Tupac and Biggie Part One

This week, we're heading into one of the most infamous rivalries in music history, where fame, loyalty, and violence collided in a story that still raises questions nearly three decades later.

As tensions grew between two of hip-hop's biggest stars, rumours, media attention, and escalating conflicts fuelled a feud that would change the music industry forever. But behind the headlines was a far more complicated story than many people realise.

In Part One, we'll explore the rise of Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G., how their friendship unravelled, the East Coast vs. West Coast rivalry, and the events that set the stage for two of the most shocking murders in modern music history.

So grab a drink, settle in... because this is only the beginning.

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Before we begin. ASMR You've got some long, messy crisps you're eating right there. Yeah I'm not having them anymore. It is indeed. Look at you. You're learning. I like it. I'll support anyone that eats crisps. I've polluted all of you. Yeah. So badly. This, yeah, it's actually insane. God. And it's Tom's fault because he polluted me. Yeah. Spain has just won. Spain has just won. We weren't see, we didn't see that coming. We like France just got thrashed. I know. 2-0. And- Ole Mayo it's us tomorrow against Argentina. I know. Ah, the worry. Was that who we reached next last time? I know we didn't get to the... What even happened last time? I think we made it to the s- Semi semis last time. Yeah. And then Argentina won. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. Why the fuck am I even talking about this? Yeah. I actually love it. I'm invested though. You're invested. We love- I love a trend are you gonna watch it tomorrow? Are you gonna stay up... Are you gonna... No. It's on the same time. She'll be on. She'll be on. She's on at half eight. Yeah. And the match starts at 8:00. Yeah. So if it gets postponed like it keeps doing for whatever reason, like a storm or too hot or whatever, but I doubt it. You might get to see a bit. Yeah, maybe if she is on at half 8:00 but the match doesn't start till half 9:00 or 9:00 or whatever. That's fair. I might catch the end of it. At least you get like the carefree Simat, do-do-do, looking at her phone. Yeah, maybe. We've either won or lost. 'Cause they're playing it in a different bit, so maybe- Yeah, this is the thing, I just heard that news off-camera. Yeah. And if I am like, "Shut the fuck up, Simat," no, I'd never be like that. Why have I just done that? But also you have seen her live, Kel's seen her live. I've not seen her live. I just have to... I was like, I am invested in the football. She's so good. Yeah. And the England project. It's gonna be so good. So good. The weather's good. She's great. Yeah, it's such a nice evening. She's so much fun. Yeah. I probably would have, wouldn't have put my tickets up for sale so quickly if I hadn't seen her before. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I was thinking about that this morning. I was like, "Oh my God what if I miss like a moment in history?" And I was like the final is probably the moment in history that I need to be like a bit more present for." When will that be next? Sunday It's on Sunday I'm working Lee Are you? Yeah, I'm on the 12:00 to 10:00. I just assumed it was on a 12:10. Do you wanna go back? Yeah. And then I just roll into the pub next door. Oh, I feel so ill. In like it. Whoops. Yeah, just fall through the door. Whoopsie. Anyway, yeah, sorry, we're being so boring. Yes. Talking about football. Yeah. Did we... I did the intro, didn't I? No. We started- Oh, no. We went- I went to do it- and then I realized, you realized it was not recording, and then I started eating crisps. Welcome to Kill The Media podcast. We're here to talk to you about everything spooky-ooky. We are not professionals, and we mean no offense in anything we say. This is just us trying to make sense of the senseless. Without further ado, this week's case is... 2Pac and Biggie Smalls. It was all a dream. It used to be- Worn out magazine worn out magazine. I'm so hyped. Bro, I have been in these two people's lives for so long in the past few weeks. I've literally watched so many documentaries, so many YouTube videos. I know that's like what we do, but there is so much. There is so- I'm gassed. I'm sat. There's so many people. I'm absolutely sat. There's so much lore, there's so much backstory, there's so much history, there's so much drama, there's so much gang violence. There's so much going on, and there's so many famous people. There's so many theories. It is... I've wanted to do this- Like Jada Pinkett Smith. I've wanted to do this for so long that I just... i've definitely missed some stuff. There's... I'm sure like- Oh, there'll always be stuff we miss yeah. I could have gone on about this. I could have just done like my whole own separate episode for s- everyone in this. Yeah. And I am talking about Sean Combs. what is, what's his name? Sean Combs. Sean Combs. Da- Diddy. P. Diddy. P- D- Da- Da. Diddy. yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He did. I'm talking about him a lot. I'm not calling him P. Diddy. Oh, that's Sean Combs. Yeah. Combs. Combs? Combs. Combs. Sean Combs. Yeah. That sounds right. 'Cause it is spelt like Combs, but I always feel like I try and add like a ooh. Like a ooh. Yeah, But he could have his own ep- fucking everyone in this could- just like- Suge Knight. Yeah, Suge Knight. Jesus, they are some absolute hooligans. Even Snoop Dogg, bro. Yeah. Even he, I could write a fucking book. I actually watched, There's no point me telling you 'cause I've completely forgotten what it's called. But it was basically just about the history of hip hop. It was on Netflix. Oh my God, it's amazing. It's so good. Amazing. I know exactly what this is. Absolutely amazing. Where I learned more about s- I wonder what it's got in here like, where I learnt more about h- how each of them... Oh, what the fuck was that called? Do you know what I mean? Like- Yeah how, what their role to play- How it came, yeah and how it came about and oh my God, so good bro, I think I wrote about this in here because I watched that ages ago and I wanted to re-watch that whilst I was doing this because I was like, "I'm just gonna embody every single character" Character every single person that's in this whole story. I'm just gonna get as much information, as much background. I was watching things about Biggie's mom and everything. I was like, "I need to just get as much information as possible so that when I'm explaining all of the side quests that they all go on, I feel like I'm actually really involved." And I was like, "What the fuck was that YouTu- that Netflix thing I watched ages ago?" And I found the name of it and I wrote it in here, but I couldn't find it again. I think it was, like, you had to buy it or something. And I was like, "Oh, stupid." Yeah, I haven't seen it on there. Oh, what was it called? Maybe it was called Bang to the Streets, San Francisco Brooklyn something. I'm trying to say words that are like, maybe would spark something to do with hip hop. I j- have no idea what you're trying to say. Just trying to think of any words that I said. I was like, "Compton, Brooklyn." Just anything that would make me it would spark a memory. Just strap the hell in, guys, 'cause there is a lot, and we might need our notebooks out for this one. I don't know. Yeah. But I assume some people know the basics of this. Yeah, surely. Yeah. If you don't know about Tupac and Biggie, where the fuck have you been? Yeah, exactly. Where did you grow up, guys? Yeah. 'Cause I grew up in fucking Cornwall, and I still know about them. Yeah, and she knows. Yeah, so I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna start... we'll just see where we end up. And if we waffle too much, I might have to do it in two parts. That's fine. 