Episode 34: R.C. Hannah - Author Interviews

A goat-eyed spacefaring civilization, an unexpectedly lovable AI orb, and a romance that never asks you to wade through spice just to get to the heart of the story. That’s the energy we bring to this chat with Canada-based sci-fi and fantasy author R.C. Hannah as we celebrate the Warforged audiobook release and dig into what makes plot-first LGBTQ romance so satisfying when it’s done with care. 

We also get real about the indie publishing side, including cover art and the growing problem of undisclosed AI art. R.C. shares a simple safeguard for authors: ask for step-by-step progress so you can see the work evolve. You’ll also hear what’s next for him, where to find his books and socials, and a fun final question that ends with a very specific fictional treat. Subscribe, share the show with a reader who loves LGBTQ sci-fi and fantasy, and leave a review so more listeners can find us.

Warforged:

Audiobook on Audible

GoodReads:

Death and Red Trilliums: 

Goodreads

Stranded Season 9: 

Goodreads

R.C.’s Links: 

https://www.rchannah.com/

https://www.instagram.com/r.c.hannah/

Voice Over, Mixing and Mastering Credits:

L. Connor Voice - Website

https://www.instagram.com/l.connorvoice/

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100095473899665

Music Credits: 

Louie Sanders, https://www.instagram.com/soundmonksound/

Transcript

Pride Month Welcome And Setup

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Well, hey, howdy, hello, how's it going, listener? It's Connor, and welcome back to Connor Reed's books. Happy Pride Month. Today we have an author interview for you. We're talking to R.C. Hannah, a sci-fi and fantasy writer who weaves LGBTQ romance elements into his stories. We talk about Warforged. It's an audiobook that we will be sharing a chapter of in the coming week, so keep an eye out for that. We also talk about RC's origins, writing, his experience publishing, and kind of his approach to writing in general. It's a really great episode for you, so I'm not gonna spend too much time in this here intro. Enjoy the conversation.

Meet R.C. Hannah And Warforged

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Today, joining me via virtual meeting is R. C. Hanna, a Canada-based author who has published two LGBTQ plus romance books set in fantasy, sci-fi, and fiction settings, Death and Red Trilliums, as well as Warforged. R. C and I are celebrating the release of the new audiobook, Warforged, and links for all the books and audiobook can be found in the episode notes. With no further ado, it is my pleasure to introduce to the show R. C. Hannah. R.C., how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:25

I'm doing great, enjoying some nice sunny weather for a change.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Yeah, up in uh up in Ontario, where are you in Canada? Nice. Yeah, right around. I uh have a sibling who lives in Montreal. Uh so yeah, they they say they don't get too much sun often. Uh I myself am in Tucson, Arizona, so I have plenty of sun to share.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

It's been a very long winter.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

It's nice to have some sun. Oh, absolutely. Can't wait for the summer. So thank you so much for making the time to come on the show today. I really appreciate you sitting down and taking the time to, you know, share some of your story and your inspirations with us. Um, and I guess, you know, let's just kick it

Insomnia Stories Turned Into Books

SPEAKER_02 2:10

off. Let's start at the beginning. When did you know that writing was the medium for you?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Uh, it actually didn't come to me until a few years ago. It storytelling had always been a way for me to combat insomnia. When I couldn't sleep, I would just tell myself these stories to try to like distract my brain. Yeah. And and eventually I had just told myself so much of these stories, I was like, I need to start writing them down. Right. And I'm I'm blessed to have the free time to invest in writing. So it just it worked, it worked really well.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Fantastic. Yeah. I I resonate with that a lot. Um when, you know, when I have trouble sleeping, I would notice like when I try to think, I'd be thinking about everything else going on in my life. But as soon as I think about, you know, like my game of Dungeons and Dragons, I'd be playing out like a light, you know?

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

So what was that process like to begin turning these sort of almost like bedtime stories that you were telling yourself into uh written works?

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Uh, it was rough at first. The first book took me almost two years to write. All right. And I didn't have an editor originally, so it was in rough shape. Right. Uh I was very lucky to find an editor to take this. Okay, I've written a book. Um, I've never done this before. I read a lot, so I know that it's not up to where it should be. And working with an editor, it was able to take the bedtime story that definitely had some holes, and coming out with a polished, finished product, and it's like, wow.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yeah, absolutely. No, it's awesome what like a good editor can do for you is really sweet.

