The Montauk Project

Pack your bags... we’re heading to the far end of Long Island, where conspiracy theories get very strange, very fast.

This week we’re diving into the Montauk Project. The alleged secret experiments, the underground base beneath Camp Hero, the supposed mind-control tests, time travel claims, and yes… even the stories about opening portals to other dimensions.

Depending on who you ask, it’s either one of the wildest conspiracy theories ever told or one of the strangest secret-government stories that refuses to die. Along the way we’ll get into the origins of the myth, the people who claim they were involved, and how this whole thing spiralled into tales that are… let’s just say, extremely weird.

Think psychic soldiers, memory wipes, mysterious creatures, and a rabbit hole that only gets stranger the deeper you go.

So grab a drink, settle in, and prepare yourself, because this episode gets weird. Like really weird.

Transcript

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Welcome to Kill the Mood Podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything. Spooky Doy. We are not professionals and we mean no offense in anything we say. This is just us trying to make sense of the senseless. Without further ado, this week's case is. The Montauk projects. Yes. And we have to say, sorry. You don't have to, we have to say sorry. No, I'm apologizing for fucking off last week. Oh my God. Yeah. We don't have to say sorry. You gonna say about whatever this is about to No. Yeah. I'm sorry for what's coming away. We were literally just having this whole conversation because we really enjoy doing this, but we are also both working full time and there are some weeks where we are on nothing but opposite shifts, and then it's like really tiring and there is so much going on, and like work is really busy and we are really tired and life is really busy, but you're like dragging yourself into work every day anyway. Yeah. And then it's oh, see you. I go, you stay. I go yeah, that just said the same thing. But that's how it feels. It just feels like ships in the night. Yes. But also very tired. Very tired. And every waiting moment feels like we're at work. So like it's just been a, it's been a moment. Yeah. And we, like times come in, we were panicking and then we were both just look, we are just gonna have to accept that Since we started it in October, we hadn't managed to we hadn't fallen off. Yeah. We managed to stay on top of it no matter how close to the bone it sometimes was. Yeah. And I also knew it was coming because in the last couple of episodes we've been recording, like the day before and editing the night of Yeah. And we've been cutting it like really close. Yeah. And I think we just needed it. Like we needed a week off because we need to not be worried about it. Not that this is like a worry, but we were just both getting really stressed and we both kept being like, when are we gonna fit it? And blah, blah, blah. And then we were just like. We are not tied to this. Like we want to be consistent and we want to keep doing it and we love doing it, but don't beat yourself up too much. But it's not paying the bills, so unfortunately it, it has to drop. I know, but when we need to drop, we were saying, so we were like fuming at work because we were just like, yeah. This stupid job getting in the wear their favorite time to hang out with each other. Yeah. But yeah. At the end of the day, if something's gotta give, it can't be the thing that pays bills. It can't be the thing that pays the bills, unfortunately. As much as I'm sure we would like to. Yeah. So yeah, we are sorry about that. We are sorry. I think if I could go back to when we first started, I would probably say before you start the podcast. Oh, research at least like 10 cases. Yeah. Have them ready and then every week like try to keep adding to the bank on top. But then do you think we would've just let them run dry? Oh yeah. Absolutely. We would've just been like. Oh, this week's a little bit inconvenient, so we're not too organized. Girlies is a problem. Dip into the pot there and all of a sudden our piggy bank is everything and then we start like borrowing from each other. Can I take that case? No, I'll take that one. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. Anyway, so And that's the problem, isn't it? Not problem, but like just blind reading. You a case that you researched, you're pretending that you've never heard. I've never heard it before. But that's the thing is also because we tell each other a story. It's not like we've got the joy of having a week off. Yeah, you do have a week off, but you're not like, you're not doing it together. Yeah. So you're not like half putting the I know that was something that we were like, it's just off the cards for us to be able to like, I'd like to do a big one like Jeffrey Epstein, like when we together Yeah. Sit down. We could do that together and we could be like sharing, telling you guys that case, but. We were just like, we can't do it together because we are not together enough. No. Without having a job. Yeah. Unless we literally start doing it work, start. That is the, where we spend company time. Yeah. That's where we spend majority of our time together. Yeah. So that is the difficulty is like, and yeah, as I said, shifts, so it is difficult because that we don't have a set pattern. Yeah. Like it's all over the place. And there are, and have been in the last couple weeks where we literally don't seem to be on the same shift at any point. And then if we do get like a restful evening, it's usually because it's St. Patrick's Day next week we wanna hang out with our Irish bestie. Yeah. We spend a lot of time where we do things with Tom and stuff. Yeah. And it's if all of our time was spent us researching together, we would a, spend far too much time with each other and B, we wouldn't spend any time with anyone else and do the fun things that we wanna do. So it's fine. But yeah, just finding that time to. Something researched and get together and get it recorded and get it edited just last week. It just could not happen. It couldn't, and like it was it, to be fair, like Amy tried to hold on and I was like, we're let it go. Let it go. I was like, I think we just need to, I think we just need to call it this week. We can't really quiet. I was like, this is yeah. She was like, this cannot be the start of the end. And I was like, it's not the start of the end. I was like, but we're running ourselves ragged trying to find a way to make sure that we can do it. We were literally like, you finish work at eight and then I'll drive to you and we'll meet up and then we'll record and we'll try to record two and then at 1:00 AM yeah. Will put it out. And then it's but both of us have work at eight 30 the next morning. Like it's, it was just. There was just no feasible way. Anyway, that's six minutes of us also apologizing. It does. So like actually get over it now. I was gonna say, and what it's done is it means that we could go away and come back and really come back with height of, except I haven't done any research, so we don't have a second episode and Amy's is diabolical. Get stuck in. That's it. We hope you forgive us in this whole eight minutes waffle that we've just given you. Yeah. Sorry. And if you skipped it fuck you. So I'm doing the Montauk project this. Took a turn. When I was researching it, I was really determined to like, also we have to say sorry if you are one of our true time, true crime girlies true time. True time, true crime, girlies coming back to listen to a great true crime story.'cause that ain't fucking it. There's, we left you last week and this week you are getting a different kind of story. Yeah. This is a conspiracy theory. Yeah. It's, there's literally no physical tangible evidence that this is real. It's all just hearsay, which I love. We, nothing if not a bit of a gossip. Yeah. This specific project is actually what Hawkins Lab in Stranger Things is based off. Oh, okay. Not that we care about Stranger Things. No, we don't. Yeah. That's just like where I realize, wanted to look into it because I was like, I would've yeah, I was gonna say I would've thought what's the, we talked about it on the pod before. MK Ultra. MK Ultra, yes. I knew MK Ultra. This is very, there's lots of links to MK Ultra. There's lots of questions about whether it's like a drift off from Mkt Ultra from CIA, like Yeah. Whether it's just another thing, one of the labs participating potentially. Yeah. I think there's definitely truth to some of it, but I don't know. I've actually had that Lucas Aid sat next to, it's been here for months. Yeah. It's actually disgusting. Maybe it's got little, you've got like little TAs in there now. Oh. It's growing its own little ecosystem. Eca. My French used to only drink. Drinks that weren't in the fridge and we used to call it lukewarm age and it just came, like literally came back to me. She would just never have a cold fizzy drink, but she'd always have a Luke age and we'd always be like, you got warm age. I actually hate that'cause I couldn't imagine anything worse than a warm Luke age. I know. Yeah. It was really good. I don't want that. I think it's'cause it had been in her car fridges or something. She was like, I'm still gonna drink it. And we were all like lukewarm fit with the lukewarm day. So funny. This has claimed to have happened between January and 1971 and August, 1983. So it's lots of different events. It's in one place and it's just like an ongoing. Project that Okay. Yeah. That there's no real like evidence. So that's just when apparently, that is, that does tend to be the case with the conspiracy. Like it, if there was hard evidence, it wouldn't be called a conspiracy. Yes. Also, because it's supposed to be a government CIA coverup. Okay. It's very likely that there wouldn't be any evidence left behind anyway. So you can see why people are like so adamant that it's real. Yes. Okay. I think. I don't know if I should give you my opinions now. We'll go through. Okay. We'll see. So I'm not sure what's going on yet, if I'm honest.'cause I don't know what it is. Oh, you have and I have not. It's not got any clearer since you've started speaking. Yeah. I also wanted to just tell everyone that I watched a documentary what was it called? Let me see. The Montauk Chronicles on Amazon Prime. It was the weirdest thing I've ever watched. It was over two hours long, so I thought this was gonna be like full of insight, full of information. I thought it was gonna be like, really? Apparently it's won an award as well. This, yeah. But have you ever watched like the Oscars or something had been like, the fuck are they talking about? Yeah. Who cares about that? Yeah. I think maybe like for acting. Okay. Oh, the documentary. Yeah. Like I'm saying that the people that were doing the acting in the dock were like the like interludes. Yeah, fair. Like the cut scenes, whatever was going on, it was so weird. Something else that really fucked me off about it as well is they have like obviously because they're trying, the whole thing is like they're trying to piece together the puzzle of what happened and they have a jigsaw for the whole like playing clips of this jigsaw and they put the wrong fucking peace in a piece. Okay. And it just annoyed me so much. Okay.'cause I was like, don't do that. Not on purpose. They weren't saying, oh this is just joint. They weren't being like, oh, it was the wrong piece. Like they were just like showing this like weird eerie clip of them, like clicking in a jigsaw piece. And I was like, that's not the right fucking piece. That doesn't fit. Yeah. And I was pissed off right from the start, to be honest. And the reason why this doc is so long is because they, one of them says one sentence oh, and then I was like, it was a massive coverup and there was loads of torture. And then it would just be like this no joke, like one minute long clip of some alien finger coming in and being like, and then pressing this button. And then someone going, and Amy told me this earlier and I went fake footage. And then I was like, wait, no. Obviously. Yeah, yeah, of course it's fake. I will literally show you a clip of it because it was, I was ju I was like watching it, like what was going on and then it was playing like old war timey like music. Oh. And then it would I'd skip it like by the end I was skipping through these like stupid things of like roses, blood all over them. And then and then he'd just say something else and I'd be like, that wasn't even a sentence. So what I thought was me getting a lot of information was actually just a really long alien home movie. A weird like alien thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's really strange. Like mockumentary felt like a mockumentary. Yeah. And then they started talking about aliens and I was like, oh God, we have really gone so. We set the scene in America 125 miles. Makes sense. Imagine. 