. I'm just like blown away.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:46

Yeah, yeah. Just all the emo I'm all of those emotions because it was great. I'm not just one, I'm all of them. I am happy. I'm happy it's like it was that good, but I'm sad because it's over, you know, it's like it's great.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:55

Uh Mortal Kombat 2 was another film I watched recently.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:58

Oh, how was it? Great film. Yeah, yeah, it was really good. Um the first one was good apart from the human character. If you literally cut the human character out of the movie Well, Sonya. Uh no, Sonia's fucking awesome. What's the what's it, Carl? Like, no, uh, what's his name? They he's a new character created for the last Mortal Kombat movie. Oh. He's terrible. He he fights Goro. He has like such a rubbish name. Kano. No, no, no, no, he's not a Mortal Kombat character from the games.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:25

I don't know if he was in this one.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:26

No, I think he dies in like the first five minutes, maybe, apparently. Or something like that. Maybe then.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:31

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:32

I can't remember his name, which is stressing me, but he's literally like the main character of the first movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:35

He's like Is he Scorpio and Scorpio's kid?

SPEAKER_03 2:28:38

Scorpion's kid? Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:40

Yeah, he does.

SPEAKER_03 2:28:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's terrible. Yeah. And he was like made for the movie. And he's a terrible actor as well. It's like really bad. But the rest of K the guy playing Kano was 10 out of 10. Spot on. Yeah, Kano was great. I love, I really liked um what's his name? Uh I literally uh oh man. Yeah, and um then the hat. Raiden. Yeah, those no, no, he's the electric. Uh what's the other guy called? Oh, Kung Lao. Yes. Kung Lao, yeah. Yeah, those two are awesome as well. Although I thought Kung Lao wasn't in it enough. He gets pretty wiped out in the first one pretty easily.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:11

In the second one, there's arguments that could be the same. Oh, really? Yeah. But what was funny is that Kirsty didn't know that uh Carl Urban was in it as Johnny Cage. So like when he came on, she was like, What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 2:29:22

Yeah, it's a great cast.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:24

And I was like, spot on. Yeah, it's a great cast. And he what is nice is that he's playing it as a man of his age. So like he's not playing it as Johnny Cage, like at 20. No, he's playing it as Johnny Cage used to be in the 80s, a really dope fucking person, and now he's not. That's awesome. So it's like, oh good, good. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:44

That's a much more like that's like a fresh take on him as well, which is nice too.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:48

But he's got all the confidence, but he he loses it a bit. Yeah, it's like ah nice.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:53

That sounds great. Uh but I did enjoy that first movie. I like the Shang song they cast as well. I mean, no one's ever gonna be your soul is mine, you know. No one's ever gonna be him, but like they did a good job.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:02

They do a good they do a good job with the second one, and like I watched Scream 7, I know what you did last summer, this is Spinal or Spinal Tap 2, yeah, and like Mortal Kombat 2, and I would say that Mortal Kombat 2 was the most enjoyable out of all.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:16

Yeah, really? Wow. What were they ever to what are those other hot oh god? That just this is the this is Spinal Tap. They made a sequel, did they?

SPEAKER_01 2:30:22

Did you not know? No, oh yeah, they did a sequel. That sounds like a spiritual idea. I don't really get it. Yeah, I don't really get that.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:27

That's so boring. I don't it doesn't really make any sense to me. It's kind of like how they keep talking about making of Austin Powers at the moment, and I'm a bit like, ah man, those three are just it. And we're done, aren't we?

SPEAKER_01 2:30:36

Like I don't think that humor would work too.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:38

And I feel like old Mike like really old Mike Myers to be in like are you horny babies just kind of creepy.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:43

And that's the thing, like I guess he's I bet he's is he older than he than Michael Cain was? Yes. So like is it gonna be like a Shrek 5 situation where it's like Mike Myers, like Austin Powers has got a kid?