Sci-Fi Influences And Learning Physics

SPEAKER_02 4:04

So I guess you know, you have a lot of writings in this like fantasy and sci-fi setting. You know, what works, what video games, movies, books, or other things would you say have inspired your writing the most?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

So for Warforge specifically, I the Mass Effect trilogy, the storytelling in that franchise has always been one of my favorites. And I grew up watching Star Wars, so I've always been sort of a bit of a space nerd. Nice. And it just felt like the perfect setting to have anything be possible. Yeah. Well, still trying to keep a little bit of realistic science.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

I learned a lot. I learned a lot about physics writing that book.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Right. That's awesome. Yeah, I I think that's a lovely thing about like sci-fi and fantasy, it's just like the endless possibilities, you know. It's a wide, wide universe where anything can happen. Yeah. So, you know, makes sense. Um yeah, and I've I've never played Mass Effect. I've heard such good things about it. You know, I've dabbled in other RPGs and stuff like that, but I've heard really good things. I guess it's just hard for me to jump on that train right now, you know, running a business and playing video games kind of clash at times.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

I highly recommend it. It's some of the best storytelling you'll find anywhere. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Yeah, I'll uh I'll I'll check on Steam. I'll see if we got a Steam sale coming out sometime soon. Uh but I I also resonate with video games being a great place to to get that storytelling, you know, it's just so immersive. Um and so like I I love a video game with a good story. Anyway, moving on.

Why Romance Fits High Stakes]

SPEAKER_02 5:56

In your opinion, what makes the zombie apocalypse and or an intergalactic war the perfect setting for romance?

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Um, I think in both situations it sort of forces people into a bit more of a confined scenario. Right. Like in sp in space, you're limited by more often than not a ship of some kind or smaller settings. And in the zombie apocalypse, your world is shrunk down. Right. And so I just find that it creates a lot more space for intimacy without needing to sacrifice plot in the process. Yeah. That makes sense. I don't I don't set out to write romance first. I set out to write a story first, and romance is almost always the B plot for me. Gotcha. I just it's so many books that I grew up reading, like the Hunger Games and stuff, the romance was not the main plot. It sort of was an organic result of the story being told. And I wanted to do that as well.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Yeah, absolutely. And I think you do a good job. Um, absolutely. And that also makes sense. You know, you can't you can't just hop out of a uh out of a spaceship whenever you want, you know?

unknown 7:15

No.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

You're stuck with the people you're stuck with for however long it takes to get where you're going.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Uh yeah, exactly.

Writing Faster With Better Systems

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Well, let's uh let's pivot and let's talk a little bit about Warforged. So you mentioned that with your first book, um, Death and Red Trilliums. It took you about two years to write. How was the process of writing Warforged different? Was it shorter or it was shorter?

SPEAKER_00 7:39

It only took me a year to write Warforged because I had figured out what systems work for me, what support I needed when, what steps to take at what point. So it it was half the time, and that's what I'd set out once I've Death and Ruchillions was done, and I knew what book I was gonna write next. I said I need to do this within a year. That's the timeline I'm setting for myself. And I made it by three days. It's nice. Fantastic. Cut it close, but no, it's the more you write, the easier it gets.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Right. Would you um would you extrapolate on that, please?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

So with like I use the same editor for all of my projects. So he's gotten to understand my writing style and doesn't have to ask as many questions or hash out as many things with me because he's able to see something and go, I know why you're doing this, or I know why this isn't working, a lot easier than getting to know my writing style. And having beta readers from the first book that I was able to go back to and go, okay, I have another book for you. I know you guys are good, I know what you guys, your timeline looks like, and I know what kind of feedback I'm gonna get. So it's just having the right supports makes a huge difference in sort of expediting the process.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense, you know, to like sort of relate. Like every time I start an audiobook, I have to get used to the author's writing style, you know, and like the certain cadence. Um, so that totally makes sense that like editors and beta readers would also like wouldn't uh it would make sense that having the same beta readers and the same editor would make things a little smoother um when making a story, when writing a story.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Even the cover artist, having the same cover artist, you understand each other's style and what you're looking for. And even that process just gets so much smoother.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, absolutely. And and I guess, you know, let's almost pivoting a little bit away from Warforge, what was, you know, what was the process like finding an editor and like building this network um to help with these creative projects?

