Slenderman Made Me Do It

This week, we’re stepping into a case where an internet legend bled into real life.

We’re talking about the Slender Man stabbing, a story that sits at the unsettling crossroads of childhood, belief, and the dark corners of online mythology. We’ll rewind to a quiet Wisconsin town, explore how a fictional figure took hold of young minds, and unpack the events that shocked the world and sparked huge questions about responsibility, reality, and the power of stories we tell ourselves.

It’s a case that’s less about monsters in the woods and more about fear, influence, and how something imaginary can have very real consequences. So grab something comforting, take a deep breath, and join two girls who are still winging it, gently laughing through the nerves as we try to understand one of the most disturbing modern true crime cases, and why it still makes people uneasy today.

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Welcome to Kill the Mood podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything spooky Doy. There'll be lots of true crime, but also just general mysteries. Some will be sold, some will leave you hanging. We are just two girls put in the world to write, but not really. We just like yapping. I'd also like to add that we are not professionals, just two ladies who apparently like the sound of their invoices, enough to record and believe that you will coup. We mean no offense in anything we say. We like a huge percentage of the world, find all of this unfathomable and this is just our own little way of making sense of the senseless. Your little cows are moving. Moving. Cows are moving. I've got little cows slippers on. So without further ado, this week's case is Slender Man. Made me do it. Oh, I do know. An okay amount about this actually. Yeah, that's fair. Nothing wild, but I have, since you told me you were doing it, kept away from updates Yes. And also kept away from like the doc that's on now tv. Yes. Yeah. I watched it, it was quite a whirlwind. Yeah. To be honest. Fucking wild case. Yeah. Wild case. Brutal, if I remember right. As well. Yeah. This is a crazy case. Like it is almost unbelievable. And also to go into it, we have to go into a lot of background to things and, oh no. Yeah, there's just obviously it's just talking about where things came from and how they've affected people's minds and stuff like that. And I guess g creepy ba Yeah. And I guess technology and everything, so it's it's probably gonna be quite an in-depth one, but Yeah, it's, we will have just given you a 40 minute one. Yes. We think 40 minutes by the time I've done editing or yeah, somewhere around that. Which is nice because we've been giving you some fucking powerhouse episodes recently. Yeah. We've sat behind this desk. Yeah. An hour and a half of pop, which is actually fucking wild.'cause what we've been doing is recording two hour episodes and then cutting them down for an hour and a half as well. Yeah. We've really let ourselves go. Yeah. We've got fucking reign it back in. We've been going on too many tangents. Yeah, we've got too much to tell you. All New Year New Arts. Yeah. Nine pages. You're getting 30 minute episodes of nine pages. I just literally just, so let's go this. Everyone dies at the end. No theories. No comments. Nothing. Although I know that there's some people that are saying to me like they were, they're like looking forward to the longer episodes so they can listen to it on car journeys and stuff. So yeah. That is great. Yeah. That's good. This will probably another be another Car journey episode. How many hours all together do you think we've recorded now? I bet we can see on D script. Oh, that's so exciting. I have a little look. Only so many. 20. I wish they did it. More hours. More than 20 hours. I reckon there's fifth. 16. Yeah, probably 25, 30 hours. That's crazy. Yeah. How exciting. Yeah. So we'll just go straight in. Let's get into it.'cause we know it's gonna be a long one, so we're gonna cut the fucking waffle. So let's set the scene for this case. We're heading to Waukesha, Wisconsin in 2014, specifically Saturday the 31st of May, 2014. Peyton Lana, she was 12 years old at the time and was heading into the woods with her friends, Morgan Geiser and Anissa. We, they'd all been friends for a year or so at this point. And it was actually the morning after a sleepover for Morgan's 12th birthday. The three of them were the only ones at the sleepover at Morgan's house. Peyton and Morgan had actually met first. They'd met way back in kindergarten, which I think is like reception. Yeah, reception time. Yeah, I think so. But they didn't become best friends till fourth grade, which is around nine or 10 years old, or year five. For people that are in the uk. Yeah. Morgan and Anissa had actually met more recently in sixth grade, which is year seven in the uk and that's around 11 or 12 years old. And they do, they split secondary school the same way we do? I don't, I think because don't they have like a middle school? Middle school? Yeah. But what the fuck is that people like,'cause as is just primary and secondary. Did you have middle school in Birmingham? No.'cause someone that I know in Worcester, she or somewhere has used to have first school in middle school. Oh yeah, I know. And it wasn't even like a posh school. It was just like your average school, but maybe just Worcester. She, no, mine was just primary and secondary. Yeah, same. But I was like, oh, I didn't realize that was something nursery. Yeah. Is that as well, does that count? Is that first school prison? That juvenile detention, that's somewhere in there In between the first and second, isn't it? Reception primary juvenile detention? So Morgan and Anissa just met through getting the same bus to the school that they all went to because they lived in the same village and the school was somewhere else. They then all collided as friends. So basically Morgan was the person that introduced Peyton. Anissa and Peyton, yeah. To each other. But, and so Morgan was like the main link between the three of them. Anissa actually didn't have any other connections in school before Morgan. I think she was bullied. Oh yeah. So that must have been like quite a big deal for her meeting Morgan. Yeah. She actually told an old friend from a different school Anissa did that. She had loads of friends and all of the guys liked her and stuff, but oh, to be that age again. How old are they right now? They're 10 or 11? 12. 12. Yeah. Basically, yeah, 11. It's someone's 12th birthday, so Yeah. That is just remember what you were like back then. I was such a boisterous little bitch. Yeah. I also, I was quite. But quite a lot bigger than everybody else in school. Like I was a bit chubby, but I was also a lot taller than everybody else. Just turns out I stopped growing in primary school. You and like just sucking your dummy? Yeah. Literally playing with my Barbies, but like beating the shadow of people too. Yeah. And yeah, I was just like, I just remember I was just, I don't know, I can't even hear what I'm saying, but I can picture me and I can just think, oh, you're so fucking annoying. I know. It's like survival of the fittest, isn't it? Yeah. You know what I mean? If you're big and you can push people around, if it's gonna stop you from being the person that's pushed around, like there's a hierarchy that no one talks about. Yeah. And if you are, if you're a little bit dorky, which I think Anissa was like it, it can just be a really shit start for someone. Morgan paid her some attention and I think it, was it meant everything to her. Yeah. Even her parents are like, we were so happy that Anissa was going to someone's house for a birthday sleepover because she used to cry like once, at least once a week about how no one liked her in school and stuff. So I think it was probably like a massive, especially'cause she was lying to her friends, I say friends, this is just some girl that she knew from another, I think from when they were in like reception or whatever. Yeah. She's in the documentary and she says, yeah, she told me that everyone liked her and stuff. She'd never sit down and say to me, I'm having a hard time at school. She'd be like, she, I'm having a great time. They everyone not me. They love me. Yeah. Even though no one would talk to her. I guess if you admit it to somebody else though, you have to admit it to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like super scary. Yeah. Especially at that age. Yeah, for sure peyton went by Bella in school. I. I don't really know why, but that's what her friends called her, which obviously like Interesting. Yeah. I just think,'cause I don't know if, I think later I quote some things that they say, oh, about her, right? And they call her Bella. Okay. And like obviously when they're like all of this unfolds and stuff and like people are taking statements and whatever, they are like, oh Bella this. And everyone's who? Sorry, who the fuck is that? Okay. Alright. I don't know who that is. Yeah. The night before, so this is like the morning when they're all heading off to the woods. The night before on this sleepover, the girls had all gone to Skateland, which is like a roller rink. And then they'd all headed home. They'd gone down to the basement with their iPads and they'd all played games and stuff and done normal kids stuff. Then the next morning they'd got up and they'd had donuts and strawberries for breakfast with Morgan's mom. Then Morgan asked if. They could all go to the park. And she said, yes. Morgan told her mom she loved her and that she would see her later. She then took a knife from the kitchen and they all left to go to the park. Jesus fucking Christ. She's the only one that I couldn't remember which ones the Vic and which ones between and Nessa and Peyton. I think it's Peyton. I can't remember, but I knew that Morgan. Yes, I knew that Morgan was the one of the, yeah. Perpetrators. Perpetrators. Good word. Yes. So they go to the park, they all begin to play on the equipment. They're having a great time, and then they all go to the toilets together. Anissa asks Peyton in the toilet if she could try and make herself go to sleep. Peyton says that she didn't want to do that. So Anissa uses her fist to smack Peyton in the forehead, causing her head to hit the back wall. Morgan takes out the knife and hands it to Anissa and then Morgan just out of nowhere, starts freaking out a bit. And apparently Anissa says to Peyton Peyton wasn't knocked unconscious at this point. She was what the fuck's going on? And Anissa says, can you just wait outside a minute?'cause there's something going on and Peyton just does it. And it is okay. Oh my God. Yeah. Which is peculiar, but I think she's probably just I don't think like it's normal for you to hit your friend in the head, but I think they were quite a peculiar bunch of people that were just, but also they're super young. You're a kid, like they're super young and like maybe you're like, what the fuck? But also, what the fuck? Yeah. And we'll go on to talk about it in a bit, like her Issa and Morgan like leaving Peyton out and stuff. Yeah. And like it's all a bit. Strange anyway. So I think Peyton's just oh, they're just doing their normal, like fucking weird stuff. And I guess I'll just, where else am I gonna go?'cause I'm hanging out with them and we're all at the park and this is a birthday party, God, I wish she'd fucking ran honestly. But yeah, so Anissa then ends up trying to calm Morgan down in the toilets. They come out of the toilets and Peyton was obviously really frightened and confused and the other two girls said that to, to make it better, they were all gonna play hide and seek. Peyton was like, I don't wanna do that. I just wanna go home. And Morgan said to Peyton, if you play with us, then you