Joanna Yeates

Bundle up, because this week we’re heading into the icy December streets of Bristol to revisit the heartbreaking disappearance and murder of Joanna Yeates — a case that gripped the UK, baffled investigators, and sparked one of the country’s largest manhunts.

We’ll walk you through the strange timeline, the mysterious pizza that never got eaten, the media frenzy that spiralled out of control, and the shocking truth that finally emerged… all while trying (and probably failing) to keep our emotions in check.

So grab a cozy drink, a warm blanket, and join two girls who still don’t know what they’re doing — but promise to take you along for the ride anyway.

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Christmas. Hadn't thought about that. We probably need to figure out what the fuck we're doing. Also. We're gonna have to be, we're gonna have to be really smart about Christmas, because Yeah. Of episodes. Hadn't thought about that. She really? Christmas day murder. Yeah. A hundred percent. A Kroger Acro. Write that down. A crower. Write that down. A Kroger, a Kro Christmas. E. There's been a Roro. So I'll do the intro and then we can just waffle about whatever we're gonna waffle about. Uh, do you think it's gonna be a long one? I've got nine pages. Yeah. Fucking hour, right? Let's get into it. Hello and welcome to Kill the Movie podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything. Spooky Doy. There'll be lots of true crime, but also just general mysteries. Some will be solved and some will leave you hanging. We are just two girls put in the world to write. Not really. We're just like yapping. Oh, we've been here too long. I just like to add that we are not professionals, just two ladies who apparently like the sound of their own voices enough to record them. We mean no offense in anything we say, we like a huge percentage of the world, find all of this unfathomable. And this is just our own little way of trying to make sense of the senseless. So, without further ado, this week's subject is Joanna Yates. Yates. Yates y. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I know the name. I can't remember the case if I'm completely honest. Yeah it's Bri in Bristol. Yeah. Love Bristol in 2010. Motion. Motion. That's motion I can think about in terms of Bristol right now. Yeah. We're going there in two weeks to the prosthetics, pro prosthetics. Prospects. Prospects. Not pro se the prosthetics. Building prospect. The prospect building. Building. Um, yes, we are going to Bristol. Hopefully we don't get murdered in 2010. In 2010 we get converted back to 2010 and then get murdered. Yeah. Um, I was gonna do this one nearer to Christmas, but I'm just gonna do it because I don't have any other ones. And times of the essence, as you will have heard in the episode before this we'll crunch for time. This is actually for us the same night Yeah. As the last episode. But for you it's a week later. Yes. Um, and yeah, we just, and then we just it's just dawned on us that actually we're gonna have to fucking do something for Christmas. Yeah. We were just like, oh my God does this chaos. But actually I think by the time we've been to Bristol and then you've also moved out and in Yeah. And we've done another couple more EPIs than we'll be in Christmas and our work is mentor, Christmas mentor. So it's gonna be a real interesting time to see how we get on. Yeah. I mean, if we can stand the test of time and keep up with. The EPS on around Christmas and we can fucking do it another Yeah, exactly. We that's can at least one a day. Yeah. I'm checking. That's not funny. That would kill me. I think. Absolutely horrified. I'm just like editing one, listening to another. Yeah. Just the sound of our voices, just in our heads. Even more than they already are. I'm not gonna lie. Like I said to Amy, I, for the first maybe three episodes, I listened to them once they were released. Just like a, as a, yeah. Well, yay. Another person listening. But um, I actually have fucking stopped because I listened to them so much, so many times. Yeah. So much. The first, like the first couple, I was like, I really don't think I can listen to this just because it's like me. Mm-hmm. And I, every time I'd speak I'd be like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you talking, why did you just say that? And then it just becomes like second nature.'cause I listened to them once. Not that I have any doubt in you whatsoever, but I think just that it's uploaded properly and everything. Yeah. Because there was one time where it started to fuck up. Yeah. And because I tried to listen to it, I was like, why is it doing that? So yeah, I do listen to them, but I couldn't Well I'm gonna do a bit of the editing now finally.'cause I'm being a grown up. I'm growing up. It's more that you don't have the facility to Yeah. Or the brain. Well, I wasn't gonna say it, but you can. It's fine. Okay. Let's get into it. Yeah. So we're in 2010 for this one. It is a bit Christmasy, so Merry Christmas, I guess. Get your hats on. Yeah. Santa is coming down the chimney and not in a good way So yes, Joanna Gates was born on the 19th of April, 1985 in Anfield in Hampshire which is just under Reding next to London. I'm glad that you figured that out. Yeah, I'm, every single time I see a place, I'm like, find out exactly where that is these days. Maybe we should tour all the spots. I love that. And then the last one I was like. Didn't you, don't you think Salt Lake reminds you of Mary Kate, Ashley? That's how we, and then we were like Bristol Motion. Motion. The only place in the whole Brist I was actually born basically in Bristol. We were like, motion. Motion., So. According to everyone. Her upbringing was apparently rather lovely. She had nice parents,, great family life. She was apparently best friends with her mom. They got along like really well. Ugh, and would always, she was, she'd be the worst noise. I dunno why I was like, Ugh, sorry. Don't have best friends. That was involuntary. I dunno what my problem was there. No, that's fine. I'm unaware of what process, what caused that to me. Yeah. So she attended, Emily Private School as a child, which is a rather prestigious private slash boarding school in Hampshire. Can't be that prestigious. Never heard of it. You have never heard of it. And I'm an authority. Yeah. Private. And she's the top dog on private school boarding schools. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, I feel like us not hearing of it's probably not bad. Oh, too funny. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a rather prestigious private boarding school in Hampshire. So yeah, she had a pretty good start to the game it seems. She then went on to study landscape and architecture at. University. I just met at university. I thought you tried to say at university. Got choked up, almost died and then just went University. University. Oh no. Really? Just sleep. Yeah. I dunno what's happened. We've eaten and it now it's like someone's put two pennies in us but not in the right place. We were just looking at twilight memes, we were looking, we were lying on the sofa tv. She was like twilight memes. And I was like, we've still gotta listen to the podcast that's supposed to come out tomorrow, but it's horrible season. Don Don to be, honestly what we were talking about to do with Ty Twilight is the fact that Tom thinks twilight's shit and he thinks that it's so bad, it's fine. And I was like, yeah. I was like, who the fuck are you like, who doesn't like Twilight? You're watching it'cause it's a masterpiece. Use is iconic. It it a what makes master so fucking bad. It's just like it hits so good because. It's, I just think you have to grow up it right. And you can't talk shit to me. I went to Twila Thumb, nine hours hardcore. Watch the final one come out at midnight in the cinema. Oh, I forget. They used to do that so often. Go to midnight screening, they scream. Yeah. Yeah. COVID killed that. Yeah. So sad. I, well, moving on onto the next yes. So she went, let me say the whole bit again. So she went to study landscape and architecture at university, getting a degree and a post-grad diploma in Gloucestershire. And I know exactly where Gloucester she is. Well I know where Gloucester she is. Well, good to know. Yeah, yeah. Let girls go. Um, and I'm not gonna tell you'cause I don't need to prove myself. Yeah, exactly. Me neither. I just know that we know, we know. I just know that Amy knows Tanisha, so kind of knows. Knows. Okay. So fast forwarding to 2008. So Joanna is 23 and she is slaying the game. She's got a great job that she loves at a place called Highland Edgar, driver for Architecture and Urban Design. It's like a company that just does that kind of stuff. Um, this is where she met her boyfriend through her work and his name is Greg Reardon. Yeah, they both met each other. They're both architectures. I feel like you'd have to stifle. I'm not sure why. Real is it is Bri. Yeah, I knew, I knew that's what it was gonna be. It got me so, so immature. I know. So bad. That's why I literally bit my lip after to be like, don't laugh, that's not funny. And then you call me. Okay. So around this time they've been seeing each other for a bit. I wrote, yeah, that's great. That's all we need. Um, everything was going great and they'd planned to build a future together. Probably get married and all of that stuff. So I think they were like, forever after us. Forever thinking lifers end game. Yeah. Lifers. Lifers. Lifers. Yeah. Lifers. They're lifers. Yeah, their company relocated to Bristol. So they decided to move in together and move in to move to Bristol which is yeah, great fucking time in life, isn't it? Mm-hmm. Let's move in together and move to Bristol. Everything's good. We're gonna be rich and well off. What year did they move to Bristol? This is 2008. This is 2008. Yeah. Right. So yeah, they moved to Bristol. Her parents and his parents are both gassed for them. So everything is just going really great. After moving, it's not long before Joanna gets another architect job offers somewhere else, which I think is like better than her current one. So she changes jobs to an even better job. And then they end up moving flats again to, um, this is in 2010. So they've been in Bristol for two years. And then they quickly, yeah, moved to a different place in Clifton, which is an area in Bristol, which is like quite a nice area. Yeah. I have actually been there. I do actually know where Clifton