SWHT Lindsey Shaffer, I Want My Daughter Back!

 The Secret World of Human Trafficking, hosted by David J. Story, featuring guest Lindsey Shaffer. Shaffer recounts events surrounding a Colorado Child Protective Services (CPS) case that began after her daughter’s birth in May 2014. She describes why she sought CPS involvement, her experience completing various programs, and her allegation that a CPS case manager’s actions contributed to her daughter being taken out of Colorado in October 2015 and later ending up with the father’s family in North Carolina. Throughout, Shaffer characterizes the process as involving improper or fraudulent practices and explains the steps she says she took to seek help from authorities and other organizations. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Welcome back to the secret world of human trafficking. I'm your host, David J. Story. I'm also the author of the Omega book series. We have a very special guest today. Her name is Lindsay Schaefer, and she's got a very interesting story to share with us today. So let's get started. Well, Lindsay, uh tell us a little bit about yourself.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Um well um I had my daughter um May 18th, 2014, and I ended up opening up um a child protective service case and calling into CPS to ask for their help and assistance after my daughter was born because we were living, me and my he's now my ex-husband. We were living with his parents at his parents' house with um biological brothers, uncles of my daughter. So they were fighting pretty much like throughout my whole entire pregnancy. They were physically fist fighting and stuff like that, um, the biological uncles, and I had to contact CPS to get involved. Um, mainly my main reason for calling them and asking them for help was um to try to get protection orders against the uncles. And so, but that ended up going the exact opposite after the CPS case started. Um, they ended up not helping and putting me like kind of like through like a bunch of fire hoop programs for three years of the CPS case. Um, the case manager that was involved, and um she did a bunch of like fraudulent type things during the CPS case because I found out later like that the 18 or 20 different programs that she was sending me to was not on the Colorado court's family child treatment plan. Um and so uh I found that out after the CPS case ended and looking over the court's parent-child treatment plan that none of the programs that she sent me to were on any of those court, you know, paperwork for the um parent-child treatment plans that were needed for me to get my daughter back. And uh I held down two apartments during the CPS case. I had like three jobs. And um one day she just she held me in what's called like a parent-child interactional building. Um, and she uh she said sign these stack of papers. You know, I didn't think of anything of it. You know, it was a it was the end of the day on um one of the programs that she sent me to, and she said, sign these 50 to 100, look like 50 to 100 stack papers. And we were in a building that had like cameras watching us. And uh, you know, I signed them and she said, if you didn't, if you don't sign these stack of papers, then your daughter's gonna go uh into back into foster care this night. And I didn't want that for my daughter because a lot of the times foster care families aren't really safe. No I signed the stack of papers. Huh?

SPEAKER_00 4:00

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

You know, they get Yeah, uh I signed the stack of papers and then me and my daughter went home, and then a week later she chose to open up a court case to have my parental rights removed, and this was about like after three years of the CTS case happening.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

Why did she do that?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

And then my daughter, huh?

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Why did she do that? Uh I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