can choose the next game. They told Peyton that both her and Anissa would hide in the woods and then Morgan would go and find them. Anisa and Peyton then go deeper and deeper into the woods until they just get to a bit that I guess Anisa is like this is a good place to hide. She tells Peyton to hide under a pile of leaves and be really still. And then Morgan came to find them. While she was under the leaves, she said she could hear the girls talking in the distance, but she wasn't really sure what they were saying. This is what they were saying. Morgan again handed the knife to Anissa and said, you have to do it. You know where all the soft spots are. Oh my God, it's crazy, isn't it? Oh my God. Anissa then hands the knife back to Morgan and Peyton hears her say, go ballistic, go crazy. Make sure she is down. Anissa then turns her back on Morgan and says really loudly that I don't think she's like shouting, but she says now. So Peyton was still hiding at this point, and she hears Morgan say to her, don't be afraid. I'm just a little kitty cat. Ugh. Yeah. I was so gross. God. Yeah. Like that being like the last thing you hear before what happens is you get fucking attacked. Yeah, it's horrifying. Morgan climbs on top of Peyton's legs and then whispers in her ear again. I'm so sorry. Morgan starts to stab Peyton with the five inch, I think it's a steak knife that she stole from her kitchen. She stabs Peyton 19 times. She stabs her in her arms, her legs, and her torso. One of the punctures is an inch away from a vital organ. Peyton was shouting, I can't see over and over again. Then she shouted, I trusted you to Morgan. She tries to get up, but she's obviously super dizzy from the blood loss. And the girls told her to stay. Lay down, don't get up, be quiet and they'll go and get help. Obviously, they weren't planning to get help. They were planning to run away. Their plan was to head to Tte National Forest in Wisconsin to head to a mansion where they would be protected. So they do one and they basically leave Peyton in the woods. Luckily Peyton is hell no. Do they think I'm gonna stick around to see if they come back with help? Well done. Fucking painter. Honestly. Yeah. Like good on you.'cause it's what would've, it's what saved your life. Yeah. She's been stabbed 19 times. Oh. By her best friends. I think it's only like 10 to 10 in the morning or something at this point. Holy fucking shit. Yeah. And she's just in the middle of the woods and she's they're not coming back for me. No. Like, why would they just stab me and then say they were coming back? But it seems like they're manipulating the shit out of her. Yeah. So good that she, yeah. Didn't believe that a hundred percent. So she gets up and she manages to crawl all the way through the woods until she gets to a road. There's a cyclist called Greg Steinberg, and he's coming past and he finds Peyton covered in blood, nearly unconscious, and then calls 9 1 1. The emergency services are on the scene literally itself within minutes. Yeah. It's like anything to do with a kid. Yeah. Anything like lost kid, I think or if you, or like a huge safeguarding issue or whatever. They respond so quickly. Yeah. Every single second counts. I know that every second counts with any Yeah, of course it does. But how do you prioritize I guess if you are, it's the same as heart attacks, isn't it? If you say I'm having a heart attack they're so fucking quick. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. My, this girl at uni, she really hurt her back and she couldn't move. She was on the floor. And it literally took eight hours or something. Yeah. Because it's not, she's not immediate danger. It's not an e. Yeah. She can't move. And she was there all night. Yeah. But they've gotta prioritize. I think it's also the same as if like you. Want the police to come. But you don't think they're gonna respond quickly? You supposed to say, I think I saw a knife. Yes. And then they'll respond a lot quicker. It's just you like, yeah. What would you do if you're annoyed at your mom like a little bit and you feel like it's you're not listening to me. I think I saw nine. I think I saw a nine. Yeah. They literally came asap. Obviously she's fucking 12 years old and she's covered in blood. Actually when the police arrive, Peyton is still with it enough to be able to tell the police the name of her, stab her. They rush her off to hospital and then the hunt for Morgan Geiser was on. Yeah. So she just managed to say, she just managed to say Morgan Geiser. Yeah. As they were two 12 year olds covered in blood and on the run it was not that hard to find them. Yeah. They'd cleaned up in a Walmart nearby and they were just about to start their adventure to the mansion in the forest when they were caught. This forest also was an hour drive away from where they were and they were gonna walk fucking hell. Yeah. Both Morgan and Anissa are taken into custody and obviously separated. And the officers take statements from both girls, like straight away. They're both in like a room. Yeah. And yeah, they just start interviewing them it becomes very clear very quickly that these girls, Morgan especially, have something even more seriously wrong going on other than just stabbing their friend. Morgan is showing no remorse and said stabbing. Patient felt like nothing. Like I was stabbing air completely. No remorse whatsoever. That's I just don't really get where you get this from as a ki I understand that there's going to be some implication for like mental illness and stuff, but it's the same as, the Jamie Bulger case? No, not, I don't think so. It's, I actually don't think I have the stomach to ever do it, but it's John Venables and I've forgotten the other guy's name, but it's two very young children who take a three year-old boy to the train track. Oh my God. Yes. I do know exactly this and brutalize her. Yeah. And it's from video games and stuff, isn't it? Yeah, it's, it, they blame it on Charles play Chucky. Yeah. Yes. That's it. And they literally steal the kid from his mom's hand Yeah. In a shop. It's so crazy. It is so wild how your brain can be manipulated when you're so young. Yeah. And what you're exposed to. I've been curious about a lot of things, but but there's, yeah, there's an element of you knowing Yeah. What's right and wrong from the get go, ugh. That people go to prison for this stuff, that it's not okay. There is an element of like you are in your own world. Yeah. And you are really believing something that you've been led to believe online, but at the same time, like what? Just because there's violence in a game or violence in a film. Yeah. It doesn't make it okay for you to enact it out in the world. Yeah. It's so scary. Yeah. But it's also just crazy that she thinks it's like stabbing air. There's some people that are like, oh, I had to kill someone like in the war and I've never recovered. And she's apparently it's like physically demanding as well. Yeah. To just be able 19 times. Yeah. 19 fucking times everywhere. And so it's like stabbing air. Yeah. Oh my God. It's so horrifying. yes. So she also says, when asked, I didn't want to do this. And the officer that is taking her statement says, why did you then? And she said, I was worried what would happen if I didn't. She's obviously still completely emotionless and she says that stabbing Peyton Bella was necessary. Yeah. But it wasn't, of course not. Yeah. Just to be clear. Yeah just to clear that up. Just to clear it up, it wasn't necessary. No. The girls said that they had to do it, otherwise their families would be in danger. And Bella was the chosen one when asked, who told you to do this? Why is she the chosen one? Morgan says that they did it for Slender Man. No, it's fucking men. Oh yeah. It is. It is fucking mental. But it's wild. Like I, yeah. 2014, how old are you? 14. 13. Yeah. Yeah. 14 or 15. So you are not far off their age? No. And like I grew up with, so I'm 17. I grew up with, I'm 16 or 17 at this point. Yeah, same. I know that stuff. Yeah. I'll go into now just a bit of background for Slender Man. For anyone that doesn't know, like I think everyone Yeah. Surely everyone age knows who Slenderman is. Yeah. I grew up around this kind of stuff I grew up around like intense trends, like Yeah. Creepy past Tumblr, four chan. Yeah. Tumblr. Like they were fucking massive dark side of the internet. Yeah. But you still know that. Fuck me. We were all watching stuff like salad fingers. Yeah. On YouTube and Charlie the unicorn and what was that weird thing that would pop up in videos? Newmans? No, not that. Momo and and Ask Fme and yeah. Some real messed up stuff. Like online bullying. Was It was, yeah. It was fucking Rife man. Those videos that people would send you that was like chain mail, like scary things. You have to send this on or your family will die, or, yeah. I had nightmares. Yeah. The second I got given a phone, it was literally a terrifying world. Yeah. But yeah, it's just, you still understood not to kill somebody. Yeah. There's a level of understanding that it's scary, but it's not real. Yeah. But that didn't happen here. So what is Slender Man? For anyone that doesn't know. Slenderman first became a thing on June the 10th in 2009. A guy called Eric Sen created he was under the pseudonym Victor Surge first posted Slenderman on the website. Something awful. Which is, a forum that's it's summed up as like a comedic website where people can post blog entries, comedic media forums, feature articles, stuff like that. So basically like Reddit. Yeah. But in the early two thousands so on the 10th of June, 2009, there's a little thread going on that's titled Create Paranormal Images. And this is where Victor Surge posted. See, this means that I'm literally, yeah. I'm, I'm 12 at this point when this, when Slenderman starts Yeah. The law. I'm nine of Slenderman, like I'm 12 and Yeah. Which means you are probably, which means I'm her age just becoming online. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. To be fair, this happens in 2014. No, I know, but what I'm saying is like when it first, yeah, when it first emerged, when Slenderman started. When the law begins. Yeah. I am around the same age as what happens in 2014, which, I'm obviously no one's the same. And we do understand that there's obviously different circumstances, but we had that exposure too, didn't we? But it, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it's so hard to understand how you get to murdering your friend at over. Yeah, it was something that everyone was exposed to as somebody who was exposed to the same thing at the same age. He used to scare the shit out of me, don't get me wrong, but I knew he wasn't real. Yeah. He was just scary that it was just the internet. Yeah. It's such a wild time. So yeah, there's a thread that's titled Create Paranormal Images where Victor Sge posts his Slender Man photo. You can search him if you dunno what he looks like, but he's described as a tall, skinny man with a featureless white head and long, creepy fingers. That was my, yeah I added the long, creepy fingers. And he's in a black suit. Yeah. Usually amongst some trees. Yeah. Or some children. Or some children, yeah. The first ever photo is like with loads of kids in a park, and then Slender Man's added into the photo and it's made to look really real, but it's like an old photograph. So yeah, it's looks quite believable again, cultivating law. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah, so it starts to form from here. The background to his story is that he stalks and preys on children often linked to mysterious disappearances or mental disturbances. Slender Man becomes an online sensation and a cultural phenomenon. He's then moved to creepy pasta and four chan, which is a horror forum. And like Tumblr, there's YouTube videos all over about him, and he literally became massive. But creepy pasta was like a main thing. Yeah. Which was like horror stories. I was fucking obsessed with creepy pasta. Yeah. I have to show you something. Sorry. Carry on. I spent so many nights scaring the shit out of myself on creepy pasta, literally, because I just I just loved it and yeah you probably could have convinced me at the time that some of it was real. Yeah, I, to be fair, like some of the stories the, you know the one that always sticks in my mind is the sleep experiment, mark. Oh yeah. That one always fucked with rooms and stuff. There's so much, there was so much I was like, oh my God, imagine if that's real. Is that, are that, is that back rooms, like red rooms and stuff? Is that what they're called? Remember? Yeah. Yeah. And there was like all these weird, I don't know, it was really weird, wasn't it? Yeah. Oh, it's making me wanna read creepy past night. Why, gosh, shoot. Or do you know also I haven't had Twitter for fucking years, right? Yeah. But when I first went on Twitter and it, like all the stuff like, dear David started, do you know what Dear David is? And it's about it was this guy who basically starts tweeting about how he keeps seeing this. Kid in his room at night who's got a dent in his head and it's fucking terrifying. And he tweets. Yeah, I know that is ringing a bell. He tweets like it's really happening. All the, there was one that I used to read, I can't remember the name of it, but it was a, an account that like basically would, was saying like that they were in an, they think they'd ended up in an alternate reality and the only way that they could communicate was through Twitter, but only at certain times. So they'd sometimes there'd be mumps between posts. And you were so invested. Yeah. You were so invested. So invested. Yeah. There was some things. Storytelling was fucking sick at the beginning of the internet. To be fair. To be fair. There was some things that I was fully like, yeah, that's real. And Slenderman, I was like, obviously, because I didn't know the law of where it came from and I was so young that no one was sitting me down and being like, this is just an online phenomenon. Calm down. I was like creeped out by that shit, yeah. There was just like,'cause when I was even younger and I was watching like grizzly tales for gruesome kids, like that shit used to sit with me. Yeah. I'd be like, I can't be naughty because Yeah. That man will come and because I'll get my bed. Yeah. Yeah. So like I totally get the that and Goosebumps and yeah. All of that creepy shit that you used to watch when you were a kid. Yeah. Or scary stories. Not scary stories I was telling about, that's not the one I was thinking of. There's one that my mom used to make me watch, which she like, she used to watch it when she was a kid. And it starts with a skeleton. Oh, I can't remember. I'll have to remember the name of it. Yeah. I just think it was like, like creepy pastors bangers. But when I was young, and that was first becoming a thing, I was like, Nope. Yeah. Can't fuck with that. That's terrifying. It was only as I got older that I was like, oh, I can really appreciate the storytelling aspect of this. Yeah. Oh, I was a horror kid though. Like I was watching like horror films from a very young age. Yeah. And to be fair, I did enjoy a good horror film from quite young. Not, I don't think I was invested as like You've always been Destiny. No, I, I've, destiny. Yeah. I've always loved horror, but yeah. I don't know, maybe 12 was a little bit too young for me to start, but I was still aware. Yeah. Like I was online. I had a Tumblr account. Like I had a Yeah, I've been on four chan. I know what MySpace is. Yeah. Yeah. I was on four chan. Like I understood. Yeah. I got lost in a few threads that were like, yeah, that would really would boot me out. this is what I wanted to show you. Du sent me this screenshot the other day. Yeah. And was like, do you think there's something wrong with me? Creepy. Pasta be scared creep, scary stories. Oh my God. No, this is his, so his Spotify top pod. So creeps mc, ba be scared, kill the mood. Podcast creeps cast and scary. Horror stories. Oh my gosh. He was like, do you think I have a problem? Yes, Beinder. Yes, we do. So funny. Honestly, that's what I wanted to show you when we started talking about it again So yeah, it was really scary and it just took over the internet.'cause then people were just making their own developments of it and because it was open to interpretation as well. So people built on the story of Santa Claus, the same way that they would build on the story of Slenderman is he would stalk and pray children and he was a faceless man. The rest is completely to your interpretation, yeah. Like where he came from, why he's doing it. Is he, he's creepy and he's horrible, but is he necessarily all bad? Yeah. There's so much, it's such an interesting. Thing to note because in, in one sense, it is the same as the tooth fairy, and it is the same as like Sandman and stuff. And it is just all mythological. Like it's all lies. It's all Sorry spoilers. It's all lies. Yeah. Yeah. But I was just, sorry. I was just trying to find basically there's a name for a I forgot what it's called it's a, it's a creature or like a mythical thing or a monster that can be created through storytelling. Your own Yeah. It's an actual like. It's, it, I think it's called like a, it's called a topa. A topa. A topa. Oh my gosh. Fair. Yeah. And that is that is like slenderman, isn't it? It's obviously it's not real. However, sle, something like Slenderman becomes a topa because it's as real as we make it, you make it. And the more times people talk about it, yeah. The more times the stories get changed, the more times the background gets built on. Like he becomes, he's something different to everyone. And every time you tell retell the story, you give it power. Yeah. And like that, oh my. Yeah. Sorry. That was just like sat in my brain. That's the completely, also, this is like in the time where there's fan fix fucking everywhere like fan fix are massive. And some might have said, he's he's not bad if you. If you prove your alliance to him. Yeah. If you do something for him, then he can take you away from what sacrifice reality is. Yeah. If you're having a bad time at home and it's oh, if you prove yourself to Slender Man, he won't take you away and kill you. He'll take away the kids and protect you. Yeah. And it which I guess if you're not having a good time is quite the promise. Yeah. And your brain is so susceptible at that age. Yeah. That if someone just promised you something and there's loads of people at this point making versions and some of them are just photos, but then there's YouTube videos of one I watched where it's just like this window and then you look down and you'll bleed. Just like from someone's perspective. Yeah. You looking down there bleeding and then they look to the side and there's Slender Man and it's already scary. But then he like puts his hand out and he like, takes your hand and then you go into like the light. And it's like loads of people were commenting on it like, maybe he's just trying to get us away from the d damning reality is my life. So everyone had a version of what they thought Slenderman was. S was man was basically just the same as what Santa means to people when you know, I also a toper. Yeah. A toper. Yeah, if he snatches your away, what if it's a good thing instead? What if snatching you away was good? What if you prove your alliance to him and not, you become an ally instead of a target. There's hope. Yeah. Within a scary story. Yes. Just saying oh, if you tell the monsters under your bed to fuck off. Yeah, they will. Yeah. It could also be like, if you do a favor for him, then he'll, he won't. Yeah. If you slip in some sweets, maybe he'll protect you instead. Yeah. And it would be like, if you do him a favor, he won't harm your family. It's, I dunno, it's just something to ponder on. Yeah. There's lots of, fan fix and stuff about him. I think there's there's lots of different alterations of the story. Also I've put here as well that around this time things, the world's trending with things like the ice bucket challenge, the Illuminati planking. Yeah. And think about how that literally took over the entire world. Yeah. Or like when kids were, I think this is a bit later, but kids are like, were like eating tide pods. Yeah. Yeah. And stuff as well. Yeah. And like when I was at school, we used to do the fucking salt and ice challenge, which was putting salt on your arm Yeah. And then putting ice on top of it and it would fucking burn you. Yeah. It's so bad. And doing the deodorant, Yeah. Or like playing a, b, c where you've just got a coin and you just do A, B, c, D on your arm for it's all fucking self-harm. It was so ridiculous. Or the American dream one where you put yourself to sleep. Yes. Which is something I did. Yeah. I used to do that. Yeah. It was wild. Absolutely insane. All the boys would be like at the park after school, just like fainting. Yeah. That's exact same one kid in my science class and fell off those really tall stools and hit his head and it was just the norms to just make yourself pass out in school. It's like absolutely. Wild kids are fucking dumb. Yeah. And like pop culture references crazy, but if the ones that, if planking, if like your grand's planking in Asda Yeah. Then think about what's going on in the dark side of these. Yeah. What else is out there? How many tricks the people are getting into. Yeah. Literally. So yeah, there's just memes and viral trends everywhere and the internet is a fucking crazy place then. It's a cesspit. Yeah. And it is now. So yes. Back to the statements in the interviews. So meanwhile Peyton is in hospital, but she is doing okay and it looks like she's going to be okay. Obviously it's still really bad. I can't imagine surviving 19 stab wounds. No, literally. That's so insane to me. And I say, okay, but like the trauma of that. Yeah. That's just not something you'll ever let go, you'd never trust a person again. Which completely fair. Yeah. But that's a bit of light that she Yeah. Seems to be, yeah. I think she's going through like extensive major surgery. Yeah. But it looks like she's, but she's gonna be okay. Yeah. So the interviews, we'll start with Anissa. She's a little bit more upset. I use yeah. Ation marks for this. She seems a bit like the fucking pursuer of it though. Yeah. She feels like she, it feels if she wasn't so fucking forthright, Morgan maybe would've scared herself out of doing it. Yeah. It's really, I think it's really interesting going into it because Morgan is the one that like took the knife that kind of will go onto it a bit more, but she's hatched more of a plan of the plan. Yeah, I know. She's the one that's seen as the leader. Yeah. Isn't she? But Anissa we'll go into it as well. She is the one who actually showed Morgan the creepy pastors when they first became friends, and she introduced Morgan to Slender Man. Okay. She was there first. Yeah. And it was like her obsession, she'd fallen down that rabbit hole. Yes. She didn't have any other friends as well before she met Morgan. So her internet life was like her, everything. That's it. Yeah. But, Anissa is like really helpful, I guess is the wrong word, but like in the interview, she's, she gives out so much information, whereas Morgan is a lot more oh, I'm so creepy. Yeah. I wonder if she doesn't understand by the sounds of it, she doesn't understand more that. She's in trouble. Oh. And therefore, yeah. And therefore her reaction is to be like, if I just help as much as I possibly can. Yeah. Later she says something, maybe it gets easier for me. Insanely like spot on to what you've just said because I can't remember what it's right now, so we'll get to it. But she says something that's literally just so like nonchalant oh, slay, like we can just go back to normal now. Basically. Yeah. Something that really shows that she has not got an understanding of how serious what she's done is. Yeah. And I think Morgan is being very much like I'm in a, I'm under his control and like it's all full. She's mentally ill. Yes. Yeah. It's all for the greater good and all of this stuff. Whereas Anissa is so we started off with this she gives away, people aren't even asking her stuff. It sounds like Anissa's a kid. Yeah. And is, has done something childish and not really understanding the repercussions Yeah. Of what she's done, but understands that she is in trouble. Yes. And it sounds that Morgan is. Fucking away with the fairies and is just not so Yeah. Not so right in the head. Yes, that is. But basically, that's exactly what I think as well. Yeah. So she, yeah, she's a little bit more upset or whatever. She's says that she's the one that has told Morgan showed Morgan the creepy pastors and Morgan. She says that Morgan actually said to her that she thinks she'd seen Slender Man before when she was around five years old, which I don't think slender existed. Oh, reckon you did. