Aileen Wuornos

This week, we’re taking on a case in Florida State, that leaves a lot less room for our usual giggles. We’re delving into the life and crimes of Aileen Wuornos, a story marked by trauma, survival, and a spiral into violence that’s anything but light-hearted.

We’ll walk through her turbulent upbringing, the years she spent drifting on the margins, and the murders that would make her one of the most infamous names in true crime. It’s a case full of pain, complexity, and moments that force you to pause and debate.

So settle in with something comforting and join two girls who are still winging it all, but this week, doing so with a bit more debate, a lot less comedy, and the kind of love and dependency that is too sad to comprehend. 

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Hello. Welcome back to the Most Professional podcast in the World. I think. I think it is in the world. That's what the stats are, isn't it? DJ Shout out to the birthday girl. 16. Today we're gonna play this one for you. Come on, Eileen. Eileen. Hello. Yeah, sorry. Hello. Welcome back to Kill the Moon podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything spooky Doy. There'll be lots of true crime, but also just general mysteries. Oh my God. Literally my, oh, away. My screensaver just went off. All just went blank. It's fine. There'll be lots of true crime, but just general mysteries. Some will be solved, some will leave you hanging. We are just two girls put in the world to write, but not really. We just like yapping. I'd also like to add that we are not professionals, just two ladies who apparently like the sound of their voices enough to record them and believe that you'll too. We mean no offense in anything we say. We like a huge percentage of the world, find all of this unfathomable, and this is just our own little way of trying to make sense of the senseless. Without further ado, this week's subject is Eileen Warnock. Oh, it's a heavy hitter. Yeah, this is a big one. Yeah. This is a. Sad one. Sorry. It is. It is. They're all sad. Sad. And I do sometimes wonder if it's because I identify as a feminist and I feel more sympathy for her than I do. Yeah. Any of her male counterparts. It's fucking complicated. This, it's complicated also. Sorry, side note. How do I make my phones down locked. So I go on one go you're saying. And then go to display. This would be so much for help.'cause when I do my knittings from Pinterest as well, I just, I have to keep and then there should be like a auto log 30 seconds. Yeah. You can put never and then you can just change it back whenever you want. This is why Yeah. When I'm using my grid Pinterest, I'm pretty sure mine's on fast then because I always lock my phone anyway. Yeah. So like I, I don't need it to not, I really need to change my phone password. Yeah, you do. It's literally my Yeah, I know. Which is so bad.'cause if you get in there, you've got my bank card. It's my credit card. Yeah. Mine is also pretty diabolical, but I can't say it on the pod'cause it is actually. Hey listen, this is coming out in two weeks time. I'll have changed my phone password by. You know what? Same mine's my dad's pin number. That's so funny. And that is gonna make me change my password. Yeah, that is, you're now gonna change it. Not that people know your dad's pin number. To be fair, they do know my birthday. It's very easy to find. Yeah. But then I guess if I'm gonna get hacked, they can also hack my dad. Yeah. And vice versa. I'm gonna change it. And I don't think my dad knows, and that's not really fair to him. Sorry dad. I'm gonna change it to Amy's birthday. No, we are gonna change it to Tanisha's, sort of uncle's birthday.'cause no one knows. No one knows who it is in the world. Yes. Aileen warns, I think her name is Aileen. Eh? I think so. But in the podcast, I think people say Eileen or like a, it's got like a eile to it. I think Eileen. Oh, but Eileen would be with the name. That's what he says. Come on Eileen yeah, I read it as Eileen because that's how it's spelled. Yeah. But in the documentary, there's quite a lot of people say Eileen, but also they're American and I'm not. And there's an A So it's A-I-L-E-E-N. So I'm saying Eileen. Okay. I'm with you. Come on Eileen. Yeah. Sorry. Not funny. So yes, this one's it is really sad. There's a lot to it. The reason why I'm doing it, she says I love it. I love it when you do that. This one's really sad. Anyway, moving up so swiftly on. Yeah, I just dunno how to like segue. Yeah. I'm not a ser. Anyway, moving on. Alien Morenos, she is a female serial killer in 18 80 90, 90 90 in Florida. Why did I just tell them that? I'm not sure. I thought that was the start of your, but like I think I've just put that so that we know in the future if we ever come back to it. But I feel like that's just the beginning. Yeah. And also like I'm gonna tell you she's a serial killer when I tell you about the many people she killed. It's not great. Oh, tune out young boys. They're playing someone called young boys. Are they young boys or is that what they've chosen their name to be? No. Swear to God. Look, young boys. Who the fuck are young boys? I dunno, that's not young boy. That's Emory. That's the. That I don't Tell me I don't care. I don't care. I do not care. Alright, let's, it's moving to film. That's the villa captain. That's the manager, sorry? Manager. That's the manager of the captain. Sorry. The captain of this ship. I've chose to do this because there was a new Netflix documentary that came out on the 30th of October this year. It's, there's nothing really too new. It's not like it's found out anything that new, but there's just lots of footage and like lots of, updated stuff. It's just, it's it also just means people are talking about it again, isn't it? At the moment. So Alien Warno was born in Rochester, Michigan on February the 29th, 1956. Her mom, Diane, was actually only 14 years old when she met. Aileen's dad, Leo, who was 16. Okay. So I'm not, I don't hate that as much as I hate no, it seems like they'd be moving in the same circles. I do hate that they would be 18 and 16. Yeah. Eventually, however, I guess meeting 16 and 14, it feels like you couldn't meet at school. Like you'd have the same sort of friends. Yeah. I just, that's what I mean. I feel like you just probably same circle, not big deal, is it? Yeah. Also, yeah, it's in the fifties, so then throw the books out. They could be 20 and 40. Yeah. I feel like back then it was like just fucking out the window, but yeah. So I didn't feel like it's like that crazy. Yeah. They married young. They had a son in 1955 and then got pregnant with Aileen just after, but they got divorced before she was born. Okay. Yeah. So they didn't really last very long, but they did have two kids. So Ailene didn't meet her dad or have a fatherly figure growing up because he was actually in prison for most of her childhood. Do you know what for? Yes. Oh yeah. It's really bad. Oh. So he was convicted for the rape and murder of a 7-year-old girl. Oh. And he also spent all of her childhood in and out of prison for various underage sexual assaults. And then in 1969, he took his own life in prison. Good. Good. Yeah. That's a trash man. Honestly, it is fucked. And therefore, because he was in and out of prison and whilst he was out of prison, he was busy doing fucked up shit. She never met him and never knew him. And what she does know of him is that, yeah. Yeah, I think I, she's potentially only I don't know, maybe 13 or something by the time he takes his life. Okay. So yeah, she's had a whole, oh, I'm completely wrong. Her dad didn't do that., No, sorry, I'm just mixed up my notes here. He was actually a philanthr. He worked with, yeah, he worked with the homeless charity. He, yeah, he was a wonderful man. No, I'm so sorry. I'm just confused because why I've, maybe I've wrote 69 instead of 59 because my keyboard doesn't work. Yes, that does track. Yes. Sorry. So they had the son in 1955, and then I think just after they had Eileen and then by 1959 he'd taken his own life. Okay. It wasn't very long, but he was in and out of prison for really fucked up stuff. So yeah, she never had a relationship with him. That feels like it's probably for the best. For the best. Yeah. It is still. Yeah, I can't even imagine. That's incredibly, I can't even imagine what would have happened to her after what has happened to her in her life, Uhhuh, if she'd also had a relationship with him also. Yeah, I do feel that, yeah. There is a whole set of circumstances that come with that, being your dad and then having to come to terms with it. Not to mention him taking his own life, Yeah, that's already a hugely complicated situation. Yeah. But it does sound like it's better that way. Wow. Because I can't imagine what else would've happened if her dad was actually a part of her life. You wonder when Ailene is four, her mom drops her and her brother to her grandparents' house. Oh no. And bales. And they have to adopt them as the mom never comes back, ever fucking hell. So she literally is I can't do this. I'm done. And she leaves. But her grandparents were also horrible. Her grandfather was an alcoholic. And he would beat them and rape them from a young age, both of them, both siblings which is probably Jesus. It's it's so fucked because I think this is her mom's parents. Yeah. But I don't know what dynamic is going on here, but it seems that's just what her whole life is surrounded by, by, there's just no solace anywhere. There's not, it doesn't sound like there's one good member of the family. She has not had any good member. This is why this case is sensitive. Yeah. And so sad because we'll go on to learn about all of the things that she does. But when you know about her whole entire life and upbringing, you're like, you had no help. Yeah. From the get go, like from the fucking get go, your blood relative, your dad was Yeah. Abusive. And if he hadn't have fucked off and been taken to prison, or they hadn't have got divorce before Alien