But um that's what she did. Um, after, you know, I signed a stack of papers and parent-child interactional building. Uh, she chose to do that. Um, and then my she got um Candace Wood, which is the name of the CPS case manager that did all of these things um during the CPS case. She got my ex-husband's side of the family involved to come out and get my daughter and um took my daughter to an airport a week later on the same day, it would be October 16th, 2015, when my daughter left the state of Colorado. But this happened the same day that I was having my gallbladder removed at a hospital. Um in my book, I talk about my book, The Missing, that I wrote and published recently. I talk about multiple ways how I believe Candace child human trafficked my daughter. During the whole entire CPS case for three years, she had me taking my daughter. What Candace said that I had to do, that again was not court-ordered, it was not on the court's family treatment plan, was I had overnight visits with my daughter. And I had partial custody of my daughter through a minute order that the babies, my daughter's guardian at Lydum gave me, and the court, Colorado courts gave me, saying that I have partial custody. But I would have overnight visits with my daughter, and then Candace would order me to go take my daughter to another foster care family the next day. Just a random foster care family. Like she would go pick out a random foster care family, and I would have to go take my daughter to a foster care family the next day. And she would do this every other day for like three years straight. And I didn't think that that was normal behavior for case managers to do that. That sounds like a case manager that would be desperate to try to adopt a baby or a child out to someone, to like a foster care family and stuff like that. And she almost did do that. There was one foster care family that was very close to the lines of adopting my daughter. And I did some type of like an appeal thing, either through the CPS office or the courts, to prevent my daughter from being adopted through this foster care family. But it very much feels like she was eager to do that to try to get my daughter with any foster care family. When I held down, I had like two different apartments during the past three years of the CPS case. So that's one way how I believe that she child human trafficked my daughter. And then the other way was I wrote out a report on other things of how she child human trafficked my daughter, but I can't really remember what's in the report. I put the report in my book. But it's like if she wanted me to bring my daughter to another family every other day, it's like what was her motive behind that? You know, because I would think that she would have to have some type of a motive to be doing that. And then another way that I believe that she was child human trafficked was I got a hold of the DHS Inspector General, which I put in my book, The Missing, explaining the report of how my daughter was child human trafficked, and the DHS Inspector General got back in touch with me and she said, Good job, Lindsay, for pointing all of this stuff out. It does look like your daughter was child human trafficked, and we will do everything in our power to investigate this thing for you, this whole situation. And then they never got back in touch with me about anything. And uh the DHS Inspector General gave me, and people that worked under the DHS Inspector Give General gave me other people and organizations to go around to help me figure out why my daughter was placed where she is, instead of them actually helping me, which I don't understand because you know the DHS Inspector General said that they were supposed to investigate stuff and figure things out. And so I want to say that the woman that they sent me to, the DHS Inspector General sent me to, I think her name was Jessica, but I I put down her name again in my book. But it's like none of those organizations and those people ended up helping me. They just kept sending me to other like other wild goose chase hunts. And then I reported everything a hotline, I reported it to uh trafficking hotline, and all the information that I sent them about my daughter being child human trafficked and the way she was taken out of Colorado, all the information that I sent them, they gave me a case number, a case ID number uh for an investigation, and that makes me believe that my daughter was child human trafficked. And so and the fact that like that I believe that Candace had me sign 50 to 100 stacks of paper that I didn't know it was that I was signing makes me think that that's a form of adoption fraud. And so I put all of this stuff in my book, The Missing, and my daughter's just sitting clear across the country, like with another family right now. And I'm just like, what in the world? You know, I mean, it's not like I I feel like today that my daughter's adoption is like a voided adoption. Everybody keeps saying it's a closed adoption, but everything in my head goes back to thinking it's avoided adoption, like with how they handled everything.

SPEAKER_05 11:00

And that's that's just what I think pretty much through this whole thing. Well when was the last time you saw your daughter?

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Um around the week of October uh sixteenth, twenty fifteen.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Um I saw her. Over ten years. Yeah, like a probably about five days ago before she was taken out of the state of Colorado, I would say. Or no, it would have been, I think, the previous day, I'm not sure, but within that week I definitely saw her, you know, before she was taken out. Um, and uh what I found out later, again, after the CPS case closed, was um a year later, it was my daughter was taken out of Colorado October um 16th, 2015, but my parental rights weren't removed till April 14th, 2016. So it was a year later by Judge Timothy. And the reason why I know this information is because my um CPS uh assigned attorney, state attorney, sent me email confirmation documents saying your parental rights were, I believe, wrongfully terminated April 14th, 2016. She sent me this stuff through email. But my daughter wasn't taken out. When my daughter was taken out of Colorado a year before all of this, like October 16th, 2015, while I still had like a custody minute order saying that I have partial custody.

SPEAKER_05 13:04

So yeah, I I think that a lot of unfortunately I feel like like a lot of fraud type stuff happened through this whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

And yeah, like I I don't think that she should be where she's at today.

SPEAKER_05 13:22

Where is she?

SPEAKER_01 13:24

She's up in North Carolina, my ex-husband's side of the family.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Have you tried contacting them?

