From College Athlete to Millions of Views: Brett Morse's Uncommon Journey

How do you separate evidence-based coaching from social media myths?

In this episode of Becoming Uncommon, I sit down with speed coach Brett Morse, whose science-backed approach to athletic development has helped thousands of athletes and coaches rethink how speed, strength, and performance are built.

Brett shares his journey from collegiate hurdler and long jumper to full-time online performance coach, while discussing what actually creates faster athletes—not trends, gimmicks, or viral exercises.

In this conversation we discuss:

•  Why most speed training advice misses the mark 
•  The relationship between strength and speed development 
•  What coaches should prioritize in the offseason 
•  Why track & field teaches lessons beyond sport 
•  The importance of evidence-based coaching 
•  How social media can spread both education and misinformation 
•  Developing athletes in under-resourced programs 
•  Building long-term athletic development instead of chasing shortcuts 
•  What the future of elite sprinting may look like 
•  Advice for coaches, athletes, and parents 

If you're a coach, athlete, parent, or sports performance professional, this conversation is packed with practical insights that can immediately improve how you think about training.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

All right. Hey everyone, this is Becoming Uncommon. And with Becoming Uncommon, we always look at different journeys and how to really take our skills and our goals to the next level. With me, I have Brett today. And for me, you know, being able to watch his content and again, just uh somebody that respects the sport of track and field and everything involved in getting faster and making yourself a better athlete, it's something for me that is so valuable. Um, you know, being in the coaching education world, um, I've noticed that there's always been a lot of misinformation, but you know, there are a few individuals that are seeking, you know, clarity in the world of so much confusion, so much, you know, trying to break through the noise. And so again, with me, um, my guest today is Brett Morris. So um can you please introduce yourself for us?

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Yeah, so let's see. I myself was a four-year college track and field athlete. I graduated in the spring of 2023. I did the 110 hurdles, long jump, I did the 100, 200, 4x1, all the short fun, explosive stuff. Um, I went on and I studied human performance. So I went on to get my degree. I then was a dual intern in both track and field and strength and conditioning. So I was essentially just an assistant track coach and an assistant strength coach. So it was pretty cool to see both ends of the spectrum there and how they kind of tie into one. Um after that, I went on to get my certification. I got the CSCS. That was about six months after my internship. And then since then, really just been applying my knowledge as both a former athlete and someone who pays attention to the studies to now helping the next generation of athletes after me. So I've been doing this now for about two years. I started off coaching in person primarily, did that for about eight months or so. And I saw the opportunity with social media just to connect with a broader audience, a lot more individuals online. And there's a lot of small schools out there that are oftentimes pretty underfunded in terms of strength and conditioning and just speed development as a whole. So I've been working full-time online for a little over a year now, and that's been an awesome experience just working with athletes all over the country. So yeah, that's a little bit about myself.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Yeah, and I then that's what's interesting because the the opportunities to have that virtual level coaching, um, maybe we would have thought that it wasn't gonna be, it wouldn't be valuable, you know, maybe 10 years ago, but now um, you know, it's so critical for a lot of people that maybe are in role areas, don't have resources, are looking to kind of find that edge before maybe, you know, linking up with that one coach that's gonna help take them to the next level. Um, what have you, what was like probably one of your biggest shocks in terms of taking it to like more of an online platform and and kind of helping consult and um coach people virtually?

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Honestly, man, my the sheer ability to get results online. Now, this was something I was a bit hesitant about is like making that transition because I was like, ah, like I'm not there in person. I don't know how much I can guide these kids, and I didn't know the difference I'd be able to make. But you'd be surprised when you work with higher-level athletes, like they already have a good understanding of a lot of the technical aspects of training. When you just lay out a map for them and have them follow the plan, make sure they're kind of keeping in touch with me, making sure that they're doing things right. And if they have questions, they get answered. If you do all that, you get some incredible results, which was something that I wasn't sure how that would play out. So I started off coaching a pretty small group in the beginning, and it was more of a one-to-one thing with a very small group, three to five athletes, just to kind of test things out, see if this would be something that would work. And we did a 12-week cycle from there. I'd see the results from week one versus week 12, and I was pleasantly surprised. So, seeing how that played out, I then kind of expanded and focused more and more online. And since then, just the linear progression of being able to help out athletes is it's been incredible. So that's probably the biggest thing is I think kind of COVID in a sense changed everything. And if you have a good understanding already of training, which most athletes, at least my client base, does they just need a plan laid out for them and they need to be able to execute it and do things properly. And as long as they're able to do that, then the results, that's just a given. So that's kind of the one thing I noticed just the ability to really help a whole generation of athletes in a sense.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Yeah, because one of my philosophies or uh epiphany I had, I was at Disneyland. This is a long time ago. I think my son that's 15 now, I think he might have been like five at the time, and we're waiting in line, and then a show got out, and it was just a flood of people. It's like, I don't know what happened, it just looked like so many people. And and that's when I was really kind of in that upswing of getting deeper involved in like coaches' education specifically. And what I my epiphany at the time was there could be an Olympian in that crowd, there could be somebody that's gonna be an Olympian in that crowd. But what's the difference between how that individual ends up being an Olympian and not? And what I'm you know, really interested with you specifically too, is like there might be an athlete that they don't have the resources or access to things, and you know, kind of getting kick-started the right way. Because imagine you don't get guided. It could be frustrating, it could be, you know, very um disheartening to like not see results and and kind of not even develop a passion for the sport just because you're not able to get guided and and get appropriate guidance and coaching and and feedback and have somebody that's gonna help hold you accountable. Um you know, there's so many things that go along with it. But yeah, that's one thing for sure. I was just like, I never want to be the person that if somebody comes across my my way and they have the potential to be an Olympian or you know, see their division one or division two dreams come true, that that when they came to me that they're gonna leave better than when they came, kind of thing. And um, again, from a coaching education standpoint, uh a lot of information out there. So who are some of your influences and you know, um, you know, I guess like individuals that you find that are kind of a cornerstone mentorship for you?