is. Yeah. Yeah. Near motion. It's about, it's everything in, it's just how close it is to motion. You can walk to the motion from now. Yeah, so they're happy moving up in the world. Everything is great. It's a block of flats, yeah, this is kind of where the, story properly begins. We're up to date, they're in Bristol. Everything's fine. Yeah, everything's dandy. So it is Friday the 17th of December, 2010. Mm-hmm. And Joanna's boyfriend, Greg is heading home for the weekend to visit his family in Sheffield for a pre-Christmas reunion type thing. And it's, I think it's the first time that Joanna would be in the flat alone, since they'd moved there. Oh, that's terrible. Mm-hmm. So Friday night he finishes work and then he heads off, like sets off on the drive and she goes into Bristol for a drink with some friends at the Bristol Ram Pub. I think she's sort of anxious about. Being home alone. Like her friends at the pub say that she was kind of like to really say. Yeah, always. Yeah. I feel like she was just sort of saying oh, I am anxious'cause I've never done this before and stuff. But I'm also hyped. Like apparently she loves, loves like loved Christmas. Like it was like something that she really loved. And obviously this is quite close to Christmas, so I think she was just gonna do some Christmasy stuff. Yeah. Like maybe wrap some last bits and get some, watch some Christmasy films. Yeah. And'cause I think he was gonna be gone for the whole Yeah, he's gone for the whole weekend. So she's I'll do a bit of extra shopping, get some things ready, maybe decorate, I don't know. But this, yeah, it's really makes it sad because she absolutely loves Christmas and this all happens like over Christmas, so, because it wouldn't be sad. Without that. Yeah. No, it wouldn't. This is so sad. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. Um, yeah, obviously it's sad anyway, but this is just like special sucky that she's probably like my favorite time of year. Yeah. Um, and oh, I'm a bit nervous to be home alone. Yeah. But everything's gonna be fine. But I hate it being irrational. Yeah. I hear when you are like, you're proved right? Yeah. About why you've so Yeah. I think she's probably I'm just gonna get some gifts, bake some goods, get Christmas ready and have the weekend to myself, you know? Sounds like a wonderful weekend. Yeah. so it is at 8:00 PM that Joanna leaves the pub and she begins the 25 minute walk home to Gaff. I wrote to Gaff. I really was writing these notes at Speed. Light as you did. Yeah. But it is longer because she makes some stops. So first of all, she stops at a Waitrose, which is a grocery shop in the uk. Um, but she doesn't buy anything, which I feel like is pretty good if someone to just smooch and be like, no, not for me. Yeah. Not gonna. Yeah, I'd just be like, maybe she went in leaf. Literally. I think it's a waste of a trip if I don't buy something when I'm in there. Yeah. But then to be fair, she does go to a different shop after, but I just feel like, oh, okay. So maybe they just didn't have what she wanted. Yeah. Okay. Fair. That's fair. I don't know, I'd just be like, but look at this fun thing. Might as well buy this. Wait shows it cost you kidney to probably not worth it. Yeah. Maybe She got in and she was like, actually I forget how close she she is. Yeah. She's too funny. Yeah. Um, so she walks to a different shop on route and she calls her friend Rebecca Scott, and they catch up and make some Christmasy plans and stuff. Um, so then she goes into a Tesco in Clifton, which is quite close to her home, I think, and she grabs a Tesco's finest PE pesto mozzarella pizza. Okay. She leaves here at eight 40. This walk home is caught on CCTV. Right. That's basically the whole thing. So they can track her. Yeah. So this is yeah, so around this time she's like leaving and she pops into bargain booze, which is like an off license. In the evening as well. Love it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and she buys two bottles of cider and then she leaves. But this is like literally such a Friday night. Yeah. Get a pizza, get some side cider. I'm just staying home. Get myself a little pizza. Yeah. Had a drink at the pub. Feeling a bit squiffy. Probably get a couple more. Yeah. Stick on a film. Fall asleep. Yeah, fall asleep. Yeah, so she leaves and walks home and it is estimated that she would've got home at around 9:00 PM This is still quite early in the night. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, really early on. Too early for crying in quite a busy, yeah. In quite a busy area as well. Fucking Bristol. Yeah. Friday night. Yeah. Friday night. Yeah. And they catch a whole, the whole, whole walk home. It lasts apart from the last 20 minutes, I think. Yeah. Maybe even 10. So at this time, Greg has made it back to his parents' house and he's texting Joanna just to check in. Um, and she's not responding. Okay. So he also calls her mobile and calls the house phone, but no response. Okay. Um, at 10:20 PM he sends another couple of texts and there's still nothing. Apparently he's not really too worried about this because apparently she's not really like a massive phone person. Yeah. So she's maybe just fucked off and is doing, or maybe she's just watching a film. Yeah, exactly. She's not paying attention. She might just be, although weird, I suppose she wouldn't be at home, but maybe she's just ended up having a good night with her friends and stayed out later. Yeah, exactly. And I think, yeah.'cause she, he knew she was going to the pub. Maybe he was texting her to check in that she is doing okay, but he's not being like, yeah, what? That's so weird that you answer me. So when someone's like on a night out, like if Tom's on a night out, I'll send him a message and be like, you're live. Actually we do this thing. We used to do this thing. I used to send him a thing that said. Be real notification. Mm. And that's me asking him to send me the photo. Yes. Clever. Yeah. That is clever. Yeah. Although, I dunno why I wouldn't just say photo. Sure. Nah. But it's, it's the same vibe. It's like it's bringing back something that eventually will be a massive throwback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you'll still say it. Yeah. I assume it's just something like that, him just being like, how's the pub? Him just being like, you home yet Him just saying, I'll ring the house phone in case she's not seen her mobile. And then him just being like, oh, she's clearly still out. Yeah. But yeah, he's not too really too worried. It's not really that deep apparently. Then throughout the weekend at his parents, he has nothing from her at all. He's texting her and calling her and there's literally no response. Wouldn't you be fucking Swiss? I think, uh, if I, I wouldn't be concerned after if like Tom was on a night out. And didn't message me. And then the next morning I'd be like, maybe you're just real hungover. Yeah. The next morning hungover, probably'd start to get worried by the afternoon. Afternoon. Yeah. If I hadn't heard from him by the evening, I'd be fucking panicking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Panicking. Panicking and so that was on the Friday night that he hasn't heard from her and he's not coming home till the Sunday, so it's like a long period of time where it's like she can't have just overslept. And also like he, he knows she was anxious about this weekend. Yeah. Like she wouldn't have gone out and got absolutely smashed up. And you're also gonna be like, not responded to him the whole time. You are also gonna be like, part of you's gonna be like, well, what's happened? I don't know. I'd be a bit like, have has, she left me? Well, yeah, this, I think obviously you'd be so anxious. Yeah. But I've thought he probably was like, maybe I've pissed her off and I don't know. Yeah. Or maybe she's busy or like even cheating or something. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean? You wouldn't think she's died. You wouldn't think something terrible's happened. You would think, well, I would because my mind goes to the worst place. Yeah. Immediately. But yeah, if someone's, you talk yourself, you talk yourself down down. Yeah. And even if you were really panicking, you'd be like, oh my God, have I really upset her? And she doesn't wanna talk to me like, I don't understand what I've done. Or, or why has she, has she been waiting for me to go away to do whatever? You know? Yeah. There'd be a lot of other things that would go through your brain before you'd really convince yourself. Also, you'd be like, maybe she's dead. And then you'd be like, no, don't be so sick. Yeah. You'd be like, that is, that's wild. That's so unlikely to have happened. And that, but you know, and you might be like, I don't understand why she's pissed at me. And you'd probably be a bit pissed off yourself.'cause you'd be like, I'm worried about you. Can you kind of reply? Oh yeah. I, the anger that raises in my stomach when Tom doesn't reply to me and I'm worried. I just think I'm I, and I'll start being like, can you just text me back? When we were at work the other day and I literally rang him and I was like. It's, I texted you this morning and then I've texted you again this afternoon and it's like now almost four, four or five. And you still haven't replied to me. Mm-hmm. I'm just ringing to make sure you're alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just worrying. It's just checking in. And I feel like he's probably Greg is probably sat at home like with his family. Like maybe she's just being a dick for some reason. I don't know, like I am kind of annoyed, but like also there might be a completely valid reason and he's not gonna be like, I have to go home and check on her because, you know, he's probably maybe she was just got drunk and now she's just in a bad mood for me. I don't know. Um, but yeah, you'd be so anxious. It would literally take over the whole, the whole weekend. Mm-hmm. But yeah he is texting her and ringing her like the entire weekend. There's record of this and obviously he was with his parents, so yeah he's ruled out. He's in the clear. Yeah. So on Sunday the 19th, he returns home around 8:00 PM and as soon as he goes into the house, he can tell that something's up. Like he's probably going in quite worried anyway. But yeah, Joanna obviously isn't there, but there's an open sider on the side, but not empty. Okay. And nothing's been done. Like apparently the bins haven't been taken out. They