125 miles east of New York City is Montauk and its name was inherited from the Mon tot Indians who were settlers there for 4,000 years. It is basically a military area, like it's quite a small village. But it did have beaches, so it's seasonal. So back in wartime it was like just used for like military base and stuff like that. Okay. But also it was just like now people would come and go to the beach in the summer, but basically it just means that it's derelict in the winter. Like it's just like a. Yeah, everywhere that, like everywhere in Cornwall because just everyone clears out as soon as it gets to winter. Exactly. And I think it was just quite a off grid sort of area. If you weren't if you weren't on the beach in the summer, you just didn't really know what was going on. Yeah. Fair enough. So this is where Camp Hero Air Force Base is built. Apparently it was originally called Fort Hero and it was built in 1942. It is an A-N-F-P-S 35 Radar Tower. And it was used in the second World War. Apparently there's only 12 of these radar. The, this thing that I showed you at the start this radar thing. Okay. Yeah. So this is the base. It looks like, did you ever play Sims on PSP? The PlayStation portable, like the little, what's the name? And the Sims game on PSP was absolutely iconic. Was it the one that you like started off in a haunted house and you have to like, help feed the spirit and then you go outside and zombies are like roaming the graveyard and stuff, and then you like go through different towns and there's a, and then you get to the next town and there's like a werewolf running through and you have to figure out who the werewolf is and they're coming from the lab and it looks like that. I've completely forgotten about that. Nice. It have, I just unlocked that memory for you. Anyone else have I unlocked the memory for you? Because that was like the best Sims game and I love Sims for what it is, but Oh my god. Yeah. Sims on PSP was literally everything. That's, you left my brain and then as you were saying it, I just could remember. Yeah. I mean I don't remember that part, but I do remember, and I feel like at some point you have to you like tase the werewolf. But yeah, to figure out it out, I can't remember but it's it's got such a good story. Yeah. It's so weird. Like it's I loved it. We need, I've always think like about games that I used to have on like my Ds or on any kind of Game Boy or anything that are like real odd. You want them back? Yeah. That are like really good. I now I've got this urge to buy A PSP. If you can even, I'm sure you can, but get a PSP and try and find the sims. Yeah, because,'cause I'd literally kill to play that game. I used to have all these like Disney Princess. Games, but they, you like had, what the fuck? So it was all the Disney princesses and you paid different levels of them, like fighting. Okay. So it sounds, I don't think I ever said that bad. You basically go and get the coins if you were like Ariel or whatever. But then by like in the next one you'd have to fight someone and then you'd have to fight the ULA of her name was at the end. And then the last level was really hard. Ah, the first one of Cinderella, you'd just be like cleaning the floor and then the cat would be like fucking pissing everywhere and you'd just be like cleaning the floor. But by the end you had to fight the queen. And it was just like, oh my gosh. It was really hard. And I remember one time we'd got on a really long flight and I'd done the whole of all of it except for the hardest level of this thing. And I turned it off and when I turned it back on, all my dates been lost. Oh no. That would literally, I think my game got corrupted for my on PSP, my Sims game. I think that's how mine died. And I remember finding it, the PSP and the game. Like years later. Yes. And trying to play it and being so fucking angry that I could not get onto it. Yeah. Because the same, my other one, it's such an as it's white whale, isn't it? That's what they call it. Yeah. When it's like some, yeah. My, my other one is the SpongeBob Squarepants game. Yeah. Movie game on PS two. I, mine is the Incredibles game in P two. And you could you were like stood on the roof, so but yeah. Oh my god. So good. So good. Anyway, sorry. We way off Loved it. Pace loved it. I was trying to explain in one of those games in my family group chat the other day about how it was the toy story one where, you know, and they all crossed the road and they've got cones on their head. And the second one, yeah, you have to get to the toy barn or whatever. And they're all crossing the road. And I, it was on the TV in the background and I was like, oh, just unlocked the memory and remember the game, you having to do that. And everyone in my group chat was like, what the fuck are you talking about? But I remember anyway, yeah so these radar towers, there was only 12 of them built in the US at the time and they were basically used to alert US cities if like a Soviet or like aircraft from elsewhere Yeah. Was landing on American shores. Apparently it was like that radar tower was like still activated, but all the rest of them had been deactivated. Okay. So that's why I think they were using that Air Force base. Because the radar tower is important. Okay. Which we'll get to. Do you know what I mean? Not really, but Yeah. And we'll get to it and we'll get to it, I'm sure. We'll so there's huge conspiracy theories about this specific area being used as an undercover base for the Monto project, which was a government mind control base where young boys were tested on aiming to create control over time, mind and space. Oh yeah. Oh, I don't, oh, okay. This is real weird. Yeah. Okay. So they would take for what reason? To make soldiers. Yeah. So basically to, yeah. I'm sure it was to have complete control over someone's mind. Yeah. And I think to be able to click a button and people just do what you'd tell'em to do. Yeah. I assume because it's supposed to be like sleeper agents. Yeah. It's supposed to be the government that are. Performing this like this is because of them. They're doing it in like a war sense. If this is true, if this is something that nations were trying to do you not think does that, if that came out that countries were actually trying to create mindless human beings to just carry out, whatever they choose, whenever they choose, does that, is that not proof at how genuinely evil the system is? Yeah.'cause that is, there is no need. There is no need to strip someone of their identity or emotion as a human being to get them to do some genuinely, unless it's something atrocious. Yeah. And even without this working, what they're doing to get there, yeah. Is already atrocious. Yeah. Inhumane. It's fucked as fuck. But the fact that. It's also so that they can have complete control over the mind and also then time travel and all of this like really outlandish stuff. Yeah. But like the fact that you want to be able to completely control a human being, which, like with technology now it is so interesting because I don't know how to explain it, but I completely believe a lot of these things have happened. Some of it is like a bit too out there for me. Yeah. But I think it's people that were really fucked up. That loss. I think it's probably the no, like no smoke without fire. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that it's like entirely true, but it comes from somewhere. Yeah. Doesn't it? So yeah. I think like there can be nuggets of truth in this. Farfetched story. Yeah. Because like MK Ultra, like it's the same way and that's what conspiracies tend to do. Yeah. Like it tends to be blown massively out of proportion. Yeah, exactly. Like some of the things as far as the people in the dock were going, I was like, I just can't believe that you went to mass. I'm sorry. I just can't, I can't I refuse to acknowledge that part of the story? You can't convince me that happened, but there's other things that I'm like, but what you were being tortured, pumped full of LSD and then tried to, and now you think that aliens did it. Yeah. Yeah. Can see that fair. Can see that fair play and to someone did that to you. Yeah. So yeah, it's we'll see. We'll go on this. We'll, okay. The government would essentially around Montauk, New York, things like that, they would take young boys who had ran away from home sex workers, homeless, poor, like any kind of lost kids. And in the doc they do talk about it being specific genetics that match whatever they're looking for, but they didn't really give an example of that. I think it's just like the idea is they wouldn't be missed and they're young and it's important that they're young because they feel more fear. Yeah. And yeah. And if no one would notice, they'd gone, no one would. It feels easier to manipulate the mind of someone who hasn't had years to figure out who they are. Or what they believe or, yeah, exactly. Exactly. They're just gonna assume that's their fate now as, yeah. I hate to call a child a blank slate, but Yeah. What's the blank? Stupid in the blankest you're gonna get? There are theories that the people that are doing this one of the, one of the main ones that we'll talk about is that it's scientists from Germany that had actually ended up in Brookhaven National Laboratories after the war. Yeah. That is like the guy that did all the testing on the twins. Yes. So post-war. They never made it to the Nuremberg Trials, which was the post-war trials where Nazi leaders were held accountable for their war crimes. After Germany lost. So these people had managed to escape their fate that way and they'd hidden away in these laboratories and they were scientists and they were supposed to be like there is a lot of belief, some a belief. And I