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Yeah, I actually um one of the things I've done myself with continuing education is really leverage social media. Now, what I mean by that is I will be very specific with who I follow and who I pay attention to because they're all their sole, I guess, basis of their content, a lot of it is surrounding education for coaches. So a couple names that immediately come to head. Ben Moxness, athletic doc on Instagram. He posts a ton of informative content that I myself apply to my athletes. And he's he's the guy that goes deep into the studies. He's really good at interpreting that stuff and explaining it. I'm not that guy, I'm not the one that really goes into the studies. I pay attention to stuff like that, and I make sure I'm up to date with everything training related. He's the one that really can kind of distinguish between something that's good and bad in terms of literature. So I listen to him. I listen to another guy, Pedula Performance, Joe Pedula. He puts out a ton of content for coaches. And in terms of like the entrepreneurial space, Tim Riley, another big name in the performance space. I've loved to see what he's done and how he's accelerated his career from not just coaching to now he's opening a gym. I've been on his podcast. It's a super professional, awesome setup he has going on, and just seeing like the potential that can come from really just putting your foot on the gas and really going all in on building yourself up as a brand and as a business. So those are a few names that immediately come to mind, both from just like an entrepreneurial perspective and education and actually being a better coach, which is great. It's a great resource to be able to listen to podcasts, watch just short form content and actually get educated from that stuff, as opposed to 10, 15 years ago, you got to open up the textbooks and actually dive into it. And I'm just that's not something I enjoy doing. And I I totally respect coaches that do that. And it's a huge help to me when they're able to do that and produce content that helps me apply it to my athletes. So yeah, that's a few names that I definitely keep up with.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Oh, that's cool. No, yeah, that those are some really, really good names. Um, so you when you explain things and you go through things, I notice that you have a very relatable tone and just like how you keep it real, slash you are not watering things down. Um, how how did you kind of find your voice or your perspective in terms of relaying information and kind of shedding some light on some of the things that you talk about?

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Yeah, I think a a big thing about social media, if you want to be successful, is authenticity. And I think people can kind of read you like a book when you're not. If you're trying to play a character or a different role, they're gonna see right through that. And in the beginning, I really wasn't sure kind of how to find my voice in a sense. And I really just thought to myself, you know what? Just be myself. There's no benefit in any way, shape, or form if I were to grow a following, uh, pretty much playing a character. So I try to just 100% be myself. I try to say what I feel, I try to form opinions on things that I actually believe, and I try to teach things that I use myself. I use it with my athletes and I try to do it in a way where it's relatable. It's easy to understand, it's easy to apply. And I think that's really why I've grown at an extent that I did in such a short time period where a lot of coaches they'll try to play a specific role or they'll try to go too deep into the science or too deep into the practical aspect of training. And I kind of try to just fit on both ends of the spectrum. What can athletes understand? What can they apply? They don't really care too much about the science, but also they need to know what they're doing is working. So you got to keep up with the science, you got to apply it in a manner which we know that it's something that's working. So, yeah, I um I think the biggest thing for me is just authenticity. Be yourself, don't be afraid to say what you feel, and don't be afraid to have opinions on things that a lot of people may disagree with because there's a whole nother group of individuals that are gonna agree with you and actually like you more as a result. That's definitely something I've noticed.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Oh, wow. And so go going a little bit further, like I want to kind of or at least go back, um, you know, a little bit more into your personal athletic background. So, like coming through high school, did you do multiple sports? Did you just do track? What did that look like?

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah, I primarily when I was young, young, like middle school and earlier, I was doing more like basketball, baseball, football. I did a little bit of everything. Once I got to high school, I then kind of narrowed it down to football and track. I ended up doing track to get faster for football. So I saw that there was a benefit there just to get faster in a 40-yard dash. I was never really the best football player. I was very skinny at the time and I really wasn't super developed in terms of like the weight room. So I tried to utilize speed. And as a result, I ended up being better at track than I was at football. I saw a lot more pros and cons in that sport. Football's a tough thing on the body. And I saw with track and field, it's it's you versus you. Now, that's one thing I've noticed is like team sports versus like field sports and like track and field and like sprinting events. It's really you versus yourself. And yes, you are under an organization, you are a team, but it's just your name on the final results sheet, which I loved because I saw the work that I put in, it would directly correlate to the results I would get. Now, with football, there's politics at play, like who do the coach does the coach know apparent, this and that. And then there's also the aspect of like, hey, you could be an elite five-star receiver, get open every play, but if your quarterback isn't getting you the ball, you're not gonna get the recognition you deserve. I guess, like some people can say it's a selfish mentality. I hate that. I I love just being able to put the work in, see what I get as a result, know where I need to improve and know what's working and what's not. Track and field's just an incredible sport for that. And I always recommend to parents you got to get your kid in track at a young age because it's not gonna just teach them things about themselves as an athlete, but as a person, it's gonna teach you discipline, accountability, work ethic, it's gonna teach you perseverance, so many different things that I didn't get from team sports. And I'm all for it. I love football, but I decided to go down the route of track and field and continue with that in college.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Okay, yeah, I was just telling a parent actually, like you know, they her daughter plays soccer. And when you're playing a team sport like basketball, soccer, football, you run as fast as you think you need to, but track, you better run as fast as you possibly can. And people don't realize that there's those are different gears. Uh and I, you know, it's funny. I heard a football coach say, Oh, you know, there's football fast and track fast. And I was like, Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but you know, um, but when it comes to those types of things, like uh, you know, once you decided to like go with track, or at least that's what it seems like, right? Like you're like lean towards that paper track. What was that recruitment process like for you?

