Morbid Mondays - Episode 37 - The Pope on Trial Pre Show

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Oh my god, it's crazy ass week.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Literally, literally. I didn't realize how packed my weekend was until like I was I was talking to my friend Jen. Cause she was like, So what's your weekend look like? Because it sounded like she wanted to write. And I was like, I would love to. Unfortunately, I'm doing everything.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Friday is my mother's birthday, Saturday is DD, Sunday is my mother's birthday party.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

All fucking weekend in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

And she's got a cat.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Oh yeah. Yeah. A brand new kitten. That the cat distribution system finally found my mother.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Yep. You got a cat. I did similar, uh, not with the birthdays and stuff, but we went to um D it was DD. I'm in the middle of inventory. And then it was we went to go see a Lok do stand-up, which was great. And then like then I went to work that night.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Oh my God. Did you sleep at all?

SPEAKER_01 0:56

No, I've been awake since five o'clock yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Yeah, I'm I am I am I am I like God. No. No.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Oh my god. Oh my god. Speaking of, speaking of it. Speaking of God, yes, it's relevant. I swear. For the first time in my life, I got to, I I'm I'm so proud of myself because like you know how you have childhood heroes, right? Yeah. Well, one of mine was Indiana Jones.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Which should explain a lot about me.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

And we were talking with with my with with Donna, with my mom. And she was she was talking about how it was her pet peeve when people don't capitalize God when it when ref when referring to it in a religious connotation, I presume. And she's like, you should just capitalize good capitalize the G. And my partner goes, okay, but why? Explain it to me. Like what is what is bringing on this fit of ire? She's like, well, it's a name.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

It's a proper noun, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

To which I responded, but Jehovah starts with an I. I have never seen a pillow launched at my face so fast. In Latin.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Some people still say I hear all the time, and they're like, well, you know, they spell it the four-letter word. You know, like they spell it like that because you're not supposed to spell out the name of God. And I was like, no, Hebrew doesn't have vowels. That's why we don't know how to say shit in like ancient Aramaic and and like, well, not Aramaic, but like old, old, old Hebrew. Is that like we don't there's no vowels, so you you have to do a lot of context work to figure out how to say shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

But anyway, that was that was that was like the crowning moment of of my weekend.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

That's great. From from the the the one that I never saw. I saw like the very end of it where they're looking for the holy grail.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Yeah. Yeah it's the one with Sean Connery in it.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah. I can't watch him in anything without him hearing, like without me hearing him audibly say, Where's pussy? like that. I can't do it because of the fucking James Bond. Pussy galore. What a fucking oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

What a wild name.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

I'm so glad that like my introduction to Sean Connery possibly was that movie.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Now that I think about it, because like I like I I know that he did James Bond first, obviously. But my introduction to him was Indiana Jones' dad. And then I went back and watched, you know, everything else.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Well, well, that league came much, much later.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Like I was in high school when League of Extraordinary Gentlemen came out, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

It did get the story of Dorian Gray like hella wrong. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Although it did introduce me to Stuart Townsend, and thank you.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Thank you for that. Also, thank you, fucking Queen of the Damned, for Lestat, uh, Stuart Townsend, because that lives in my mind as peak.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

He's still, I will say this, like it's rare because I don't actually like a lot of Tom Cruise movies. I did like the last samurai a lot. Historically, garbage. Absolute garbage. But man, did it look cool. Um, they don't dishonor themselves with guns. So I was like, well, they have been for the last like 300 years. All right, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Yeah. So but I did really like him as Lestat.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Like, I know it's not as interview with the vampire was good. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Because he was scary as fuck. Yeah. He nailed the like viciousness of it. I was like, yikes, man.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

You are we okay. Every depiction of Lestat that we have gotten so far has been some facet of correct for Lestat. Yeah. Now it is my personal opinion that Sam Reed is doing the best job right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Because I've heard it's amazing. It is. It is a fucking fever dream of the Vampire Stat. Like, I went back when and like when they when they initially announced that the next season of Interview with a Vampire was going to be The Vampireless Dat slash Queen of the Damned. So I went back and reread it all. And by reread it, I mean I listened to an audiobook while I was crocheting.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Because ADHD Brain must multitask. Uh and then the show came out, and I was I I wasn't necessarily expecting a a like you know one-for-one recreation of the book itself because that's not something that you can really do.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Well, you could.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