dunno how true any of it is. I dunno. But that, that, that is what happens is that they were. But they were given asylum because they were, yeah, they bypassed because they were potentially of use. Yes. And because they're scientists and whatever they were testing on or they were thinking they could work out, it was like, maybe it's better to just keep you under the radar somewhere where you can Yeah. Keep doing what works out for us. So they went straight to this lab in New York. They got back to work and they were under the radar for 20 years or so. And the theory was that then they were kicked out by Congress after these 20 years. So I dunno, whatever it was they were doing that maybe Congress was like, you're not valuable to us anymore, or whatever's going on is too suss. Yeah. Also you might find, might think that maybe they didn't make a lot of progress in 20 years. Yeah. Yes. It's been a long time. They were. Yeah. And then apparently they found camp Hero, air Force Base. That was like derelict, but then the radar tower was still going or whatever. And they moved in there. But this was under the radar, which I think they called it in the dock, a black secret project. Okay. So I think it means like big, like nobody knows. Not really. Yeah. It's Congress knew about these scientists Yes. And booted them out. They went somewhere else where no one knew where they were and they just started again. Which then means that you can get away with doing whatever you want because no one that, I guess that's if I say this. And I'm wrong. People are gonna think I'm a fucking idiot. But it's, isn't it that a bit like the Manhattan projects, like when they built the atomic bomb, like they literally built a city in the desert away from everybody else because it was top top top secret. Exactly. Exactly. I dunno if it would've been like, yeah, the, because that is exactly what was going down. It was like there's, these people have to live, but they can't live anywhere where anyone knows what they're doing. So move them. Start. That is what happened. I've watched the film. Oh yeah. I forget about that. They go Heim, don't they? I literally just Googled Manhattan. Nice. Maybe she is an idiot. No, it is. Yeah, that's right. That is what it's called. Yeah. Manhattan Project yeah. It's very off grid. Off grid. Very quiet, very don't say anything about whatever's going on in there. And also this radar tower is like out the way. Like it's not it's just yeah, but that's where the weather like kind of middle of nowhere vibe. And also that it's all underground. So you go into this place and then it's like lower floors. Yeah. So like you could be maneuvering in there and you're not like wandering around outside and no one's gonna drive past and see Yeah. And be like, what are they up to? Yeah. Yes. So on the dock there was three men specifically that go through their memories that they believe can give insight into what happened in the Army Air Force all those years ago. So they're the only, is it fair of me to ask how many teeth they have between them? One of them has not. One of them look. Absolutely fine mate. Oh, okay. He's chilling. Like he is one of the kids that said that he was tortured in it. Okay. And the other two are people that were like the programmers they were like working to they, they were the engineers. Okay. That are working on the technology that was used to try and get whatever they're trying to go, so two of them are like super old and just and then one of them's I was tortured, and everyone's oh fuck. Who? Yeah. So it is, yeah, I'm just gonna talk about them and what they say because I just, I can't go down another Reddit thread about that. Tell, yeah, tell me. Yeah. So Preston Nichols, he was one of the program directors. He thinks that aliens gave us. The technology that they used. He also wrote and published a book called The Montauk Projects, an Experiment in Time. This book talks about him regaining his memories that had been wiped by the government about what happened within these projects. Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been abducted and abused by the Montauk Project Proprietors. And Alfred Baic claims that he was a program director for the Montauk projects, and he also had his memory completely stolen from him. My question is how do you know? How do you know that? Yeah. I feel like we've already reached a hole in the story. There is they, the guy that wrote the book explains how all of his memories came back and how he was Okay. So he returned to Yeah. To also helping, but it is a wild ride. So you've fallen hit his head and then it all just came down, one of those classic little tropes. Yeah. The alien came down, we touched fingers, transferred all of my memories. Yes. So they can't provide any tangible evidence, so it's really hard for people to leave. No. And the timeframes are really horrible, but it's for me because it's over 13 years. Yeah. And they, all those three people are there at the fall of it. Yeah. So they're there for the end at the end. I don't know. I think. They, because their memories are so mashed up, they don't know because they can't remember. Yeah, they can't remember. But they do know enough to tell you. That they were there, but I can't remember that I was there. Yeah. And it's like the tangible evidence, like they can't even say, oh, I started working there on this day and I stopped working there on this day. And it's okay, to be fair, that to somewhat is maybe evidence that they had their memory taken. Oh, maybe we should remove our memory because gee, okay. Yeah. So let's start with Preston Nichols. So he wrote this book, and it was published in 1992. He says in the doc that he's like a really smart boy with the craziest high IQ ever that was taken, like to work on the engineering side of their testing machinery. So he's I'm an engineer. I'm so smart. I'm literally a genius. Yeah. I'm a genius and that's why they must have taken me because like I'm so smart that I would be able to break the void between times. And he's not the one that was kidnapped. He was a programmer. No, he's a programmer. Fine. He is also Preston, come on, Preston Nichols. Slow it down. Maybe you don't have to. You don't have to. Like You don't have to do that. Yeah, you're doing a bit too much. Literally, he's just they wanted me because I have a 200 plus iq, and I was like, did they take that with your memory? Also he is really giving like a Boris Johnson esque, like talks the talk Okay. Says the big boy words. But when you actually break down the sentence, there's not a lot of like content, what he just said. Yeah. What did you just say? Okay. Like the only, the guy that said that he was kidnapped as a boy. He's actually telling like what happened to him step by step. Whereas this guy is yeah, but what were you doing in your day to day? Yeah. Okay. And he's just saying we were getting breaking the void, man. We were just like getting there to the time and space and time continuum. Do you know what I mean? He sounds like someone who's just here for a day out. Yeah. He's, I think he's been on like a few conspiracy theory. Frails. I. So he would be testing the mind after intense torture and apparently working out all the fractions of the mind to create clear programming. I'd also like to say, if this is true, it's not painting a very good picture of you, Preston. I know you sound like a bad person. I know. Like he, he does later on say that he was like, taken and then threatened Okay. And said, you have to do it. This is my gun and yeah, she's holding up a gun at me. You have to do it. Bang back. And to quote him, he, the torture is, the program he's trying to do is to remove the trauma block. I dunno. Sorry. At to, so they what? Feel it so they remember it. So he was saying he would be creating a code that you would trigger within a person that has lost all sense of themselves to aim, to take control of their mind. So they would, so basically what would happen is these kids would've been tortured and they would've been drugged, and they would've been like, all of this like really nasty stuff, terrible stuff. And then they would've been like, strapped down onto a table and then I assume electrocuted. And they would put like specific smells and repetitive voices in the room to try and create like triggers. Yeah. So almost trying to like, it would be like, everything's gonna be okay. Just listen to my voice. Where you hypnotize a person basically into being able to control them. Okay. And you've done it because they're at such a weak point that they're in that void between like life and death. What is wrong with humanity? I know. And that apparently. Have you ever tried just fucking asking, have you thought about that? Lemme tell you Gila, because later this guy's I actually went to the boss and was like, couldn't we just ask if people want to voluntarily do this test stuff? And I was just there. Like I, I didn't mean the torture, I meant just asking people to do things, but Yeah. Fine. I was like, you can't ask the CIA that are literally torturing people in a basement to be like, have you ever thought, have you thought about consent? Yeah. What are all of you doing? It just doesn't, yeah. So he's saying that's what he was working on, the engineering to try and hypnotize a person in that, between conscious and unconscious state to be able to gain control of their mind. How? I don't know. I don't know, but that's what his thought. I actually do see the thought process in it to strip a human being. I just don't think like it's a good idea. No. Like I, I don't, I'm wondering where their first example of, you know what? We need someone so fucking traumatized. Yeah. That they're willing to do anything. Exactly. Like the trauma block, it's you're getting to a person that's so on the brink of death that they care for nothing anymore. Nothing, nothing. And no one. And later it talks about scaring them so much that you could take the fear like the adrenaline chrome or whatever it is Yeah. Out of them. And what use it to control other people through fear. It is, it's so mindbogglingly boggling. Boly bog, bogglingly. Stupid though. Yeah, because I just, I also. How do you then control somebody who has gone to the depths of fear? There's nothing left of them. Yeah, because you don't control them with fear, so how do you control them? Yeah. I just'cause it's unless you make a mindless zombie, which you know, you can't even traumatizing someone to the you, you either traumatize them to the point of being fucking catatonic. So useless. Yeah. Or they're still in control of their faculties and able to act like a human being. And then that person is, regardless of how traumatized still thinking and feeling and now what got no fear. Yeah. Because you've literally ruined I dumb fucking dumb. Yeah. It is so out there like they're saying this is why they did this. Like they're obviously saying t torturing people's bad, but this is why they were doing it. And have you never seen any fucking film in 20 years, they're gonna come back and they're gonna skin you alive. Exactly. Like shit. No dumb. Anyway, sorry. That's my rant about that over. I've also read in a different article that, because obviously a lot of people died from this No. Yeah. Because they were like pushing them to the brink of death and then extracting something from their