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, I actually I reach out to a lot of schools directly as a junior in high school. I know, like, at least in my area, you got to be committed before you're a senior. Um, it's just like the track and field season, it's so late into the school year that if you're running fast 100, 200 times, whatever it may be, and it's June, for example, it's a little bit late. School's already got their whole roster full. So I reached out early. I really wasn't running super fast at the time. I myself, I did the pentathlon in high school. So pretty much every event that every event, including sprinting, jumping, hurdles, you name it. I really wasn't good at the 1500, but I got recruited to run the decathlon in college. My senior year, fortunately enough, after I was committed, I ended up taking a huge step in the hurdles and the long jump and the open sprints. So I reached out to my coach after I was already committed and then from there kind of narrowed down to specialize in those events at the collegiate level. So I um I think the recruiting process for me was very smooth. I have uh I went to a small school, Cortland State University. It's about 45 minutes south of Syracuse. I um the thing that drew me to that school was just the athletic culture there. It's a it's a school where, like, if if you're going there, you're probably an athlete, or you're at least interested in human performance or kinesiology. That's really kind of what it's known for. And I saw that as something that I wanted to follow in the school just two years ago, two, three years ago now. They just they won the D3 national title for football. And they had kids. Um, his name is Cole Burgess. He is actually in the NFL as we speak on the I believe Pittsburgh Steelers. And he came from Cortland, he was actually in my class. So it's a um, it was an incredible experience being able to take that next step and compete at the collegiate level because it's different. You learn a lot, you learn who you are, you kind of become a man in a sense, and I'm so grateful for the four years I had there, and it taught me everything I know to this day.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

So yeah, yeah. So now you look back at the recruiter process, it's a little bit different. Um with uh it's it's rough, man.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

It's um, I actually myself, I worked with a kid who he was a junior when he came to me, so he was late in this process, and he did not have an indoor track and field program. So he came to me, he trusted with his he trusted me with his track specific training. So 60, 100, um, it was 6200 indoors at that time. And then I took over his strength and additioning as well. And fortunately enough, he ran unattached at a few meets and ran some really fast times, and that as a result got him a scholarship to run D2. And I was a part of that whole recruiting process with the coaches at the college because he didn't have a high school coach. So I was dealing with that and seeing it from the perspective of like a different generation and how it's working. And it's a lot tougher nowadays to get a scholarship, to get recruited, to run at a high-level school than it is when I was competing. And that was just five, six years ago. So it's um it was eye-opening, man. But I I'm fortunate enough to be able to work with athletes like that that they're not afraid to work hard and they're not afraid to really trust the process in a sense. And he ended up committing in this past March. So he will be there this next upcoming school year, which is awesome. Because usually, like I said prior, that's pretty damn late into the year to commit. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

So um now you you you mentioned earlier that you know using authenticity to which it sounds like helped you build validity in your voice and like how you disseminate information, how you connect with your clients and individuals that you work with. Um, now how do you find yourself working to try to hold the validity? Um, when I say that, I mean just obviously, like you mentioned, you're trying to you keep up with the things that you need to keep up with to make sure you stay relevant with the sport and the training and the sciences, but more so just with yourself, like that balance between you know business and everything else you got going on.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah, I uh at least from a coaching perspective, one of the main rules I have for myself is never program something for athletes that I haven't seen successful with either another group of athletes or myself. So I still train for speed, speed development. And I think that's a huge part of the process in becoming a good coach is like you got to know what certain movements feel like. You got to know what it feels like to be just completely trashed in terms of like CNS fatigue. You got to know what it feels like to be deep into a loading period. I think all these things are extremely important. And again, my rule is like if I haven't done it or if I haven't seen it work, I don't apply it. I don't apply things to athletes and I'm not sure how to actually do it and execute on it. Even if I think it'd be a great thing to apply, I gotta run it through with myself first or I gotta run it through with a smaller group or whatever it may be. So I think that's one way to keep the authenticity in the coaching aspect of things. And with business, again, it's more just being yourself, just standing for what you believe in, um, holding the line in terms of coaching philosophies. And if you're, I guess, hit with new info, don't be afraid to change your opinion on things. I think that's something that a lot of coaches struggle with, is they get so married to specific aspects of training and specific philosophies. And even if they know they're wrong, they're afraid to admit it. And I think that's something that is not a good thing. I don't think there's any benefit in that. And even if it helps you build a business, and even if you see with like, I guess you call them movement cults, and they're just so deeply ingrained into like specific aspects of training. Yeah, it's like um not to like name names, but like I don't know if you're familiar with like functional patterns or there's another group called Gota. And I have nothing against those guys, it's just like you can't be married to a specific training philosophy in a way where you treat it almost like it's a religion. Like you can't be afraid to change your philosophies on things if you're hit with new information that is better, more applicable, and you see it get better results. That's my main thing. If I see something in my training and I know it's not working, I have no problem switching it up, and I have no problem as a result teaching that on social media or to my athletes that hey, I've changed my opinion on this, I believe this now. I think that's totally fine to do.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Yeah, um a German coach told me he was like, I'd rather make a million different mistakes than the same mistake a million times. Exactly. Yeah, but no, that's the first time um I've ever heard movement cult. I've always thought about that concept, like that, that and I and I get, you know, I guess a formula to branding is attaching to something, so that therefore the you know, there's a level of consistency with the branding, but um, like you said, just kind of getting fixated on one thing could be uh kind of tough. Um, so the next question I have is like, because I was talking to the um a young coach, um, you know, being a mentor and being able to work with a lot of different coaches coming up. Um, what do you what are your, you know, I guess, um, or your philosophy on building yourself as a coach? Like obviously like to staying current, doing things, things like that. But what are some things that you're looking forward or you're implementing that's kind of helping you sharpen your sword and making you, you know, I guess as successful as you are?