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he did. Yeah. So she was just like, oh my God, no way. I've seen this guy before. He's come to visit me, or whatever. And I think that added to the believable aspect of Slenderman being a thing. Yeah.'cause Anissa was already like, oh my God, how scary this thing. And then Morgan was like, oh my God, I saw that when I was a kid Morgan said that Anissa was the one who had told Morgan that Bella had been chosen for the task at hand. Yeah. So they're both landing each other in the ship, but I think both of them like just didn't really think they were gonna get caught and no. They didn't have time to premeditate any kind of response to what the police might say. Yeah. I think they genuinely were like, we will be saved. Yeah. They just thought they were gonna get there and then just the rest is history. Yeah. Yeah. So she explains what Slenderman is to the person that's interviewing her and what you need to do to stop him from hurting your family. Basically she is saying that they are his proxies and so that he doesn't harm them or their families. They need to prove themselves to him by killing someone and then they can go and live with him in his mansion where he will protect them from like bad vibes like himself or other scary creatures. Okay. Because you've proved to be one like him. Yeah, I guess so. You are worried about other bad things and creatures like him, but you've got no concern about the fact that the toll to get into his house is murder. Yeah. It's I think as well, it's like they're scared of him. Yeah. But they also admire the fact that it, they can go and live in this fear free life with him. Yeah. I'm not being funny in this. This is why you've got no friends. Literally. No one would wanna, if you try and talk to her you get one fucking friend and you introduce them to Slenderman and then fucking however many weeks later you are murdering somebody. Literally. It is so crazy. Morgan is the one that tells the police they've been planning it for a while, which is also That's good. Why say that? Yeah. Just why? Because she's mentally ill. Yeah. Since December, which was five months ago. But Anissa is the one that kind of gives a bit more detail into this and says that they were actually gonna do it the night before at the sleepover. Then they were also gonna do it at the park and in the toilets. And she's the one who step by step is giving like a whole timeline of what they did on that day of the stabbing. She says in the interview that the reason she asked Peyton to go to sleep was because she'd read online. It's easier to kill people who are unconscious or asleep because it's easier if you don't look into their eyes. Where the fuck did you read that? I see again, internet cesspit. Yeah. Terrifying place. Cesspit. She also said then it's because you can't see yourself in their reflection, because that would be like killing yourself. What? Look just don't do it then. Yeah. If you feel like there's any element of it that might feel like you, would you do that to yourself? No. Oh, I might feel bad. Yeah. We can't have that during the murder. Yeah. Go to sleep, Peyton. And she is getting upset in these in this, in these tapes. But she's also saying things so matter of fact that it just doesn't seem, she doesn't seem to see how messed up what she's saying is this must have been so fucking jarring for the people investigating. Yeah. So having these conversations. I think a female, there's a female officer that's in the room, like taking information from Anisa and then there's a male in the one from Morgan and they they're obviously just making notes and trying to ask questions. I'm so gonna watch this. It is so worth it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a drama. Like there is, it is quite hard to watch as well because you're like, what the fuck are you chasing about? Yeah. I mean I do hate cases like this to be honest. Yeah. And it's really sad because they are kids. Yeah. And it's like you're exposing what's something that like, especially because one of both of them do need a lot of help, but like one of them specifically really need help. Really needed help. But it's just so fascinating as well at the same time. I was watching it and I was just like, this is unbelievable because the people have fallen for something like this. Yeah. That that all of us have been really exposed to. It was such a prominent part of childhood for us. Yeah. And that someone is else that is not real has made them do this. That's what's so fascinating about it. And they are quite respectful. Peyton, they don't really talk about Peyton in it at all. Oh. Which like I was at the start, like, why aren't they talking about her? But I think she just wants to just get on with her life, yeah. Whereas this is more about what was happening with them and the, also the way that it's, the court case was recorded and stuff, it's if they weren't gonna get charged, they weren't gonna record them. Yeah. So they were to an extent having some respect for their privacy. Okay. Yeah. Or their kids, they have to. Yeah. But the fact that obviously it was such a dramatic thing to happen, they were just like, we've gotta get, but the whole thing's recorded and it is sad to watch, but it's also absolutely fascinating to watch them. Yeah. You're literally like, what is happening right now? Like the nonchalantness is just like nothing I've ever seen. And they're literally kids. But maybe that's why, because they haven't got an understanding. I can't imagine what kind of adults you would've turned into, yeah. Yeah. We'll find out. Yeah. so anyway, she gives basically all the details. She's quite helpful. They search our iPad and there's YouTube videos of like animals killing other animals. One of them is titled How to Know If You're a Psychopath. Another One's How to Know If You're a Sociopath. And she comments on all of these videos and these ones, she's L lock me up. I got all the answers right. He, oh, fuck off. So pick me. Yeah. And there's loads of, obviously loads of Slender Man shit, like loads of YouTube videos and stuff, and loads of searches and like Tumblr boards of like drawings of him, like hugging children and taking them to the light or whatever. Yeah, so that's like a brief overview of how Anissa's interview went. Morgan, however, is a lot more eerie in hers. Like she's being a lot more creepy and she's giving less away. And she keeps saying Anissa told me it was Bella that had to sacrifice. She said, I hope this doesn't ruin anything. Did she die as if they were all gonna be Nate? Yeah. And what were you expecting her not to? You said you wanted a sacrifice. Yeah, and I think she said oh, what hap has happened to her, by the way, but it's like really late on and it's, the guy's I don't know. Yeah. What do you think? And she's oh, did she die? Did anyone find her? Like it's just Obviously you found her. Why the fuck do you think you're here? Yeah. But she's very we did it for Splenda man, Splenda ple, splendid man. Different kind of man. We did it for Splenda man to prove to him she confirms the previous planning and she remembers noting that there was a drain for the blood in the toilets of the park. So that's why the plan was to kill her there. Originally, they were just gonna kill her in her own, in Morgan's own basement and put the duvet over her and then just go up and start their day and then head out to the park without her and run off to the mansion and like just leave her. Ew. Yeah. Why didn't they, apparently they were too tired from the roller was king. Oh, holy fucking shit. Yeah. Holy fucking shit. Yeah, apparently they were just sleepy that night and they were like, oh, it's too much to kill now. So we'll just wait till the morning till we've had a good night's sleep. And then she also, Morgan said something like, I wanted to give her one last night. I wanted to give her one last morning or something like that. I was like, thanks. What the fuck? Yeah. She says that the plan was flawless and when a person, no, it wasn't. It was a fucking terrible plan. I know. Whichever one you choose, let's just put a duvet over her and get on with our day. I know. Also, it can't be flawless if you changed your mind three times. Don't get me wrong. It's actually quite smart that you thought to go to the toilets to where the drain is. Yeah. Or whatever. Still a terrible fucking plan. Yeah. It's also absolutely terrifying that at 12 years old you're thinking about where the blood would drain to when you stab your friend to death. But then they still change their mind three times, and then she's the plan is flawless. Look, but they were never gonna know it was you. Were they okay? When you two disappear, stupid, they find your fucking iPads. That's just constantly slender, man. How do I kill someone? Yeah. Literally. It is so wild. Yeah. She also says, when a person trusts you, they become very gullible. Fuck off. There's no need to also start ripping into Peyton for being trustworthy, soul, for being Oh, sorry. She trusted her friends. Yeah. How fucking dare she? That's fucking wild of her. I'll tell you what, she won't trust anyone ever again. You're talking about how like she walked off into the woods with some random person. Yeah. You like she was supposed to trust you honestly. You are the problem. Yeah, for sure. Morgan, later when she was having a psychic evaluation says that she can see ghosts. She has welcome mind control. No, you can't. No, don't. So even if she's fully arrested, it doesn't matter because she will feel free with her mind control. Yeah, sure. You whatever you need to say. Sorry, queen. I can't wait to talk to you from inside of Penn. Yeah. She also said that just before her trial, she's tired because Professor Snape kept her up all night talking to her. Somebody fucking medicate this child. This is literally, so I think the psychic evaluation, the psychic, the psychologist is yeah. Yeah. There's something going on a little bit here. She says that she can see unicorns. She says that obviously she's seen slenderman a lot. Is she schizophrenic? Yeah. Yeah. And his opinion is like her most important focus, quite an early age to present. Yes. So she told a police officer that she had first encountered Slenderman when she was just three years old and said that she literally saw him through these evaluations. The psychiatrist is she's got schizophrenia and she's diagnosed with it, and it's like early onset schizophrenia. And lots of people are like that. Obviously everyone that's involved, like the judge