have a cat and the cat looks like it hasn't been fed in a load of days. And it's probably being quite demanding and has probably like the literature hasn't been cleaned and stuff, but it just, yeah. And I think he's really confused and he's a bit oh, I'm kind of annoyed now, but then he notices that her keys and her bag and her coat and stuff is all still in the house as well. So it's not even like she's just out somewhere, everything of her belongings. Are still in the house. So now he's like getting really worried. And he leaves, he gives this till 9:00 PM so he gets an 8:00 PM and I think he waits for an hour and probably checks around, maybe rings a few people. Yeah. Yeah. And he waits and there's still nothing. So he calls her again at nine and he hears her phone inside, I dunno what he's doing for a full hour if it's not ringing her continuously. But he decides to bring her at nine o'clock. Yeah. But maybe he's just. Maybe he's I've been ringing her all weekend and she's not replying. Maybe she's avoiding me now. So she's yeah, gone out.'cause she knows that I'll be back at, but maybe I'll give it an hour and see if she like gets back. Yeah. Or maybe he's even I don't know. In that situation I probably ring my parents. Yeah. And just, or like friend and what the fuck is going on? Like Yeah. Or even he just gets home, he's just I'll take my bags out. I'll have a shower and if she hasn't come home by nine o'clock, then I'll start like being like, where the fuck are you now?'cause this is ridiculous. I'll feed the cat and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do all those things and then see where we're at. Yeah. Um. So, yeah. Then he calls her at nine o'clock and he hears her phone inside the flat and it's in her coat pocket. And as soon as he hears that, he's absolutely nah. That means she hasn't been here all weekend. Yeah, she's not been here all weekend. All of her calls are still on this phone. She has not unlocked her phone since the first time I text her on Friday night. Her bags here, her coats here, her keys are here. She would not go out without this stuff. He starts ringing literally everyone. So he calls everyone that was at the bar with her. He calls her parents, and no one's seen or heard from her since Friday night when she left that pub. Um, at 12:45 AM Okay. He rings the police. S after checking it with everyone, which I get in a sense that it's I suppose it depends how many people you're talking to. Yeah. And, and, and like this guy isn't suss Greg is not suss like he's been ruled out. Like it's, it's not him. But I just was like 12:45 AM That's, yeah. I guess now you are talking to her friends and then you're talking to our parents and then everyone's giving you advice about what you should do and about where she could be and then everyone goes off and starts doing their own little investigation. Yeah. I'm gonna ring this person. If he only got back at eight and then didn't start doing that till nine. Yeah. That's actually only a few hours. It's three or four hours. Yeah. But yeah, I just like when I saw her I was like, what from 9:00 PM till was 1:00 AM but I guess maybe 1:00 AM is guys, she's not fucking coming home. Yeah. No one knows where she is. I have to call the police now. Um, so we reports her missing, the police arrive and Joanna's parents also arrive.'Cause they literally, as soon as this happened, they got in the car from from Hampshire. Okay. They're like, we're coming over asap. Yeah. You just wait here. They look around the flat and the police are starting to like, ask people around, like in the areas and stuff. They're doing door todo, seeing if anyone knew anything. Um, her mom, like whilst they're looking around the house, she finds this receipt that's for pizza at 8:40 PM on Friday the 17th. So they knew that she was headed, made it home after the pub. So it's not like the pub it's not like it was near the pub. It was like she was doing her route home. She's been in, she's bought a pizza. Yeah. And she's coming home with the intention of going home for dinner and she's walked through that front door and put her stuff down, including the receipt. So everything points into the fact that she was heading home. It wasn't someone that caught her on her way home. She made it to this house. Right, right. So it is like they've got basically her. Movements right up until that second she got home and then just not a absolute Scooby-Doo, but they cannot find the pizza. Like the pizza is just nowhere to be seen. So they're like, there's this receipt and we haven't heard from her. She said, you know, she's left, her friend says she's left the pub. Greg's been texting her from 9:00 PM and nothing. And the she, the receipts there and she bought two ciders and the siders were there. One of them was open. One of them was open, but the other one was a have a sippy sip. I think the other one was there. But the pizza, nothing, no box. Like they checked the bins. There was no box in the bins. It wasn't in the oven, it wasn't in the fridge. It was just nowhere to be seen. You better not fucking tell me that this is unsolved. Otherwise I'm gonna headbutt you. You'll find it. Um. Yeah. So it is just super weird. That is really weird. Yeah. Because everyone's like, why the fuck is there this receipt? Why is it she opened a beer as if she's sitting down for the evening and where the fuck is the pizza? And where she Yeah, like, where the fuck has she gone? Everything is just so weird. So everyone, everyone heads out at this point, like anything and everywhere. So they retrace the steps. They're like running around to all the people in the flats. They're ringing the pub, they're ringing friends. Everything's like the search is on and then there's literally nothing. So over the next few days, her family and Greg basically set up, they set up a website. They're posting all over social media to try and get any info about her whereabouts her last moves. And the police are looking everywhere that they can Friday the 17th is when she went missing. He gets home on Sunday the 19th. Yeah. And this is like Monday the 20th or whatever. Yeah. They just spend the whole day kind of sorting out. So the 21st, so the Tuesday they start doing press conferences. Mm-hmm. Straight away. Um, the 22nd, Greg does his own one and is just please, we were like lifers. Like we are literally together forever. Like you have to just tell me where she is. I think it's like very sad. That is very sad. Yeah. And I think obviously the parents do the first one and they're like, please come forward with any information. The police are doing stuff. And then Yeah, he does one that's we literally had plans to be together forever. We're so young. Tell me where the fuck she is. Yeah. It's, the police also kind of determined from the. Scene, the crime scene that that all they have to go off, like her kitchen basically, um, is that there was no sign of struggle as if she'd opened the door or even let her abductor in to the house. It's so mad to me though, because like the, was she holding the pizza? Yeah. This is what it's like, I can't get over it. Like, why the p the pizza to be missing is a very, very fucking weird thing. Yeah. Like the, or did they eat it together? It's so interesting, isn't it? Your brain goes to so many places because he must be sat there. Did she invite someone over? Was that a plan? You know, there's two siders and a pizza. What is happening? Yeah. Where's the thought process? What is go you'd be literally trying every possibility of what could have happened in your head and like why is that?'Cause even if she'd popped out. I don't know, in a world where she likes her neighbors, she popped out the front door to offer a neighbor some pizza. And just going out there, there'd be records, but also would you go without anything? Yeah, nothing. Your keys. Yeah. There was nothing else missing as well so it wasn't like, oh, our plate is missing. It was like, yeah, just the pizza. There's just no pizza there. Yeah. Greg was, yeah, so basically it was like, it was as if she'd opened the door, but none of her friends had said they'd gone round. Yeah. She didn't really know anyone else. Like in the area. Yes. And Greg was obviously ruled out because he was not there far away with his parents. So yeah, there's nothing but panic. So yeah, here we go. So on Christmas Day. 2010 at around 9:00 AM a couple are walking their dog on Longwood Lane, three miles from Joanna and Greg's flat. When a body was found in the snow, ah it had been eight days since Joanna was last seen and the body was completely frozen, but she was fully clothed and the police believed that it was Joanna. She thought she had frozen to death at the start, but after analyzing the body, it was clear her cause of death had been strangulation. Oh God. She also dunno why they thought that she'd froze to death at the start because she had 43 different injuries on her body. Or do you think she did fell down the stairs and then froze to death? Yeah, literally froze to death and then got 43 injuries in the and and also how I hate to say this, but how frozen was her body for them to not be able to. See that there was injuries Yeah. Beforehand.'cause 43 means that that also she was missing. Yeah. Wild. But she, I think they must have maybe like right at the start, been like, oh my God, she must have what? Went out of a lovely warm flat, wandered into the gold, went three miles away. Yeah. And then was like, I'll just sit, stay here. Fuck off. Yeah. I know. And the fact that then there's 43 separate injuries Yeah. On a young girl's body and that you are looking at okay. Maybe if you thought through, I get, maybe if you are like, okay, maybe somebody abducted her and then she got away. Yeah. And froze to death. I don't know. It's so bad. Because also these, so these injuries were on her whole woody, including a fractured nose cuts and bruises, which felt like like however this was. Executed. It was very slow and painful. Um, also, one of her breasts were exposed, which was inconclusive of sexual motive, but they also noted this, even though there was no other evidence of sexual motive. Okay. So it was a point made. Okay. It wasn't just like it was, it was, it was a footnote. Yeah. Or it was a footnote. It wasn't a way that it was like, it could have just clicked, but it was almost like it had been placed out of whatever clothing. But if you were investigating like down the line, maybe that's something that you need to be of