The Hinterkaifeck Murders

This week, we’re heading to a remote Bavarian farm in 1922, the site of one of the most unsettling unsolved cases in true crime history.

In this episode, we explore the Hinterkaifeck murders. Strange footprints in the snow. Unexplained noises from the attic. Keys disappearing. Then, a gruesome discovery: six victims, no clear motive, and no confirmed suspect.

We’ll break down the eerie timeline, the disturbing details, and the theories that still surround the case more than a century later. Because what makes this story so chilling isn’t just the crime, it’s the possibility that the killer never really left.

So grab a drink, settle in… the deeper we go, the stranger it gets.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Okay, ready? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Welcome to Kill the Mood Podcast. We are here to talk to you about everything spooky-dooky. We're not professionals and we mean no offense in anything we say. This is just us trying to make sense of the senseless.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Without further ado, this week's case is The Hinter Kyfek murders. Yes. But before we get there, you had something to tell me about being away my baby. Yes, I did. I was also just thinking about merch and Okay, this is just us trying to make sense of the senseless. It's quite good. Yes, yeah. A good bit a good line for the merch. Yeah, we we have been to the pub. We have been to the pub. We were like, oh, we've really got to record today because we haven't been we haven't recorded for mum. And we had quite a big bag, and obviously the last home was before Amy went on holiday, and then I was on holiday, but like I just sat in my house and read fucking eight books in a week because I had that is literally all my two books.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

I was really proud of myself. So then I got back into Nisha was like, Yeah, just read eight.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Yeah, I finished the big fat fucking alchemized book that I was talking about, and then Hannah, our friend, messaged me and was like, Oh, I'm thinking about it, like I'm thinking about reading it, and then I was like, Yeah, it's good, but like people need to stop saying that it's like a dark romance because it's just a fucking war story. Don't get me wrong, there's some smut in there. Yeah, but like for the most part, I literally I put the book down and I was just staring at the wall, and Tom was like, Are you okay? And I was like, No, I actually don't think I am. Also, me and Tanisha were literally talking about these books at work. One of the managers came around the corner with some people that were doing this, and we're like, This is just two of our managers having a handover, and then we were both like, Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. We've got matching water bottles now. Then we were having a really serious manager's manager conversation. He was like, This is just them having a managerial handover conversation, and he walked off and we were both like, Yes, and we were just talking about smart, and then yeah, me and Hannah were talking about it, and then she was like, I'm reading a book and it's just got no fucking spice. And then I was like, Yeah, I literally have to switch between like full war story and like fantasy to just pure smart, just so like a palette cleanser, and like I started reading this book, and it's just it's called Willing Prey, and it is literally just a man hires this woman so he can hunt her in the woods. It's fucking carnage, and I devoured it so quickly. That's to be fair. Do you want me to read a book quickly? Oh yeah, oh you can have it, you can have it, but it is it's a great palette cleanser if you need to go to something different, like it's not fantasy, it's not nothing, it's just pure fucking sex. That's fine. Yeah. That's what we need. This is late days. That's what we want. Anyway, tell us about Ding About My Baby. Yeah, so obviously, if you haven't listened to last week, more full. That's on you.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Yep. But my friend Cora was filling me in on the deeps about I did mention that it the references were in like maybe The Simpsons, and they were in I can't remember what the other thing was for the life of me.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I did search it again. It was something like You put one up of Report. Yeah, and I didn't even I was just watching, I literally was watching Down Under, so I finally got to I've been watching them in order from the start, and I finally got to Down Under season one, which is the most unhinged season. Yes, it is I've ever watched. Yeah, it is really unhinged. With ketamine and Anita Wiglet. Yeah, yeah. I do love that season. Yeah, it is so good. But then because they're in Australia, they just randomly did that reference, and I was like, Lauren, go back, go back right now, skip it back. And then Cora messaged me after the episode came out as well and just said that actually she used to have merge that said a dingo ate my baby. Fucking hell. Because in Buffy, that's what their band is. Yes! Yeah, oh yeah, and that's what the reference is that they'd named the band Adingo Date My Baby. And Cora just harmlessly thought that was just what the name was. Also, fucked. Like, obviously, it's been a month, so like I don't fully remember what our stance was, but like that fucking woman had her baby taken away from her by a dingo, and I think we let we left on. We both very much believe that was what happened. Yeah, I just don't see what else happened. And people are like, put that on a t-shirt, make that a reference in Buffy. Like, fucking RuPaul's still bringing it up on drag race. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Like 2020, I think. Because that's where that's what like time frame I'm at.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

And yeah, literally, the second I saw the reference, I was like, hang on. And actually, in that season, someone plays her in the snatch game. And it's really I think I remember now. It's actually it's not good, it's bad. Like, it's a bad, it's bad, you shouldn't do that. Yeah, but the impression is really good. The whole time she's in complete character, and Laurem's no, I think this is the episode where what you've literally just done a podcast on has become so apparent, and then yeah, RuPaul did that, and then yeah, Snatch Game. I was like, what the hell? Like, it's all come into light so quickly. There you go, it's seeped into our lives since then. And Cora literally had the merch because she was a huge Buffy fan, because she was a huge dingo no baby fan. Yeah, probably didn't even know what it meant. But yeah, she was like, from listening to this, I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, that feels bad. It all feels problematic. But yes, yeah, okay, so that's it. That's how that's our roundup. Yeah, welcome back for you guys. It's only been a week for us, it has been yeah, a while. Yeah, I'm telling you. Since we've sat here and done this, kind of. Yeah, she's got a slight glow.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Yeah, I'm slightly glowing. I'm holding on to it.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Yeah, and I just like I literally I think I have nine days off, and I it was so lovely, but it went so quickly. Yeah, insane. And Tanisha was on the fence about coming with us for so long. So every single time we do something fun. Like we did do some really fun shit, but every single time we'd be in the midst of doing something fun, and we'd be like, Where's Tina Tom? Where's Nissan Tom? Yeah, yeah, but we had some rest, and that's what's yes, and we're back. We're on it, and yeah, so it's the hinter kaifek murders. Never heard of this. Yeah, have you not?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