Finding Editors Betas And Artists

SPEAKER_00 9:52

So I'm I'm lucky to have people in my social circle that sort of already do that.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Uh my beta readers are just like people that I know in my life that read a lot. Because then and they're people that read different kinds of things, so I'm able to get a varied feedback instead of all from one type of reader. Right. So I can see what works for some, what work doesn't work for others, and sort of find a middle ground, or just know what kind of readers I'm not going to bring in with a certain type of book.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Uh and I, the editor that I've you I've used, um he typically deals with like medical stuff and hasn't done a lot of fiction editing. But he's like, because he's so used to medical papers, the details matter so much and he's just incredible at it.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Nice. That's so interesting. Yeah, how that interdisciplinary uh skill would translate.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

But even my my cover artist, he's a comic book illustrator. The first book he'd ever done was mine. So it's just about finding people that have a passion for what they do and seeing how far they're willing to sort of push out of their comfort zone.

unknown 11:03

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

And I think that's where you really do find the the gems.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Absolutely. And, you know, for listeners out there who are, you know, writing their own books and they want to like get in touch with an editor or also find an like uh an I won't say animator, an artist, a visual artist. Uh what would be some um what would be some tips or tricks that you would give them?

Cover Art Proof And AI Concerns

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Um with cover artists, because I know a lot of uh authors are struggling with AI art being sold to them without that being like upfront about it, and then they've paid money and they end up with something that they can't even use.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Uh with cover artists specifically, you want to be getting like updates at every stage. Like you want to see the work being done at each step. All of the little like, okay, how are we for composition? What kind of color palettes are we looking at? Let's look at a few options.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Because if you just if you go, this is what I want, and they go, okay, I'll deliver you a finished product, you don't know what the process was. Right. And that's just in the author world, that's what I hear a lot of people struggle with is AI use in their creative projects that isn't disclosed up front. Even editing.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah. Dang. Yeah, that's it's you know, AI is real big now, just getting bigger.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

It is, it has its uses, but it shouldn't be a substitute for creative ventures, and it shouldn't be something that's being like backdoored to people that totally are paying for something that's not what they're actually receiving.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Totally. I uh yeah, you definitely need someone who's upfront about that. That makes a ton of sense. That'd be so dis so disappointing to to find an artist you think is actually doing this art themselves and uh and it's not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

No. And readers aren't dumb. They can spot AI in projects a mile away and they won't touch it. Rightfully so.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Yeah. I mean, it makes sense, you know. Why don't we uh stop replacing artists and you know, like replace a CEO?

unknown 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

I'm fully on board for that. You know, what what are they doing besides analyzing data and making decisions, if that. So anyway, let's move let's move

Building The Trask From Goat Eyes

SPEAKER_02 13:25

on. Uh so what was your inspiration for the race of the trask in Warforged?

SPEAKER_00 13:36

So it's kind of silly, but so to lay the groundwork. The idea that I had but behind Warforged was we as humans evolved from primates. That's sort of like our common ancestor. Can you trace that back? And my thought is what other life forms, if we trace back to their root, could evolve alongside us at the exact same rate? And what would that look like? Right. And I chose goats as the base of the trash just for their eyes. Nice, yeah. The rec the rectangle pupils. I was like, I I'm gonna turn that into an entire spacefaring civilization. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

They have such interesting eyes for sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

They do. Yeah, my sister it was really that simple. It was what's something unique that I can just what's gonna hook me? And I said, those those eyes.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Those eyes, they're so captivating.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Yeah, my sister has some goats, and yeah, sometimes, you know, you just stare into their eyes for hours. You know. It it is strange. It feels really strange. That's fun. And you know, I think it's really fun too that like or rather, I I'd like to sort of applaud you in the way that you chose a basis for building this race based off of just the eyes. Yet everything that kind of follows with them, like their culture and their architecture, like all seems so well wrapped and like developed from from goats, you know. So I think that's that's really awesome, you know, that it wasn't just rectangular pupils and like just run with that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

So it's just no, it's yeah, how would how would their culture evolve from where they started? And I mean, there's goats that stand on the sides of cliffs just to lick the salt. So yeah, they probably don't need a lot of stairs.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

True. Yeah. Just something that has a slight, just the slightest incline.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, they're fine, they got it.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Yeah, and they're super sturdy. That's for sure. Yeah, uh, it was it was a really fun book. That was a really fun book to read and perform. I had a blast.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

So you did a really good job, so thank you.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I appreciate it, I appreciate it. So uh the next question I have for you is you know, I feel like there is an obvious answer, which would be everybody, but to maybe get a little bit more specific, who would you hope picks up this book and what do you hope they take away from it?