SPEAKER_01 13:33

No. No, because I feel like that they I feel like that the family that took my daughter um aided and abetted in my daughter being kidnapped. Because uh can't um around the week that my daughter was taken out of the state of Colorado, Candace, who is the case manager that was involved in all of this stuff, made what was called a goodbye gathering at Chucky Cheeses up on, I think, North North Academy, Colorado Springs. And she did this with me, and then she did this with herself and the the family that took my daughter. And I'm I'm gonna go ahead and say their names because I put their names in my book anyway, but their names are Melissa and Curtis. And so Candace made what's called a goodbye gathering meeting for all of us at Chucky Cheeses, and I agreed to go to it. But my primary reason for going to it was to confront Curtis and Melissa and ask them not to take my daughter out of the state of Colorado. Um, and this was a week before my daughter was taken out, and I waited for Candace. Candace got up and stepped away, and then I confronted Curtis and Melissa, and I said, please don't take my daughter out of the state of Colorado. I have an apartment for me and my daughter. I have two jobs. I'm doing all of the programs that DHS CPS Candace wanted me to do. Please don't take my daughter out. And Curtis was in the background laughing about it. And Melissa, she just kind of looked down and rolled her eyes, like put her head down like this. Like this whole situation is so messed up. But um think I don't think everything is legal. I I think that they didn't handle things correctly and they did a bunch of things fraudulently. And my daughter shouldn't be there today. And I think like everybody in the state of Colorado will say it's a closed adoption. But it's like, okay, but how could it be a closed adoption if I believe that there was child human trafficking and adoption fraud? And my parental rights were, I believe, wrongfully removed a year later, like after my daughter was taken. It's like this whole thing doesn't seem legal at all, you know, for everything.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Well, you yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

You listed some programs that they had you uh attend or go through. What what were those programs for?

SPEAKER_01 16:17

It was they were parent-child, it was a mix of multiple different things. So in my head, thinking about it, mentally thinking about what those programs are, they were parent-child interactional counselors. Some of them were just regular parent counselors, some of them were mental health counselors, and it was just a mix of all of those different things. And she at the beginning of the CPS case, Candace that was the case manager, she actually sent me and my ex-husband from Colorado Springs up to Denver, Colorado. It was like an hour and a half away, two hours, like in driving distance. She sent both of me and my ex-husband to a mental health counselor out in Denver. And me and my ex-husband passed with flying colors for that appointment. Um but again, it's like all of those things weren't even on the Colorado courts parent-child treatment plan. So I don't know. I'm just like shocked, left in the blue with all this stuff, you know, left in the dark with all this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

Like that's why I wrote a book about everything.

SPEAKER_05 17:37

Yeah.

unknown 17:39

You know.

SPEAKER_05 17:40

How old were you was your daughter when they took her? Two. Two.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

So she's what uh thirteen now, somewhere around 13.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

I think she's 12. I think she's about 12 right now. Um but yeah, she barely started walking. And then um right when they took her out of Colorado, I was getting I was getting my gallbladder removed at a hospital um on October 16th, two October 16th, 2015. Um, I was getting my gallbladder removed over at a hospital. Let me think here, what was the name of this hospital? Yeah, and someone walked in saying, Your daughter is about to go to the airport to get taken out. And I actually told them right before I went into surgery to get my bunk, my gallbladder removed. It's like, stop them. They're doing things that are like illegal, fraudulent, you know, style. I don't even know who came in and said that. Just some random person came in and said that. God, I'm not sure. I think I believe it was Penrose Hospital that day. And then what I don't understand behind this whole entire thing was she took my daughter to an airport. And how was my daughter able to get past security and board the plane? Because I I didn't give anybody Candace prior to her taking my daughter to the airport, she would ask me for my daughter's birth certificate and social security card, state ID, and stuff like that. And I refused to give it to Candace, so I never gave it to her. So it's like, how were they even able to get my daughter on the airplane? You know, past security. That's I don't get that.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

It just remains a mystery to me.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

The rules are for a child two years though, what they have to approve as far as identification. Now it's probably a lot, but you know, back then I have no idea. Have you tried contacting the authorities in South Carolina and have them look into it?

SPEAKER_05 19:53

Um yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Yes, in multiple different ways. Over the years, I contacted some police officers, can't remember their names, told them what was going on that my daughter shouldn't be where she's at today, um, due to the reasons, you know, explaining here. And I felt like it was just kind of disregarded. I think one of the officers said, Well, what do you want me to do about it? There's nothing I can do. Um, and they just dropped everything and didn't do anything about it. And then at one point, I remember I sent kind of a like a 50-page report in the mail um to the FBI out in North Carolina in regards to what happened to my daughter. And I wanted, I believe that the FBI in in North Carolina is in Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina, but I'm not 100% sure. I just remember that I sent them a packet in the mail to wherever the FBI is at out in North Carolina, and they were non-responsive. And in my book, The Missing, I also say like all of the law enforcement officials that I've spoken to, and all of the organizations that I've tried to reach out to, and it's like I feel like everything is just constantly always swept under the rug.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Nobody does anything, nobody they don't say anything or respond or give you a reason.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

They don't get back to me on anything. No. They don't call me back, they don't say that they're working on anything, they just drop a ball on stuff.