No.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

I think you might once you hear it, I think you might have heard of it. I hope not. Yeah, yeah. I'll give you something new entirely. I don't know how long it's gonna be, and also definitely got bored of doing this towards the end of the notes, so it gets a bit dicey. Look at this. I did my thing again, and then I just get in sparse. It's just like one-worded bullet point. Yeah, basically, just don't care anymore. No, that's so rude. Do obviously do. This is a quite a historic case though. Yeah, okay. So, happened a very long time ago. Maybe that's it. Um, it we're going to the night of the 31st of March 1922. And we're going to a remote Bavarian farmstead known as Hinter Kaifek. Obsessed. Located between the towns of uh Schrobenhausen and Ingolstadt in southern Germany. I've been testing those.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

And then you said Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Germany, Jeremy, Germany. I might be buzzed. I've definitely had at least one glass of wine and two guinness. No, that was so good, I would not have even. Thank you very much. Also, I must have been drunk when I wrote the notes because my next line is the farm stood.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

And that's it.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Oh no, that was right. The farm stood in near total isolation. Maybe I am drunk. Yeah. Accessible only by a narrow path surrounded by woodland and open fields. So it's really isolated. It's giving sinners party. And the isolation would play a critical role in this mystery. Okay. As it meant anyone present at the property was either known to the family, hiding nearby, or potentially already inside.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Yeah, this is gross. So also the whole fucking story is gross. Okay. It's gruesome. I don't go into massive detail about how gruesome it is, but it is really gruesome. Trigger warnings if you don't want to hear any of that. And also, like, it's creepy as shit. Yeah, why are you here? Let's be honest. So, living at Hinterkythek was Andreas Gruber, the 63-year-old owner of the farm, his wife Kazilia, their widowed daughter, Victoria Gabriel, and Victoria's two children, seven-year-old Kazilia, who was named the same as the mum, which gets fucking confusing, and two-year-old Joseph. Yeah. So on the afternoon of the 31st of March 1922, a new maid, Maria Baumgartner.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Such banging names.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

I know arrived to begin work that night. So it was our first night. Jesus. Within hours, all six people would be dead. Including the maid. Yeah. That's a real bad first day, innit? Indeed, it got very wrong. You reckon you could sue them for that? Oh, awkward. That's one of the worst first days of work. That is lit. No, it couldn't possibly get any worse. Oh yeah. But day one, a couple hours in, I've been murdered. Fucking horrible. Yeah, that is absolutely horrifying. So Andrea Scruber and Kazillia, the his wife, were married in November of 1849. Then in 1866, they moved into Hinter Kaifek. And it was actually part of the divorce settlement from her first marriage, Kazillia's. Okay. So she got the farm instead in Zenith. I don't know. And I didn't care to look into it. So I I don't think so. It was never I don't think it was brought up as a suspect, if I'm completely honest. Yeah, you were like, I don't fucking care. I don't fucking know and I don't fucking care. Who did it? Who cares? Is that what you're here for? No, it's not. You're here for us. Yeah, you're here for us. You're here for our dulstit tones and our dumbass banter. The smart one and the funny one. Oh my god. Which one's which? Literally. You decide. Yeah. I'm sure you have. She got it in the divorce settlement. Zelia had actually had three children in her first marriage and then went on to have two more with Andreas, including Victoria. Okay. So it was the one that was at the farm. Victoria, their daughter, was married in 1914. Okay. And when they were married, her parents actually transferred the ownership of the farm to her and her husband. But during the First World War, her husband was called up to serve and later killed in action. Oh. Yes. So the suspects are bigger than gone. Yeah, actually.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Oh, so yes, that's what widowed means.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Yes. Widowed. Yeah. Means you don't you lost your husband. Not like at the supermarket. I just feel like in my head I heard widowed, but I took in divorced. Yes. So I was gonna be like, he did it! No. And I was like, you literally said widowed.

unknown 11:25

Oh what?

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Hold on. Let's get there, shall we? Replanning to the max. So this is where it gets real fucking dicey. Oh no, sorry. Let's do this bit now. Yeah, I know. It gets dicey real quick. Should I get the note has? So he dies in the first world war or is suspected dead. Killed in action. Okay. Disappeared. M I A. Yeah. That's what I think it's called. And then but before they he had actually gone to the war, they had a daughter, which is Kazilia. Yes, their daughter. Yeah, in 1915. Now, just remember she's got two kids. Yeah. Okay, let's continue. Um the same year, Andreas, the father, and Victoria were actually convicted of entering an incestuous relationship between the years of 1907 and 1910. As far as I can tell, she was about 20 years old at this time. And actually, the year before no, so in 1919, Victoria admitted to her lover and neighbour, Lorenz Schlittenbauer.

unknown 12:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Great name. Yeah. That her newborn son, Joseph, had been conceived from her father's sexual abuse.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

You might have fun names, but you're all shit.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

But yeah, fucking. This is it. So also I was like, what I had a big problem with was the way that it was framed is so he went to prison for a year. So they were convicted in 1914 of this. No, sorry, they were convicted. The dad. Oh yeah. Sorry. 1915 when Kazilia was born. That was when Andreas and Victoria were convicted of an incestuous relationship. Both of them? Both of them. So he went to prison for a year and she went to prison for a month. But she's his daughter. I know at the time she would have been 20 years old, but has anybody been like, do you think that just started? Yeah, yeah. Do you think that just started? You think that came out of nowhere? The fact that she's had a child at the age of 20 means that and they're saying that doesn't necessarily mean that it started at the age of 20. Yeah, I think she must have been, when they were convicted, actually, she must have been like 25, but actually she between 1907 to 1910 she would have been somewhere between 18 and 20. Yeah, yeah. So I don't why are you assuming why is the assumption that she it's consensual? And then she says to the lover that he's the father, or supposedly says to this lover that he's the father, but and she says from the sexual abuse.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Good God.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yeah. So why the fuck did she go to prison?

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Literally. I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Am I only for a fucking year? Yeah, she's obviously confiding in him about something, and he's been like that's an incestuous relationship instead of child abuse. What's going on with the mother? Yeah. Because she obviously stayed with him because they weren't killed until later. And she knows that they were both convicted of an incestuous relationship.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Interesting as hell that she got married and had a kid with someone else. Before?