had even been born, what's to say that he wouldn't have done it to her? So then she, she gets away from that. Yeah. And then just ends up in the exact same situation somewhere else. And how do you know anything other than violence? Yeah. When all you've been taught is violence? I'm not saying that everyone there's plenty of people out there who have these sort of upbringings and around these sort of families and find their way. Yeah. And don't turn out like them, but, and don't do, there's a But you also dealt with shit hand, aren't you? Yeah. And there's a part of you that says it's not surprising. Yeah. That you'd head down a similar path and you don't know like basically as well. So the granddad would beat them and rape them. And she starts having sexual or like doing sexual acts with people, but basically being raped. Yeah. From the age of 11, fucking hell with people from school. Friends of the family would come round and assault her and she would also perform sexual acts with her brother too, sometimes in front of people. And what better did they know? Do you know what I mean? Oh my God, it is absolutely horrible. Like her whole life is absolutely horrible. I hate this. Yeah. My heart was absolutely fucked up, like researching this because I was like, it's such a shit. Start to the game. No one. No one yeah. Mean deserves that. No one no. That's, yeah. Fucking how, yeah. It is painful. It was painful to read about it to be fair. Yeah. Especially because the doc starts with her in prison. I started watching footage of her. Yeah. And she's so bubbly and she's she's laughing and stuff and she, you can tell she's not with it and that she's had a hard time but she seems quite positive. Positive. Yeah. And quite lively, and quite she wants to help, even though obviously what she's doing is getting into this life with no help. And it is no wonder that, yeah. I know that it doesn't give you the excuse because there's plenty of people that have had that start of the game and they've turned it around, or they, or they didn't kill even if it went, but fuck out at the same time. Man, it's heart wrenching, isn't it? So she gets pregnant at 14 years old by one of her grandfather's friends, and she has to go to a home for unwed mothers. Yeah. Because I think this is in the seventies, so I think we're in 1971 at this point. So she has to go to a home for unwed mothers to have the baby, and as soon as she has the baby, it's immediately given up for adoption. Okay. Like she has no say in this matter which is also, that's enough on its own to be a harrowing, traumatic experience for you, but whatever. Then shortly after her grand dies of liver failure, so her grand's an alcoholic. Yeah. So I think both of them are Yeah. And I do, I couldn't really find out too much about whether the grand was in on it. There's, she, there's no way she couldn't have known. She hasn't stopped it. Yeah. What, regardless of whether she's in it or not, she's not, she's obviously not interfering. Yeah. And this is what I mean if she, if friends of the family are coming round Yeah. To watch and she's got pregnant at 14 years old. Yeah. She knows that she's got pregnant at 14 years old, so she knows she's going to that home. Yeah. So she knows something. I don't think she was the one that was instigating anything or was there for it necessarily, but I couldn't find anything about her being like, I guess she might not known about, no way. Yeah. She might not have known about the abuse in the house necessarily, the sexual abuse, but she's so crazy though. Like what? How, unless she is just, has just turned a blind eye to all of it for Yeah. It's a bit like, do you know what comes to mind is, the Fritz All Case where he kept his own daughter in the basement. Yes. And his wife didn't know. Yeah. And you just, but like you are, like you didn't know for sure. And like I can accept that. I can't accept the, that you didn't have a suspicion that you didn't choose to ignore certain things. Yeah. That there weren't things that you were like, that is fucking weird. Yeah. Because believing it is too horrifying maybe. Yes. That is why she just didn't. Also, you have to assume that the abuse is not confined to the children. Yeah. So there is a chance that she also is experiencing this kind of environment, yeah. If there goes alcoholics and also he wouldn't just rape the kids. He would beat them. Yeah. So if he, you know it, we don't know this, but it can be a situation where Yeah. Yeah. She's being beaten. Yeah. Quiet. Yeah. And like she didn't. Choose to adopt these kids. They were left. And she had no other choice. She might be a terrible person. She might have just been ignoring things that were in front of her. She might have genuinely had no idea. I dunno, she might have friendships. I just find it really difficult to believe that much. Yeah. That she didn't, that much abuse is going on and one person seems to not know about any of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that. Yeah, so the granddad, after the grand dies, the granddad kicks the kids out and she's 15. And he's just get the fuck out. Okay. I dunno if he's no. Or my wife I can't deal with this. This man is a fucking piece of shit. Yeah. He's horrifying. And it's so bad because when you first read it, you're like, thank God she was kept away from her dad. Yeah. And then she goes right back into a situation that she would've been in. Oh, it probably the one who taught her dad everything. Yeah. It's so terrify about how to treat people. It's so terrify. Yeah. And you hate to think what also probably happened to a dad in that household. Yeah. I don't know if it's the mom's grandparents. Oh yeah, sorry. The mom. Yeah. Which is so terrifying because it means that although it's not always that obscure, that someone that lived, grew up with abuse, finds someone who also grew up with abuse. Grew up with abuse. Yeah. Or is an abuser. Yeah, because you are not attracted, but there's certain safety Yeah. In those relationships because you recognize them Yeah. In those behaviors. Yeah. And because you equate the violence with love. Yeah.'cause that's what you know. Exactly. And if you're someone that's gone through trauma, someone can exploit that. Yeah. So I guess if she's ended up marrying quite young, a guy who also is a child abuser that could just be that is where Yeah. She gravitated. I don't know. It's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot to it that, it could have just been pure accident. Yeah. Pure unlucky streak, I don't know. Yes. So she gets kicked out, which is obviously isn't ideal because she's homeless, but also she's out of that situation. Yeah. They kick both of them out. But her brother, who's called Keith, he just fucks off somewhere else. And she, he, I think he, that he's I'm out. Like we are out of this. I think he's a year older than her. Yeah. And he maybe knows people. I dunno. Okay. Yeah. So he just, and he just literally ditches her. So she is alone Okay. In this whole world. So she ends up living in the woods. Oh my God. Yeah. And this is when she starts using sex work to get money. Yeah. Because Yeah. She's,'cause what else can you do? Yeah. She can't get she doesn't know how to get a job. You're 15. Yeah. She hasn't got a house. She's 15. And you've been sexualized the majority of your child life. Yeah. That's all you know. It's the only thing you know, that you have that seems to be of any value to people. Yeah. Might as well get some money to try and start a life for yourself. This is the fucking bleakest thing we've ever done. I know. It is so fucking bleak. To be honest, I did know it was already bleak. I know this about Eileen and whatnot. It's it's. Yeah. It's, it is a horrible fucking story. Yeah. But Jesus Christ. I know. And when you watch it as well, it is just if you watch the documentary, it is so sad. Like just they're like bringing up all of these things in the trial and stuff, and you're just watching her just be heartbroken and even though you know that she has done a lot of bad things Yeah. That doesn't mean you won't have feel sympathy for absolute what someone's been through Absolute pain that you feel for her. I was half watching it whilst doing research, whilst writing it and stuff, and I literally, in her trial, I was just staring at her. Yeah. Just oh my God, I haven't finished it. But I would have to watch it. Yeah. It is it's interesting. There's a lot to unpack from it, basically. Yeah. So she said also in the documentary, when. Interviewing her, like in her police cell when she like, was like, oh, I'll take you back to the start. She says, yeah, I was on the road after I left home. I'd already been raped, I'd say over 30 times by now. And she's so nonchalant. She's just so what's me just living in the woods by myself and getting a job as a sex worker? So fast forward to when she's 18. She's she's still living in the woods. She gets arrested for driving under the influence and a few other charges along like that time period, including not showing up for court cases that she's already been charged with fighting sex work, but in sketchy situations where there's like police, like she's basically been caught Yeah. Doing sex work. Yeah. I guess just like in areas where the police have,'cause they picked her up quite a few times in like red light districts and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Building up her criminal record basically. She, in 1976, she gets married to this guy. And they, so she heads to Florida, I think. She's let's get a bit of a new start. Yeah, why not? And she meets 69-year-old Louis Gr spell. And I think he had like money. Yes. And they got married really quickly'cause she's, I think she's 21 at this point. Fucking how, yeah. And he is 69. But their marriage actually didn't last very long at all because she assaulted him by hitting him with his own cane. Only a few weeks into their marriage. And he files a restraining order against her and then they like get divorced. So whatever he's doing or