and stuff, like before the trial is like the flip, like that is, is it too, surely it's too early to say, but actually her dad. Also had early onset schizophrenia, schizo when he was younger, schizo and ended up getting it like medicated. And it was like he would he's in the documentary and he says he can still see things all the time and stuff, but he's allowed to deal with it. Yeah. He got help really young. Yeah. And but they, her mom and dad never told her. Oh, jeez. Yeah. They just were like, she wasn't really telling them anything that was going on with her. Yeah. She didn't tell them that she could, thought she could see ghosts and, but there was then, I don't know. I'm not parents. I have no fucking clue. And it's not their fault, but did they never think that maybe they should like I think the plan was to. Tell her when she was old enough so that she could go and get it. Yeah. I don't think he was 12. Okay. So he young was ridiculously early, but it's like really rare to diagnose. I thought that, I was gonna say it presents quite heavily in your twenties. Yeah, it's, I think his was like, like teen, like 18 but not 12. Yeah. Not 12. And I think they were like, okay, that's probably fair. Yeah. The plan is to educate her about this, but we don't wanna tell her. And then her, in her prime time of developing think that she might have schizophrenia. Yeah. And that contribute. Yeah. So I ki I see it from both ways. Like I bet the parents were like, we really should checked, but at 12, like a lot of people were like, you can't diagnose that. But then they found out about her dad and the fact that obviously it can be hereditary, they were just like, okay, fair enough. Because there's no way that she would've known that as well. Like she genuinely was saying that she's seeing things. She wasn't just playing into it. Exactly. It wasn't like, oh, I know that dad sees the devil. So I see the devil like. It seemed it's difficult because at 12 years old you'd think that they were just making that up. Yeah. But I dunno, a 12-year-old smart enough to do that. I guess some, I used to up all sorts of stuff. I used to think that I had like mates that weren't my mates, like little fake mates, little what they called imaginary friends, get a diagnosed, but by 12, I'd let that shit go. Yeah. Whereas I think she was Yeah. As a kid, like imaginary friends and stuff, that was so super normal. Yeah. And I think her mom, and I guess how do you verge on, on schizophrenic? Yeah. Imaginary friends. Her mom was like, oh, she believed in Santa, so she was about 10 or 11 and she was like, what? Mom would tell their kid that Santa's not real. Yeah. Like I didn't wanna take that away from her. Like she lived in a bit of a dream world and had a really creative mind. But I thought that was good. Yeah. And I thought leaving her to develop in her own way was good. And I didn't realize that she actually was seeing, the reality is like most of the time, again, not the parents' fault most of the time. It would be good. That is good. Yeah, exactly. It just happens that she has early onset skits, do you know what I mean? Yeah. That she's presenting at a really early age. Yeah. That's really unfortunate for you guys, but like normally the wouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like she does say what? What mom would wanna take. Yeah. That freedom of thought away from a child. Yeah. But she was like, now when I think back to it, I'm like, yeah, but hindsight's 2020 and isn't it like Yeah. Like you, it's all clear as soon as you're past it. Yeah. I was confused why Santa would be sat in the room with us every day except for Christmas Eve. Yeah. I just think because of how young she was, they, and I don't think she was telling her parents much. I think she just got an iPad and was like, bye. Yeah. And yeah, they just didn't know. Yeah, basically. Yeah, it is a complicated one because in one sense it's like. I think she'd shown like a dad drawing of slenderman or whatever. But also parents didn't know what that shit was like. Also, it's the internet. Like she can be telling you about Slander Man and stuff, and like saying, these are things that I've seen on the internet, but you wouldn't necessarily equate that to Oh, okay. So she's fucking hallucinating Slender man. Yeah. So she's gonna go and stab her friend next week. You don't, you do not. Yeah, I don't. It's a fucking, but he's an, to get, she'd shown him a drawing that she'd drawn of Jack Skelton and Slenderman, like next to each other. I for sure would've drawn some shit like that when I, yeah. That's what, do you know, when I was watching it, I was like, that's not an abnormal thing to draw. No. Also, one of them, he was like, oh, I recognize one character. So I just thought the other one was some other character from something else. Kini. Yeah. Like we've, I didn't think anything that, that he was. A really creepy character. Weird internet law. Yeah. That she was in a dark place on the internet. Yeah. She thought she was just drawing some fictional, like fun characters. So this would really make sense into her believing that those things were real. Yeah. And even if she's maybe in the interview dramatizing the fact that she can see people she still believed Slender mom was real. Yeah. She still, and she still never thought she would get caught because she thought she was gonna be saved by him. So there has to be mental illness thatwhere. That's still not, I, that's not a, even for a child, that's still not a normal school of thought. Yeah, exactly. So they search a room, they find loads of drawings and notes about him of like him hugging her, but then also like bad drawings of him saying he will get you and stuff. And so it's like he is scary, but also he's. A saving grace to her as well. I don't really know. It's like tons of slenderman propaganda. Yeah. Literally. And I feel like they must have started going for our stuff and been like, fuck yeah. Jesus, this is actually terrifying. The, but yeah, speaking of though, the doc is beware. The Slenderman is a HBO documentary and it's on now tv. That's how I watched it. But I would watch it'cause it, there's a lot of, and it's only two hours, I think it's like lots of episodes. Hello. It's Thomas making chili. Yes. Delicious. Smashing the chili. So in the meantime, Peyton is fine. She went through extensive surgery to repair her heart, her liver, her stomach, her pancreas. And she's left with over, over 25 physical scars in the future and obviously trauma. Wow. So she is awake and she gives her turn of events and then someone in the trial speaks on her behalf.'cause obviously she's poorly. Yeah. And like I said earlier, they don't release the video identities of anyone until. The sentence has been determined anyway. So I think they were just like, no matter what the sentence, let's just leave her out. It's just, yeah. Need to go see. She's been through enough. Yeah. When Anissa finds out that Peyton is okay, she says, oh, can I go back to school then? No, you don't get to try to kill somebody. Yeah. And when you don't kill somebody, you get to just, yeah. But again, she's a kid. That's kids. And this is what I said earlier, I couldn't remember exactly what she said. Yeah. That feeds into the theory of her childlike mentality. Yeah. Is her being like, oh yeah, I stabbed her. But it was for same kids understand that murder's bad and that you'll get in trouble for it. They don't understand what trouble means. Kids don't know that there are degrees of murder. Yeah, exactly. That there's manslaughter and that the second degree, you might be the one that's attempted. Yeah. But you might not have been the one that stabbed her and she might not have died. Yeah. But you have still committed a crime because intent was to kill. But you're a kid so you don't know that. But she's a kid and that really shows that Morgan is, it's a really poor mental health situation. And Anissa saying she's childish, but it's childish. Yeah. Like it's her not understanding, like the way that she's yeah, I'll tell you everything you need to know. It's oh, she's the star of the show for a minute. And she just is like thinking she's being helpful even though none of this would've happened if it wasn't for them. Yeah. Peyton says that she'd been feeling pushed out of the friendship group for a while. She said that she knew about Slenderman and that the other two girls were really into his story, but she just wasn't into it. She didn't like it as it was scary. And she also said it was just dumb. So she pushed out. She was pushed out naturally because of that. That's a fucking smart kiss, isn't it? She's a That's a smart kid. She's a weed. Yeah, you're right Peyton. It is fucking dumb. Yeah. She is an actual queen. I love her. Yeah. But she was just like, yeah, no, it's creepy. I don't like it. Yeah. I don't believe it. Like even if she did believe it, maybe she was like, I don't want those bad vibes. Yeah. On my doorstep. And it's such a shame that then because the other two girls were bonding over it and she wasn't also You ain't fucking telling me that she was the chosen one. Yeah. By Slenderman when you were already pushing her out. Yeah. Because she didn't wanna be in your creepy clique. Don't lie. Yeah. Don't fucking lie. So annoying. Annoying. She was just proximity. Yeah, exactly. They would. So then also she said that the other two were becoming more mean. Yeah. And they were obviously always talking about creepy things and she didn't like it, so she was getting left out of stuff, but also she was I still don't wanna get involved. I'm not just gonna succumb to this because you are bullying me. But they would send her links to scary stuff, click bait or like chain mail. Yeah. And those videos that would be like, you're gonna die if you don't send this on and stuff. Yeah. And they'd, she, they'd send her loads of Slenderman links. They would also meet in private without her. And Peyton also said that on the morning of her stabbing, when she woke up, Morgan and Anissa had already gone to the basement and they were discussing something without her. But she said they just did that a lot. And what they were actually discussing was the plan to fucking go and stab her. She'd also said that the night before Morgan had kicked her in the head while she was asleep. But I don't know if that's to check if she'd wake up, because obviously the whole unconscious. Conversation'cause they were planning on doing it that night as well. So oh my god. Yeah so it is premeditated like they might, I fucking hate these two girls. Yeah, they are such, I get that you are mentally ill. I really do. And I get that you've bought into something that's not real, but fuck you both. I know, but it's just bullying. Like it's so unbelievable. And also both of you have had that done to, you have that. Yeah. How fucking dare you. Yeah. It's so unbelievably infuriating that like Morgan is the reason that they've all hung out together. Then Morgan is leaving out Peyton, who the fuck do you think you are? Also, the way that they met in kindergarten is Peyton went over to Morgan because she was alone on the bench and said, come and be my friend. Like Peyton has been a queen since day one. Yeah. Okay. You do not deserve her friendship. No. Even slide day and then miss her. That was the first ever friendship group that she, if it's the first ever friendship group that she's ever had, and Morgan is being like, I believe in Slenderman. And you are like, someone is connecting with me about some this rabbit hole that I've been going down and I'm alone. I can't remember whose podcast it was, but someone said I think maybe it was morbid. I listened to it ages ago.'cause I was gonna do this ages ago and then I didn't. I think they said if this was a group of eight girls, it might not have