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Or the older one? They're saying it was between 19 they're saying the incestuous relationship was between 1907 to 1910. And obviously they were convicted in 1915. She wasn't married until 1914. So they were only married for a year. Then he died. Before they had the baby. Okay. And then he died in World War One. But So she already has a kid with the dad. No. Kids the second kid, the two-year-old at the time of the murders. Is the dads. Is the dads. Yeah, and then she gets married to someone who has another kid. So she gets no, she gets married. She gets married. She has Kazilia, the younger girl, and her husband died. Then in that same year, once she's had that baby and her husband died that same year, I'm not sure, or like just after. No, because 1915. Yeah, could have. I don't know when he died. But then she admits later, far later, that her second child.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

That's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Yeah, her second child is her dad. So long marriage. Yeah, she's got married, been widowed, and then she's had another child. Dear God. Literally, yeah, what five years later, and she said to her lover, This is my dad's.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Jesus, Jesus. Because that's bad, that's it sucks anyway for her.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah. But like the fact that also she then got married and had a child with someone else. Also, she probably felt like she was getting out of the way of it.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Yeah, getting away with it.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Getting away with it.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Getting away from it.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Yeah. And then she just ends up right back where she was because he was killed in the war. And she's back with her parents and back being sexually abused by her dad.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Also, the cheek that they're like, oh we can put the house in your name, and then he dies.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

And what she if she would have been. So if she would have been 20, let's say in 1910 she was 20, she would have been 32 when she died. Jesus. Horrible. Anyway, literally horrible. Later, Schlittenbauer rescinded his claims only to reestate them at Andreas's second trial for an incestuous relationship with his daughter. So Schlittenbauer goes to the police and tells them this. And then he Andreas is then charged a second time for this incestuous relationship. I don't think Victoria was. Okay. And he goes to trial, and then Schlittenbauer says, before he goes to trial, says, No, no, I'm rescinding it. And then when they're at trial, he says, actually, I'm changing my mind. No, that is what happened. He should go to prison. And then they I think the juries decide that he is not a credible witness, which is probably fair, with the back and forth. So he doesn't actually go to prison again. Andreas. The dad. Sure. So yeah, the court decided that not to convict him. And then Schlittenmauer later decides her lover slash neighbour decides that he's gonna adopt Josef as his son.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

So there is some like, is it his son? Yeah. Is it the dad's son?

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Yeah. And they're still all living at the house that her and her widow in their name, but they're not there.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

They're living at Hinter Hinter Kaifek. I'm guessing her parents just never fucking left. And they even though they gifted it to them as a wedding present, they stayed. And yeah, they gifted it as a wedding present, they stayed. Yeah. And then they just and then Schlittenbauer's just still their neighbour.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Yeah, and the fact that he's the lover.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

But like obviously not that close a neighbour because they live in basic basic isolation.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

And if he's adopting, why isn't he being like, come and live with me, please?

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Or maybe he was and maybe she wasn't interested. And also you don't know, like, you don't really know what the d dynamic is because you're not really hearing this from Victoria's point of view. Yeah, because everyone involved is gone. Yeah. So like you can't because he's probably the most credible witness. Yeah, and he's saying sexual abuse, but maybe she wasn't saying sexual abuse. Maybe she'd been brainwashed at this point because it'd been happening so long, but she didn't feel that way about it. But I you don't know. And it must be surely, because why would you let kids without being without that being the case, you wouldn't willingly have your kids running around unless you had been brainwashed by the situation. You've also got a seven-year-old daughter who is living in that house with this man. Yeah. I it must be that she was being manipulated brainwashed because otherwise she'd be like, get my kids out of here. Because this is You would hope so. Yeah. But then also we are talking about the fucking 20s right now, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00 19:11

So Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

So I really thought this was gonna be a cute family doing like a 1920s like jazz thing or something with like cute headbands and long cigarettes. No, it's just all incest and murder. That's all it is. That is all it is. In the days and months leading to the murders, a series of strange and disturbing events occurred. So, Andreas Gruber discovered footprints in fresh snow leading from the forest towards the farmstead, but none going back. Already a swooky dookie. The killer flew away into the night. Oh, what was in that fucking hair? What alarmed him was there was no returning footprints. So whoever had walked towards the farm appeared to have never left. Yep, and they're all dead. This is days before, but he's noticing some weird things. So that that the footprints was like maybe the day before they were murdered. Okay, so it's like someone's joined. Someone's come in, but they have not gone. Unless they've also though, you could have walked out one edge of the farm and then just fucked off the other side. So you don't know. But I mean, Bro's not sounding like the most observant man in the whole world. Also, we're not listening to that piece of shit's opinion because regardless of what happens, it's quite clear that there was enough evidence that he was having sex with his daughter. Yeah, he got convicted of it once. Literally. Yeah, fuck that man. Yeah, so there was that, and then around the same sort of time, the family were hearing footsteps in the attic during the night. So this has all come from like neighbours and stuff. He was talking to them, saying, Oh we were hearing some funky things. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, yeah, people are like, okay, what's going on? Is there someone living in the house? Some keys went missing from the house.

unknown 21:03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

And a newspaper appeared that nobody had purchased. So it was like a newspaper that was from like a Munich, so it was like not that far from Munich. And it was a newspaper that he was like, I didn't buy that, so I don't know where it's come from. And I'm assuming he's not letting his fucking wife and kids like and his daughter just go out and do whatever.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

If he's paying attention to his fucking footprints coming in and out, like you're not letting people to go off into Munich and have the best time of their life.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Feels like he wouldn't be letting people check and just go out and like dowdle. Yeah. Tools were moved, and then another thing that happened was obviously they just had a new maid come to the house, right? And that was because weeks earlier, their previous maid had actually quit because she was claiming that she believed that the house was haunted because she kept hearing unexplained noises at night. My parents have been away. For ages they've come back now, but I was like, I went round to clean the house before they came round because I was just yeah, yeah, because extra moolah and yeah, I cleaned it all for them and just made sure that it was nice because my brother came down to stay whilst they were away and stuff as well. And whilst I was there, I kept hearing something, and I was like, Oh my god, and I was freaking myself out so much. And usually I bring Willow with me, and she'd be like quite alert and stuff, but it was literally just me in this house, and all of a sudden I was like feeling like this is actually quite terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