whatever she's is going on with her. Yeah. It doesn't last very long. And she, yeah, she hits him. And he files a restraining order against her. So like he's also go away. Yeah. As you fucking should be if someone hits you with a cane. Yeah. Yeah. And I think she's lashing out at this point. Yeah. Like she's also, she's violent. Yeah. Like she's getting into fights all the time. Like she goes to bars and uses her money that she's earned from sex working to just get pissed. And then she just starts having bar fights all the time. And usually she ends up getting arrested. To be honest, if I'd had her start to life, yeah. I'd probably be fucking full of rage to honestly. So I am full of rage and she hasn't, and that's not, at this point in her life, she's not met a single person she can trust and she's 21, like not a single person that's made a good impression on her. Yeah. She gets married to someone with money care her trying to live after her. Yeah. And literally within two weeks of her marrying someone. He's filed a restraining order, but yes, she did hit him with a cane, but that's enough. Yeah, she did try to beat the shit outta him but it's just another person. She's yeah, that's me. Just left out on my own again. Yeah. So she moves back to Michigan and she goes to loads of bars and Yeah, she starts fighting and she tries to stay places, so sometimes she'll be out sex working and having a few drinks. And then she'll get with someone so that she, so she has someone to house. Yeah. Yeah. Also, she's on one at the minute because she's getting like loads of assault charges, but specifically one of her nights out, she throws a pool ball, like a Q ball at a bartender's head. Fucking hell yeah. Obviously she gets some big shit for this. Yeah. Then her brother Keith, she finds out he's died in July of 19. Jesus. It is fucking crazy. It is crazy. So he dies in July of 1976 of cancer. He actually leaves her 10 KI guess like somehow he's made a bit of a bit of money. Yeah. And I guess it's through insurance or whatever. He leaves a 10 K, which I feel like in 1976 is like a decent amount of money. Yeah. Decent. But she spends it within a couple of months. Oh. She pays off some fines from her assaults. She also buys a car, but she writes the car off pretty much straight away. So that's her 10 k just wasted as well. Yeah, so 1981, she goes back to Florida for a change of scene. And she robs a convenience store. She goes back to Florida for a change of scene. She robs a convenience store. Fresh new start. Yeah. Straight away. Robs a shop. Yeah. Why does everyone do this all the time? She takes$35 and two packs of cigarettes and she does a year in prison for this. Okay. So she's basically, yeah, it goes to Florida. Lasts about five minutes in Florida and then she gets arrested. A few days after she's released, she gets arrested again for forging checks. Yeah, I don't know. There's also an argument of the fact that prison is safer. Yes. That and it's more secure. And there's routine. Yeah. There's routine. You're fed. Yeah. You have a place to sleep. Yeah. You are safe. There's always that argument of, arguably also, if you haven't been cared about your entire life, there is an illusion of. A system that potentially cares about you because it feeds you and it houses you. Yeah. And you forge relationships and friendships. Also, she's in her twenties by now and she has not had a home since she was 15. And she did when she married this guy. But it only lasted five minutes. Yeah. And then she was back out on the streets, like she's alone. Yeah. And I think that's, there's an argument there that you've be convinced that the world was out to get you. And at this point why will you be good to it when it's never been good to you? Yeah, of course. That, that being said, that is a certain level of responsibility that. One has to take for not the situations that you found yourself in as a kid because you can only do what you can do and you were dealt with very shit hand. But what you then it feels like the 10 k moment could have been a bit of a turning point for her. Yeah. To try and and it's a real shame when someone does you can tell that she's lost because that's probably on drink. Yeah. And fighting in bars and then paying off a few charges on Cru to try and start again. Maybe she's I'll get a car'cause I can sleep in my car, but she, then she drives it drunk and ruins it, and it's a setback. But what she goes on to do is, it's just worse and worse crimes with also someone that is growing and developing and still has no help and can't sort out anything that is, work on any trauma at all. Yeah. Yeah, because she's drinking this whole entire time because what else is there to do for her? What else do you know? Surely you've had that as part of your life or as a bit of a crutch for you this entire time? Because no, no one's doing, having all of that done to them and living through this whole existence and doing it fucking sober. Yeah. Yeah. No fucking I, and obviously it's not helping, but it's literally all someone's got if they just wanna get pissed and forget. So she's in and outta prison. Up until, so 1986, alien meets a gal in a gay bar who is called Tyre Moore. These two hit it off straight away and they're like really attracted to each other immediately, and they have like instant vibes and connections. Okay. Yeah. I think this is the first and probably only person in her whole life that she feels safe with, I think. Oh, that makes me so sad. Yeah. They're moving together pretty quickly. It makes me so sad because I know how it ends with Tyra. Everyone knows how it ends. Yeah. Yeah. You know that there is a level of betrayal coming. Yeah. It's so difficult because it's like at the end of the day. She's a serial killer. She is a serial killer. It's bad. It's not okay. It's bad, but yeah. Just no support for someone. Yeah. It could have just, I just feel like it could have so easily been prevented if somebody got there sooner. If somebody, just one person in her life been, and I know it's not one person's choice, but Tyra Moore, like that could have also been a turning point for her, yeah. She could have realized I don't trust men are bad. I love this woman. Yeah. She will make me safe. Yeah. And I think that is, it's quite good vibes at the start. Alien was the Bread win winner, so she'd go out and do her sex work Yeah. And then come home with all the money or whatever, and then they'd go and stay at fancy hotels or whatever because of like the money she'd earned. Yeah. I don't really know what RA did really. I dunno, I didn't look into it. Sorry. My bad. I don't think she did much. But yeah, then Ty started becoming a witness for the police. So when Alien would get into fights and bars and stuff, Tyra would come in and be like, it wasn't her fault. Like he hit her first, or she tri and smashed a glass on his face. I know. Like it would very much be like, I saw that and what he's saying happened. It didn't quite happen like that. It was self-defense or whatever. Which is that classed as like perjury? Is that what it's called? Yeah. Like when you are lying about, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. And I think it was just that to be fair, she wasn't going to prison for long periods of time for this kind of stuff. I think it was just like, oh, you'll probably spend the night in the cell and then you've got another charge and you've got a court hearing that you need to show up for. And then she wouldn't show up and then it would make it worse. So tyra would just prevent all of that from happening by, by saying she didn't start it, she doesn't feeling, yeah. It was just a complete misunderstanding. I was there and I saw the whole thing unfold. Yeah. Then they were, that she was also getting away with like assault and petty theft and Tyra would help her. Like, whenever, so it just kept happening basically. Yeah. Which is not okay because that means that Aileen now feels like she can get away with more. Yes. On top of, so there's an escalation coming.'cause now all of this stuff is Charles play and obviously Tyree can get you out of it. So oh no big deal. Yeah. You're like, I found someone that loves me. We live together. We are a team. Yeah. And also it feels like there's maybe an element of show bowing to Tyree. Like she's showing off Look what I can do. Yeah. Yeah. But more and more. Yeah. And I don't know. I assumed Tyra was like, I love her and I know that she's had a traumatic life and that's why she acts out in fights. Or maybe it wasn't alien to her to see someone get into trouble with the police like that. But I don't know. It's a bit of a red flag for me personally. Yeah. I don't know. It's not for me, but yeah. So this is where it brings us to the year of 1989 where the confidence is built. The crimes are becoming more extreme and alien now begins her killing spree where she murders seven men from 1989 to 1990. Oh, okay. That's quite a lot of men in quite a short amount of time. Tears indeed. So we'll get onto. The victims. So it is the evening of November the 30th, 1989 and 51-year-old male, Richard Mallory picks up Alien Warner's in his car. This was an, this was in an area called Clearwater in Florida. Okay. Richard was an electronic store owner in Florida. The two went off alone together in his car and he went missing after this. The police do not know, by the way that she went off in the car with him. Yeah. She's not on anyone's radar. He's just gone missing at this point. He's gone missing. But I'm telling you. Yeah. I'm letting audience It's for the context. Yeah. For the context of this story, I'm telling you that's what happened. Two weeks later, his body was found in a wooded area on December the 13th, several miles away from Clearwater. Mallory was found to have been shot several times, and there were two shots into his lungs, which looked like to be the ones that had killed him. The reason why I specifically going in with this main, like this first victim Yeah. Is because Richard was actually a convicted