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Yeah, I think I think definitely anecdotal evidence. I think that this is something I'm a big fan of. And this is something that a lot of coaches, I guess, in the science-based particular space, they kind of tend to bash that. And I understand the reasoning. I understand, like, hey, if one athlete gets good results with things and another one doesn't, it doesn't make that one thing immediately valid for sure. But I pay 10, I pay attention to patterns. I see what works with myself, I see what works with a host of different athletes that have similar training goals and focuses and they're programmed in a similar manner. And even if it's outside of the literature, I'm not afraid to say, okay, there's some merit here in terms of like this is a good thing to program. So I try to stay very open-minded in a sense. And if something may not fully align with the literature, I'm not afraid to program it if I've seen it work time and time again. I think that's a big thing, is just being flexible in that regard, but also holding your standard in terms of the literature. Make sure you're not programming something just solely due to the fact that you think it's a cool looking movement or something that's fun to do. So you got to find that balance between the literature and knowing what works on a scientific level and something that has worked with athletes that may not withhold the actual literature, the statements made and just like the science-based approaches. So yeah, I try to find that balance, and it's a tough thing to do because there's so much information online. So I try not to pay attention to too much, rather, the guys that I see as like you said prior, guys that I see that are educating another generation of coaches, for example. So yeah, I um I think that's the the key thing is like checking both boxes. You got to pay attention to what's working in terms of like a scientific perspective and also what's working for you. How can you apply that and how can you continue to recreate those good results?

SPEAKER_00 21:49

So yeah. That's yeah, that's that's good. And because it would made me think about is as a former decathlete, you know, um having that experience to being able to uh Um, train through what is the most the highest level of like maybe complexity and like training dexterity, you know, being a decathlete, you know, I think having that perspective going into coaching training and and working with people. Uh, I feel I do have a leg up on people sometimes, like having been a decathlete and and touching my body and moving and you know, trying to find commonalities with movement patterns and so on. So um I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead for the decathletes out there, I'm gonna go ahead and attribute a lot of that to that. So um that's what it sounded like too, just your ability to navigate that and not and see kind of through the the you know the face value of movements or training programming and um how athletes are working. But what does a training program will work for you? So if somebody was working with you, um it do you guys do like video? Like how um, because I see a I mean the growth of virtual training platforms has grown exponentially, obviously, like we you mentioned through COVID. But like what is what is your process? Like, what do you what do you go through with an athlete?

SPEAKER_01 23:08

I um so one of the core philosophies of my coaching is checking every single performance-related box. Now, what I mean by that is you're not gonna just get a program, you're gonna get complete access to nutrition and supplementation guidance, recovery guidance, even sport psychology guidance. Now, this is what I saw work best for me. And when I was an athlete, the training, it was great. But I didn't take that next step and become an all-American until I applied all of the things outside of training. Now, that includes sleep, nutrition, taking some supplements if it feels fit to your specific goals, making sure that your recovery is good. Mentally, you're in a good position. You're managing your stress levels and you're managing performance anxiety, all of these different things that go into competition outside of just training. So, yes, I put a lot of eggs in the basket of programming. We make sure that everything that's laid out on paper is something that's gonna work for the specific athlete I'm working with. But you better be damn sure you're hitting your protein goals, you're hitting your macros, you're taking your creatine, you're getting your eight hours of sleep a night, you're managing your stress levels, because all those things, I personally think that's how an athlete reaches their true genetic potential. I've worked with athletes that are just freaks. They can come into the gym and power clean three plates with little to no warm-up, and it's incredible to see. But those athletes sometimes tend to half-ass the process outside of training. They're not really too good about diet, they're not sleeping the best, partying a little bit too much. You'll never reach your genetic potential doing those things. So you see someone like Tom Brady, for example, he didn't have the best genetics. He ran like a five-something second 40. You we've all seen the combine clips. Not the most gifted specimen in terms of athletes, but he applied the work ethic and he had the knowledge and he had the persistency to really apply all of those things outside of training. And as you can see, it really worked. So that's just one of those things where I think with my coaching that I kind of separate myself with other individuals in this similar space online, is like you can go to another coach and you get a good program, that's fine. But if you're not hitting your calories, you're not hitting your macros, you're not sleeping the best, and that coach can't assist you in that process, good luck getting good results. That's something I've seen. I've even had athletes tell me, like, yeah, coach, I've I've been doing good training like this for a while. But what you've given me in terms of nutrition, really just stay holding me accountable in terms of everything I'm doing with recovery. This is why I was able to get X result. So yeah, I um I try to pretty much check every single performance-related box and just cover everything.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

So, do they send you video or how do you do you meet with them like via Zoom? Yeah, see, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

So we um essentially I go through everything in the beginning with them, make sure we have their goals mapped out, we have the training focuses mapped out, I handle all their macro supplements, all that stuff. And then on a week-to-week basis, I have them like if they're doing acceleration day or max velocity day, they'll send me some videos, send me some clips, I give them some quick cues and feedback just over text. Fortunately enough, the iPhone allows you to send some voice notes. So I really utilize that, make sure that they're understanding what I'm kind of pointing out to them. Um, and then from there, it's pretty simple with a specific group of athletes. Like if you're working with with um, like I try to work with athletes that have a good understanding of training already, like kind of like what I said prior, because when you give them a cue and a correction, they immediately know I'll see the next week's video and I'm like, okay, he's actually working on this. I like trying to work with guys that are coachable and actually all in on the process of getting better. So, yeah, the video analysis is huge. The coaching aspect of that is definitely something where I try to keep it flexible as well. So if we get a couple weeks into a program and something's not working or they're injured, or they have a meet coming up, or a meet got canceled, I go right in there and I change the programming as a result. So I think the flexibility, checking all the boxes in terms of training, those two things, I think they're huge. And just making sure that the athlete reaches their potential when they're working with me.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

So do you um use like your the strength conditioning? Do you build a strength program for them as well? Or do you yeah, yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah, I handle everything for them. So my main niche in a sense is speed development. I work with athletes that are trying to get faster. And uh I guess in the months in the past, I would work with more athletes in terms of like goals. Now I'm more focused on the niche of speed development. That's what I enjoy, that's what I train myself in, that's what I have a good understanding of. Um, and I have a lot more experience in that sense. And I think it just makes the most sense to kind of niche down in that perspective. So I'll work with a lot of football guys. I'll work with, of course, a ton of track and field athletes. Um, I'll work with like soccer players, lacrosse players, really any team sport athlete that just needs to get faster. And if you need to get if you need to improve your 40, 60 yard dash, 100 meter times, I try to make it so I'm the guy you come to for that. And that's just kind of the main philosophy in a sense of um where in terms of physical qualities, I try to address when I'm working with guys one-on-one.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