brain. Yeah. The alien side of it that's coming out trying to create a pheromone, she had it. They're saying that there is theories that because the aliens were giving them this technology to be able to control the mind and control time. What these people were giving in return was the bodies for them to consume. They're aliens. Sorry, one Whose theories are they? Two. I'm just welcoming all the theories at this point. What do you mean? They're giving you the technology to control the mind Because it just sounds like you're strapping kids to a table, beating the shit out of them then saying, look at the control we have. Yeah. And then it's literally no one is getting up. What technology? What technology are we talking about? No one's getting up and doing what you've expected them to do as well. They are just dying. Yeah. And what do you mean you are? You are coding. What are you coding? So where's the code going? How are you using it? Because you are just beating the shit out of children. It that makes no sense. Yeah. He was like, I would be creating a code. And they're like what code? And he's like a code. What's his name? Spencer. I've forgotten it. Preston. Preston. Preston. You are a liar. It's literally you're a liar oh, honestly. Basically Absolutely. Just some crazy time. Yeah. So this guy Preston Yes. Is also the reason why all of this gets bought up in the first place, like coming back to you. He's the whistleblower. Yeah. So this is so after all, except he didn't remember. This is how he remembers. Okay. Everyone's minds have been wiped and everything, so it's 1984 at this point. Okay. And like the whole project is done. Everyone's walked away. Yeah. Or not the kids that didn't, but everybody else has walked away. Yeah. Not like a hundred thousand people or however many. Do you know generally how many people survived it? Is that something you have? Yeah. You don't have to tell me now. I just mean like you, I think, I think all of them give a ballpark of what they think. Oh, great. But there was just no evidence about any of this. And it just, but it is 13 years, so it is not unimaginable. Okay. But it's, yeah. We'll see. Yeah. So it is 1984 and Preston is like fucking about with his electromagnetic engineering life and he is following some sound waves or whatever. And they, these waves lead him to the camp here at Air Force Base and apparently he's never been there before in his whole life as far as he's aware, but something in the waves, a calling, something in the waves, something in the electromagnetic waves of calling him to this place, which is obviously the aliens. Exactly. Yeah. And he finds this random homeless guy just hanging out underground because he like climbs in there and is I'm gonna find whatever this is, and they start chatting. Always a good source. Always trust. Just random people hiding on the ground all the time. Yeah. Trust your homeless morman. So then he, so this guy, they start chatting, this guy tells him that he used to work at the base and he had been involved in an undercover testing program that had gone horribly wrong. And then he told Nichols that he had also worked there. You worked here too. He was like, I worked here. You worked here. We all worked here. He's wait a second. You worked in a second. Part of me keeps me like, Tanisha, you cannot be this rude about And then you say something else you know how this man got his memory back? A mole man that was living in the facility that they used to work in told them, I used to work there. He's and guess what? So did you two. And he was like, oh my God, the block's gone. My memory's back. He's what? Me? No. And Preston, who's got a 200 IQ or whatever it is, he says, you know what, man? True. Yeah, true. Yeah. The waves brought me here, so they must have known that I needed to speak to you. Then he goes and gets a psychic named Duncan Cameron, and they both go down there together. And when Cameron gets down there, apparently he starts just like walking through the building, like he knows which way and left turns and whatever, and he takes, nichols to the room where the, like the actual transmitting like room basically where the electric chair was and where okay, where they do these like big, like magical oh this is where we're gonna get in contact with the aliens and stuff like that. He just took him straight to this room and was like, this is where it all happened. And then they get in there and apparently Cameron just like completely like just switches off and then he just starts coming out with all of this detailed information about all of their time spent there. And this psychic was also down there apparently, and was like involved as well. And he's what are the chances that I just bought my friend who's a psychic down here? And actually you were part of it as well. How many of us are all part of this thing? And then the mental block apparently is lifted and all of their memories start coming back. And Sorry, can we just clarify that every, so whoever put the block in place, whoever took their memory was like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna put a wall up. And they'll never break through it unless they come back, unless they step foot in this room and then gone. Even though they literally, essentially the CIA or the government, or like whoever this is, or the aliens they believe. In signs and waves and time travel Yeah. And all of this stuff. And they never just thought, they thought, no fucking way. Why didn't I? And also the mental block back at the place where they were, because we've wiped their memories and there's no way that fate or magic might bring them back there. There's just no way. Yeah. It's very interesting. And this is how they remember everything. And apparently then they worked together to deprogram their minds. So all of their memories had returned. That's his story. Yes. Stewart Swerdlow. This is the only person, the kid Yeah. That I actually am like, yep. I believe I'm, I said as we started, no Smoke without Fire. Like I'm sure there are bits of this I, Preston. No. Yeah, no. Preston. Yeah. I am not going to tolerate that as a story. I cannot abide it. Also, what I am about to tell you is also wild. It is fine. So it's just but he just, the way he explains his trauma and, you can imagine him as a young boy going through being pumped with LSD and just being like a subject of it. Yeah. And it just sounds really horrible for him. And he's, he also believes in aliens and stuff. Listen, I am actually, as much as I'm sure there's episode does not seen it, I actually don't disbelieve in them. Yeah. I just don't believe in them. Like the probing coming to earth Yeah. Vibe. I don't believe that, but and there are stories of things that I think are unusual and unexplained. Yeah. I'm just saying this is a bunch of bullshit. That was a bunch of bullshit. Haven't heard the rest yet. Yeah. So Stuart Swerdlow, he grew up in Long Island. And around 1970, the family took holiday to Montauk and he was a little kid. He did, does say in the documentary that he's had a horrible life. There was no happiness in his life at all. He'd always have nightmares, he'd always be screaming in the night. And he said he could always see things and that things would take him places in the night and stuff. Okay. So I think already he probably has not good stuff. Yeah. Some sort of, schizophrenia or something. Schizophrenia like that. Yeah. His version of the events is that the government would take him away at night in the form of an alien abduction at the start. Okay. But then he said that whatever tests were being performed on him, he thinks they would bend time because when he would return home, it would've sometimes only been a night, but he could remember. A really long period of time of things happening to him. See, this is the problem because like you, you are never gonna tell a story where my brain doesn't say that sounds like psychosis. Yeah I'm not saying it didn't happen. And I, yeah, I just, it's really difficult, isn't it? Because something like that can be explained away by psychosis. Exactly. And if he as a person has been through some terrible things, there could be a lot of elements of truth. Yeah. To the stories he's telling. And there are things that the brain does to protect itself. The stories it weaves to explain what happened or to try to explain what happened. Yes. Because it could be someone that has always had psych, some form of like psychosis. Psychosis, yeah. But it also could be someone that had been tortured and. Been made to keep it a secret. And had a lot of drugs. We know things like MK Ultra and parts True. Like it, it's not, it, not lamb. Say it's not. And also stuff like that. Fuck with people's memory. Yeah, exactly. But absolutely fuck with people's memory saying. So he was convinced it had been weeks and weeks within the experiment that was kept down and tortured and stuff. And then they'd put him back and he'd be in his bed as if nothing had ever happened. Yes. But he says that when he was down there, he'd been abducted by the project to test on. He said he'd often be taken into a room that was completely empty and isolated and he was hit with poles and tortured by men. Sometimes they looked like soldiers, but sometimes they'd just look like normal people. But they were always men. Always bird. Always men. It is always men, isn't it? They would also apparently hold kids underwater to talk to them, to the point of them reaching in between consciousness. They would drug them with LSD and other drugs. They would beat them and they would push people to try and shatter the mind and see what could be achieved to break the psyche. Yeah. I don't doubt that feels fair. Yeah. I'm There's nothing in that screams moleman. No. And it seems someone's trying to get on a bandwagon with Preston Nichols. Like he's trying to be like because Preston Nichols isn't the first person ever to yeah. To talk about it. There's been hearsay about it since way back when it first started and stuff. There's been like rumors and there's been old wives tales and whatever, and it had always been a thing. He was just the first person to come forward and say that he was in it. Yeah. And. And that he remembers everything. Whereas this guy is I remember fragments of things. I remember being tortured. I remember being drugged. I remember not knowing what time of day it was or anything. And I think because of what they were trying to achieve down there and him having to be exposed to it, if it's true that's probably why he believes in aliens. So they're saying, yeah, it fills in the gaps. It, it fits with your narrative if that's what you've been being fed based on mad drugs. I don't doubt that's a possibility. I don't understand the putting the kids back in their beds. Yeah. So because it feels like you'd want them isolated to have no idea who they are out of fear. And then what, they're just going back to their family homes and going about their death. And what I don't understand is like most of these kids died. He's saying most of these kids died. He said in out of the massive number that we'll talk about 1% of them actually made it out. So why? And then their memories were white. But he seems, but why to be saying that. Get put back in his bed and then just have a normal day and then go back to it. But I don't know if his head is just fucking short. Yeah. But then why are there not like hundreds of thou, I dunno how many people we're talking about, but why are there not loads and loads of missing? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Missing boys around this time. Yeah. From this area. Or like maybe they were smart enough to go to other areas, but I dunno, it just feels like also there's not like record of lots of people, like you say, going missing around that time. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like you would think it was across 13 years a if a lot of them were dying, that's still, yeah. I dunno. I dunno. But maybe there is, maybe it's lots of missing PE person reports and it's from lots of different places. Yeah. And it's over 13 years. I suppose it You are gonna have to tell me how many people they're saying. So one of them says 300,000 over 13 years we used in the project. 10,000 at Montauk itself specifically. Okay. That actually isn't that many. Yeah. Bail says minimum 10,000. Maximum a hundred thousand. But this is just what the three men in the documentary say. That's not that many. That is 769 ish a year. A year. That is an awful lot of kids. Yeah. And like they're going everywhere. Like around. Yeah, everywhere apparently. But like they're saying the main areas is like New York. How many like, how many people would die year? How many young? When was this? It was in seventies. Yeah, so I think they were saying that they take people from like New York and surrounding areas, but they'd just take people from anywhere, because like if 700 people are going missing in New York every single year, you'd think someone was like, where are all of this? I just dunno. Okay. That said 1.5 million, but that's kids fucking, yeah. That cannot be the case. That's a lot of fucking kids to go missing in the seventies. Seventies is fucked. Yeah. Approximately 840,000 children are reported missing each year. That's the closest thing I can get. Yeah, it's. So 769 kids in one year might not be, that might not be that noticeable. I know. And'cause it's I just don't know. I don't know. Like it does sound wild, but also that's like potentially also a 70,000 a month. Jesus. Three year fucking out America saw it out. I mean I haven't even Googled the UK Yeah. I dunno what I believe. Yeah. Okay. I believe that fragments of this could have 100% happened. Yeah. But I just like, I. There's just no way, there's no evidence of all of this. There, there are holes to the story for sure. Yeah. Worm holes, it just went back in time and stole the kids from there, geez. Turned into a fucking episode of do her literally right where the flip Am I. They wanted to push these people to the brink of mental and physical pain so that you had nothing in you to care anymore. That's when the manipulation of the programming could begin. Stuart said he witnessed rape, murder of animals, murder of people. He thinks this is so you are desensitized to this kind of stuff. So when they take control over your mind and ask you to kill a person. Yeah. It's like something you've just been exposed to all day every day. So you're just like, that's not that thing. I just also, who's just doing that at work? Yeah. Who's volunteering? Yeah. To rape young boys. I know because this guy, he's oh, Preston's oh, I was just an engineer. I was just like doing the programming and it's yeah. But you were still putting people in the fucking electric chair my friend. Yes. You might not have been going down underground and torturing these boys. Yeah. Physically. Yeah. But then you were bringing them up and you were mentally torturing them and electric with your code. Yeah, exactly. Like you don't be like running around admitting to that kind of stuff. Yeah. I think he was saying I was under threat, duress and then, yeah. And whatever they did to me, because they wiped my memory so they could have been holding me under any kind of control themselves, but if they could control him to do it, then they didn't even need to be doing the fucking test.'cause they can just control people. Clearly. Kelly for me, They use kids because they were innocent and had extreme fear. And you can use fear to extract full compliance in an altered state, hence the LSD trials, as we've seen in many cases before. Also that, don't say that because I don't think there's any proof that it works. No, I think you believed that we could. Yeah, but I don't think it works. Yeah, exactly. Like it, it obviously didn't because otherwise yeah, it would've, they would've kept going otherwise the aliens would've taken over. Maybe they have, apparently. So this is what I was talking about earlier. So the goal is that when they take a child at their peak fear, they sacrifice them and extract thero, which is adrenaline from, the pineal gland, which is the gland in the brain that produces melatonin, which is your sleep wake state. Which, and then that is what they would use to test on others to try and gain control over a human right. So inject you with fear. So some of them they were taking uro and I guess fear is just a chemical, so why wouldn't that work? Yeah. Yeah. So what they're saying is if they just took it out of you, just as you're about to die, when you're at your peak fear because you're about to die and you've just been tortured in every which way and then you put it into someone else, yeah. But what they're basically doing is just killing a person by taking it and then injecting it into someone else's brain and killing them as well. Yeah. And I wonder if that does put someone in a state of fear. Yeah. What number of dead children would it take for you to be like, this might not be working, this might not be working Also. 13 years. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what the flip, like I could do that. Yeah. This 13 that's what you were trying to do. Just get something else, someone's pine gland, and then put it in someone's, I'm not gonna lie, if I had been in the meeting where someone was pitching it, I would've been like, you are a fucking idiot. Why on earth do you think that would work? I know. Also, and why would you want it to? I cannot conceive what kind of monster you could create. Yeah. Because I I'm convinced that if what you wanted to create was a terrible fucking piece of shit. Yeah. Who. Or wanted nothing but to cause harm. Yeah. I'm convinced you absolutely could do that. All you have to do is look at every fucking serial killer in history. Yeah. To know that there are plenty of them out there. Take out any chemical imbalance out of every single person's brain. Yeah. Put it all in a middle Petri dish and squirt it straight back into the brain gland in the brain. Yeah. I just, I, I can tell you what taking away someone's humanity Yeah. Would do to them. Yeah. Because there are people, especially if you're do, if you are doing it in your sleep wake state means that you're not even consciously aware. You are consci that is, is telling you that's wrong. Is gone. So I can understand it. It's did you have a astral projector, whatever it was as a kid, and you could like, try and be awake in your dream. Oh, it's is it as protection? It's as protection. Yeah. Yeah. And we always used to, like everyone at school would go to bed and try and keep your whole body really still, but your mind awake and you'd do certain things and then in the end you could walk around in a dream how you wanted to walk around. Yeah. You feel like you were more conscious, but then it would fuck you up'cause of like REM sleep and stuff. So Yeah. I think you just don't hit your deeper version of sleep, do you? Yeah. And I used to try do it so your mind's too active. Yeah. It's like when you're drunk. Yeah. You don't really, you're not really sleeping, you don't really sleep. Yeah. I used to do it all the time. And I just think I was really cool'cause I could do it. And then I think what it's done is just made me a really fucking light sleeper. You fucking nerd. Yeah. He's now like the tiniest thing will happen. I'm like, and I always have few dreams. Yeah. I fucked myself over. I remember one time I'd like I hadn't done it like very well, but I made fireworks happen and if I put my finger out I could feel the fireworks like sizzling into my finger. Not badly. That's cool. Tingly. Yeah. And I was like lifting my hand up and it was like tingling and it was really cool. And then after that I was like, there's too much now. I just don't want it. I just wanna sleep. Yeah. As a kid, as like a, as a kid, I was like, this is fucking cool, bro. Yeah. Be like hiding in the back alley. Having a, as an adult, if someone dragged me out of my sleep to astral project, I'd be fucking confused. Yeah, exactly. Now I'm like, I need every fucking minute of sleep. But back at the time, I'd come into school and be like. Yeah, having a see you down the LA before school and be like, yeah, I was astral. Oh, just feel fucked. That fucking fireworks. And this, yeah. Yeah. So when you smoke weed in feeling goes in fingers, bro. Sick. Shut up Amy. Yeah, so I guess it's like that's the sort of vibe they're trying to create that like astral projection, but like to a point where they can literally control a person and get them right. Alfred Balik, he claims that he was one of the program directors, again, another program director that was trying to go to the leaders of the big, like big leaders of the project and ask them to stop torturing and forcing people into this but ask them to be tested on in exchange for rewards. I'm not sure children can consent for that. He was he this guy? I see the thought process. I see the thought process in telling the story, not wanting to paint yourself as the victim, but also not wanting to look like an asshole for participating. You said something like, if it was true, why don't we dangle the carrot instead? And I was like instead of beating and raping people yeah. Try that. Please don't be like, oh, I'm gonna carry on working here and torturing people. But have you ever thought about just saying, would you help us with this less program we want? And then they're saying no. And when you say dangle the carrot, like he literally said, dangle the carrot. And I was like, excuse me. Oh, what? Freedom. Yeah. Literally. What do you mean? We'll stop convincing you that the LSD means that there's aliens in the room. If you like, just shut up. Jesus. This is what he can remember saying. It was inhumane and illegal, but also through non-cooperation and force. Maybe the test subjects weren't opening their minds to try and help get results. So he's not even saying he's fuck them kids. I don't care about that. What I'm worried about is they're not willing to participate after we've beat them. Yeah. Why? How do we get maximum results? Yeah, I know. Yeah. Make them enjoy it. Yeah. I just make them open to what fuck our, yeah. He is the guy out of all of them. That I would say is the most determined that alien helpers come into play. He's the one that's they gave us the technology that we needed to gain control. What can what technology. Also, I was meant to say something else. So this is from Stewart's. Swedlow. He said that he had been to Mars and all sorts of things, but he said he had been sent back in time to try and gain DNA from historical and biblical figures. And I also read somewhere else that, but I assume was him because that was him