Queer Romance Without Mandatory Spice

SPEAKER_00 16:14

So one of the big motivators for me to write is that most queer fiction is written by women, which is fine. Yeah, no issues with like I don't have a problem with that, but I find that it leaves a lot of queer voices unheard.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

And a lot of queer fiction is written spicy. Absolutely. And there's not a lot of just queer stories out there. So my target audience is people that want the like experience of reading any book without having to necessarily have that spice as something that's just packaged in.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

That's not like that's not the intention of writing the story. And that's the feedback that I've gotten at events that I've done is that these are books that are very uncommon to find in the genre, and people are like so happy to have that option.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Totally, totally. And you know, that's that makes like a really good you make a really good point, you know. And I guess I haven't really considered that at all, that a lot of like queer books would have a lot of spice in it. So that's and that what am I trying to say? And maybe I'll just lose this train of thought because that happens to me.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

I mean, to give you even more context, it might help. You look at the success of Heated Rivalry. Yeah. It was like the number one TV show for like of in the world for like four straight months. Yeah. The books have sold like crazy, but they are insanely spicy books.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

And those like that's sort of the like standard for books in that genre is that level of spice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

No, I can that makes that really helps me get my train of thought back on track. Cause yeah, I think, you know, they're and I I can't I can't claim to be an expert before I say this, but like I do see how it would be so important to have books that don't like overly sexualize characters too. Um, and like, you know, overly sexualize the queer community in that way through that, um, you know, just through a lot of spicy scenes. And I think there is something that can be very like natural and and heart-touching when it is just like it's an organic love. It doesn't have to be, you know, super spicy and raucous and like in your face. Like it's it makes me think of the quote um from Gandalf where he was just saying, like, good is the small everyday things we do. And so just showing the small, slow burn like love budding that just feels very organic, it's very relatable, and it doesn't have a like a high bar for entry. You don't need to be okay with Spice to be able to enjoy a queer romance. So I I do see that as super important.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Yeah, and I mean with Warforged, I sort of wrote everything out of order anyway, and the like the traditional sense, like they didn't do things in the way that they were supposed to do them, and it worked for them. Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

And and so that's curious. Um, when you say you you didn't write it in order, like what was your writing process like? Did you have like a sort of outline? Were you a little bit more seat of your pants? What were you uh what was that process?

Hybrid Outlines And Character Pivots

SPEAKER_00 19:50

I'm a bit I'm a bit of a hybrid author. I write an outline, okay, but it's not like super fleshed out. Gotcha. And the point to get the to the different points, it is a bit of seat of my pants, and sometimes the characters decide the story is gonna go in a different direction, and I have to pivot as that happens. Nice, yeah. They take up they take on a life for their own as you're writing them, and you get to a point in your outline where you're the character has grown as you've w written them, they go, This isn't what they would do at this point now. That's not how they would act. It's out of character for them to continue following what I've written for them. So let's see where they want to go. Right. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Was there a particular moment in the book that you remember almost like catching yourself like off guard with the pivot? And if you'd like, we can put a spoiler warning here uh if you want to share something like more in detail.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

When I well, when I set out to write the book, um, Al was not the character that they ended up being. Okay. I'd actually had them just sort of like almost as an exposition device early on, because it was my first real heavy sci-fi venture, and I thought that they would be a great tool to do that. But Al sort of ends up being the heart of the book.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

And it was one of those, like, oh, I have to go back now and change how I've written this character because this is the character that people are probably going to latch on to the most.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

And that's what ended up happening is that people have fallen in love with Al. Yeah. Al's great. The only good use of AI.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, absolutely. Being the bridge between civilizations. Yes. No, and and that is really wonderful. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

We got to we got to see Al sort of humanize over the course of the book as well. And that was a beautiful thing to write.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Yeah, absolutely. No, there's a lot of heart in that little AI orb, for sure. So it's very, very sweet. A really fun character to play, and just like a really great character to read. Yeah, so it was a ton of fun. So I wanna I want to ask another question. I didn't write it here for you, and I know we kind of brushed against the topic.

Start Writing Then Cut What Fails

SPEAKER_02 22:23

But uh for those folks right now who want to write a story, they they want to get started, they have an idea, but they don't really know where to begin or what resources to find, uh, what would you have to say to them? What advice would you have?