You could, but it it would be rated not well. It's on table. You could do it.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Well received. Let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

It was like Valeria was on Netflix, and that shit was wild.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

It was like a sex scene in every single, like but uh I am I am deeply, deeply enjoying this this rendition of what ever is happening, because I it's it is it's fantastic. It is so difficult to explain without giving away spoilers to those who haven't read it or don't understand what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yeah. I I Do you know what like the best one of the to me one of the best scenes of like any any like not to bring back the Tom Cruise thing, but like any Oh no, please do the the scene that always sticks of of almost any vampire thing I've ever watched. Excuse me. That tapping sound is a cat behind me. Um there's um there's a scene, an interview with the vampire, where he goes to uh he goes, I think he's in New Orleans or he's somewhere, but he sees the vampire Armand and they're doing that play where they like kill a woman on stage.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Oh, hello.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

And uh and it's like vampires pretending to be actors pretending to be vampires. Yeah. And they are de vampir. Yeah, they they and they execute uh what is her name, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Uh well, okay, there's there there are several instances of the the show, the production itself, where they claim a victim on stage in front of all of the humans and pass it off as a show, and then later on there is the execution execution scene where where Claudia and Claudia, that's her name.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

But that is Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

And it's Louie's like vengeance scene where he's in the theater covering everything with lamp oil, and he's holding a fucking scythe at one point. And I'm Oh yeah, Brad Paul. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Yes. They carried that through into the new one, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

That's a great scene.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Season two of Interview with a vampire got real.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Because I didn't realize I was dating a girl in high school that was really into the book series. And I saw it before I dated her, but then she explained to me that it was like if Armand wanted to stop him, he could have a hundred percent easily because Armand was so old at that point, and on top of that, he'd been created by Marius. Yeah, he was like super powerful.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah, Armand is crazy, stupid, powerful, like, especially in the book, too.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Yeah, that that's what she she had the book, and she read a couple of passages where he was like meeting vampires from other parts of the world, and it was kind of like semi-implied that he was not entirely afraid of the sun at times, and then like Yeah, Armand has has uh higher tolerance to the sun even before uh stuff happens.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Um, no spoilers.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

It was crazy that she read a couple of things, and it was like, Oh, you have like special powers and shit.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Yeah, most of the vampires do. They all that a lot of them get like individual gifts.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah, that's what uh Lestat in the in the movie talks about that that he can like sense evil through like his sense of taste and smell, and like like that yeah, you're you taste better if you're a bad person. And I was like, Well, that's like a devil, but like but also a real nifty thing for your conscience, yeah. Of just like, if you want, but it also makes him a worse guy because you're just like you are naturally inclined to kill bad people, and yet like I am not gonna sit here and try to like I don't know moralize Lestat planify Lestat to to borrow from Gelinda.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Yeah uh because like there is uh Lestat Lestat is traumatized. Yeah. Let me just let me just start with that. Like, as a human, the suck.

unknown 10:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

His transformation, the suck. His first couple, his first few months as a vampire, the suck.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Like it's just bad. Just bad all the way around.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Yeah, his mother slash Yeah, that Gabrielle is complicated. Yeah, that was the whole thing. But also, like, yeah, they can't die. So it's like, what do you things get weird, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Uh yeah, like even, dude, even reading it the first time. I love that this has just turned into and rights. Even reading through it the first time, like as a as a relatively young teenager, I would say, like, I I came across these. I I was I I didn't have the the like the visceral revulsion to what was going on between Lestat and Gabrielle because like very early on, it's kind of established that the the transformation changes you.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Yeah, you're not as he like talks to Louis when he's doing it, he's like, you are like dying. You are dead. Like, like you die.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

And yeah, like part of the transition itself is like one of the reasons it is so kind of traumatizing and horrifying is because your body is ejecting everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Everything that you have ever eaten, like you you are your your body is evacuating all of it.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah, I always understood it. I think this is maybe why the twilight thing didn't bother me as much.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Um which part of the twilight thing?

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Um the the sparkly skin thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Oh, the stone skin?

