Episode 23: Stories of Evil Twins

In this episode we discuss evil twins and figure out if WE are evil twins.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Most people ask us, are you guys identical twins? I mean constantly. So yeah, so we don't have the same mother, but we are identical twins.

SPEAKER_03 0:11

We are. We share the same DNA too.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, welcome to Comedyville Horror Podcast. Yeah, I'm we are your host. I'm Russ. I'm Tosh, he's head Red Bull. Yeah. This episode we're talking about evil twins. We've seen evil twins in movies.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Oh, so many.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Uh that seems like a pretty common I guess like horror movie trope is like scary twins.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

I would say that, but also like how often do you watch like a suspense movie where like the twist at the end is that there was a twin, right? Like you know, I'm like, oh okay, let's keep it real original.

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Or uh I was thinking uh like Mary Kate and Ashley. So like they played one character.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Oh, one character, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Like that that was a common thing I think in the most late 90s.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

Oh yeah, because there was that kid that was in um oh the one with Adam Sandler, he was a twin as well. The blonde haired kid. I wiped my own ass. That kid?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

No, I don't think that I'm pretty sure he was a twin. I don't think he was a twin.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

I'm pretty sure I'm correct on this one because he was also in Disney movies or Disney um, like, you know, like the Disney sitcoms.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Was he on the the cruise, the Zach or whatever? Yep. Oh, that was that kid?

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Mm-hmm. And he was a twin.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Hmm.

unknown 2:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

But Mary Kate and Ashley, those girls got so skinny. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Oh man, speaking of skinny, have you seen uh Kelly Osborne lately?

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What is wrong with her?

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Like she is turning into a mummy.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

It's kind of scary, yeah.

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And I hate because she's always like defending it, like my dad just died. And it's like, stop fucking blaming that like fucking eat a sandwich.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Well, and yeah, there's all these new fads and drugs out there that you just I know. Well, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

She lives in Iowa now. Well, I get it. Like you're trying to kill yourself. I mean, well, yeah, that's you know I would too if I lived in Iowa.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

I don't know, but like she has like livestock. Just kill a chicken or like your cow.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

It's not like they're hurting for money, right?

unknown 3:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Well, I don't know. I mean, that's how you don't get rich by eating, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

So well, then I'll never be rich.

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I mean, right. Uh yeah, so evil twins.

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Um, obviously, we just did the shining, and actually you and your wife dressed up as the shining me and my wife dressed up as the the shining twins.

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The girls.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Yeah.

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So Russ was in a girl outfit. Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I had a dress on and stockings. Stockings, and the finding shoes in like man sizes was difficult.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Mm-hmm. I remember you were bitching about how bad those shoes hurt your feet.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Yeah. They fucking they sucked. Yeah anyways.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Yeah. Good good stuff though. One of my favorites.

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But uh, so here I have some uh stories of evil twins. Not not necessarily all of them um were like where both of them are evil. It's mostly one of them. Well, they got like the bad bad egg.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Yeah, like they missed like a chromosome or something, you know. So I don't know.

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Let's get into this first story. Eddie and Peggy. So in nineteen ninety-eight, an ophthalmologist, Jack Wilson, which I don't know what an ophthalmologist they're an eye doctor.

SPEAKER_03 4:44

I thought that was optamologist?

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Like oh no, opt.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

What is it? Opda?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Ophtha. Ophthalmologist?

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Hmm. I don't know. We'll have to research that one.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

I don't know. That there's no way that we could ever find out what it is.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah, okay, I'll figure that out.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

We don't have to now. We've come way too far to figure that out.

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Okay, well, you just go right ahead.

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Uh so ophthalmologist, so doctor of some sort, uh, Jack Wilson walked into his home in Alabama and found an intruder in his house. The intruder attacked him with an aluminum baseball bat and then stabbed him.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

Oh god.

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So Jack died.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

I was right, it's an eye doctor.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Oh, so he didn't have that much money.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

No, I mean apparently.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Not in the fucking late 90s.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Uh so he died from this robbery, I guess. Uh, because that the Huntsville police thought it was a robbery that had gone slowly.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Like South, yeah. Okay.