So I like finished up and was going to leave, and then I I couldn't tell if it was next because they've got this like a semi-detached house, so I was like, or maybe it's next door, and then there's no cars on next door's drive, and then it was sounding like it was above me, and I was really freaking myself out.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Oh my god. I was like, I have to get out of here. So I got out and I like drove home, and just before I drove home, I text my dad saying I've left, but there's those really weird noises that freak me out. I don't want to freak you out, but I tell the neighbours to keep an eye out or whatever, and he said, Oh, don't worry, it's just the squirrel in the loft. And I was like, What? There's a fucking squirrel in your loft. Yeah, he was like, he just hangs out there all the time. Like when my parents' dog is at home, he goes up into the loft and like scares them away. But when my parents go away, he like the run of the roofs. Yeah, and like sometimes Earl will go up there and spend ages up there. One time he came down with the squirrel in his mouth, and my mum was like screaming her head off. So then they were like trying to trap them and put them in the garden so that they were like getting away from the roof or whatever. And dad was like, I just don't know if there's just like one left, or they just somehow keep getting or those holes. Yeah, he was just like, just every single time we just can't seem to get this last little one. And I was like, Thank fuck. Because I genuinely thought there was an intruder, and I just left. Yeah, I that's exactly what I I'm not becoming a fucking horror film. Yeah, I'm not doing it. If there's noises, once I was at work, I was me and this girl were the only two people left in the building really late, and that building is 100% haunted. We were there really late, and like we knew we were the only two in, and we were like, it's fine, blah blah blah, and we were trying to like work on this thing. And then all of a sudden, we just heard what sounded like chairs moving on this level that's like just above us. And both of us just looked at each other and we were like, don't care. And then we were like, the out the door, yeah, put the alarm on. If there's somebody in there, I'm not doing anything about it. They'll set off the alarms and then someone will come out and then the police will come. But I was like, I'm not doing that. I texted dad, like, I don't know if you want to get the neighbours around or the police around or what, but I was microwaving like a wheat bag for my neck. Old lady. And I was microwaving this wheat bag, and I thought that when something's in the microwave and it like jumps the plate. Yes. And I was like, what? So I like stopped it, and as I stopped the microwave, because I was like, maybe it's too hot, it did it again when the microwave was stopped, and I was like, oh my god. No, yeah, I'd be like, I'm out of there. Yeah, and I like persevered for like maybe 15 more minutes, and then I heard three more noises, and I was like, that's the end of it.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

You know what? If someone's utilising this space while they're away, I'm not getting involved.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

That's your god-given right. And who am I to disturb it? Yeah, you keep the upstairs, it's all yours. I'm out of here. Take my parents if you have to. It's not gonna be me. And then just the way that my dad finally replied, Oh, don't worry, mate, that's just a squirrel. And I always read squirrel in his accent because he always goes, Where's that squirrel? to my dog. So I just read it like, Ah, that's just a squirrel in the attic. I was like, okay. Fair enough. Sorry, yes, but maybe maybe it was a squirrel, but I guess not because they were all murdered. Yeah, I would too quit if I thought that there was someone in the house. I think that is like such a big fear of mine. What did we say it was from the Dolly old sine episode? Frogging. Frogging, honestly. I swear that to be fair, like when we lived at the house that me and you shared a room, there that house, I was so convinced that there was someone living in the attic. No, it wasn't. It wasn't, it was the old house. It was the old house. That was the one I was convinced because like basically this person lived in there before us, and then he for some he was had this whole three-bedroom house to himself. There was nobody else in there, and his bed was like downstairs in the living room, and apparently he wouldn't leave after he got his like eviction notice and stuff. They couldn't get him out, and then one day they just came to the house and like he he was gone, but like most of his stuff was still there. Oh my god, no, yeah, no, yeah. And I was like convinced he was up in the attic, and I'd hear I would hear noises all the time, and I'd just be like, I every now and then I'd be home alone and I'd be like, listen, you don't bother me, and I won't bother you. I won't come look. If he did live in the walls, he must have seen some shit. Seen some absolute shit in that house. But another side story, when I grew up, obviously I grew up in a bed and breakfast, and so I got really used to because flat was downstairs, so I got used to people just walking around all night all the time. Like it always sounded like people were above us because we had like rows, yeah, like rows of rooms above us. But this one guy he stayed and we barely saw him, and then he left, and we went, we were going through his stuff, and there was a towel that was covered in blood. Like, I picked up the bath towel and the hand towel fell out, and the hand towel was like soaked in blood. So we were all screaming, like me and my friends who were like sixteen were getting paid to clean the rooms for my parents, were just like screaming, running about on the land. And then in the chaos, we didn't notice that his bag was still in the wardrobe.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

So my parents, we had a kitchen that you'd go into with like an out like an open alcove where we'd pass the breakfast through or whatever in the morning. And we put the he we didn't know he'd left, like he hadn't given us the key or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

I don't think I can't really remember about the key, what had happened, but we'd all gone out for dinner, and my dad had put the bag in the kitchen and locked the kitchen door, and when we came back, it was gone. Oh my god, oh no, so we also crawled through the alcove, like actually just fucking so terrified. And like literally for months and months after that, we'd all just be like creeping around the house. No, I'd be so convinced. Yeah, it's like there's a also I really can't remember what happened with the key because I don't think we had the locks change or anything, so maybe he'd just got another guest, he'd waited till the guest had gone in and said, Oh, can I just pop come in through the door with you or something like that? Like, or just follow the. Because I think we had the keys, but no one had the keys to the kitchen anyway, so that was the mystery. Yeah. And we already were sussed out about him because he'd gone and left his bag and like the whole thing was just really scary. I think that was where my patience was running thin. I was like, I don't like living with strangers anymore. Yeah, there's like a there's like an episode of Broadchurch, not broadchurch, Whitechapel. Yeah. That there's like that, there's this like an episode where it's like someone keeps killing people, and you're like, what's going on? And he's like getting into locked houses, and you're like, How is it? And then it turns out he's just like in the fucking walls, and you're like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

