The Snowtown Murders

This week, we’re heading to a place where the horror didn’t come from the shadows, but from the people next door.

We’re talking about the Snowtown murders. A case that shocked Australia and revealed how manipulation, control, and cruelty can hide in plain sight. We’ll trace how a charismatic predator built a grip over vulnerable people, how fear and loyalty were weaponised, and how a string of disappearances led to one of the most disturbing discoveries in modern true crime.

This isn’t a story driven by sudden violence, but also influence and the terrifying ease with which ordinary lives can be pulled into something unthinkable. It’s uncomfortable, deeply sad, and hard to hear. 

So grab something warm, settle in, and join two girls who are still winging it and nervously laughing where we can, as we unpack a case that forces us to confront just how dangerous power can be when it goes unchecked, and why Snowtown still lingers in people’s minds today. 

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Just, oh, sorry. Did you catch us in the midst of our vocal exercises? We were just like, and I like, hello, welcome back. Hello. Hello. Hello. We're back. We literally were just saying that we feel like we have not done this in barking ages, literally, because we haven't done it in ages. It is the 12th of Jan. So you will be listening to this in two days? Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. Hopefully in theory, if we can get it done. And we haven't recorded since, like maybe before New Year's. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.'cause because we did who put better in the witch arm for New Year's. Yes. And then And the same day. Yeah. Yeah. That is so true, man. Yeah. New Year's, your birthday, it just feels like it's been a lifetime, but it's actually only been a couple weeks, but that's actually quite a long time for us to not record. Yeah. We I think we knew that Christmas was gonna throw us off, but because we got so much ready for it. Oh, hello. Oh, she froze then. We didn't like that. But then like after Christmas, I think we were both just let's just not talk for a while. Yeah. Except we saw each other the whole time. Yeah. But maybe we were just, I think we were both just slightly procrastinating because it had just been like, make sure all of that gets out on time and then we can just enjoy New Year's and Tanisha's birthday and all of that stuff. And then yeah. Then just after we were both like, have you researched anything? Yeah. No, I think we both were like, we had a much needed break. Yeah. Yeah. And like I do feel like I've had a break, even though it's obviously. But it's almost weird now to be sat here doing it again. Yeah, it is weird. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so welcome back or welcome, to Kill the Mood podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything. Spooky, Doy. Sorry if I sound ill. Oh yeah. Like a nasally person. Great. You actually sound better than you did earlier though. Yeah it comes in, it clears and then randomly I'll just sound really stuffy again. So who knows? I think it's when I start like yawning. And crying and crying. My eye just keeps leaking. Yes, there will be lots of true crying, but also just general mysteries. Some will be solved, some will leave you hanging. We are just two girls putting the worlds to rights, but not really. We just like yapping. I'd also like to add that we are not professionals, just two ladies who apparently like the son of their own voices, enough to record them and believe that you will too. We mean no offense in anything we say. We like a huge percentage of the world, find all of this unfathomable and this is just us in our own little way trying to make sense of the senseless. I try and do that different every time. Every time. Yeah. To be fair, it's quite long and then I think maybe one day we'll shorten it, but like just be. Welcome. Not professionals mean no offense. See you later. Sense of the sense this week's subject is, yeah. Anyway, without further ado, this week's subject is this week's subject is the Snowtown murder. Oh God, that's so exciting. It's actually, I dunno if you'll know it. No, I don't. I don't think you'll know it. And it's actually an Aussie case at first. Is that a first? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Sorry, I was just gonna do a really bad Australian accent and then I thought don't do it. Oh, the hypo bad. I keep trying to do Courtney act the drag queen. Oh yeah. But it is just not coming out my mouth. Okay. Good day mate. Jesus. Is that Courtney Act? My name's Courtney Act. Fuck, I was famous. Wow. Maybe let's not do that one again. Yeah. That was gonna stay out of that. I've just got it all out. All my stims are out now. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, so we were just saying that we're not gonna do too much babble at the beginning of this because I, my notes are fucking huge. They are. It's seven pages long, but I swear to God, this is not all the information and it will be a fucking miracle if me and you and Amy all know what's going on at the end. Yeah. Because I have never read something so confusing in my entire life. And as soon as I started doing it, I was like, fucking yes, I'm doing this. Yeah. No I'm gassed. I've got my pen and paper. I'm, yeah. If I get it, yeah, they'll get it. We're gonna be shooting back and forth. Yeah. We're gonna be introducing millions of people. Millions. Okay. The snow drop, no snow immediately forgot the name of the case. The Snowtown Murders. Murders. Okay. Also, I was terrible at writing my notes this time, so I finished them. Yeah. We're not professionals by no stretch of the imagining girls. Yeah. I tried to do my due diligence, but it was very difficult with this one. And also everything you read is different. Yeah, absolutely. Like the way people die is different. The what they did to them, even their fucking names. Like it is so confusing when there's a lot of death. It is really hard to find exact timelines for a lot of things anyway, as without it even being a chaotic case anyway. Yeah. If you're researching something where lots of people are dying, there's every single article I read about some cases I'm like, that says the complete opposite to the one that I've just read. I have wished that, like obviously I understand that there's some cases that can't, but like sometimes it's so hard to find like their statements.'cause like when I did Yorkshire Ripper, although I left quite a lot of information out of the Yorkshire Ripper and like even now because we've been doing it a little while. If I went back, I'd probably add so much more. Yeah. It would probably be a two-parter. But I like when we were doing that, like I found his statement because obviously it's such a massive case. Yeah. Like literally words from his mouth about what he'd done. Whereas the fucking, this one, like the, I don't talk about it actually'cause I remember taking it outta my notes'cause I thought, fuck it. I'm telling you too much. You don't need to know this. But anyway there's ba there's basically, essentially a gag order on this case. Okay. Which I think is why the, there was for a long time. So I think that this is why like all the information is quite disjointed. And it's really hard. I literally, I'm spoiler, there's multiple murderers. Multiple murderers, and. I swear to God one of the most important ones. It had two lines about who he was. Two lines. I know nothing about him. I couldn't find anything. I even found his murderpedia page, fucking nothing. Wow. Nothing about this man. Nothing about his childhood where I grew up. I found his birthday, but I left it out.'cause I thought there's no fucking point. Yeah. What good is that gonna be like, oh, he was born on this day, but we know nothing. Nothing. So essentially the only thing you will find out about this man is that he was a neighbor of another man. Okay, fine. That's fine. He's a murderer. So it is fine if we don't know all the dates. So we are gonna start on the 20th of May, 1999. We are going to South Australia to a little place called Snowtown. This is a very small town, essentially just a farm, just farming country. And basically it doesn't get much attention or tourism at all. So it is literally just, people basically drive through it, I think, and that is it. There is nothing taking people there. So obviously when this case comes out, it absolutely fucking blows Snowtown up. Yeah. So customers, everybody I don't know. I dunno if it blew it up in a good way. I don't think it was good. Yeah, they're like murder towns. Yeah. I think that is basically, essentially what everyone thinks about it now and it gets fucking wilder because where they store the body, like this whole fucking case is insane. Basically the police are brought to a house in Snowtown because basically there was an old missing person's case that they had reopened, which had led them to this house. So when they'd gone to this house, they'd gone there looking for John Bunting and Robert Wagner. Investigators had converged in Snowtown coming from Adelaide, which was basically the nearest city. And it was a couple of hours away. So it's not, it was just to show you like this is the middle of this is fucking, but fuck nowhere. Yeah. Like this. Nothing's near it. They had to bring, every officer that came for this came from Adelaide. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So fucking hell already. So they go to the, these, this house looking for these two men specifically and their truck. Wagner and Buckley and Bunting. Bunting. Okay. Like the fun bunting. Yeah. Got it. Think about it like that. So they go looking for Wagner and Bunting. She's frightening it down. Yeah. It's actually brilliant. She's got a notebook.'cause I was like, you might need it.'cause it's fucking insane. I'm terrified. I can't hold normal information. Also I did say you might have to you might see a connection that I haven't seen because I've read so many people's names, like I'm, oh yeah. So it's great that you're doing this. So they're looking for this the two men and the truck. But when they arrive, what they find is the truck that they were looking for. But a local man says to them, oh, basically John Bunting, who was driving the truck had actually bought six barrels with him in the bed of the truck. But the barrels weren't there, just the truck was Right. So he's, and John Bunting wasn't there, but carried six barrels somewhere else. So what the fuck, where are these barrels? Anyway he explained to officers that Bunting had said that he was going to store the barrels in the abandoned bank in the middle of town already. What the fuck do you mean? Why is the bank abandoned? It's it literally sounds like, it's come with me to the abandoned bank downstairs. You know this scene in the Scooby D movie where he is I've got a bag full of hamburgers out in the woods. Yeah. Why don't you come out here, you're all alone and see what he's like. Fucking sharp. Yeah. Why don't you come check down here in the abandoned, I'm luring you to the bank, the vault. Don't worry about the barrels that are in the bank. And how did they get in there? Yeah. And also you just said vault. Yeah they're in the fucking vault when they find them. They're in the vault. Where's the bank also? That's what I wanna know. Yeah like the police officers that have just traveled three hours are just like, oh the old bank, oh, let's go over to the bank then. And in the, I remember 40 years ago when this bank was open, I watched a documentary. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna name the documentary'cause it's fucking terrible. Hated it. Couldn't get through it. To be honest, it was so badly done. And it didn't help clarify a single thing for me. Anisha's made up her own ending. Yes. I might have lied about this whole fucking case. Just take what you can believe what you want, because it makes no sense. So basically they in it, they're like the man says to them, also don't even know where this fucking man came from. Dunno why he's talking anyway. Whatever. So he goes to them, oh yeah, he said he is gonna put the barrels. At the bank. And they're like, oh, over the embankment. And he's no, in the bank, like it's normal. We just sometimes use the vault as some spare storage when people need to. Funny people just have access to, I don't know. I don't know. I've got nothing to say. So basically yeah. So they decide that they're basic, that they're gonna go look for the barrels. They think, okay, we're gonna go we might find bunting at the same time if we go and look for the barrels, so we may as well. And when the guy had told them about the barrels, he'd said, awfully stinky. So they were a bit like, oh, stinky barrels. What's in there? Then? What do you think is going on there? Then? It's a bit strange. So just imagine oh, that guy that's parked his truck here, and I haven't seen him in three weeks with his smelly barrels in the back. These fucking barrels are stinking up. My driveway came out of his house. They're like losing it, walking off to the bank and they're like stinky mind, awfully stinky barrels. So they thought that the smell was gonna be liquid from a hydroponic lab, right? A hydroplane lab is a, just a controlled environment to grow plants in nutrient rich soil. That's it. Okay. Okay. But it's a great place to grow it. Because obviously it's very nutrient rich and you can control the temperature, so it's like really? Yeah. Anyway, to prefer like fresh mulch and stuff stinks anyway, so yeah. Anything. Yeah, and like the offshoot of all of that, they just assumed it was gonna be really stinky and that's what this guy was doing. So that's what I said is pretty weird assumption. Was bunting like a. Gardener or I think they were just like, this guy's a bit fucked. Yeah, it was just being just, I don't wanna say it, but I think he was just a bit white trashy. Okay. And they were like weed or meth? Yeah. Okay. I see. Yeah. Yeah. I think they just were jumping to some conclusions about him. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I put the police suspected that he was growing weed basically. So in the part of the building, they get there and they find this disused bank vault. And in there they find six barrels, but also they find things like handcuffs, gloves. And a hack saw. Oh, sure. And they're like, oh. And they get there and they're like, oh, that doesn't smell like a hydroponic lab. Smells like bodies that doesn't smell good. Basically I, in the documentary, they bring up a coroner and then, and they're like, we think you might need to come down here. And he's I'm not fucking coming down there. Have you opened a barrel? Have you found a body? And they were like, no, but we don't want to. Yeah. They're like, how? Yeah. Describe the smell of a dead body. Yeah. Yeah. And opened the phone. Do you know what it wouldn't smell like too far? Yeah. So they basically, they they, yeah they're like, and in there someone had plugged in air fresheners, six fucking barrels. Six barrels. And you thought a fucking gladed air freshener. And the wall was gonna do the job. The one that you have to walk past. I wonder what's looked like. What goes really well with we're having too much fun it is genuinely terrible. So basically this, the mixture of the smell of this air freshener and the rotting flesh that's obviously coming. Yeah. Like they, they, everyone that was like at the scene was like, I literally cannot forget the smell. Yeah. It's burned into my nostrils. Yeah. If anyone ever lit a candle that like that, that even remotely reminded you of, it's if you were like Pauly and then you. Like my sister was talking about when she had her appendix out and she was like, the medicine was horrible. My mom said that it wasn't the medicine that was peach flavor, it was that she was taking the medicine with a peach sparkling drink. Ah. She was so poorly. Lauren literally hates peach. Like she cannot, like peach squash, peach anything, peach flavor. And my mom was like, it's because that was the drink that you were having when you were sick. Yeah. So like any kind of like smell, you associate it with something bad. Yeah. And that's just being under the weather. That's not encountering six barrels of, yeah. Anyway, gross. So basically, yeah, about arguing with the coroner. I didn't even write this bit down, but it's actually quite funny. They're arguing in the coroner and he's call me when you find a body. And then he's open up one of them. If you see something, let me know. Call him back. Five minutes later they're like, we found a body. Ah, actually we found two. So they're not, they're just bodies in barrels. There's no nothing. They've literally No babe. No. Don't get ahead of yourself. I'll just calm down. They finally opened the bar barrels and what they realized, this is potentially going to be one of the biggest, most gruesome cases in Australian history. Inside those barrels, they find eight bodies across the six barrels. Fuck. And they've all been dismembered. Oh my God. There is a lot of real fucking questionable characters. Okay. In this whole thing. Yeah. Arguably, nobody's not questionable. One or two that you're like, yeah, fuck me. I feel very sorry for you just got wrapped up in this whole thing. Yeah. And you've become a victim, but like a lot of the people we are gonna encounter, you're like, what the fuck? Yeah. However, you have to remember with a hint of most of them that other than basically John Blunting, most of them were vulnerable, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that is how we end up in this scenario. Yes. Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you a little bit about Justin Bunting. He was born the 4th of September, 1966 in Inala, Queensland in Australia. To parents, Jan and Tom Bunting. Dunno anything about them. And then I put fun fact bunting was actually also born without a sense of smell. Oh. I guess maybe that's why you didn't know was going on in the vault comes. Maybe you would've picked a different air. Fresher. Yeah. To with the sense if he could smell it, honestly. You think he'd use that to a bit of a better advantage? Yeah. Just living in my superpower is I've got no smell. Oh, murder. I can leave these bodies for as long as I like. Yeah. No one's gonna suspect me because it doesn't smell like anything. My brother was in like a a. Like a uni film when he was younger and it was called Smelly. And we went to love that. We went to the Poly in fath to watch it. And he's so young, he's seven or something. Oh. And he's the young kid. And then it's like the kid as an adult. Yeah. A bit older, but he's got no sense of smell. So he like keeps like vials, like jars of smell of like scents that happen in his whole life and keeps them in this little shed. And then he like has an argument with his mom and runs off and cries and then goes and hangs out in his shed. And I can't really remember what happens, but I think as the person's older, he like gets his sense of smell back. That's so cute. And he gets to smell this moment and he gets to smell all of his kind of love that. Yeah. That's the thet thing ever. My brother is so cute in it and like I just randomly think about it sometimes and I'm like. That's so random though. Yeah. I know. Someone doesn't have a sense of smell, and I just think that's so crazy because it affects so many things, isn't it? It affects your taste as well. Yeah, with this pos like, I haven't been able to really smell much and like today all of my smells coming back and I was like, if you just feel like a normal person when you sense Yeah. But I guess if you don't know yeah. You don't ever know then you don't know. But still, yeah, it's just that if it, when it goes you, I just feel like when it goes, I'm like, yeah, I don't feel like complete. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I very much miss when I it's like breathing out your nose, isn't it? Yeah. I's always take it for fucking granted 1974, when he was eight years old, he was beaten and sexually assaulted by a friend of his older brother. I also read somewhere that it was an older brother's friend. No, that was the same thing. No, it was, no, it was. A not a friend of his older brother, it was a friend's older brother. Brother. I'm not sure which one is yeah, I, to be honest, I, he fucking Wikipedia did some heavy lifting in this case because it was when I was like, when I said to you earlier about there's some misgendering in the case or like potential misgendering, like it's gets quite confusing. Yeah. From Wikipedia seemed like the only place that was actively not trying to do that. Yeah. And actually making, so that was yeah. Is what you should be research, like what narrative you should be researching it from. So fucking props to you. I'll donate but no more than two pounds. Don't ask more of me. So basically it is said that although he was quite a friendly child, he was quite prone to violence and no one's really sure if that was like after what happened to him. Yeah. Or if that was the case. Before and then maybe it potentially got worse after that. But he was seen as a lovely kid, but he did have quite violent tendencies. Yeah. For also some reason I also wrote in 1981, he slept with a girl for the first time at 15 and got her pregnant. And then that's not important. Okay. Thanks for that. Any other point? Nice to know his bedroom. Anns not sure why I wrote that down actually. Maybe I just forgot to delete it. Good for him. Thought that it might pay off at some point. Yeah. Didn't, don't even know if she had the child. Oh yeah. Not sure. In 1988, at age 22, he gets a job at an abattoir. They love to kill the animals. Yes. So he loves this job. Of course he fucking loves it. And he says things like the slaughtering of the animals is his favorite part of the job and he gloats about it to everyone who would listen. There's a bit of red flag now. Is it? No. I wrote, despite this shit, it said that you had a unique ability to charm people into doing anything he wanted. Jesus. So he's just, imagine a guy just coming up to you and being like, drop an abattoir. Fucking love killing them. Animals also wanna go get me a bag of coke? Yeah. Yeah. Why not? Okay. Okay. Yeah. See ya. Whatever you like. Yeah. Maybe they're just like so baffled by his like, honesty, like maybe it's like you've got whiplash. Yeah. He's just oh, ow. Oh yeah. Okay. I'll get you the cocaine, the pig whisperer. Like the fuck. Yeah. Also, maybe it is just, it is like he has got a charismatic way about him, but also I'm quite scared of him. Yeah. So I'm just gonna go and get him this bag of maybe it's fear, maybe it's admiration. Maybe it's Maybelline, maybe It's absolutely chaotic though. Yeah. Completely chaotic. It makes no sense, but that, yeah, people are drawn to him. So around this time he moves in with his friend and his friend's girlfriend. And do you know what he does? He slaughters their terrier. Oh my God. Yeah. And I think they continue to live with him. This is also just what? Yeah. So he's also, can we just say and they know it was him? It's pretty obvious it's him, but I don't think you are just like, oh, the man with the knives that loves slaughtering pigs. What's happened to my bull terrier? It must be the neighbors also fucking fuming about that.'cause Bull terrier is my shit. Yeah. Fuming. I've got tattoo of one on my arm. How dare you. I know, but he's in disguise. Yeah, he's in disguise. But I don't like, no, I'm just not right with this. Yeah. Already bad vibes. I just don't, any sympathy I might have had for this man has gone out the window also, like I don't wanna be this person, but like you, you like to slaughter, but you have the means to always do that. So why? Why do you have to kill the dog? Yeah. Are you doing it to something that's not in your work? Like just Oh yeah. Leave it alone. Greed, man. Leave it alone. So yeah, he's 22 at this point, and then in 1989 at 23, he meets Veronica Trip. Who later becomes his wife. Now, no point in writing that down, babe, because never see her again. Not a single thing about her. And later on, someone else has described as his wife and I don't understand. I don't understand where she goes when she leaves, or who he lives with, if I'm completely honest. Someone more please tell us. Before she literally loses her eye bugging scream, because I tried my absolute best to get any clarity in this and I couldn't. So basically. The only other thing you need to know about her is later in their relationship in 1991, they moved to Salisbury North and this is where he meets Robert Wagner and Mark Hayden. Okay. Robert Wag. Wagner, yeah. Is here already. Yeah. And Mark Hayden. So Robert Wagner's missing as well as Bunting right now. Yes. But they're the ones with the barrel in the truck that they were looking for in 1994 while married to Trip. Yeah. He began a sexual relationship with Elizabeth Harvey who, I think he also marries later. Oh, so she might be the person there. Yes. And I don't know when Veronica trip is out of the equation, but you won't hear about her again okay. It's at some point. This is where he would meet James Zaki fucking ugly. Yeah. I told you when he starts an affair with Liz, He is actually the son of Elizabeth. Okay. And Bunting takes him under his wing. Okay. Dangerous. In this same year. So 1994 Bunting began killing and skinning cats and dogs. Oh. Skinning them. And he would make James watch. Yep. So I now put, now to get into the murders, we have to go back two years. Okay. What? From 1994. 1994. Yeah. I'm gonna give you the date. Don't worry. No, it's fine. It's okay. So this is happening in 99. He meets Liz Harvey in 94. Yeah. But we are going back now to 92. To 92 to the first murder. Cool. The 31st of August, 1992. Uhhuh Clinton, Douglas Ize is invited over to Buntings. Salibury home to hang. Yeah. So I'm assuming at this point he's with Veronica Tripp. Yep. Yeah. At some point during this visit, bunting begins to accuse Clinton of being a ped file. Sure. Don't think he had any evidence of that. But you'll see that's a co running theme actually in this man's whole, Emma. And is he like a superhero that gets rid of pedophiles or something? So we will see over his crimes. This is something Bunton will do. Yeah. He will use rumors and his own opinions to decide an individual's guilt. And he will then use that to make them his next victim. So he's doing well. Just also I say, is he a superhero? Does he think he is? I don't think he, he's a vigilante, I think is what you meant. I don't think he is. Yeah. He thinks he is. So he had a particular hatred towards homosexuals and he lumped them in alongside people Peters. Okay. Yeah. So there is a lot of crossing of the two. Yeah. In the things that he says. So this for Bunting was a justification for his victim selection. Although it is also believed that he chooses people. He basically thought no one's gonna miss them. So he all he wanted to kill. Yes. He really wanted to kill. Yeah. And he starts to justify it by saying that he's taking out homosexuals and pedophiles and people that won't be missed. Yes. He's not hurting other people by doing it. He's just doing the world a favor. But essentially he is profiling a victim that he thinks doesn't have any family, and no one will actually be concerned if they go missing. So no one will report them missing, no report. So he can just continue to kill. Okay. And also you'll see by the last victim, his reasoning is fucking wild. Yeah. It's wild also, even if a person had literally no one that knew about them in the entire world, which is basically impossible. Yeah. Murdering them will still have an effect on someone somewhere. Yeah. So it's just a terrible argument. It literally completely terrible. So he's accusing Clinton of being a peed for he then bludgeons Clinton to death with a shovel in his front room. Yes. Is there any, the first victim, is there any evidence to back this up? I don't think there's evidence to back up any of his claims Yeah. About any of them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not as far as I, I can see like a lot of what you hear, see is like hearsay or reporting from Yeah. It, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just curious because like me or rumors from someone that he knows that says That person assaulted me or, yeah. Even if they were all pedophiles, he still doesn't have the right to go and bludgeon them to death. But like it's interesting that even the first victim, there's not even any evidence. It's like he's just been like, pedophiles are bad. Yeah. So I guess I'll just pin that on people. I think, it feels like the justification comes from the people around him potentially. Yeah. That he recruits because it, I see. These are people who reportedly have been abused. Yeah. Okay. And that if you want to rile