A Dingo Ate My Baby Part One

This week, we’re heading somewhere a little different.

In this episode, we begin Part One of a case that shocked the world and blurred the line between tragedy and suspicion “A dingo ate my baby.” You’ve probably heard the phrase… but the story behind it is far more complex, and far more unsettling, than it’s often made out to be.

We’ll be stepping into the Australian outback, where a family camping trip turned into a nightmare. What followed wasn’t just grief. It was scrutiny, media frenzy, and a narrative that quickly spiralled out of control.

This isn’t a story that stays still. It shifts. It twists. And from the very beginning, something about it just doesn’t sit right.

So grab a drink, settle in, and get ready… because this is only the beginning, and the truth is anything but straightforward.

Transcript

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welcome to Kill the Mood podcast. We're here to talk to you about everything. Spooky Doy. We are not professionals and we mean no offense in anything we say. This is just us trying to make sense of a senseless. Without further ado, this week's case is a dingo. Ain't my baby. I do know this one. Yeah, I do. I'm well acquainted. I've heard a lot of different pods do it. Yeah. Yeah, it's mega. I just, it's a mega one and it's got so much clout. Do you know what I mean? I think there's just something about it being an Australian case that's just like carnage do know, Hey, my baby. And like obviously it's fucked. Yeah, it is. It's absolutely fucked. It's fucked, but at the same time, like it's a whirlwind I feel. Yeah. We'll obviously get right into it, but yeah, there's no waffling. Now this is episode three of the night, so we ain't got shit for you. Yeah. This is like in the eighties and like nowadays people would be joking about this left right center, including Oh yeah. Close, close members of this case, Oh really? Yeah, like it popped off so much that even the family now, Yeah, some things. Yeah, this is fucking wild. I would see some things and I'd be like, that's pretty funny. Oh shit. I know. God. And they lost a child. Insane. I know. Anyway. Pointless subject. It's literally called a Jingo Ain't My Baby. What do we think happened? Yeah, literally. You can decide. We'll get right into that. Yeah, so this story is massive, but if you don't know the story, you might have just still heard references because it's in loads of TV shows. Like The Simpsons reference it and Oh, apparently you also said as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I can't remember. No, I'm sure it's just like one passing reference. Yeah. Like they're not doing an EP on it. Yeah. And there's another thing as well that's really popular, but I can't remember what it is and I've never watched it, so I was just Good chat. Not relevant. See, I think it was like, 'cause it happened in the eighties, but I think in like the nineties it was like. A joke yeah. Yeah. It was just like nineties sitcoms and stuff like that. Like things would just reference it all the time. Okay. And you might not have known about the story or you might not know about the details, but you definitely knew the dingo at my movie. Yeah. But it was just I think I probably knew the story, the title without knowing the story. Yeah. To be honest, I was saying not that long ago though, I thought a dingo was a bird. Like a dodo. Yeah. Think that's what was, and I was like, how? And like this story is like so stressful for me because. All this time I just put in my head that it was a bird. And I have this, about my fear about a seagull eating willow. Yes, I do. I do know about that. 'cause she's so tiny and every like time it's sunny or whatever, and there's like a seagull in the garden. It's just watching her and she's, she'll just lie in the, it's fucking size in her up. Yeah. She'll just lie in the dirt as well. Like Simba, when the vultures are like circling him. So any single time she's lying like that in the sun, I always stand over and go over her and she just doesn't care. But she'll just lie there in the, that dog has no survival instincts. Yeah. She is just she just flops when she drops. Like she'll just fall asleep anywhere. And I pretend sometimes that I would like faint in my bed to see what she'd do and she literally just looks at me and just goes whatever. She just doesn't care. But I do have, but before I started researching it, I was like, I just dunno how I'm gonna do it because if a bird ate a baby, then a bird could eat my dog. And then I was like, it's not a fucking bird. No it's not. Yeah. A it's basically Coyote esque. Yeah. And I also thought they weren't real because Lion King, you thought they were just something they made up. I actually fucking love, I dunno why this has reminded me of the fact that today I was literally like trying to tell someone that like songs. Make it easy for you to remember things. And I went, yeah. 'cause I like totally know the whole classification of animals and plants. And everyone was like, what do you mean? And then I just went, kingdom fun class order family gene species. And then everyone's yeah, what's that? I was like, it's the way you classify things, like every living thing in the world. And then I was like, 'cause there's so many times where we have to do that. Yeah. And I was like, it's important guys. I couldn't tell you what, I can tell you what the kingdoms are, which is the animal and the plant. 'cause there's only two I as we get to file them, I can't remember what's part of them. Yeah, your species. But you know what a species is, don't you like homo sapien? Yeah. Homo erectus. Erectus. But the homo is, I guess the. Genus. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then the erectus is the species something. Anyway, sorry. That was, it just reminded me of that. Here's your science lesson. Yeah. For the day. I'm not smart. Someone just turned it into a song and it's stuck in my head. Yeah. And I think that my dog's gonna get eaten by sea. And, but it really freaked me out. Like the first time we, Lauren was like, oh, is this Siegel sizing up the dog? And I was like, they haven't got claws. Their beak is not big enough. It's not realistic. But you've met Segels. They're fucking horrible. Yeah. So they'll give it a try, try. And Lauren said they'll give it a try and then drop her. And I was like, ha. I just don't think they get it very far. I know. If they get a high up enough, it doesn't matter. But that's what I mean. I just don't, I don't think they'd get her off the ground. Okay, good. Because I then I've seen them struggle with pasties. Yeah. Like I went up to my room and then I was like no, this is actually really freaking out. And I had to get her. And then anytime that some seagulls eyeing her up, I just have this really horrifying fear of it. Yeah. All you have to do is watch the seagulls on the key. Yeah. Yeah. I know that she's gonna be fine. Yeah. But like anytime now, I'm like, I can't even imaginet imagine. I can't imagine leave. Just watching her just like Amy probably wouldn't give a fuck mate. She like off to a new home. Yeah. She'd just be like, yeah. Anyway, that's why it was really freaking me out. And then I love that. I was like, no waffle for you because we've, this is episode free. And then immediately started talking about fucking your dog being taken by sea. It really is a fear that I have to live with every day. Okay. Yeah. You don't, but fair enough. I don't have to, but I can't help it. Okay. Let's get in. So on August the 16th, 1980 in rural Australia, the Chamberlain family arrived at a campsite near Iris Rock, which is now called Uluru. Good. I like it. It's a good name. Yeah, it didn't work actually. I think I might prefer Iris. It's like Iris. I irie. Iris. All right. Rock. Which is a big attraction in Australia as it's a big rock that people can hike up and climb and stuff. Doesn't sound like a bme. I, it's not my kind of attraction. Yeah, that's fair. I do. Mine's like usually food related. Yeah. I like a big rock to But you do. Yeah. I nah. Yeah. Did I ever tell you, I dunno why this just, I think it's big. Did I ever tell you about when we, me and Tom went to Vietnam and we were like, we went to Ang because I got it wrong. And you said to that. And I went to Ang instead. Yes. Oh my gosh. 'cause I thought it was your favorite place to Vietnam. No, I went to Ang. Oh, that's, no, you went to d and I went to Ang. Ang. I don't wanna talk about the whole place. It's shit. Yeah. I, we went through there to get to, oh luckily we just, also really annoying 'cause we'd just been to Hoan, which was like our favorite place on the whole trip. It was like so beautiful. Loved, so amazing. The food was really good. Like it was such a good couple days then. Anyway, we went to Ang for two days and while we were there we were like, we should do some really cool sightseeing. And then we found this like bridge that was like the hand bridge. Oh yes. Oh my God. The hand bridge. And we were like, oh my God, get to the like ancient hand bridge. That's probably the coolest thing ever. So we were like, let's do a day trip to the hands. I can't remember what it's called now. And then it's about to be like, they're manmade, right? No, we went there. Yeah. So obviously they're, I was like, hang on a minute. But I thought they'd been made like a long time ago and it was really cool. Yeah. On the side of a mountain and had to go up fucking cable cars. Yeah. And obviously if you don't know, I'm fucking terrified of heights. I'm terrible at them. They are sketchy. There's literal two pictures of me like chewing my lips. 