that said that. But he didn't say this in the doc, but I read it somewhere that they was trying to send him back to the day that Jesus got crucified and to, for them to extract DNA from him and also to kill him, sacrifice him themselves. And he's yeah I went there and I saw him and I said, I need to kill. And he said, you can't do that man, but here's my DNA take that for what? I dunno. And I was like what did you do with that DNA? Who's got it now? Yeah, I don't understand. And what, why are you going to Mars? What are you doing up there? Sorry. Sorry. So what you are fucking telling me is we've got the technology to go back and get Jesus's DNA and go to Mars, but we can't say, Hey man, would you would you go do this thing? What are you even trying to control them to do? No. And it's are you trying to say that if you could get the DNA from like a person that had followers who like would blindly follow him into the, like his disciples, maybe that would help that his DNA is the reason that people do that. I know. What the fuck? I don't know. And like also lowball me here because what the fuck guys, if you wanted me to believe the story, you start at a reasonable level. I know they'll, they would say snippets of things where they'd say this was happening underground. It was kept up, cut. I kept secret by the CIA, it was potentially like German scientists that, and I was like, I could get on board with this. I could get on board with that. And Ra there's so many things that I'm like. That makes complete sense that I can seriously imagine the CIA drugging children and torturing children to try and extract something from their brain and then covering the whole thing up. Fine. I can all almost even understand, if Ellie's Ls, D's been used on the kids, that it would be potentially used on the workers to mess with memories. Yeah. And that potentially it would be a government agency that is providing them with the things that they think aliens are providing them with to do the things that they're doing because they are interested in it to keep identity. It's fucking whole conspiracy, but I could almost get there, but fucking Jesus. I know. I know Jesus. And I just think like, why was no one like giving them? I know that it was trying to be like the guy was like, I'll let you hear their stories and then I'll tell you what I found when I went to look there. And I'm telling you that there's no tangible evidence, so you can come up with your own theory. But I was like, why was no one like riding also, why did you go to Mars? I know like he was just like, yeah, I went to Mars. And I was like, why? Why? What was the point? What was the point? Tell me what the point was. What's the point in the aliens? What do the aliens want? If you're gonna tell me what they want and what they just fucking dipped off, I'm literally gonna show left you alone. I'm gonna show you a clip of this doc after, because I'm furious. It's, I'm absolutely furious. So something else and like, why was no one pre-interview being like, just leave the alien part out. You can literally tell them please don't mention Jesus again. Yeah, please stop talking about moms. I'm not gonna get on board with that. It's just not Yeah it's a time. So he says that the government, naval intelligence, military, CIA, like MK Ultra and all sorts of huge organizations have people within it that have knowledge and experience in mind control and testing on people to try and control the affairs of the world. I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that he says that if you can match a person's bio rhythms with the earth's bio rhythms to the exact, you can force a connection between time and space. All I can think of is Donny Dog. I literally was listening to him like that's fine. Through a frequency, vibrations of the solar system and then just jump about through the patient's energy connection and how do you aim that? To Mars or to Jesus. How do you aim that, Stuart? I know because what I've just heard you say is sort out your breathing rhythm, your techniques match them with the Earth, and then all of a sudden, I can jump back in fucking time. Literally, our Baic claims that he survived the Philadelphia experiment with his brother in 1943. And he said that this, so this was when the military aimed to create a cloaking technology, which was to hide. Do you know about this? Not really. To hide a battleship called the USS Eldridge from Enemy Radar. Okay. Sure. Apparently the ship was, the ship disappeared fully so they were trying to just cloak it so that it wouldn't show up on the new radars, whatever. Apparently it just disappeared right into time and space. And then it returned ages later and the men on board were molded into the ship. Like their limbs were like within the ship and their minds had been erased, so they didn't know what was going on. Again, there's no real, who's got time for any of this shit? No. Who is out there in the universe and says, I'm gonna get rid of that ship. Mold the men in, get rid of their memories. Who's doing that? And if someone is just hatched that to try Andria's Conspiracy, who's got time for that either? Oh. Like how would I go about starting my own conspiracy? We are gonna start one right now. Yeah. Right now we should we could just tell people that when we first met we were conjoint and then we had to get like that somehow our parents. Had us as non congenital twins, and when we met separately, the void, we conjoined, we took a load of LSD and the arms solidified into each other. Like together. What's that thing like the Oh yeah. The Alison Brie and Jay Franco thing. Oh yeah. And then we had to like, and then somebody raised our memory and that was it. And we had to travel through time and space. Oh. And we did to get separated, actually get the DNA of Jesus for the second time. But Moleman did steal it from us. And we're on the lookout for him when he was separated from the cross. We took the DNA so that we could separate from each other. And then we took a little more LSD and then forgot it all. Yeah. Until we happened to be walking. And then we just, through Jerusalem, we were doing some breathing rhythms and we became one with the earth. We saw these sound waves and we slid through the core and made it to when dinosaurs went extinct and all of our memory came back and they gave us the answer to word all tomorrow. Oh my God. I hope so. Because I'll be at the top of the lead order. Oh god. Yeah. That's what's happened. Believe it. That's gonna be the snippet, but also, I know that we've done a really good job of sitting on the fence and we always, this is literally what we did Enfield haunting. And from the moment I was it me that did it. No, it was you did it. I started being like bollocks, fucking bollocks. I know. And I was like, we really need to keep, we just need to keep a really open mind. Keep the skeptic. Leave the skeptic at home. Yeah. Yeah. It just can't, I just can't. I don't understand. Anyway, yes. So it's gonna be, it's gonna the longest episode ever. So he claims that he, when the ship, just before the ship vanished. Al Balik says that him and his brother jumped into the sea as it vanished, and they were actually launched through a wormhole that pushed them through time and space to 40 years later in 1983, which is how he's still alive to tell the tale, because otherwise he would've been, has anyone looked at his bus certificate? Because I think we could clear that up quite quickly, wouldn't we? Did anyone go to school with him? I'm fucking, I'm sick of this. I'm sick to the back teeth of this. This is why we work today. I was like, I don't feel like I've cleared anything up at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, it's, but Jesus, fascinating. Jesus Christ. Actually, I shouldn't talk about him now. Yeah, no, sorry. Because he's part of the story. He's in the room. Ours. A brother was none other than Duncan. Cameron, the psychic. The psychic who he bought downstairs with him and turns out he was part of the Oh, of course they're connected. So Duncan Cameron already thought that he was part of this other conspiracy. And that he traveled free time and space with his brother. Yeah. I'm not being funny. Like I, and he's psychic. And he's psychic. I trust my siblings like blindly. But if they were like, look, do you remember that time that we traveled free time and space? I'd be like yeah. That was the LSD though. And it had nothing to do with those mushrooms you took, right? Yeah. Literally. I just can't, I just be like. I can't entertain this. I'm sorry. I love you dearly, but like I just can't go along with it. I would literally be like, yeah, of course. Absolutely. Hello. How do you section someone I kids screen child line? Like how do you report someone breaking Yeah. Mentally. Literally, because that takes like lying to people on a night out or level of like you just being like, which one of them is. Like we've gone too far. Yeah. Also, who approached who? That's what I want to know. Do you remember when we survived the Philadelphia experiment? Yeah. Yeah. To be fair, it's like when I said we were doing, who put Bella in the witch album? When I said to my sister, do you remember that in the woods when dad used to take us to that. And then she was like, no, but I will lie. Yeah, exactly. It's okay sound. Yeah. And if you were just telling a story and I was like, oh, that didn't happen. I wouldn't be like, that didn't happen. Yeah. I'd just be like, yeah, fair. Yeah, and I'd be like, for whatever reason she needed to, she had to lie, but I was like and Amy, but for a wormhole actually ended up 40 years later, different experiment, memory. Blocked Jesus there. Electric chair. I just there the time. She's just room in the room. She needs to lie to now. But I guess, yeah. Understand, but they're all in on it. Like they're all just like fucking, everyone's vibing with the story. We're all okay. We have no problems with it. And then maybe Duncan Cameron was like, look, I've met this guy, Preston Nichols. He thinks that he's an engineer. He thinks his IQ is 200. Or if I take him down to the mon building and I say we were also here as well because he will be on board so fast. What if mo man is Jesus and he's orchestrated all and and it is all an allegory for greed and capitalism. Oh, so funny. Maybe they were all just sat around and they were like, I fucking hate the government. Should we just say Yeah. Do you think? Yeah. How about like MK Ocher? They didn't really get that much shit for that. Yeah. What we, I think they didn't go far enough. So yeah, I'd like to add time, travel and aliens. And I would also like to tell them that I am maybe 80. Okay. And there's more, which we will get to because the fall of this is also just that's where I was like I'm just like that this whole time, but this is where I was fully like no, sorry. Oh, that's where you bowed out. Because I've been gone since day one, since Preston said he had a 200 iq. I was an engineer and you told me that someone is missing most of her teeth. Yeah, that's bad. It really is. It is so funny when I'm writing it, because I'm not like, I believe this, but I'm writing it like, I wonder what way this is gonna go on podcast. And every time it's just and then you come back to me. Shit. The problem is that usually the mysteries you are telling them to me and I am a