The Disappearance of Amy Bradley Part Two

This week, we return to the chilling mystery of The Disappearance of Amy Bradley for Part Two.

After Amy vanished from the Rhapsody of the Seas, the investigation only grew stranger. As the ship docked, questions surrounding the cruise line’s response, missed opportunities, and possible sightings began to surface.

We’ll dive into the theories that have haunted this case for decades from claims that Amy may have fallen overboard, to disturbing reports suggesting something far more sinister may have happened after she disappeared.

Along the way, we’ll examine alleged eyewitness encounters, unanswered questions from the FBI investigation, and the haunting pieces of evidence that continue to keep this case alive nearly thirty years later.

So grab a drink, settle in… because the deeper this story goes, the more unsettling it becomes.

Transcript

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Okay, so welcome to Kill the Mood Podcast. We're here to talk to you about everything spooky dooky. We are not professionals, and we mean no offense in anything we say. This is just us trying to make sense of the senseless. Without further ado, this week's case is... The Disappearance of Amy Bradley.

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Part two. Part two.

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Yeah, we're back. We're back for part two. If you haven't listened. Then you're in the wrong place. Yeah, you're gonna be very confused. So I would just go back and start that shit again. So- During this guy coming forward and saying that, "I've seen Amy dancing with this guy called Yellow yesterday," there's another passenger that came forward with information too, and her name was Lori Thompson. She was 18 at the time, and she'd met Amy on the dance floor the night before. They chatted a bit, and they gelled quite well because they were both young- and there's not really that many- Yeah young people on a cruise. Lori and her friend said that Lori had vibed with her really well, and then after the party, Lori and her friend had gone to the top deck to hang out till around 5:00, 6:00 AM. I don't know how everyone's doing this. What? Everyone's got some fucking staying power in this story. I know. No one slept. I don't know what was going on. Maybe it was a full moon. I don't know. There's definitely drugs on this boat. I know. There- Has to be. No one stays up till 5:00 AM for that reason. Maybe we should go on a cruise. Maybe we would love a cruise. Where was this on my cruise? Yeah. Yeah, so they were hanging out till 5:00, 6:00 AM as well. Lori actually said that whilst they were up there at about 5:00 AM, right? It's getting dicey here. She said that she saw Amy get into the glass elevator that was, like, going from a lower deck to a higher deck- Okay with this guy- Yellow nicknamed Yellow, who she had also known because he'd been trying it on with them as well after he'd finished- Especially if there's not many young girls on the boat. Exactly. He'd finished the band. They'd all gone to the disco. He was like, "Oh, I can have some fun now." So he'd been chatting them up as well at some point in the night, so she knew exactly who he was and that it was the bass player, and she says it was 100 million percent Amy and the bass player in the glass elevator together. And they went all the way to the top and then got off the elevator, right? About 15 minutes later, Lori said she saw Yellow doing a brisk walk, and he walked right past them on the deck that they were on. And the only reason why she thought it was really weird was because he didn't even look at them or talk to them, whereas he'd been chatting them all night. All night. So they were like, "That's really random," because that was the guy- Guilty. Yeah. I'm so easily swayed. Yeah, it's fucking sus as hell. That is sus. Some guy that's clearly, What was I about to say? I don't know. I was gonna be like, "Hey, girl." Some guy that's been, like- Some fucking smooth talker yeah, rizzing it up all night with the girls. Trying to fucking chat up all the girls. Yeah, and then all of a sudden he's looking shifty as hell. He walks past them in a brisk manner. And he doesn't even acknowledge them. And then- That's where you needed a fucking risky shit. Yeah, literally, or he'd walked her back to the cabin and she was just like slinging her at night. However, Lori is absolutely convinced that all of this happened between 5:00 and 6:00 AM- which would make him suspect number one. However, no one can confirm this because- for some reason there's no cameras of any of this shit. I don't know where the fucking cameras are. Sorry, on your upper deck- is that not qualified as ballroom? What the fuck do you mean? I do not know. Is that like a public space? No. That's not a corridor. The only good thing- What about the elevator? The only good thing that's come from this is I actually think cruises upped their security measures massively after this. I would fucking hope so. Yeah. Also, they are on international seas, so they can't actually detain anyone. They can only interview people and try and get what they can get. They- Do you not think this world is just a fucking absolute joke? What do you mean? It's loophole central out here. "I'm at sea, actually, so the laws do not appl- you can't arrest me here." 'Cause he's saying, "I'm from the Caribbean, and this is a US cruise ship tour." "Whose authority are you gonna arrest me on?" Literally. "I'm gonna stay on this boat so you can't get me." Yeah. "Who's arresting me? Trident?" Oh, fucking... Neptune. That's it. Trident. Trident. He holds a trident. Captain Neptune. Neptune. So they interview him and they polygraph him. And obviously we all know how polygraphs- I've got visions of Sebastian doing an arrest on her. Yeah, he admits knowing her, flirting with her. He also said that he does this on the regular. He flirts with girls all the time at parties. No. And he's "I always try it on. I always walk them back to their rooms. If it works." And he- Yeah, gross. Oh. He denies knowing anything about her disappearance at all. Polygraph was inconclusive, obviously. Pieces of shit. Fucking sick of this. Not a real science, is it? Polygraph being just like, "Oh, you're panicking, are you?" "You're a liar." And then it's "Oh, it's inconclusive," means you didn't do it. Yeah. Not sure then. What does that mean? Think he could be a good guy. Literally. But we will come back a bit more to Lori's... Basically, there's an issue with this because if Lori thinks that she saw Amy wandering around between 5:00 and 6:00 AM, she would've had to have literally- Ran out of the room right after her dad- Left her house at 5:00, left her room at 5:30, and then he walked her back to her cabin, but she never went back inside. It's really weird. The whole thing's like- The timing's bit off. Yeah. And there's something else. Let me just try and remember what it actually is. Maybe I'll come to it in a bit. But there's something else that just doesn't quite line up. So maybe he'd gone and collected her from her cabin, and then they'd gone up in the lift together, and then maybe he'd pushed her over the edge. I don't know. And then he'd walk, shiftily walked back by himself, all within 20 minutes before her dad was like- woke up and was like, "Where the fuck is she?" And then where is she again? And how did he get her to come out of her cabin and go somewhere with him- Without texting anyone without hi- anyone waking up? Yeah. With... she doesn't have a phone- Knocking on the door or anything. It's so fucking- Yeah unfathomable what's gone on, unless- Unless it was prearranged they had a plan. Yeah. And that's why she was staying up the whole night. But something else we'll come to in a minute as well. There's so many little twists and turns to this one. Okay, so the cruise... Let's just crack on with where I'm at. But the cruise was literally ending. The cruise is coming to an end. What the fuck? Apparently, in... When they were in St. Thomas, the day before or whatever, the family actually flew home. They sacked off the cruise. Yeah, fair enough. They were like- As you would. You're not having a good time, are you? Yeah. They