rapist, which we will come to later. Yes. The police at the time had no idea what happened or his whereabouts before he died. They just know about the body at this point. I think his name is Steve Vinegar. Steve Vinegar was a captain in the county Sheriff's office in Akala, Florida, and he was in charge of the criminals investigation division on this case. Okay. He's not really that relevant, but I just thought I let you know. Yeah. He's in the dock. He's like talking about all the bodies and kind of the scenes and stuff. Stuff where they're found and like how back they were. Scene for the jewelry. Yeah. Yes. So on June, and so then on the 1st of June, 1990, the body of a 47-year-old man was found along Route 19 in Citrus County, Florida. This is, so this is in November, and then this is in June, the next, wait, what am I saying? Yes, this is in June the next year. Okay. So this first murder had happened and then nothing happened before the ages, right? So there's been a big calling off period. Yeah. But the people in the documentary, they were like, it's basically exactly the same. We found a car, we found the body elsewhere. Yeah, like the body had been dumped and the car had been used a bit longer. Like all of this stuff, like we think it's probably the same person that is too close. It's still far apart for what we're about to come to next. So they decided after the second murder. That this was the same person quite quickly. Is that right? So they're they decide to look at it from the angle of them being related because I'll tell you for why. Yeah. So this man is David Spears and he was a construction worker. He was around the same age. He's a white male, like not old, but like middle-aged, like nothing really to report about him. He'd been shot six times though. And that was what was the sort of link was like they'd been shot quite a lot of times. And then it was like a route, like a, yeah. One stretch of road. Like the highway. Yeah. Okay. And a body had been dumped in a different place to where the car was found. And they were like, but similar circumstances enough on their radar to be like just keep that in mind because it feels like, yeah, they could be related. It was like, look, we haven't found who the other person was and they've been laying low, but maybe. This could just be someone doing the same thing again. Who knows? Yeah. Okay. But we're not a hundred percent sure because we don't know anything. Yeah, so they look at them being linked, but before they can even scratch the surface of this, a body of a third victim is found. Okay. Okay. Now so this is the body of 40-year-old Charles Skadden. Which sounds Cornish, don't you think? Yeah, it does. I think it's'cause of Carden. Oh no, that's a place Intelli. But yeah, it's like Phil's Cornish. It does though. Skadden, yeah. He was a rodeo worker, which is like a bull fighter re person thing. Like a ring person, I don't know, which is quite a fun job. A cowboy. Yeah, I guess basically he was found in Pasco County, Florida, and he had been shot nine times. His was slightly different because his body was found wrapped in an electric blanket. It feels like you don't need to shoot somebody nine times. I know. It feels angry, doesn't it? It feels like nine times. How many times was 50 cent shot? Is that nine times? Potentially, yeah. And like he survived. Yeah, but I swear it was something ridiculous like nine times. But I guess if you were shooting like. I dunno what the circumstances you're either shooting to make sure that person's dead or you're shooting rage, but like maybe you are shooting like nine times because you aren't sure if you've hit Yeah. But if you are in a close quarters car, you can see if you've hit I know. It feels personally, yeah. That's fucking angry. Angry. Yeah. It really does. Especially yeah, if you're in a car with someone, yeah. It's quite dangerous to be shooting someone more than once because of back. And I say that I actually in Barry Williams last, he did shoot her like eight times, quite close quarters, didn't they? Yeah. That's fucked. It just seems crazy to us.'cause we wouldn't even shoot someone once. That's sort it. I'm too scared to touch a gun. Yeah. Honestly, that alone shoot it. Yeah, so he, his body was wrapped in an electric blanket and he was badly decomposing. Ah. Which is gross, but I think it's'cause Florida's hot and he was in an electric blanket wrapped up, so it wasn't like he'd been there for a while afraid. Okay. It was just that he was the first body to be like. Yeah, insulated, I guess insulated. It's like Levi Bellfield low throwback. Yes. So there's been three bodies now. So the police are asking information from the public. They like go around Florida, they like make statements and stuff, and they're just like, what the hell's going on? A tip comes in from some random who says that they'd seen a female driving the car of Charles car Skadden and they know who she is. Okay. So I assume local area, like just, they just know her so they know name drop her and it is Aileen warns. So this is the first time that the police have her on their radar. Okay. They begin tracking her. So how, sorry, how long after the first murder is this? So the first one, no, it is in November, 1989. But then they find the second body. In on the 1st of June, 1990. Yeah, sorry. And then the next one, later in the same month. So they see her they, the car situation is happening like a month after the second murder, so I think the second and third. Yeah. So the second one is in June. And so it happens quite quickly. Oh, this all happens so fast. Okay. Like it's across that time, but it's only because the first victim was so far away from the others that actually all the rest of them happen within a four month, the five month type situation. Yeah. I have a theory about that. Interesting. And I'm not gonna tell you. Yeah. And that's it. Bye. That's it. Later or now? Yeah. Yeah. Later. I think you can speculate if you no, now's probably fine. My, my thoughts are, but that's probably a. Obviously I'm speaking because I actually know what she says the circumstances of the first murder are. But at the same time I think that is potentially like a, it happened. I didn't necessarily mean for it to happen, but it happened. And then am I gonna get away with it? They're gonna find me. They're gonna find me. They're gonna find me. And then being like, oh, they didn't find me. Yeah. And actually I am full of fucking rage and I hate men. Yeah, I think you are spot on. Yeah. And yeah, I've made some notes. This Oh, sick. So we sick come to, I'm glad you've brought it up I so dober in for the car, got her name. Yeah. They're like, interesting. We'll look into it. They begin tracking her and they see that her and Tyra are always on the move. So they're living in various hotels and she goes out and. To sex work each night. And she's making them the money and then they just keep moving around and they're always in a different car. So it is quite hard to track them. Yeah. This is a bit rogue, but she takes a gun in the glove box of the victim's car she stole. So car, Skadden's car. And it's like registered to him? Yes. And she's got it and she pawns it. Okay. So that's another link to her where they're like, not only has she stolen the car, but it seems likely that she stole it off him. Yeah. Because it's not like someone's ditched it because they would've taken the gun, if that makes sense. Like they're not a hundred percent, but they're just like, also it just is another thing that says look, you obviously took the car. Yeah. And you've got his gun. She's got a fat criminal record. Yeah. And they might be like, look, this person could have just gr by chance, grabbed theft, Daughtered. A car that the killer had just bailed and left. Yeah. And she was like, oh, a car. No way. There's a gun in the girl place. But was there any like pushback on the fact that she was a woman for them? I, to begin with. Yeah. I think they were like, let's just track her. So they really did just follow the evidence.'cause part of me feels like there's some men Yeah. Would be like, surely not. She couldn't have done that. Yeah, sure. She could have done that. Watch us. Yeah. I'm joking. You wanna steals murder or murder? Yeah. I feel like maybe it's like identity though, isn't it? Like she's like an anomaly because women don't usually kill like that or they don't get caught. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're like, we don't have much else to go off. Yeah. The person that has been seen driving his car is also pawning his gun. Yeah. Which is a bit of a silly move because why wouldn't you keep it. For a start if you Yeah. It feels like it's something you'll use. Yeah. I feel like it might be up obvious street a little bit. Yeah. But I guess she's just more money and then they have an alert of the killer's gun being pawn by the same person that's driving around in his car. So they're like, this is the best lead that we've got, so let's try and find her. But then another victim pops up in all of this, so they're like, they just, it's crazy. Yeah. So on the 4th of July, so literally 1st of June, yeah. To the fourth of July, we're on our fourth victim. The car of 65-year-old Peter Simones shows up and he was reported missing and they were looking for his car. Peter Simones was a retired merchant Seaman, who apparently dedicated his retired life to Christian outreach and support. Interesting. Yes. He's just a little meant to be a little. A Christian boy. Aw. I guess he, maybe he but retired you think he was picking her up or do you think he was trying to help her? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I just don't know. Good. Can't, we can't possibly know, to be fair. His car was found in Orange Springs and there was a witness saying they saw two women abandoning that car. Okay. So that's why they linked it, because they know that there's two women on the run, same as they've, they're already looking, two women. So Yeah. However they inspect the car and start running prints, but his body is nowhere to be found and his body has never been found ever to this day. Wow. Yep. But they have linked it to her and she's never said anything about, ah, yeah yeah. Okay. Okay. They just don't know whether the body just never, ever got found. And I think they end up. Quite soon, like finding prints. Yeah. And then, yeah, and later on it's it's definitely her. Yeah. We're pretty certain of it. Yeah. So another body was reported in July, 1990 as well this person's body was found on the 4th of August in Marion County. This MA's 50-year-old sausage salesman named, what the fuck does that mean? Are you a butcher or you a sausage salesman? What the fuck is that? Also, his name is. Let me read it. Trot a breast. It can't be trot. Maybe it is. It can't be. Do you want me to, shall I Google the name? That must be my junky keyboard. Surely. Because he can't be a sausage salesman called Trot. Trot. He can't be, can he? Troy. Troy. Oh my God. That makes so much more sense. Ro Barras. Shitty keyboard. Trot Buress. Yeah. I'm so sorry. That is not, if anybody knows what a sausage salesman is, please hit me up because I am, I assume it's a butcher, but surely that's a butcher. Do you door to door sell sausages? I don't get it. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't, are we talking about bulk? Unless that is literally you're a butcher, but specifically for sausages, just you don't do no bacon. I won't touch any other part cake. I'm just making these specific sausage. If it's not wrapped in intestines, I don't want nothing to do with that. Yeah, I really do picture him like the typical or like Mr. Bacon on the family Fortunes game, not family fortunes. I don't know who that is. Go fish. What is that Go Fish version? That's, I dunno what you're talking about Now. What is the Go Fish game? That's like the families, no idea. Happy Families. Do you remember that card game? No. What? I dunno what that is. Happy families and then one of the families were called the Bacons Mr. Bacon. A pop. Even Google doesn't know what it about this. Oh, so creepy. No, dunno what that, and then that's them, that's that, that more updated version. Yeah. Mr. Soul Masteron, did you ever play Go Fish? No. No. The card game. Yeah. It's quite a tame card game. Yeah. Yeah, he's a sausage salesman. Okay. He's in Troy, not trot. That would've been insane. I'm sorry that I can't spell. He had also been shot to death. So this is just rapid speed, just bodies getting found every couple of weeks at this point. Yeah. Less than a month between each body. Around this time, the police had found a hand print in the car of the missing victim, Peter Simones. So after they'd ran it for prints, they did actually find prints. And they ran it to see if it matched Aileen. And it did. So this has given them a direct link to her stealing two of the victim's cars. Yeah. Which ain't good. No. Which like before they could be like, might have just been grand theft also, like literally by chance she shot. Yeah. But she stolen a car of somebody who has also been killed. Yeah. And maybe she found the gun in it, but now it's like you have a direct to two of them linked to two of the victims. Yeah. Someone seen you ditching the car. Like you aren't stealing that because you need a car. You are just ditching cars. So yeah, it's not looking good for her. So what number of victims are we on now? I think five. Five? Yeah, that sounds about right. So we have the first one ages ago. Yeah. Then we have three in court succession. David. Yeah. Then Charles Skadden, then a month later. Yeah. Then the missing Peter Symes. Yeah. And then we have, yeah, this body of Troy. Troy. And then a sixth body shows up the, or the meantime they're trying to find out what hotels she's currently in. I dunno why this is taking them so long, but I think she is always on the move. Yeah. So by the time they catch up with her, she's gone somewhere else. Yeah. Florida's a big place. Yeah. Okay. America's a big place. Yeah., But to me it's like time is of the essence, but actually, I don't think they would think that they'd be finding bodies in this quick succession either. Yeah. Yeah it's scary times. So the sixth body shows up in the September of 1990. So this is just literally a month after again again, in Marion County. This is 56-year-old Charles Richard Humphreys, a former police chief, a child abuse investigator and retired Air Force major. What a bloody career. Oh my God. Yeah. He had been found, shot six times in the torso and in the head and dumped again in a wooden area along the Florida highway. So it's exactly the same. Yeah. She's very much got an mo now. And then the, finally the final body that has been recorded and linked to the serial killer. So it might not be all of them. Yeah. But the final body was found in November of 1990. So literally from June to November was like 6, 6, 7 of six of them just off the bat. Yeah. Bad vibes. 62-year-old trucker and security guard, Walter Gino. Antonio was found naked and dumped after being shot four times in remote lodging. The, oh, this road is called Remote Lodging Road. Okay. In Dixie County, in Florida. So that's it for the victims, right? They're panicking, they're trying to get in on her, like they need to catch her before she just keeps doing this forever and ever. Alman. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Okay. So that's all the bodies that we know of. They're obviously running around trying to find him, her not him here. What, wow. Freud instead, I've changed everything for him. Yeah they can't find them. They didn't know what was going on. But then so silly Alene and Ty are driving around in one of the victim's cars and they crashed the car. I assume she's drunk, but Yeah. Or maybe she's just acting. Craig. Craig. Yeah.'cause she has been like a bit off the rails lately. I don't really know. Yeah, they crushed a bit off the rails lately. That's how you describe her, murdering seven people. I was so just great gr she's gone a little bit off the rail. She's a bit great. Great. She just needs to like, hone it down a little bit. I think. Just like you take a chill pill, just chill out, girl. Just chill, relax, put yourself into the spa. Have a chill. Yeah. She doesn't do that. She crashes the car into a tree and a few witnesses come out of their house and they're like, are you okay? And they ask if they need help and alien freaks out and they both run off on foot. Okay. Yeah. You played it really cool. Yeah. I assume she's no, because they, we are in the victim's car, the police, but they were just like, Hey, you okay? And she was like, ah. And they just like fucking started running and I think Tyra was like, okay, I'm coming in. Jesus. Yeah. And they ditched the car and then people give the description to the police. Of the two people that ditched the car. And the police are like, oh my fucking God. This is who? Exactly. Yeah. This is who we're looking for. Then they run this huge media campaign to try and find Alene, but also they're trying to find Tyra as well. So they're like, if anyone's seen Tyra tell us. Yeah. Aileen's the main one that we're looking for. But she's hanging out. But also you're looking for her because usually they're together. Yeah. And with all of her previous convictions, they had a full name when they compared DNA from the car and everything. So it takes them till January the ninth, 1991. Okay. So I think that's last four months. Yeah. I think it takes them about four months. She's in a bar called The Last Resort. She is quite bleak city. Yeah. Still in Florida. Yeah. Where else would you go? Yeah. She could have gone anywhere in this months, any other day. Yeah. Literally. And they arrest her, then they find Tyra the next day, but she's in Pennsylvania. Apparently they had a big argument and she was tired of being on the run, so they'd had they'd gone their separate ways. Yeah. Which is so rogue that they'd got gone their separate ways and they found Eileen in Florida and then they found her the next day in Pennsylvania, even though they were looking the whole time. Yeah. And they hadn't split off the day before and the second they was separated, it's like they'd had an argument and she'd gone to Pennsylvania and she was chilling there and somehow they managed to basically find them at the same time. Yeah. I don't know if maybe Aileen knew something and let it slip, but Yeah. It doesn't seem like she dobbed her in or anything. Yeah, it just seems a bit like spooky, spooky Doy. That's what we like. Yep. So now something to note. Is there. Aileen, since being arrested, was very open with the police. This is where the doc kind of comes in because she has given a lot of evidence and she's recorded a lot about her life and just everything that she did, like she's really open about it. Also side note in the documentary there's a woman called Jackie Roro. You are asking girls ox and she's a producer and while this is just something like really random that I noticed that whilst they were looking for her, the police she is invested in this woman and she wants, and she goes around all around Florida and she's like leaving post-it notes'cause'cause she wants to like, produce like something of her, like a documentary or whatever and she's just like really obsessed with that. She was like, this female that went out and killed a load of people and no one can find her and all of this stuff. So she was leaving like all of these post-it notes in these bars saying, oh, FYI, you're the serial killer and you want your story. Told them ring me. And one of the bars that she left it in was. The bar that she got arrested in. Yeah. And when Aileen is arrested, she rings her and she's it's me bitch. What do you wanna know? Yeah. Like, how rude is that? Wow. It's just total side note. I think once she knew that she'd been caught. Yeah. It doesn't seem like someone who is doing much to cover her tracks, to be honest. Yeah. However sometimes her stories change a little bit. Yeah. So I think