cynical bitch, like so cynical and I love a mystery. Yeah. I'm just very cynical. Also, if you can come to me with like real spooky shit that's happened that there's no way of explaining it. Yeah, I can. Understand where the thought of Alien can come from. But this is just like that. It's like they're trying to get in touch with the aliens and the aliens are like no, back off. Here's some Go do some mind control over there. Yeah. Which is why the Snowtown murders, no, I don't mean snowtown murders. The D Top pass Yes. Was so interesting. Yeah. Okay. That is yes.'cause it's unexplained. But that did happen. It happened. We know it happened. Yeah. We just don't know what happened. Yeah. And it really spun me out because I was like, what happened? Yeah. Like you never know. And all of these things are so unexplained, but there's also like reasons why it couldn't be an A valuable, a valid explanation. Yeah. This, I'm just like, I don't know what is going on with all these lads, but like they are. Somewhere around, but I wanna be there. Yeah. I wish I was in on it. I wanna be a part of it. Yeah. I just think it could be fun. And I don't love, I don't love Stewart's story. Like it makes me sad for him. But I, yeah. I just feel like there's a lot of, I feel like they've opened their mind to a lot of possibilities. Yes. Which I guess I envy in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah. Yes. So that is, oh, and also just another little loop around. So obviously now there's Duncan Cameron, and Preston Nichols is now linked to Al Baic. Yeah. But another one is also that Al claims, the survivors from the USS Eldridge ended up in Brookhaven National Laboratories as the test patients with the German scientist. Because they all came back susceptible to mind control. But I thought they were molded to the ship. Yeah. I think they just like, so what do you fucking peel them off? I think it's like the mind and the brain parts and maybe they just too brain and a jar and then Yeah, brain and a jar. It, I'm gonna need every single one of you conspiracy theorists to go away and have a little think about the story and think about where might someone probe, what might someone ask? And then if you can't feel the answer, don't tell me. Yeah. And also if I've just watched the complete wrong dog, she's just, someone's just named something, the one dog project and that's it. Amy has just got, she's gone off on a tangent, but honestly, I fuck with it. Yeah. Yeah. I really fuck with it. That's such a crazy time that I'm just like, I just had to do it because even though I was looking at it, I was like. There's no sense to what I'm saying. I was like, I still just wanna report about it. I have thoroughly enjoyed this. Yeah. If you can't tell, so Preston Nichols and a group of other programmers, including Alfred Baic, they were compliant in this, but apparently this is where they're saying it was due to threat on their lives. They were talking about having guns pointed at them, their families being threatened or whatever. They had started to notice that the project was aiming to gain mass population control over whole societies to try and control how people would think and act and started to realize how massive and dangerous this movement would be. Only just took you 13 years. 13 years. It'd be like, oh yeah, they do spend every day beating and raping those boys. But yeah, it's just a couple of boys. A hundred thousand days, only 10,000 boys. Yeah. Not that big a deal. Also side note snippet. How are they gonna do that to mass populations? They're gonna abduct communities, I don't know, at a time if they're trying to find the perfect balance or they're trying to get like a vial of the fear serum. Yeah. They're trying to get like a perfect balance of and then why, I dunno, why to, what's that for? I guess the government can just have it so it's like a, it's like an atomic bomb. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like something they have not a bio weapon. Yeah. To be able to like, like Agent Orange. Yeah. It could be something like that, that they could just put over a whole place and control them. Maybe it could be something that they're just trying to have it in the bag in case they need to control armies. I don't really know. I know, I have to say I don't understand the. Intentions of men. No. Yeah. I don't, we can't even pretend to sit and understand why, but why men would want more men to have more strength and more murderer quality and be like, do what I tell you. And then everyone says why. Yeah. Why? And it's only taken till now that they're all like, this is actually quite dangerous because if they do get control over societies happens to me. They have to even less control over me. Then they, or I don't know. So apparently this is just totally random as well, like in the dock. It's just randomly like everyone club together and met at this place called the memory motel official meeting site. Is it? They're like, first conference, whatever happens. Don't lose your memory guys. Let's all meet at the memory. Fuck. So they all meet there and they're like this needs to end this project. We need to put a stop there. Who does these three? The pro a group of people, programmers that are at this point being like, oh, kids be dying. And we've only just noticed. Yeah. And like they're actually the power is getting to them and we might actually find control over the whole of the human being. How do you start at murdering children? And then where's the es? Where's the escalation? And then you just, the over 13 years you said, ah yeah, it's getting a bit hairy now. Yeah. You're just like, oh, it's not really going anywhere. But if it does go somewhere, then it could be detrimental to the world. Yeah. Okay. they're trying to hatch this plan, right? And basically there's an a technology that would store thoughts from people in the chair at the time of testing, amplify it, and then broadcast it into someone else. So telecommunication vibes, right? So what I've heard in this fucking story is everything that I can think about that we've ever said we should look into inventing, they've done it and they've done it in the eighties. They've done invisibility, they've done the time travel. Yeah, they've done tele telecommunication. I have to say there was so many drugs around in the seventies. Yeah, like that is it, that's all I have to say actually. Yeah. Duncan Cameron actually at the time was the. Psychic that was used in the chair a lot of the time to basically receive the fear and theros from the kids that were being tortured to amplify his thoughts in the, I'm assuming the electric chair, to create a transfer of thoughts to real life through telepathy. I don't like a movie at this point. I don't know. I think so. I think it's meet the Robinson. Yeah. Maybe it's that thing on someone's head and then he like, gets all of the things and then it plays a memory. Yeah. I think that's what they're also trying to do and they're trying to be like if we can, and now I'm picturing every single one of them as young and old goop. All of them are just goobs everywhere. Yeah. They're just Goops. Yeah. And they're just like walking around like, why don't me. I'm getting really sick of this not working. You get back on the electric 10 like the fuck is going on. So they're like, oh, this is how, so this is how we can use the situation that we are in. This is so wild, what I'm about to say. Rather than it's or me, that's my problem is like, what the fuck? It's every which way. So they were like, why didn't we use Duncan to materialize something so terrifying that the programmers, like the head programmers of the project, realized that it would only do bad if they kept pushing this and then shut it down for good, is what this guy says in the do. Sorry. What I'm hearing is let's her think something so fucking scary that it scares them out of their 13 year long plans that hasn't scared them in the time that they've been literally abusing children. I don't know. What could it possibly be that's so scary that they'd be like we didn't think that would happen. Let's get out here. So the guy apparently is called Jack Pruitt, who's the first lieutenant. I don't really know much about him, that everyone fears him. So to convince him they need to make him see that this was a serious threat to society. So Duncan's in the chair one day and he's using to let the theme from the kids to cook up like a storm to try and scare, put it into shutting the project down. But apparently on this fateful night that they're doing this, they create a hairy monster that comes out in real life, like actually just comes out of his mind and runs havoc all around this project army base that they've got all of this stuff going on. And it's just like causing havoc. And the astral projection of him literally comes out as a Harry monster and starts like killing everyone. Apparently it's like wreaking such havoc that they just shut it down. And this Harry monster disappears because he is I don't know, she's got him out the electric chair or whatever. And they just shut down the whole project and destroy. I expect you to leave the silence in. That's it. So what happened was, what had happened was they realized that the astral projection could be so strong that the thing became real. Yeah. Which feels like a tall of its own. Yeah. And the hairy monster, even if that. Was the main part of this story. I wouldn't believe a word of it. And that's like just one of the many things that they say. That's the fall. I dunno, I think they were all just fucking high as hell. Are they still high? Have they been high this whole time? I think so. So literally this must have been like the big, bad thing that went wrong all of those years ago that made them shut it down. Most people have already died. But what would they do with the people that know? So first of all, apparently the government or whoever's running this thing destroys all the machinery, all the evidence, all of except the tower and the bunker. Yeah. They didn't do that. But the, they let the moleman live in there. I know. They then flooded all of the basement levels of the radar tower with cement. So now if you go back there and you like open these like huge, like big lids to go down into like bonkers and stuff, it's just cement. It's cement. And then other ones that are like sneaky ones, like this one guy, takes someone somewhere else. And this guy's I've been here loads of times and I've never seen this before. And he's there's one down there. And he lift it up and it's just filled with water. So the assumption is they did put cement in that as well, but it's just flooded since then. Like on top of it. So I guess you could never, ever go down there and ever see anything or get any evidence from it because they've literally just filled it up with concrete. And I dunno if there's just not enough tangible reason and evidence to start digging that up because it, it's so outlandish. There'll be, even if that was like a secret lab that was doing some dodgy ass shit, there's nothing to do with the aliens and all that. Yeah. You even find the Harry monster. The Harry monster. Like you, you don't, yeah. Like it would be plausible that they would do things like put cement down there. Yeah. And they don't want anyone getting access to it ever again. Yeah. And then finally seems