were like, "We can't- And there's fuck all on this boat that's doing you any good, and she's clearly not on it. Yeah. So there's just no point. So they were like, "We need to go home." "I don't know what we can do. We need to go home. We need to be at home. We need to be alert. We need to know what's going on." "These people on the cruise ship are not helping us." The the policing is so random because we're on a different fucking island every single time you wake up. Yeah. So you don't know. Yeah. We just need to go home. Apparently the ship was popping off with rumors at this point. Everyone was looking at them like, "Oh my God, that's the people," it spread like wildfire. So they were just like, "We need to go." So they go home. They reunite with friends and family and the, like friends of Amy and stuff like that as well. So there's like loads of questions. There's did she fall? Did she jump? Did someone push her? Did she leave? Or did she leave the room, or was she on the balcony? Did she leave the ship? Did someone take her off the ship? Did anyone see anything? But there's no answers. So they get home, and they hold a vigil. And the family are obviously like a complete mess. But they have a few days. They do this vigil, and then they have a few days. The mom is "I literally couldn't close my eyes. I just was like a complete mess," obviously. And then they, after a few days of trying to gather themselves, they start locking in. So they contact media. They contact embassies. They contact police officials. They literally are contacting everyone everywhere, all around the islands, any villages that they went to, anything that they can possibly do. They're reaching out to like families of people on the ships. They're saying like, "Let's keep promoting and try and get ourselves out there, because anyone that gets off that ship might know something that it didn't quite reach yet." Yeah, and like hopefully something in someone's head's gonna click. Yeah. And they'll be like, "Actually- It might not have been see her, but I saw something that was actually really weird and they're just saying anything and everything. They're just trying to get their information out there. So they're doing everything they can from afar, and they're refusing to give up. The police interview every single one of her friends, and Amy had actually come out as gay in 1995- Oh which hadn't gone down well with her family at the time, but they were all vibing again, and they were all friends. Her friends say she did drink a lot, and that she had hardships in her youth with trying to come out in the '90s. As you can imagine. Yeah, but she was really strong and brave, and she had come out of the other side of it. They were saying that her parents were really confused at the time when she came out, and they just weren't really okay with it. Yeah. But they said that they loved her regardless, and they were coming to terms with it. Amy had said to her friends that she felt like this was, like, a really good time for them to all go on holiday- Come back together and stuff, and be the best versions of themselves and stuff. However, they did have to point out that she did like to have a drink- Yeah and stuff, and sometimes they thought she would drink to get over the kind of hard times that- Yeah she'd gone through. As a coping mechanism. This means that they don't think she would've been interested in whatever Yellow had to say. Yeah. Which is- Which, why, then why would she meet up ag- with him again? She was like, "I am a lesbian." Yeah. This is wh- she knew- she'd gone through all the fucking trouble with her family to come out and stuff. You think she wouldn't do that if she wasn't pretty fucking certain? Yeah, and she had a girlfriend when she first came out to her parents, and it, they ended up splitting up- Yeah because of it all going really wrong and stuff. But she was just like, "This, I know this- I know about myself." Yeah. They also said that they all personally didn't feel like it was her taking her own life situation. Yeah. However, obviously no one can know this, but they were saying it really felt like she had a hard time, but everything was just looking really good for her. Obviously, you can never, ever say- Yes that what's- Yeah going on in someone's head. And, everyone's saying, "But she was dancing. She was buying gifts for her friends- That only shows to bring home." It doesn't, it does not mean anything. And yes, she might have been having a good time on her cruise. My brother was out on a night out. Exactly. It just doesn't- It them, they are all so fucking adamant. Yeah. However, it, that is not proof. Yes. It's just- But I can see why you, in your head, it would be like, "We don't think that's where this l- landed," because it doesn't feel like- Yeah that's the way that her life was going. Yeah. They were saying- And also- she's just got- No one wants to believe that- Yeah someone does that. Yeah. They were saying she'd just got a new dog- Yeah and she was writing, sending postcards to her friends saying "I'll see you in a few days." She, it seems like she's planning for the future. Yeah. It just seemed very like that because I think a lot of people were like- But again, my brother took a change of clothes. Yeah. It just, you can't- it just, you, there's no there's no logic to somebody deciding- Yeah that they will. I think also you have to remember there's probably many times in somebody's life where they toy with the idea. Yeah. And sometimes it c- it will just take over and you can't- Yeah you can't stop something like that. And it, people will say "But her family were just on the other side of the door." And it's like that can also mean more to you than you would know. Yeah. There's just... Aside from the fact that there's no body that literally washed up on the shore, no one can ever prove that she didn't do that. Yeah. There's just people being like, "It just didn't seem like that was, that is a viable option." But- Yes there's no proof either way, and I just feel like people saying, "But she seemed to be on the up" is just not- Yeah for me- No a valid- It w- it cannot be definitive argument. Yeah. It can be your opinion- but it can't be... Other than being stood next to her on the night that it happened, there is... You cannot be definitive about whether someone would or wouldn't. Yeah. And there is other... There's so many things that point so many different ways in this situation, but there's s- there's more things later on that could also totally point towards this. There's no conclusive answer to anything. Yeah. But just everyone that knew her unanimously- Was like, "We don't think she would" was like, there was nothing that was giving- Yes this energy, yeah. She'd also recently had beef with this person she was seeing, and they'd just got back together. Yeah. A lot of things that don't necessarily mean anything in the moment. I c- I can see why everyone would be like, "These are things that I personally feel that this would mean that someone wouldn't take their life." Yeah. And then- But they also all talk about how she used to drink away her sorrows- Yeah and that she's had a really hard time growing up. No matter how much her family loves her, she's had it really hard. Yeah. You just, You just- don't know don't know. Yeah, you just don't know. You just, you can't possibly know. Yeah. And I can't ever say... there's a lot of things in this case that make me really feel like she- Maybe did or maybe didn't and was also could be alive. There's so many- Yeah twists and turns. But that is just something that everyone that knows her thinks that she didn't. But o- again I could never say, because no one knows. No. So that's what interviewing the family came up with. Yes. Ron and Brad, they go back to Curacao after they've got themselves together, and they do a pref- press conference there. They openly talk about how the ship wouldn't do a call-out and wouldn't stop letting people off the ship or anything. And they're talking about how- They feel like that was a disservice from the cruise ship, and that things could have been prevented- Yeah potentially. I agree. And again, no one knows that, but it would've been nice if they'd followed all the- Yeah correct precautions to prevent this. And they're just- I think in any scenario you're like, "Here's all the things that you could have done better." I think in a realm of like pure humanity, I don't know how somebody looks a parent who's lost their kid in the eye and says, "It's not even worth waking people up." Also, the fact that within an hour they thought it was worthy. Yeah. And it's what... So you can see the panic. Yeah. And within an hour you think it's worth it. Yeah. But every second was counting at the time- Yeah and you were just being stubborn at the start. It's just dumb. It is dumb. Just, I'd rather literally cringe myself out and literally call something on air and be like- Yeah "Everybody, does anyone know where... And then it's just like that person's right there, and I'm like- Okay, joking but again, and deal with the wrath, and be like, I know in myself I did the right thing by trying to find out what had gone on there, yeah. Absolutely. I'd, I would literally rather be shouted at- Yep than to have denied a family a call out. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. I'd be like, "Every single one of you, come and give me shit, but I'll just tell you all-" But then we do have- that daughter was found because of us." We do have the greatness of hindsight- Yeah that I just think about everything that we do when we- Yeah feel that there's an emergency- in our line of work. Yeah. We take no chances. As in- Yeah we take no chances. As much as we possibly can- Yeah. And I guess that's like- we take no chances us in this day and age- Day... yeah saying we've learnt from these things- Yeah where back in the '90s- Maybe not so much there was no real rules in place. Also you're not exposed to as much as we are in these days, this day and age are we? So- I think- there's a lot of cautionary tales one of the people in the doc, there's, it's the lady, and she works in like the cruise security. And her kid, when she was three, died on a cruise ship. I don't know if she like fell off the side or something. I'm not sure. I can't remember what she said. But that's why she does what she does- Yeah because she's trying to... She was like, "There's no rules out there. You get no justice- Yeah for something like that happening." Because, the person that's in charge is the person that's driving the boat, and they're just going from A to B, and nothing matters. It's a fucking no man's land. Yeah. And she was like, "So I've taken it upon myself to do everything I can to try and make security better, and to make you feel safer and valued when you're literally in the middle of the ocean." Yeah. And she was like, "But before that, it was, it was-" Yeah "a free for all." Yeah. Like- It's the Wild West. Yeah. So this is also just Oh, my God, it just gets so out there. I'm so not nearly done at all. It's crazy. We might be able to split it into two parts. Yeah, potentially. Depends how long you go, really. Yeah. Oh, my God. Fucking hell. Yeah. You're not nearly done- No by any means There's so much to it, bro. So they go back to Curacao. They do this press conference. They talk about any possibilities. They ask for any help. They even... Brad, the brother, is "Just blindfold her and give her back." Yeah. "Just put her anywhere." Fair enough. Literally put her fucking anywhere. We will never ask you another question ever again. That's far from reasonable, but like- Just leave her at the dock- Please and just let us take her home. Please. It's really sad. A ran- So then they do this press conference one day, and then Ron is wandering about in the town. And also something else to note is it's a bit sketchy in some areas in the Caribbean. Obviously- Yeah as it is anywhere. Anywhere, yeah. But there's a lot of dodgy areas that tourists and stuff are told to really- Stay away from not go there and stuff. You kind of end... You dock, and then you stay close and stuff. But a random taxi driver actually pulled up next to Ron one day, and he introduced himself as Deshi. And he says that he'd seen Amy a few days ago. Take this at face value, but he had said that she ran up to him and said, "Please, can you tell me where a phone box is?" And he said, "Oh, there's just one over there." And something spooked her, and she ran off and went the other way. He told him that she was wearing jeans and a black top and that she was alive. And that is what she was last seen- Seen in, yeah to be wearing before she took the- Has that been reported? Yes. Yeah. He told Ron that he needs to go and visit s- these specific coves, and tells him which coves, and to have a look around, right? So Ron was like, "Obviously, I was gonna go." Yeah. "There's no way I wasn't gonna go." Why wouldn't I go? It's our lead- "I'm following this lead." and we've got nothing else. Yeah. But they took a sneaky police guard with them, who was, like, incognito, because these areas that he'd been told to- Dodgy he was, like, fully aware that they were dodgy. And the police guard was like, "These are dodgy areas where there's a lot of trafficking going on, a lot of drugs smuggling and stuff going on." So it's a dodgy area anyway, so he could be telling you just to go to a dodgy area because then you'll just probably get kidnapped- Yeah and it'll be like whatever. But if there's anything to go off Ron was being like, "I'm going." I'm going, yeah. "I don't fucking care what anyone says. If I get kidnapped, but I have to go." I'll do it in the name of trying to find my daughter. Exactly. So they end up on this random little side quest where they go off to these coves, and these areas were overrun by mafia groups. They were heavy in drug and sex trafficking, which is what they thought maybe Amy had been taken from. Yeah. That makes- If she's alive and off the ship, that's the only thing that makes sense exactly. So they drove to these places. They found some derelict places that looked like someone had been staying, but there was nothing really conclusive. I assume they're not DNA testing- Yeah these areas. If caught, isn't it? Yeah they're literally just going in and having a look around, and then running back out so that no one sees these two white guys just running around looking in their cabins and stuff- and was, like, freaking out. But it was derelict, so they were just like, "We've managed to get in and get out." The dad also is "Oh, there were some Tic Tacs there, and Amy loved Tic Tacs." And I was like, "That's a bit of a stretch, mate." Yeah. It's not like you're saying fucking Bombay Badboy Pot Noodles, do you know? If you look in my bag, there's Tic Tacs in there. I can promise you she's never been in there. Literally. Literally. Yeah. Yeah. It just was like, it's not really a niche thing. Yeah after loads of searching, it was, like, getting dark, and they were on the way back, and this is... Oh, it's so difficult. But Brad, the brother, two cars drive past each other, Brad and everyone's in one, and he hears Amy shout something to him from this car. And he's freaking out, and he's "I just heard Amy shout my name." So they turn around, and they're, like, trying to find this car and stuff, and they find a car that they think is that same car, and they pull him over, and it's just a guy. Yeah. Brad is like, "I swear on my life- I heard this that was her calling my name." Again, you're in a state of panic. I don't know. It's so hard. It's so hard because I just don't know if he's just, That no one slept in weeks, yeah. I- And they're just frantically grasping onto- That's so difficult. I know. And also, what are the chances? I know. I know. But- I don't know. Yeah it's so stressful I don't, I wouldn't ever wanna take that away from them, but fucking hell, that's, that is, that's difficult. Yeah. It's really stressful. But he's "I swear on my life it was her." Yeah. "I just don't know how to tell you that it's literally her calling my name." Also, your brain is a terrible thing. Yeah. I hear people calling my name all the time. Yeah. Like- Yeah, same. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So then we fast-forward to six months after Amy's disappearance. On August... In August in 1998, a man named David Carmichael is on his holibobs. He has been to Calgary to... He was going from Calgary to Curacao with a friend on a vacation. Porto Marie was where they kept going back to on their vacation, which was a specific beach that they absolutely loved in Curacao. One day, he was just chilling on the beach, and he saw three people walking his way, two guys with one girl in the middle. The girl came right up to him and was smoking, and he distinctively remembers that she had a tattoo of a Tasmanian devil. She was about to say something to David, and the guy next to her just- stares them both down and was like, it, he was like, "I wouldn't have even noticed this interaction except for hi- this guy's- This guy's reaction glare was so into my soul that I was like, 'Shit.'" What's going on? "Am I in a situation right now? I don't really know what's going on." And then he motions her away. And David said that this unsettled him, but he put it to the back of his mind, as will we for now. Yes. So then we go to the 5th of December, 1998, so this is nine months after the disappearance of Amy. David is watching American's Most- America's Most Wanted episode. And he sees a picture of Amy on one of the episodes, and he was like, "I know that girl." Yeah, I've seen her. Straight away. Then they specifically are going through distinctive- Details features about her, and she's got a tattoo of the Tasmanian devil, and he said that the other tattoos that he saw were identical, and her piercings were identical to her. Oh, God. She... Do you know what she looks like? No. She is quite distinctive as well. She's got... she probably doesn't always have short hair. Why would I say that? But she's this is what she looks like. Oh, yeah. That's her. Yes, very distinctive. And everyone is like, "Fucking, that's that twat." Oh, yeah. That's the cruise director twat. Looks like a knobhead. Let me try and find you Yellow as well. That's her brother, literally identical brother. Yeah. And that's her dad, identical as well. Yeah. Oh, God, it's such a creepy little story. Freaks me out. Yeah, so he's watching it, and he's "Th- they are li- that is her." Yeah. "There's just no doubt in my mind that's her." It kinda does sound like it is her. Yeah. Oh. Ah, I don't know. Then not only w- so he calls the police, and he gives straight away all of this evidence. Not only did he recognize Amy, but the guy that stared him down was none other than the suspect on America's Most Wanted, Alister Douglas, as well. Yellow? Yeah, and he says that he's absolutely convinced that it was Yellow. That it was Yellow. But he's more convinced that it was Amy. Okay. He's "That is 1,000 million percent her because she went up to me to try and speak to me." Okay. So then there's this guy in January 1999, so 10 months after Amy is missing. This guy called Bill Hefner from Nevada. He- No relation to Hugh? He was, has, had been at the time a Navy SEAL for 20 years, right? He was on the UFF Chandler pulling into Curacao for a one-night stopover. Yes. He went to a bar for a beer, which he shouldn't have been doing. Naughty, naughty and I think that it was more of a brothel. He did not go to a bar for a beer. Yes it was like a s- sex house, trafficking house kind of- like scandalous thing going on, right? But he went into a cheeky bar for a beer. Whilst he was in there, he saw two guys and two girls. The guys had guns. Yeah. And he was feeling a little bit shifty, right? He said that one of the girls was white and one of them was Hispanic. Yeah. And he was sat down with them, and the Hispanic lady leaves to go to the bar or, goes to order a drink, whatever. And the other girl, he said specifically with tattoos, says to Hefner that she was being held against her will and needed $200 to get away. He puts this down to sex workers just trying their luck- Yeah because- To get some money it does happen that like- Yeah the men have said, "Go and get as much money- Get some money as you can off that random guy drinking alone," yes. But then her accent completely changed when she was certain that no one was listening to them anymore, and she said, "My name is Amy Bradley," in a Southern American accent. Interesting. Yeah. He said that she told him he had... she had gotten off the boat to score some drugs after her and her brother had been to a party and she'd got stolen away. And she clearly didn't want the others to hear. As soon as the others came back, she shut the fuck up. Yeah. So she wasn't like, "My 200 pounds, please," it wasn't 'til 2001 that he saw a picture of her on some random, like news thing and was like, "Oh my God, that's you," and he didn't report it when that first happened because he sh- was somewhere that he shouldn't- Was... yeah have been, and he was like, "It was definitely, like a sex house." He's "I should not have been in there. I would've been sacked." It was only in 2001 that he saw a picture of her and was like- And was like, "That's her" "That 1,000% is her, and I'm gonna ring the police and tell them and risk my job just because I'm so certain that it's her." The police sh- also showed him yellow, but he couldn't be too sure about the men because he didn't really, have that much interaction- Yeah, no interaction with them. So during all of this stuff going on, we're going back to the family, they're all getting witnesses coming forward, and they're going over and over the events. Ron was going over all of the waiting staff. So basically in the doc they're like I was thinking of every single tiny detail that happened of that night just to see if there's anything I missed." So Ron, the dad, was going through saying that all of the waiting staff at dinner were obsessed with Amy, and they kept talking about trying to take her out to a bar before the ship left that night, and she was like, "Fuck no." Iva said that she thought that she noticed someone watching them at dinner and thought that they were watching Amy but couldn't tell if they were watching, like the table or Amy. And she looked away for a second, and when she looked back they'd gone. Okay. These are all just them, like really- yeah clutching at straws and stuff. Ivor and Amy, after dinner, went to collect their pictures from the formal photo shoot, which was that picture I just showed you of her. Yes. That's her at the dinner. And when they got to the photographer with all of his pictures lined up, he said, "Oh, my God, I know exactly which picture is yours. You're over here." And he took them both over there, and her pictures had gone, like- Oh off the wall. Yeah. And no one in the family had purchased them. And he hadn't sold them to anyone. Oh, okay. Yeah. They said they didn't really think much of it again. And they said, "Can you get them redone?" And he said, "Yeah, sure." So they got them redone, and that was literally all that happened. The end of it. They also at this point had set up hotlines for anyone with any information. They did countless press conferences, and they were pushing for answers always. They, through setting up hotlines, they set up a phone call to their own home and an email, and they answered everything. Jesus. Every single fucking thing, right? As you would. Oh, yeah. As you absolutely would. Of course. But as you can imagine, they had hoax calls, they had- Yeah fake news. They had all of these horrible things. Until one day in 2005, so this is seven years after her going missing, a series of photos came through on email to the family. These were allegedly from a website where you could receive pornographic images of females that you could meet up with sex workers, basically. The website was free photos- Yeah and then it just had a bit of info about them, and then you could go and meet them, right? The person who sent the email is anonymous- Yeah because they were just on the website. They weren't part of it. Yes. They- They just... They were on the website. They saw the photos. They sent them. They were like, "I shouldn't be on here, so I'm remaining anonymous." Yeah. "But here is-" Some photos I found some photos I found. police from, So there's one specific guy that kind of works in Trinidad and Tobago and stuff like that, but they're saying in... This guy is saying that within the Caribbean and Venezuela is a huge human trafficking situation where... I know this is the