notice to like, and it was like, we can't find any sexual motive or any DNA that proves this is sexual. But the way that, okay. So it's not like it had just sort of maybe her breast had fallen out. It was more like, it was like, I think that only happens in yeah. Films written by men. What was it? Oh, in, oh, Halloween. Oh, Halloween. Yes. In Halloween. Yeah. Halloween and tit comes out the time. So many fucking boobies. And everyone's tits falls out. They're fighting. Falls out as they're dying every time. And you're like, the only likelihood is if you're ever wearing like a brawler and you wake up and your tits like the bra. It's like in between. Yeah. Yeah. But that's it. But you'd never just be like, oops, my boob. Ooh. It's just, yeah. My shirt fell open and my tit fell out. Yeah. We were watching Halloween the other day and we were literally like, I forgot how just, it's just starting. It is actually probably a ludicy bad thing for us to say, but like that film is actually kind of terrible. Yeah, it is kind of terrible. It's like It's iconic though. It is. It is iconic as a slasher. Absolutely is. But is kind of a fucking terrible film. Yeah. And it just, but like Tits and knives. Tits and knives. What more do you want? Tits and knives. Slow burn. Yeah, so that was just something to note basically. It doesn't really kind of go anywhere, but it was just something that Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were sort of saying, On the 27th, Greg and her parents and her brother visited the scene and laid flowers and loads of other cute stuff, but they also, that was the day that they identified the body as Joanna Yates. Did they, did they do that or the family did it? Her family. Oh, so sad. Yeah. The toxicology report also confirmed that Joanna did not consume the pizza that she bought on the night of her disappearance. Also fucking baffled. Never thought I'd be so bamboozled by a pizza. Yeah, I know. It is really bamboozling, isn't it? I've said toxicology, but is it still toxicology for food or is that just chemicals in your tongue? No, toxicology is about your. It would just be stomach content. Yeah, just so just whatever parts toxicology is like poisoning or alcohol level. Yeah. No, I think it's like your blood toxicology. Yeah. So toxicology is chemicals, chem chemicals kind. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, that's fine. So yeah, not toxicology just from stomach content contents. Yeah. There was no pizza consumed. Although that might be on a toxicology report. I dunno how that works. Yeah, I dunno how it works. I wrote toxicology, but then I thought, I think that that's just would usually be chemicals and stuff, wouldn't it anyway. Who knows? Some more qualified than us, I said. Yeah. They also I assume this is from her body being frozen, couldn't actually give an accurate time of death. So it could have been any time between Friday night as she got home up until Sunday night, which is. Literally not helpful at all for their timeframe. I suppose she, yeah, she's frozen though, isn't she? Which makes things hard. And it's you know, was she taken somewhere and kept for the weekend and then killed on the Sunday? Or was she straight away? Or did she die away? Straight away?'cause then it's like there's a whole weekend of shit that they would need to like, she could have gone and been anywhere. Like Yeah, literally. Yeah. It's just, they're just really in a pickle because they're like, we don't have anything, any information. We have nothing. Like they found our body. But that was literally on accident. That wasn't to do with any copying at all. It was literally just someone walking on Christmas Day. Yeah. What a shit Christmas day. That is a fucking awful Christmas. Awful Christmas for the family. Yeah, but also fucking horrible for those people that found it. That had to find, yeah. And that's why. Christmas is for staying in your fucking pajamas and sit your ass down. Stay in your house. Yeah. Eat, drink. Yeah. Watch tv. Be merry. Yeah. Stay indoors. A couple of fun games. Yeah. Maybe a cracker or two. That's about as far as it should go. Yeah. You should never venture out. So this one year we went out on Christmas Eve and Tanisha was working on Christmas day. Oh gosh. And um, I just kind of woke up to Tanisha just in her room and I was in her bed and she was just like, Merry Christmas. And I was like, oh, bye. And then she went out and like she looked hanging and I was absolutely hanging and I got up and I was like, I was dressed as an elf, so I think I'd put one of your jumpers on. But I still had like my elf tights and the only shoes I had were like big elf shoes. And I'd walked outta the house and I was making the walk back to my family home to spend time with my family for Christmas day. And I like got to the roundabout near where Tanisha used to live and like this family of cyclists were just like coming past, like dinging all their bells and they were just like, Merry Christmas. And I was like, Merry Christmas. And then they just like were cycling pads and they were like, have a lovely day. And I just threw off straight into the bush. It was so bad. And I literally must have looked gray, like I was so hungover. I particularly'cause anyone who's not from the uk obviously we love any occasion to drink, but Christmas Eve is something else entirely. It's something else. Like we aren't spending it with our families. Very, we're every single fucking one of us is in a pub and we were working, I was working on Christmas Eve and N was working on Christmas Day, so she was at my work getting drunk while I was working, but I was getting drunk whilst being at work, work while I was working because I had to work the evening. And then, you know, it was coming to a time where I was gonna close and our friend was dressed up as Santa. Yeah. And he was on this really tall stool and next thing you know, he is just falling off this stool and just smacked onto the ground. God, it was absolutely parnish. And we like, we like had been drinking the 23rd as well. Like the night night. Yeah. That was our fake Christmas day wasn't it? Or something. Yeah, we were like, sat in our living room and we'd drank loads of wine and then basically like our friends were like, oh, we are gonna go home because we're gonna be sensible so that we can get. Absolutely obliterated tomorrow. And then like basically our house was just like, everyone used to just walk in. So like me, Amy and my housemate, Georgia, we were all like in bed together. Oh yeah. In that morning. And then all of a sudden two of the boys walk through the door with a bottle of wine in each hand and like cans of fosters. And it's like literally seven 30 in the morning so bad. And they just fucking throw them at us and they're like, it's Merry Christmas. It's Mer. Yeah. Literally it's Christmas E And that just preceded a day of drinking. Yeah. And then for some fucking reason I was walking down to my shift like. Look, I'm drunk. I, and for some reason I also had to see my ex-boyfriend that day, my ex-boyfriend mum. Oh yes, that was true.'cause she wanted to give me presents. So true love, love you tri. Um, and yeah, I had to, I had to see her, so I had to pretend that I was so sober. But I'd been drinking for hours. Hours inside the house waiting. Yeah. And I was absolutely ripped off. Anyway, it's honestly, I dunno how we made it through. No, no idea. It was carnage. But yeah, it was carn. But Christmas, that was probably my worst Christmas day. It was really a low point. And I got home and my brother was also too hung over to cook the roast. So I ended up just literally getting home, opening a bottle of Prosecco, putting on the chef whites and just going straight in with my dad for making the Christmas dinner. I was just drunk for about four days straight. I went to work and I had to work from seven 30 in the morning until midnight. Yeah. So sad. Yeah. Brutal day. We gave up on Christmas. Yeah. Did quite a lot, but I did have that one off for some reason. Anyway back to the story. Yeah, they couldn't, they basically didn't know at what point that she had died. Yeah. They didn't know the last person who saw her. They knew she'd gone home, but they didn't know why she left the house or why she let someone into the house. Right. Or like anything. They just really lost. This led the police to think that the killer may have taken the pizza for themselves. Fuck off. Yeah. So this was just them being like, well, if she hasn't eaten it Yeah. And if he house, she's either, she's clearly open, there's no sign of a struggle. So he's obviously let her, she's opened the door and to this person, she hasn't been like, get out and he's broken the door down or she, I'm not always saying it's a he. Yeah. But it's, it's always a he, but it's, but it's not always, but most of the time, yeah, it's just they're just like, well, I guess they must have taken it with them. Mm. Okay. Um, because there's no way, there's nowhere else it could be. Well, yeah, but that's just I, I know this person murdered somebody, so like obviously they're already wrong in their head, but why? But what the fuck? Yeah. What in the absolute morbid also, who are you that you are literally like, oh, murder, murder, murder. I'm so hungry. Yeah. Literally all these murders making me me hungry, fucking mad. Also, why even if why you give dinner as well in that moment. That's what I mean. Even if you weren't hungry in that moment, but you had the forethought enough to be like, not that I shouldn't murder this person, so to jail. She's got any snacks in the fridge. Yeah. Yeah. Wild. So bad. This was then when the murder investigation under the name Operation Braid begins, um, there's 80 people on the case and DCI, Phil Jones from Somerset Major Crimes was the senior investigating officer on this. So thousands of calls in leads came through.'cause I think the media were like, let's, post this literally everywhere. It's like a Christmas tragedy. Yeah. Get it out there. Like it was on there once month. Young lady killed at Christmas. Yeah. It's like everyone was panic. Panic. Yeah. So yeah, loads of leads came through and stuff and they looked through all of it. They looked through a hundred hours of CCTV. They went through 293 tons of rubbish from the surrounding areas to try and find anything. But mainly that fucking pizza. 