'cause I'm like stressing. 'cause we're in this cable car for half an hour that's swinging and dangling. Get to the bridge. Why is it a fucking theme park? Why? Why is it a theme park? It's a fucking theme park. So you go, no, don't even, so you go like onto the bridge. Yeah. And then they say great, you visited the bridge and you're like, okay, is this it? You go onto the neck. Then they're like, get on another, the cable car, which my friends had just gone and they said it was. So busy as well. Like the bridge was unbearably busy. It was fucking horrible. It was like being held hostage at height. And then they said, get on another cable car. 'cause we're going up to the theme park. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? So I started googling it. I was like, yeah, it was made in like 2015. Not it's a fucking theme park. Go up to the theme park. And then we're in the theme park and we go to the worst wax museum I've ever seen in my entire life. They have that, they were fucking ter. The first one is kung fu Panda. They have Mr. Bean. Mr. Bean. The Queen. The Queen. Donald Trump. Donald Trump. What's the other person? I was just gonna say that they were, they have messy like nine mess. It's like they've been like, what would the grits love? But for some reason they've all got weird fucking neon green contacts in. They are terrifying. They are the worst renditions of anything. We will put the pictures up 'cause I've got pictures of them. Yeah. From, I think I remember. So we were debating whether to go and then we made some friends when we were in a bar and they were like, no, yeah, you need to know what we went through today. Yeah. And then they showed us all the pictures. And then when I, you got back and then we had a catch up. I remember you being like, what In that action. It's a fucking tourist trap. If you ever go there. Do not go. And like we literally. But we got up to the theme park and they said, and now you've just got three hours to row. And me and Tom were like three fucking hours up here. And all I could think about was getting back down. Yeah. All I wanted. I was like, I'm in the clouds. Yeah. I can't be up here. That's so annoying as well because like you've got a cable car that goes up into the clouds. Yeah. And that's what you decide to make and that's what you do with it. And it's like they've been like, what are, do you know that scene in Flushed Away when he is got all of that like London paraphernalia? Oh yeah. It's literally that. He's like antiques. And he's you are from up top. That's what it felt like. They were like, what are the most like British tourist American tourist things that we can do in Vietnam so that it will bring the Brits and like I was like, why is Mr. Bean there? Yeah. I had a horrible time. It was literally the worst fucking thing. Terrifying. I know. That's such a first world problem. Anyway. I'm so sorry. I ruffled together. It makes a Lru rock sound pretty fun. Yeah, I bet A Lru rock is cool. Yeah. So I hope it doesn't have a theme park. Oh, no it doesn't. No it doesn't. No it doesn't. It's just yeah. A fun campsite with a big, that's like the feature that you can do like loads of hikes all around it. Yeah. And then like people can climb up on it and stuff. Yeah. With guides I would recommend. Okay. Yeah. So Michael and Lindy were the parents of three children, two boys, Aiden, who was six. Regan who's four. And Azaria a nine month old baby girl. Michael was a minister at a Seventh Day Adventist church, which I think is called Seventh Day Adventist. Yeah. Adventist. Yeah. I think it's like intense. It's, I think it's like Mormon adjacent. Yeah. Think it's like an intense church time. Yeah. Which we will come on to in a bit, isn't it? The, is that the last day Saints one maybe. And they believe yeah. Yeah. It is. It's really intense. I do vaguely know about them. And that religion. Yeah. I don't know too much, but. I think it's like quite intense. Yeah. And like the way that he behaves in a lot of this is that would track. Yeah. That he's just like fully sold to the gods. Okay. Like same cinched to the gods. You've been cinched a day in my life. Yeah. Literally. I'm getting cinched. Thank you very much. So Lindy had random jobs but like nothing really that stuck or to note. And now they had three kids and one of them was a baby, so she wasn't working at the time. The family hadn't been away since Azaria had been born and they had set up for camping, done a bit of hiking and like all the fun family bits that you would do on a camping holiday. But Seventh Day Adventist. Yeah. Adventist. Adventist. Adventist. I think you can probably say either way. Seventh Day, advent Adventist. Adventist. Adventist. Adventist. Okay. So after a full day of setting up, then a full day of hiking, it was around 8:00 PM on the evening of the 17th of August. That's good math. It's only the next day. So I could have just started with that. Really, this is why it's nine pages long. It's good start. It's repeat myself. There were fires lit, campers chanting, and a few dig go. You really try to fucking set the scene. I know. I thought there were fires lit. Campus chattering and a few dingoes prowling about ew. However, this was pretty normal for the outback areas and campsites around hiking spots. Dingoes are just wild dogs in Australia. They look like Shiva Innu. Shebas? They're like, are they like Korean? Oh yeah. Snow dogs. I do. Yeah. Yeah, I do know, but they're bigger. Okay. But they don't look like coyotes. Coyotes. I was literally like, what are those things that laugh? Coyotes are fucking ugly. Yeah, they're so ugly. Yeah, they are. And but they look. Dogs, they've got dog teeth and they've, and they look threatening dogs. Dogs mixed with wolves. Yeah. Whereas these dogs don't look like wolves. They, if anything look like little baby Korean snow dogs, like it's just they just don't look, they are big. Yeah. But they're just like Labrador size, okay. Yeah. Okay. So not massive. No, it is just, yeah, I was really baffled when I saw a picture of it, but whatever. And also I've been in places where tiny dogs can be, can't wait for the photos on the Instagram to just be pictures of my trip to Danang and then a dinga, she be, and then a seagull picking and then a seagull picking up. Oh my God. If I get bored on my week off. Yeah. I'm gonna Photoshop that. I'm for sure gonna Photoshop that. No, don't. 'cause I actually, I'll be like, I can't look at the snippet this week. I've got yeah. Michael and Lindy had made a few neighbor camper friends one couple being Greg and Sally Lowe, and the other being Bill and Judy West. They just feature in the dock and they have given statements and stuff, 'cause they're just all hanging out and they've all got kids and they're all just like whatever. They were all apparently chilling around the campsite when the dingoes were coming in, like close. And apparently Sally Low ended up taking loads of rubbish around the place to the bins because the dingoes were like pinching stuff pinching a little bit of ing some stuff. Bitches. Yeah, they were like taking some little bits and bobs from around the area, so she was like, I'm doing a clear up because they're getting breas. Okay. But not in an aggressive manner. Okay. Just like they were like shooing them off. Okay. So Regan, the middle child, had gone to bed and Azara was in Lindy's arms falling asleep. The baby had on a onesie and like a white knitted jacket thing. And then she was in like a little blankie. Once she'd fallen asleep, Lindy went to put her into the tent with Regan and came back to the fire. It only took a few minutes before Lindy heard Azaria crying out again. But the way people said that the cry was, it wasn't like she was stirring. It was like a cry. Okay. So Lindy got up quite quickly and headed over to check the tent from the communal area and people couldn't see her. Yeah. Witnesses heard a deep growl come from that direction. Okay. About five or six minutes go by and everyone's moved on. Yeah. They're probably like, oh, you heard a baby cry and then a growl. That's not that weird. Yeah. And there's in the woods. Yeah, exactly. And there's dingoes like all about, I've assumed there's woods, but yeah. This campsite. Yeah. Like you're just hearing some suspicious routes. Yeah. Some outdoor noises. Yeah so Lindy comes running back after about five minutes and she's screaming and she keeps screaming over and over again. A dingo's