I know, I just can't, I can't.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Yeah, but anyway, gross.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Yes, so loads of spooky-dooky things are happening, and then yeah, he finds the newspaper and he know knows he hasn't purchased it. Maids quit. Yeah, the maid has quit because she thinks the house is haunted, and there's the footprints in the snow, things going missing. Very strange, and he's telling people about this. And so obviously his neighbours are like, That's not that's not like normal. You tell the police or something about that. That's like a lot of very weird things. Yeah, and the noises are one thing, like maybe it is an animal, but like stuff going missing and stuff appearing that you don't know where it's come from, yeah, and footprints in the snow that are not leaving your house, that's all very dodgy. Yeah, all of it tied in together, yeah, is absolutely terrible. Yeah, like the your conclusion should be that somebody is maybe fucking frogging in your house. Even if you don't know what frogging is at the time. Yeah. Yeah. On the afternoon of the 31st of March 1922, Maria Bombgardner arrives, and her sister actually accompanies her to the house when she's dropping off her sister for her maid job, and then leaves shortly afterwards, and that is the last confirmed sighting of the family alive. Jesus. So sometime after dark, the killer begins to act. Investigators later believe that the murderer actually lures members of the household one by one into the barn. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It is it's fucking horrible. So they're all dead in the barn, but it looks like they've all been killed one at a time. Yeah, it yeah. They're piled up in the barn.

unknown 30:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

They believe that Andreas is likely first. So he is struck in the head with a mattock, which is a gardening tool that basically looks like a pickaxe. Yes. I'll put a picture of it on the Instagram. They're very practical. And they obviously get the job done. So when he doesn't return, they believe what happens is Andreas like Gruber, sorry, goes out to the barn maybe for a commotion or something, and he goes to investigate what it is. He's killed first, and then one by one, when he doesn't return, people go looking for the next person that's not.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Oh my god, these idiots.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Like what I still think the scene. After the first person didn't come back, right? After a noise in the barn, I would have been like, we're going together. But also, actually, to be fair, yeah, the mum and this the daughter. Why didn't you go together?

SPEAKER_00 31:30

I know.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Or maybe they did. Maybe they did. Iconic episode of Gavin and Stacey, where they all go into the toilet and find out that Nessa's Smith is the father.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

I literally was like, I don't understand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Because one of them go at a time and they all just keep staying in there until there's no one left at the dinner table. And every time I just think I would be up.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

What is going on?

SPEAKER_01 31:49

I would have been after the first person didn't come back, I would have been up in there and I would have been with people.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Yeah, I'd have been like, someone's crying.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Yeah. I need to go and find out. Something's going on. Yeah. But it's such an iconic episode, and it's so iconic because there's obviously other things going on as well, so they need to go out and get Pete and Dawn or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

I'm obsessed with the show, but it's just one at a time. And I think at what point are people gonna be like, everybody's left and it's just me? How are they not hearing any I don't know?

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Yeah, I l I couldn't tell you. Oh Dad's just gone to the bar and he's not coming back. I'm going to check on him. And then neither of them come back. I'd be like, goodbye.

unknown 32:21

Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 32:23

After yeah, if mum and dad go out to the bar and don't come back, I'd be like, that's bad sign.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

I know, and at what point are they gonna be like, should we stop doing this one at a time?

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Yeah. After so they believe dad went first, Kazillia, the wife, goes next, then Victoria, the daughter, goes, and then the kids go back. And then the child, Kazalea, goes next, looking for everybody. And the maids just cleaning around upstairs. So, not everybody was in the barn. I assume if they're going to kill the family, they don't necessarily know that the maid's there. So that might have been an afternoon. Actually, that is a very good point because like even if you've been watching the house, maybe if you knew them, you'd knew that a new maid was arriving today. Yeah. But if you'd have just done what they needed to do for them to go in the house and been like, fuck me, there's a maid. There's a maid as well. So yeah, they that's the order that they go, and then c young Casillia is later. Yeah, so dad first, then the wife, then the daughter, and then the daughter's daughter.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Looking for all the adults, I'm assuming. Yeah. Like, where are they? Goes into the barn. They're all attacked. All four victims were killed in the barn, and their bodies stacked together and covered with hay. Jesus. Yeah, I what like it's a fucking four bodies and you put hay over it. What do you think that was gonna do? Yeah, literally. Just oh, they'll never notice. Also, worse thing for the littlest kid to be the last one to go in. The horrifying kid. The little yeah, the that's the seven-year-old. So we haven't even got to the maid and the two-year-old yet.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

But to be a child and to go in last.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Yeah, it's worse. It's even worse because she goes in last, and it's actually determined later that she did not die immediately. Oh my god. She actually survived for several hours among the bodies, and upon autopsy, it was discovered that she'd actually lay there pulling out tufts of her own hair.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Dear lord.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Yeah. That's bad.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yeah, that's bad.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

That's fucking horrible. Brutal. How have you managed to kill three fully grown adults quite quickly? But a seven-year-old girl, you don't you inflict enough on her for her to lay there for hours and die. Do you think they were just trying to kill the dad and then everyone just kept walking, kept coming in? Fucking. Fuck it out, the next one's caught me. And the next one. And then just soon with that. Maybe oh my god, another one of you. And then by the time you get to the kids, you're like, oh jeez, wow. No. Actually, can't possibly be. Because then goes into the house. Then he goes into the house. Yeah. What followed makes it even more disturbing because the Oh no, sorry, I've gone a little bit too far ahead. So after the bar murders, the killer enters the house through the connecting doorway. So the barn is actually connected to the farmhouse.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

How are you not hearing this?

SPEAKER_01 35:19

I don't know. I literally have no idea. How do you hear the commotion, but not the murders?

SPEAKER_00 35:25

How are you guys noticing that the fucking newspaper's the wrong newspaper in this?

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Part of me just feels like they were just lined up outside the door. Yeah. It's just I don't know. The maid had some absolute bangers on while she was screaming. So she, so Maria Bontgardner is actually asleep in her bed. She is not awake. She does not know what's going on. She doesn't know that they're going to check the barn. She's fast asleep. And she's actually killed in her bed with the mattock. And then the killer goes into the nursery. Oh my god. And kills two-year-old Joseph. Like why? In his crib. Why? It's not about cleaning up witnesses, which means that is that's a family annihilator. Like that is somebody who's trying to wipe this family out. It's getting rid of literally everyone. Because to be honest, the maid wouldn't have been any helping.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

No because she's asleep. There's a fucking two-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

She's also just got there, she doesn't really know them, which means like she's probably not identifying you as a killer. Like I can understand someone that has coherent thoughts at that age might be able to give some sort of evidence about something. But a two-year-old. Two-year-old just left them. But they're both asleep. They're asleep in their beds. Like you could have left them, but you chose not to.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah, and you knew they were there.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Yeah. You knew them because you wouldn't. You'd obviously knew they were there because you've obviously been fucking living in the house.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Exactly, and obviously you're not walking in.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