someone up, you hit them at the heart. But also you have to remember, he too has rumor to be abused. Yeah. So maybe he just hates Yeah. His, it's where his hatred lies. Yeah. The injustice. What happened to him. And he feels justified in, in what he's doing. Yeah. And he doesn't need any evidence of it. He just thinks that he knows when someone's a pedophile. Yes. Like he's got like a Peter. Yeah. I a Peter. Holy shit. Sorry, a sorry. That was fucking terrible. Common use though. I was like a radar, but pedophiles. Pedophiles, no. Unacceptable. Apologies. Unacceptable. I feel like he's being like, because something like that has happened to me, it makes me angry. I want to kill, I will kill the bad things that happened to me. Yes. But him being like, I'm so wise that my radar for this is Yes. Off the chain. Bunting then recruited Robert Wagner. And Vanessa Lane, who I will tell you about later. Okay. And they dumped his body in lower light in South Australia. In 1994. Why years? So two years later, his body is found. But it would be sometime before anyone knew what happened to him. Yes. This is my question across the entire thing, is how do you approach that conversation? You'd have to be a special kind of someone with the most valid reason I've ever heard For you to convince me to just hide a crime. Yeah. For you, let alone be an accessory to hiding your body. Literally. I'm not help, I'm not helping you. Yeah. I also, I will grasp, I will like, so if anyone is listening to this and considering telling me about a crime, don't Yeah. I like, I just, I feel like you're already ruining someone else's life by making them an accessory by just telling them. Yeah. But the fact that he's oh, I've just recruited not one but two people. Yeah. But not only does Wagner help him, he then says, oh boy, gimme a bit of that. Get me in there. Do you think he has been I assume he's been like, that man was a pedophile and I'm a vigilante and maybe Wagner's wife Wagner. I under. Yeah, I believe you. Because at no point would he be like, prove it. Yeah. Yeah. He'd just be like, wow. He wouldn't be like that. I think he justifies it well to these people and they see it as what they're doing is the right thing. Yeah. So then we go to, so yeah, his body's not found until 1994 and even when they find him in 1994, it isn't solved for Yeah. For a while. Because obviously I think we were in, where did we start? 1999. Nine two. Oh, sorry. Yeah. And the body's found in 94, but he was killed in 92. Yes. Guys, my notes are doing bits. Yeah. Don't you worry. I've got your, don't you worry. We are following it. So then we go to, late 1995 also, you'll quickly find that a lot of them don't fucking know when they died. I can maybe give you a year and a rough time. Yeah. Some of them no fucking clue when they died, because also these people were not reported missing. You'll see part of why in a little bit because there isn't just a righteous justification. There's a financial want to. Okay. So in late 1995, Bunton targets Ray Allen Davies Ray was 26 years old and classified as an intellectually disabled man. Okay. Davies was reportedly known around town to flash children. So there's like a subtle feel. Some, but again, reportedly known. Yeah, not definitely. Just reportedly. Might be true. Might not be true. Yeah. Don't know. Also there is a justice system for these kind of things. There is, you don't need to murder everyone that's doing things like that, but, okay. So in 1993, Ray Allen Davies is dating a woman named Suzanne Allen. Yeah. Alan's grandchildren allegedly said that he had been inappropriate with them. But Alan, Suzanne was actually connected to Bunting because she's believed to have been having an affair with him. Fuck it. Al what the fuck. But that's how he knows about Ray. Yes. In the first days. That's how he knows about Ray Alan Davies is because she's probably said, oh yeah, my ex. Flashed people and also apparently something inappropriate to my kids. And he's been like, I'll save you. Yeah, exactly. So on the 25th of December, oh, gutted, 1995, they kidnapped and tortured Ray. Oh my God. By beating him even, and even torturing him using jumper leads bunting later recounted how Elizabeth Harvey Yeah. Had actually participated by stabbing Davies in the legs while they were torturing him. Why are you agreeing to this? They then murdered and dismembered him. Most of them are murdered. I think all of them actually are murdered by strangulation. Okay. So in 93 he's dating Suzanne and she presumably tells him about all of this, but then by 95, yeah, by 95, him and Suzanne. Him and Suzanne are not together anymore. Ray, he's seen Liz any, yeah. And in 1994 he meets Elizabeth. Yes. But by the sounds of it, he's fucking about everywhere. Yeah. Okay. So he's charismatic. So he is probably like bedding people and them being like, do you wanna Peter's, he is fucking everyone by the sounds of it. Like it's, and they all are. Yeah. Okay. That it's all, all over the place. Okay. So yeah, they murder and dismembered him. And then basically Davies body. So Ray Allen Davies, his body is found in 1999, May, 1999 in the garden of Buntings Salisbury property. So I haven't told you about any of the bodies in the barrel yet. Fucking, yeah. Just to note, and when he tortured Ray, so is that why they're looking for him because they found a body in his garden? Nope. They find the body in the garden after they find the bodies in the barrel. Oh my Jesus Christ. Yeah. And yeah. So they find eight in the barrels. Yeah. But there are more bodies. While they're torturing Ray, they force him to give them his account details. Okay. Yes. Okay. Actually he's not reported missing because his accounts are being used long after he's actually been murdered. So everyone just thinks he's out on a belt. No one is even raised suspicion. Also found in May, 1999. In the same garden as the body of Ray Davis. Yeah. Is his ex-partner Suzanne Allen, the one that would is fucking bunting. Yeah. Oh my God. So he killed her as well. Yes. So for dating API after her and Ray's relationship had ended, yeah. She ended up having an affair with John Bunting, but I think she might have been having the affair while he was alive as well. But yeah. Anyway, definitely after their relationship ended, she was seeing bunting. Yeah. It is Then believed that she became his next victim. However, they have never actually convicted him of her murder because they claim bunting and Wagner claim that she had a heart attack and they found her body. So they just dismembered her and buried her, but they never killed her. It's like at this point they just don't know what else to do. Like bunting is, he's just it's in my nature to just like skin people. Yeah. And slaughter people and like this person's just naturally died that won't do Yeah. Literally just, and also it's just sees a body and just starts chopping it up. Yeah. When and how she actually died. No one is Sure. Because if they did strangle her, they most likely. Decapitated her, which if you decapitate someone over where you've strangled them, you can't, there's not really, you can't really tell that they've been strangled. Yeah. And even if maybe it was all a bit too much for her when the murdering of Ray was going on and then she had a heart attack. Yeah. They could maybe they were like, we can't call the police because we're in the process of torturing and murdering someone. Also, there's a chance they were just like, yeah, she was, they were fucking torturing her and she had a heart attack. Yeah. And they were like we can't get the police over here because there is a natural death, but there's also an unnatural death going on right next to it. Exactly. But the fuck, they're just like, I guess we just chop both of them up. Also there's reason that part of it is that maybe she did, maybe they didn't kill her, but what they didn't dismember and bury her because, best mates, they dismembered and buried her because what they realized they could do is collect her pension. Oh okay. So if someone knew that she was dead, she wouldn't receive the pension anymore. Yeah. So they were like heart ORs, she's died, or they did kill her as well. Yeah. So basically, but I assume though they've said heart attack because it wouldn't fall into the. Them saying that they're, vigilante act of them being like, we're targeting pedophiles because she was sleeping with him. Yeah. And she was'cause how do you justify that? Yeah, exactly. It's like you're saying you're just targeting, you can't you're not gay pedophiles. Yes. She is not a gay pedophile. So it doesn't fit your, in your eyes. So it doesn't fit the narrative. So you have to say she's had a heart attack. Yeah. Because, and it's basically believed that Bunton just grew tired of her. Yeah. And decided that he wanted her out the picture, and that he wanted a pension, gave her the job. Holy shit. Yes. So that's the beginning end of Ray and Suzanne already. In September of 1997, Michelle Gardner, age 19 went missing. Gardner was a trans woman living with Robert Wagner's wife's cousin. Fucking hell yeah. I know her name was Nicole Zita. Okay. Not long. His wife's cousin. Yes. Not long before Michelle Gardner's disappearance. Bunting was her calling her the biggest homo right. End quote. Fuck yeah. Oh fuck. Robert Wagner. Obviously it's Robert Wagner's wife's cousin. Yeah. Was reported to say that he had once seen Gardner playing in her front yard with his kid. And when they were playing she had put her hand over one of the children's mouth. I don't know, maybe they were messing about, maybe they were fighting. I don't know. Maybe she went to grab them and I dunno. Yeah. And that's all he said. But he basically was like this infuriated Wagner and this is believed to be the catalyst for choosing her as the next victim. Jesus Christ. And because she was trans. Yeah. They had a massive problem with that. Clearly. Yeah. There was again, articles that dead name her. Yes. And doesn't, don't even acknowledge that she was trans. So I, but I'm sticking with what Wikipedia has told me. So that's what we're going with. Especially because it's something that can be updated. And I reckon the other things, that have been published a long time ago, a hundred percent may be slightly insensitive. Yeah. But Wikipedia will be updated with the time. So we're gonna go with that. Yeah, that makes sense. But that's it, isn't it? It's like they've got this massive problem with her being herself. Yes. Yeah. Literally. That's it. And they're just being like, and they have used what could have been a very harmless instance, playing with a child. Yeah. Yeah. And used that to justify what they do to her. Yeah. To being like, must be a pedophile. Yeah. It is reported that they kidnap her and they take her to a shed where they repeatedly strangle her. Basically they strangle her. They let her go before she dies, and then they force her to stand. Oh. So as she hits the floor, they force her to stand up and then they do it again. Oh God, just kill me off. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And then they do something even fucking terrible. Yeah. Because what they do is they go and stage a robbery, atta Nicoletta's house who, who lived with Gardner? Yeah. And convince Zita that Gardner had done it and had stolen her money for gender affirming Cedric fuck, fuck off you fucking, and then no one reports her missing. Oh, you fucking pre How fucking horrible is that? Not only have you taken her future away, but then you've been like, oh, look. And she got to do everything that she wanted. Yeah. And you make her seem like a wicked fucking, and she did it by stealing from everyone that she loves. What a bad person going off to, whereas she didn't get that. She just had a phone call. No, you fucking killed her. Does Robert Wagner's wife know what he's like or is she Robert Wagner's partner? Yeah. Oh, wife. No, because obviously you're saying no. Yeah. Cousin. No, I get you. No, I don't think so. Probably actually. Yeah. But I haven't read anything else. It's so sad. Like I can just imagine them like at the Christmas dinner table being like, oh God. And your Auntie Michelle or whatever. Like she was a bitch. She ran off with all the money and Oh yeah. She stole, they'd be talking hella shit. She didn't get as fuck. Oh yeah, absolutely fucked. Like at least fucking own it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Shit. And walking into your family's house as well. Yeah. And fucking totally in it. And they stole the stuff. That's the thing is the money and stuff, they kept it for themselves. Like he's just sat there with all the money saying, oh my God. And another hilarious thing to say to them Yeah. Would be, she's a terrible person because she's done it all and she's ran off. And why don't we also say it so that she can transition. Yeah. Pieces of shit. Fuck you. So on the 17th of October. 1997. So this is like a month later. Yeah. Vanessa Lane was picked up by Bunting Wagner and one other man. Vanessa Lane is helped them Yes. Get rid of her body in the Be beginning. Yes. Lane was forced to call her mother and verbally abuse her and tell her she was moving to Queensland and was cutting contact. God. She was then tortured for her bank details. They crushed her toes with pliers and then strangled her to death. That becomes a bit of an MO for them as well. The pliers. God. Yeah. Yep. So that is rough, mate. that is rough. So this is where, I'm just gonna go ahead and point out that I have gone with the name Vanessa Lane. Yeah. But Vanessa also went by Barry Lane. So this is what I talked to you about earlier. Yes. Nowhere have I seen it that said that she was a trans woman. It just said that sometimes she went by, she used the name Vanessa. But in the spirit of not trying to misgender a victim, I'm gonna use Vanessa and I'm gonna use she because that's obviously something she was comfortable with. Yeah. So that's what we're gonna do. It's so it is, so when they wanted Vanessa Lane to help move the bodies, she would help. But because there's potential that she was trans and they've got this massive problem with people being gay and people being transgender people, it gets far more interesting than that because the hypocrisy in this Yeah. Is fucking insane. But oh, when you need her, she's a value to you. But then when you haven't got another victim on your list. So she was, for all intent purposes, part of this group, this clique of and helping them do it. And Lane was actually the ex-partner of Robert Fucking Wagner, fucking Al. Like it. So when Lane and Wagner helped Uhhuh move the body, it's because they had lived together when John Bunting had first met Wagner. So John Bunting in theory should have a problem with everyone. In theory, fucking what? Yeah. So yeah, lane was actually the ex partner, Robert. That is what you mean as well, isn't it? Yeah. How like Vanessa Lane helped dispose of her body, so you shouldn't like her, but then she gets murdered. Yeah. And she's one of the murder victims. Yeah. So then you feel bad for her, but you're also like, and, but you were willing to help see when it wasn't you'll see, right? Re other than Clinton Trise, I think the first victim. Every single one of them are fucking connected. Yeah. Yeah. They don't kill people they don't know or who aren't part of their lives. And it's so crazy that they're just so if you were like, I don't know, Robert Wagner's wife maybe not even her because she wouldn't know buntings ex-partners, but would she, I guess maybe I dunno, wouldn't you be like, it's so weird how everyone just all of a sudden turns out to be a massive prick and runs off with all of our money. Yeah. Or everyone just disappear. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Or they just go at what point and you never see them again. Why are all of our friends just dropping off the face? Why does everyone, that everyone sleeps with, but maybe it was like quite a nomadic community. Yeah. Like maybe actually that wasn't something that was actually that strange. To be fair, we're only cutting across 92 to 99 at this point and everyone is sleeping with everyone. Yes. So it might just be like the hospitality industry. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Turnover of people in Snowtown so obviously, yeah. She was the ex-partner of Robert Wagner. She'd also kept bunting informed about the activities of local pedophiles. I dunno how, by the way, Vanessa Lane was Vanessa Lane. Yeah. Why are you getting rid of her? Then? However, during Robert Wagner and Vanessa Lane's relationship, lane was accused of molesting a young boy. Oh God. And her and Wagner's house was Firebombed. Oh my Jesus Christ. Yes. After this, Wagner left her, what is like the population of Snowtown? They don't even fucking live in Snowtown. They don't live there. This is actually Adelaide. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. So actually, I'll tell you about it later, but only one of the victims was actually fucking killed in Snowtown. Oh God. I don't even know why they're there. And but like this po I just am. I'm so confused. Yeah. I told you. Why is everyone getting accused of being a pedophile? I know. In this tiny village. Like I don't, I just don't. My notes page is a fucking mess. I'm gonna post this on the Instagram. This is like everything I've been saying to you all day about how fucking carnage this thing is. Earlier you were at work and you were like, there's someone's. A friend, someone's friend's, wife, cousin's, mother. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's fine. It's good for us to get our brains, our juices flowing this way. It's fucking mad. So it's gonna get, it's, the next sentence is even fucking mad. So after Wagner leaves her Yeah. In April, 1997. So obviously this is before she was murdered. Thomas Tian moves in with Lane and a relationship begins. Okay. But do you remember a minute ago when I just said to you that Vanessa Lane was picked up by Bunting Wagner and one other man, and that is Thomas Trillian and that is Thomas Trivian. Okay. And this is who basically Vanessa Lane starts seeing. Vanessa Lane is now living with, and apparently there is a relationship between the two of them. Okay, cool. Ilian, he tells Bunting that Lane had actually been sexually abusing him. Oh God. Yeah. Okay. So that is believed to have been the catalyst of this moment. No, but I don't, it doesn't make any sense to me because if, when Wagner was with Lane Wagner was accused of molesting a boy. I also read somewhere Lane was accused of molesting a lane. Sorry. Yeah. I also read somewhere that Lane molested Wagner, but I dunno I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I just dunno. Okay. Just sounds like everyone is just being. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe no one has consent, respect. Ah, yeah. Like maybe, but I couldn't fucking, yeah, I dunno. Let's not try and unravel that one. Yeah. So Ilian, who is Lane's partner at the time, or is being sexually a abused by lane? Not sure who is living with them. Participates in Lane's murder. Okay. Yeah. Cool. So you're like, we're getting rid of Lane, but we've replaced her with Trivian with her partner. Yeah. At the time. Yeah. So we are still, three are, so there's only, there's still three of us abuse. That's really good, isn't it? On the 5th of November, 1977, 18-year-old Ilion was picked up by Bunting and Wagner and he is driven to the Adelaide Hills. Do you think Wagner and Bunting were just trying really hard to find the perfect third? Yeah. They really wanted to be a throuple and they're just basically fucking auditioning people. Yeah. And they're auditioning people and they're like no, not you. Let's just get, let's take him for a ride. Yeah. Sorry. Trigger warning coming. Yeah. So trigger warning, basically he's taken to the Adelaide Hills and he's essentially lynched. Ah, yeah. Thank God. And then his body is discovered the next day hanging from a tree. Oh my fucking God. Yeah. So again, not a body in the barrel. Yeah. I think Lane, I haven't even told you that, to be fair. She is, I think Lane is potentially the only person. So far. That's bits are in the barrels. Oh, maybe. Maybe. Lane and Michelle actually are in the barrels. Just Fox mic. Oh yeah. Michelle Gardner. Michelle Gardner. Yeah. Sorry. I was about to be like no. The only person right now that we're like, oh, there's not really a question over your head about what you were doing. Like as far as we're aware all Michelle did was exist. Michelle is the yeah. The one with the least sketchy of a background before. Yeah. They meet their fate. Just so seems to just be someone that was just hanging out with someone else's, her mate's kids. Yeah. Basically. So yeah, he's discovered the next day hanging from a tree. And then I put Why you ask why have they killed him now? Yeah. And you think maybe, ah, do you think it's because he knows too much or blah, blah, blah? No. Tavian actually suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. And on the 4th of November, so the day before he is murdered. So Wagner's girlfriend's son, who I'm gonna guess eventually becomes the wife, but we won't worry about that. Son was playing with a dog and Ilian attempted to chase the dog and kill it. I'm sorry. It's not funny. What the fuck? What the actual fuck. Bunton then called him mental and told the others he was a liability, so they killed him. And everyone was just like, yeah, sure. Yeah. I don't, I honestly, it's baffling, but I couldn't not tell you the story. No. Yeah. It was just fucking insane. But also leave the dogs out. Yeah. Don't fuck with the dog. I don't think he managed to kill the dog, so That's fine. So basically he also had a known history of suicide attempts. Thomas did. So that's why they made it. Look, Thomas did. So when they found him, they assumed he'd taken his own knife. So it was attributed to a suicide for a while. Yeah. I did. It does seem like that's how, chopping up a body. Yeah. I can't blame that on suicide. No. That feels fuck them. Yeah. Honestly. So the next one I said, I couldn't quite tell when this murder took place. But I think it was late 1997 to early 98. Okay. And this victim is Gavin Allen Porter ran outta space. He was 29 years old when he was murdered. And basically Gavin, Allen. Allen, we all got the fucking same name as well. Porter. Got it. So Porter was a heroin addict who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. Is this the first heroin addict?'cause I'm feeling like they're, no. I think they're all on heroin. Yeah. But I, this is the first one I've specified. Okay. So he had befriended James Zaki Yes. Who was also an addict, son of Liz Harvey. Yes. Did twice. Well done. Thank you. Oh, and he's also an addict. Porter moves in with Zaki and Elizabeth Harvey. Okay. In conjunction he lives with bunting. Yep. Basically bunting thought that Porter was a waste who didn't deserve to live. Alright. Okay. That's for you to judge. And it is believed that a defining moment may have been when Bunting stabbed himself on a used syringe. The poor left lying around. Oh, that is pretty awkward. And that is it. He fucking that, that's it. Yeah. He took him, he tortured him. He got his bank details. See that's it ended his life. He took him, tortured him, got his bank details like. If he's that much of a waste of space and you need to get rid of him, just get rid of him. Don't torture him. Say Move out. Yeah. Go away. Get outta my house. Even if you are gonna kill him, just kill him. Also, apparently when he killed him. I dunno why I haven't wrote any of this down. I guess I just couldn't at this point I was like, this is just too much. I he was like sleeping in a car on Buntings property, but not in the house. He wasn't in there. Just tell the man to go. Yeah. Literally him being like, he's a waste of space. I don't want him around my stepson. Okay. There is a many other things you can do before you murder him. And even if you are thinking murder's, the only answer there is no valid reason to torture him. No. Yeah. This is absolutely crazy. Honestly, there's still fuck tons of murders to go as well out Gavin and Port. Yeah.'cause he's gone now, so it doesn't matter. So yeah, he stabs himself on a u syringe, decides to kill him. That's the end of Gavin. Yep. So now we're onto Troy Ud, who is 21 years old and was the half brother of James Zaki? Yes. Okay. So James told Bunting and Wagner that when he was 13, UD had sexually abused him, and this led to him being the next vi victim. They attacked him in his bed. And James participated, and I think this was the first murder that James actually participated in, but he did know about the other murders because Bunting liked to brag to him. Yeah. Yeah. And he used to cut up cats in front of him, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He knows about all that and he's probably not surprised he in when he like used to cut cats up in front of him in 1994 when he met him. Yeah. Bunting told him that he'd killed Clinton Trese Trise already. Okay. Okay. So he know, he knows about all of the murders. He's also a heroin addict, and I'm pretty sure he's 18 or something. He's like young, he's really young. So they attack him in his bed. And James participates he was tortured while they gained his bank details. And then strangled, geez. Also if that's Elizabeth Harvey's kid, I don't know what the fuck she's doing. Yeah, I But they obviously live in the same house, so what the fuck mean if my stepdad killed my friend for sleeping on my drive for a bit in his van, yeah. I would not then be like, do you want me to step in when we do my stepbrother next? Yeah. Shall I get involved? Yeah. And obviously Liz Harvey, the fucking hell are you doing, but James obviously picked this one because also we got, I just realized we've been fucking rude about this man. He is out of prison. Oh my God. You are a, this is outta prison training citizen. What a wonderful man. He's, he must have so yeah, he's obviously picked him because he said that he sexually abused him yeah. And I guess he's oh, there's a pattern going on here. And my my stepdad doesn't like people that are like druggie or waste of sp it's basically confusing that he's oh my stepson's a druggie and this his druggie mate. We need to kill his druggie mate. Not the stepson. Not your stepson, but this is what I mean, the hypocrisy Yeah. In a lot of what they do. Makes no sense. Yeah. Like it doesn't, it, there's no like rhyme or reason to it really. Yeah. It's just so all over the place, which is why you have to believe there's heroin involved. Yeah. Because like it does, there's no I'm gonna guess that maybe everyone but bunting was on heroin. Yeah. And bunting just enjoyed this. Yeah. And I guess if you're peak, like you said, picking like lots of really vulnerable people Yes. That are all, if they're all addicts, you can get yourself into all sorts of dodgy situations, can't you? Yeah. And if one person is being the ringleader and he's got this fucking charisma, even though he's a massive crazy murder man, he's also charismatic. And people are probably like, I'll do whatever you say. It is so crazy to me.'cause I don't understand how anyone listens to someone that skins cats and dogs. I just couldn't I couldn't abide it. But then. I also wouldn't fuck with someone that wanted me to murder someone. Yeah. Swings and roundabouts. I'd be more inclined to kill a person than a cat or a dog. Yeah. Yeah. I would totally agree. A cat and or a dog have never brought me to almost murder. Yeah. So women or a kid now. Power dog. Absolutely not man. Man, I'm tempted. Take the silence as you will. So in September, 1998, Frederick Robert Brooks, 18 years old, was notified that he'd been accepted to the Australian Air Force Cadets. I'm starting a new page. What's his name? Frederick Robert Brooks. Fred Brooks a little cadet boy, and he was invited to join Bunting, Wagner and Blais at a party. Yeah. It's not good, is it? He was the son of Jody Elliot, who was the sister of Mark Hayden's. Wife. I knew we'd become Oh, mark Hayden's wife. Yeah. So Mark's wife's sis and he was the third person. If it makes it easier, mark Hayden's wife is called Elizabeth. Hayden. Yeah. Jody Elliot was reportedly obsessed with bunting. Ooh. And she was the one that ly actually helped him claim Suzanne Allen's pension by pretending to be Suzanne Allen. Oh, okay. Okay. So she's like aware. She know. Yeah. She knows what they're doing. Yeah. Remember this is her son. So bonding became obsessed with the notion that Brooks was touching up young girls. And I've repeatedly told others that something had to happen to him. Oh my God, just go away. Ring the fucking police were so concerned. Zaki, Wagner and Bunting, tortured Brooks in a bathtub as they had with previous victims. He was handcuffed and thumb cuffed. What? What the fuck is that? Me, obviously you