10,000. Yeah. That's mad. Yeah. That is a lot of rubbish to go through. Just to find any kind of like evidence of anything. Yeah. And they found literally nothing 10,000 pounds from Crime Stoppers. And 50,000 pounds from the sun as a reward for any info that could catch the killer. And yeah, 60,000 pounds. I would sell out my own mum for that. Yeah, wouldn't you? Oh yeah. I'd literally be like 60 K. Yeah. Well, dear hell yeah. But I'd be like, she did it. I saw her in a base and pesto pizza. Yeah. She said she liked pesto, so I think it was her. Yeah, so then they do arrest a 63-year-old man called Christopher Jeffries because he was the landlord of the flat and he lived above Joanna and Greg. So I think they were like, it has to be someone closely related. Yeah. Okay, let's go with this guy. They seized his silver Chrysler car. Christopher Jeffries. I feel like that's quite a festive name. Is it Christopher? Oh, I guess so. Christopher. This is him. Yeah. I, I know this case now. Do you, I know this case now. Do you? Yeah. I literally, this entire time have been like Joanna Yates. I know that name. Yeah. But non nothing's clicking. Yeah. And now I know exactly. I know the case. Yeah, I know it. Okay. Right. Okay. Come back to you. Yeah, I know. Now, so Christopher Jeffries is key. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His car was seized. He's the landlord. He lived above them. He looks kind of funny. Yeah, he looks very funny. Yeah. Um, he, sorry, he looks if some sort of mole mated with a g known Yeah. With that guy Ebenezer. Scrooge. Yeah. He does look like Ebenezer. Scrooge. Yeah. Yes. So he said he'd seen Joanna leaving her flat with two people at around 9:00 PM talking and whispered tones. And then the media question him about this, like obviously they're all hanging out outside the flat and stuff. Mm-hmm. And being quite intrusive because there's so much drama going on. Um, my, the road was going. But yeah, when they question him, he's no, I didn't actually see her. Eek. Sorry, I didn't mean that. Do you know what I mean? So then, okay, the media are like the fuck. Yeah. Are you doing which one's the truth? What are you making up? Don't trust him. Why are lying about that? Yeah. It's always someone that's re related to them in some way, and he's their landlord. So it would make sense because usually they'd know blah, blah, blah. Um, so the media literally fuck up this dude's life. That's why this thing that you've seen is like his name. Yeah. Because it's like such a scandalous time of how his life went. Yeah. They bash him absolutely hard in the media. They decide it's him from the minute he says this. Yeah. I watched, I, the, the reason I know about this is because I watched a documentary that was heavily set on what happened to him. Yeah, yeah. Basically. So yeah, they just decide it's him. Um, and the police bring him for questioning after this because the police are like, well, you've been a bit awkward. Yeah. And your car, we need to seize your car, which we'll come to. But they bring him in and the media are like, we fucking knew it. Yeah. So they go in literally so hard. And Bella Fury is a podcast. I listened to this'cause I had all of my notes, but they were really messy. And I listened to hers for a flow because obviously I didn't wanna, this is like a key part. And I was like, when should I bring it in and stuff. But, um, she is like the, she says in it that like the UK media, she was like, I dunno what is going on with them, but they're so fucked. Yeah. So this must have been like. I know that people that aren't from the uk, like you may not know this, but our media can just, yeah, I, I guess it's the same in any kind of, also I, it is, there's something about the UK media especially can be so savage and so also they, they're, it is very unforgiving and it isn't necessarily, I think it's a lot of media now to be honest, but maybe it was, it's always been the case in the uk. Yeah. It's such a following in the UK as well. Everyone tab falls through it. It started with tabloid journalism and now it's sort of like, it's, it seems to be the fucking fake news, you know, sort of across everywhere that's happening. But like it is, that fact isn't fact. Yeah. It's whatever the popular opinion is and you can be, you basically can be vilified by popular opinion. Yeah. You can be swayed and you can make, and the whole nation is against you. Yeah. But the facts are the facts. Yeah. The facts don't matter. And that many people are believing that like instead of them just waiting to see what the police say. Yeah. And whether he could have done it or not, the media just literally lay into him for something. Just because he probably was overwhelmed by people getting up in his space and journalists being like, you know, or maybe even enjoyed the attention a little bit and made something up, which is not good. Yeah. Because I think he, so he said it and it was a lie, but then when the media were like, what did you say? And he was just like, ah, I don't know. Like also I reckon by looking at this guy, I reckon he was just heard some youth and was like, must have been her being something. Yeah. Did, I mean, like he strikes me as someone that's a bit like, get off my lawn. Yeah. You know? I bet. Yeah. Um. But yeah, I dunno, there's a lot of other things that could have happened other than he did it, but, and I understand that everyone was like, oh my God, that makes complete sense if it was him. But yeah, the media kind of really fuck up this whole situation, I think. But yeah, something that made him especially suss was that he knew that she was gonna be alone that weekend. So that's another reason why the police brought him in, because Greg actually needed to jumpstart his car that night before he left, but they didn't really have anything to go on. So they keep questioning him, but nothing really useful is happening. Whilst they are holding him. That is So you coded to fucking, where are they? Bristol. Yeah. To have to jumpstart your car and then drive it to Sheffield. That is me literally being like, off I go. Yeah. Like a world trip. And then it's just my car's broken That is very me. Yeah. So whilst he's in custody and he's being held and they don't really have anything to go off, a neighbor calls and says that they actually saw him move his car that night. So the police are that's good to know. Confirmed. Yeah. But they search his house and they question him for two whole days, and there's nothing valuable at all. They have no evidence to go off, so they have to release him. Chris actually ends up suing eight newspapers for this slandering, and the police also end up having to publicly apologize for doing this to him, as it literally ruins his life for barely any evidence. Yeah. And I guess it's not really the police's fault, but I think the police have to put out a statement that it's leave the skier alone, because Yeah. Until we've told you that someone's done something, you have to stop because he just does not get left. Yeah. And especially because they bring him in, which. Sends the media into a frenzy and then they let him go just into that. Yeah. And then, yeah, I get that, that into the frenzy and you already know it's frenzy, you probably should have off your own back made a statement. Mm-hmm. And then listen, we've got no proof that this man has done anything. Leave him alone. Yeah. You've just gotta leave it until we say otherwise. Yeah. And justice will be served if he did it, arrest it. Yeah. We'll figure it out. But don't you guys, but can now just fucking back off. And I think they are just like, it would track and everything kind of makes sense. And obviously if the car's been seized and someone said that they saw him move his car, like why is the car been seized? There must be something. Yeah. I don't know. But it's the court of public opinion, isn't it? Oh yeah, that's, that can be just as bad as actually going down for a crime. So his life is kind of ruined, basically. But he sues loads of newspapers and that's why there's such a massive deal around him because, um, he Yeah. Fights back. So there's also reports because of, so this lady said that she was having a ciggy outside at a party on this. Friday night and she heard a scream from near Joanna's Flat. Friday night in Bristol. What do you expect? Yeah. Loud everywhere. They got DNA and statements from everyone at that specific party, but there was nothing useful. They also looked into other unsolved cases that were like strangling cases or disappearing case, like people disappearing or anything unsolved in Bristol or bath or surrounding areas. There was a case in York, apparently Claudia Lawrence, who went missing in 2009. Hers was really similar. She was home alone. She was returning from a night house with friends, same age, et cetera, but they couldn't find a link they're branching out around, but they're also trying to find anything in the local area and like they are putting quite a lot of effort into this. But we fast forward to the 2nd of January the next year, so, just, it's almost been a month. And yeah. A couple of weeks after she's been found, her body's been found. Yeah. Okay. They did so many patrols and then they just started urging women to not walk home alone at night. Yeah. Because what else can you do at this point? You don't know if someone's gonna attack again. Or if this is a one time thing. I mean, how can that be a one time thing either. Exactly. And like it's, I don't, it's like really difficult.'cause obviously some people can't, don't have that choice. Yes. But I think they're just saying I know we can't tell everyone, like just be, have wit you just walk home with other people, you know? If you can walk home with someone else, do. If you don't have to walk out, out at night, then maybe don't do that. They also ask people to secure their home success since also doing this fucking pod. What I've realized is I fucking hate being at work at night now. Having to walk to the car or, like it's making you so Yeah. Aware of I'll always, I'll obviously. If we're finishing at the same time, like if I'm on a close, then I'll wait if someone's parked in the same car park. Mm-hmm. But oh my God, since doing this podcast, I literally, when I'm walking, I'm literally like, yeah, boots me out. Anytime I'm alone, I'm like in the dark. Actually it's quite scary. Not that I didn't use to, like I used to, I just wasn think about as much as scared I as much, yeah. I wouldn't think about it as much. And then now it's sort of like, yeah, it's actually like you could just be strolling home with a pizza f Tesco