happened. Yeah. Because you can all go off in your own little groups. Yeah. And like you all Yeah. Connect with each other and up, but the fact that it was such a close knit group Yeah. And the fact that there was just two of you spiraling away each. Now I think a group of three is really difficult. When you are kids. Yeah. Someone's getting out. Oh, once you get older, groups of three make the most sense. Yeah, a hundred percent. But like when you, yeah, when you're younger, like actually there is somewhat safety in numbers. Yeah. Because there does tend to be especially two cliquey girls in every group that are like to tight, type tight. Yeah. If you are a third, you'll feel very out the loop. Yeah. Whereas if there's more of you actually, it's just not Also, if there's eight of you and you're all running around and screaming and shouting at sleepovers and everyone's, talking about different things, you have more people to influence you in a good way. And everyone just probably wants to talk about all the same stuff, the gossip and whatever. Not to get you in your little own bubble. Yeah. But when it's only two of you and you have a connect, which is something that's so messed up on the internet, you're just spiraling together and no one's. The fact that Peyton could have been like, oh, let me in on this. And then been like, but let's do something. She was just like, oh no, this is weird. And the other two were like, fine, fuck you, then we don't need you. Yeah. We've got Slender man. You haven't. No you haven't because did he come and get you? Yeah. No, you are on your fucking own now. Yes. So Morgan had actually been getting into lots of trouble at school. She would apparently throw bugs at people and also bought a hammer into school one day. So it was going downhill. And Peyton was, the more you talk about Morgan, the more I'm struggling to see how her parents Yeah. That not the bugs. That's like bringing a hammer into school. Yeah. I don't really, I didn't, I don't know where I got that part from. Yeah. I think that must've been in the dog, but I don't think her parents like said much about that. Really? Yeah. Like I think they were just, I don't know. She was definitely acting out. Yeah. But also, I guess it's hard because she's a kid. She's a teenager. Yeah. Like I was a piece shit, but a hammer to my mom in school. Yeah that's that's a different element. To be fair, one lesson, I skipped a lesson and got drunk in the park and came back and did my other lesson. Yeah. That's such a normal thing for a kid to do a weapon in school. Yeah. A weapon unhinged, but what are you planning to do with that? Yeah. That is weird. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not even it's like a pocket knife that's for other things. Yeah. Because she put a flas flak the vodka into school, I'd be like, yeah, fine. Yeah. That would just be like, because that's just cheeky kids being like typical growing up or like she'd started smoking. I'd be like, yeah, fine. That's not that weird bringing a hammer into school. Very fucking weird. Yeah. Fair. I told my P teacher to fuck off once. Yeah. I called my last teacher in months. Was he? I probably, they usually joking. Yeah. I, yeah. So she was being like, she was acting out and I think Peyton was like, I'm not interested in this. And then I literally put her, she was the chosen one, my fucking ass. Yeah. She's basically been like, I don't wanna hang out with you two. All you doing you're fucking weird. You weird shit. And it's creepy. And you're making me uncomfortable and you're leaving me out. Yeah. And you're fucking kicking me in the head while I'm asleep. Yeah. Stop. Stop taking the, am I a psychopath quiz? Yeah. And let's just talk about boys and put lip gloss on. Yeah. No, fuck off. Fuck off. Yeah. So I think she was just not interested. Yeah. She gives her account of the attack, which is how I got the most accurate events that I told you at the, because it was basically all three of their accounts with Peyton what she can and can't get a hold of remember? Yeah. Being exactly right. And then Anissa basically just being like, let me tell you exactly what I did step by step. And then Morgan being like ominous, but also giving a lot about the reasonings behind it being for man. Yeah. So they were all quite open about the whole thing. So the judge for this case felt that if the two girls were tried in juvenile court, they wouldn't get that much time in prison, as they clearly didn't have any remorse, any understanding of how bad what they'd done was. And they still posed a threat. For sure. There was also so much evidence seeing as they'd confessed and the victim had survived and record the attack and it had been premeditated. Yeah. And they'd both admitted that they'd planned this for six months, so they were put to big boy adult court for an intentional horror homicide. Good. Yeah. Both girls were on trial for attempted first degree murder in 2017. I think it's 2017. I dunno. Whatever I think, but yeah, clearly I was meant to check back on that. This is when Morgan officially gets diagnosed with early on onsite schizophrenia. Which due to her dad being diagnosed young was admissible in court. Yeah. Because yeah. Otherwise they would be like, she's 12. You can't tell me that. That's the thing. Yeah. But they were like, it's hereditary mate. Yeah. He had it young. She's got it even younger. Like we can't argue with that. And because of how peculiar, let's say this case is, I think they were like, yes, schizophrenia would chat. Yeah. Would make sense. Yeah. So that, that wouldn't be fully challenged. By the prosecution, Morgan took a plea deal and pleaded guilty. She got a 40 year sentence for this. Anissa also took a plea deal and she pleaded guilty to second degree intentional homicide as she didn't actually do the stabbing. Yeah. And she was found not guilty by reason of mental illness and was sentenced to 25 years Anissa. Interesting. So I think they were like. I think, I don't know because Morgan actually did the stabbing. Or basically we'll go on to find out where the 40 year sentence for Morgan is. Yeah. Which I think I'll literally talk about in one second. Oh yeah, I will. But they were sent to a state institution Yeah. Instead of a prison. So basically I think the court were like, both of you have a mental illness. Yeah. You actually stabbed her. So you get 40 years you didn't, so you still get 25 years, but both of you're gonna be going to interstate institution instead of a prison because you are literally 12. Yeah. But both of you need some serious work done, but you deserve to do some serious time. Yeah. And to have some work on the mind, in Morgan's where Morgan went, she had her own cell with a little TV in it. And apparently her dad, every time he would call her, would ask what she's gonna watch on TV that night. And she'd say, it depends whose turn it's to choose, which means that. The voices in the head. The voices, oh my gosh. In the room with her. Yeah. Jesus.'Cause he was like, oh, she'd say it depends whose turn it is to choose. And I was like, what a fucking boring thing to say. Wow. You're just in an institution mate. That's boring. And then he was like, but she was in the cell by herself. And I was like, oh damn. Oh damn. Yeah. Snape is we're not watching shit again. Shit unwell. Yeah. So basically she had a lot of voices and a lot of people that, that weren't there in there with her, which must have been absolutely exhausting to be honest. But she's been getting she was getting a lot of help. For her mental illness whilst inside, apparently during an's sentence, she would have good days and bad days. Apparently she's really intelligent, which you can tell in that interview. Yeah. Because even though it's childlike, she's, she would be like, we were gonna be proxies for Slender Man, and basically a proxy is where da dah, and obviously I'm like, shut up. No one ass. But but she's educating You can be childish and smart. Yeah. It's a maturity thing. It's not an intelligence thing, I feel. Yeah. I think they're still doing like little exams and stuff just to build their intelligence because obviously they are leaving school and stuff because of this. Also I think that sometimes intelligence doesn't go hand in hand with social Yeah. Intelligence. Yeah. And intelligence is great, but if you have an in capability to like socially connect Yeah. With your peers. Yeah. That is part of what contributes to you doing what you've done. This is like the Unabomber, isn't it? Yeah. Like he was incredibly smart, but he had no social skills. Yeah. And socially he was not smart at all, which actually left him alone to his own devices. Yeah. But also it meant that he couldn't interact with people and he was actually just fucking stroppy and it made it an incel. Yeah, exactly. And no one wanted to hang out with him because he'd just be too much all the time. Yeah. And he could, so I guess like they found each other and they both shared a connection even though it was something really fucked up. But, when I was a kid I'd relate to people in the weirdest way. It's if two people have been severely bullied Yeah. They can connect that way, like they've just found a common interest and it's probably a saving grace in all the mayhem, even though you have to prove yourself to him. Yeah. But they both clearly were just socially Yeah, men, the mental illness from a social aspect, not ideal. She would, so she'd be really smart. And she does loads of tests and she does'em really well and stuff. And then other days she just has a massive breakdowns and apparently she needs to be in straight jackets and on suicide watch. Geez. Yeah, just randomly. So obviously her mental illness is not her mental health is not good either. Yeah. In 2020, Morgan appealed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court and her lawyers were like, she's an adult now, so it's not fair to keep her in here, but it got declined. I hate that. I know, I, it just means nothing does it? Yeah. What you mean fair? It's not fair. Do you know it wasn't fair getting stabbed 19 times. Yeah. And you might have been 12 and you might be an adult now, but you have to deal with what you've done. Yeah. Unfortunately you did do that. And like it doesn't matter if you're an adult now, you still did it. Yeah, exactly. Peyton is slaying. She's obviously had lots of trauma apparently, which is not slaying, but she's okay now. But apparently she slept with a pair of broken scissors under her pillow for years. Aw. Yeah, because she was obviously having a really bad time, but her parents looked after her and she had loads of help and stuff, and now she's doing great. She actually said that the experience gave her a clear plan for life, and she said without the whole situation, I wouldn't be who I am. Oh yeah. A positive little spin. I know she even said that she would thank Morgan if she ever saw her again, as she's had an amazing chance at life after what happened. But she does not wanna speak to the girls ever again. Good, fair. She said she felt really bad for Morgan's mom and she said, quote, Morgan's schizophrenic. How the fuck do you have that much empathy? Obviously she is unreal. That's unreal. Unreal. She's unreal. Yeah. So she said, quote, Morgan's schizophrenic. There is nothing that she could have done to stop or control that. It was not her fault. Oh my God. I know. 19 fucking times she friend stabbed you and you're still saying, oh my God, I feel so bad for our mom. You were 12. I know. I love her. You were 12 or 11 actually. Because it was Morgan's 12th birthday, wasn't it? Yeah. Holy fuck. Wow. This was actually probably due to her finding out through online that Morgan's parents were getting calls and letters about the situation, saying that they were bad parents and Morgan should go