'Cause there is a fricking lot. Okay, so on the... Go away. On the 7th of September 1996 in Las Vegas, hip hop star Tupac Shakur was murdered. Less than one year later, his old friend turned rival, Biggie Smalls, was also murdered on March 9th, 1997 in Los Angeles. My God, they're both so close to me- Yeah being born. I thought you meant in the area, and I was like- No LA. That was really far away. Mad. Yeah. Yeah. That's so true. Just around the time that you were chilling. Just over two years. Ways to make it about me immediately. Yeah, literally. Do you remember at the start when I'd be like, "That's three and a half months- Yeah before my birthday." Their murders were explained because of the rivalry that had grown up between them over the years. When they were younger, Tupac and Biggie were friends. They were climbing the music industry ladder. They were making hip hop music and gaining huge fan following, with Biggie's last album selling over 10 million copies and Tupac's making $80 million in sales the previous year before his death. Yeah. So they were hip hop They were titans of the industr- Yeah industry. Yeah, in peak hip hop time. Yeah. They were, like, the GOATs. However, there is a much darker side to their lives, with gangs, wars, corruption, and violence that would end in both of their deaths. Yeah. So I'm gonna start with Tupac. Tupac Amaru Shakur was born on June the 16th in 1971 in Lesane Parish, Crooks, New York. His parents were both part of the Black Panther Party which was a revolutionary organization founded in 1966 in Oakland, California. The aim of this party was to patrol African American neighborhoods to protect residents from police brutality and promote social change, whilst also supporting and starting community programs. They played a significant role in civil rights movements until its decline in the late '80s. So both of his parents were like... actually, I say both of his parents, but maybe his dad was a little bit less on the scene, maybe. I don't know. What, like the Panthers? In his life. Oh, okay. Tupac's life. Yeah. Around, sorry. But they are both activists. Yeah. And this really shone through Tupac in his career later in life as a lot of his music is based on raw social commentary, racial injustice, poverty and much more. However, I do think due to this kind of upbringing his mom, like his mom was in prison when he was born. She gave birth to him in prison- Yeah due to, She'd made a bomb threat in some area, and then she'd been arrested and had to have him in prison. And I think he had a hard childhood- Yeah because they were, you know- Yeah constantly in and out of prison, constantly rioting, maybe exposing him to things- A bit early far too young. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they were fighting police brutality with violence. Yeah. So a lot of the time- Which Yeah, might be the only way yeah. If you're trying to promote social change- yeah and your words aren't working, and people are getting beaten the shit out of in your neighborhood- and, a- yeah. Then also the reality is if you... It's like today, isn't it? If you're constantly shouting about the fact that things like police brutality do happen very often- as we see constantly. There's only so much a community takes before they retaliate. Yeah. And- Yeah the Black Panthers were a retaliation- Yeah of- Yeah oppression. I feel like as well they're saying "Oh, if that's what you're gonna do, patrolling our streets at night, then we're obviously-" Yeah, then we'll do it too yeah, then we're just gonna have to protect people that- Also, there was a time, and arguably still is a time, where Black bodies are not policed the same as white bo- Yeah They're not- Yeah they're not looked after- Yeah or don't have the same relationship- Yeah or the same faith in, in, policing systems as white communities do. Yeah. So yeah it's very easy to say, "Leave it to the police." But what happens when the police don't care about whether you live or die? Exactly. And that will shine through in this- Yeah that- That's what- episode so much because obviously Tupac and Biggie and hip hop- Yeah a lot of it is talking about that. It's like where people have come from, and what their backgrounds are and how that's affected their life and how they haven't had support and stuff. Yeah. It's also saying "I've been subject to all this violence," and a lot of... even J. Cole's new album, guys one of his songs is Oh, what is it called? I Think I Love Her Again or something like that. And me and George were, like, picking it apart, and it's basically about hip hop and the rise of hip hop around this time, and then how J. Cole fell out of love with it because it can be quite threatening- Yeah and be quite violent, but also it's supposed to be promoting Black artists that are trying to be out there in the streets and just be like, "Look at what we've had to go through." And he was saying that he had a really complicated relationship with it, but he's falling back in love with it. But the whole song's wrote as if it's about a woman. Yeah. And it's really interesting and really fun. But it's just that's why hip hop was so major this time because people were, like, using music to talk about the shit that was going on- Yeah without a failed system. And it was the only, it's the only sort of outlet that people who were not Black were actually listening to. Yeah, exactly. The reason that was going into their music is because it was the only platform- Yeah that people of color had. And I guess as well if the, if this, the Black Panther Party, if people aren't- If people aren't seeing it firsthand, it's probably "Oh, there's these people that are rioting against the police and fighting the police and stuff." And it's yeah, but they're only doing that because they were being attacked first. When you live in a white picket, gated community, it's very easy to say things like, "Why wouldn't, why would you do that to the police?" Like, why would you fight back? I just think that, yeah, y- like that is the biggest issue that we have, like 90% of the time is that you can't, you don't... you can live on the same road as someone and still have a completely different experience. You can live in the same house as someone and still have a completely different experience. So like why do you think that your view, the way things, is the only way that they should be seeing? Yeah. Because imagine, imagine the only thing that ever is supposed to look after you, a system that is supposed to be protective of y- of you, is actually rigged against you. And that is it will just... 'Cause even- Though Tupac and Biggie are so famous by the- their, when they meet their demise, they're still not cared for- No in the same way that a white person would be. If you ever... Also, if you watch things like The 13th, which is one of the most heartbreaking documentaries I've ever watched in my entire life, it is literally about how basically the prison, the US prison system is modern-day slavery. Is a way to enslave Black bodies. And yes, there are white people in prison, but there are far more Black people in prison. And when they did things like put fucking crack into Black communities- Yeah and then make it illegal, created a war on drugs- so that they could imprison them, and then inmates are not allowed to do things like vote. Yeah, it's so fucked. It is absolutely insane. Inhumane as well. It's literally... Yeah. It's just, I feel like this is just a group of people saying, "The only way that we know how to fight back is through the violence that we've been- Mm exposed to our entire lives." And I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not saying I'm surprised. Yeah. Like- And I feel obviously Tupac witnessing all of that stuff from his mom- Yeah it's not her fault really- No because she was being an activist. She was one of the people that was fighting for a change. Also, she was, in her mind, she was probably trying to just make sure that he had a better life. Yeah, better times. Yeah, exactly. But yeah- he ha- did have quite a hard childhood. He was already an influential figure, but after his death when he was just 25 years old, his legacy- Oh my God, he was a baby. His legacy also carried more cultural change and activism post death as well. So yeah it's sparked some conversations. A lot of his lyrics are super violent. Yeah. He was also angry, and that's fair. But I think it's also the case for the Black Panther Party too. It's like it wasn't no peaceful protest. People were just fighting for their lives, and- Yeah he was trying to promote that through his music. So- it's not about, it's not about nice or civil or... It's just that real. Yeah. It was real. Exactly. It, I think that's what people- It was a real man's emotions- Yeah about r- his real feelings about the way that he'd grown up- Yeah about the society that he was living in, and it was just real. 100%, girl. 100%. Oh, in '88 he moved to San Francisco Bay, and in '91 he released his debut album, 2Pacalypse Now. I love it. 2Pacalypse. And this solidified him as a major player in the hip hop rap scene in the West Coast. Then he just starts bashing out music. I think he's finding it really his therapy or whatever, and he's everything he got up to is maybe not that good, but he is a talented soul. A talented very talented soul. Yeah. Yeah, so he starts bashing out music. He's being a man of the town, and his career really spikes. 