My theory about them just walking in and seeing the maid just literally picturing her with a feather duster, just like dusting away with their headphones on in the twenties. In the 20s with their wireless bits. Yeah, she's got fucking JBLs on. Yeah. She's just listening to fucking the trichle quests. Absolutely going in hard. But I just don't I that's you knowing that they're there and knowing where they are and going after them because you know that they're a sleep and you know that they can be deliberate. Deliberate people so deliberate. Like you you were planning on wiping out this whole family. Yeah. And what did that fucking maid do? She only just got there. I know did she. Yes. What follows after this is really like even more disturbing. Because the killer does not leave. So evidence actually shows that someone remains in the house for up to four days.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

I thought we were gonna say four hours, and I was already shook to my core.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

The animals are fed, food was eaten, smoke rose from the chimney, bread was cut, water was drawn, neighbours later reported seeing signs of activity on the property. Oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

And you didn't even move the people in the house to the barn either. They just left everyone there.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Yeah, they're just there. What the hell? So the the two are in their beds and the four are in the barn. Yeah. They aren't actually discovered until five days later. So their bodies are all discovered on the 4th of April 1922. How? They are actually discovered by Schlittenmaur. The lover. The neighbour slash lover. And interesting that the killer knew to leave.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

But just we'll get to it. We'll get to we'll get to it.

unknown 38:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Because what he's hanging around for four days and he thinks, oh, on the fifth day someone, the lover might come and check, so I'm gonna did it.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

So now I'll go. Convenient. Awfully convenient. Convenient glitzen black and bauer. Concern actually grew when the family hadn't attended church and Kazillia hadn't gone to school. So that was when they decided to go and look. Schlittenbauer decided to go and look. Yes. So that's when they get there and they discover the four bodies in the barn, and then they discover the maid and the toddler in their beds. So, just a quick timeline of events. Late March 1922 is when the footprints are discovered, and the strange noises. Keys missing. Previous maids quit. 31st of March afternoon, Maria arrives. 31st of March night, four members are lord into the bar, murdered. Shortly afterwards, maid and toddler killed inside the house.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Yep, and there's four days of random activity.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

First to the fourth, killer remains at the farm, feeds the animals, eats food. And then fourth, neighbour discovers bodies. Yep.

unknown 39:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

That ex-maid, I bet she is like fucking hell. I was right, it was fucking haunted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

I bet she is literally Imagine if I'd stayed for one more shift. Oh yeah. I don't want to sound exactly like who is it? I think it's Christina from And That's Why We Drink. And she constantly talks about the Gift of Fear, that book by Gavin De Becker. But it's so true. Yeah. Like it's listen to it.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Tap out, Queens.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Yeah. If your body is telling you, get out of here, just get out of there. What happens if that's happening in my jaw? I don't know about that. So the farmhouse and the barn are obviously directly connected, which means that the killer could have moved between the two of them without actually going outside, so no one would have needed to see them. The in the structure of the house includes a main house attached is a barn, stable area, and then attic above and a small yard. The investigators believed that the killer hid in either the attic or the barn. From there, that's where they lord the victims and then entered the house.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

To this day, this case remains unsolved.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

I was gonna ask earlier, and I thought, you know what? Just leave it as a surprise. I wish I had asked.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

It's unsolved. I'm so sorry. It's so fucked. But obviously, we can draw our own conclusions, and I'm sure we fucking will. Yeah, Schlittenbauer did it. Schlittenbauer. So, in the aftermath of the murders, a number of serious mistakes were made that likely prevented the crime from being solved. Yeah. These errors occurred both before and during the official investigation. Many investigators later admitted the crucial evidence was lost. One of the biggest mistakes that occurred immediately was before police arrived. Neighbours and villagers entered the farmhouse and barn. They walked through bloodstained areas, touched furniture, moved the bodies, picked up objects, ate food from the kitchen! Handled the murder weapon. Handled the murder weapon! Just you couldn't get any more stupid if you tried. Was there not one person? Said maybe we shouldn't do that. Said maybe stop eating. Maybe don't touch that. How did they know that people were still eating, cutting the bread? I think someone would probably have to be like, oh sorry.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

That was like, you know how they were saying there's activity. Yeah. The animals have been fed. You don't know, maybe they're just the fucking neighbourhood watching the body.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Well, to be fair, I think that they were saying like the neighbours saw that there was like smoke coming from the chimney and that the animals were in good condition. Because like after four days, they would have been a little bit, their water had been replenished, they'd been feathered.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

It's like literally.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I don't know how you know that someone's been eaten if someone don't fucking touch anything at a crime scene.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

I don't have to tell you guys this in the 20s. Like just I know DNA wasn't my as it is now, but like just leave alone.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

Like, why do people I just don't understand walking through the blood. Crime scene. I'm a bit pecking. Why are you like, oh, let's just move 'em. After four days of the. They're dead. Like what's the point? You're not doing it to- I understand if you went for the first maybe they were looking for signs of life. Yeah. But also than there's a dead child for four days. You're gonna know that child is dead.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

Yeah. And don't touch that child. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Just don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

And then they're like, oh a light snack.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Anyone fancying a light snack? Because I've got blood on my shoes and flesh on my shoes.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