there's obviously trauma blocking out things, everything's a bit hazy. Alcohol. Hazy, her whole life has been quite messy. But I also think maybe it's just like in the moment what she's feeling happened or why. Yeah. I think she probably also recognizes that, I'm sure we'll talk about it later in your notes, but I think she probably must recognize that you can claim self-defense. Yeah. For one, maybe even two. Yeah. But you can't for seven. Yeah. And Aileen says that they were all done in self-defense. Every single one of them were done in self-defense. Yeah. The reason she was in the car with every single one of them is that they were picking her up for as a sex worker, taking her somewhere to perform sexual acts and then either raping her or attempting to rape her, which is why she shot them. And also she says that Tyria did not know about any of it. Yes. She's adamant that Tyra did not know. Like she, or she says that she didn't help, she didn't assist me. It's nothing to do with her. She's just very I'll tell you what you wanna know, but it was me. Yeah. Because Tyra knew that she's the only person that's ever cared about her. So even if she did know or was involved, yeah, she will not implicate her. It's very obvious that Tyra knows something. Because you would not go on the run with someone if you didn't know why they were going on the run. No. Also, if you are claiming that every single one of these seven tried to rape you or did rape you. But you, every time that happens to you, you didn't go home and tell the one person in the world that you could trust. Yeah. And and I love you unconditionally, but if you came to me and said, we need to go on the run, I'd be like, okay, why? No? I'd be like, okay. And then you'd be like, I can't tell you. I'd be like, okay. But for as long as they are, I'd be like, you have to tell me something now. Yeah. If you were like, let's go. I'd be like, okay, we go. We'll go. Yeah. But on the way, you tell me why. Eventually you're gonna tell. I'll keep an open mind. But you have to tell me why. I wouldn't just be like I love you, so you don't have to tell me why. Yeah. You, I can't risk not knowing what we are. Do you know? Yeah. It just, I don't know. I don't know. It seems crazy. But yeah, Tyra says that she knew they were on the run for murder, but Aileen told the police that she only knew it was in complete self-defense. So I think Tyra is look, she did tell me. And then at the start, Aileen's she didn't she's nothing to do with anything. She did nothing. Just leave her out of it. I'll tell you, whatever. And then Tyra's I didn't know we were on the run for murder, but she said that she'd killed someone in self-defense and we had to go on the run. Okay. And she didn't say it was seven. People either she just said to be killed someone. It's complicated because then I think the police are like, there's loads of them. Yeah. And she's I saw all the bodies coming. And I was like, how do we always have a new car? And she just kept saying it was in self-defense and stuff like that. But I think she probably just knew what was going down. So she basically played ignorant. Yeah. And I'm not saying it's fine because you should have gone to the police after the first one. Or you should have helped her get help, but I guess she didn't do any of it. She was just there for the, so I guess she's just gonna straight away be like, yeah, I didn't do anything. She's more of an accessory than anything else. Also, they've had a fight and they've split up and they've moved away from each other. It's not even she's till forever and always, every single victim's car was found further away or in a different area to the body. Like she's stealing every single car and she's using it to go on the run to a different place. So it's quite hard to claim self-defense. Yeah. Because it's not feels like a means to an end. Yeah. Yeah. But she's transport and she's, to be honest and she's found in Florida still, so it's not like she was like, I did all of it to escape this life and go somewhere else. Like she was just still hanging around the place. Yeah. But yeah, this is where quite an important debate comes in with self-defense because if we go all the way back to her first victim, Richard Mallory, he's a convicted rapist. And this does come up in trial, but it's like obviously not valid enough. Now it is a debate because people are like. People take advantage of her all the time. She's, I watched the first bit of that documentary where the first, the lead investigator or whoever it is says about Richard Mallory. That there is no, he has no prior convictions. And then the lady that's interviewing him literally says yeah, he does. That's not true. Yeah. And it's just and he was like none that I was aware of at the time. It like, at the time that doesn't matter. You were aware, you did do a background check, but you chose not to disclose. And it's yeah. And if you didn't know about it at time, it didn't fit her narrative. Didn't mean also you are right. Like it, I'm not saying that's what happened because the only two people that will ever know what happened is the two of them. Yeah. But to make an assumption about her, based on the fact that she's then gone on to kill seven more. At six more, sorry. I think there's a very good chance that she was. Attacked that first time. Yeah. And I completely agree that led, that was the catalyst to the events. But, and then when she wasn't caught, she was like, do you know what? I'm fucking sick of em. Yep. I'm fucking sick of them. Doesn't mean she didn't take innocent lives. Didn't, doesn't mean what she did wasn't bad. Yep. But I do feel that yeah. It just, I feel like it, the first one that very well could have been self-defense and the rest was her either having a feel for it or realizing it's the first power she can take back Yeah. In her life this whole time, which does not make it fine. Yeah. But it's, it, the first one I think very well could have been self-defense. Yeah. You won't know. No, but. He's a convicted rapist. She waits for so long between killings. Yeah. And she's adamant that all of them are self-defense. What if it's metaphorically self-defense? Yeah. Against men. Yeah. What if it's her saying she's now defending herself? I never let anyone, I never let against them. Yeah. Yeah. I found someone that I love. They're a female. They're the only person in the whole world I trust. I go out, I complete my sex work for the night. Someone tries to rape me. That is a man. Yeah. I have never had trust and support from any men, metaphorically. This is my self defense. Or even, the ones, the way she chose who she chose was some sort of trigger, something they said just, or something they did great. Mad, just you eight. Yeah I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying in that. Yeah. That's what my notes had basically said is that. I don't disagree that the first one was Yeah. Because there was a long period of time in between. Yeah. Compared to the others, it doesn't feel like a long period, but compared to all the others in the quick su succession that all of them came Yeah. Forward. Like I, it, it would make sense that she killed them. She panicked, she realized she got away with it and then thought, this is how I can rid the world of bad men. Yeah. Yeah. In her mind. I don't know. Obviously we will never know, but, and the way that when she gets arrested, she's don't involve Ty Tyra. Just don't, it's not anything to do with her. Yeah. Like she's just being like, I've been caught. I did what I went out to do. Like just leave her out of it. Yes. So they ask, so basically they hadn't actually tied her specifically to it. She just kept saying Tyra doesn't know anything. I'll tell you whatever you need to know, but Tyra doesn't need, doesn't, have you found her? Whatever? She doesn't know anything that's going on, but they haven't actually got her to admit to doing any of this stuff. So they get Tyra wired up and they ask her to get a confession for immunity. Yeah. They'll say You're an accessory. Unless you can get her, this will work out. So Tyra calls her and says, Hey, can you confess and help me clear my name? The media and police are saying I helped you and I didn't help. And it only takes three days of calling Aileen in prison for her to confess. And the fucking confession is so harrowing. She's like sobbing and like Tyra's the media are handing me and the police are handing me, and I didn't do anything. And I'm just like, I need to get my name cleared and I need to get this out of my life and blah, blah, blah. And she's just alien is literally distraught. She says men had have raped me and I did kill them, but it was in self-defense on the phone. And she says, but I'll tell them anything just so that you don't have to go through this, you're saying? Yeah. And they play it in the courtroom and Tyra's there, and aileen's there and she's just fucking breaking down. Like it is like such a painful thing to watch'cause you're just like, she's done something wrong and she needs to go to prison. But she's love, loves her so much. Yeah. Like it's ev every bit of love she has gone to her because she has nowhere else for it to go. She has no one left. Yeah. So then having to hear that being wired up, I think the bit that I watched as well, she does say I love her and I'll love her to the day I die. Yeah. What was the quote that I'd put in that she says at the very end, she says she used to want to die before she met Ty and that she loved her so much, that's why she carried a gun and had to protect herself so she could just go home to Tyra and breathe with her for another day. Oh yeah. Like she's just that's the only reason why I killed them, because self-defense means that I would get to go home and be with her. I get her and I could protect her. Like it it's complicated because she is mentally not very, like she's unwell. Yeah. This is it, isn't it? As well, and that is also not love. No. That is dependency and that is not healthy either. But it's just so sad