got my baby. Okay. Lindy had actually started running around the campsite and knocked on camper vans and stuff nearby and like everyone in their tents, like everyone was up and being like, what is the commotion? She got loads of people paying attention to her. Sally and Greg run over to the tent with her and it's clear that this is like no joke. Yeah. Because even though it sounds. Insane. Wild. Yeah. So outlandish. It's like apparently they can see that the baby is missing. See that there's some prints on the ground, but there's also blood splatters on the ground and blankets all over, like in the tent that are all covered in blood. Okay. Sounds like a dingo baby. Yeah. Or a dingo at this point has her baby. Yeah. Yeah. Another neighbor and all of the friends that Lindy was with begin searching immediately. As fucked up as it sounds, dingoes are only small and not insanely strong, so everyone was hoping that it wouldn't have got very far. Yeah, because a baby that is, sorry, did you say how old? Nine months. Yeah. That's quite a big baby, right? Yeah. So that's quite heavy for a dog. Yeah. Do you wanna see a picture of her the day before to drag? Yeah. Dunno why it's so small. Yeah. Okay. Fucking tiny. Yeah. Like literally tiny. Yeah, so they're just hoping that even if she has been taken away, she's not got very far. And that kind of everything would be explained quite soon. Yeah. They, someone calls the police, not Lindy or Michael. Just someone else is there's such commotion going on, there's blood, we don't really know what's going on. Sounds well, but maybe a dog took the baby. Yeah. Okay. The police arrived shortly after they told Lindy to stay close in case she showed up, but other people continued to search like a bit further astray. People were following tracks and sounds, but everything came to a dead end. The police were at the campsite trying to make sense of what happened and people were still out looking. However, a few things in this story didn't really line up or make complete sense from the police's perspective. So Michael, the dad was being really calm. Okay. During this stress of Azaria being taken, he was also wandering around to people on the campsite saying really suss things about God having her now. And like very Christian esque things, but like as soon as the news hit, he was saying, if the Lord wills it, she's gone to heaven. Very weird. Yes. But I think he's like far gone in the church. Yeah. So maybe also if a dingo ain't my baby, maybe I'd snap. Yeah, maybe I'd lose it a little bit, especially if I was like super religious. Like maybe like your brain to cope goes straight into witnesses of literally shock. Shock said that they think this is the way of him dealing with his stress and the shock. Yeah. Like he's trying to prepare himself because if you killed your baby sauce as fuck, to be saying that, yeah. You'd think you'd be like maybe acting a little bit more like Yeah, you should probably be like, oh no a dingo has my baby. Do you know what I mean? Like Lindy. Lindy yeah I just think that if you were trying to be not sus Yeah. That is not the right path. Yeah. I think the police were finding it confusing because people were frantically searching. Like there's people, there's neighbors of like camp site neighbors in the documentary that are literally like crying, retelling this story. Also, I'm a pragmatist. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I logically, I don't watch you burst into tears at things. You'll be like, I need to do this. I need to do this. We need to make sure this is done. Like even if something is really harrowing or stressing you out, you'll be like, what is the most logical thing to stop this from being a stressful situation? Obviously his is like a bit intense because 'cause he is got the religious element to his Yeah. He's just saying E if God wills it, then that's what's happened and I just need to process. I need to process what's happening. Yeah. Instead of him being like, no, but she might not be dead. Yeah. Which is what people I think were confused about is they were being like, how'd you know she's dead? Yes. But especially because other people are frantically looking everywhere and the dad is like zenning out and he's just she will be with God. Yeah. But and like maybe there's some comfort in that for him. Exactly. I think he's not too afraid of God's. He's just saying if that's what happened, if you believe in another life, if that's what's happened and you think that God is safe and he's a minister as well. Yeah. I'm not saying I don't think that would be, I'd be like guilty. Yeah. And I think the police were like weird. Yeah, no, weird for sure. But I don't know if I'd be like guilty. Yeah. Okay. That is, I think that's what I think as well. Yeah. Like he, he does like every single time they do speeches in the press, unless be real bitch. I love to say guilty. Yeah. And like when they do like public statements later on and stuff, he's just we know that one day we'll be with her again and we know that we didn't do this. And it's oh my God. Yeah. Just stop. That's that fucking tracks for someone that's religious, doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's just how he's, and you can see Lindy be like, yeah, just shut up. Yeah. But I think he's just, that's his outlook and that's his way of processing is that, I say weird, but people do weird things when they're in shark. Like I just, yeah. I also I think I, I would have the fear if I had a child, obviously I can't speak 'cause I don't know, I don't have a child, so I don't know the love of it. If a dingo stole my baby, but if I had a child and they got kidnapped, I think that it would be very easy for people to say she might, she did it because I think like my full fucking force, logical brain would try to take over. Yes. Rather than. Hysteria also. What do you want? Because Lindy is losing her fucking head and everyone, and you're saying Weird. And this spirals and everyone's ha, ding, I, my baby. All over the media and internet and everything. Taking the piss out of her. Yeah. But then Michael's chill as fuck, and they're like, that's too chill. Something going on there. Suspicious. Yeah. There's no perfect, there's no perfect way to act in this scenario. Yeah. And we could be having this conversation where I really strongly believe that two people did it, and I'd be giving you a totally different argument for the exact same Yeah. Reactions to these people. So I'm not saying I don't think they did it. I'm just saying I don't think that is like the nail in the coffee. Yeah, exactly. So then they start getting statements from everyone because they are like, I don't really know what else to do because everyone's searching and we just have to stop from the start, so everyone calm down and tell me what's going on. They. Actually start getting statements and they realize that no one else, aside from Lindy actually saw the dingo steal Azaria. They all just fully believed her when she said it, because like she just came over and said a dingo story back. And she's saying, I seen it. Yeah. I've seen it take over. And if you said that, I'd be like, okay, that's what's happened. Let's go find out. But the police are like, that's weird because there's only one witness. Okay, that's also not, yeah. Sorry. Do you think that dingo should have been like, sorry, I just gotta wait for a couple of extras to get on the live also, like you can't, no. Yeah. It is crazy because also Regan is one of the friends, four is her brother. Oh, the kids, sorry. Yeah. And he was there as well, but because he's four he says, yeah, I could, he was asleep. Yeah. And he says something like later on in the docket says that he said he could feel the dingo coming into the tent. And waking him up and they're just like. You could have been having a weird dream. Do you know what I mean? They're just very okay, set. You're full. Yeah. Also though, did they just leave the door open? Yeah. I don't, what do you mean? The dingo just came into the tent? Was it not tied or zipped? Did it rip its way in? Like it, I think he just wandered in. Wandered in it. Yeah. I think, I don't think, I think I have more of a problem with that than I do. We I think this is what I, a lot of people have an opinion on this case without knowing facts. I'm not saying like that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's a bad thing, but I'm saying like, it's not something that's people's fault. It's because this case was so massive. Yeah. But there's a lot of detail to it that was really messed with and stuff. Okay. And I don't know what happened. Yeah. And no one knows what happened. The only person probably actually knows what happened is Lindy and, yeah. Either way. And she still doesn't know what happened after if it was a dingo, yeah. So it's just also the media and also there might be an assumption about dingoes because I kept seeing them around, but what if it was someone else? Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't like a wolf. Yeah. Is that something that lives, I don't dunno. And there's so much later on we are saying like, dingo couldn't drag away a baby and it wouldn't get very far, but what if it was a fucking wolf? Yeah. And I think what people have done is because it was such like a wild, elaborate story, is that it became a massive thing and people jumped on it and people have an opinion on it. Where actually I do think there was a few things that she probably could have done a lot better. That doesn't mean I think she did it. Yeah. So we'll we will go on to talk about that. 'cause the problem is do you go and put a nine month old baby in a tent and then pop back to the campfire? I don't really know because I guess if you put a baby upstairs to bed and went downstairs, it's the same amount of distance. But it's do you have a, do you have a baby monitor? Yeah. Are you shutting the door properly? Yeah. I don't know because like maybe Lindy's only, only thing is that she should have made sure the tent was secured. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe that was her only crime built on crime and if she didn't do it, then that's what she has to live with. Live with. Yeah. So like she's already doing Yeah. But there's so much to it. Yeah. Did Dingo leave babies a lot? No. Great. Okay. Sorry. Continue. Another issue that they had with the Chamberlain story was that when Lindy was being questioned, she started telling the police a story about how a dingo had stopped her leaving a cave the previous day and was eyeing up Azaria, putting brackets, Willow, oh my God. This is like the seas all over again. And she, I'm gonna edit that photo. She had to shoo it away and she was convinced that it had followed her back to the campsite. This dingo. Yeah. And was like stalking her a lot. You're giving it too much credit, babe. I don't think that works far. Yeah, literally. The police were really confused at this because on one hand it could be that Lindy is completely panicking and maybe kicking herself and trying to find any kind of like. Reasoning as to what's happened, like it must have been preying on her and watching when I'd put her to bed and all of this stuff. That sounds really wild, but is maybe her spiraling, but on the other hand it could be a really elaborate part of a lie to sound like she's already thought about a coverup story saying that. Oh, and the dingo, I know exactly what dingo it was. 'cause it followed me home yesterday as well, and I knew that it was predatory so yeah, there's she might have just been trying to explain away any just give anything and just say also again in shock, she might be losing it a little bit. Yeah, it's just a bit of a mad thing to say, isn't it? So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she's just like in shock. Lost her child. She's gone a little bit. Bad shit. Yeah. She said, I saw a fucking dingo yesterday. They fucking followed me home and I was taking my fucking baby. Yeah, exactly. She could have just been like, why yesterday did I not tell someone when it's, yeah. And Dingo stopped me leaving the kids. Yeah. Like it stood there. Like IDs please. In either, yeah, in either form. It's a bad story. Yeah. I just think they were a bit like, what? And she was like, I don't know. I'm just like trying to say what I think could have, I don't know. I don't, I'm just trying to say that the dingo might have been out to get me. Dingoes, as far as the police are aware, had never ever been known to kill people, especially not to hunt or prey on them. Okay. So basically they decided this was bullshit. Don't think they should do that. I think there should be a little bit more investigation before that, but fine. Obviously it's not a simple case, but the fact that it was so unheard of dingoes to be violent, let alone steal a person or child and there was no proof or evidence or explanation. This case went absolutely wild. I'd just like to say, I'm not sure how much we'd heard of people decapitating and having sex with heads until Ed Kemba. Yeah. So like I don't think that is potentially a good enough reason to say it could not happen. There has to be a first for everything. Yeah. And it's not like it's a person. It's it is a baby. Yeah. And like, how many people are going out into dingo infested woods? I'm, I keep calling the woods, but dingo infested woods campsites. Leaving their nine month baby. That's very tiny screaming in a tent. Yeah. No, I'm not saying, but she starts crying. Yeah. In a tent that was accessible to a dingo feel. Feels like there's not gonna be many odds for that. No. Yeah. And like it Oh my. Just it's such a painful situation because of how much this spreads at being like the hot gossip. Yeah. It's so the headlines are reading like a dingo Stole My Baby A Dingo Ate my Baby. A story of how a mom covered up a baby's death by blaming a dingo theories about how it was done. Why were they would lie. Like it just it popped off. I think there was headings saying don't worry, the dingo did it. And stuff like that. Being like, they can just blame like, oh, anytime that anyone does anything like petty theft or like GBH or something like that, you can just say, oh, it was a dingo. Yeah, it, everyone was just like, who do you think you are? You are gonna get into it about like the evidence of why, because I'm sure there obviously must have been stuff down the line that also convinced people that this happened and that she did it, and that they had something to do with it. But by just first accounts of everything you've told me, I'm not sure what could have happened in that amount of time. Yes. And I just think it is such an elaborate choice of lie. Yes. Like why didn't you just go back later in the night and then just be like, she's gone. Yeah. This is it. You could have done that and it would've been seen as irresponsible for you have left your baby in the tent alone. But you know that Yes. There, there is an easier version of this lie. Yeah. There is an easier version of it. And like it, there they do. Oh, it's, yeah. We always have to get into it. But then people do make fucking wild ass stories up. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the time they are like so unfactual. And like people will be like, oh, I was watching this or I was doing this, or my alibi was this. And it's yeah, you weren't there. Your friend told me he went there. Yeah. Remember when we did, he'd be so stupid. Didn't that situation Robert Dust? And he was like, yeah. I went on that walk and yeah. I saw my neighbor. I had drink, I had to drink with my neighbor. And his neighbor was like, I've never fucking seen him once. Yeah. And it's like, why did you think that's, have that, why did you say that? Don't bring someone else into it who's not even been briefed about the lie that they must to tell for you. I guess you, you can't hold a dingo. You can't question dingo. You can't hold them accountable. If you fucking watch me, if you can't find that dingo, I'm gonna get right out there, mate. Yeah. I'm gonna have a word without dingo. Yeah. If you can't do that, I guess it's foolproof. Yeah. 'cause you're just saying find the dingo that did that. Yeah. Yes. I think it's annoying because the police let it slip and without really gaining any evidence that it's not true. They'd just say that it's not true. Yeah. Which is a bad way of investigating. Yeah. And the media are literally like, what the hell did you just say? She said happened? And it's everywhere. Yeah. Like it's literally going everywhere. If a dingo ate her fucking baby, Jesus Christ. I'm so sorry for this woman. I'm so convinced that I did. I just don't know though this woman and this man because I just dunno if this Yeah. Anyway, sorry. I think the reason why it pops off so much is because whether it's, if it's not true, it's such an elaborate lie. And if it is true, then it's just absolutely fucked. The most wildest thing Yeah. That anyone has heard in a long time, so yeah. Apparently she's just gone. There's no explanation. It gives people the platform to say anything they want. They can go as elaborate as they want, they can start making up things and 'cause dingo are so common, it's everyone's saying, oh, why didn't that happen to my child? And why didn't it happen here? And why didn't it happen there? And what if it happens here? And what if it happens there? And the media are just spiraling because it's literally just like walking through Asia and seeing wild dogs on the street. Yeah. Which we have both. Yeah. Yeah. Exposed to that. It's like that. But you're just in awes and they're just roaming about. Loads of them. Nobody's business. So it all starts within a day. Once people have got hold of the story, it was everywhere. There was theories that started cropping up. I do understand if they're everywhere, like the law of averages, if people, no one's being attacked by a dingo they're everywhere in the Outback and stuff, so like in more built up areas you wouldn't see them. But everyone's saying, oh, I've been on camping holidays for years with my family and a dingo's never even come near me. It's bullshit. Yeah. I like, fuck them. Fuck you fucking glamping. Shut up. I, yeah I just mean in the law of averages. Yeah. For something that seems quite common in the Outback, I would say you just weird that I, not the same scenario, Dingo ate my baby. 