without any idea that it might Oh, how terrifying it is to exist as a woman, honestly. They also say to people like, secure your homes the best you can, you know? Yeah. Do what you can. Because I feel like it's just remember to lock that back door just in case.'Cause we don't know what we're dealing with. We don't know if it was a group of people. We don't know if it is someone pretending to be a. A person of service, you know, like you just don't know. Yeah. So they team up with Crime watch as usual, um, in hopes to find any new info. Her parents do a televised appeal with crime watch after again to try and beg anyone for more info. They make a Facebook thing where people can write in their tips and leads info instead of call. Um, I feel like that I put here, I think it's when Facebook was like popping off, you know? Yeah. Around this time that everyone and everyone p why each other? We get, yeah. Why didn't we get like social media, Facebook yeah. Leads because that might be how people are kind of interacting at the moment. And that's how they wanted to reach many people. Um, and this actually brought in quite a lot of information. So on the 5th of January, a statement, oh my God. Sorry. It's a birthday. It's my birthday. You really made me jump. Sorry. While I was like, what Spider? That's my birthday. Birthday. Don't you guys forget it?'Cause it's coming soon. Yeah, the 5th of January, a statement was made that a gray ski sock had gone missing from their house. Okay. That's something that they were like, where's her ski sock actually. Okay. Right. I feel like maybe at this point they were like going around did she not have another one of these socks as well? Okay. When was the last time? I think they're probably just like running around God, good luck if you ever came to my house.'cause I literally wear odd socks all the time. Yeah. Like every, like Lauren does not wear matching socks. It's like a thing that she just can't, she just won't do it. So there's just socks everywhere with pairs and obviously like I like to keep my socks together. Yeah. Tom asks me all the time when he does the washing, how I've got no matching socks. Yeah. Such I don't do it on purpose. I. Dunno, don't seem to have I stay together. I have to keep an eye on them all the time. They have to be together. And we're matching today though. Yeah, they're cute and they've got ears. They're so cute. Yeah, so they feel like a ski socks gone missing. So the killer may have had this, so they put out this thing on Facebook that's if anyone sees anything similar, then if anyone anyone sees a sock. Yeah. If anyone sees a gray ski sock fucking gray. Like it's not even it's got something specific. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's so vague, but they're like, yeah. They entertained every single tip and lead to try and find anything. The local MP at the time apparently made a statement that said that she would support the police to getting DNA of every man in Bristol if she thought that that would anyway help the case. But because they can't find. Any DNA to match it. Oh, okay. I was like, that would help the case, but they've got nothing to compare it to DNA. Yeah. So, yeah, that makes sense. It's fucking crazy, isn't it? That is mad. Like she was like, if I thought it would help, I would do that. Would literally DNA make every single person come forward and do it. So they also tracked all sex offenders. In the area or like previous convicted people and stuff, and they were just like kind of exceeding every lead. The police decided to use an outside company that works specifically with DNA, and they managed to use this DNA sense technology to actually attract some DNA from under her clothes at this point. Okay. So they are really hammering in on the DNA doing whatever they can find some, yeah. Maybe we can get it. So due to the televised information from Joanna's parents, a tip comes in to check a 38-year-old man called Vincent Beck. He was born in the Netherlands in 1978 and he moved Bath in 2007. A year later he met a woman and they moved to Bristol together in June, 2009. The police didn't really feel like anything was suss about him right at the start, except he did live in the same block of flats as Joanna did and then they put two and two together that he was the man that called in about Christopher's car. Car. So they were like that's weird. And this is what I was talking about week. That's why I was like, kept some fucking idiot wants to interject when you could have just left it alone. And maybe they wouldn't have noticed and maybe they would've been like this. There's nothing weird about this guy. Sorry. The tip that came in about him. Do we know what that was like? Why they said they should look into him? What made him suspicious? It might have just been a tip that somebody was like, I think he's suss. Yeah. It might just be, have you checked this guy?'cause I know he lives in the building and he Footwear. Yeah, there few. Things that we'll kind of find out that he's done. We'll find out. I can't remember all of it. So at the start they were like, yeah, no, just, we've already checked him. Like we checked everyone in the flat. There's nothing weird about him. He's literally just like this guy that lives with some other girl. And he was boring, but the fact that he'd called in about the car, they were that. Right? So now you're on our radar because someone said to look into you, but conveniently you called about the car. You called in about someone else. That which makes him look really guilty, doesn't have enough evidence against him. It just would've been perfect for the media if it had been him. Mm-hmm. So yeah, bit of a stupid move, IMO. But some people just love to interject, don't they? Alongside all of these dead ends and pointless leads,, and press releases, there is already a slight. Investigation going on alongside it about Vincent Quebec. So let's just kind of get into this about him. So he is obviously questioned right back at the start on the 20th of September. He says he didn't know anything. He also said he didn't even know who she was or where she lived, right? He had had his flat searched too at the start, but nothing was suss about that at all. Yeah, nothing suspicious. On the 23rd of December after questioning, Vincent goes to his girlfriend's families for Christmas and the police call him just as a routine to kind of gather his whereabouts of specifically from the night. He told them he was home that night and at 2:00 AM he picked up his girlfriend from a work party, but he was ruled out as a suspect even though he didn't really have a valid alibi. Yeah. It was just that he was at, in the flat at Yeah, at the time he was just ruled out because. He said he did not know her. Yeah. Okay. And he just seemed I think there was probably quite a lot of people that were just like, I don't know her, but I was at home on Friday night by myself. Yeah. Okay. Right. No real reason to suspect. So I just, nothing. Yeah. There was just no reason for him to be on their radar back just before Christmas. But he had been on people's radar basically. So this was also around the time that the Christopher, like Chris Jeffries shit was going on, so the police weren't really focusing in on that. Yeah. This guy, they were really in, on this whole Chris Jeffrey thing. But he was the guy that had called to snitch on the landlord for moving his car that night, conveniently when the police already had Chris in custody and the media were going full throttle on blaming him for murder on him. Yeah. So the police are like, why fuck has he made such a conscious effort to put the blame on someone else? So apparently this was happening. Whilst this was happening originally, and Chris was found innocent, the police were like, let's look further into this guy, because also they've got no other leads anyway. So they're like, hello, random tip. That's fine. We'll just look into it.'cause we have nowhere else to go. Mm-hmm. And Vincent is actually in the Netherlands for New Year's Eve because he was ruled out as a suspect. So he literally could just do whatever the fuck he wanted. So he was in his hometown and then, the police flew out to question him some more. Like, why would you say that? Why, why did they fly out? I don't know. Why didn't they just wait until he got home? Maybe they wanted to go to the Netherlands for New Year's Eve. Yeah. But yeah. But also, would you not be slightly concerned that he just might not come back? If he knows that you are looking into him again. Yeah. It's so weird. I guess maybe timers of the essence, but I just love it how they're like, no, we'll go to the Netherlands. Don't worry. Yeah, we'll just get on the next flight and we'll just go there. They christianed him for six hours and they're basically in the interview room. They're just like, tell us more. Why did you say this about the car? Like why did you call in?'cause we seized his car and we've checked his car and you are saying it's moved, but there's no other recollection of that, so what the fuck? Yeah. And he is spiraling, like right off the get go. He changes his, he gets, he gets all weird and he changes his tune completely. He completely changes his story for some fucking weird ass reason. You couldn't even remember the core details. Yeah, like it was so weird. He says he went out twice before getting his girlfriend at 2:00 AM He also randomly says that he went into Joanna's hallway once. When he was talking to Chris one time, even though he claimed he did not know her, did know her or where she lived or anything. But for some reason he's oh, the landlord. And like all of us were like there and we were, I was in the hallway out. To be fair, do you ever, do you ever say something like, sometimes I just say things that are a lie, a because I know they're a lie and I just, I just think I say it and then I think, why did I just say that? Yeah, like that was a lie. That time that that person was like at work was like, oh, have you watched Chicago, the musical? And you were like, yeah. And then she was like, it's nothing like the film though. Have you seen the film? And you were like, no, I haven't. And then you turn around and you were like, I have seen the film and I haven't seen the plane. I've seen those. So why did I just lie like that? Well, like I'd be at tables and then like when I worked in, I worked in a hotel and I'd be at tables and I was veggie at the time, and I'd be like. Someone would be like, oh, I