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Um since he was a 55-year-old, well respected in the community. He was the eye doctor in Huntsville, you know. But a week after, James White, a 41-year-old carpenter, who lived 150 miles away, was arrested and charged with the murder.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

Why would he drive 150 miles to go kill this person?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So it turns out that uh Betty Wilson, Jack Wilson's wife, uh, and her twin sister Peggy Lowe were arrested for the murder. And uh, so James, James White, the the guy, the carpenter that was arrested in his confession, he said that Peggy, the twin sister, was having an affair.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

There's always like a love triangle.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah, she she was having an affair, and she was planning on leaving her husband uh but hoped that something would just happen to him.

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Okay.

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So White said that he could take care of the problem, and Peggy didn't take him up on the offer, but her twin sister Betty was in the similar situation and wanted something to happen to her husband.

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Which was the guy that died.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Oh my gosh. So they both want to kill their exactly.

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Uh so this James White agreed to kill Betty Wilson's husband for$2,500.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Well, I said steal.

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Plus uh$300 in expenses.

unknown 7:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Like, that's the thing. Like, if you're paying for murder, fucking pay top dollar.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Well, right. Like, don't just And then you like, you're like, oh, also here's a receipt for all my supplies.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Like uh this can you have to be a tax write-off. So they both both twins uh were convicted of the murder and given life sentences. But Peggy was acquitted.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Wait, okay, but she never offed her husband?

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Well, she was in she was in on the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Oh, okay. Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

So she uh she said that she knew White but denied the affair. Uh and she also said that White was mentally ill after serving in Vietnam and uh just randomly killed somebody. Had nothing to do with being paid for it.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Mm-hmm. Um So that that's all I got for that one.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

What I just feel like they were both bad.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Yeah, exactly. Right? Like they were both evil.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Both of them had some sort of ulterior motive.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah. They uh and they they were doing the same thing. Because you see that a lot, like identical twins, even though like when they don't know each other the exact same show.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, you know, I mean our sister has twins, and even watching them grow up, like there was always that thing where it's like they had the same like their special language kind of thing, like their own secret language.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Oh, we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Oh, it was when they were really little, it was crazy. And when they were baby babies, she had them in the same crib, and she would put them like, you know, one on one side, one on the other, right? And they would end up they would always end up together. Like always. It was just crazy. They would also poop at the same time. So when I was watching them, it was like, oh, everybody's pooping. Like you're pooping, you're pooping, you're pooping. And then I would have to like quick change one diaper and then have to change the other.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

And that's a lot of like why it was exhausting to watch my sister.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

Like it I'm gonna be like, Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Like why uh twins are more likely to become fucking psychopaths because they were brought into an environment where the parents were not ready for two tiny babies.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Ever. Like ever. I mean, it was even like going out to like we go out to lunch or something, and she would have to go to the bathroom, but then both babies would be dirty.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

And I just remember I think I was paying the bill, and I walked in, and she's got one, so she's on the toilet, like the handicap stall. It's wide open for anybody to walk in, and she's got one baby in the stroller doing this, like with her foot while the other one's on the like changing table, and she's just like holding it. I'm like, what is happening? Yeah, it was. I was like, oh no. Yeah, can you imagine like the octimom? She had eight.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

I'm surprised that she didn't eat her children.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Oh, or like just and uh maybe she did go off the deep end. I think she did, right? Maybe not.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

She did porn, I believe. Well, I think crazy, like pumping out fucking eight kids.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

I'm like, well, you oh, oh god. Uh like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Yeah. That's fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

What is wrong with people?

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Have you lived in this country?

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Like, I'm fucking I'm ready to just deport me, please. Well, like fucking send me somewhere else. I don't know. I mean I don't even give a fuck anymore.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Well, now it's like, what are we gonna what kind of war are we gonna be in? It's scary, I'll insane. I know. Um yeah, well, I think both petty petty and peggy. Yeah, I can't say it. We'll just call them petty. Yeah, because they were being very petty and wanted to kill both of their spouses, maybe to have lovers.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah.

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Is what I'm guessing.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Like they they had to have been fairly older. In their at least 40s, 50s.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

Yeah, right. I'm guessing late.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

It's like just fucking get a divorce then.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Well, yeah, like come on.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah. So uh the next one in 1990, uh 85-year-old Walter Gibbs was found dead in his home in South Dakota. Originally, the death was ruled natural because fuck, he's 85. They're gonna die pretty soon. When you hit 80s, it's literally any day. But a year later, police were told that Darlene Phillips, a 46-year-old woman in prison, was bragging about murdering Gibbs. Darlene had married and divorced Gibbs twice.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Uh wait, I'm sorry, she was 46?

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah.