porn industry, basically, anyway. Yeah. But specifically in the Caribbean and Venezuela, they're saying that there's a lot of human trafficking going on, where women wouldn't really have that much choice. So they would have these dodgy photos of them going on, and then they would be, like, sold to these c- people, and there'd be, like, meetings up. But it wasn't really someone opening up their own porn website. So it was giving sex trafficking as opposed to making ends meet- Yeah. Yeah to be a sex worker. And that was the location from these women on this website that the photos allegedly came from. Okay. Someone had sent them to the Find Amy email saying that it was a possible lead, and I'm gonna show you one of them because it is the most terrifying thing. Am I gonna be flabbergasted? Let me just find one. Oh, my God, it actually scares me so much. Oh, my God. Yeah. It is horrifying. This is a picture of her oh, my God. It's the eyes. I know. There's two. Oh, my God. There's a number of- And her nose and her mouth I know. And she looks like she's so made up., So it's really difficult. And she looks- Let me just move that up in a lot older. Yeah. But the if she's in the traffic trades- it's seven years, like- It's se- it's seven years- Seven years- but if she's in the traffic and- and whatever you've gone through- Yeah as well in that time But she, it, but fuck me, that looks like her. It's so terrifying. And she doesn't have any tattoos on that side of her that you can really see, can the positioning of the photos. No. It's... Where's the other one? I really ha- I don't want to even look at it, but I feel like you need to look at her face. Do you know what I mean? The other one is on the dock. Oh, that's the other one. Oh, God, yeah. So it was, like, a series of photos. I think there was, they only showed two on the dock. I don't know how many actually came through, but that was the first one that came through, and then the other one is the one where she's lying on her back, not- Oh, but her nose is exactly the same. I know. Oh, my God. I know. It's so scary. That is horrible. It's so scary. So they get these photos in, literally sent straight to her mom. Oh. In an email saying, "I have to remain anonymous. This is an anonymous email, but this, is this a lead? It's come from this website." Fucking hell. Yeah. And it is uncanny. It's so weird, isn't it? That is uncanny, yeah. So they get a few of these photos, and they straightaway send it to the FBI. They're like, "I want to keep this person anonymous." I think that they genuinely have sent them us to t- Yeah as a lead- To try and help because it would just track it straight back to this person. Also- you don't know people s- I assume they did track them as well, and they were like- People slew "You're just a guy." People slew. It doesn't necessarily mean what they were doing was nefarious. Yeah. Like- They might just genuinely be- They might just be like- Because people, pe- like- And people are c- like, later we'll even talk about the way that people get involved in this case to try and find out anything and everything to help. Yeah. And it's people that are tech wizards that are literally just- I don't know if you've ever seen Don't Fuck With Cats, but like- Yeah, it gives Don't Fuck With Cats. It's that vibe, isn't it? You don't know that people aren't just doing what they can to try and find- Yeah her. Yeah. I think that is Yeah, I don't know. You don't know, but yeah. But the FBI do a forensic analysis each detail of the face, chin, ears, body, everything, her cheekbones, widow's peak of her hair, literally everything. The picture's conveniently c- pla- she's placed in a way that you can't see any of her tattoos. Tattoos, yeah. And it has been seven years, so this facial analysis was so important. And the forensic analysis confirms that they think it is her. Is her. Yeah. Oh, my God. So then an episode of Dr. Phil airs with the family, and the family go through all the similarities. They literally talk about it. They're obviously promoting her disappearance, saying, "This might be a more up-to-date picture of her. If it's her, it means that she is alive and she is somewhere." Yeah. God knows what the fuck she's been through, but let's go again. We can do this again. And we can try and find her." So Judy Mora was watching this, and she was like, "Oh, my fucking God. I've seen this person," right? She was on a cruise in Barbados in 2005, so this is the most up-to-date, like- Sighting sighting of her. They'd been to a gift shop. Her and her husband, sorry, had been to a gift shop, and Judy went to the restroom before they were getting back on the ship. When she was in there, men came into the female toilets, so she was immediately like, "The fuck's going on?" "What the fuck?" Yeah. 'Cause she could hear these people talking, and they were talking about a deal at 11:00, but she couldn't really make out what that actually meant. There was also a girl in the toilets with them, and they said to the girl, "You aren't gonna try and leave, are you?" And she said, "Can we see the children?" And they said, "Yeah, if you're gonna do as we say." And sh- apparently she said, "Yes, I will." Okay. What was this woman called? Judy. She said she was a bit irked about the men beefing in there, but also they left, so she quickly was like, "What the fuck is going on?" Yeah, get out, yeah. "Let's get out of here. Something weird's going on." And she swung open the bathroom door, but the girl was still in the bathroom. She had long, dark hair, and she was, like, stood by the mirror, and she was crying, and she looked really distressed. And Judy said... was washing her hands next to her, and she said, "Hey, are you on vacation here?" And this girl just shook her head and didn't say anything She said, "Do you live here?" And the girl just shook her head. And Judy said, "Oh, what's your name?" And this girl turns to her and says, "Amy." Yeah. And Judy said apparently she had a Southern accent, and sh- when she asked where Amy was from, Amy said West Virginia. Yes. And then Judy said, "No fucking way. I live near you, and I have a daughter called Amy too." And then this girl just gets really fucking off and weird with her, and she starts, like cornering her in the bathroom. And Judy's obviously "Oh my God, what have I said?" And she's backing up a little bit. And Judy managed to get to the bathroom, like the restroom door, and she opens it, and a man is stood in her way. So she said she just plays, like dumb tourist, and she's excuse me, just need to get out. Sorry." And she manages to inch out of the way, and she runs to her husband, and her husband apparently says to her like, "God, that took you a while." And she was like, "Something fucked up is going on. I don't know what's going on." Now, don't really know what I expect her to do in this situation, but she just doesn't do anything else. She just watches them and I'm not expecting you to jump in and be like- Yeah "Come with me, lad" save her. But kinda tell someone, but I think she was just like, "Maybe we're just in a dodgy area and there's something going on." But two men then are walking this girl out, out of the way, and they take her off with holding each of her arms. So it looks like they're, like, pulling her- Pulling her out, yeah but she's still walking and stuff. But it does look like they've been like, "You, shut the fuck up. Come with us. Didn't realize someone else was in there," yes, so Judy recognizes the girl as the exact same girl in the pictures on Dr. Phil. So she calls up and she also gives all of her evidence there as well. The police are busy trying to check all security footage of all the areas, and they have spoken and they have people analyzing the shit out of every photos that were sent. They were trying to work out the bed frame and the wallpaper and everything, but it does literally just look like it's in the middle of- Yeah fucking nowhere. Th- that's difficult, isn't it, really? Yeah. But they've sent it to, like- Especially 'cause interiors. Exteriors of houses is a lot easier 'cause it's a lot ha- harder to change. But interiors, like- Yeah, there's no clocks in the background- Yeah or anything that's giving anything. It's just