guys can't see it, but I just put my thumbs up and then pretended to try and pull them apart. Yeah. Yeah, so I still don't know what that is. Oh wait. Should I show you a picture? Yeah. Of a thumb cuff? Is it like what, but what would be the added restraint to already being handcuffed to them? You can't use your reposable thumbs. What? I don't know. Give someone the thumbs up. Metal restraint device lock person. Farms in close proximity to each other. God, that's exactly how you did it. Yeah, it's exactly that. So that you can't be like this. I dunno what the, I guess you can't then try and get the cuffs off and Yeah. And you can't,'cause you need your Yeah, because you need your farms. Yeah. Like also if you have like a paper clip or something, you can Oh yeah. You can like, you can't get off. So I guess it's more secure. Yeah. Fair. This gets fucking rough. I'm so sorry. This is the most detail I will go into, but it's fucking horrible. I'm ready. They inserted lit cigarettes into his ears and his nostrils and lit a sparkler and shoved it down his urethra. Oh my fucking God. It's gonna get worse. A syringe was used to inject bleach into his testicles. Which were wired to electrics and they choked him. Oh geez. His toes were also crushed with pliers. That doesn't even seem that bad Now. Choked to death on his gag. He was not strangled. He ended up dying while they were torturing him. God, that is absolutely horrifying. So the lack of any loyalty in this matter. Oh, because you had a suspicion. Yeah. That a kid that's about to go off to uni, how old is he? 18. Did you say he was? Yeah. I said he was Brooks, he was 18. Yeah. This kid's about to just go off and be a cadet and you've got suspicions, but you don't even if it was true. Yeah. That is so inappropriate. Also, this Jody Elliot was obsessed with him and helped him and there was nothing in his brain that says her child's off limits. Yeah. He's 18 years old. Good God. Yeah. That is such a horrifying way. Fucking horrible. And they, the things that they did to him, I don't think they were reserved just for him. They, I haven't gone into much detail about the torture that they put, but they tortured every single one of their victims. I think they got more and more creative as they Yes, for sure went on. But what they did was fucking terrible to them. Yeah. The, like even just strangling someone till they almost pass out and then making them stand up is terrible. It is just like they're just play messing. Yeah. Tormenting. Yeah. That means you just enjoy their suffering. Yeah, exactly. That's not just you trying to eradicate pedophiles. Yeah. That is you enjoying the torture. This is what I mean. Like even if your excuse of you getting rid of people that are pedophiles, like that's not. You are not allowed to do that. Yeah. That is not within your rights. But even if that was your excuse, this what you are doing is not that. No. Yeah. Fucked. This is you are a piece of shit. Yeah. Like the highest end of piece of shit. God. That is absolutely horrifying. So next bunting enlists of Zaki assistance in October of 1998. So that he can gather some details regarding his neighbor, Gary O'Dwyer. He's 29 and what Bunting wants to know is his financial situation and whether he has any family. Okay. Yeah. So he doesn't go far looking for victims. Yeah, I know. It's also crazy like how no one at any point in this whole story. Has noticed that all these people just keep also Jody Elliot did you report your kid missing?'Cause for far as I can tell, that's not one of the reasons that, that they get caught. That's not the missing person's case. That sort of kicks this whole thing off. And if you already know that, if you've helped bunting before, like even if you aren't sure, you're just so sure. Yeah. That it's him. I haven't said as well. Also he was blabbing about the town that he thought that Fred Brooks was a pedo. Yeah. So it's not like Jody would be like, oh, so weird. My son's gone missing. And then someone would be like the pedophile that Buntings told us about. And then she'd be like, oh wait, the last time I helped him kill a pedophile. Yeah, maybe my son has been killed by him. By him. Yeah. So what I haven't said either is Mark Hayden, although he's not participating in the murders as far as we can tell, he's helping dispose of bodies. Yeah. I think he probably, I think he disposes of something like five in the end. Okay. And I don't think he ever participates in any of the murders, but he knows exactly what's going on and exactly what they're doing and is absolutely helping them. So basically buntings neighbor Gary Oare is actually physically and mentally disabled. Okay. And basically, bunting is heard repeatedly calling o' Dwyer. Sorry about this. Quotes a fag. Okay. Yeah. So he obviously must believe that he's gay or is using that to Yes. Okay. Further his like his group's belief. Yeah. Also if he's got a, quite a sense of leadership within this community. Yeah. Whatever this is. If he starts that, eventually everyone will, and then you can, no one will be like, where did that even start? By the way? It'll just be like this thing that everyone assumes about a person. Yeah. But you've just started a rumor, but everyone believes it because they obviously seem to take your word as God Uhhuh. So basically it's believed that D'S O's disability benefits are basically the right main reason he becomes a target because his benefits could be quite high considering that he's physically and mentally disabled. What happens is Zaki arranges with O'Dwyer for Bunting, Wagner and Zaki to go and have a drink with him at his property. Just having a drink, just organizing a nice little drink with a man. And Bunting set out to get O' Dwyer drunk and then get his details right. But basically about 15 to 20 minutes in of them drinking Wagner just gets up, grabs dyer around the throats and proceeds to torture him for several hours. Oh my God. So Wagner went off with that one for no reason, just decided he was gonna do it. And that wasn't even the plan. That wasn't the plan, which means that the original fucking leader, that's the psychopath in all of this isn't even the one that's starting off this now. It's like Wagner's got this huge taste for it. Yeah. And is just nah, actually I just wanna torture her again. Yeah, exactly. On the 21st of November, 1998. Bunting and Wagner arrived at the residence of Elizabeth Hayden. Yes. Okay, so that's 30. That's Mark's wife. Her husband and children had gone out for the night. Elizabeth was dragged to her bathroom, tortured and then killed God. Hayden told Bunting that he had told his wife about the murders. So that's why. And Bunting hated Elizabeth. Wagner had quite similar feelings about her. He said he considered her to be a whore and a low life. And this is probably just because Mark has informed Elizabeth and she's been like, you need to stay away from those men, and they're pieces of shit. He's gonna get you in trouble. Do not ever do a murder with them. We can move on from this. It sounds like the Unabomber not liking his brother's girlfriend because she's probably got some sense in Oh yeah. But then, you know what, later that day when her husband was showing her remains, he laughed. Yeah. And he proceeded to help them cover up her murder and dispose of her body in the barrels. Do you think that was him fearing for his life, or do you think he just fucking Absolutely. It seems as if I'll talk about it in a minute, but it seems as if he goes on to try and protect. Bunting and Wagner. So I don't think so. I think he didn't particularly like his wife and he wasn't mad that she was dead. So we now come to the last murder. Okay. It's the 9th of May. Remember when we find the bodies? Yeah. On the 20th? Yeah. Okay. 1999. David Johnson. 24 years old. Zaki. Yeah. Told Johnson that there was a there was a computer for sale. Cheap in Snowtown. So this is the only Snowtown murder. Okay. And he agreed to go with Zaki to buy it. Zaki takes him to the bank vault where the barrels are. Oh, and he has murdered there in there? Yes. He was overpowered. The barrel was already in there. Yes. Okay. God. No, I don't think so. I think they just went to the vault. So he is overpowered as soon as he enters the building. He was actually Zaki stepbrother, so another family member of his, I just don't understand. Yeah. And do you know why he killed him? No. Tell me. Bunton did not like Johnson because he was clean and looked after his appearance. What the fuck? I'm laughing. It is not funny. It's fucking bunting was referred known to refer to him as a yuppie, and then the same insult that he would go for a Dwyer as well. So now they're too fucking clean for you as well. Yeah. It makes no fucking, he's done nothing. He's done literally nothing. You don't like the look of him. You decided he has to die. Yeah. And I feel because at this point you are finding it so easy. Yeah. You're feeling no repercussions. You're just like, we have to keep killing now. You can't just like, it's notoriously known that you don't just stop killing. Yeah. They're just being like, oh, what about your fucking brother-in-law or whatever you just said. Yeah. He's quite clean and fucking nobby. So all of a sudden he's gay because he's clean and you're calling him a yuppie because he likes to look after his appearance and he likes to have a shower. Yeah. Literally he pisses me off with how clean he is. And you fucking, he's definitely trying to make moves on the men. Yeah. And you murdered him for that in fucking insane. He was 24. Like ridiculous. Yeah. So a piece of flesh was cut off of Johnson. And fried and eaten by