SPEAKER_03 2:30:56

Yeah, are we gonna do like a deep fake Austin Powers situation? Which would be horrible. That would be horrible. Uh thoughts on Indiana Jones 5? I'd love to hear them.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:09

Just because the deep fake uh thing came up, so uh it's the first time I like four. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:20

Oh, you know, you know, for my for my question when you said what movie holds a special place in your heart, I was this close to saying Indiana Jones 4 because after I saw Cassina Royale when I was a little bit older, Indiana Jones was my favourite, and I was so excited for that movie to come out when it was coming out. And Indiana Jones was fucking everywhere. Yeah, burger king, toys, everywhere, just commercials, that orange, that orange pit orange and like yellow picture of him like looking to the side, like it was everywhere. I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:53

Had the cardboard standee from the cinema foyer in my bedroom after it was gone.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:57

Yeah, well, him standing there, like with the the full poster. Yeah, I love the full thing as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:02

On my wall, it took up the whole wall. Um I made the film up when we got it as a print, so I stole a couple of scenes from it.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:12

That's awesome, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:13

Yeah, yeah. Um went because at the end on all the tales, you had to write the name of the film, scope, what formats in, all that kind of stuff. I had done in the Indiana Jones font, I wrote it all out.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:25

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:26

Uh I was so excited for that film when it came out.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:30

Uh and I went to the cinema, and you know what? I loved it. I loved it so much.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:36

I have no, I don't have the same complaints that people.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:38

I mean, that one's like it's so stupid with the nuclear town in the fridge, and I'm like, is it stupider than him falling out of a raft out of a plane unless it's like Is it as stupider as like racing minecarts?

SPEAKER_01 2:32:46

Yeah, yeah. And admittedly, we've both mentioned Temple of Doom, which is considered the worst.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:49

And which is maybe my favourite controversially.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:52

We didn't have it growing up. We had Raiders and Last Crusade. So Temple of the Doom was this Temple of Doom was like a real like uh secret. Like I didn't have it. You know, I needed to get it.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:03

So I always think it's really controversial here, wasn't it? Was it? I think it's why they got the age rate in. Oh really? Yeah, I think it was the the I think it was I think it might be the reason they have 12 A's. Yeah, yeah, because I think everything before it was A and P G, and then it was just like oh in America it was like U, P G. Yeah. M. But nothing but Indian Jones, it's not an M, but it's not a PG. Because like Jaws when it came out was a PG. But it's a 12 now. I thought it was an X when it came out. No, no, it was a PG. Anyone could go see Jaws. Mental. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:35

Um, yeah. I I think I really liked it.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:39

I really liked uh there's I can think of literally the opening scene's fucking amazing. Great fun. I actually think that shot of him is maybe one of the most iconic ever. When he went the shadow. Yeah, the shadow, and then he picks up the hat off the floor. When I was a kid, I was like, oh, he's bagged! Yeah, um that and then you got the awesome chase sequence from like the military base. Yeah, and I actually quite like the 60s set in the sense. Little bit forward moving it on.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:01

I really let that motorbike chase through the university. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:04

It's awesome, yeah. Me too. Um Chad LaBeouf is a bit like miscast, but let's not think he's alright in it. Yeah. I think it's probably his best movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:16

Eagle Eye?

SPEAKER_03 2:34:17

Yeah, sure. Okay. Oh, I was just thinking Transformers, and then I was like, I don't really know how many.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:24

Fury he's good in.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:25

Okay, yeah. I haven't seen Fury actually. I will say like Fury is good fun. Yeah, it's funny. I can add, yeah. Yeah. I can add it to the list.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:34

But um John Hurt is amazing in four. That's the thing. I don't think anyone's bad in it.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:39

I think uh the CGI animals are a bit annoying, and the CGI aliens look bad.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:45

CGI aliens look weak.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:46

And that ending is a bit rubbish.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:48

Okay, maybe it's not as good as I remember. But I would rather watch that than five.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:55

Ever again. Now four probably now the thing is with four though, like it's literally, I actually think it's just because it leaves a bad taste in bad person, because the ending's not very good. Yeah. I think the intro sequence is amazing. You got and then uh so you got like the uh yeah, the intro sequence, then you've got the chase inside, and you got the little arc reference, and you got, you know, when he whips and then he goes back and lands into the car and he's like, shit, I thought it had that. Yeah, it's great, it's great. And it like punches the guy and it's awesome. It's the right noise. Yeah, and then you get that awesome fight, and then they get blasted by the missile thing, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great bit. Um, and then you get like him and the the the FPI like wash him down with the radiation. I love the Nuketown bit to bits, I just think it's fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:33