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Yuck. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Freaking uh so she had already married and divorced Gibbs twice, and she was serving a 50-year sentence for trying to kill Gibbs.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

And then he died? Wait, but he died while she while she was in prison?

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Um, so she went to jail just months before he died.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

Oh, so she paid somebody. Um which I don't understand that. How do you have money when you're locked up?

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, I right?

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Like, oh, I know you hear about this stuff all the time. Yeah, right? Like this this whatever inmate paid Joe Schmo to kill whatever. And I'm like, how? What are you putting them in cigarettes and like surprise? Something all the unwanted sex that they're like, hey, when you get caught and you get here, I'll make sure you're taken well care of. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yeah, tongue the bung. So the police after hearing uh this darling fucking whack job, they're like, all right, we'll just fucking dig up his body.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Always like a wacky, like every Darlene I've ever known is just fucking mess.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

I yeah, I know.

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Like serious, right?

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Uh so they dig up his body and then they're like, oh fuck, he was murdered.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Uh so they automatically assume that it was Darlene's uh like current or whatever, like her new husband.

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Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Jerome.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Um yeah. Jerome's a real idiot if he's getting married while she's incarcerated.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Uh so Jerome confessed that he smothered Gibbs with a pillow uh while Darlene held his legs down. Jerome also said that Darlene's twin sister Dolores uh sat in the other room while the deed was being done. Uh it turns out that Dolores had also married uh the 85-year-old twice.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

This is disgusting and sounds like dad's ex.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah. So Dolores first married him when she was 18.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Oh my god. And he was what 60? I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

No one's like, No, there was what 45 years difference, or no, 40 years difference. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

So he was like 56?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, 58, where yeah, fucking math. Um, so they were married for 10 years, and then Darlene married Gibbs uh after they divorced. Uh he went through another round of each of them.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Okay, where exactly in South Dakota was this? Because I'm guessing it was in the boonies and there was not a whole lot to pick from.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah, probably. It's uh yeah, probably a tiny town. Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Like they're like, oh, there's two men here.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Yeah, it's he he literally ran through all the talent at the local watering hole. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Twice.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Or he didn't know which one was which. Were they identical? Because you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yeah, maybe he thought it was the same one. He's like, oh, well, he married the same one four times. Probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

With 86, he was probably had some serious dementia.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Mm-hmm. So turns out that they both wanted Gibbs dead because Dolores was the beneficiary of his will.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Oh God, these women telling you.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Yep. So Dolores, Darlene, and Phillips were all arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Uh Darlene was convicted and was given a life sentence, but Dolores was acquitted. Seems like I've noticed that in uh a lot of these is that why would one get away with it? One, yeah, one always gets away with it.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

And I don't know if in court maybe they're playing that like, well, this is the evil twin sort of shit. I'm the good one. I was just along for the ride.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Because we are twins and we like, yeah. Yeah. Attorneys are like we'll get one of you off.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah. You pick which one. They're like, we have to make the other one look insane.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Yeah.

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Even though they're the same fucking person.

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So terrible.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Um, so next story. Uh this one's fairly more recent, but in 2010.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

And this is uh 16-year-old twin sisters. Uh Tasmaya and Jazmaya. Whitehead.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Wait, Tasmaya and Jazmaya. Oh, this parent just needs to be murdered.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

I hate when it's like identical twins and they name them like the same name as well.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

It's like damn it, give them a fucking switch one letter.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Mm-hmm. Fucking give them their own identity.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Oh, so silly.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So these two teenage twins uh started arguing with their mother in Georgia because they woke up late for school. They mean so uh according to the twins, their mother started threatening them with a pot. And then uh then a fight broke out.

unknown 19:15

See?

SPEAKER_03 19:16

She should have never had twins.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Mm-hmm. The twins broke a vase over their mother's head and strangled her with a ribbon from a childhood medallion. I'm guessing like a fucking like a track and field, like. Yeah. Uh then they took turns stabbing her uh with a kitchen knife. That's terrible. For 16-year-olds. Um, then after the fight, they dragged their mother into the bathtub and watched her die. They said that uh their mother's last words were that she hated them. I would too.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Yeah, like I birthed you.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Mm-hmm. And that's uh one of the guys on the local radio here. He always says, Don't ever get your kids' names tattooed on you because they might kill you. I mean uh Reiner.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Who are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Rob Reiner, the director.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Oh, yeah. Did he get tattooed?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

No, but I'm saying like his son murdered him and his wife.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

That's awful.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Yeah, like so. Don't ever like get I know get your kids' names tattooed because they very well could murder you.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Yeah. Well, they always say, like, if if someone kills you, it's going to be like your loved ones, right? Like your kids. Real close to you.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

It's way less likely that it's a random thing.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Stranger or like your neighbor. So you might watch your neighbors.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen that show?