1996 was when he released his most famous album, All Eyez on Me. There's quite a few bangers in there, guys. Give them a listen to if you haven't listened to it before. Yeah. You should. He also starred in a few films during the '90s, which I actually didn't know that about him. And he also formed the group Thug Life- and collaborated with other hip hop artists around the time such as Snoop Dogg who I think plays the game very well. Yeah. Dr. Dre, abusive fuck and Outlawz, which I actually didn't know who these guys were but I did listen to some of their music and they did release quite a lot of stuff. I do remember some. Yeah. I think my mom was a massive hip hop fan- Really? Yeah back in the day. I my brother's quite a big hip hop fan, and I did grow up with, like- Yeah Tupac, Biggie Smalls, stuff like that. I also love Cypress Hill. Yeah. This always happens because I... Name Cypress Hill, and then I can A tribal quest. Awesome Okay, So basically so just before he created this group, Tupac did have a few crimes that he had been in pri- in and out of prison for. In 1993, he faced gun charges for dropping a gun at an event and killing a six-year-old. Jesus. Yeah. His name is Quade Walker Thiel, the kid. And apparently he did give the family half a million when he gets famous. Obviously that doesn't make up for it, but he genuinely is like- Was like, what- "That was a fucking accident." Bros just be carrying guns around in America. Oh my God. Guys don't carry guns, especially if you don't know how to do things like put the safety on. Yeah, absolutely. Don't carry guns. Wild. yeah. He goes to prison for a bit for that. And then, yeah, gives them half a mil. He was also was actually found to be in self-defense, shot a police officer in the arse- I did know this and nothing happened, which is really interesting. I don't know. But I think it was in self-defense, even though, like- I wanna say... Now, I might be making this up entirely. Go for it. It's better than what I know. But I wanna say it was something to do with an off-duty police officer. Okay Maybe in defense of them harassing- yeah a woman. Okay. I can't remember. I might have made that up entirely, but I feel that I have read something about this before. Interesting. Maybe then, because I've s- was like watching a lot of docs and YouTube videos, and it was just like, "Oh, he shot a police officer in the arse, and then nothing happened. And then he shot a six-year-old kid- Yeah and then barely anything happened Obviously this looks fucking crazy to people that know about him- Yeah that don't know him, because it looks like he is terrifying because he's shooting police officers and he's shooting kids. But I think actually he's just a kid. He's just an absolute- Okay, no. I did make it up, but it says, "Tupac Shakur shot two off-duty police officers in self-defense during a traffic altercation in Atlanta on Halloween 1993 because investigators discovered the officers were intoxicated, acting aggressively, and carrying weapons stolen from an evidence locker." Goodness me. All aggravated assault charges against Tupac were dismissed. Dismissed, yes. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I could have just- Oh yeah read that. He witnessed two off-duty officers harassing a Black motorist and intervened. Oh my God, well done. Yes. I knew I read something about that. I literally... We could just go into ep- like, even that in itself is half an episode- Yeah of what he's done. Yeah, so he shot a police officer in the arse in self-defense. And yeah, nothing happened then either. And then in 1995, he had gone to prison and only served nine months for sexual assault on a female fan named Ayanna Jackson. He claimed consensual, but we will go on to discuss more details about this. The court had enough reason to believe otherwise, so it must have been some evidence to actually go to prison in the '90s for that- For that even if he did end up only serving nine months. So yeah, that's just a few facts about his sort of prison sentence, if the opening so I don't know how I feel about him again now. Yeah, I know. It's so confusing, isn't it? 'Cause obviously, not confusing because at the end of the day he was a shithead. Yeah. He was doing naughty things, but he's a child- Yeah that got famous really fast- Yeah that didn't have a lot of support. And I'm not saying that what he did is okay, but I just feel like even in videos of him just before he dies and stuff, he's still only 25. Yeah. And he is acting like a child. But a violent child. Yeah. Obviously he's making threats and stuff, but he's "I'm a big man. Come ch- come fuck with me." Do you know what I mean? And it's like he j- you just need someone to be like, "Go away for a few years." Yeah. "Calm down. Write some music. C- chill out." It's like Justin Bieber. It is such- Do you know what I mean? Like- such a shame that he couldn't get himself to be, like, more level-headed. And this is the same with Justin Bieber. Like Justin Bieber. But it is because he obviously- No, it is. You're right writes the plot, didn't he? Yeah. It's not a s- not- Oh, I get what you mean saying in a sense. Yeah. But he started getting violent- Yeah and was, like, punching fans and spitting on people and stuff. And, like- You know, went away for a really long time, and like now he's coming back and doing music apparently. Yeah, the girls at work were telling me. But because he sold all of his rights apparently as well. Yeah. What a scandal, guys. I'm learning all of the pop culture references at the minute. But like he had to do that because he was young and in- Well- this whole like- Yeah, that's what happens when you're young and in, in... You just get into that industry, and like people take advantage of you, and- Yeah it's it's so insane. I just feel like he just wasn't having anyone being like, "Calm down." He was just having people be like, "Take this gun to this barbecue." Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And like you're getting famous. You get famous, and when you're famous that means clout, and that means like protection- Yeah and that means danger, and you can get in on all of this like drama. It- and he was just like all here for it, instead of anyone being like, "You're still just a kid. Let's just give you a bit of... I don't know." Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, obviously it's not fine. Yeah. So he's mad famous on the streets at the moment because what other people are hearing is that he kills kids, rapes women, and shoots police officers, and he's still knocking about the town- Yeah without any kind of slap on the wrist. Which is fucking wild. Yeah, so he's... This is where we're gonna leave him for a little second and then talk about Biggie Smalls' background. But yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah. He's terrifying and still super young and unhinged- Yeah basically. So Biggie Smalls. He was born on the 21st of May in 1972 in Brooklyn, New York, under the name Christopher George Latore Wallace. But people know him as either the No- Notorious B.I.G.- Yeah or Biggie Smalls. His parents were Jamaican. His mom was a teacher, and his dad- Whoop, whoop was a welder and politician. Wow. Yeah, crazy. He grew up in the Clinton Hill area of Brooklyn, which was heavily controlled by drug dealing and knife crime, et cetera, which is where a lot of his inspiration in his later work came from. However, there is a little bit of controversy in his lyrics because although he did struggle and lived in a rough area, he did go to private school. Yeah, I did know that. Which, yeah it's just I just think he still was exposed to troubles and stuff- Yeah and it's just whatever. Yeah. But a lot of people are like... there are yeah, the bit where he says, "Birthdays were the worst days, now we sh- sip champagne when we're thirsty." Yeah. It rattled a few fans, I think, because he wasn't poor growing up. Yeah. His parents were- He was middle class yeah, he was middle class. He was middle class. And he did go to a private school, and it's just some of his lyrics are about the dangers that he was exposed to. And o- obviously, he was exposed to a lot of shit, and he gets shot and dies. Yeah. He had it hard, but yeah, I think some people are a bit like, "Don't culturally-" Appropriate appropriate." Yeah, being poor. That he's poor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's just not really, it's n- yeah. That's probably a good question. And I guess that's kinda like trauma trumps, like- Exactly pain top trumps with trauma. I don't know if that's fair to say because someone went to private school they don't understand- Yeah our lives. And I think that's why it's a controversy as opposed to I don't think he is culturally appropriating, but the things like, "Birthdays were the worst days," those kind of sentences. Instead of saying "I saw loads of knife crime and there was gang wars- Yeah and like turf wars everywhere and I was having a hard time." It's like that's, like he's saying, "I used to be really poor and now I'm really rich." Yeah, and you're like, "You weren't though." And it's but that part's not really- Yeah true. So I think that's just slight- slightly... it's fucking rap. Yeah. People overdo it. Yeah. He- look at Drake. Yeah. Yeah. Like- And also, bro literally dropped out of private school because he became mates with the likes of Jay-Z and stuff and got into gang crime- Yeah and street crime. Yeah, he might have... I- it just all depends. He was still in that world. It's not, yeah, it's not linear. You can end up going s- any kind of path, no matter what's happened to you. I just feel like some lyrics, people were like... Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So he actually got caught selling crack at 17, and he was arrested for nine months. When he started making music, Biggie was actually the first artist to sign with Sean Combs I've put in brackets the worst person ever. I hate him. P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, whatever the fuck you wanna call him. Disgusting gremlin. Yeah. That's what I'm calling him. A legend. So he's the first artist to sign with him. I'm not even sure he is a legend anymore, is he? No. He's surely not. He- I think he's been... he wasn't- Well- convicted on all of it. Yeah. Which shut up. Yeah. And Jay-Z is "Ring." That could be its whole own- Yeah we'll get there one day. Yeah. Yeah, so he had a records company called Bad Boy Records- Yeah in 1993. And Biggie, he was doing lots of guest appearances with other hip hop artists, and he was making loads of collabs and stuff. His debut album, Ready to Die, came out in 1994, which included some of his most popular music. And in 1995, he was named rapper of the year at the Billboard Music Awards and got massive after that. And we will come back to this awards ceremony later as well. Yeah but if you're not gonna watch anything that I recommend or any docs or anything because this gives you enough information, just watch him freestyle on YouTube. Yeah. Because it is just th- like madness. Mad talented bro. We used to listen to Biggie in our music lessons like all the time. Oh, that's so fun. I didn't. Yeah. We used to play Jason Mraz. Yeah. On the piano. But literally, I... If this doesn't tell you everything you need to know, Gangsta's Paradise is the only thing I can play on piano. Yeah, that's so funny. I love it. Yeah, I just love it. I do love some hip hop, guys. I might listen to some on the way home. No, I can't for a while. I've just been very- I've been down this rabbit hole far too long. So during his second album in '95 was when Biggie got heavily involved in the growing East Coast, West Coast rivalry. Hip hop. Rivalry, which we will go on to talk about. And this is what started Tupac and Biggie's feud. We are into the feud and their deaths, but after Biggie Smalls was killed in '96, six months after in March '97, his album Life After Death was released to the public as it was soon to be released when he died. This solidified his name as it was post mystery- Yeah and it was so closely tied to everything that had happened to these artists in the last year. So this basically makes these two artists absolutely huge in the hip hop world with theories up the wazoo and knowledge that some people like some people today that are alive know what happened and some people think that they are still alive. Yeah. Yeah. No- more Tupac than Biggie. Yeah. Yeah. It is just Tupac, really. I never really hear about him- Yeah Biggie being still alive. Yeah. There are some theories about, like, why people think Tupac's alive, and we'll get there, and it's just a bit... I love it. Fascinating. So Biggie. Biggie. Biggie used to open for Tupac back in the day of their careers taking off. And there's video evidence of them getting along and hugging and stuff, and they did used to be, like, kind of good mates. There was a few people involved in the hip hop drug scene around then. So Eazy-E, Dr. Dre, Biggie, Tupac, Ice Cube- Yeah And more. And they all used to run the areas around Compton, California, LA, whatevs. This is also where the group NWA originated with a few- of these people, which are the Straight Outta Compton. We won't be we won't be letting you know what that stands for. Yeah. I'm just... Yeah- Yeah that's that. With a few... Yeah, this is the people that sing- Yeah. Straight outta Compton. Straight- Crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube. Ice Cube. Yeah. So some of these geezers are Ice-T, for example. Their early work was anti-gang, which is really interesting as they've grown up, up in areas where they've seen it all, and then they all change. Yeah. And I put, "And die." And die. Yeah. So it's like at the start they're like, "Don't- We want- protect your family." We wanna live. Yeah. "Chill out with the gangs." And then people are like, "You make good music. Do you wanna join my gang?" And they're like, "Yeah, I'll join your gang." Yeah. Join your gang. And then they just all start shooting each other, so it does get, it's quite sad. So during all of this, as I mentioned earlier, police brutality is really high around these areas at the time. So a lot of groups were retaliating and releasing music about how the LAPD and other police departments were racist and letting down communities. A famous example is being Rodney... So Rodney King- Yeah was an unarmed Black man brutally beaten by the LAPD in '91 for- Which kicked off a lot of the riots quote, "resisting arrest." Yeah. This attack was filmed and sent to a news station. Obviously, this sent people into a fucking frenzy. Yeah. And a trial did happen, but all four officers were acquitted. Unsurprising. All four officers were acquitted. Yeah, which is fucking unsurprising, but also just heartbreaking and just fucking stupid. So yeah, people were scared, and people were pissed, and a lot of people were putting that through their music, but also that's where a lot of riots were kicking off. Yeah. A lot of people were kicking off, and everyone was just terrified- Scared for their lives and, the LAPD were pissed off at people for making music, were pissed off at people for rioting. But it's also like you have to show that if people do things like that, they have to be punished for it. I swear in the documentary that there's one when they're talking about NWA, and they're talking about a gig that they're supposed to be doing. And there's one song. I know what song you're referring to. Yeah. I think this bit. And it gets them shut down- yeah for performing it. And- They... Honestly, so many of them. I think Ice-T and stuff got in real shit- yeah with the LAPD because he was just being like, "You're racist." Yeah. And then the LAPD were like, "We were leaving you alone until now, but don't call us racist." Yeah. And then it's just "But you are." But you are. And it's we're talking about all this violence that happens all the time. Yeah. And you're not doing anything about that. And then we talk about how you're shit, and we don't trust you. And now you're mad, and you're shutting down gigs that we're doing. Yeah. Which is also really annoyingly why no one finds... no one actually cares about working out what's happened to any of them. Yeah. Because it's until people theorize that the LAPD did it to shut people up- Yeah that's the only time that the LAPD start doing anything. Anything. And it's that is literal proof that- Yeah it's a racist society. What more do you need? That you only actually care about famous Black people- When people are pointing the gun. Yeah, they do literally... Exactly. Just the second it's "Oh if you're not doing anything about it, then maybe it was a cover-up." And they're like, "No, we'll solve it." Yeah. "We'll solve it." We'll give it a go. Yeah. Yeah. We can solve it. And then they just basically solved it. Yeah. And then they just stopped caring again. Ha. Yeah, so- Rodney King actually did a television plea to stop the riots, and that's how bad it got, and over 50 people died in this. Yeah. Also during this time was the infamous Bloods versus- Crips Crips street gang wars. Which also could be its own episode. Yes, it could. So I'll just do a little brief overview. This gang, these gangs formed in the late '60s/early '70s. And it was more or less turf wars but with serious repercussions. This included drug and sex