SPEAKER_00 22:39

If you've got the idea in your head, just start writing down writing from that point. Don't worry about if it's if that's the beginning, if something comes before, where it's gonna go. Write what you have in the moment. Sometimes you have your what your idea turns out that, oh, this is actually the middle of the story.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

And as you're writing that out, you sort of figure out what both of the bookends of that moment look like.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

But if if you never start writing, you won't get anywhere. You just have to start. It's going to be terrible. Your first draft is going to be gibberish. Yeah. You may have to put just things in brackets like write entire scene that makes sense here because you don't know what is going to go between these two moments.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

But you have to you just have to start somewhere. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Absolutely. And and you know, I think a lot of people when starting something new, it's hard to it's hard to start at the bottom. It's hard to start and not be quite as good as you'd like immediately.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yes. But and my biggest my biggest piece of advice is to not get attached to what you've written. My my my latest release when it went to my editor, it came back. We cut out 80,000 words. Wow. And it was it was a lot of words, but the book is better for it. So you write, and you're gonna have to write a lot because you're gonna end up needing to take stuff out. You're gonna you're gonna repeat yourself, you're going to exposition jump, or you don't really need it. You're going to overexplain an emotion instead of letting the character just live in it.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

So don't get attached to what you've written as like individual words. Get attached to the project.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Nice. I like that a lot. That's great advice. Well, RC, thank you so much for coming on the show. I have a few more questions before we let you

New Release Pride Events And Links

SPEAKER_02 24:39

go. Um, and so one of these questions is what's next for you? Uh, any events you're attending or upcoming releases you're comfortable sharing with us?

SPEAKER_00 24:48

So I've recently released my third book, uh, Stranded Season 9. It's was my attempt at a conventional romance and turned out not being one because that's just not what I write. Right. But uh it's a fun little reality television romance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Oh, that's fun. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Thank you. It took me six months, so I am getting my my my writing optimized.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Absolutely. Chopping down by 50% each time. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Probably gonna be the shortest I get, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

A book in three months might be a bit of a challenge.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

Yeah, I'd burn out too quick. And then as as for appearances, I've got a couple of uh like stuff over Pride. I do almost every summer. I get booked for like Pride stuff, signings, readings. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Um, well, great. And if you have any links for that, uh folks, those will be in the episode notes. So go ahead, check out the episode notes, find RC Hannah's books and the events they're attending. Um, all right. So for those, well, uh this maybe this is redundant at this point, but you know, that's why I should have an editor. Uh for the for those who want to read your works, hear more of your insights, or follow you online, where can people find you?

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Uh well, I have my website has links to all of my books, audiobooks, uh, I have my Instagram and TikTok under the same name, just RC Hannah. And I mean, I occasionally stream on Twitch just to mix it up, find new readers.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Right, totally. Great. Well, we will also have links to those in the episode notes. So again, folks, if you want to follow RC, see what he's up to, go ahead and check out the episode notes and follow the links. All right. Well, again, RC, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Uh, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me about your processes and and the stories you've written. I've had a lot of fun chatting today. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Now I want to ask one more question.

Butterbeer Choice And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_02 27:09

You have the chance to eat a meal either described in a book or in a movie.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

What meal are you eating? That's a really good question. Thank you. I save the hard hitters for the very end.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Uh well, from somewhere outside of my own writing universes.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Um the butterbeer from Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

I uh I want to try that. That would be the the fantasy uh drink of choice. I don't know why. It's just always been one of those like, I want to try this. Yeah. I mean, I think like butterscotch soda, butterscotch beer. Like, what is it? I want to know. I want to try it.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Exactly. I mean, I love butter, I love beer. You put those two things together. Uh nothing sounds bad in this combination. Absolutely. Well, perfect. Well, RC, that finally that's the last question I have for you. So thank you again. And folks, again, go check out the episode notes, go read the books, go listen to the books, follow RC, and until next, we turn the page. To to Lou. Well, hey, welcome back. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with RC Hannah. RC, thank you so much for coming on the show today. We really appreciate it. And by we, I mean me. I, you know, I'm just one guy. Uh but maybe, you know, for the listener, we appreciate it. Yeah, the listeners appreciate you, man. So thanks for coming onto the show. And uh yeah, folks, I really hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did. Um go ahead, check out the episode notes, check out RC's writing, check out Warforce, check out the audiobook. RC's Writing, My Voice, no downsides. So go check out the episode notes, and you will find the links right there for you. Uh, also be sure to check out the Pride event links for RC and some book signings. We'll have those in the episode notes. Check that out. Alright, folks, thank you so much, and now let's roll some credits. This has been Connor Reeds Books. I hope you enjoyed the episode. If you have, please share and leave a review. Feel free to check out my social medias at L.Connor Voice. Links in the episode notes. A big thank you to Louie Sanders, the producer of the Connor Reeds Books theme song. Until next, we turn the page to the Lou.