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Neighborhood watch. What?

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Uh God, what is it?

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Fear thy neighbor?

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

It's insane. And they're like, your dog just kept barking.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

And so then we shoot them. They're just like they fight for years and years and years. And then one day one of them is just like, I fucking hate this guy, and then murders.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

Yeah. Like it's awful. They act like children the whole time. Like leading up to it.

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Like they're like, your fence is on my side of the property. It's it's like, fuck off.

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Like he's mowing the lawn with a gun. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Uh so, anyways, after the murder, the twins started to clean up the scene. Uh, and then decided, fuck, I'm 16. I don't want to clean. I don't have time to go. So then they went to school. Uh, they had expected the police to be there uh and that their mother's body would be gone when they got home. Uh instead, they flagged down a passing police car. Uh, the first officer at the house said that the crime scene was gone. Gory.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

This I mean these are Yeah, they s stabbed her like a million times with a kitchen knife.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Mm-hmm. Uh so when when they were arrested, they told the officers that they'd come home and found their mom dead.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Oh. Lies. Um let me guess. They had a ring camera.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Yeah, and it Well, not in 2010.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

I don't know when those came out.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Fairly recently.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Oh, all right, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Um so it was four months later that they confessed to killing her. And they both received 30 years in prison.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

At the age of 16? Well.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

But I mean, they've both fucking murdered someone out of rage.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Right, but they're like but they're still juveniles.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

So if they weren't tried as an adult, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Well, and that's that's kind of the whole thing. Like, can can a mentally I don't want to say disabled, but like definitely something's wrong with them mentally where they're murdering people.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Yeah, at such a young age.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

A young age that like, can they be rehabilitated? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

You know, like and it's always like they when they're in jail, like they find God. It's like God doesn't fucking help. If anything, that makes you worse of a person because now you're just annoying about it.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

Where they just want to preach. It's just like when they like get overly God.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah, they're like super into God.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Yeah, and you're like, oh.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

And it's like, well, you just fucking shut up and I'm gonna murder you.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Right. I mean well, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

So uh so far we've had uh quite a few stories in the United States.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Um so I'm guessing like a lot of these uh are uh not Asian people. So this one it does happen in the United States, but the twins were born in South Korea.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Um which so Asian, super fucking smart. So they uh they were co-valedictorian in their California high school. Oh so I'm sure it was co because they were both it was the two of them. Yeah, so they they had to split it. Sonny and Gina Han.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Is it two a boy and a girl?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

No.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Sonny and Gina?

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

I don't know, Sonny could be a boy?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Sonny S-U-N-N-Y.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Oh well.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Sonny, the boy version, I think, is O.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Okay, well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Um, so they were super smart, but start having some money troubles.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Huh?

SPEAKER_00 25:01

And uh getting in trouble with the law. Uh Sonny was jailed for taking a friend's credit card and going on a shopping spree.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Oh, shoot.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

And Gina reportedly stole about forty thousand dollars from family and friends.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Oh my god. Uh so like nobody put a kibosh to that, like the first grand that she stole, do you know?

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Well, so and Sonny uh pressed charges against Gina for a burglary and grand theft in 1996.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Uh they were 22 years old at the time. Gina hatched what prosecutors alleged was a plot to kill Sonny.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Oh. So this is a kill a twin killing a twin.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Yeah, so this is where they're not working together.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Ooh, and they're working against each other.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

So the attack during which Sonny was tied up and forced to sit in a bathtub in their California apartment, made headlines all over the world. A 911 call uh brought police to the scene, and they arrested Gina, who the day before had purchased garbage bags and pine salt.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Oh my gosh, she's got a lot of cleaning to do.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Her conspirators, two unrelated teenage boys, one of who one of whom brandished a loaded gun during the attack. Uh in 1998, Gina was dubbed the evil twin, was sentenced to 26 years to life in prison. So what is it, 26 to life for plotting the fucking the the other 30 years. Yeah, they got 30 years for actually murdering their mom. And this one just wanted to.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Oh, she never died.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

No.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

They've oh, they found out about it before. I just thought she was like dead in the bathtub.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

No, I uh I think it was they yeah, they uh like kidnapped her and well sort of thing, or tied her up or whatever and somehow somehow she got away or something. Yeah. Uh so it says that uh Gina she sobbed in court and apologized for her actions saying that Sonny is my flesh and blood.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Right. You probably shouldn't have wanted to kill her then.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Right?