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Yeah, because that's how I read it. People are like the the movie they showed them as like being covered in fuck glitter. But like I understood it as because the book describes it as having skin like granite or marble. Yeah. And I was like, that's why they're pale, they're basically made of like calcium. And so I was just like, alright, or like crystal. And I was like, all right, that's why they're shimmering like that. Because like there are some animals that exist like this that that have like mineral deposits in their skin.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Yeah, the uh giant sloths had like uh keratin deposit in their skin. And the the uh the conquistadors, when they showed up around, I guess what is now Patagonia. Um uh what is it called? Um yeah, yeah, Patagonia. Uh they they claimed to have met one of these things and tried to trade with it, and they didn't know what it was was. One of them shot it with a crossbow and the crossbow bowl bounced off. I remember like a large crossbow is made to puncture armor. Yeah. So like and they tested this on a show on like Discovery Channel years later where they had one. These things are long extinct, but they had a skin that they were willing to test uh because a lot of them were preserved by the Inca. So in their like high altitude tombs, they didn't rot. So they've got a bunch of these skins. And and they they had it on a little stand and they shot it and the bolt bounced off. And I was like, this is plausible.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

It's not probably not true, but plausible that like they saw one of these or a guy wearing one of these suits, like you might like the Chinese wore rhino armor. And I was like, that's really cool. But it it kind of like that's how I read the Edward Cullen thing. It was like, all right, you've got like stone skin.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

So I feel like I need to confess that I I think I read the first two, one and a half of the Twilight books because one of my littlest sisters, Sam, was uh was was absolutely like I don't want to say obsessed because I don't want to insult her.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

No, but like this was the it book.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yeah, and my my partner's little sister was also reading them, and so like all of all of the young people that were important to me at the time when Twilight was huge were reading it. Was reading it, were reading it anyway. Yeah, but and so I was like, okay, let me I I would like to have have conversations with them with things that they are passionate about. Let me at least try to understand this. Dear God.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

I made it about as far as you did.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

I slogged through the first book and I tried for the second one. I got about halfway before I just could not do it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

It's not even the world building, it's the fact that you're hearing it in Bella's voice. That's what did it for me, anyways, is that her her monologue is very what it is. She is a highly traumatized teenage girl, and you're hearing it in that voice, and you're just like, Yeah, alright. Yeah, it was like that it and like with the suicidal ideation and everything. And I'm just like, alright, I can't. This is like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

I I I did not I did not finish them ever, and I still have not. And I in this the I am I am I am the person that took my little sister and like a whole gaggle of her friends to like the midnight premiere of the movie. I was the cool big sister, and I just boy, I sat in that theater and watched that movie with them, and I was just like, mmm, it's like okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

It's like listening to Fourth Wing, but there's no sex. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Fourth wing without the sex would be fine though. Yeah, because you still have yeah, you still have dynamic characters, yeah. Like I friggin' there is there is at least I can find no fault with any of those characters, with the exception of Dane, who I want to punch in the mouth on the regular just because he's Dane, shut the fuck up!

SPEAKER_01 15:49

He's so straight-laced, dude. So you have you you dislike Dane sometimes. I so now that I'm current in the books, I don't dislike Zayd Ryerson as much. In the first book, I fucking hated him, but I'm supposed to. You're reading it through Violet's eyes, so you're just like, you know, like I get it, and I was just like, man, this motherfucker's angsty.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

He gave her the best nickname, though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Violence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

And turns out, like, yeah, to her core.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, like can you blame her?

SPEAKER_01 16:23

And it's although I'm a book behind. Oh, so I won't say anything.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I don't mind spoilers, but she she grows a lot as a character. You understand him a lot more. He still makes stupid, angsty decisions.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

You know, I'm still mad at him for like the end of the third part.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he doesn't get better.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Of course not. No, he's I still love him, but I once again he needs a good slap across face.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

But boy, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 16:47

All of the side characters get a lot of like they are the five-man band. Yeah. Where like you're like, all right, you've got, yeah, we we need you all here. You've got, yeah. Everybody's got a different personality. You meet your lancer.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

And she's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

And like Is it is it is it Griffin Girl?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Yes!