because obviously everyone's in that courtroom and she has to hear the fact that the love of her life got her Yeah. That had to do it so that she wasn't police. Yeah. It's a bit of a complicated one the media obviously going mentor at this point because they are like a female lesbian killer who's killing ex-military, ex-police white men. Like how dare you kill white men? You crazy lesbian lady. That's where they're the route that they're going down. Like you can just imagine what the headlines are. And it's bad vibes in the media, but it's also bad vibes'cause she's like a big murder. Because there is also that. Yeah. It is. It's really complicated. Yeah. So while she gets ready for trial, she plans to claim insanity, I think. She doesn't really confessed anything properly to the police at this point. They just have the phone confession. Her trial comes in a whole year later in January, 1992, she had a trial for each of her victims individually. Geez. So it lasts. So this is January, 1992, and it lasts till November, 1992. Wow. Yeah. So it's just 11 months of trials for every single one of her victims. They got Tyra to testify against her, which was really like, what really upset her. Yeah. Which is what broke her. This is something that she whispers to her in the phone call. This is specifically quoting what she whispers to her when she confesses. She says, if I have to confess everything to keep you safe, I will. Oh, and that was the bit that they play where she breaks down. But Tyra gets out completely scot-free, like she gets immunity which is what she wanted. And she did definitely know more than she claimed she did. Yeah, of course she did. But I think she was just like, I didn't kill them, so I guess I just get, do what I can to get immunity from this. Yeah. She claimed all seven men raped her, but she does admit to killing all of them in trial, including the missing guy, Peter Simon. So she later reclaimed this and said that she was, this is really strange. This is where her stories would get go a bit messy. Later she reclaimed it and she says that she was recanted. Do you mean, or she's claimed it again? She didn't. I think she was just like, actually I was hoping to rob them and kill them and leave no witnesses. But I dunno if she's just in prison and she's stewing and then she's I've changed my mind. And they're just like, also you've already gone down anyway. You also have to, yes, you have to think about there now there is a, some notoriety to what she's done and who she is and what kind of monster she is. So if you can't control the narrative in the. They, I'm gonna get off. They raped me. They tried to rape me. It was self-defense. Yeah. Maybe you'd be like, fuck it, I'm gonna be a notorious serial killer. Yeah. Which means I wanted to rob them. Them I wanted to kill them and I wanted to leave. Leave no witnesses because I'm a bad bitch. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that would make sense because I guess when you are saying self-defense, like even if you thought in your head it was self-defense, when she gets charged and she's not getting out, then it's oh, okay, fuck you. I'll tell you whatever I think it was, especially if it's like I tried to tell you for self-defense and you don't believe me now I need to protect myself by being like a stone cold bitch. Don't fuck with me. I dunno if it's a big spoiler, but doesn't she just, once she's convicted, doesn't she just I want to die. Yeah, that's why I was just like on leave, no witnesses, but maybe she was just like, this is my last sort of like drama to the Yeah. She gets six death sentences for these murders, but only not seven because they never actually found the body of Peter Simones, even though she says that was also her. She went to Florida State Prison to await execution. She got, yeah, the death sentence for every single one bar, the Missing Body. This is where she ends up starting to make loads of the confession tapes and interviews, and she does all of her documentary stuff. She gets rid of her legal team completely. She refuses any offers of appeals. And she says stuff like, this is a quote from the documentary. I killed those men. I robbed them cold as ice and I do it again too. There's no chance in keeping me alive because I will kill again. And some more about her not wanting to pretend to be crazy anymore. She just hates human life and wants to tell the truth or something like that. Okay. Also something else completely to note about the documentary is, so you said you watched the first bit? Yeah, a little bit. The first, like the first quote is this guy being like, I dunno, who would be attracted to that? Yeah. Why the freak? Would you? It's always though, isn't it? Like it's always about appearance. It's always about like it's not the, and I know there are some male serial killers like Ted Bundy who they say handsome yeah. Sexual, blah, blah blah blah. But like it's not, that is the first thing. Joanna Dehy. Yeah. That's what people said about her scrubs up. It's actually quite pretty. Yeah. It's a shame.'cause she's actually pretty Yeah. Like she can she, if she puts a bit of slap on she Yeah. Eileen Warners, you're going like, I dunno, who'd actually want to get with her or pay for sex. Yeah. Or like whatever. You're like, fuck. Who would like fuck off. Yeah. It's just unbelievable. I dunno who would be attracted to that? Who's paying for that? Yeah. Why is it gotta be about how she looks straight off the bat? Just'cause she's a female serial killer and straight and also shut, fuck up. Because obviously people did, because she was a sex worker. That's how she looked after herself for years. Yeah. And I don't, I just don't, I think it's just like that thing isn't it? Where if it's if it was a man serial killer, no one would start it like, yeah, he was ugly. Me. Yeah. It's just this thing of women. That's what I'm gonna start everyone now. Yeah. I'm gonna rate them on a scale of one to 10. Yeah. Literally though. Like you wouldn't, you would not see it on anything else. Yeah. So unbelievable. The documentary is Aileen, queen of the Serial Killers, by the way. She also said she whispers to Jasmine, the woman that's interviewing her like she goes you're gonna make millions off this. I saw that bit. Yeah. Yeah. And she says, you're free to do whatever you like with it and stuff. She's just stop caring completely. Yeah. She fully admits to doing sloppy work. Like she said, she was never trying to hide anything or cover anything up. Yeah. She just did it and she just, even with her. Like I say, petty crimes, but we were still like fighting and theft and stuff, but like her less mass, her less big crimes. Yeah. Before she went on to being a serial killer, she wasn't trying to, she was still not trying to cover things up. She was just like, I've just always committed crime and it just got more and more, yeah. And I was just doing it until I got caught, basically. Yeah. Which I also felt is a bit of a lulls to the police in that moment of her being like, I didn't even try and cover it up and it still took so you couldn't fucking catch me. Yeah. It still took them seven bodies to work out who I was. Yeah. She also says she doesn't fear death. She requested the death penalty in return for this full confession. Yeah. So obviously she'd have the death sentences and I think she said if I just fully confess to everything, can I just have the lethal injection? Just get rid of me please. Yeah, I don't know. It is, this is a complicated time, but she just kept saying she was ready to go. So on October the ninth, 2002, she got the lethal injection. She skipped her last meal and just had a coffee instead. Which I could not think of anything worse. Sorry, than empty stomach. Fucking jittery, shaking jittering, having caffeine on an empty stomach and knowing you how she feel. Grief injection. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a fucking awful way to go. Yeah, just like jittery as hell yeah. Don't get me wrong, I live for coffee on an empty stomach too. Yeah. You just I that would not be my last meal though. No, that's not. But like also, you are already probably waking up feeling quite anxious. Yeah. I guess you're just, you're about to die anyway, so Yeah, she's just over it all. Her last words were. Yes, I would like to just say I'm sailing with the rock and I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus June 6th, like the movie Big Mothership, and I'll Be back. That screams mental illness, doesn't it with no Jesus a whole entire life. And everyone's just oh my God, this crazy lesbian. Just help her. Why did no one help her? That is literally when you know that book that you, that what is it called that lo loads of people were reading like last year and it was all over? Little Life. Have you ever heard of it? No. It's or I think it's called Little Life or something like that. Anyway, it's this really fucking bleak book. That is basically just like about a bunch of friends and how bad it is. And then it follows the one friend quite specifically, but what happens to all of them? And they basically just fucking die. And then this one life is like really bad and then he just fucking dies. And it's just so depressing. God. And then that is what her life reminds me of. Yeah. It's just like you, I haven't even read the book. I've just heard about it like quite a lot. Yeah. But and like people are literally sitting on trains reading it and like crying and it's it's so fucking bleak. Yeah. So bleak. There's no goodness in that. No. In any of it. Yeah. Yeah. So you start to fucking finish. How old was she when she was excluded? Do you know? So it was in 2002, and then she was born in 56. So what, 50 odd older? 48. 