So, who was your biggest success story? Uh probably that shocked you.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Probably the kid I mentioned prior who um ended up he because he he went on in that season not just get a scholarship, but the reason he was able to do that is because of his performances on the track in that indoor season. So I had him run about six or seven meets, and as a result of that, he won his state championship for the state of Ohio. So that was awesome. He was a state champion, and he wasn't even wearing his school's jersey, he was unattached out there. Um, so he was a state champion. He then went on to finish ninth nationally at New Balance Nationals. At New Balance, he hit a new PR. So I organized training in a way to have him peek out at those last two meets, maintain everything we've worked on, and that's what happened. He ran a 679 in the 60. And the year prior, he never ran any indoors because the school didn't have it. Um, but he was running like an 11-2. So 679 versus an 11-2, that's a big difference in terms of speed there. So that was awesome to see that. He also broke the 22-second barrier on an indoor flat track. I think he went like 21-8. And last year he was running like 22-8 outdoors, so a whole second off the 200 and just shifted a few things around with his training. And I'm not sure what like your philosophy is on tempo training. Um, but his coach, uh, and this is something I see a lot at the high school level, he got worked into the dirt and he had stress reactions, he had hamstring issues, he had all these problems coming to me. And I was like, Yeah, dude, what's your training look like? He's like, I'm out there two, three times a week running 300-meter repeats at 70%, doing eight to 10 reps of that. And I'm like, Whoa, there we have it. So we dialed down the tempo volume. I focused more on, I guess, preparing him for the demands and what his event acquires. So he's running six and a half, seven seconds indoors, and then 10 and a half seconds outdoors. So we train the specific energy systems to address those demands. And as a result, he leaned into that training. His body responded exceptionally well, and then that's where you get the scholarship in a sense. But I've had other athletes where, like in a 13-week period, um, add over 100 pounds to their back squat. I had another guy who added 75 pounds to his power clean. This is all in 12, 13 weeks when we do our testing. So it's it's a lot of younger guys where they're like 16, 17 years old, they're not, they don't have a high training age in the weight room. And then when you apply a structured plan and check all the other boxes outside of training, you can achieve 100 pounds in three months to a back squat. So I didn't think that was possible, but that's kind of like what we were talking about earlier in um in like the successes of like online coaching. Like, wow, like if this kid follows this plan, these are the results he's gonna get. So that's a couple, a couple different athletes, but primarily him. He was the main one that could loop.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Yeah, that's cool. Have you um do you know the name Matt Clark? I don't know. I do not. Yeah, he's the he's the sprint coach and strength coach at um uh Kansas State now. He is like uh Travis Geffert's like right hand man um over at Kansas State. Yeah. So we a lot of like your sentiments and like the the way that you're flowing with how you like how you think about speed training and complimentary um strength training, it really reminds me of him. Yeah, I think you should uh yeah, he's a he's a he's he's like um he re Oh another thing that reminded when you think it was like you were talking about lifting during the season. Right? Do you remember that post or that yeah? I made a couple recently. Um because I it's funny also. I mean, side note, side note, side note, is a lot of your stuff sometimes I'll send to my athletes to be like, like because it's so funny that again, like when I talk about like the validity, you like you're in that realm where you know it just helps maybe compound some of the things that we've been talking about, we've been saying, like we've been preaching, and it you say it in such a way that it's like they're gonna relate better to you know hearing it from you. And it just and like they're like, oh yeah. And um, I even have athletes have sent me your stuff and be like, Coach, what do you think about this? And it's really funny, but uh yeah, yeah. So the way like you you align those things, um, again, um it really comes to mind like Matt Clark, he's kind of like one of the unsung heroes over at Kansas State with some of the things he was at Arkansas previous to that, and you know, and worked with those guys over there. But um yeah, like so on that, I brought that up to ask, like what where have you ever had aspirations, or do you have aspirations of being like a collegiate coach or coaching um like in an institution in that way?