I don't how could you eat? How could you fucking eat? Everyone's just having a lock-in because they're like, they're dead. Might as well finish off this snack. Someone's got to see it off, haven't they? So they destroyed fingerprints. They'll be the first people to be fuming that this case is unsolved. Yeah, and it's your fault. They'll be like, you haven't solved a case in our neighbourhood. So they it destroyed fingerprints, footprints, blood pattern evidence, and basically by the time the police actually secured the property, the regional crime scene was just like nowhere to be seen. Oh god. So yeah, the bodies in the barn were repeatedly disturbed and partially repositioned before they even had forensic examination. So they didn't know the exact order of the attacks, positions of the victim, direction of blows, and then the movements of the killer afterwards. So obviously reconstructing it was basically just not gonna happen. Another unusual decision was made to conduct the autopsies in the barn, but then the skulls of the victims were sent to Munich for further examination. And the skulls were lost during the Second World War. Of course they were. So there's no way to even Because the skulls wouldn't be important in any way. To be fair, there was a world war. Fuck that! But like Yeah, so there was just there's no way now to solve it because there's nothing left. If you just came to me and said the skulls got missing because of the went missing because of the world war, I'd be like, furs. The fact that all the rest of it was so fucked anyway. You can't blame the world war on the fact that people were going around to a crime scene having lunch. It was actually the world war, that's why they decided to have a sandwich ration as well. I swear the second world war hadn't even kicked off at this point because isn't it like 1939 or some shit? And this happened in 22. People are just people are scarred in a usual way. People aren't with it. They had lived through the first world war, so maybe they were just a different breed. Yeah. Maybe they were just like Skulls? Not another skull. Another bloody skull. Someone fetch me a sandwich. So that she just makes me so mad. Also, obviously, that they didn't use any for some reason they had access to some more modern, like forensic methods. But they're using the word war as an excuse for losing evidence, but they've got top-notch fucking DNA. They know about some things, like the journey is like advanced. Some good practice when it comes to a crime scene, but they just didn't do any of it. So they didn't, they did no trace evidence collection. Do you think it was a trial? We've got this really good DNA evidence. So if you just fuck up the crime scene, fuck it up and see what happens. As much as you can, and let's see if we can get a trace of anything. They basically just got there and were like, there's just no point. So they just didn't do anything. For God's sake, though. Like everyone saw it out. And then obviously the suspected murder weapon was found at the property, but it was handled by multiple people. It was not properly preserved. No fingerprints were attempted. I just don't like I just don't, I can't. And then yeah, even after the police arrived, the farm was not fully locked down. Curious locals continued to visit. And officers allowed unnecessary movement across the So the contamination continued for a really long time. So they got there and they were like, oh, it's already too far gone. Yeah. Should we go? Yeah, yeah. Should you give it up? But you know what? You've already the damage is done. We did what we could. Like I just even being like, you guys are the worst, but give me all of your fingerprints, and if there's one other fingerprint left in this murder weapon, it might be the killer. Yeah, but it also might be one of you. You might have just got here and fucking started rattling around. Maybe the ringleader of all of that. Wow. Yeah, was the person because if it's neighbours, guys, come round and touch everything.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Guys, they're dead.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

Let's swim around and let's move them about. Make sure you touch that mattock. Oh, mattocks. Someone else grabbed this for me. Hold my mattock real quick. That would be such a good way to be like, yeah, of course my DNA's on it. We were all touching everything. We were all eating. Here's my fingerprints. Exclude me. Yeah, exactly. I was one of the people that fucked up the crime scene, so it couldn't possibly be me. Yes. But it's just that anyone else that wasn't the killer just thought that was a good idea. They were all like, they were all on board. They were like, yeah, that's fine. We could just go and mess up this crime scene, couldn't we? War is crazy. So let's talk about suspects. Lorenz Schlittenbauer, as you can imagine, a neighbour and former lover of Victoria, becomes the main suspect, the only one left alive. So he helped discover the bodies and behaved in ways some considered suspicious. He knew the layout of the farm and may have believed he was the father of Joseph. Or the dad, I'm not sure. However, no evidence linked him to the crime. I would just like to say, if he had lived in the farm for four days, and then on it feels so convenient that someone had lived there for four days and it's on the fifth day that they're discovered. Yeah. If he had just then walked away from the farm and said, I'm gonna be like, guys, has anyone seen them?

SPEAKER_00 48:43

Has anyone seen them? Someone else might have found them, but he wouldn't have been like the top priority. It's like conveniently the fact that it's yeah, we've been seeing someone live in it for four days. Oh, they died four days ago, but on the fifth day, the killer seemed to think, I think today's the day that someone might notice. Yeah. I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

I'm not well aversed in neighbours and lovers as well, but I do feel that four days?

unknown 49:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

That you haven't seen her or her children for four days? Also, unless it's a bank holiday weekend, yeah. The kid has not has missed two days of school at that point. Yeah. Like at least. Yeah. What if it's midweek?

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Exactly. If it's midweek, that is like literally and the fact that he's I want to adopt them. Yeah. Marry me. Be with me. Let me adopt the kids.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

And then four days, just like it is a bit sus.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, and conveniently on the fifth.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

He did win quite a few slander lawsuits as well, like after. Yeah, to be sure. Uh but he's dead now, so it's fine. I'm sure his family's not above it. Also, we're saying alleged, we don't know if he did it.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Yeah, it just feels it's sus. Yeah, it feels very suspicious.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Another theory involves Carl Gabriel, which is Victoria's ex-husband. Supposedly dead. Supposedly died in World War One. Some believed that he hadn't actually died and he'd secretly returned to murder them.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Yeah, to murder his kids. But there was no proof, obviously. But not the lover?

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Yeah. But also And also, if it's one at a time and the dad went first, not just the dad. Yeah. Like, why would you And then the maid that you didn't know? Yeah, and then the baby that's asleep in the crib. Yeah. What's the point?

SPEAKER_00 50:25

I know that it feels like a bit of a- But then what's the point for anyone? Like, why would you I couldn't comprehend doing this no matter what my argument would be.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Yeah, and there was obviously no proof for this. It was just a theory. Oh, someone's fine. That's good, isn't it? The man in the attic. The man that lives downstairs in my house. So, more than a century after the murders, investigators and historians generally cover one most likely scenario, which is the killer was someone familiar with the farm who had been hiding on the property before the murders, then killed the family one by one, and then just stayed there.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

But how would he know to just go?

SPEAKER_01 51:03

And they also believe that the killer arrives days earlier, which explains the footsteps leading to the farm. I guess if you have got a fat house, like in the middle of nowhere, you can just about get away with being someone that lives like not realising that someone else is there. Yeah. I also think with the horses, do you know? But like you you probably, like, I don't know, in the 20s, the concept of somebody just like living in your house and you're not knowing about it, like now it's like a fear for people because we've seen videos and there's films about it and stuff, but like back then.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Yeah, like you haven't got sensors of CCTV. Yeah, I don't know, you wouldn't maybe you just wouldn't want to jump to that conclusion too quickly that someone's also the fact that your old house in the co like your old cottage and barn is probably just creaky AF, you know? And you always hear things about the stable boy just being their chainsaw.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Also, I don't know, I must have got rid of it, but I swear also there was something about oh, I somehow missed it entirely. The family dog had been tied up but not killed.