a really empty room. They also send it to all the people in the different islands all around the Caribbean- Yes that they're just like, "If anyone recognizes anything," but a lot of people, even if they do, they'd be like, "I'm not getting involved with the police." I'm not getting involved. Yeah. So they found the sender. They remain anonymous. And they weren't anything to do with it, and that was ruled out. So nothing more. 19 years after Amy's disappearance in 2017, the family receive a phone call- call from someone called Amica Douglas- Okay who is the daughter of Alister Douglas. Of Yellow. Yeah. And she says that she has information. So this is fucking 19 years on- Yeah and she just randomly calls and she says she's got information to help. Tamika said that her mom had said all of those years ago when her dad came home after being away for months on end from the cruise that he'd been on, the specific one with Amy Bradley, he was being really weird and everything changed between them. She was pregnant with Tamika at the time, and Amica, I said Did I say? Yes, Amica. So she was pregnant with Amica at the time, and they ended up getting a divorce when Amica was only one, so whatever happened changed everything. Yeah, it changed their relationship. They were, like, happily together and having a baby, and he'd gone off on this cruise. So he Ah, see now- I was formulating a thought that I was saving. But I was like, it's very convenient that what he says is what he does is schmooze young girls on cruise ships, and he just does it all the time. And that's I'm not Obviously, there's not plenty of girls going missing- yeah on cruise ships, but there are plenty of girls going missing on holiday. On holiday, and if this is something he just does, it does seem awfully convenient- that he I don't know. That is, that's dicey. Yeah, it's really interesting. Apparently, she also saw, when he came back she saw a bag that he hadn't had with him when he left, and she looked in it and there was loads of pictures of c- white women, and she was really creeped out by this. Younger- Yeah women, and they were all white. Yeah. Which- he's made it quite clear that he goes for them. Yeah. And he's been open about that. "Yeah, I like to schmooze the women," but this could be more like a, "Do you like the look of any of them for us to take?" Yeah. I don't know. He apparently gets upset whenever Amica asks about it, and they're h- and she is saying that her whole childhood and her whole life- She's known about she's not known about what's gone on- Okay with this weird conversation, and it just feels like there's, it's, his story is always missing a lot of parts. Then she rings him on the documentary and puts him on loudspeaker, her dad. I thought that he was gonna be dead, to be honest, but- No I don't know he's still chilling. He's Yeah. And she just calls him out, and he says, she says, "That guy saw you on a beach with her," and he said, "I don't like beaches." Oh. Then she says "People have seen you with Amy all the times of your disappearance." And he says "That's bullshit." And then sh- he says everyone was questioned, not just him, just 'cause he liked dancing with girls and that was all. To his kid. Interesting. Yeah. He's like- big Caribbean character, like- Yeah, schmooze her Like thick accent. He's "Don't worry about it." Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like- No big deal, my love. Yeah. It's like proper "Everyone was questioned. I don't even like beaches. What are you chatting?" It was just really he's so- Yeah. Oh, I don't know charismatic- Charismatic in the way that he's like but she- Which is a great trait for a crew member. Exactly. And the way that she is just like it doesn't make any sense. It's never made sense, Dad. You don't make any sense to me. Your stories don't line up." And it's damn. Fucking hell. What's he done to you? Call him out on dock. Yeah, it is savage. But he doesn't really give anything like, yeah, it's, it just doesn't under- I don't understand it really. I'm actually almost at the end So that doesn't really go anywhere. He just says "Everyone was questioned, not just Amy, like dancing with the girls," and that was literally it. Yeah. And she's just I don't think your story lines up." And he's "Baby, please." "My baby," god, he's super chill about her fucking being like, "You trafficked that girl." I know. He says something as well "We can't go over this again," oh my God. And she's it's like clearly she doesn't feel like she's got the truth. Yeah. So then this is something else to note about that stupid cruise director that I hate, is that at the end he says about Yellow, "He was a chill guy. He was at the wrong place at the wrong time dancing with the wrong girl." It's her fault, is it? Literally. She's the wrong girl, is she? Literally. Wrong girl 'cause she got fucking taken? Yeah, literally. Potentially. I don't understand. Like, why is he being like, "Leave my man alone." Yeah. Okay. That girl was chaos from the start. How can you possibly know that he didn't do it? You can't. He's the guy that's convinced that she jumped, but I think also it would be awfully convenient for anyone that worked on that cruise ship to think that she jumped off because then it's not their fault- Yeah that they slipped the mark, like they weren't paying attention. Even if she jumped, you still made the wrong choices. Like- Like she, you still made the wrong choices they're trying to be like, "It's not our security measures." Yeah. "It's not the cruise ship. It's that she, it's that she's the wrong girl." What security measures? She's a handful, you're fucking recording the ballroom but not the fucking rooftop. Literally. What? But like the way that he was, ugh. He's at the wrong place at the wrong time dancing with the wrong girl. I hate that. Hate that. What? If he'd been dancing with a different girl, he might have got a shag. Yeah. And she might not have been- Why is it her fault? Why is she the wrong girl? missing for 20 years. Oh, I'm fuming. Yeah. Plus if people are being hired in the Caribbean or the US, how do you monitor it because it's two separate places with different employees everywhere, no laws? It- fuck, fucked- Yeah the whole thing. Absolutely wild. I don't know how you can't hold ships to standards, though. Is that, they're really that difficult? I know. I don't understand. And I guess- They're companies. They're companies because it's a multimillion-dollar company as well. Yeah, fucking. And then you've just got one guy that's driving the ship, but they're just- you can hold them to standards, but you'd have to have a fucking backbone for it. Like- I know, and they're so interested- That's the difficulty in making sure that the bread rolls have the flour butter and all of this stuff. Let's just say the fucking jurisdiction is down to whichever company it's registered to. Like, wherever country the company is registered to, that's the jurisdiction. Let's say that, shall we? Is that complicated? Yeah, I just it is I think it has solidified some laws that need to be... even s- Yeah not even sometimes. We all know maritime law is a thing. Yeah. Yeah, I just think that it's, it, this kind of helped kick that into place. It's just such a shame that someone had to literally go missing for people to start paying attention to- Yeah the fact that you don't really- It's always the way, isn't it? have good security measures, literally. We're not a very preemptive species. No. We love to react. No. So this was my other s- completely random side note which kind of like sw- might sway you in a different direction. I don't know. Is Amy had a girlfriend before she went away, the one I was talking about earlier, and actually the reason why they'd had a bit of a tiff was because Amy had cheated on her by kissing some random person. Amy's girlfriend was fuming at the time, so Amy wrote her a message in a bottle- before the cruise- to apologize, because she had said to her girlfriend that it confirmed her feelings for her by kissing someone else, right? Listen to what this note says. Okay. "Molly, I hurt you deeper than you can ever forget. I'm not asking you to forget, because that will never happen. I just wanted to ask if