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Um, honestly, man, as passionate as I am about the sport, as passionate as I am about performance training, track and field in general, no. And the only reason is just because with like my goals from a business perspective, I have other things I want to achieve within the next five, 10 years that I don't think would be possible had I invested time into coaching. And um, I know in certain areas and I know with certain schools and certain parts of the country, the pay is very good. But at least in my area, that's just not the case. I would see like I would see it firsthand with um my internship coordinator, he would mention he was a really high-level D3 strength and conditioning coach. He was an assistant track coach at the time, and he would always mention, like, hey, if if you're getting into strength and conditioning, don't be in it for the money because you're not gonna get that. And I get what he's saying in a sense, and I do understand like it's a tough path to follow. And I think if you do want to take that next step as an entrepreneur, you got to go down the private route. And he himself has done that since I've been there, and I've helped him along the way with like social media, which has been cool to see. And he's a guy that taught me everything I know. He really has instilled specific values in terms of training philosophies and programming and taught me what works and what doesn't, because he has 15 years of strength and conditioning experience. But he himself, with the knowledge he possesses, he would feel like he's not rewarded financially for that. So that was the one thing I try to kind of stay away from at a young age is like I have a passion for this, I want to do this, I want to make sure that I help the next generation generation of athletes, but I got to take the smart choice in terms of business and make sure I'm doing it in a way where I can achieve the specific goals I set for myself and go down a specific route if it requires it. So um, it's been a thought for sure. It's fun, it's definitely something like when I was an intern and I was coaching track and field as an assistant, I would love to see what myself given to athletes be applied directly and have that benefit them. But um, you gotta you you gotta weigh your battles, that's all.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Yeah, no, for sure. And that's and that's like it shows like a high level of perception or perspective for you personally about how you want to take this. Um and in even deeper than that, uh being able to work in that private world, you kind of get to control and are not confound by the bureaucracy and politics that are associated with those things. So, like, for instance, you know, even for me, like not working at a division one, you know, division one program versus working at a community college, I get to work with the have nots. Like that's like my like my passion. Like that's where I, you know, I find my my um my why. And you know, I when I was at Division One, like there was an athlete that I really wanted that I felt really I I could change their lives, and one thing led to another, and I just couldn't work with them because they didn't get admitted.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's out of your control, man. It's just one of those things, it's it's tough to see that, and you are essentially under complete control from the organization above you, and it oftentimes doesn't lead to the best results for the athletes. And I've noticed with like that coach I mentioned prior, my internship coordinator, I still hear a little bit about what's going on at the school I used to go to, and they had a change in programming with like the football organization there. And as a result, the football coaches have kind of like come down to our coach, and he's been like, Oh, like we don't want these guys doing power cleans, we don't want these guys doing a lot of plyos, all this stuff. And I'm like, that completely contradicts my whole training philosophy, and you kind of have to follow along. If the sport coach comes to you, they want specific things for your athletes, you got to do your job. And even if it does contradict your philosophies and your beliefs, and you know it's not the best for the athletes. And it's sad to see it. And it's funny you mention that because it's literally something I heard about a few days ago where like the whole programming of that school, not from him, but from the sport coaches, has changed, and as a result, his programming has changed, and then the results of that not so good. So yeah, you um, like I said, you got to pick your battles. And I myself, I I have a lot more flexibility. I can work with who I want to work with, I can stay away from who I want to stay away from. Um, I can program everything for these athletes. I don't have to worry about any other coaches kind of coming in and changing the programming. Um, and the best part is I work entirely for myself, meaning if I don't want to work on a certain day for whatever reason, I can always do that. Whereas like there's some organizations, like I would see coaches get in at 5, 6 a.m. They don't leave till 7, 8 p.m. They're working with teams all day. I love it again, I'm passionate about it, but not that passionate.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yeah, well, it kind of even goes back to like what you're talking about with football and track, right? Like the you know, that high sense of, hey, it's on me, and I'd rather die on my own sword than work so really hard and be controlled or you know, misguided in another way. Yeah, no, that's yeah, that that track. So you're at least you're like I said, you're consistent on that one. Um a couple things I wanted to wrap up, get definitely get your opinion on. Uh, you know, um, you know, I'm I'm so thankful for being able to be able to connect with you again. I love the things that you do and kind of the the route that you're taking. Um, what's your take on, you know, um, I think it's a little bit overused now, but the concept of like trackflation and what your theory is and why these marks now are just like insane.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

It just Yeah, I've thought about this a lot recently because I'm only three years removed from collegiate competition. And I'm looking at like I'm looking at the like NCAA leaderboards for like D3, like who I used to compete against and like what marks I would have ran and where it would rank me today. And man, the the change, like so to give you an example, the NCAA D3 national championship, the 110 hurdle time that usually wins the meet, at least when I was competing, was like a 14-0, 14-1. You'd be very lucky to get sub-14. Now, at this year's meet about a month ago, there was like five or six kids sub-14. A kid won it with a 13-4, and that kid's PR is like a 13-25, 26. I could be wrong, um, which is crazy. That's a D3 athlete running a mid to low 13 in the 110 hurdles. Insane. Now, with trackflation as a whole, I think it's just a combination of a ton of different variables. I think for sure we know a lot more about training than we did 10 years ago. I think for sure a lot of athletes have more resources, whether it's like private training, whether it's investing in going to a specific school, nil, who knows? There's a lot of finances at play there and like politics in that sense of like you can be a 17-year-old athlete making millions of dollars running for a school just because of nil deals. So that leads to, as a result, more motivation to become an athlete. I think as a whole, we have more athletes than we did 10 years ago. Um, and I definitely do think genetics play a role. If you have athletic parents, it's likely you're gonna be more athletic than them, or at least as athletic. So I think there's definitely something to be said about that. As a whole, I just think the combination of all these different variables, like training, genetics, resources, it leads to kids in high school running 9.8s, which is unbelievable because just five or six years ago, or I may have been actually because I think this kid's still in high school, Matthew Bowling. Um, when he was in high school, I was in high school. I think he's around the same age as me, and he ran a 999, and the world freaked out about it. And now, like a 999, like that's nothing for high school kids, which is crazy. It's like that was just that was less than a decade ago. So, seeing it now, seeing um just the level in which some of these guys are competing at, I I've seen like D3 guys. Uh Sam Blaskowski, he he used to run it Wisconsin Lacrosse. He was a 100 guy, he's won like over 10 D3 national titles. I would compete, not against him, different event groups, but I would be at every national meet he would be at, and I'd see him compete. He went on to compete with uh I think it's called Star Athletics. He's competing with like Kenny Benderick, Christian Coleman. He's under that same training group. He's I think top five, top ten in the world right now. He ran a 989 recently, he just ran a 991. This is a D3 kid. So I don't know. I think when you apply all the right things and you have a good situation in terms of like training partners and training environment coaching, some incredible things can happen because I think that kid coming out of out of college, I don't think he I think he ran like a 10-0, maybe a 10-1 at D3, and then just a year later he runs a 1080 or 989, which is like insane. So yeah, I went on a little bit of a tangent there, but I think as a whole, a combination of a dump a bunch of different variables in a sense.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, like I again, I'm I think about it a lot as well and see what are some of the trickle trickle-down effects of it. Um, what do you think about this? With any level of inflation, there's a the potential of the bubble popping or bursting, right? Or at least some level of like plateau. Um, how do you see that playing out, or have you thought about that? Like when when is this this uh spike gonna at least level off?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Yeah, I uh I mean at the end of the day, human beings can only run so fast from point A to point B. So I do think we will continue to go up over the next decade, and I think eventually it's it's something that's hard to predict, but it wouldn't surprise me like 2030s, 2040s, we have more and more guys running consistent 9.5, 9-6, times like that in the hundred, fully natural. Now, I mention that because I know the enhanced games is a big thing that's gonna play a role in a lot of that. That's where you push that genetic potential. But in terms of like Olympic competition, it really wouldn't surprise me if in the next decade, like you have you guys got got guys like GoutGout, and I know there's a lot of controversy over his time. I don't know, but regardless, he's still running 20 point, 19 high, and he's 16, 17 years old. So there's definitely something to be said about the progression that can be had with younger kids, 17, 18 nowadays, 10 years from now. That kid Tate Taylor, he just ran sub 20 and he's competing in um like the diamond league or whatever. So it's it's gonna be interesting to see. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if at some point Usain Bolt's record falls and there's more guys running around that nine 9-5 range, low 19 range, and that's consistent. That's like a world final. So we'll see. I don't know. I it's so hard to predict.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Yeah, well, that's what it like. I was looking at uh going into like the NCAA championships with you know those sub-13 um hurdlers, you know. Then yeah, you have that 4299 four by four um 1060 young lady, 1063, I think, in the hundred. And it's like because like when I went to school, 1063, you were a legit male sprinter, like you were solid. Yes now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