That's the thing, like I don't have any issue with that film until much later.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:39

Uh the skull is awesome, and uh unlike Dial of Destiny, it actually has like so for example, all of the artifacts in the Indiana Jones movies, bar the Dial have an awesome theme to go with them. I can't can you think of the Dial's theme? I can.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:51

But Raid, but Lost Arc is at the I just you know the whole Like I when we were watching Five, I like said over to I w I said to Kirsty, Why am I bored during an Indiana Jones movie?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:05

It's so annoying. The first 20 minutes is like a CGI video game and it's quite exciting, and then nothing happens in the movie. Where's the adventure? It's no adventure. And why the fuck did they kill Mutt in the war? It's so depressing and brutal and mean to the viewer. Like Okay, we didn't like him that much, but that's not what I meant.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:22

And I think there is a way of like you could have had him lose his son in the war. That wouldn't have been a problem. But you could have also had Mutt like MIA.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:35

Just M I A, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:36

And he's M IA because he's on his own adventure. Exactly. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:41

Yeah. He's out, you know, he's you know, he could have been like, oh, he's just a bit like how I used to be. He's like he wanted to go do his own thing, and you know, I can't blame him. And you know, and then you have another move, and then like I don't know, and where's short round in Final Destiny as well? Like they had the one last chance to put them together and they did a lot of especially with like Heiku Kwan being like so like Is it Osquinner now? Yeah, yeah. Come on. Um, and also just like it's just so like the just the lack of adventure in it. It's like Indy has no love for the adventure in that movie, so therefore you have no love.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:09

And like there was a there were certain bits where it was clearly CGI or it was a deep fake face, and like it was the difference between having a 20-year-old doing the stunt and then a 70-year-old man standing up. Yeah. So you're just like all of a sudden this person's doing like weird head turns, yeah, and then like they're doing a perfect forward roll, and then they can't get up.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:30

Yeah, and then Harris Ford like can't run.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:32

Yeah, and you're like, Well, what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 2:37:36

Do all of them one or the other, yeah, really, yeah. Um, and I just thought, and and had no pace into it either. It's like why you'd stick that like big massive 20-minute flashback at the beginning and have all of this action and adventure, like the whole movie's gonna be this roller coaster fucking it's in the last Indiana Jones movie, let's go for it, and then just have the whole middle section movie. And also, I love that Indy and Marion get married at the end of four. Why on earth would they change like them to be not be together again? Like the whole point of four just to get back together again. The best, yeah, at the event for no reason. Yeah, for no like she just turns up as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:38:07

She's like, she's just I heard you needed me. It's like from who? Phoebe Waller Bridges. Oh yeah. Also, it would have made more sense, I think, if he had I didn't like that there was actually time travel. Because what I hated that too What I do like about Indiana Jones, especially in like the first three, like there is an element of fantasy, but not.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:29

Yeah, no, the fantasy comes from like no, there's an element of like that. That's another thing I have, which is like which I which I really liked the game for, is that the first three movies are like kind of Christian movies, but in the sense where God, the Christian God sort of is real and exists. Yes. Um and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I sort of forgive it because they tried, they were like, you know, they were trying something new. It's Roswell, it's it's alien. George Lucas's idea was to like move it on and do like an alien, like the alien thing was sort of the point. It was the only reason it was the inspiration to make it almost. Yeah. Um and it was supposed to be like, you know, those 50s like of sci-fi comics. Yeah. Which I respect. But the thing was Island Destiny, it doesn't even have that going for it. It doesn't even have like another like a fresh idea. It just it's it the time time travel and history are not the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:18

And like it would have made more sense, and I would have given him I would have given them slightly more credential if they had Indy go back in time and stay.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:31

Me too. I said that too, and I say that taking that choice away from him is nasty. And I actually didn't mind the idea of an indie going back in time, and for his whole life he's fine for his whole life he searches for history, and then in some crazy turn of events, he ends up That's part of it. That's kind of beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:45