you could find it in your heart to forgive me. Molly, will you please forgive me? I have been an insensi- I have been insensitive, immature, and selfish. I didn't feel like the person I was, and I'm not proud of how I acted. I feel like there's an ocean between us, like I'm on a desert island waiting for you to rescue me. A message in a bottle, my only hope. I miss you, Molly. Save me, please. Stranded, Amy." The fuck? What the fuck? If that... Oh, I don't know. That's some fucking awful foreshadowing. Literally. Which then points towards suicide. Yeah. But I just, like- Yeah can't, I c- I can't fathom, girl. I cannot fathom. But then those pictures are mad. And her family are like, "We will never stop." We, we- Yeah fair enough like- Like, why would you unless- Someone- you've got a definitive answer, like? But you're not... Oh, my God. I don't know I just don't know I literally don't know as... what what is the fucking chances that message is so foreshadowing? That is creepy AF. Like- Isn't it? Isn't it? Yeah. That is- crazy foreshadowing And even this girlfriend is sh- I don't know how she knew that she was gonna get taken on this island. She's not it must be that she's taken her own life. She's like she felt stranded, and now she is stranded somewhere. That's maybe not the right word, but maybe it's serendipity. Like- Yeah. Like- It's just she- foreshadowing felt that was the right set of words, and then that is... Oh, my God. I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know. But how spooky is that? That is really spooky. That's why I had to, quote unquote write that. I think if there was more about her being really mentally unwell, I might say, "Do you think that maybe she just fucking was like, 'She'll come and save me'"? And that is what she was doing to get her- Yeah. Like- girlfriend back. But I literally don't know it feels like she's being like, "I've really fucked up, and I've made a mistake, and I just really want you to..." But the nautical theme that is- Yeah going on through this note is almost too unbelievable to be a coincidence. Yeah. And if it is, can you imagine p- what the- Yeah, no, not really. That- Molly must be literally be like, "What?" Yeah. Because then there's someone else out there. 'Cause I would read that and say that is someone saying that I... it feels final. Do you know what I mean? It's- But then also, also- But also on the side note- she was about to go on a cruise they got back together as well, by the way. Yeah. She was about... Also, she was about to go on a cruise. Yeah. Maybe she's just gone hell for, or high water, pardon the pun- for fucking nautical theme. Yeah. She's just been, like, m- imagining herself on the cruise ship- Yeah thinking, "What if I can't do it without Molly?" She's "Oh, I'm on this cruise ship. Do you know what would be a really good idea? Message in a bottle." And then message in a bottle, what do you do in- with a message in a bottle? You're deserted or stranded. Yeah. Like- just thinking of her at sea and just- maybe she's just theatrical. Yeah. And she's just gone with the theme. I know. It's not really giving PE degree. It's not giving PE at all. But s- literally when I, when she read it out on the dock, I literally got goosebumps. Yeah. Because I was like, "What the fuck?" "What the fuck?" And apparently then they get back together, and Molly is "It's okay. We can get back together. I believe you now." And she's "Oh, my God. I'm so happy." And then she sends her a postcard while she's out there saying, "I wish you were here. I can't wait to see you. I've got you a present." Yeah. I mean- It just... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I can't ever tell you what I think. So this kind of starts ending now- with no answer. But there's this little nerd cutie pie, his name is Anthony Willis, and he one day just creates a website because he is really obsessed with true crime and stuff. And he creates a website called amybradleyismissing.com. Yes. And he puts up all of this in- updated information. And that's what the doc's called? It's called, yeah, Amy Bradley Is Missing. Amy Bradley Is Missing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's on Netflix, and I would watch it. It's three episodes and they're only 40 minutes, and it's really good. And he basically puts up... He's just a super cr- true crime nerd and fanatic, and he just wants answers all the time. So he loves the true crime world, but also anything that's unsolved. He likes to nerd out and put all of the stuff together- Yeah and just see if it flags anything for anyone, and he puts up missing posters and just gets, like, all of the old stuff that you might have missed. Yeah. And gets it all onto one space. And Iva and Carmichael that... So Carmichael's the guy that saw her on the beach. And then Iva is her mom. And they, between the three of them, they kind of form this little friendship because Carmichael's really determined to help out in any other way he can because he's so convinced that if he'd just done something when that guy glared him down- Yeah if he'd just been like, "Fuck off, mate," and just grabbed her- Maybe he could've- and said, "What are you trying to say to me?" Yeah. He really- he just didn't know. No, of course he didn't. Like- even at the time he wasn't even sure who she was, he just knew that it was a weird situation. Yeah, exactly. I think he's just, He was like, "I replay it so much." Imagine if you actually just fucking- And he's a smart boy, this guy mate, imagine if you accidentally just kidnap someone trying to be, like, the hero. Do you know what I mean? Like- yeah. And I think he's just, 'cause he's a really smart guy, I think he's just "I was so close to potentially being able to help this family that I wanna- Yeah try and stay involved and do anything I can." No I get it. I do But yeah, so Anthony, David, and Iva, they all are heavily involved in this website. So Iva's giving out any information. Carmichael's looking at statistics of the website and stuff and trying to see, like, how they can get it promoted in different ways and whatever. And then Anthony is the one that's filling out all of the police details and stuff like that. They start tracking the geolocations and data from the website. And Anthony starts filtering the geolocations and stuff, and then he sends them to David, and David starts categorizing them. And there are fucking loads of clicks from Barbados. Bridgeton is the specific place. They start putting loads more... So they're like, "Why is someone in Barbados constantly looking at this? Might be because the last time she was seen was in Barbados- Yeah and people are interested. It might be the people that know something that's happened to her and they're interested." Or it might be her. Or it might be her. So they start putting loads more information about the family to get more details, like- The, and also David manages to categorize it so that you can see exactly which pages and which images were looked at the most- Most and for how long- Yes you were on them for. And they so these pictures are gonna be, like her dog- that's 20 now or whatever- Yeah I don't know. That's not good maths. That's I d- oh, maybe 19. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the dog her car. They literally have kept her car clean and fixed for 20 years. 