'cause like I, again, I'm not sure how many opportunities Dingo would've had to eat a baby. Yeah. The fact that they never attack ah, okay. Different then we will. Yeah, we'll come to that at some point. So some of the theories were that one of their other children did it. They thought that it could be part sorry. How old were the kids? Four and seven or something like that. Oh my God. They, one of, some of them thought it was part of a ritual because of Michael's beliefs. Correct. And they sacrificed people fucking love to go straight to the occult. Yeah. Isn't it a face facet of Christianity? Shut up. Yeah. So they're saying it was like some sacrifice, like sacrificial type thing. There were theories of it being massive bats that came down and stole her because they were like, I love that. If it could be a dingo, it could be a bat. It's like the staircase when it's the owl theory. Oh, love it. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. And it just blew up with all sorts of stories. And the more elaborate, the better because not the better for the family, but for the better for Australia. The media. And the media because the story was already elaborate, so go more elaborate. Say all of these things that you know. So everyone just had their fucking opinion everywhere. Straight away the family were receiving threats. They were receiving letters saying that they must have been abusive. They didn't wanna have to raise her. But they kept the other two. Yeah. Bad theory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so random because you could have said a dingo at all my kids. Yeah. Then yeah. And like, why did a dingo not meet your child until you're nine month old? Which is your youngest. Yeah. Yep. Also, around this time, people had found out in the media, which was something that really kicked people off, is that azaria actually means sacrifice in the wilderness as a name. So people were like, it was always a plan from day one, like just such a hooligan time. Michael in the dock is no girl, it's just a Christian name for love and God and all the God things, doesn't matter. Tanisha means born on a Monday. Yeah. She said I looked like I was born on a Monday as well. What the hell Amy means Beloved. Alternatively in Sanskrit, which we're gonna go with means ambition or desire. Yeah. Fair desire. Free from desire. It also means fairy queen. Oh, fairy queen. That's nice. I think mine just means born on Monday. That's actually fucking hilarious. That is hilarious. That's actually so funny. Same as being the news, isn't it? Yeah, because I was just gonna be like, isn't that because you were born on a Monday? And I was like, no, but that's your birth date, not your, I think not my name. Yeah. That's so funny. I think mine means beloved. Quite boring. What day of the week was Jan? Fifth, 1997. Monday. It was a Sunday. A Sunday. Oh, that's my day as well. That's your, that's my day reset day, my day. Sunday's a sacred. Yeah, that's fair. Sunday's a sacrificial. I worship at the temple of Tanisha, temple of me today. Okay. But anyway, is what I mean is I wasn't fucking born on a Monday, was I? Yeah. It just doesn't matter. Doesn't mean the sacrificed her in the woods and Michael's no, we just picked a Christian name for love and God and all of this stuff, yeah. I quite like Azaria. But people were like, it was always a plan and the sign that they were, I bet someone just wrote that into Wikipedia. Think funny. Yeah. So Lindy actually does a TV interview about everything like a couple of weeks later. And this does not help her case at all because she is completely deadpan. Yeah. The whole thing. And I watched it and she's saying like really detailed stuff about how it would've had to have cut the baby and like all of this stuff. I think it's like really weird. Like she's looking at like photos of the scene and telling them like how they would've, how a dingo which way it walked and stuff, and like how it must have dragged her and like how it like ripped the tent or the blankets or something like that. And it's just like really, like emotionless. Yes. And that flips out the media again and they're saying like, and fucking zani will do that though. Yeah. Yeah. And there's the. Basically in the doc it says that they had to do that so many times and every time she tried to speak, she'd just break down. And in the end they said, if you are gonna get your point across, you need to hold it together. And that was like take seven or something. Oh, okay. Where she just got it all out. Yeah. And was like, and she managed to pull herself together. And I think when you're trying that hard to not get upset, there's also an argument of it can come across as you're just like completely emotionless. Yeah. But it did not do well in the media because everyone was just like, she don't give a fuck mate. Look at how she's behaving. She's completely fine. She's got no emotion. She's talking about a dead child. Everyone has a lot to say. Yeah. A lot to say. I don't know. I, again, I'm still not convinced that she didn't do it. Yeah. That she didn't have something to do with it. I just. You are not giving me any evidence. The police are like, I haven't even got anything at this point. Yeah. She's you are not gonna do anything. I'm gonna go on tv. She doesn't appeal. And she cries and cries in the appeal and the media. Rip her down to shreds and say that she's faking it. Yeah. So she does this TV interview, stone Cold, trying to get her point across and people say that she's faking it 'cause she's got no emotion. Yeah. She's yeah. She's I'm just gonna get out here and just try and get as much information out there as possible to see if anyone knows anything about this. If anyone knows anything about dingo attacks, if anyone knows anything about that area, if anyone's heard anything or found anything. Like the police ain't doing that. No. So I'm doing that. Yeah. But she just couldn't win. I just like to say the burden of proof should not be left to the parents, regardless. Yeah. Of whether you think they did or didn't do it. Yeah. As a police force, you should be investigating it. 'cause that is what you are fucking paid to do and that's what you're there for. You should be protecting you do not just get to decide what you believe happened. You need to prove what you believe happened. Yeah. And I don't care if you were even working to prove your theory, at least you're doing something like just not finding the baby, seeing the blankets and then deciding that you think the parents is suss is not enough evidence to decide that somebody did this to a child. Yes. And the fact that they should really be protecting these two really vulnerable people. Yeah. That are spiraling hard. But instead they just let it slip to the media that they think that the story's a loaded bull and then the media just rip them to shreds and they can't leave their house or anything, fucking hate them. And it's just yeah. It's can you guys do something? Because anyone at any point thought. What if they didn't do it, and then what the, basically the police are like we should do something. So what they do is they order a team of hunters to go out into the woods. And the woods. I'm saying the woods now. It doesn't even say that. The woods and hunts. That's the way I'm picturing it. Yeah. It's woods. Yeah. I think it's I'm picturing like Red Sands a clearing cliff. It's Red Rocks. Red Sands? Yeah. A clearing like big, tall fucking pines, but like a clearing where the campsite is. And then the way I'm seeing the tent is like dingo pulls baby off into the woods. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like it runs off and it's gone. Yeah. Like it's not it's like open space so she can watch it for a bit. It's gone. Yeah. It must not be, it must be the woods. It must be hard to find. So it has to be wooded. Yeah so the police, they just decide to order a team of hunters to go out and hunt wild dingoes in the surrounding areas and check their stomachs to see if they could find human rain remains. Now, I don't really know what else you'd do in that situation, but it's like the one thing the police have decided to do is just go and kill a load of wild animals. Probably let's go out with our pitchforks and earth fire on sticks. Yeah. Could you not just go out hunting for some evidence of the baby? I know. Nothing turned up. Every single 'cause. Also, if she killed the baby, where is it? Yeah. Where is it? They're just like they're like, we dunno what to do. We can't find anything, but we don't believe you for whatever reason. But maybe because it's too of an elaborate story, but there's no proof either way that it's inconclusive either way. So don't let the media do what the media are doing without standing up and saying it could not. It could be true. Yeah. Like we're not saying it's not true, yeah. They're just being like, yeah, that is bullshit. What happened to impartial people? Yeah. When did we get to a point where it's just if that's my opinion, it must be right. Yeah. You are letting people like fucking slimy slimer face last week get off scot-free, even though he murdered two people and there's evidence. Oh my God. Yeah. But these geezers, you're absolutely convinced that they did it. Yeah. Even though there's no evidence. Literally. And what's the difference? She's a woman. She's a woman. So nothing turns up. A week after the disappearance, a photographer was out taking pictures by the base of this big rock, and he found a onesie of a baby and a nappy, and they had been completely shredded. It didn't really give insight to where the dingo could have gone after this, but when the police had the items forensically tested, it came back as being azaria's. Okay. However, they did some tests by putting clothes with meat in baby's clothes and gave it to some dingoes, and the results of them came back and the scratches weren't the same. Okay. Apparently according to the police, it seemed like the clothes had been chopped up with scissors. It seemed sorry. Okay, let me just get on the, let me just, let me put my police hat on. Yeah, I've got it on. I'm an idiot. No, sorry. That's so good. I've got my police hat on and I'm saying, okay. So she puts the baby in the tent. She walks away. It's been five minutes. Baby's screaming. She goes back. So we know the baby's alive 'cause we heard the baby scream. Unless she's got prerecorded baby scream. Oh. You wait till you see what they fucking do. Prerecorded baby scream. So we go back. So another five minutes dingo's like my baby or less, blah, blah, blah. So we're saying in 10 minutes? No we're not. Unless we, if we believe the prerecorded baby screen. We're saying in 10 minutes. If we don't think that there's a prerecorded baby screen, we're saying five minutes, she has got rid of a baby. Murdered it, buried it, put it somewhere, threw it out to the woods. Yep. Shredded up its onesie and its nappy. Put it next to the big rock. And then blood everywhere. Blankets fucked up. Blankets everywhere. Yep. Back to the. Yep. And they're like, realistically, that didn't happen because that's not enough time. Apparently, so everyone's in honor, these clothes were found in the exact same area the Chamberlain family had been exploring the day before. Aria's disappearance. Okay. So at this point they're saying it looks like someone has done this. Not a dingo. Yeah. Cut up the clothes. They're saying it's in an area that the Chamberlains had already been and already knew the root of. Yeah. They're saying. Also, is this too early to tell you this? I don't know, but at some point as well, there's also a guy that analyzes the dingo footprints. Yeah. And the police are being really like, suss about what the results were. And they're basically saying, not possible. Not possible. The clothes cut up by a person. The, this photographer found them, could have been cut up by a person, not a dingo. Must be a person. The prince in the sand. Not no. Okay. They're just shutting it down left and center. Then they say, oh, they did that walk yesterday where the baby's clothes were found. So they knew where they knew that walk, like the back of their hands or whatever. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, sure. 'cause I walk places and then I know it. Yeah. Like instantly. And it means that's a really smart place for you to dispose to. Same place. It doesn't take me at least six months to figure out how to drive the same route. Yeah. They put all of that. Yeah. All of that crazy evidence that they have all two things that aren't even slightly factual. Yeah. They put, and all of the statements of everyone around that literally says, I saw five minutes. Five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. All of this timing. They put it to a coroner's report to see what they thought had happened, because it was such a massive deal at the time because of its wild, like big tagline. And everyone just wanted answers. Yeah. The medical examiner agreed to actually publicly announce the findings because so many people were like, oh my God, what's the score? What's going on? Findings. Is a very strong word on a live broadcast to the whole of Australia, but much to Australia's dismay, the coroner's report actually agreed with Michael and Lindy's statements and says that they're just a family that have not only suffered a loss of a baby because of a wild animal, but they're also being subject to slander from the news and the country and need to grieve because there is just not enough evidence to prove that they've done anything wrong. And they said, they did say in it. It doesn't mean that human interference was out of the question. Yeah. It just means that with what they've got right now, you just need to fucking leave them alone. It's not bad. Yeah. You just need to leave them alone, which I agree with. Yeah. Basically Australia don't care. Yeah, of course Australia are like, that's not a good story. Yeah, it's not a good story. Australia are like, that would fucking suck. Yeah. If you think that it did do that, that would suck. And the police are pissed And what the doc says, and it is interesting because the doc is very much like Lindy is the main gal. It's her story. Okay. And the doc I watch. So it's from her perspective. Yeah. I think it's called like murder and no trial in the Outback, A Lindy Chamberlain story or something like that. I watched it on you. Yes. So it is like she's main event, her kids are in it her husband. Michael, I think actually it's just old clips of Michael. I can't remember. Her friends are in it. Yeah. Stuff like that. So it's very much like people that know her and people that fully believe her and stuff. 'Cause my guess is she was the one that was fucking fried by the media. Oh my God. Yeah. It's so bad. Honestly, the amount of fucking times as well that they're like, she was so pretty and just so beautiful. Oh, I fucking hate that. So young and so slim and everyone was like, God, are you a murderer? That's so unlike you as a beautiful woman. And I was like, why is every fucking time? It's always about that they just love to sensationalize and as soon as it's about a woman, it's always something to do with her looks. Yeah. And I think that's why it popped off so much is because everyone was like a beautiful mother murdering her little baby girl. Girls don't do that. Like she must be a cold-blooded killer that's pretending to be this beautiful person, and it was just so me, and like fucking Michael. Michael's chilling. Yeah. Like it, they think that they did it together, but Michael's not getting any shit. No. Michael's just, of course not going about his day to day, as if nothing's gone wrong. And the police are pissed. And in the dock it push towards the fact that it would, if it was to be true, it would unleash fear and it would ruin tourism. Yes. And people could have interfered to make sure that Lindy took the blame for this. Because if there was any concrete evidence to make sure that it was true, people would've stopped going to campsites and people would've stopped coming to Australia because they'd all of a sudden be like, these wild animals are dangerous. Yeah. Also, I think that the. They don't even need to win in a court of law. Yeah. They just need to win trial by public opinion. Exactly. Oh my God. Yeah. And as soon as you win that, it doesn't really matter what the narrative is. This trial is they were never ever gonna, they were doomed from day one. Yeah. Because the public had made up their mind. Yes. And one person's life lost. Two because Azaria. Yeah. But her going going away for this is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things. That, that, if there was proof that it was real, people would've just freaked out and been like, I'm not ever going camping in the Outback ever again. Yeah. There'd be an uproar in Australia and the media would be pissed 'cause they'd be like, that's not our fun story. Yeah. You've led us to believe the polls are saying it's scandal, it's intrigue. Gets far corrupt. Interesting that Oingo didn't eat her baby and she did it. Yeah. Again. Can't say that a hundred percent no. Also have to be very mindful of the fact that you watched a documentary that is geared Yeah. Geared towards her opinion. And I did do I read a few things about it, but I was just like, can everyone just stop? Even? Even though this is literally cheeky for me because this is what we do. It's give our opinions on stuff that is nothing to do with us, literally. But I was literally like, can everyone just shut the fuck up for a minute? And like she is strange. Like I don't want to say that in a mean way, but there is, it might be because I didn't know her before this happened to her. Yes. I didn't know her now, but like I didn't know anything about her before. Just seeing what she's