trafficking with no crossovers of the invisible boundaries that resulted in fights and death. Yeah. There was a time where Bloods wore red clothing adopting their name, and the Crips wore blue. I think the Crips were founded first as a neighborhood protection and the Bloods retaliated to their methods of violence around the neighborhoods, but then reacted with more violence, and it sparked this whole timeline- Yeah of turf wars. Just becomes a fucking self-perpetuating cycle, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. That was still present in the '90s to the East and West Coast feuds. It's so sad that they started off with the best intentions of protecting neighborhoods and stuff. Yeah. And it's I guess if, if- And then you're now the ones bringing in- Like, trafficking and drugs and stuff- yeah into your communities. And I get it. Like- It's like you're saying, "I wanna protect my neighborhood" everybody needs to fucking hustle. You need to make some money. You gotta support your family. I do... I get that. I really do. But, like- But why are you saying "Oh, I wanna pr- I'm, I've started this group because I wanna protect my family and I wanna protect my neighborhood," and then someone sells drugs in your neighborhood and you kill them? Yeah. It's what? Yeah. What? It's so difficult, isn't it? Because it's it's been a build-up. If y- if police brutality is happening every single day in your neighborhood, the only way you know how to react to that is with violence- Yeah, with violence because you're exposed to it every single day. Yeah. I just feel like there's never a good way of saying, "Oh, I'm just trying to protect my family," when you're k- killing someone else's family- Yeah as well. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's such a difficult one. But yeah. You get the motivator, but y- it still doesn't help. It's not gonna help. Yeah. And the fact that that's been, like, this huge thing going on right up until the '90s and later where... obviously police brutality and racism is still happening today, but the actual specific, like Bloods and Crips, like that's been going on for 30- Yeah 40 years at this point. And, there's still people that you cannot touch and the places that you cannot go- yeah if you were born in a certain area. And it's like that's just, you're exposed to that from the minute you're born. There's no escaping that. Everyone has to be involved in it somehow. And I guess that's why it carries on for so long because you can't choose to not be part of that. No. No. It's everywhere. It's a turf war. You are where you're born. Also you know nothing else. If you've got siblings, if you've got parents like you're just naturally in that line of passing it on throughout- And these are communities where your parents aren't really around because they're working so much. Or or maybe they are around, or maybe they're addicted to something or- they're communities where struggle is part of the every single day. So it's never a surprise when young boys and girls decide to turn to the people. The only, like... The only idols they have are those who either got out- Yeah by doing things like rapping and whatever- or those who made their environment their bitch, which is the people who start, like helped with the drugs and the violence and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, what else would you aspire to if you were a kid who knew nothing but struggle? Yeah, exactly. 100%. Yeah, 100%. And also there's, like, all of these stories, isn't there? It's like the episode of Derry Girls where the Catholics meet the Pros- Protestants, and then they are, like, almost telling each other things that they've been, it's been drilled into them to believe about each other. Each other, yeah. There's something else that I'm really thinking of- Oh, it's Jojo Rabbit- Yes where he meets... So he's obsessed with Hitler- Yeah and he's obsessed with Germans, and then he meets the Jewish girl that's in the attic. Yeah. And he's "Where are your horns? And where are your this, and where are your that?" It's it's been drilled into people's brains to think that these people are, like, monsters and- Yeah terrible people. But people just think that either way. Yeah. And it's and then she says something like where's your," I don't know, devil? I don't know. Yeah. Something like that. "Why don't you look like a monster either?" "Why don't you... Do you do this, and do you eat this at night?" Or whatever. And it's like these things that are just have just been constantly fed to you your whole life. So if you're a kid and you're like, "Oh, I know that I can't talk to those people because they're part of the Crips," it's like- Yeah that's just forever, it's gonna be a really long time for- E- except for them with them and with turf wars, it's just, it's on sight, isn't it? Yeah. And someone gets hurt. Yeah, and you're watching people stab people and stuff. You're never- Yeah gonna be able to escape that unless you get real lucky and get out. Yeah, so correct me if I'm wrong on any of that, 'cause I feel like I should just do a whole episode of that bit as well. So the start of the end of this beef really was with a man named Haitian Jack. Tupac started working with him during his time in the film industry where he was starting to work with big names. Apparently a while before this, Biggie, amongst others, had warned him about Haitian Jack and said that he was bad news. Anyway, Tupac was not listening. And maybe he was intoxicated by his street cred- Yeah and charisma and stuff, and being like, "Oh, I could be like him one day." So after meeting him, he became more involved in gang violence, and this is also when he went to prison for the assault. Yeah. Actually the first time that they'd met... so this is back to Ayanna. Yeah. And this- so the first time that these two had met, apparently they had sex, and then the second time, Ayanna said that Tupac let a bunch of guys into the room whilst they were hanging out, including this Haitian Jack guy, which people think that he influenced that- yeah Tupac to do that. And apparently they gang-raped her. Anyway, Haitian Jack didn't get the same shit that Tupac did for this even though Tupac only got nine months anyway. Yeah. But Tupac was now convinced that his mate, quote, unquote, had ratted him out. Haitian Jack? Yeah. Okay. So he'd said, "Oh, if I tell you that it's true," or whatever. Yeah. Maybe. Then I'll get less time. Yeah. And he'd basically gone into prison and just really worked himself up that he'd been fucked over and he'd been set up. God, he's got such bad anger issues, hasn't he? I know. I know. And I can just imagine him just in there just completely- Seething seething, yeah. And he doesn't really have a lot of support. No one's going and checking in on him. They've just thrown him into a cell for nine months- Yeah and he comes out livid. Yeah obviously another thing is one of the main street gang rules are, like, once a rat, always a rat type thing. Yeah. And that you should never snake out your bro or whatever. Snitches get stitches. Exactly. So just before prison, Tupac was doing some music stuff in a studio in New York. He featured on a single with Lil Sean. Yeah. Lil Sean. Lil Sean. And before he's going into prison for this assault, he's featuring on a single with Lil Shawn and he was recording when, in this like area that they're recording in a group of men dressed in camo, apparently giving Brooklyn energy, so he assumed it would be Biggie- Biggie and his crew. They came up to Tupac basically whilst he was, like, in the studio or whatever, and one of them pulled a gun and Tu- Tupac then claims he was shot by them five times. Apparently, one of those shots was actually Tupac pulling his own gun and shooting himself. Tupac really needs to stop with this gun. In the leg. And this is why he just sounds like a lost child- Yeah that is just doing scatty stuff, that potentially has anger issues or ADHD or something, and someone needs to just rein him the fuck in. Someone needs to take that gun away. Yeah, honestly. So then they robbed him apparently, and then they ran. So they ran off, and then he managed to get to the lift, Tupac did, and he ran into apparently Biggie, Sean Combs, and one of Haitian Jack's men. And according to Tupac, they looked shocked and guilty probably shocked 'cause someone that's just been Shot- five times five times is up and running about. Yeah. But yeah, fair. But like also, I can't tell you what- Yeah actually happened. So he made it to hospital, but the next day he went to prison for assault. So he literally, the last day before he went in for nine months and was just sat there seething, he thought Haitian Jack had snaked him out. He thought that Biggie had like- Set him up maybe warned Haitian Jack warned Tupac about hanging out with him, and then side collabed with him, fucked him over, shot him five, five times, four times. Mugged him off, and then he'd just gone to prison for this set up. Oh my God. Do you know what? I actually think that Tupac could have really done with some mental health support. Honestly, he had no support at all, and he's just And then he comes out, like, when he does get out, he just starts hanging out with the wrong people that are really encouraging this beef. Yeah. And I just think if he'd just had one person in his life... 