Bunting and Wagner. What the fuck is up with these men? No. Yeah. I dunno. It's they're like, should we just try it all? Should give it all a go. Yeah. To be fair at this point it's like they might as well just be cannibals because they're like, they've already done some terrible fucking shit. What else can they do that they haven't? Do you know what I mean? Like they've killed basically everyone that they know. Yeah. And now they're probably running out of ideas and running out of people to kill. So they're like, why don't we eat this one? Yeah. Just so that we are the ultimate fucking, so the police's investigations into the deaths of Clinton Trise is actually what led them to the group. Somehow they managed to connect Clinton's death and the disappearance of Vanessa Lane. And when they did this, they managed to track. Vanessa Lane's bank card. Yeah. And caught footage of Robert Wagner withdrawing cash from her bank. Okay. So they're like, this is Sass. So that's how they got to them. But at the same sort of time, the, an investigation has begun to take shape after Elizabeth Hayden's brother. Oh, okay. Reported her missing within days of her disappearance. Okay, good. So her brother, so his fucking, her fucking husband laughs but his, her brother's yeah. So her brother did not believe her husband. Mark Hayden's explanations for where she'd gone. Yeah. And he also did not believe that she would leave without her sons. I police then found it extremely suspicious that her husband had not reported her missing. Yeah. And then began to investigate her disappearance. So that was the cases that converged them onto Snowtown and made them realize it was all coming together. I don't think they necessarily thought that they were gonna find the bodies though. Yeah. So now we're finally, we're almost at the end guys. You've done so so what? They're fucking them to snow tell. Yeah. So on the 21st of May, 1999, bunting, Wagner and Hayden are arrested for the murders. Fabulous. So they find them, they arrest them. Great job. Yep. But Zach is, was arrested later on the 26th of May. So it was like five days later. Okay. In September, 2003, bunting was convicted of committing 11 murders and Wagner of 10. Okay. Three of which Wagner actually confessed to, I don't think Bunton confessed to anything. In 2004, Hayden was convicted on five counts of assisting with murders, of which he admitted to two, right? Yeah. It was determined that Bunton was the ringleader and like what was the point in admitting to three out of 10? Yeah. I dunno. Like I, yeah, if you're going to admit to doing three, you may as well fucking admit to it. Yeah. There's no difference between three and 10. There is there is, but like why? There is the people outside, but there isn't in the fucking name of the law. You're gonna, you're just going away for the rest of your life. Yeah. And if you are going to admit, unless it was like three, he was basically like caught out. Yeah. Had no choice. Yeah. And he just maybe, I don't know, tripped up. They were like, you're done for with these ones, yeah. So basically Bunting was sentenced to 11 consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole uhhuh. And then Wagner was sentenced to 10 life sentences without the possibility of parole. He said this in the dock. Who? Wagner. Wagner, pedophiles were doing terrible things to children. The authorities didn't do anything about it. I decided to take action. I took that action. Thank you. No. Do not thank us. That's fucking insane. You do not want you to thank her. What's the excuse for the last one? Yeah. What do you mean? Literally? And the fact that he's being like, Peter Foster did bad things. So did you Yeah. Yeah. What makes you any different? What makes you better? Yeah. So Vais was sentenced to four consecutive life sentences with a non-pro period of 26 years. He confessed in 2001 to four murders, including Johnsons Uhhuh, and became a key witness. So actually the detail he ended up providing for the prosecution was what? Put Bunting and Wagner away for as long as they, they did, yeah. Okay. And then Hayden was sentenced to 25 years with non-par parole period of 18 years. Okay. In February, 2024, Hayden was granted parole with authority, citing his excellent behavior in prison. Ew. What does that even fucking mean? He's in fucking prison. Of course he's behaving also. Of course he's behaving because he didn't wanna kill anyone that whole time. He just helped move the bodies. That man is smart, but he laughed at his wife dead, of course, like he's fucked. He's dead body. He's absolutely fucked. But he's tactically not. Gone along with any, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like he's been involved in this whole thing, but he's known. What he tells people means that they'll go and kill his wife and then he's ha has, see, they removed my wife, but I didn't have to do anything about it. He's probably excellent at behaving because he understands how he has to behave to get what he wants done. Yeah. He's just manipulated whole sister. There's something fucking psychotic in that in itself. Yeah. That you're just fine with being around that and fine with the murder of your wife. No big deal. It's not even like they fucking consulted you about it before they just did it and you were just like l Yeah, literally. So yeah, in August of 2025, Zaki was granted parole after 26 years in prison. I did also read somewhere that it said it may have been revoked upon review, but I'm not sure about that, so we won't worry about it. As far as we're aware, this man's out. Elizabeth Harvey. Yeah. Remember her Uhhuh? Not great either. No. She died from cancer not long after they'd all been taken into custody. So there were never any repercussions to the things she did. Done. Yeah. She should have gone down as well for just being stabbing everything, that young kid in the legs and participating in the torture, like anyone that caught wind of this going on and didn't do anything about it. Yeah. Is bad vibes. And the only one that seems to have genuinely not been anything to do with anything is Michelle Gardner. Yeah. Who just seems to, we don't know this. Yeah. That just seems to be someone that was just I also have to say friends with a friends of a cousin. The one thing I do have to say is that James Zaki, it feels like he was groomed into the position. Yeah. Especially if he was a. D I think I can't remember how old he was, but he was young. Yeah, he was young when he met Bunte and he's a heroin addict. I'm not saying it's fine. Yeah. But I'm saying he's a young kid who's a heroin addict whose stepfather has come in and groomed him into being like, you can be part of my Yeah. Which actually, and John Bunting is obviously the ringleader. I don't think Wagner had any problem with doing any of the shit that he was doing though I think those two specifically, they were just out for blood. Yeah. They just were sadistic and absolutely lost. Yeah. And they just managed to find each other. But that's it. That is the Snowtown murders. That's it. Yeah. Is that all? That's it. Give me more. Yeah, I'm sorry. I reckon I probably could. Yeah. Like I reckon there's so much more about that. Yeah. There's probably so much, so many more connections. Probably a lot of terrible detail about what they did. Yeah. I think you gave. You gave us a clear enough Yeah. I thought I'll give you the highlights of a horrible one. Yeah. To really understand how fucking feral these people were to, to what they did. Yeah. But I did not want to have to repeat that over and over and over again. Of course. Yeah. That is more than fair enough. And thank you. Yeah. So that's it. This is gonna be a big meet you one. Yeah. But that's good. Meaty boy. We're back. We're doing it. Yep. We're back. Better than ever last. Good to know that we can do seven pages, about an hour and a half. Yeah. We can Slightly quicker. Yeah. But the next one the next one, two patha. Yeah, we think so. We do. Although that was seven pages. No, mine's 11 or 12. Yeah. Which makes sense. Yeah. Or splitter. That does feel about right. And it'll probably make what, two 40 minutes? Do. Yeah. Two 50 minute episodes maybe. Yeah. Okay. Thanks guys. Yeah. Tell me about that whirlwind, but I'm so fascinated and I'm just very grateful. Yeah. It was fucking kind. Yeah. Thanks for going through all of that chaotic research. Yeah. It's why I've been like fucking deciphering those notes for his like days and then like literally was writing up, up until Amy arrived to my house tonight. She ran out of a meeting earlier and was like, yeah, I must go. I've got to go home. I home decipher. Yeah. Yeah. I found out I had a meeting and I was like, I had to be at work like an hour longer and I was like, fuck, I've gotta do my notes. Yeah. No, you did really well, but, and I actually kept up, but thank fuck for this notepad. I would've, I think if I don't, if I can't see things, I zone, not as zone out because I'm listening to you, but. Names are just like a difficult one. I knew this was gonna be a tricky one and we probably needed a bit of a visual aid. Yes.'cause this has really helped Jesus. But yeah, I think maybe we should put that on the Instagram. Yeah. Get my snotty tissues up. Yeah. We never really put like photos and stuff, but actually maybe that's something we'll start doing. Like alongside the episode cover. Yeah. That'd be cute. But I suppose maybe. Yeah, I don't know. It might be nice to change up the Instagram, isn't it? Yeah. But maybe we need a better picture than this. We'll take a good picture. We'll figure it out. 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