48, yeah. Yeah, 48. Just honestly, it is so sad and like I love her, like I know I shouldn't, but yeah. She's so in, I don't know if she was just like, my life has been shit. Everything has been shit. And I did what I did and I protected Tyra and she got away scot-free after everything I put her through, yeah. And then she's just kill me because I just, anymore, I do have to say, I do always feel somewhat sorry for the victims of Eileen warns because I do think that we do sometimes have a tendency to have less sympathy for the men's. Yeah. One of my notes here literally says, do I think she deserved to. No, because I don't believe in the death penalty. Yeah. Do I feel bad for her? It's interesting because if a man had done this to a woman, would I be a, with the same background? Because there are some serial killers who have male serial killers, who have had bleak fucking lives and done horrible things. And I do think that we don't. Yeah. I literally put, if Amanda to give out the same sympathy, would I be as sympathetic? Yeah. No, I can't help the amount of sympathy I do feel for her. Yeah. Because of her life. Yeah. I do hope that if we were talking about a male counterpart, we would. Yeah. I'd feel the same. I'd feel very sympathetic. Yeah. Also, but also I feel bad for her because her life was horrible, but I do not think, people have bad lives all the time and don't do this. Yes. That does not make it accept. I also acceptable, I also do think that there is not really a scenario that could fit the same with a man. No. Because there is a certain level of she could have been, we're talking about the first one. I'm saying like she might have been raped or attempted to be raped and that was actually self-defense and that's what set off. There could have also been like A-P-P-T-S-D in terms of like triggers that these men specifically did. Something they said or a certain way that they acted. Not their fault, but that might have happened. That they, that then set her off into deciding to kill them. There is also, just to note on what you've just said, is there are theories that all of her victims as they were white older men, they actually represented assemble her granddad. Yes. Her granddad. So it was a certain look and a certain age. Yeah. That maybe, I think I've got pictures of it somewhere that maybe made her, that was her trigger in itself. Which I feel that would be really hard with a man. Yeah. Because you'd have to believe that there was a certain level of vulnerability Yeah. That they felt that would classify in your mind that you could see a version of self-defense. Yeah. So that's him. Yeah. And then that's like all of the victims. Yeah. Okay. So like I see. They don't all look like each other, but they're all of around like. Middle age to Yeah. Older. But it also might have been a personality thing. Yeah. Or, but there are theories. People are like, she, she's gone for the same Yeah. Profile every single time. Is there something about it that when she is maybe meeting them and getting in their car and then going off somewhere with them that she automatically could quilt? She's, and she doesn't feel safe around them and stuff that she's obviously not doing that to every person that picks her up because she's working as a sex worker. She's not, otherwise you'd be seeing thousands every day of bodies. Like it would be ridiculous. So she's obviously not doing it to every single one. So it does, there is a certain argument there to be like what specifically? Yeah. About, but then I guess there are serial killers who. Use sex workers. Yeah. And don't kill every single sex worker. Yeah. They just, they pick and choose. Yeah. So I don't know. It's also rare, isn't it, that the shoe is on the other foot in this one? Yeah. That it's like the serial killer isn't going for sex workers. The sex worker is going for men. Yeah. Yeah. But I do, I, yeah, I do think that there is a certain part of me that always does feel quite bad for the amount of sympathy I know that she gets, and victim wouldn't. I know I wouldn't give that to Yeah. Anyone else, but I just, I think I, a female. Yeah. It's hard not to. You can. Help but sympathize in the sense that she was, had the worst hand dealt to her. And it's such a, it's such a tragic story. Yeah. Everyone let her down time and time again. She had no support or care. She needed psychiatric help. She never got any, she was homeless for so long, but yeah, I would not, we're not saying what she did was right. Yeah. But we are saying you can see how she got to this place. Yeah. And I don't think she deserves the death penalty, but I don't believe in the death penalty. And that is just all there is to it. Yeah. I don't think, I'm not saying that she's less deserving than someone else. I just don't think the death penalty, I don't think you can something I I don't think you can believe it. I think it can't be a sure thing. No. There are too many people that go to prison for crimes that they didn't commit. Yeah. There are, there is too much margin of error too. For something like the death penalty s and who are you allowed to make that doesn't do any, it doesn't do any good. What does it do? Yeah. What, why is that justice also a completely, just a totally different argument is if she does need to go to prison to pay for the crime she's committed, then you are technically giving her an out, because that's what she wanted, is to not have to be in prison. I think sometimes that, for these people that when they do these things to have to be in prison and for the rest of their natural life so that they can, it's not necessarily a bad thing so that they can think about what they've done. Yeah. And. Yeah. I don't know. I just think that if you are gonna take someone's life because someone else has taken someone else's life, then aren't you part of the problem? Yeah. It's just a vicious cycle. It is a vicious cycle and it doesn't help anything. Yeah. But I don't, I 100% think percent think that she, what she did was wrong, and I 100% think that she should have been arrested, and I'm glad she got caught. And I do not think it's okay. And I feel terrible for all of those victims, but the whole story is just so sad. Yeah. And that's what makes me before she does all of the killings, I feel so bad for her. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. But I don't think it's okay. And I'm not, that's not what I'm saying at all. I just like, I just, I sympathize in the sense that I don't think I ever, life is horrible at all the podcasts I listen to and the things that I've seen geared towards her. Women especially, I don't think I've seen a woman who doesn't feel bad. Yeah. For her. But I think it's also just from the way that they opened that documentary saying, oh, she was, dunno what was wrong with her face. Whatever. It was like, yeah. She wasn't a looker. I dunno who to get with her. And it's just again, you go for her appearance, you go for her looks. You go for what is the point? Okay. Anyway. Yeah. Sorry about the sad vibes, everyone. Yeah. That was a bit of a sad one. Yeah. But it's gotta be done and I just wanted to we're gonna do it at some point, and not every episode is going to be us being ridiculously unsensitive. Yeah. Where, the reality is it's, yeah. That was, that's a bad, there's no fucking, the I don't even know. It's hard to even take the piss out of her. Yeah. There's, because it's just so bleak. We just like, when we first started doing the pub, we were like that we don't want to. Laugh about things, but we want there to be comedic relief. Yeah. But there's some that you're just like, I can't find a sliver of good, and we want the whole thing to be like, it's, we're telling you bits about ourselves, but we're just having conversations and we're just generally talking about the way we would, if you were sat with your own mates talking about what the fuck, most insane stuff. Yeah. But that is obviously always part of this. Literally like these are real people's lives Yeah. That have been absolutely shattered and Yeah. It's just absolutely fucked. And then sometimes a story like Eileen Warners comes along and you just remember like how fucked the circle Yeah. Of like violences Yeah. And what it can produce. And if her mom had stuck around Yeah. If her granddad wasn't a piece of shit. Yeah. If she hadn't have become homeless, like all of these things. That's why I knew when I watched the doc that I had to do this one because it. Test. It makes me think why do I have this weird sympathy? Yeah. And like, why do I have, why do I feel this way when I wouldn't feel this way about someone else? It's just good to test the brain, but also you don't exist in a vacuum. Like you. People are always, you, it would be fucking crazy for you to say that you have no form of sympathy. Yeah. For someone whose life was like that. Yeah. But is it just'cause she's a girl? Yeah. I think I'd always feel bad for a man in those circumstances, but there is a certain level of tragedy to th this female specifically being brutalized. I feel like as well, if she'd killed that first guy and that was it, I would've been like, that is what I would've been like, girl, I back. You like believe it. That was what? That was self-defense. You've had it fucked. Like you probably not another man will rape me. Yeah. Fuck off. The rest is that's where the crimes got too. The petty crimes were too boring. You got away with it the first time. I just think that three, that the first one was a catalyst to lie. Yeah. She realizes she can keep going and people aren't gonna find her. Yeah. And she's probably flying off the rails and yeah. People are dying because of it. That's what's bad. But it is. I knew it would be one to be like, how testing is this to Yeah. A but yeah, very sad. And I'm sorry. Yeah. We're gonna wrap it up now'cause we've managed to get to 95 fucking minutes. So this is a big old beefy one. Yeah. Maybe one of the last beefy we've had actually the beef. Maybe not after it's edited. Might be fun. Yeah, we did leave the room a few times. Yes, there's definitely, I went to pee somewhere there in the middle, which was a while. Yeah, so you know, the usual follow us on TikTok and Instagram at Kill The Mood Pod, and email us at Kill the Mood podcast@gmail.com. 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