SPEAKER_05 21:52

And um 2023 Um during my

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Um, because I, you know, I did an investigation on everything on my own. That's how I was able to put the book together for my daughter um, you know, being kidnapped and missing the way that she went missing. Because I did a a full-on investigation on everything, and I found out, you know, after the CPS case ended, I found out that Candace, uh the case manager involved in all of this, and um Curtis and Melissa, they all three came back with criminal backgrounds that they were involved in criminal activity.

SPEAKER_05 22:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah, all three of them. And then 2023, huh?

SPEAKER_00 22:43

How'd you find out how you find out about their criminal backgrounds?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

They were going on an investigation website where you could pay to have look up people's criminal backgrounds and stuff. Stuff like that. So that's what I did because I was curious. And they all came back positive with criminal backgrounds.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

What what kind of criminal backgrounds did they have?

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Well, Candace came back with a criminal background of drinking and driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol back in 2010, an assault on an officer. And that was the case manager that was involved in my CPS case. And um, if anyone were to visit her uh Facebook page, the CPS Case Manager Candace, there's pictures of her going to parties and nightclubs and drinking alcohol and stuff like that. And so that's stuff that she has done. And it makes me nervous because as a mom and a parent, it has made me nervous that she's been involved in all of that because during the three-year CPS case, she would tell me to go put my daughter in daycare. Again, this was not court-ordered. She ordered me in order to get my daughter back, I have to put my daughter in daycare. So I found a daycare facility, a really good one through church, I was paying for. And the moment I put my daughter in daycare, Candace would go pick up my daughter from the daycare facility and go drive all around town with my daughter through the whole day, and then drop my daughter off at some random foster care family's house where I had to go pick up my daughter. And today, in my mind, that bugs me. I mean, it just it just bugs me the fact that she has that type of background. And she was doing that the whole entire time during the CPS case. And then I found out that Curtis and Melissa, Melissa came back positive with a criminal background, but it was marked as hidden, so it wouldn't tell me what she was involved in. But it said that she did come back positive with a criminal background. Curtis came back positive with a criminal background, and that one was that he was involved in putting in empty checks into his blank checks into his checking account. And another close friend of mine also did a background check on both Curtis and Melissa and found out that they had houses that were foreclosed on. So another confusing thing in my head is how does a family get picked out to take a child from CPSDHS if they have had multiple houses that were foreclosed on? So that, and then to back in 2023, I see photos on social media for Facebook and Instagram of Curtis and Melissa Bulgerin, as well as my own daughter, near guns and weaponry, like holding guns and stuff like that. And um one photo, it looked like my daughter was in some type of a dance pageant or beauty pageant because she was on stage in a skimpy outfit, like what looked like she was half naked at age two on stage in a tutu.

SPEAKER_05 26:35

Um and photos of their own kids also half naked, which was very concerning and worrisome for me.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

And it just it really it hurts me emotionally, mentally, everything, that it's like law enforcement and government can't be investigating all of this, or if they are, they don't tell me about it. I know that we live in a world that's not fair, but I feel like this whole thing goes beyond not being fair. Um, that it's very cruel in a way. Like what happened to me and my daughter, and like how people are handling things. Yeah, but so that's about it, pretty much, with everything. So uh, you know, I wrote that book, and then my second book, and then my that was for my first book, The Missing. My second book, Imperium Conflictus, also partly talks about um how my daughter was also kidnapped. Well, I believe she was kidnapped. But it my second book, Imperium Conflictus, more so talks about my spousal support case and my disability case for uh past 14 years since 2014 in Colorado and not being approved. And I think that there's government state fraud behind those things not being approved. And and there's a there's a high possibility, like upon me investigating and figuring everything out, there's a high possibility that I believe that the state of Colorado is simply not approving me for back pay for my spousal support case or my disability case because they don't want me to have the back pay to try to hire an attorney to get my daughter out of a messed up situation.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