I I forgot you reminded me Jacoby Tharp. He's running 1275 and he's 20 years old. So who knows what this will look like when he's 26, 27. Like, I know we saw what Grant Holloway did for as long as he did, and he's still in that conversation. I know he picked up an injury this past season, but he's gonna be out there competing against them. We'll get Devin Allen.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

back like it wouldn't surprise me if if maybe even this year or next year we see guys running 12-6 in the 110 hurdles which is it's unbelievable to even think about that but it's the level in which we're at now 20 year old and a 1275 unbelievable like nine touchdowns and all that like that's yeah yeah insane yeah I was um like I was the head coach for the junior um the junior worlds the U20 worlds when in Jacoby in watching him just abuse those 39 and turtles being able to like watch practice and be with him and and watch those and it's like that's yeah he's different this is yeah like he just was disrespectful to those 39 inch hurdles like they didn't stand a chance so yeah no he's a definitely a talent and just watching again like you brought up like Gal Gout and and all the young talent because when I think about trackflation now at least that it's not so much that everybody's getting better it's just the depth of elite or like that that next realm of performance like you said there's going to be more people doing it. Just that depth is just getting deeper and deeper um with people not finding limitations with their training. But um and and on that same note so how do you navigate the difference between um gimmick and something that you would associate with validity just because right now things move so fast and like there's everybody's trying to reinvent the wheel to some degree. So there are a lot of gimmicks out there but there are a lot of things that are legitimate and you know what we would consider valid and credible through from a research standpoint but you know as long as it takes to validate something through research like you might be missing the boat. So how how what's your process of like navigating that?

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Yeah man I think um I think at the end of the day results speak for themselves. So for example there's always like some controversy about the weight room and how it applies to speed development and like track and field. And you can just see like I just with my athletes I see like they get stronger in the offseason and I work on some things with them obviously in terms of technique but like just the offseason alone it's a four or five month period at least at like the collegiate level those guys will come into that next season way stronger and then as a result they have their best season ever and the training structure of the team they're working with was the exact same. The only difference was what they did in the offseason. So that alone you don't need studies to tell you that something worked and it had relation to the weight room whether you agree with it or not those are the results and that's nothing that's going to change. So I just see it a lot with my athletes and I pay attention to what has worked for an extended period of time for a wide variety of different athletes and I think that's kind of how I approach training in that sense of like the validity aspect of it. It's like if something's tried and trued and it's tested and it's worked for generations, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We'd see Usain Bolt in the weight room you see Asafapell in the weight room you see these high level guys you think they're just doing this by mistake they're just doing it for fun like there's clearly something to it. So yeah I um my end all be all approach to that is results speak for themselves. If you're promoting a training philosophy and there's no results to back it like I mentioned the movement cults earlier um then I I can't really apply that myself I don't see anything I don't see any merit with that so I um I try to just stay with what works and avoid what doesn't and make sure that I'm seeing what works has worked time and time again for a ton of different athletes different coaches you name it.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

So yeah it's it um because what I'm thinking about you know in wrapping up I want to you know appreciate your time for sure just because you I you've dropped in a lot of a lot of gems and insights but one thing that stands out to me is like your confidence and like betting on yourself like where do you get where do you get that confidence or where did that develop over time? Was it you know something you felt natural like what where do you get that from no this is kind of a funny story.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

So when I was younger and I was like early in high school late middle school like 12 13 14 15 range I really didn't have confidence I was a skinnier kid. I'm just naturally skinny I would see like kids my age uh essentially way stronger than me they're performing better in football basketball this and that I didn't have that confidence I had to craft it myself and fortunately enough with my high school track and field program they laid out the blueprint for me they really forced me to get in the weight room and I I took it seriously and as a result I would see myself get stronger I would see more muscle growth I'd feel better as a result of that and then you go again take it to the track and perform better. So again there's the applicable experience there like weight room to track but the the confidence was one of those things where I had to essentially prove it to myself that I'm capable of putting the work into something and seeing what the result can can be. So that's something where I I've heard the quote I think um I think it was Alex Hormozy a a big guy in the business space he said confidence is just stacking up a ton of undeniable proof that you're capable of doing something. Now I'm kind of paraphrasing that but you have to prove to yourself you're able to do it. And until you prove you're able to do it you're not gonna have it. So I would see I'm I've proven to myself at a young age I was able to get stronger. And then as a result of that I proved to myself I was able to run faster and track, win a sectional title, this and that and then from there go to college and I'm like okay I'm starting to stack up these accolades I can do this. As long as I put my work in and I put my foot on the gas I can do this. And then at the collegiate levels where that takes a huge step because then you're competing at around the country with different guys that are at the same level as you and you're beating them out because you put more work in or you had the better performance on that day. You had the better mindset you name it. That I think again it kind of ties into like what I was saying about like track and field teaching you a lot of good life lessons. I would just see the work I put in lead to me becoming a three time all American for example and that it definitely helps in terms of your ability to be confident and I see it with business today. If I spend more hours on a specific task it's likely the result of that task and the quality of it is going to be a lot higher. I think just knowing that you can do something that's the biggest thing because I see like a lot of young athletes and just young individuals they kind of feel hopeless in a sense and I myself was at one point and they've never proven that they're able to do something difficult and do something hard and they've never given themselves the chance to trust the process in a sense and then once you trust the process you see it pay off you see the damn break you get the results then the confidence now you know again you can replicate it. So I think the biggest thing with confidence is just proving to yourself that first time you're able to do something and something that is very sought after in terms of achievements once you do it once you just keep repeating it you climb that ladder.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