'Cause obviously by this point, like B Smalls is like a bit of a wind-up merchant, I think. So I think- Yeah he just kinda thinks it's a bit lol, yeah. Also there's cred, there's street cred and the reality is men, especially at this time are not a part of the hip hop community, are not really gonna g- Biggie's not gonna go to Tupac and be like, "Listen, babe- I never did any of those things." I know. "We're friends." Can't have that. I wouldn't want that. And like he's "I told you not to hang out with Haitian Jack. Yeah, I'm hanging out with one of his men, but it's because he's threatening and scary- Yeah and I told you not to get on the wrong side of him, which you did, and you- But also gang raped someone. Like- But also you were doing that this time six months ago." He might have done it. There is also- Yeah the g- the, a distinct possibility that Biggie was involved. I reckon he was there. Yeah. But I reckon he was just like, "I can't be like, 'No, I didn't do that.'" Yeah. 'Cause then they'd just shoot him. Yeah anyway. He goes off to prison for nine months with the last memory of mates trying to kill him. He accused Biggie of trying to have him killed, and apparently the people he was in prison with people had links, and they were confirming these suspicions and being like, "Oh, everyone's talking on the outside, and Biggie's running around saying that he did it." That he did it. Then this is when Biggie released the song whilst Tupac was in prison called Who Shot Ya? Yeah. That I did know about. Yeah. So this is when little lad Suge Knight enters and he is a huge player in gang wars and- He, one, I'd like to say, is one of the only ones that is still alive- Yeah and very influential. Yeah. And also he's- Do you know his real name? Terrifying, no. Marion. Is it? Marion. Yes, he is still alive. He's in prison, but he is- Oh, he's in prison? Yeah, he goes to prison later on for something else random, like maybe he killed someone in a car crash or something Yes, I did. No, did I know that? I don't know if I did. Is that him? Anyway, he's still- God, there's so many people in this he's still incredibly influential. But he is terrifying. Yeah, he's terrif- Suge Knight is very terrifying beefy lad. Yeah. And he is on- If you're listening to this- He is... Yeah you didn't do it. Yeah. He's end game. I, I remember watching a B.I.G., Tupac documentary- yeah and thinking to myself, "If Suge Knight had never got involved-" Is it the one that he's in? Yeah, probably. Oh my God, that is so unhinged by that guy. If Suge Knight had never got involved, I feel that it maybe wouldn't have escalated to where it escalated to. No, 100% not. I think he wanted it to go the way it went. No, he wanted- And he influenced- If he... Yeah everything. Nick Broomfield? I watched the documentary with him. He's just like this weirdo little reporter that just gets really involved. But the doc is so weird, and it's really heavily hammering in on one of the police officers on the case. Maybe he was the lead on the case for a while. But he's super convinced that the LAPD did it, and just that documentary. Don't watch that one if you're gonna watch it because it was just like, it's just weird. It's bonkers. Suge Knight is in it- Yeah and it is scary. No, that's not the one I'm thinking of. But he's one that's like chasing everyone around, and then he goes and like- Yeah and it just, I just feel like he spends a lot of time on the theory of the LAPD doing it instead of on the- I think the one- the facts of what's going on so Marion Knight. Too funny. He was from Compton, like Eazy-E and Snoop Dogg, et cetera, but he was in his own realm of messed up. He was in the original Mob Piru, who were an East Side gang that were originally associated with the Crips, but then their alliance fell through, and they joined smaller gangs that actually made the alliance the Bloods. So he's just been- Everywhere he just loves the violence. Do you know what I mean? He's here for, like- Yeah the kingpin energy- yeah type of whole thing. And he's been down that rabbit hole for quite some time. There's stories of him threatening people for rights to music, dangling people off balconies, hiring people to kill people, all of that stuff. He owned Death Row Records- Yeah and he was running the publishing albums for Dr. Dre and other hip hop artists. They had threatened and fucked off Eazy-E in the process of this. So Dr. Dre had used Suge Knight to get what he wanted, and that had split up everyone's friendship. It's a wild ride. So the Bloods and the Crips weren't the main beef here really anymore. It was more hip hop- Yeah violence now, but there is still a lot of war. Which is the East and West. Yeah, so East Coast was Biggie, Sean Combs, Wu-Tang Clan, Nas, Jay-Z, A Tribe Called Quest. West Coast was Dr. Dre, Tupac, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, Snoop Dogg. Although Snoop Dogg I feel like is just mid-range through everything. He's just such a- Floating fucking, yeah. He's just- He's just like- He's such a cheeky fuck. We're all fucking friends, yeah. He just comes out of bed like- Get that man "Oh, I'll do it." Get that man. We're all still friends, yeah. Yeah. Drop it like it's hot, bro. Yeah. It's a boy's delight. Yeah, literally. He's literally a boy's delight. Because he is literally Switzerland in everything. He's such a little s- sneaky... He's... But I he's done some crazy shit- Yeah so I don't really respect it. Respect is the wrong word, but, like- Yeah I'm, like, I'm impressed with- Yeah how he's- With his game with his game. I can recognize his game. Yeah. He knows how to play the game. Nate Dogg and Warren G, which is the ones that sing, "Regulator." "It was a cold black night, a cold black... Warren G was on the street trying to consume." I love that song. And Cypress Hill. Yeah. So that's sort of- Where if you're writing this down, that's what you need to write down to understand who's East, who's West Them the gang. Yeah. Biggie East, Tupac West. Suge Knight was West Coast because he'd moved to Bloods, so at this point it's just like who fucking hates who and who can make the most money. Apparently Suge had a cousin that got shot in Atlanta, and Suge thought that the fault lay at Sean Combs's door. So whether he shot him or gave the order or s- I don't know what had gone on Yeah, what the involvement there was but Suge Knight hated him for it, and all hell broke loose between these two record companies. So it was like their own version of the Bloods and the Crips, of it just being more like- Death Row versus Bad Boy Yeah, Bad Boy Yeah. Diabolical. Honestly, it's just like, how is this real? Yeah. I was... We were doing the research last night. It's not a film It's just so crazy that's actually just real life it's actually been going on. Yeah, so due to the LAPD being pissed at hip hop artists for saying, "Fuck the police," they didn't really investigate too- Oh, that's what it was. That's what they got shut down for. Fuck the police. Fuck the police. Fuck, fuck the police fuck the police. Yeah. Yeah So basically they were just really kicking off of that. He... They were just like, "Oh, fuck off." And then Tupac was saying in prison, "Biggie's gonna try to kill me. He's shot me. He's trying to kill me. It's Biggie, and it's Haitian Jack, and I know these people, and I'm, like, fuming." And everyone in prison is "Yeah, it was." And he's "When I get out, I'm gonna do some damage." And the LAPD are like, "Yeah, we don't care. You slagged us off." "We don't care. We don't care that you got shot five times." Five times. We don't care that you're making threats about when you get out of here." You're gonna- "We don't care that you've literally gang raped someone and you're only in for nine months and you're saying when you get out you're gonna kill someone." Yeah. "We don't care that you've- Set off your own gun multiple times. You've killed a child." Yeah "You've shot a police officer." We don't care that Biggie then released a song- You shot yourself literally