Which is really sad to think about, but that's what I think is partly happening. Yeah. Well, you never know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

You never know. A lot of people have lost confidence and trust in our government. And uh it's you know, it's coming out every day. Uh, some politicians are doing this and that, that's uh against the law. They're really not doing anything to them. They're just turning the turning their head on it. Uh whereas just a normal person like uh you and me, you know we would be arrested and be put in jail. But these politicians and government officials, they get away with whatever they wanted to. Tell me about uh a little bit about your ex-husband.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Well, my ex-husband, it's really, really wild, I think wild and crazy what happened with him. So my ex-husband, he was a machine operator for many years. That's his main background, that's what he's done in the past. We came from Washington out to Colorado. And so when we first got together relationship-wise, you know, he made all of these promises to me saying that he wanted to start a family. Um, that he had high hopes for us, that those were the things that he wanted, that he wanted to have a family. I got to Colorado. And then it's like, and I put this I think at the very beginning of my book, The Missing, but I I literally feel like his personality changed and he became a completely different person after he found out that I was pregnant. And um, you know, while I was pregnant, we were living actually at his parents' house with his brothers. They his brothers' biological uncles were fighting during nine months of my pregnancy. Um, but I don't, it's like he became a whole different person when I became pregnant because um we always tried to get an apartment together and kind of like pay 50-50 for like the rent and always help each other in different things in life with like insurance policies on the bank and cars, you know, and all the stuff that you know husbands and wives are supposed to help each other with.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Sorry. Sorry, this is hard for me to talk about. After I became pregnant, he did the opposite. How long were were you two married? We were married for three years.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

And when I filed for spousal support, I had my own apartment. I had when I filed for spousal support, I think it was six months before my daughter was taken out of the state of Colorado. And I had my own apartment, I had my daughter in my arms, I had, you know, the court paperwork saying that I had partial custody. And, you know, and I had also I had paperwork, I believe, signed by a judge saying that I was married for three years, which was the call qualifications of being able to get spousal support in Colorado is you have to be married three years or more to get on spousal support. And they denied me when I first asked for it. And, you know, for between my disability case and my spousal support case, I feel like I have been trying to get on both of those things for years, months, and years since 2014, just fighting the courts, giving them all kinds of documentation in Colorado. And I just get denied left to right for everything. Yeah, and I feel like that that one of the things that I mentioned in my second book, Imperium Conflictus, is when a state and the state government turns against an individual, because I feel like that that has happened to me. I feel like the state of Colorado has turned, government people through the state of Colorado has turned against me and denied me for various things that I feel like that I do qualify for that I should be on today. But part of my question to everybody in my second book for Imperium Conflict is talking about this is, and this is for anybody throughout the United States of America, if a person is put in this situation in any state across the United States, is there some federal courthouse that someone can go to outside of their state to seek proper justice, to ask for disability, to ask for spousal support, to ask for anything that they need and show documentation. Uh, nobody's been able to answer that so far, but I think that that's a good point to make, you know, to get looked into um by the government in general.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Well, you said you have joint custody, they're not re responding to that as far as allowing you to see your daughter.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Well, here's the I actually put this in my first book, The Missing. I actually filed something with the Washington federal courts for asking for custody, showing the Washington federal courts proof of everything that happened to my daughter, where she's at today, how I believe she's child human trafficked, things like that, saying that I do want custody, but I want I want the custody kind of to be on my family side. I want my family to adopt my daughter, and you know, kind of have it be an open adoption in a way where I can still be in my daughter's life. And it's not I can't forget the name of it. It's something guardianship. Like I could have guardianship of my daughter, but but physical custody remains with my family. That's where I believe my daughter should be because she's not in a safe situation today. And I explained this with the federal courts in Washington. And what and I believe that this happened a year or so ago that I filed this, and I put all this information again in my book, The Missing. And what ended up happening with that is a judge out in the federal courthouses in Washington closed out that court case, transferred it to call back to Colorado. It was open a week in Colorado, and then a judge just decided to close out that case and dismiss everything without giving me a valid reason why. And uh I think again that that was probably I'm thinking again that that's probably a corrupt judge that probably did that. But yeah, I tried. I've tried for custody. I even before the CPS case closed. For three years of the CPS case, I even fought the courts in Colorado. Please close out this CPS case. What they're doing is fraudulent, what Candace was doing is fraudulent. It's not making any sense what she's doing. Please close out the CPS case and give me back my daughter. And they would just dismiss everything and not listen to me.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

So is your daughter still in Austrian or does your ex-husband have custody?