love this beef boon. Have you tried it? Is it not the best thing? And I'd be like, oh my God. It's literally the most delicious thing I've ever tasted. I love it so much. And I'd walk away from the table and I'd be like, dunno why I lied. Yeah. I just lied. I'm not sure why. Honestly, it's my favorite. People at work would be like, what's your favorite? Like whatever. Yeah. And I'll be like. That one. Yeah. I dunno why I just lied. I think it's so, I've never even tried it. It'll literally be like some raisin filled, creepy thing that I don't like, but like in that sense, you are, as you're selling, I understand it, but sometimes I just lie because for no reason. For no reason. Yeah, it really made me laugh when that woman was like, you were like, yeah, I've seen the musical before. And I was thinking, no, you fucking haven't such a lie. And then, yeah, she was like, oh. And it's just so much like the film, isn't it? Did you, have you seen the film with Bridget Jones or whatever, and you were like, no. And afterwards you were like, I just lied to both of those. And it just, the opposite answer, it really made me laugh. Yeah. But I, it when that happens and I lie and I've obviously made it a subconscious decision to lie. Yeah. And it's, it's not, I'm not doing about really big things. Like I'm not, not about murdering somebody, but sometimes I do get caught, someone then starts to question the lie and then I start spiral and be like, why the fuck did I laugh? Yeah. Yeah. Well they've been like, why did you lie about the car? And he's been like, look, I went out twice that night. Okay. And I, and I did go in our hallway, but it was just this one time because, so just leave me alone. I mean, I know they're in there for six hours, so that's not how that happened. Yeah. But it really feels like he's just he's just fucking lost it. Like it is fun to lie to strangers. Don't lie to people you love, but lie strangers like all the police. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun to lie. Strangers a little white lie never hurts. It spruces up the day. Yeah. But yeah, if you are gonna lie about something as big as that and to the police. Yeah. Get your fucking storage there. And you need to be able to hold your line under pressure. Yeah. Literally. This is what I don't get about people who murder, why they murder for one, but like also, but after, have you not thought this through? Yeah. If you think that, that you are prepared to murder a person and take someone's life, you need to be prepared. For the questions and for the alibis. This is like Robert Durst when he's lying about his going out for a drink with the neighbor. They said that didn't happen. This is so easy then to dis brew on a midnight walk and phone the house. No you didn't. No you didn't like you didn't do any of these things. So can you just get your story straight before you decide to commit murder? Yeah. At least do that because that's just what fucks me off is it's like you get to do this thing where you take someone's life and you control a whole set of people's future by taking someone out of it. But you still couldn't be asked at the, to hammer out the details. The very least you didn't sit down and think when they come and talk to me. Yeah, this is what I'm gonna say. This is what I'm gonna say. And it's foolproof because like you don't have the right to murder someone anyway. But when you are that stupid afterwards. Yeah. I'm like, what do you actually think? What was it for? Yeah. Honestly fucks me off.. So they're why the are you saying that? This is so unprompted. Like what We didn't ask you if you, we asked you ages ago if you knew her, you said, no, now you're telling me that you've been in a hallway absolutely unhinged. So the police are like, there was something so weird going on. So they ask him for DNA obviously, uh, and then because they have the DNA now from her clothes, they're like sending off to see if it matches. So he has to come back. So he comes back to the UK on the 2nd of January and he just awaits the information and lo and behold the DNA matches. Vincent Beck's, DNA was found on Joanna Yates's breast genes and under her knees, I assume from moving her. Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. uh, we just had some real technical difficulties. Yeah. Fear in me forever. Yeah. We just watched the entire screen start dibbing out and Yeah, we thought lost on the transcript, just like us going No, no, no. Not, I thought that was the garner. Um, I'm not sure where we got to, but yes, I do know where. Apparently it's like a, apparently a one in a billion chance that this DNA doesn't belong to him. Okay. So like it is fucking unlikely. Yeah. The old scar that is stacked against him. Yeah. There is barely any possibility in the world that it's not his DNA. And as we know, some people go to prison for the other way round of those. Stats. Mm-hmm. So he's in deep shit basically. He is arrested. There was DN her DNA in his car. Her body had fibers from his coat and his car. At the start, he claims this is completely wrong. He apparently says the DNA researcher has been paid to set him up. Yeah, of course. Of course. You some random fucking guy on the street. Yeah. On the conspiracy for sure. Yeah. For. So he is being a pain in the ass, basically. Of course. Yeah. Um, he's just being like, wow, up, here's the fucking thought. Don't murder someone. Yeah. Don't murder someone. And then try and pin it on the guy that the media's pinning it on. That's just gonna make you look suss. Yeah. So on the eighth of Feb, he is on remand and he goes to speak to a chaplain like church dude. And when he comes away from it, he confesses to the murder. He apologizes and he's yeah, I did it. Lovely. He's sorry. But yeah, it was me. And then on the 5th of March he enters a plea deal for his trial for manslaughter. Yeah, not murder. I don't understand how, what the sequence of events are there for you to have said. Man's laughter. Yeah, literally they obviously, they're like, nah, yeah, we reject this my friend. So the 4th of October is when this trial occurs. So this is quite a way on. And everyone's trying to get loads of evidence for motive and his movements, et cetera, so they can fully send him down. They look through his computer at his house and his search history is. Fucked. There's like really rough pornography and like degrading women. Lots of choking during sex. This was like a main feature, like aggressively choking. Okay. There was 145 images of child porn. Oh, okay. So he's a fucking creep. I'm not gonna lie. When you said the choking, I was like, it's kind of light work. The porn, the child pornography. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think it was like aggressively choking as well. Like maybe to the point of passing out. Yeah. Like it's, yeah. Okay. That's a bit wild. Yeah, I think like it was like rough stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, there's the child porn three. The. Images specifically were of importance to the case. And these were of a blonde woman with a pink top that was the same kind of top as Joanna's with the top pulled up and the breast exposed as well. Um, so it's basically exactly how the crime scene was found. So they're like, is he's it was staged is, yeah, it's staged. Yeah. He was kind of copying this. Vibe. It also kind of more confirms that it was him. Yeah. Because they've got something, basically exactly how her body was found. Also his search history was sentences for manslaughter versus murder maps of the area that she had been found. Definition of sexual assault. Constantly looking at articles of her searched up body decomposition. Her name was searched all the time. Like all of the articles about it was, this was all in his fucking search history. So what a dumb like dumb fuck. Dumb fuck. Yeah. Dumb fuck. In his trial he says he did kill her, but it was an accident. Yeah, I'm sure. Since the manslaughter versus murder. Yeah. He said that she invited him in for a drink and then flirted. With her because she invited him in. So he thought that was like an open invite. Mm-hmm. He tried to kiss her and then she screamed. He covered her mouth and his other arm was around her neck, and within 20 seconds she had died. That's not how strangulation works. And also like how can you even. That is what happened. How can you still call that manslaughter? Yeah. Like how can he still say, but it was an accident. Oh, I, she just screamed too loudly. So I accidentally tried to kill her. Yeah. Like I said, he covered her mouth and her neck and within, yeah, so bad. He put her body in the boot and then he dumped her body. At the crime scene also, that can't possibly be the case because she had over 43 injuries. Yeah. It's so bad like that. You ain't 43 injuries. Someone accident. Yeah. Think of a better story. Yeah. So the prosecution were like, the fucking injuries. Hello. Also, she wouldn't do that is recollection like that her friends have said how anxious she was to be home alone. She is not inviting someone that she does not know into her house. They said that he must have watched her come home. Chris had also, by this point, confirmed that Vincent also knew that she was home alone because he was around at the time that Okay. That he was getting his car jumped. Yeah they said he knocked on the door. He knew she was alone. She answers the door to him. He pushes his way into the house and attacks her. She tries to fight back and that's where her injuries come into play. He had scratch like defense wounds on his hands, so she must have scratched the shit out of him for them to still be there. Yeah. All of that time on. But I guess that's just all she could do. There was an hour between this and the body being dumped, which implies that that's where. He was slow and it was painful and he was in the house with her and he was, you know, probably took her to the boot of his car where her DNA is and yeah. He then goes to Asda with her in the boot and gets crisps and beer and apparently he's texting his girlfriend at the time going oh, lol, I'm so bored. I'm in the shop'cause I'm so bored waiting for you to come home. Yeah. Also it is, I don't know how they know this, what happened to the fucking pizza? Yeah. So he ate it. So he took it and he went to Asda. So basically he takes, takes her body and he's oh, a pizza. And he takes it with him and then he goes, manslaughter. Is it? Yeah. Literally manslaughter. Is it literal run. He goes