saying who shot ya. Yeah You. You. You shot yourself, and now we're not gonna take it very seriously about whether or not you're gonna fucking go out there and try to kill Biggie. Yeah, it's so mad. Yeah, they didn't investigate any allegations. And they just left him in there to fester. Do you know what? I hate them. The police? Yeah. Yeah, fuck the police. I fucking hate them. I just hate them deeply. Yeah. Sorry, we're talking about the American pigs. Yeah. But for the rivalry, Suge Knight and Dr. Dre cared big time about this. So they bailed him out of prison for $3 million on the condition that he joined their Death Row Records instead of any other, and the- The other condition was that they produce- he produces three albums in, within that record company for them. So that's why he gets out after nine months. He gets out with a vengeance, and he starts recording, but he's also losing it a little bit. He literally records 67 tracks in 11 months. Jesus. Yeah. He's got a lot to say. Biggie was, at the time, denying the whole thing, and he's just so chill. In interviews he's just "Yeah, man." He says in one of them, "I'd like an apology. I thought we were friends." And then D-Bag's running around "I'll fucking kill him. He's gonna die. I'm gonna kill him. He's literally tried to shoot me, fake ass motherfucker." Literally running around, and he's just "I thought we were friends." I thought that was- That's who he's mad about. Literally. So each record company were fighting at events. They were trying to get different people to join them at a political debate, but just stone cold burns against each other basically. And every time there was, like, a music event where someone was winning an award they'd just get up and be like, "Fuck East Coast." "Fuck this," "Fuck this record label." Meh. And everyone would... except Biggie. He's just such a chill guy. I don't know. I don't know. You can all have your own opinions on this. No, I don't. Yeah. I know, he sounds like a cutie. He does sound like a cutie, to be fair. But, like- And to be fair, he's he went to prison for selling crack, but that's it really. Yeah. And he might have been there for the shooting of his friend, but I feel like you can't really be like- Don't shoot him with the way that Tupac's going right now, I feel it's pretty Yeah straightforward. I know. And to be fair, maybe he was like, "Don't get involved in the Haitian Jack," and then he did, and he was like that's it." I told you not to, didn't I?" "I tried to support you." "And now you're mad at me." Yeah literally. "What have I done?" So chaotic. So on the side, this group of labs, lads- this group of lads were going and threatening people, asking for home addresses, fighting, making people drink urine spitting at fans, trying to be like, "Me." And- On the West Coast side. Just all of them. Oh, all of them. Yeah, so all of them- Sorry were just sort of- Everybody's doing that. Yeah, it was mainly, Who's making who drink piss? I think they'd gone to threaten someone- And they make them drink piss. And I think that was Suge Knight and Tupac. That was their s- like their side was a lot. That inherently does feel like something them two would do. Yeah. They were the ones that were doing like a lot w- I say worse. There was violence everywhere, but I feel like Biggie and all were just like, "Let's make some music." Whereas like Suge Knight was like you record 67 tracks in 11 months, and then let's go out and dangle someone off a 10-story balcony," yeah. This is where the diss tracks come in though. So Suge did not care about Biggie and Tupac's beef, I don't think. But I think he was using it to bring down Bad Boy Records- Yeah and to get vengeance for his cousin which would in turn make him like the biggest and the baddest in the game, in the hip hop scene, in the music industry, but also threatening wise. In general. You wouldn't wanna fuck with him if he managed to bring down, Bad Boy Bad Boys. So in one of Tupac's diss tracks, even though all the diss tracks had started to take like a violent and threatening turn this I wrote this all down to see if I wanted to read it. But this is gonna sound so wrong coming out of my mouth, but I'm gonna do it. So there was a quote from Tupac's song Hit 'Em Up that says, "I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker." Yeah. Which is literally what Tom was just- Yeah singing to me downstairs. "Fuck you and your motherfucking mama. We're gonna kill you all, motherfuckers. Now, when I came out, I told you it was just about Biggie. Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherfucking opinion. This is how we gonna do this. Fuck Mobb Deep, fuck Biggie, fuck Bad Boy as a staff record label and as a motherfucking crew. And if you wanna be down with Bad Boy, then fuck you too." Couldn't be any more on- No. I think that, Who do you think they're talking- The nuance of that is that they're mad- at Bad Boy. And if you didn't get it Try a bit harder Yeah. I was literally writing and I was like, "How dare they talk about me?" Yeah, that's so fucking- So I Fucked Your Bitch is him saying that he had sex with Biggie's wife. I think they were married at the time. Yes, they were. So in the video as well, he's dressed as Biggie. Biggie. He's dressed as, with the big chains- Yeah and like the kind of like shell suit vibe. Like the very, like Brooklyn, I don't know. Yeah, chaos. Chaos. He's just really gone in there and been like- Do you know what? Nobody feuds like that anymore. I know. That is the only thing I will say- Yeah is that like- I'm here for it. Like I'm living- We're not getting real beef. Yeah. I'm living for the drama. And I don't want people to get murdered. No. I do want... You know what, actually, you know what? You know what the closest we've had to it is Drake and Kendrick. Yeah. Yeah. Like actual diss tracks. Yeah. And to be fair, Kendrick wiped the fucking motherfucking floor with Drake, but like that is the closest to- Or If Me- public beef like that I Am Into The Beef. Coming in hard, but I'm watching Sophie. There's literally not... Like the fact that he's literally saying, "I'm gonna kill all of you, like fuck you." I'm gonna kill you. I fucked your fucking wife and I'm gonna kill you. Yeah, literally. And anyone else that says anything and wants to be down with Bad Boy, then fuck you 'cause we're coming for you as well. It's like I bet Suge Knight's literally sat back watching his kid just pop off. Pop off. He's giving like curtain from this country. Just you know when he's like trying to be like a big man- Yeah and he's just like running around scatting out and it's he- Suge Knight's probably just watching "Oh my God, they might just kill each other." Yeah. And I don't think he cares. No. And he's just "That would... Could just go down an absolute delight." Yeah. Great publicity. Yeah. So this is when the claims that Tupac was sleeping with Biggie's wife started which in turn fueled the fire even more. Tupac walked down the red carpet with her to make sure that he knew- sorry. Sorry. I think they were maybe like splitting up or something. Okay. But she... So basically she... He offered her £25,000 to collab on a song with him. Her name's Faith. And- Faith Evans? Yes. Yeah. I know Faith Evans. Okay. But I didn't know that she walked the red carpet with Tupac Yeah. So I think he was, like, trying to rub it in. And because they'd- Yeah, okay collabed on the song together, maybe he was like, "Oh, we should..." I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what she was up to at this time, but yeah. So then s- so she accepted it, and then he made her go and get the money at his hotel room. He said, "If you take it and join our record label, you're my bitch." Then he asked her to perform oral sex on him, and she says that she left. He says that she didn't, and he, quote, unquote, "fucked your bitch." And Biggie in an interview is literally like... That's so disrespectful that you're talking about- My God Yeah. I think obviously he's not like- I love him but he's just he's "Don't be disrespectful towards yourself." Don't fuck my bitch- Yeah. and call her a bitch. Yeah, literally. I love that. Yeah. I really love that. Absolutely wild. He would've been so funny. Yeah. I just feel like he's just like, all of this shit- He would've loved it here he's probably just watching him like, "Maybe." Yeah. If you did. If you didn't. Don't disrespect it. I guess if they are separating, then maybe he doesn't really care anymore. Yeah. I know. Chaos. So that night that they, that he walked round, down the red carpet, they both... Oh, no, not the same one, sorry. They also both won awards one night at the Soul Train Awards, and