20 years. They get it fixed up and stuff, and they drive it and stuff. They've got all of her stuff in the loft still to this day just in case she goes home. Sh- the mom is like, "I've even kept the change in her wallet so that when she comes home, she can just go straight back to her life." We're just ready. It's so devastating. That is devastating because also there's no going back to her life. They've still got the phone lines open. They've still got the emails open. They check them all the time. They are constantly doing things still to this day. They have never, ever given up. And they start posting, like, all of these different things about what they're up to and what they're trying to do and any vigils that they do and things like that. And then he starts filtering through how long people are on these pages for. They discover that in Barbados on birthdays, Christmases, Thanksgiving, and stuff like that- Oh, it's her are all the important dates to the family, someone is constantly hitting that site in Barbados, which was her last alleged sighting. Thanksgiving, 48 minutes, 15 hits on those kind of images. Birthdays, Christmases, same, up to an hour. That's so her. That, who else would that be? Because that's not someone looking at the maps. No. And, you know- That's family photos and what they're up to and- That's someone staring at her da- And it's on the big holidays mom and dad in her car with her dog And on, are they finding that on the family's birthdays and stuff? Yeah. It's, that's her. It's- It has to be her key dates that would only matter to the family. It's not even like they're looking at evidence and stuff, and they're trying to see what do they know about us. It's like they're staring at a picture of her dog for an hour. That is her. That has to be her. Bro. There is no other... That is her- or a child she has had. So then these people that are involved they're saying, everyone's saying why wouldn't she have reached out if she's got access to the internet and stuff?" And they were like, "Number one," the dad is like, "You don't know whether it's Stockholm syndrome. You don't know if they're threatening the..." He's "They might be threatening us, and she's still absolutely terrified that something's gonna happen. Might be threatening her partner and stuff." Yeah, it's been 20 years. Or if she's had kids, they might be holding the children. And then they were like, "One of the main things is that if she's been sex trafficked this whole time- God fucking forbid, but if she's alive, then she's probably gone through the craziest stuff ever and it's been horrible. And she might have kids, which would link up to Judy about- What she said in the bathroom and she said that it was the only excitement that she heard in her voice that whole time was when she asked if she could see the kids. Yeah. And, they're saying it just makes them... they're saying it's so terrifying, but we just wanna keep... If that's the only way we get to show her anything- At least she gets that at least she gets that. And she also understands that might be... She might say, "I c- I can't because the second I try and reach out to you guys, they take my kids. They hurt my kids." Yeah Anything. And if there's ever a day where she can, that she knows that they're still there still looking for her. And that's why they were like, "We will never ever stop," because if she can even try and get away somehow... And they were like, "And even if she has got like Stockholm syndrome or something and she won't ever leave," at least until they die, they will literally give her- she obviously hasn't forgotten- Any- who she is. Yeah. And they were like, "We will give her everything we can via this website, and we will keep monitoring it and keep seeing if she's moving around, and we'll keep looking, and we'll just keep doing everything that we can." And that is literally all they can do, bro. Oh, my God. That is so devastating because I... There are many things that wouldn't... You cannot convince me that's not her. I know. It's, it's- That has to be her and it's been 28 years now. 28 years. Fucking hell. That's horrific. All you can hope is that, like... No, she would've gone back to her family. I was gonna say, all you can hope is that maybe she just ended up getting out of that life, whatever happened to her. Yeah. And then she built a life of her own- Yeah and carried on. And maybe she's just too worried to go back, but I just feel like she would just go, she would've gone back. The fact that... the last time was like 2005 or whatever this doc came out in 2025 they've not seen or heard from her in a really long time. It must... back then as well, it was like she was trying to get herself back home, and she was trying to do something about it. It's just not like- Now if they've left her alone, she would try again because- Yeah she was try- that's what I mean. She would go back. She would 100% go back to her family if there was- if she'd managed to get out and live a life, and if she's got kids and stuff I just... You cannot convince me that someone who, still on Christmas and Thanksgiving, on significant birthdays, who is l- spending s- time looking at those pages, that would not find a way back to her family. I know. And if she's not, it means she can't. Yeah. And it means that- And that means for 28 years- she's allowed to do things like go on the internet. Yeah. But she- Because they are so certain- she tries to reach out- she won't they will s- they will, you know- And that's because for 28 years, she... It means that 28 years, this has been her entire life. I know. This is usually longer than my life. More than she spent with her family. Yeah. It is so wild. That is fucking devastating. I know. And it's so many people were like, like that fucking cruise director just, oh, fuck off. I hate him. But he's "She must have jumped, 'cause nothing else makes sense." And it's I know that none of this makes sense, but look at all of the other facts. I don't know what I believe. I just don't know. I know. No. But it seems too- I'm fairly convinced that she's alive now, though many busy bodies... Yeah. It feels like too many busy bodies to get involved and be absolutely certain. People willing to lose their jobs, and people literally finding photos that FBI forensic testing has literally said that is the same face. I just don't know. I just don't know. And if you were someone- I don't understand how they got her off the ship, though. I know. There was- That I don't understand there was one bit, I don't know why I didn't write it in there, but someone was absolutely convinced that, that yellow because if you're a staff member, you don't have the same kind of security procedures as you do- As the passengers if you're just some stupid tourist just being like, "Ha get me off this ship. I don't care if someone's gone missing. Just let me out into the shops." He could have just had a suitcase and just wheeled her straight off alive. Ugh. And literally just dropped her off to some random geezer, and that was it. All it takes is for him to have got her out of that room. No. That's fucking fuck. Horrifying, isn't it? Yeah, and it literally gives me the heebie-jeebies. Yeah. I, ugh. Anyway, fancy a cruise next year? Absolutely not. I, part of me hopes that she's not alive, to be honest. I know. I know. I know. Because I don't like that. I don't like that, One of her mates is, like- premise it was They were like, "I don't know what is worse, is the fact that they can't ever, the family can't ever get closure, so they'll never stop, or the fact that they're just gonna be remaining positive until potentially the day they die." Yeah. She was like, "I don't wanna find out something terrible happened to her, but if it happened straight away at least they could have some sort of closure." You've got time to grieve. But you can't even grieve, 'cause you don't know if she's gone. I know. You're grieving the loss of her, but you don't really know if she's gone. No, and it's like the days... That's why they just, apparently they are so positive about- Hope is a terrible thing- Yeah sometimes. I just, I like, God, it would be a fucking miracle if she reached out, this story has made me regret this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, it was fucking horrible. Soz. It's gotta be done, mate. Yeah. Go watch Amy Bradley Is Missing. Yeah. And just hate on that cruise director, okay? Yeah. He's the guy that dances at the start. Just punch him straight in the face. Also, just have some sympathy even if she did fucking jump. I know. Jesus Christ. I just don't understand, 'cause his argument was like she obviously jumped," and it was like, okay be respectful then. Yeah. And if she didn't jump and she's gone through all of this shit, be respectful. Yeah. There's just no need for you to not be respectful about this. And also- Point no one fucking asked you. Yeah. Stupid dancing man. I'm so over him. Anyway, we've managed to get to two hours. Yeah. So it is time to go. Ta-ra. Ta-ra a bit. Ta-ra a bit. Follow us on stuff. Yeah, you know the drill. Can't be arsed now. See you next week.