had to deal with and how she behaves now. But there are a few other things that make me think that she has done some stuff that are questionable in the past. Yeah. But I think that right now where we are at in this story. A medical examiner has said, there is just not enough information, there's not enough evidence, there's nothing for me to give a co coroner's report that, so that con conclusively says that these people had any interference Yeah. In their kid's death at all. Yeah. I just absolutely cannot condone it no matter what the public want from me. And the, and everyone's just said, yeah, but they could have done it though still. And he's great. So glad I publicized that then. Yeah. It was never gonna matter what I was gonna say because you guys already have formulated an opinion in your head. Yeah. Yeah. So friends, family and friends of Lindy and Michael come forward and say that she isn't normally like this on interviews. She's just trying to be brave and that's why she seems nonchalant. They also say in the doc that like some line of questioning was off recording when they were being interviewed and. The questions have been directed to push the questioning towards things like, did you really hear a baby cry though? Yes. Could it have definitely been a baby or could it have been a dingo in the distance? Yeah. Crying out. How sure are you that some of the questions being like, but did you really see the baby at the campsite? And because it was in her arms. Like they, like at the start they were like, yeah, we saw her and like we could hear her like goggling, things like that. Yeah. Making baby noises. And they were like, but did you though can you say a hundred million percent that you did? And because you've got like the trial by media going on at the same time also it's really important to understand how flawed. Human memory is. Yeah. Yeah. How easily manipulated. Yeah. A memory is if you focus too hard or you think too much or you question oh, forest submitting to the yogurt shop murders way back in the day. Yeah. So you every Morris and fort as Morris and Fort, yeah. Everyone likes to think that they are above being manipulated that way. But I can tell you that there's like memories that I have that I know I have altered myself over the years. Yeah. And I'm not even certain that they're the same memory Yeah. That I had. And now I dunno the difference between what was real and what wasn't. I just know that the. There might be a chance that I've made things up. Yeah. Especially if there is some sort of trauma in it as well. Yeah. If I think back to like traumatic things or times or situations that I've been in, I can't remember who said what first and who said what when. Because it all happens in like a spiral of things that you can't really fully remember. Exactly. A way that I also have an quite a, like quite an unbelievable memory. Yeah. I don't remember most of my childhood. Yeah, same. Don't remember most of it. Yeah. Like at all. Yeah. And someone can tell me something and I'll be like, oh my God, I do remember that. Yeah. And like the other day I was telling a story and I said, and then I said this and Lauren said, no, I said that to you. Yeah. And I was like, no, I said that to you. And she was like, Amy, I said that to you because this is how you responded. And I said, oh yeah. And she said, yeah, I told you that. And is, and now you are telling me that story and that, is that a memory? So I, yeah. And then someone tells you something like that and you think, is that a memory or is that just something I've implanted in my head? Because somebody told me Yeah. About it. And I said, oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And you didn't really remember it. Yes. You just plain planted a memory. Yes. Because we spoke about this before. Every time you remember something, you're remembering your last memory of it. Of it. So if the last time you remember it, someone says, but did you hear the cry? Or did you just get told about the cry? Yeah. And then when you think about it again, you're like, did I hear the cry? And you get further and further away and you say, but did I see the baby? Or did I just see the blankets and did I actually hear the cry? Or did everything just happen really quickly? And then did I think that I heard it? And they're saying, I didn't really hear it. They're saying, did Michael say that it was, that she was with God before this or before, and they were saying like, oh my God, maybe Michael had just decided she'd died. Your memory is untrustworthy. Yeah, it's untrustworthy. The further and further you get from a, from an event, the more untrustworthy your memory is. Yeah. So the police. We're trying to push for the theory that Azaria was already dead at the camp site. In the, so they're trying to say she was not stirring and therefore you didn't hear either. She bought her to the camp campsite, but she was dead. Yeah. Or she just had some rolled up blankets and it wasn't azaria. And there's some people that said, I literally said to the interviewer, I literally said. I went over to the baby and saw the baby. Yeah. And they were like, and by the end, I wasn't sure if I'd seen the baby or I'd just heard the baby. And then when she said she was going to put the baby to bed, did I see the baby asleep or did I see the baby dead? Do you know what I mean? Because you're like, oh my God. I don't know. And because you haven't seen Lindy and Michael in ages and you didn't know in that moment that you were supposed to be looking if the baby was alive or not. And all you're seeing online is or like all over the newspapers and whatever. Also chaos everywhere after something as traumatic as a dingo ain't my really, this woman comes screaming out everything else that night becomes completely insignificant. Yeah. So that you wouldn't know beforehand the likelihood of you reme that's a memory that you need to keep. Yeah. Yeah. If the likelihood of you being so certain of yourself, me and you could sat downstairs and ate pizza earlier. If something really traumatic happened now and then someone came to me in a few days and said, you and Amy sat on the sofa and ate pizza, but you didn't, what you actually ate was spaghetti. I'd probably be like yeah. Exactly. Probably like I, and you could tell me, we had a conversation about this. You could say, I said this. You could say That happened yeah. That you could abso Yeah. If something you could if we were talking about our night now, I'd be like, no, I fucking ate pizza. Because like, why wouldn't I remember that? Also, I've now mocked it in my brain, so like I know. Yeah. You'll, but if something significant happened Yeah. If Tom had ran in being like, there's been a fucking disaster. Do you know what I mean? All of a sudden all of that becomes completely insignificant. Yeah. And even if that was important down the line, I don't remember it as well because you haven't locked it in as it being something important that you need to remember. Yeah. It's totally fair enough. And they were like, sometimes they wouldn't have the tapes on and they would be asking us questions. That now when I think back on, it was really swaying us into doubting everything that we thought we knew. Yeah. Because they really wanted one of us to just say, yeah, I didn't hear a scream. Yeah. And then they could have been like, haha. There's a fault in this story here. Also, everyone, I just have to be really clear. If a dingo ate your baby and people tried to convince me that you were a murder, I'd be like, I heard the scream. I saw the fucking baby. Yeah. I'm certain. Yeah. Yeah. And then afterwards I'd be like, she kill the baby. Yeah. Did you get, did you do that? I did say I definitely heard the scream. 