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

These people are nuts. But don't you think so? If you look at like the like how right, like how twins like come about, right? There's fraternal and there's identical. Fraternal, they have separate sacks, right? So no, well, yeah, I mean I would hope so.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Then they'd be conjoined twins, and that would be funny, like conjoined twins that are attached at the nut sack.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

They share one nut sack on the volume. I'm sure they would just cut it like right then and there. I mean, probably you would or like at the finger, like they have like a a main artery like going through their finger for some reason, and they have to be like just that attached like yeah, like at fingertips. That'd be funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

That'd be gross. Really gross. But right, like and then identical twins share the same sack, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:30

It's the same it's the same egg that splits.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

For identical twins? I thought they share the same. Fraternal are two separate eggs?

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Yeah, two separate fertilized eggs. But I know more about women's anatomy than women.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

It's because you are like anything.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

I'm just kidding. I know nothing.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

What did you say? You're like an old single white woman. Yeah. Oh, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Um It wasn't until recently that I found out that women have a pee hole. Fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Did you just think everything was out of one hole? Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Like a bird. Oh my god You know the birds can't pee?

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Yeah, they like shit and piss together.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yeah, it's fucking gross.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Yuck. Okay, but Yeah, where were we?

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Where were we talking about that?

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Like, there's something that happens when because you hear like crazy twin shit, right? Like, whatever. That maybe when that egg splits, that there's some actual connection. Yeah, but also like a chemical imbalance that happens.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Oh, yeah. Maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Or like one of them, right? They always say, like, oh, baby A and baby B. Well, baby A is bigger because it's taking all of the nutrients from baby B. So maybe now baby B becomes the fucking evil twin because guess what? You didn't feed me, little brother or sister.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, it was the runt and the litter.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Fucking assholes. And so then they have to like they spend their whole life like some sort of conspiracy of how they're gonna get back to either either they just have all this anger when they're born.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Because they didn't get enough food or something. I don't know. Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

Right?

unknown 30:25

Could be.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Because I feel like uh because there there could be like an attention thing, but I feel like with twins, that's real hard because they're like literally the same thing. You know what I mean? Like I feel like they're both getting the exact same amount of attention. It'd be different.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Not if one's sick. Like uh what if one needs to get fed more because now it didn't get all the nutrients?

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Like a fucking uh what's her stupid name? Uh Gypsy Rose.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Oh, did she have twins?

SPEAKER_00 30:56

No. But I mean, I'm just saying, like, where the mom like made her sick.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Even though she wasn't right, Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Right. But I also felt like there was a whole nother side to that. Like where Gypsy like eventually knew that that was happening.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Well, yeah, she continued to like I think she figured it out. That's why she fucking tried her well, she her mom was murdered.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Right. But then she like I feel like knew it before and then just like kind of went along with it. But then maybe wanted like all the other things.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Does she celebrate that?

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Probably not. But like that's a thing. And you know, you think too, because didn't she have a baby? Didn't she like get married and have a kid?

SPEAKER_00 31:48

I think she, yeah, just recently. I don't I haven't watched the show because I think she I hate when people are they're turned into celebrities for very bad things.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yes, absolutely that's what I was saying. Is like now she's gotten all this limelight and all this attention.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Now she is a baby. What if I mean it there's a thing about cycles, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

You either break the cycle as a baby.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

No. That gypsy rose then starts doing the same thing, Munchausen syndrome by proxy, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yeah. And then she gets murdered. I mean, it could be just a never-ending cycle until some of them somebody breaks one of them finally has an abortion.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Or something.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

That's oh fuck. I was in Walmart.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

Maybe some therapy.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I was in Walmart yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Oh God. Don't ever Can I just say this to Don't ever go to Walmart on a weekend. I did I made the mistake of that last weekend and wanted to murder myself.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Well, it's no matter what side of the aisle you're on, fuck. Abortions should be mandatory for certain people. They're they should stop reproducing. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

Well, when I went, it was um handicap day.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