SPEAKER_01 37:31

My daughter is is with that family out in North Carolina, my ex-husband's side of the family. So at least she's not in the calls and what this well, what the state of Colorado calls is a closed adoption, but I don't consider it a closed adoption. I don't consider it a closed case.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

She's not in uh foster care foster care now. No. No, not as far as I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Uh are you currently working or I know you said you had disability issues.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Um, it's very hard for me to work because I have too many health issues to be that are preventing me from working. I'm trying to write books and sell them. I'm trying to write books in hopes of putting them into bookstores to produce money. But that's kind of a 50-50 situation, if that's gonna work or not. And I hope that it does work. Um, but that's what I'm trying to do right now because again, the state of Colorado is being difficult with approving me for disability for like 14 years.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

I know it can be uh difficult sometimes to get get on disability. Uh well, tell us where we can find your books at.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

My books are on multiple platforms, so I currently sell my books on Payha, Amazon, Etsy. I can send you all the links to all where my books are later.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Please do, and I'll put them in the notes.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

But yeah, so are on all of those places, they're also on Google Play Store. I advertise them on Facebook Marketplace, but I'm also I'm striving to get my books into actual bookstores like Barnes and Noble and things like that. It's just I'm kind of in a process where I don't 100% know how to do that, but I'm still working on it. Um, and you know, I think it was March 2nd last month, I published, I wrote and published seven children's books.

SPEAKER_05 39:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

And that was really nice and fun. Yeah. So I got those. Uh they're all on those websites, the payhip, Amazon, Etsy, things like that. Um, I'm hoping to write a lot more books, hopefully in the future, to be released as well.

unknown 40:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

You know, send me uh you know send me where they're where you got them for sale and uh the names of the books, and we can see what we can do for you.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

All right. All right, sounds good. Alright. Alright, well sounds good. Well, you have anything else you want to add or or say before we leave? No, not at the not at this point, no.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

This is this is about it.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Thank you. Thank you for having me here and being able to explain everything of what my books are all about.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Well, uh enjoyed having you on the show, and uh hopefully things will, you know, soon work out for you and your daughter, and hopefully you you at least be able to to visit her, if not uh have custody.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

I would like that very much.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

I'm I'm sure you I'm sure you would. I'm sure you would.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

I miss her dearly every day. I miss her.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

I'm sure. I have two uh two boys and my myself, and of course they're grown men and they have children, so I got grandchildren, and they're pretty much grown. So uh one of them be graduating high school this year. So I I know how you feel about not being able to see your kids and all like that. I know as a parent it's gotta be hard. And uh and I know you've been fighting for years to uh try to get custody for them and that and being able to see 'em. And uh like I said, I hope one day that uh your dreams and your hard work will will pay off and you'll be able to uh get custody and be able to to hold her in your arms once again.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Yes. That's my hopes too. My hopes and goals and dreams, yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Yeah. Well, well, that's it for for today. And uh again, uh thank you for for being on the show.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

Well, that's our show for today. Hopefully, after listening to the secret world of human trafficking, you'll have a better understanding of the dangers going on around you, and hopefully it will inspire you to get involved in the fight to help stop human trafficking. Please follow me on Facebook. You can also contact me at davidjstory.com with your questions pertaining to future episode ideas or comments. Oh, and please check out my Omega book series, Omega 1, the Creation, Omega 2, A Cry for Help, Omega 3, The Head of the Snake, and Omega 4, Inside the Belly of the Snake, coming in 2027. If you have any questions regarding the Omega book series, please don't hesitate to contact me. I hope you'll tune in to future episodes of the Secret World of Human Trafficking. Music by ToonRill.com. This podcast is dedicated to the men and women who are out there fighting every day to save men and women and children who are caught up in the world of human trafficking so that someday they will be free. Thank you for listening, and I hope you'll be a regular follower of this series. That's it for today, and please remember always watch your six and others too.