extremely wasteful by the way. Single use fucking blobs. Fuck off. I know. Repurpose it. Dick ass. I know. You could have made that into a right. Good. You, apparently you watch everyone's memory. And maybe if you'd had someone down there fucking using it, it wouldn't be back in the chamber. And then remembering would he literally him and his fucking brother. Oh my God. This story, I, it might all just be so like wrong. Do you know what I finally, I was just like, I would thrive on the fact that you have made this whole fucking thing up. That would be brilliant. Like literally brilliant. Some of it I was like. That looks real. Not real because it doesn't, but that looks like it tracks and then I just add it in somewhere. Oh, so funny. And the fact that I have no dates or anything, I'm just so ju. Absolutely. She just said anywhere between this 13 year period. So funny. And then finally, any of the survivors from the project had their memory suppressed using like MK Ultra and the light techniques, of what's we know is can Interesting because I don't know why you wouldn't just kill them. I know these if they're no use to you. I know. Also, you don't want anyone to know. You don't want'em to remember. And you've had no problem killing that many children. Just kill them. I know it is like hundreds of thousands of kids, apparently. But then like these five men that have shut down. Yeah. But you let fucking mouthy mouth off the hook. I know. Also she, why wouldn't you kill Duncan Cameron if he's the one that made this hairy monster. Hairy monster. He'd be like, don't trust him. Back off guy. Yeah. Your problem. They'd just be lower like, ah. You can stay though. I don't understand. No. Go out there. Live near the base. Live somewhere near it and tell everyone you're a fucking psychic. Yeah. So funny. It is not funny. No, it's funny, obviously these three men they aren't the only people, but they are like the main people. Yeah. Say that their memories weren't fully erase. So that's why they could go back in and work out everything that happened again. Fill in the gaps. Yeah. If the whole of the military forces government, CIA more are covering up whatever has gone on down there, then obviously no one else would say anything. There wouldn't be any evidence. Yeah. That's basically it. No. Is it, is there not more? I think maybe I'm like too, like it. It's interesting because like I, kidnapping, torturing, I believe that testing, aiming for mind control. I fully believe that as well. That could have, sorry, I'm just carry on fact checking. I'm No, I'm just, yeah, I'm Googling it because I was like what is it? What is it? I love how we finished the podcast and you're like, what is this one? No, I'm just checking that like you are not lying off. No. Yeah. That here's their, all of their names lush. Thank fuck for that. I just watch some weird ass Bill. Wikipedia says, the Monarch experiment story seems to have originated with the highly questionable account of Preston Nichols. Yeah, it is highly questionable, bro. He just doesn't. He doesn't even say anything like he was speaking the whole time, but like every sentence, I was wondering why they put so many interludes of pointless shy in there as well. And I've realized because if he just said all of his sentences together, it makes no sense. So they just put one crazy sentence in of him just saying something that just doesn't really, these center on topics, including United States government, military experiments in fields such as time travel, teleportation mind control, contact with extra rest life staging, a fake Apollo moon landings framed as development that followed the 1943 Philadelphia experiments. Yes. Okay. So they've written books. Yes. And apparently something they've said is, whether you read this as science fiction or non-fiction, you are in for an amazing story that is press, all that entire story is press for their fucking book. Yeah. And then they've probably found somebody who was abused in some way and was used and maybe even drugged and stuff as well. Yeah. And they've convinced them to get in on their story and they're using it to push their books. Yeah. Yeah. Because to be fair, I thought that at the start when I started researching this, I thought it was just Preston Nichols who had wrote a book Yeah. Who had come forward after his like realization. But Stuart Swedlow. Also had a book and he's one of the victims of it as well. And I was just at that point was like, good view to make. Like I, that's a New York bestseller also here's the Hairy Man and Me. Yeah. The Harry Man and G The Man and G Ze. His, he's also Stuart's, like him and his wife have some extraterrestrial like helpline thing. It is all a bit like for people who have been abducted. Yeah. For people that have things that don't make sense in their lives and can communicate on a deeper level. Yeah. I think they're all just very and if you don't believe me, it's because you don't have that understanding. I think it's quite a profoundly wild. And human think to assume that there is life out there. And they give a shit about us. It's so bold of us to assume that they're like so advanced and what they want to do is come here and study us because we are so interesting. So if they have technology to control the minds, why would they be? I hate to break it to you giving it to We're fucking boring. We're boring. We're like, we're silly little monkeys. We think we're too smart. We put clothes on and bash keyboard. Fucking, we're stupid. Yeah. We're stupid. And and we in fight and we don't share food and we've made a currency out of paper. Dumb. Yeah. Literally dumb. And we're like, look at how clever we are and like, what are they being like, oh, we are aliens and we have technology to literally control the mind travel through time and space. I think Jack Pruitt might really appreciate it. Yeah. Let's just go and tell him to set up a little underground cave in the middle of nowhere and just start torturing people. Yeah. To give him like for the LS hope. Yeah. In hope that he can get there. Yeah. Instead of just giving him the control over what is going on baffling, isn't it? Absolutely baffling. But I have fucking loved it. I've loved every second of it. That was maybe one of the best stories you've ever told me. I literally live for it. This is how I tell you stories. Yeah. I live for it. They take 100 minutes. Yeah. And I'll get to the point, I've never had more fun. I just like I, I'm never gonna stop thinking about it. Yeah. It's, I'm never gonna stop thinking about it. I'm never gonna stop the audacity to come forward with that story. I, even if it was true, I don't understand how it got such entertainment as well. Yeah. You know what I mean? Surely anyone else, it's he watched Star Trek and was like, I'm gonna make up my own version. Yeah. I think that I could potentially get in on that. Do you think there's bits of it that he said, oh, I won't say that. It's not believable. I'll edit that bit. Yeah, he's like writing it down. He is no, that's a bit too out loud. And how do we end this? Pube monster. What the fuck? I literally picture the one of Adam's family. No. Oh, that's who I'm seeing through changes. Big mouth. Big mouth. Yes. Yeah. That's the kind of Harry. Oh, running with his dick? Yeah. Oh, that is, that was. I've got nothing. I've literally got nothing, but I did thoroughly enjoy it. It was absolute fucking carnage. What would you do if it just deleted itself now? Yeah, I'd cry. I would cry because I read, did really enjoy it, and I don't think I'd be able to authentically a authentically have the same conversation because the, I like, yeah, there were so many moments. Like I actually think that we might just put this episode out unedited because I know that I've said some fucking diabolical shit in this episode, but I actually don't care. Yeah. Because the Everything was deserved. Yeah. Everything was deserved. Honest reactions. That's who I am as a person. And I, and it is probably one of the first stories I absolutely did not know. Yeah. Yeah. Like I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. Not that I haven't heard bits of similar sort of stories, but yeah, originally I was just looking up like, because I wanted to do a conspiracy theory for ages, and I originally was thinking about doing do you know the one that it's like kind of the same as this, where the guy thinks that he can look at goats and make them explode? No. And then when I was telling yeah, at work earlier, he was like, oh my God, I don't know what that is. I don't know much about that one. But do you know the one, I can't remember what it's called. He was like, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, the one, he was like, with the goats and I was like, yes. I was literally debating whether to do them. Which one? It's this guy that's trying to do mind control so that he can make a goat explode or whatever. And does it work it is just like he thinks that he can do that. And there's like a whole thing about it. I haven't really looked into it that much, but yeah, me and Cain were talking about ages ago and I was just like, I really need to, yeah, I think conspiracy theories, I do know some, but actually like true crime's my world. Yeah. And actually I probably, I don't know a lot about some, I probably know the quite famous conspiracy theories, but like some smaller like Isha ones. Yeah. I would not know. Yeah. And like I just feel like every so often it's good for us to be like, what do you, because like true crime, that's that there are weird things that happen and explain things that happen and some are unsolved, but overall it's just very like factual. Yeah. Whereas I quite like coming in with something like this and just being like, I don't know where this come from. Yeah. But, and there's some that have so much evidence that could be real, but just nothing like that is foolproof. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So it'll be like things, but this, I was just, as I started researching it, I was like, no I think one of those, I actually think, and then I was like, commit, this needs to be like. This, maybe this is what, this is how we do Drunk mystery. Like maybe because the only thing that would've made that better is if I was fucked up. Like the, because that was me. That was my unfiltered self while I was sober. Yeah. Because I feel like the dsof past one would've scared me being drunk. Yes. Same. The snow snowtown murders, snow murders. I think we could've drunk. Because it's so confusing. That was absolutely un Yeah. But I think like maybe Drunk mystery as drunk mystery needs to be a really, needs to be a fucking mystery, rogue conspiracy. That is just absolutely insane because I think we're probably j drunk mystery. Yes, we are. We definitely are. We'll do it when I'm back. Yeah. When you get back from holiday. Yes. Okay. Sorry. It's been a delight. But you've got a big fat stacked make up for the fact that we weren't here last week. And enjoy it because, yeah, that was. That was someone else entirely. Thank you for listening. Yes, thank you for us on Instagram. Yeah. We are gonna do some cool stuff on Instagram for changing it up a bit. We think so. Yeah. At Kill the Mood Pod. Yes. And email us it. Kill the Mood podcast@gmail.com. Yes. Fabulous. And we will see you next week. Stay spooky.