to fucking Asda with her in the boot and he still has the key. Well riot. Hike it up to murder and then get him on theft because he stole that fucking pizza. I know. It is so slimy. Then he goes to get like his components, the crisps and beer to go with his pizza snack. He dumps a body and he goes off and he gets his girlfriend from her fucking work party and is probably oh, such a boring night without you. Babes didn't really get up too much. He was acting completely. She says he was acting completely fine the whole time. Picked her up was like, you know what a fucking sociopath. Yeah. And she confirmed that he then ate that pizza and crisps and beer, but she thought that he'd gone and bought it, it's actually fucked. And he's just sat there thinking, nom nom on this. After I dumped her body, I'm fucking stolen her dinner. I'm speechless. Yeah, that is mad baffling, isn't it? And he's claiming manslaughter. What an absolute asshole. Apparently after as well. So the whole time that this has been going on, he was acting completely fine. He wasn't guilty, like he wasn't acting suspicious. Yeah. There was reports about him joking about the murder at parties. I don't know what that means, whether that means he's haha, this is so funny. Or being like, around, because he lives near care for everyone. Yeah. Get home safe'cause you don't wanna get murdered or whatever. Yeah. He also said, I'm so sorry to the parents for putting you through hell after strangling your daughter. He has the fucking absolute cheek to say that. Um, he also says, oh, I've had suicidal thoughts about it, so please forgive me. No it is just him trying to say. I'm having a hard time. Yeah. It's about him saying it was a complete accident. I thought she was making a pass at me and she wasn't, and she was screaming and I just wanted to stop screaming and I've been feeling so bad about it ever since and his wife's no, you fucking haven't. Is there a fucking realm where that is self defense? I mean, they're like, nah. Nanny or manslaughter, like you can't, surely that's not what manslaughter was for. Manslaughter was, oh my god, I tripped and my gun went off. Yeah, it's literally so bad. Not, oh, she was screaming. It's literally so wild. And it's because he's saying, oh, she was giving off, she invited me in, so I thought she wanted some, and actually he pushed through her front door and stayed in there for ages and gave her 43 injuries worth, stole her dinner. Flung her in the back of a car, went to fucking as done and dumped her body, and then went home and acted as if nothing happened. And now he has the cheek to come and take the stand and, and say, I was suicidal. I'm so sorry about what I did. It was a complete accident and I've been having all these terrible thoughts ever since. My God, honestly. So he gets life with a minimum of 20 years. Is he still to this day says it's an accident. Oh, fuck off. Yeah. And there's no motive or remorse. He's just it was an accident. I dunno what you want me to say. Yeah. Craig. They, so they have caught him. The family have their answers. Greg has his answer. Yeah. Um, but there's no. Reasoning it's of sense. Well, a hundred percent it is. It's that he knew she was home alone. He was home alone. Mm-hmm. He thought, you know what, I'm gonna fucking do it. I bet. And it might, he might not have got set out to kill her. No. But he definitely set out to sexually assault her. Yeah. To, and to make, and maybe she fought far harder than he was expecting. And that's why, and that's why he strangled her death. Yeah. I think But he would've killed her regardless because she's his fucking neighbor. Yeah. So there's no way. Yeah. Yeah. He gets another sentence for the child pornography as well. Just'cause they're like, throw that one in there. Yeah. Put him away, away for as long as you can. He was actually moved after a few years from maximum security to a lower risk prison, um, which I kind of looked into, and I think it just means you have a, you get more freedom. Yeah. You have a better life in there, basically. Yeah. But it's probably because he's just oh, just for my accidental strangulation of a girl that wanted. From me and I was just like super confused about, you know, do you know what I mean? Like he's really played it to be like, it was all just a complete misunderstanding and I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And they've been like, you are no harm. And you know, you don't need constant surveillance. So let's get you a little TV in your cell. Let's get you a nice little walk every day. Rage. Fucking rage. Yeah, I bet. That is slimy. Absolute fucking joke. Yeah. Literally. That is a joke. I'm almost gonna show you a picture of him.'cause he's also a absolute girl. So when is he set to be released? Do you know? So he's got life without the possibility though. So minimum of 20 years. Yeah. So that, what, when did this happen? So that was in 2010. So he's been in 2011. He probably would. Yeah. So he's been in for, yeah, yeah, that's, he's been in for 14 years, which means he could be out in the next six. Oh my God. I just really hope that they're like, absolutely not. Oh God, actually gross. She made a pass at you. Yeah. Yeah. You thought that you had a chance of her? Honestly, it is gross. Fucking ugh. Yeah. It makes me so sad. The audacity of men sometimes. Yeah. It makes me actually so angry. Yeah. Piece of shit. Absolute piece of shit. Yeah. As they always are. Yeah, that's it. The least. It got answered. At least the pizza situation got answered. It was not a good answer, but No, but it's an answer nonetheless. Yeah. And I feel like I'm glad that I did get my answer to the pizza situation. Yeah. Oh my God. And the family. I bet they were literally, even though they were probably absolutely heartbroken, thank fuck they knew. Because you would forever just be like. Did she know them? Did she not? Did she let them in? What? How long was she home for? So many crimes are senseless, like obviously all crimes are senseless. Like matters are senseless, but like this just feels like there was just no fucking point. Just no point. No. Not at all. Like what? What was the point in any of that? Yeah. He probably just saw her just being lovely and happy with her partner in a house. Creepy. Oh, that makes me, oh, so sad and all because they just moved to the wrong flat. Yeah. Or because there was just some creepy person just down the road from them that got a weird idea. One day and was like, I'm gonna execute this plan. But like the thing that like, obviously he's fucking murdered her and I fucking hate that. But the way that he's number one, the way that he's being like, oh, she invited me in. Oh no, she didn't not be my fault. Fuck. And even if she did, just to be polite. That does not make it not your fault also. No, she didn't. Yes. I'm so sad that Shely didn't, absolutely didn't. I bet she barely had even opened the door before you pushed away. Yeah. And you absolutely. She saw her neighbor at the door. So she opened the door. Yeah. Then you barged away in Yeah. For, for fucking sure. I'm certain that that woman did not wanna spend any moment of time with you. Yeah. And it's just so sad and scary. The, oh, it just makes me sad. Just leave women alone. Yeah. Leave us alone. Yeah, leave her alone. She's just a queen who liked Christmas, who just wanted to have a good little time. First time ever being in the house by herself. That's fucking horrendous. And that makes me think, how long was he watching her before? Yeah, he'd, because I just don't like that. Just waiting for an opportunity. Really. Yeah. Or did he literally just hear that some random girl was gonna be home by herself?'cause either one of those is massively fucked up. I'm not okay with either. I, it's just so scary to think that like. All it would've taken is it's not anyone's fault, but his car didn't start so he decided not to go to Sheffield or the girlfriend of the guy that did it was like, oh, I'm not feeling very well. I'm not gonna go to business party. Or maybe if Joanna was like, I'm gonna go home and see my mom because I don't wanna be in the house myself. Yeah. Or Joanna was like, I've had a really good night out. I'm gonna stay out. Gonna stay out. Yeah. It's so many things. It's so mad, isn't it? The fact that she just wanted to go home and have a little bit of me time and do something wholesome. Oh, that's so fucking wonder. Also, the feeling of you leaving, like me leaving the pub at nine o'clock as opposed to me leaving the pub at one o'clock in the morning. Mm-hmm. I feel so much safer. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh, I'm walking home at nine instead of me walking home pissed out of my head at one. Yeah. Like I feel safer because I'm like, it's still family time. Yeah. At nine people are still up. People are around watching TV and there's things going on. There's hustle and bustle in the city. Like you don't, you are not thinking of Yeah. Any of it at that time. Like it's just strolling home. You feel like you've got, a couple of hours to kill and watch. You also eat dinner. What's scary is you are home safe. Oh yeah. You are home safe. Yeah. You would've got through the door and thought, ah, great. Lovely. And she, she'd had enough time. To open her cider, but she hadn't had enough time to take her fucking phone out of her coat pocket to turn the oven on. Yeah. Any of these things. Turn on the TV to get her phone out to text her boyfriend. Literally nothing. She'd taken her coat off. She'd literally walked in, took her coat off put the pizza on the side with her, and then picked up the side. I opened it. Maybe took a swig. Yeah. And then the door, he's just gone already. Like he'd literally took, he was waiting for her. Yeah. He definitely to have been. He had to have been, had to have been. And the fact that then he was like, oh, perfect, this other guy's getting pinned for it. I'm just gonna put my two pens in to try and help the situation. And then you wanna stand up in big court and say, manslaughter, get fucked. Four eyes. You watched all of this. You watched all of this happen in. In front of your eyes and at no point did you think to call and help out the inquiry'cause you knew the answer. You cannot claim manslaughter when you went off to the Netherlands for New Year's Eve to have a right fucking giggle. Oh, I hate that man. Yeah, he's horrible. I hate that fucking weasel of a man. He's horrid. 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