to hell and stuff like that. Yeah. I don't get people who take time outta their day to do that. Fuck off. Yeah. Honestly, you think that makes you better than someone because you are harassing them. Do you not think that They don't all really feel an mad amount of guilt on their own, for what's happened. Yeah. Because it's their daughter. Yeah. They've lost their kids to institution. Yeah. They've lost their kids. They'll constantly say, why didn't we see it? Why couldn't we, why couldn't we do something about it? Yeah. I just think like you, you don't need to add to it. Yeah. You just don't need to. Whatever you believe, you don't need to. Yeah. Pile it on and it's like really hard because the parents are like, but she was 12. She's got schizophrenia now. Like they're working out what happened to her. Yeah. She must have been absolutely petrified in her own mind. Yeah, of course. You're not saying it's fine. Anyway, they're both just like super upset and they're just saying the, I've lost my kid as well. Yeah. And yeah. We're not saying it's fine, but they didn't know any better. Yeah. Which is difficult. It's not like this fucking situation is easy for them. Yeah. And they're like, how scary must it have been to be a kid that really believed in this big boogeyman Yeah. That was gonna come and get them. And I understand not everyone that believes in monsters under your bed stabs their friends. Yeah. With intent to kill. So you do have to go away for a while. But her parents are like, they're like, maybe if we just done this. Like maybe if we just done that. Yeah. And he was like, I, I got, we gave her an iPad, but we tell her that when she was sat in our room, she had to have the door open and stuff. And we'd monitor what she was looking at, but it was usually just like Tumblr threads and like funny YouTube videos and and then I think Morgan's mom is like, when I look back on it, there was a few things that were really questionable that she was in her manner, in her behavior. Yeah. Not in just the way that she would say that things were real, that it was like, how do you not know that's not real? And then obviously the way that she was acting out and stuff. But, the, and Alyssa's dad was like, aside from sitting in her room and watching at every move, there's not much more I could have done. And then I've got people calling me, telling me I was a bad dad. Oh. I just, it's ridiculous. The reality is you can't control everything. Yeah. Just can't, aren't too scared to have a kid, my friend. Yeah. Because what are they exposed to? What do they have to be exposed to, but also what will they turn out? What will they do? I can't control everything someone does. Yeah. You have to let them be free and be themselves, but also that's terrifying because there's so much shit in the world. What if they are exposed to that and or what if they do something bad, or what if something bad happens to them? It's just, I can't, yeah. I literally can't. Yeah. It's just, it's too much to comprehend. And yeah. Looking at all these parents like, but yeah, everyone loves to say, if I was in that position, this is what I've done. Yeah. You fuck off. Even the parents fuck off. If I could go back. Yeah, of course. What would I have done? What would I have done, until Morgan was assessed. And was saying all of these other things and they found out about Slenderman. It took her doing something really bad for them to even notice that she was seeing these things. Anyway, who's to say she would've told anyone. Yeah. There's just nothing different really. And we could talk about it forever, but yeah. Peyton just being like, it's not their fault. Love everyone. Yeah. And literally insane. Crazy. There has been an update on this case, hence why I'm doing it now. Also I read somewhere that I think it's Morgan actually was going by he slash him. Oh, okay. But I couldn't find so, so basically the reason why I've gone with she and gone with Morgan for this is because Morgan hasn't confirmed this at all. Okay. It was just, there was loads of rumors. It's about it and stuff and Morgan hasn't confirmed that's true. There was and I don't know what the name Yeah. That was chosen was or anything. I just found a few articles that said that during, so basically you're not intentionally dead. Yes. Dead naming them? No, like just, I just found a few articles that said whilst Morgan was in the institute, they went by he slash him pronouns. Yeah. But then also there was other articles that said there's no proof of this and Morgan hasn't come out and said that. Then you can only go by what? Yeah, they changed gender. So I just was like, for this, I'm just going with the facts. I'm going with Morgan. As a she. Yeah. Like I, it could, I'm so sorry if that is wrong. Yeah. But even when I was looking at updated articles about this, it was still saying Morgan Weir, however old female. Yeah. I just, yeah. I debated it for a while because, but I just couldn't even find the name of Yeah. I just don't think there's, yeah. And I dunno if it's true. I don't know what, maybe it was just something that was a rumor. Or maybe there is some truth to it somewhere. I don't know. But I couldn't find anything about it, so I just went with what I know. So Anissa Weir, actually I said Morgan Weir, so I mixed up the Oh yeah. Surname is the other around. Anyway Anissa Weir actually served time until 2021, but she was ruled as no longer a substantial risk to herself or others. So basically she, so in September, 2021, she was granted a conditional release and it was under the conditions that she lives with her father and she has round the clock GPS monitoring and supervision until she turned 37. Good. But in 2023, a judge removed the GPS stipulation. Great. To give Anissa a chance at rebuilding her life. As she was following the rules, which I then put, I think, give me the maths because I wrote this really quickly, would make her 21. When the GPS was removed. Was removed. Yeah. So she's out there living her life. Wow. Yeah. With her dad as well. So it's not even like her identity's hidden. I hope she's moved. Yeah. I hope she doesn't live anywhere near. Peyton. Yeah. I definitely change my name. I don't think she'd be able to No. If I'm completely honest. Yeah. I get it. She was a kid. I still think what she did, what she contributed to was terribly fucking brutal. Yeah. And, I, Peyton survived, but that was through no action of theirs. Yeah. And I feel that also that's just, that's so light. That's so light. The fact as well that they plan to do it two times prior. Yeah. And then they backed out means that they have a conscious understanding that it's bad what they're doing. It's bad. I still feel that she did a lot of talking Morgan into it. Yeah, of course. I think the both of them were spiraling together. I don't, yeah. I don't necessarily think anyone is more to blame. I know that Morgan did it. But they were passing the knife back and forth like nobody's business. Yeah. I feel and Vanessa knew what she was doing and I just think Anissa was determined to not be the one to do it. I think she was smart enough to know that she shouldn't be the one to do it. Yeah, exactly. And Morgan was, which to me is more horrifying. Yeah. And because Morgan I'm not saying it's excuse, but because Morgan has schizophrenia as that quote unquote excuse of I think, and Issa was just smart enough. Yeah. Say to know, to guide things into happening how they happen. But both of them knew it was wrong because they almost did it the night before and the morning of, and then one of them freaked out and then the other one freaked out and they're passing the knife back and forth. You know that stabbing someone to death is wrong. Yeah.'cause otherwise you wouldn't. Think like that. You didn't think, oh, I don't wanna do it. Yeah. And that's what scares me the most is that knows, obviously they both know. Yeah. But Anissa knows enough to know that she shouldn't be the one that's doing it. Yeah, a hundred percent. So Morgan's appeal got declined in 2020, but then her team kept trying Morgan petitioned for a release four times from 2022. She withdrew the first two herself, and the third was rejected in 2024, saying she was still a threat to public. To the public. But in January, 2025, they granted her a conditional release. Yeah. This is what I saw. So within the year, they've been like, oh yeah. She's not a threat to public anymore. Yeah. Which is an interesting vibe, they're both medicated. Yeah. I'm assuming they've come a long way. I won't deny. Yeah. Apparently Morgan had maximized treatment options over the past six months, and if she wasn't, this is the argument is that if she wasn't reintroduced to society, she could relapse by staying in the facility for longer. The longer they left it, the harder it would be for her to reintegrate into society. Yeah, I do get that. Yeah. So I get it because obviously if you keep her there, even though she's feeling of sound mind, then there's no reason for her to not just go back into, and also, it can't be the most positive environment for somebody who struggles with their mental health. You should always be trying to move forward if you're trying to improve your mental health. And I guess going back out into the real world, even if you're being closely monitored, that's a step to see if it's something that you are ready for. And I guess, yeah, if they keep her in there for ages, which doesn't need to be, then she's got no hope. Yeah. So I do get it, but it's also like in 2024, she was still a threat to the public, but in January of 2025, they're like, oh. Conditional release. Yeah. That is wild. She was signed off by three separate psychologists and she was released in July this year to a group home, and it seemed to be going okay, but on November 22nd, so last month, Morgan G's ankle monitor. Literally a month. Yeah. Her ankle monitor sparked a search for her as she had cut it off and ran away. The police found her quite quickly, I think a truck stop, I think maybe like the next morning or something. She went in when she's 12. She's got no fucking resources. She had no idea how to run away. She broke. Yeah. She's been out for four months and she's I'm gonna, that is the equivalent of me running to the bus stop. Yeah. God can only hope she's not going to the mansion. Yeah. The police found her at a truck stop in Illinois with a 42-year-old man who remains unidentified. Morgan gave a false identity at the start, but then she tells the police to search her real name as she had done something really bad. In the past he was the guy she was with charged with criminal trespassing and obstructing identification, but was later released. She was arrested again and she waives extradition rights. So she agrees to be transferred back to Wisconsin to away criminal charges. I also think going back to the mental institute was declined because she had been signed off as fit to reenter society. So now she has to face criminal charges as a criminal instead of pleading insanity again, if that makes sense. Yeah, I get you. Because also it's not like she's had an episode. It's like she's just ran away. She's just been like, fuck this, fuck the rules. And I think they're like, no, you can't plead, you can't use your schizophrenia because we signed you off because you were fit enough to leave. So therefore yeah, you're you know what you did. Yeah. You have to face the consequences. I couldn't find loads about the trial, but I think they're currently moving her back to Wisconsin right now, and the trial is in February because I found something from four days ago saying that the extradition so she's in prison. Yeah. And then her trial, I think is in February, but correct me if I'm wrong, at this point, I had read millions of articles about what they were all up to. If you're in the middle of it, it's it, everyone says something a little bit different because it's happening right now and there's no and there's no back on it. No. It's like I was gonna do Rob Reer. Yes. Because obviously that's just happened, but we might wanna wait and see what comes out. But there will be so much that comes out. Yeah. So we were like, actually let's not, but not, let's not hold off too long. Yeah. A little bit. We miss, we'll, we will wait a bit to see what happens. Although there are some very. Like interesting details that have already emerged about what they were up to the night of the murder, obviously as well. Like you just want to be factually correct and obviously solved very quickly because they know who did it. Yeah, exactly. But there might just be some more tea under the rug that you haven't found. Yeah. A little twist. Yeah, a little twisted turn. Yeah, I watched loads of YouTube videos about this, but I basically at this point was like, I don't think the trials happened. Yeah. So I'm, I think it's in Feb. I don't know. So that's what's going on with Morgan. And finally Peyton is fine and she's actually started college to go into the medical field and pursue that career. And obviously because the girls are slash were out. And have her and her family have support and protection from the police at all times. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Like obviously I don't think they're like chaperoning her around everyone. No. But they're basically just regularly checking. Yeah. And keeping an eye on everyone. And Issa's obviously been left to do her own thing because she has was with her dad, but I think her dad was well behaved. I guess her brain's not fully formed'cause she's not 25 yet, but her brain will have formed Yeah, far more than when she was 12. So you can only hope that she is medicated and has the support network around her to keep her out of also, like their parents are in the dock. And they're both saying that they understand that it was really bad what these girls did, but also they're just kids and eventually they deserve a second child sounds high. So I think if, if Vanessa was doing anything sus, I'm gonna say something really controversial, I actually dunno if I agree with that. Yeah I know that people say that there's. You made one mistake, it shouldn't ruin your whole life. I disagree. A mistake is subjective. Yeah. But stabbing your friend 19 times. Yeah. Because of a fictional character. Yeah. I think there's, I think there's some things that you can't come back from. Them being 12 is so complicated because I can't remember being 12. What I was thinking and doing. Yeah. I remember things that happened, but I don't remember like my conscious thoughts day to day. Yeah. And how I felt about the world and what I believed and didn't believe. That stabbing someone to death, and I'm not saying that they should keep them in prison. Like I, that's not really what I'm saying. I, what I'm saying is I don't think you're somebody who should ever be allowed to walk away from what you've done. What you've done. Yeah. Also, I think. You are allowed to not be forgiven. Yeah. You are allowed to not be given a second chance. If you've got one good but you shouldn't. It shouldn't be mandatory. It shouldn't be expected. Yeah. But because you were 12 years old. Yeah. Morgan. They've been like, oh, let's sign her off, because otherwise it's dangerous to her mental health and she's taking the piss immediately. Yeah. But they're saying, oh, because of her mental health. And it's like, why are we prioritizing her when she prioritized herself that, for that whole thing and almost cost a friend her life. Yeah. I think that is what I'm saying is that, you, I get it. It's you are not, you shouldn't be allowed. You shouldn't be, you shouldn't expect, yes. You shouldn't expect that. You just come out and people say she served her time, and that's fine. Yes you should expect that for the rest of your life. You are going to be reminded of what you did to her. I would hope that Anissa moving back in with her dad, like I would hope from her dad's perspective, that he's I'm so glad she gets this second chance. Absolutely. But if she fucking dares, I'll do her in myself. Exactly. Yeah. If she talks about going to see Peyton, if she starts talking about fucking Slender Man or whatever. If she starts acting, misbehaving, or spiraling away, I'm not putting another person at risk. That is where. You. Yeah. If you don't put a foot wrong Yeah. Then fair enough. It worked. And the justice system, if you get on with your life and you Yeah. Yeah. I dunno, I think that, I don't think rehabilitation's out the question'cause they're so young and their brains are still forming. I just think it's something that you Yeah. That you are never Yeah. You can't expect people to forgive you or to get over it or to never, I think that you should factor that into the rest of your life. Yeah. I think that's fair. And I think that is something you Yeah. You should expect. Yeah. And you shouldn't just expect an easy ride. You might get one. Yeah. But you shouldn't expect one. No. I think that's. I think that's fair enough. Like also the fact that before Morgan was really, she retracted her own Yeah. Two of her own plead. I don't doubt that. You won't feel bad. Hopefully you feel bad. Yeah. And there isn't some beating up that you do of yourself. And you are fucking so lucky. Yeah. That Peyton didn't die. Oh my god. Yeah. You're so lucky. Like the backing up, what you've just said is like how in 2020 when the lawyers say she's an adult now, so it's not fair. And it's what the fuck do you mean? What the fuck do you mean? It's not fair? It wasn't fair when Peyton was 12. Yeah, exactly. Like it doesn't matter who stabbed her, someone stabbed her and they should pay, like it doesn't matter that they were also under the belief Yeah. Of this higher source. If you were worried that a higher source was trying to make you stab someone, you tell a fucking adult. Yep. Like you have a, it's difficult with schizophrenia, but you do have a voice of reason. On the other side, because otherwise you wouldn't be coping day to day life. Yeah. You wouldn't be masking, no. You wouldn't be pretending to your mom and dad that you can't see these people. You have some level of understanding that it's not what other people see and know and what is what. Normal. A normal way to behave in society. Yeah. Otherwise, you'd just be talking to people left and center and you'd be stabbing people left and center. You knew enough to hide it from your parents. Yeah. You knew enough to change your mind three times because you were freaking out and panicking. You also knew enough to go to somewhere secluded. Yeah. Yeah. All of it is Yeah. There is, there's an argument. Premeditated. Part of it means that you are conscious because otherwise you'd be like, he's told me to stab someone. And then you just stab someone. Yeah. That's right in front of you. You wouldn't be like, oh, let's stab you haven't lost control. Who conveniently has told us that we're fucking losers. Yeah. And that she doesn't wanna hang out with us anymore because we are being dweebs about Yeah. And we love this fictional character. You can't tell me she was the chosen one, even though you were pushing her out of your circle. Yeah. But I love her. Peyton is queen. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking al. Like Al just, yeah. Fucking great. She's gonna do great things in the medical field. Yeah. From the get go, going up to the empathy on that kid is like ridiculous. Like from literally being stabbed 19 times and then being like, I trust. I trusted my friends. They have let me down. I'm going to find my own help. And then literally crawling and to a road and saving yourself. And then still being the absolute Yeah. Top gal that is a top geezer right there. Top-notch queen. Yeah. That's it. Was it's a whirlwind.'cause they're also young. It literally feels like they shouldn't be 12 with everything that they've been doing. Yeah. But it, it's just fucked, isn't it? And it's sad. It's sad for all of them in terms of that it's a shame that they couldn't, they didn't feel like that they could just speak to somebody about what was going on in their head. And get themselves some help. It feels like the, I feel like they thought they had each other though. Do you know? Yeah. Like they were each other's first reason. It feels like the perfect storm of those two girls coming together as well. I'm not sure one would've done it without the other one. No. I think they really fell into their own clique and their own little world and they probably thought that. They'd convinced themselves that it was real through each other. Yeah. And then they thought, you know what if, and, but they said something. Anissa said something in one of her interviews saying, I just wanted to prove the skeptics wrong about going About what? About going to the Mansion and Slender Man being real? And I was like, you didn't even make it, babe. Yeah. What the fuck are you talking about? I think as well, they thought that when, once they stabbed Peyton, like they wouldn't have to find their way to the mansion. Like it would all just become easy. And Lenner man would be like, you've proved yourself to me. Let's go. Also, how did they think that they knew exactly where the mansion was? Like, is there an address online? Yeah. So basically it said that it was in this forest. It was like just hearsay. And I was like, what in the fuck was it that it, that Slenderman is a worldwide phenomenon, is conveniently an hours drive away from where you live from. Yeah. But I think it was just a big forest in Wisconsin that didn't really have much in it. Like what? They don't know exactly where, like the coordinates of it. I think they were just gonna march on into the forest. But I genuinely think they were like, once we do this, he will save us. Just find us. Yeah. And it won't matter. Yeah. It's quite bleak. Fuck. And the, it just really puts into perspective that internet and what a dangerous place. It's a scary place. And obviously it's fucked place for kids now. I think there's, I hope that there's more sense censorship on the internet for kids Yeah. These days. But I'm not entirely sure that there is. I do know that it was fucking. The Wild West back in the day. Oh God. It was terrible. There was just so much shit everywhere. People getting chopped off shit. And like things going round of all sorts of porn and everything. It was an absolute horrifying way to grow up. Yeah. And I hope that it's better now. I know that there's still, but Iof, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not so sure about that. I know that there's just probably Yeah. Opened up a whole different can of worms. There's more and more precautions that are being put in place to try and stop that for younger generations there's more of an awareness about how dangerous the internet is, but that doesn't mean that you'll stop this kind of shit. Yeah. Happening. Yeah. But that's it. That's the whole bloody thing. Sorry. Yeah. That's quite bleak. Quite bleak. But yeah, the, no, that's fun. Watch the Doc, I think it's called Beware the Slenderman on it's a HBO thing. It's on now tv. I would watch it as. Quite fascinating if you wanna watch. It's basically just like their entire interviews and stuff. Yeah. It is sad and it is scary as fuck, but it is also really interesting to see how they both behave. Yeah. It's quite sad from the parent's perspective and stuff as well. And they leave Peyton out of it'cause she just wants to get on with her life, I think. Good. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it should be. Yeah. So thank you for listening. You know the drill. Yeah. 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