And um the short bus outside, but it must have been parked around the side.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Well, here's my thing. They need to figure out a different day when they get everybody else's groceries for pickup because those effing carts that are in my way and it's always right where I need to be. So there's that. Oh, I know. There's the uh person in the motorized scooter with a dog. Like, I thought that, like, and I'm like, that is not a service animal. It is a poodle, but it's gonna do nothing for you.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

But you can't say anything either.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Right. So it's like this lady in a scooter. I'm trying to get my cart through. All I need are like some black beans or whatever I was looking at. I'm like, just everybody get out of my way. I was I was so angry. I was like jolly before I walked in there.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

And by the time I got in my car, you never leave Walmart like feeling jolly.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

I was so angry. And then I always get the person, the checkout person, if I don't do it myself, right? But I was like, you know what? No, hey, this person's right here and it's wide open. I'm gonna go. That wants to talk about a my items that I'm purchasing.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Or B about my day. I, you know what my day is?

SPEAKER_00 34:23

I wonder if they're told to out of here. Because do you remember back in the day it was like fast, fast, fast. You had to get people through fast. And now I feel like they don't. Like, I I think they're told to like make a connection uh because they're slow as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

And why are they all wearing like rubber gloves?

unknown 34:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

Like, well, I didn't get a pair of rubber gloves when I walked in the store and touched all of the goods.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

I always wipe down the card with those things.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

I'm like, I'll stand in the way and just do that because everybody's gonna be my way when I get to the aisles, so why not?

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Yeah, oh man, I was just so I was so angry. But like then there was like I pulled in to my parking spot, and there was an open parking spot in front of me, and there's just a pair of old muddy boots that somebody clearly went into Walmart, got a new pair of shoes, and just left their boots.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Well, yeah, they had probably a job interview.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Oh my god, it was so bad.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Yeah. Um, so let's do uh let's do I have just a few more. What do I got? Three more stories. Oh, great. Um although identical twins, uh Steven and Robert Splaski.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Um were both killers. They each acted alone and were totally unaware of the other's homicidal tendencies.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Uh one of them said, I thought I was the only murderer in the family.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

Huh. Just kidding. It's like Dexter.

unknown 36:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

In uh New York, the uh corrections officer gave Steven a newspaper article about his brother confessing to four slangs.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Wow.

unknown 36:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Stephen was the first to kill someone. He stabbed a man, but Robert killed a lot more people. Uh a prostitute that he strangled with an electrical cord.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Um, his girlfriend, he choked to death. Uh but his his brother Steven fetish uh was a teenager when he stabbed the guy.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Oh. Why'd you stab him?

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Um, a robbery. Well, and it it sounded like he was in and out of jail already for robberies, kidnapping, violation, you know.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

All the things.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

He was a bad boy.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Mm-hmm. Um, so and this is kind of uh this was a big thing that started a a big debate on nurture versus nature sort of thing. Okay. Where they they didn't know of each other's uh what they were doing.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Killing yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

But they were still doing the same thing and which that is the nature part of it. But it's kind of like, well, maybe if they were in a fucking a better situation, you know what I mean? Like then maybe the nurture would have prevented both of them.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

Well, maybe, but I even know like my nephews like they would be totally, you know, separate getting dressed or whatever, or one would be like spending the night at a friend's house and you know, then coming home and changing, and then they would both come out at the same time and they would be wearing almost like the exact same thing all the time.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Like they're the connection that they have uh is really I blame that on the parents. Don't fucking buy them the exact same thing, like identical twins.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

And I don't think she did a whole lot, or like it would be like the same shirt, but like always different colors, you know what I mean? Yeah, but they wouldn't, they would. I mean, it was just crazy. I think when they were little, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Then like say I hated them. Where you'd see, yeah, like twin babies would have the exact same outfit on.

SPEAKER_03 38:53

Well, I would tell my sister if I'm babysitting, like you can't, I I don't know, I can't tell them apart.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Like I could not tell them apart.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Well, I can't to this day. Other than that's because I met them a few years ago. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Like I did not grow up with them, so like But like one of them has a freckle right on the forehead, and the other one doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

And then one of them has like the our like whatever, our genetic face, and the other one has the skinnier face.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Yeah. You know, is that like you just you call their call one of them's name and see like which one like uh sometimes. I found out. Did you know that George Foreman has like fucking twelve kids and most of them are named George Foreman?