unknown 52:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

This suggested that the killer was known to the animal, potentially, and like they didn't do anything to like try and establish like when the dog was tied there, and they tried to do no behavioural investigation with the dog of like why wouldn't the dog be like just happily just like freaking out, and it's that feels like the dog probably knew us.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

So obviously, like this Willow just wouldn't fucking yeah, she wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

So modern researchers basically suspect that Schlittenbauer fits this whole scenario because he knew Victoria, he was possibly the father of Joseph, he knew the farm layout, he lived nearby. He just found out about the potential, not just, but he found out about the potential incident and maybe if he thought that he was Josef's father and then had this conversation and had attempted to get him arrested, but then why the rest of the family and why the kid as well? No, it's like it would be like I'm trying to do it to get rid of him, and maybe the wife has to go as well, but the rest could run away unless she caught him in the act doing it, and then he was like, Now all of you have to go. Yeah, and like maybe it was like the maybe the order wasn't necessarily wrong and right, sorry, and then maybe it was like Andreas first, and he was like, That's my target, and then maybe Victoria comes in when he's killing her father, and he's I'm gonna kill her then, and then he's now I just have to wipe out the rest of the family because the mother would probably suspect me as the person, and it's not fair to leave the kids without their mum. I'm not saying it's the right mindset and no idea why it would kill the maid, but maybe they he was just like fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

But it's yeah, and even then you would still leave your two-year-old the two-year-old because you'd just be like, That's a two-year-old. It's a two-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

And if that's the one that's suspected to be And then live in the house for four days, like in amongst what you've just done? Yeah. Is that not absolutely fucked? Really weird times. Yeah, I don't know. Just so weird. But yeah, so he is still considered the lead suspect, but like it was the case was closed a long time ago. And they just decided that they were never gonna solve it, and that was the end of it. He was Schlittenbauer, was actually seen visiting the remains of the farmstead in 1925, so three years after the murders, where he made and they had they tore the farmstead down as well. That was another thing that like left no real evidence for people to go back to, is it was demolished, and no one could go back and figure out what maybe happened. Yeah. And it would have gotten rid of any other evidence that might have still been there. He was seen visiting the remains of the farmstead, and when he was there, he made a comment that the killer couldn't bury the bodies due to frozen ground, which many people found quite odd and incriminating.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

Just don't say that.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Yeah. Anyway, he's dead, and there was no definitive proof of anything, and he was never charged, so yeah, innocent until proven guilty. It does mo the most likely points towards him, but it just seems like a weird doesn't really there's no sense of what the actual motive is.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Yeah. Because you wouldn't kill them all unless you were just like, oh, this family.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

Yeah, I'm just done with them. Because the only thing that really makes me sus is the fact that the killer was there for four days and on the fifth day he conveniently left at the same time that he was. That's weird. That's too like how did you know to stay for four days and then you wouldn't be caught? And like, who who instigated the where the fuck are they?

SPEAKER_00 55:39

Yeah, exactly. Like the fact that he's oh, I went over there to check on them and then everyone's a killer just left, so how did you know to do that? But and to be honest, if he was the one that was like, neighbours, friends, come round and stamp all over this. That is fucking weird.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Yeah, like you would be like, get the police in here right now and find out who's killed my lover and what's right. But also, he obviously did a very good job of it because there was no evidence to ever even if they suspected him quite heavily and he was obviously seen as the main suspect for a moment, like he was not. Yeah, never. So there are actually loads of other theories about who did this. There's count the wiki page is fucking huge about loads of different names of people, and basically, everyone from like the old maid to family members to neighbors all pick a different person for who they think did it.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Because if you when something's unsolved but it's so out there, and there's so many victims, it's not even just like one unsolved murder, it's that's six people in one go or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

How do you kill six people and get away with it?

SPEAKER_00 56:44

I know, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Basically, nobody knows, will probably never be solved because there's just no way of being like certain about who did it. The only thing that is agreed upon is that it was planned, personal, and committed by someone who was already inside the farm. Yeah, who was already there and who already knew the layout, yeah, the vibe, knew how to get each person individually to come into the barn. Yeah. What the fuck? What martial fuck is going on here? Anyway, why in the PDP is going on? Why in the PDP? That those are the hint of Kaifek murders. Wild. A nice little unsolved for you. I was looking up some of the strange cases, and this is quite a well-known strange case. Like I've never been live, never. Like a lot of people have covered it, but I there were some really cool, like, weird ones that I found, but then I was like, I actually think because we did I know this is still heavy, because we did stuff that was heavy on info the last couple weeks. I was like, I'll just do something that's what fairly weird, but it's not too hard to digest. As well. Yeah, yeah. We thought we'd give you some easy weeks because we did two big two-parters. Yeah. Yeah, so that is the hint of Kaifek murders. Very fascinating. Yeah. I'm pissed off. Yeah, sorry about that. I almost quit. Is yours unsolved? Yeah. Oh fuck. Oh no, so sorry, guys. We might solve it. Chomping at the bin. Well, I I don't know. If you want to go and read the wiki, because there are loads of different, and it's just some of it's like people who worked on the farm, who knew the layout, and people like to boast about these cases as well. I'm pretty certain that her ex-husband who died in World War One didn't do it. Yeah. That's the only thing I can say. I feel like you'd need you need something a little bit more conclusive than just like Oh, what if he was like, if we didn't find a body, people are always gonna be like, oh my god, ma'es, but it's also just I don't know if they didn't find a body. It just wasn't clear whether they did. Yeah. Also, there was It's very likely that they wouldn't have in the war because that was happening left and centre.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

But there was I just feel like you haven't sold me on the not you, yeah, like no one sold me on the war.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

So there was like some reasoning behind it, which was like basically there were prisoners of war that said that there was a Bavarian soldier who looked after their who like lauded over their war camp and who they felt that had had oh no, he'd mentioned the hint Kaifek murders and said that he'd committed them. But I was like, that's just awfully convenient. And it's also a really good story, and then people just ran to the conclusion that it was him. The long that actually he hadn't been killed in the war, he'd actually got out. He'd actually become like a bigger part of the war and now was lording over at death camps and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

Which is how I guess you could go in and but then why are you just chilling there for the next few days?

SPEAKER_01 59:44

God, it's actually just like wild, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 59:46

That no one would know.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

Yeah. Anyway, that's us. We've got another one to do, so uh we shall see you in a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 59:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

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SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Yes, and we'll see you next week. Okay, bye.