'cause I said I heard the scream and I said I saw the baby, but I actually don't know anymore. Yeah. And luckily her mates who have stayed her mates this whole time kind of thing were like adamant. Yeah. Like their stories never wavered. Why is that not the most important thing? Why they have witness statements, bro? Why are the actual fucking people who were there? The only people, I don't care if they're our friends, if that's all you've got, it's all you've got, man. Yeah. If that's all they've got, and then there's like they, oh, they just they're, they've come up now with this elaborate thing of saying, yeah, but they, she could have put the dead baby to dinner. She could have had a rolled up load of blankets. I think I would've noticed if there was a dead baby at dinner. Yeah. Can you just find some fucking evidence? Yeah. Just prove it. Is there witness statements? Not enough to just say she's innocent now, but will keep an eye out, do you also do some like DNA on the baby grow and prove that it's was like the, it was an alive baby and not a dead one? Yeah. So do, I don't know how old the blood is, if there's blood on it. Do you know just fucking do your job. Yeah. So do your fucking job. For some reason they're just absolutely not convinced. They still so set on this, like the clothes have been cut up by a pair of scissors or whatever. So on September the 19th after the public report from the coroner's report, the police actually still managed to get a warrant to search the Chamberlain's family home. And I think they are specifically searching for the scissors. Yes. Because you bring them home. Yeah. Yeah. But any evidence of foul play is what they're looking for because they have literally nothing. Yes. This is when the iconic liquid is found in their car. Oh. So this is a patch of dried up liquid in the back of their car that could very well be blood. When Lindy and Michael were taken in for questioning about this, the story that they told was that they were on their way to the campsite to go hiking. They picked up a hitchhiker and he was bleeding. The police were not convinced again because they just were like, this family's full of shy. So they tested the blood but also aimed to locate the hitchhiker and they found the hitchhiker. Okay. And he confirmed this story and said I was bleeding. However, the results came back and it was blood but not his. Okay. Obviously, again, the news I like, but it is blood, but it's not his. But it was inconclusive of it being azaria's either, but it wasn't the hitchhiker, which they said that it was okay, but not, I don't want to keep running to their defense all the time. But if a hitchhiker got into your car and there was a moment where you noticed they were bleeding. Yeah. And then at some point someone says, oh, there's blood in your car. The first frame of reference of an event where someone's bleeding in your car is potentially the hitchhiker who is bleeding. Yeah. Maybe you are wrong. Maybe the blood that's on the car is not that. Bro, I'm telling you now there's blood in my car because I am bleeding for sure. 90% of, for your blood's in my car. Because you picked the shit out of your hands today. Yeah. Yeah. Like I just, if someone said to me, there's a patch of blood in your car, and the day before I'd picked up a hitchhiker and they were bleeding, I'd say, oh, I was, I had a hitchhiker in the car. Yeah. I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say someone bled in my car or tell the truth what you think. It's, I'd say I think that's what it is. Also if she's saying the dingo wouldn't let me out of the cave the other day, and everyone's what the fuck did you tell us that for? That's weird. If she then said, also a hitchhike was bleeding in my car the other day, by the way. They'd be like, you are insane. Do you know what I mean? They Oh, bad. They would be like, why are you telling us that? Yeah. Why are you bringing up blood in the car? That's weird. Also. It is true. Weird. And then you can pr you found the hitchhiker, you can prove it. Oh, it doesn't turn out to be their blood. I don't know. Like I just, again weird that there's blood there. Weird that they can't attribute it to anyone. Not weird. That they might have thought the blood was from the hitchhiker. Yes, exactly. Not that weird. Yeah, I think that's the thing. It's like he confirmed the story so that was a true story. It's not like they just said some random thing. I was like, I think he was bleeding and he was like, I wasn't bleeding. I dunno where they got that from. It's like he actually was, and he confirmed all of that. Yeah, but then there's still blood in their, in the back of their car. Yeah. Which is, yeah. And it's not his it was inconclusive if it was hers, but it was definitely not his. Great. So the news literally goes off again and they're like, oh my God, why are they releasing the shit to the press constantly when it's an open case? I dunno, it's the eighties, man, Australia. Get your shit together. I know. Literally crazy. This was where I said first potential stop. The blood will return next week from a blood talk. Okay. That's it. We're doing this in a two-parter. We thought we were gonna, I dunno how you thought that was gonna be one. We did waffle to show. Yeah. Only on page five out of nine. Yeah, that's a good little mark. Might be a bit of a shorter one. Second half. Yeah. But we're sick. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot to dissect though all the time. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. With these, with this. Right now I Okay. I'm gonna leave you with my conclusions. Yeah. I don't think they didn't do it. No, I don't think you are giving me enough to believe that they did. Yeah. I would be intrigued to. I right now I feel like the police have done fucking anything. Yes. I, yeah. This is the first actual piece of something that I think they could link back to the baby in some way. Yes. Because before they said, oh, it could have been cut with scissors. And it's yeah, but also a tree could have ripped it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I also just think you probably need to find other what are the other things? Yeah. You what could, it could have been, okay, you need a could scissors. It could have been, it couldn't have been a dingo, could it not? Did dingoes ever only ever rip up in one pattern? I don't know. Yeah. Like I, I'm, I, what's the control? Yeah. How much were you testing? How many dingoes did you get to rip up immediately? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway just lots of questions. Yeah. There's a lot, I think is my conclusion and the fact that already the media have decided that she is guilty. Yes. With all of that. Is that, is all the information there was. Yes. Whether you believe her or believe the or believe the media or the police. Yeah. Or whether you believe she did it or that she's innocent. There is not enough evidence anywhere so far that's fuck, like that is the media. Fuck that you have literally signed her into prison. Yeah. Like they have just said even if she doesn't get arrested, her life is over because we've decided that story is too out there for her to be telling the truth. Yeah. Like she's already living in hell and. Yeah. There's nothing. Yeah. There's literally nothing. There's nothing that says that she is telling the truth, but Yeah. But even if she's guilty, even if she did do it, I still don't like the way that they've conducted themselves. It's that you are not being thorough. Yeah. 'cause the police are being like, oh, she's screaming, but he's too chill. Yeah. But now she's too chill. But now he's crying on the me in the media and she's hot. So she must have done it. Yeah. And it's what are you talking about? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And now we're getting into a realm of, okay, there's blood in the car. They've potentially lied about the blood in the car. Okay. I can see, I, if we were getting to a point where now it's now we're getting a bit suss of them. Yeah. I'd be like, okay I'm in. Yeah. I see why we're getting a bit suspect. But the fact that they've got, they've come in fucking hot. Yes. Yes. And decided that they're guilty from Yeah. And they've already decided it before this. Blood had even, yeah. Appeared. So once it had appeared, it just sent the media into a frenzy again, even worse. And it was just like, why is not all of this done efficiently, thoroughly, and more undercover than this? Yeah. 'cause this is someone's livelihood and a baby died, by the way guys. And at this point could just remember that literally they're making cartoons of it. They're putting it on mugs. They're saying like, there's like books that will sign off. They have fun, baby. It'll be like the, no, yeah, it'll be like the life of a dingo or something. And it'll be like, oh, go out for my dinner snack or whatever. And all of this stuff, like they're making like little drawing books of it and stuff. Like luckily I say luckily 'cause it's a bit weird, but like Lindy is yeah, I'll just laugh at it. And like even her kids are like, yeah. We've got like dark humor in the house where we'll just be like, we have to laugh at it. She's because we've just gone through so much and there's references of it everywhere, and it'll be on like fucking birthday cards and shit. And she's you just have to become accustomed to the fact that the media just thought it was just an iconic slogan as opposed to the most traumatic thing that will ever happen to you. Oh my God. Yeah. So it is the quote is like a funny quote to people, but it's really got a fucked up. Meaning, meaning it's fucking dark. Yeah. I think a lot of the shorthand sayings that people fucking love to use Yeah. Yeah. Tend to have that, but Jesus, that those Yeah. Those, let me just say the poor family. Yeah. Yeah. Because regardless they lost a baby. Yeah. And these two other kids go through. Yeah. I was Same. So those same names they lost a sister. Yeah. Like that. Regardless of what you think, that is fucked for them. Yep. That's it. Thank you for listening to part one and now we're on smack to part two. Yes. Off we go. I really need to pay, so see you next week. Steve Book. Oh, we didn't do any of the Oh. Follow us on Instagram at Kill The Mood po. 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