they were in the same room. Tupac was shouting about, "Fuck the East Coast," and all of this stuff, but again, Biggie's just "Thanks for the award. I'll see you later." So I think what's happening is that he's not retaliating, and it's making Tupac- Tupac angrier so angry. Oh, it's so icky, isn't it? I know, yeah. It's oh, my God, Tupac, grow up. I know, and I feel so sad because he just doesn't really get the chance to grow up- Yeah and he never had that chance. He doesn't get a chance. But at the same time everything he does- Ah every time I'm, like, watching videos of him, I'm just like, "Oh my-" yeah, so on September the 7th, 1996, Suge Knight and Tupac are at the Mike Tyson fight. Who's also a piece of shit. Yes. Fuck him. And there's a video... There is video evidence of them hugging Tyson and congratulating him as he walked out to one of Tupac's songs, which is a huge deal back then. So when Tupac is walking through the casino prior to this fight, there's actually footage of one of Suge Knight's Piru men telling him that there's a Crip nearby that's watching. This man's name is Orlando Anderson, who is known as Baby Lando. Okay. I will not be calling him that either. Now, Orlando Anderson had actually stolen a Death Row medallion off someone in retaliation to Tupac kicking off at the awards. They'd seen him in a a public area or something, and just, like, all jumped him and stolen it. So this guy, he is in a group of Crips and the nephew of Big Boy Boss Man Crip, Keffe D- Okay Who is not anything to do with hip-hop- Yeah but he is one of the kingpin- Big, big, yeah leaders in the Crips. So there's also been rumors that Sean Combs has asked for a medallion from Death Row and would pay a lot to get one as a fuck you. Yeah. So they're making their own links, and that's really pissing off Suge Knight, basically. So once Tupac realizes who this was at the casino, he literally just runs at him, and it's on CCTV, and he just starts beating the shit out of him and just kicking him and stuff. Suge Knight saw this and actually ran over and joined in, but this idiot was already on patrol for one of his other millions of crimes, so this- Parole backfired. What did I say? Patrol. Patrol. He's already on patrol for one of his- He's patrolling. Parole. He was already on parole- Yeah for one of his other millions of crimes, and this backfired on him really quickly. But hey, or did it? Or did it? So they run out and head to Club 662 after they've fucking hugged- Jumped this guy Mike Tyson. Jumped some guy, hugged Mike Tyson, and then just ran off to this club. It's called Club 662 because on a phone it spells mob, and it's a pyro-owned club. So that, that's like where everyone goes to be like, "We're in a gang, hehe." On the way there, a white Cadillac sped up to them and a Glock comes out the window and shot the BMW that they were in 13 times. Both men were shot and taken to hospital. Apparently Tupac said to Suge Knight, "You're the one who got shot in the head. I'm fine." So he'd been shot like in the side of the head and was convinced that Suge Knight was the one that they needed to be worried about. Yeah. When they got to the hospital, he was put into a medically induced coma, and six days later he died. Suge Knight only had a graze to the scalp, even though there was 13- 13 shots. Yes. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah although his parole terms meant that he was sentenced to nine years in prison for assault on Orlando. Suge Knight. Yeah. Apparently literally everyone, like even Biggie, is like- What the fuck "We did not think he was gonna die. We genuinely... he's been shot before." Yeah. He was... Yeah, he was shot a lot, but he's been shot before. We thought he'd make it through. He's shot- That's 50, isn't it? Yeah. Like just shot nine times. Yeah. And then you're like, "That's insane." I love him. He is someone I love. Aw. Is he a baddie as well? Oh, he's massive right-wing- Oh my God, no piece of shit. For fuck's sake. Yeah, I know. I know. I give up on all of them. And I... But also it's great because how much he hates Sean Combs. Yeah. It- I just feel like he's just- You wanna be on his side, but he is fucking right-wing piece of shit Oh, that sucks. I didn't know that. I don't know that much about him, to be fair. Yeah. But he does just make me fucking- I think if he wasn't I would be like, "I'm all about 50." Yeah, because he really does make me crazy. I fucking love him. I love the way that he he gets at people. I love that he makes people bite. I love that he- Yeah the way that he gets into his faces. Bro's mouthy. Didn't he do something fucking mad right after he was shot and he's basically "I'm fucking back, bitches." Yeah. And then didn't he make a TV show? Yeah. Did you watch that? He made a documentary. It sh- the TV- No. He ma- he was in a TV show that he'd directed- Oh, I don't know that movie about g- gang violence and stuff, or about maybe a club that was doing something illegal on the side. I can't remember. Yeah. But he's just done loads of mad shit. That's so annoying that he's right-wing. Yeah. They all suck. Yeah. But oh, he is great. I think he's quite a big Trump supporter. Oh, for fuck off. You... I almost liked him, mate. I know. It's a shame. Yeah, that's so annoying. He had potential. They just always always let me down. Yeah. Every single person I'm like- That's men for you "Love." Yeah. Then I'll just find out something really annoying about them. Yeah, so Obviously the LAPD didn't do fuck all about this. They were just like, "Oh no, he's been shot." And Suge Knight refused to interview even though everyone thinks that he knows, knew more than he's letting, than he's letting on. But the LAPD are just like, "Yeah, okay. It's fine. You can just not. You can just not." Yeah. But yes, he died. Everyone thought he was gonna be fine. He was not fine, but it still took six days of him being in hospital and people just thinking he was gonna come out. Which I also thought was rogue. I thought he was, like, shot on site died on site. Yeah, I think I always thought that. I knew his car was shot- yeah so many times. And I actually have the vivid the crime scene- Yeah photos in my head from the documentary. Yep. And I've even watched the documentary and I didn't realize that he didn't die straight away. Yeah, just but it was only through me deep diving into stuff, like obviously writing every single note- Yeah that I was like, six days later in the hospital? Jesus Just doesn't feel very street. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Him just like, all of these little... I don't know. He's just... Yeah. And yeah, he did some fucked up stuff, guys, but he was a literal child. He was a child. He was just a bab that just really needed, yeah, a therapist or some meds or- a decent- I don't know parental figure. Yeah, exactly. Just someone, and not someone like Suge Knight being like- Yaking it up "I can turn you into something amazing." It's so annoying because actually if what had happened is that Biggie and Tupac got together- it feels like Biggie- Ooh. It feels like Biggie was the kind of calm- He turned into a little fat pig that Tupac needed. Because they used to get along and stuff, and I feel like maybe Biggie was just like, "I'm more about the music." But he just sounds like Tupac sounds volatile. Or Biggie is just smarter at the game. Yeah. Because Tupac was just "I fucked your bitch. What can... This is crazy." So outwardly angry. Yeah. "I'm gonna kill you," and someone was probably like, "I'm not waiting to find out if that's true or not," someone. Sean. Sean. Sean. But do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's... It's just if you kinda keep your head down. Snoop Dogg's kept his freaking head down- He kept his fucking head way down that's the whole thing. And there's like loads of theories about how he must be like a rat. Yeah, so funny. Anyway, that's where my part one was complete. Wow. It's been joyous. It has. Yeah. There's a lot going on and a lot of names and like- It's mad 'cause you're gonna have to do a recap now. I know, yeah. 'Cause when, I don't think we're gonna be able to do part two 'cause we've got to do the edit, yeah, that's so true. I think part two's gonna be a, maybe a week later. Yeah. I've put... Do you guys know if we went through both these laddies' lives? We could. I don't know how, what time you wanna get here on Saturday, but we could maybe try to do them on Saturday. Yes. I was gonna bring Kelly. Oh. But I could bring her and then she could just hang out with us Cool. Thank you for listening. Follow us on Instagram, email us, do all of that stuff. And we'll see you very soon we'll see you next week.