And then from a horrible fan base perspective, you can then erase the fact that like not erase, but that's the whole of his arc. Anything you do now, it's a different Indiana Jones. Yeah. So if you want to reboot it, because you're gonna It can be that way. You do whatever you like. Yeah, the Indiana Jones we all know, that's him. Yeah. He's done his whole thing. Yeah. So if you do a new one, it's a new one.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:10

Whether having him come and take the hat on, it was just like at the end as well, it was just like, I was just like, ah, it's not you can't be like this is my final depressing movie, and then be like, hey, yeah, you can't be like that. Wherever like in Indiana Jones 4, the whole thing ends, it's like, oh, everyone seems ready for another adventure, and he takes that off mutt and he's like uh and he puts it.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:27

Which I like, because then it's like, nope, you're not getting this. Yeah, you know, that makes sense. Yeah, but and it's not and that movie doesn't really give you the idea that it's over. It ends on a much more positive yeah, like we've gone through something, this could be the end, we could actually like Indy's now going on a new adventure with it in love, yeah, yeah, you know, and that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:45

Indy's but like that's not it's not a new adventure, it's not it just doesn't, it's just not an adventure movie dial of Destiny, and that's where it fails.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:52

And my friend Sam really uh rags on any of James Mangold's films because he's just like, oh, make a character that you all know and love. Old and depressed, old and depressed and then killed Logan. Yeah, that's so his thing is all just like he doesn't like James Mangold films for that reason. And I'm like it's a fair, it's kind of fair, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:08

I don't didn't he do the Wolverine? It was Logan, it was it was Did he not do the Wolverine though as well? The bad one. No, that's Wolverine Origins. Oh yeah, that's yeah, X-Men Origins Wolverine. Yeah, not that one. Uh The Wolverine. This one in Japan. Oh, yeah, maybe you did actually, yeah. I think he did.

SPEAKER_00 2:41:25

All Weeb over here loves that shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:27

Yeah. But yeah. Um to round up, do you have anything you want to promote? Anything I want to promote? Your music? Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:34

I can I can chill my music. Shill that. Yeah, yeah, awesome. Um, modern reptiles on Instagram would be the best place to follow my music. I've just actually um we've been on a bit of a quieter space at the moment, rearranging stuff, but I've just got a new basis in, and uh we so we're a five-man now. Uh we're looking at doing our next gigs look like they're gonna be around like the end of the year, which I'm really looking forward to. Fun. Um, new music in there, um, our own stuff. We've got one song out on Spotify and YouTube and Deezer and all that. It's called Twisted Generation by Modern Reptiles. Nice, that's a bit of like a classic hardcore punk stuff. The stuff coming up is a bit more like scar and bouncy. This one we sort of was like, well, we'll hit them hard with the first one. This is our sort of our cinematic uh rock entrance onto the field and such, um, which is awesome. So Modern Reptiles, Instagram, Spotify is probably the two best places to support us. Um, yeah, that's about basically all I have to show. And then if you wanted to, you could type in Halloween, a fan film, on YouTube. It's uh it came out in 2018.

SPEAKER_01 2:42:30

I will uh if you send it to me, I'll link it.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:32

Yeah, yeah, because so I made that when I was like 14, uh 15. So you guys gotta give me leeway on that one. Maybe that yeah, yeah, but that'd be fun. I think you'll see the the carpenter uh source uh in there somewhere, um which is awesome. Um but yeah, and thank you for having me, of course. Like I I felt I feel I I genuinely feel the privilege to be here.

SPEAKER_01 2:42:52

It's been a long time brewing as well, because we've been trying to get this going for a while.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:56

Yeah, and it just sort of kept getting a bit of a circumstance, yeah, yeah. I don't want to come in here and be like, I've been watching nothing. Misery. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:05

But no, like I I liked that because when I saw you yesterday and it was just like when can we do it? It's like tomorrow, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:11

Yeah, I was just I was just in the mood. I'm just in the mood right now. I'm taking the enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah. Um but that's awesome. But yeah, that's great. Um looking forward to listening to it and being like, oh, I hate the sound of my own voice.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:22

Nice. Well, thank you very much. Of course.