SPEAKER_03 39:56

I think I did know that.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Yeah, like all of them are named George Foreman, which is stupid. Yeah. Fucking ridiculous. Like he literally ran out of ideas, like immediately.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

I don't know if he got punched in the head a little too much. Probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

I mean, those grills, like did you have the the Foreman grill back in the day?

SPEAKER_00 40:22

My grandma did, and she fucking loved that thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

I mean, I loved it, except like the it was always supposed to have like a meat, like I think like a meat jute. Maybe he figured it out at the time.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Because it was they were all on an angle so that the grease would drip off of them. That was their whole shtip. Yeah, but then it's healthier for you.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

But then it didn't have like a well, mine never did. I probably got it at like Goodwill. But it never had like the tray. Yeah, I remember my So you just have to like shove like paper towels underneath and just get paper towels.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

My grandma put like a little saucer plate.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

Smarter.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Maybe I did paper plates. I don't know. That was when I was in college. I was poor.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Yeah. Uh so uh so okay, so this is an older one, and this is about like the communication. Uh so these twins were dubbed the silent twins.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

Uh because you never trust a person that doesn't talk.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah. They only communicated with their immediate family. Uh June and Jennifer Gibbons were born in Wales in 1963. Uh they grew up as uh social pariahs. I don't know what the fuck that means.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Like they were like fancy, like special, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Well, but they they were frequently bullied.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Oh. Okay, well I'm thinking of something else.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

So they had a speech impediment.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Oh. Um well that's why they were quiet.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Well, and as well, and they were bullied.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Yeah, well, that's what I mean. How terrible. Kids are dicks.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

As the years went by, uh, their secret like twin language became more and more unique. Uh almost completely nobody could understand it. That wasn't them.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

So weird.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

But the sisters both committed several crimes, including arson, petty theft. Uh and this was the good old days.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

Maybe it was to the people that bullied them. So you go girls. This is the good old days.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah, the good old days. Um, so yeah, they were committed and lived there for 11 years after they were diagnosed with schizophrenia.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Well, that's because they didn't know what else to call it, right? Like back then.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

I mean.

unknown 42:59

I know.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

The good old days when you just be like, this bitch is crazy, and then they just fucking kept her. I mean you could go on about your life, you know, without a worry.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Yeah, right. That's why it was all the ladies trying to murder their men.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

So uh but so they uh they were both writers, actually. But each one published a novel. Um June's book was called The Pepsi Cola Addict. And it was about a high school hero seduced by his teacher and sent to a cruel reformery.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

All right, so something happened there.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Um and then Jennifer's book, Disco Mania, was about a local disco that incites patrons to acts of insane violence.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Oh. Wow. So we're gonna buy these, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:07

Yeah, we probably should.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

I mean, that's wild. Um I mean, even like the names just sound like jacked up. Like getting into the mind of like a crazy person.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

Mm-hmm. And like uh twins, like where like they're both uh not right.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

How do they get published though?

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

Right? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

So it and it it says that they they both had like a love-hate relationship with each other. Um but while they were in uh this hospital or insane asylum or whatever, they made a pact that one had to die so that the other one could live a normal life.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

What the frick? So who died?

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Uh so Jennifer uh admitted to Wallace. Who was Wallace? The local Oh no, I think he was a reporter.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Um, that did a story on him. Uh so she admitted to somebody that I'm going to die, I've decided. And in 1993, hours after their release, uh Jennifer at the age of 29 died on her sister's shoulder from a sudden inflammation of the heart muscle.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

What? No, she took a pill.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah, she had to have taken something or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Yeah. That's called cyanide.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Yeah. Well, no, cyanide, you can tell.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

Well, yeah, because they're like foaming or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

I don't know. She took something.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Mm-hmm. Had to have.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

But it's still a mystery.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

Okay. Hmm. Like no autopsy was performed.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

Like Yeah, I feel like they should have. Right? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 46:04

Maybe a toxicology. Like, I don't know, like, yeah, well, they just got released. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Yeah. They're like, this is not our problem. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

This is uh maybe yesterday's problem.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Like, fuck these girls. So uh my last one. Um, this is during a jewelry heist at a Berlin department store in 2009, three masked men stole six point five million dollars worth of merchandise.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

But left behind a sweaty rubber glove.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

Uh police trace the DNA to uh Hassan and Abbas O.

unknown 46:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Um, they're 27-year-old twins at the time whose full names by German law cannot be disclosed. Oh, that's why it's just called O.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Oh, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

Um, the brothers uh who have records of theft and fraud um came up in the government criminal database when they did the DNA. But since they're identical twins and they share 99.99999% of the genetic information.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Right, like us.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Mm-hmm. There's no way for investigators to determine which sibling did it.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Oh, so what do they do? Can they they can't charge either one?