That's all that was at least my personal experience okay that's yeah that's a big less because like you said I think you you touched on a lot of really key things like stepping into heart making sure that you know you're self-aware enough to at least put yourself in a position to be successful. Yeah like so what is I guess you what would be your your key piece of advice like say for instance like you had to go back and talk to your younger self um as you're trying to navigate your athletic career and your journey um you know what's like maybe a core piece of advice you would give yourself coming out of high school I would say I would say stop caring so much about how you feel in terms of motivation and lean into the work ethic because even though it feels bad now in the future it's going to feel so much better when you've achieved X, Y, and Z.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Now I myself when I was younger and like I said 12, 13, 14, 15, I never worked on hard worked hard on anything. I I didn't have to in a sense I just was a regular kid going to school playing sports but I would never excel in sports. I would just see others better than me and I would chalk it up to like oh they're just naturally strong or they have better genetics this and that. And at the end of the day a lot of that is just BS. Of course genetics play a huge role in things but at the end of the day work ethic that's everything to me and I've seen it pay off I would tell myself that hey man like it's not going to be easy. It's not necessarily going to be fun but none of that stuff really matters. Do you want that goal or do you not lean into it lean into the discomfort lean into the hard times in a sense and then as a result everything will pay off so yeah I wish at a younger age I learned more about work ethic but fortunately enough I was young enough to wear it can pay off for me nowadays because there's a lot of people my age that still haven't gotten that so man oh no I love it for sure.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

And so um with that being said what what's on the horizon? Like what can people look forward to um from you in the next you know you know four or five years from now what are you planning?

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Yeah man you know something at least I try not to think too far ahead um but at least something within the next six months to a year I will soon be releasing a social media specific mentorship for other performance coaches strength and addition coaches because like we were talking about earlier it's not always a profession that rewards you financially you're gonna spend a lot of long hours in the gym and you may not get rewarded as a result. And you have a level of knowledge that can change lives you can get kids scholarships. You can do things that oftentimes are not possible in like a team based setting. So I'm essentially going to kind of lay out the map and lay out like the whole plan and which I put in place that helped me to get from point A to point B and help a whole generation of performance coaches that want to do kind of what I'm doing. So the main point of this mentorship is to be growing your social media presence building your personal brand and then as a result of that you can pick the way in which you want to monetize that. So I'm gonna have a ton of different lessons about monetizing with like partnerships, coaching, training teams you name it the main theme though is like how are we going to get you 50, 100,000 followers in a year, two years that's something that is life changing. It changed my life and even like I mentioned prior the other coach I was helping I'm seeing him work privately and train specific athletes that he never had the chance to train before he got into social media. So yeah the main thing at least in that in the the shorter time frame six to 12 months or so is that social media specific mentorship. It's gonna be a small group of people I work with and I want to make sure that this is something that works for them. So there's going to be a lot of trial and error and testing and changing things up if it's not working kind of like we were talking about with coaching. But that and then of course continuing with my one-to-one coaching with my athletes and making sure that they're getting the best in terms of their results on the track or the weight room or on the field, whatever it may be. So I have a lot in store and I'm slowly but surely putting this mentorship together. I'm trying not to rush it I'm about 25 to 30% done with it now. So hopefully by the end of summer this will be available to a small group of people but I do see it as something that can help a lot of individuals avoid the I guess troubles of kind of buying into a a team or a gym or whatever it may be. And then as a result they look pack and 10 years are gone they're like wow I could have done something with that time that elicited much better returns. So that's uh that's that's on the horizon. That's exciting no that's exciting that I think that's that's amazing just the fact that um being able to kind of almost uh package you know your lessons like a lot of the maybe the trial and errors that you had to go through and um you know all the things that you had to do to put yourself in a position to you know put you know you know be where you are today um yeah that's gonna that's so sounds like a lot of fun that's cool I love that um and we're so um with that being said what can where can people find you um how can they reach out to you your services things like that yeah at pretty much all platforms is just at Brett Moore's training uh you can go to my website Brettmore's training.com and get in touch with me with coaching so you can apply for coaching there um again that's just for performance coaching at this time just be development with the mentorship that's I'm not entirely sure yet how I'll do that but probably something similar regardless though get in touch with me at Brett Morse Training pretty much all platforms I will get back to you there and then I don't think I'm forgetting anything so that should be all all right well yeah hopefully maybe we get you on the master circuit you said you're a training right yeah I uh I think you have like three or four years left but uh we can get you that submasters group we can get going yeah I uh it's a funny thing because I like I said I still like training myself like an athlete and I I apply everything I apply to myself to my groups but I it's it's tough it's it's tough finding meets in my area it's tough just really locking in on the travels and paying for the meats paying for the hotel this and that it's like sometimes I question oh is it worth it but fortunately enough like I have access to performance tracking devices with like OBR performance. So I will still train my 40R dash and my 60 and my 100 and it may not be as fast as it would have been if it's competition coming out of starting blocks with a gun going off but eventually I think that will be something I do. Hopefully this summer I can enter a couple meets and just see where I'm at in terms of a 100 because yeah we'll see I I never ran the the open sprints specifically until now I always had the hurdles to deal with or the long jump or all these other obligations.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

So we'll see all right exciting well again thank you for your time other than that be uncommon. Thanks guys thanks man