SPEAKER_00 47:41

So after five weeks of searching for any more information on this robbery, they had to fucking let both of them go.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

What?

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Mm-hmm. Um, yeah, it says uh from the evidence we have, we cannot deduce that at least one of the brothers took part in the crime.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Hmm. So yeah, they're just some they're off scot-free.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Mm-hmm. Six and a half million dollars worth of like I feel like that much. Okay, but that would have been. Weird how uh they both have Lamborghinis.

SPEAKER_03 48:23

But don't you feel like but it was in merchandise.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Don't you think that that was like confiscated and then they did the trial, and they're like, okay, you're gonna give us back all the shit, but guess what? You're neither one are gonna be charged.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Mm-hmm. Speaking of jewelry heist, did you hear that story of that guy that uh swallowed like a fucking like a four million dollar piece of jewelry?

SPEAKER_01 48:49

No.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

And uh they retrieved it. Oh so someone somebody at the jail was sifting through his poop.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

Sick. Why wouldn't they just have him like have surgery performed?

SPEAKER_00 49:09

The uh they that would be fucking tax dollars.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

Well, that's that would be like a fucking and then well, and then the risk behind it, right? So they're like, just we're gonna wait for you to shit it out.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

So that's gotta be heavily discounted, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:26

I mean, I wouldn't think so.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

Because it was like it was like a a a really expensive Tiffany, like one item thing.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Like it who is gonna buy that?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

I don't know somebody that fucking uh loves poop, I guess. I don't know. Like, because even if you put it. Like crazy. Uh you still know like this went through somebody.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

That's right. That's disgusting. But also to be the guard that has to sift through the shit.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

Uh you could not pay me enough.

SPEAKER_03 50:04

No. No.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

To sift through someone else's shit. I mean, don't get me wrong, I sift through mine all the time just to be like, hey.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Stop it. How's it going? That's disgusting. I have a card. Someone else's having to bag it like my dog shit and take it in for a fecal sample because I now know that there's a bag of shit sitting in my car.

SPEAKER_00 50:27

Like, oh God. Yeah, don't do that during the summer. Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Oh, well, I mean, sometimes I don't have a choice.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

Oh, gross. Wait, how often are you taking fucking tupwear turds to well, this hot mess when he was little, I had to take it in all the time. I kept eating rabbit shit and what else? Well, who knows what else? I was like, oh my god. It would just not be solid.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

It was really gross. Yeah. So that that's all the stories of the twins. The twins that I have. And I think we solved it.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

I mean, I think that yeah, there is normally an evil twin.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

No, I don't know if normally there's an evil one, but I would say if one is gonna be bad, most likely both will be bad.

SPEAKER_03 51:22

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

You know, I think that was from most of the stories, it seemed like that was the conclusion.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

At least like the twins in our family are they're good. They're good twins.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

We don't know that.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Well, I guess we don't know what happens behind closed doors. Did you also know, um, on on a nice ending note, did you know that it goes back like oh goodness, probably a hundred years or something, maybe more now, that it skips every other generation in well, I guess it would be mom's side of the family.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

And that there were great uncles that were born without eyes. They were twins, and they had no eyes.

unknown 52:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:13

Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

Did they just uh just didn't have eyes?

SPEAKER_00 52:17

Give them like a postpartum abortion or something? No.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

I mean, you I don't think they didn't have to be.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Well, but back then there's no it's not like now where we have like means of like a normal life.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Well, they're not just gonna put like glass eyes in there and be like, oh good luck. At least now they look kind of normal.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

But it was just like just being blind.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

I don't know. Again, this was like mom story, and so this could be real, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

Helen Keller shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

It could have been like something that she like wanted to scare me, and now I was having night terrors of like people without eyes just like attacking me. Again, the trauma. Yeah, the trauma, but yeah, so okay. I think we solved it.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

Yeah, we Scooby-dooed the hell out of this and yeah, we did, figured it out.

unknown 53:10

All right.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

We'll see you guys in the next one. We love all of you, and please pretend to be kind to each other, even your twin. Yeah, especially your twin because they might kill you. They could be the evil one.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

All right, we love you, we love ya.