SPEAKER_01 17:07

She is a hundred percent like, I'm a snarky bitch over here on the side, but I've like getting shit done. It's the it's the one that she doesn't like really get along with.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yeah, it's like and there's Satan's former fiance.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's really uh it's it's real good. I don't want to spoil too much on that. If anybody listens to this and hasn't read them, they're very good. Get past the first book. The first book is a little bit Nazi-ish because it's supposed to be it's a bad government. Yeah, and like yeah, in the way that like it's intentional. Yeah, in the way like the world of Katniss Everdeen is a bit Nazi.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Oh, the Hunger Games were so good. I got into an absolute argument with my other half over the Hunger Games.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Of whether they were good or not, or what?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

He okay, so he has this thing where like if it's popular, he doesn't like it automatically until it is no longer popular, and then he'll give it a chance.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

And the Hunger Games got so big so fast and stayed so big and so relevant for so long, he is convinced that they are garbage.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

No, they're great.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

They are fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

I mean, they're not it's not the fucking Odyssey, right? Like, I mean, like it's it's a YA novel.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Yeah, it's a young adult novel.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

And it's it is But it's still really good, very politically revel relevant, has a lot to say.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

The author came out with a new book because of what of current events.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

She still has shit to say.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

The world has a functioning economic system that is purposefully non-functional because it's Rome.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

The world of Pan M is I I I cannot express to you how like heated this argument got to the point where I was about to start getting like mean and offensive with him.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

And then I caught myself and I was like, do not attack him.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Just because he's wrong. But calm down, walk away.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

But punk rock to the core to the extent of I can't like it if it's I love him so much.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

I occasionally just want to hit him with a chair. I never will.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

They're they're really good books, and also for the love of God, this is what I liked about this is what actually drew drew me to the books. Fantasy novels of all kind. The big, super powerful hero always has a sword and no shield, and that is a terrible combination of weapons.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

A good archer is dangerous as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

I like if I had to pick a person on my team to fight with, a person that could hit a squirrel in the eye, a hundred percent who I'm picking.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Look, one hundred percent. And in the books, she's like, everybody, she's trying to get other people to like her friend because he's strong, or PETA, right? And then she hits that thing. She gets mad, she hits the target in the dead center, and everyone takes notice because the big muscular warrior guy can't do shit about somebody fucking sniping his ass to the wall.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Well, and my favorite thing for PETA specifically was that Pete, yeah, sure, PETA did well in most of the things.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

But what did PETA excel at?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Fucking camel camouflage. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

So he is not the powerhouse in that in that relationship.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

No end quote. In fact, it well it kind of played a little bit with like relationship and gender night dynamics a little bit because he like he was a massively strong guy, but who he was as a person decorator. Yeah, he was an like he wanted to be an artist. Yeah, he didn't want to be fucking Alan A. Dale from Robin Hood throwing around sacks of flour. And so it's like, and because of that, his soft skills were excellent. He could talk to people.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

So he was he was the uh the PA no, PR. There we go. He was the PR dreamboat.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Meanwhile, Katniss can't fucking talk to anyone.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Even though she's super dangerous, but she's got that lone wolf thing going on where she cannot survive because she cannot work with people.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yeah. And it's like that's And also to further attempt to sway our audience to give the Hunger Games a chance. I love, love that the end of Katniss's trilogy didn't didn't necessarily have a happy ending.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Right. And that some of the bad guys, when they broke down, like I forget what her name is, but they're like pan and entourage, not Hamish the lady that he at one point like starts like crying and breaks down, and she can't maintain the facade of happy, I love the empire so much.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

And it's like, yeah, because everyone's asleep.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Even the people at the top. No one can assess it.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

And the fact there were two deaths in that series that took me the fuck out. Like threw my ebook across the room.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Fucking rue.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

I still cry.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Fucking death of innocence, dude.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

That's exactly what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

And it would have been two of them because it was going to be Katniss's sister, not her. So it was going to be two kids dying in the middle of it.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Little kids, like young. And I think that we forget, like, especially coming into these things as adults with like adult point of views. We forget that these books are written as young adult novels. So your protagonist, your main character, is a moody, hormonal, 16-year-old girl.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Are you kidding me? I am a 30. How old am I? Am I 38?

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Something.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

I think I'm 38. I stopped counting.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Uh anyway, I'm a late 30s woman. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

I remember being 14, 15, 16, and just like. I've always had a little bit of an ability to shut my emotions off and stand aside and go, whoa. And I remember having to do that a lot as a teenager. Like, you're about to get mean for no reason. Calm down. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Well, yeah, because you you when you were a kid in your developmental years, right? When you're say from 12 to like 18, you have more HGH in your body than a professional bodybuilder. And I really mean you have like especially as like like young guys when they're like, why is he getting mad for no reason? I was like, because he's fucking roid raging, dude. He's on so much goddamn gear. Yeah. And naturally, like your body is producing so much because you go from being like a hundred pounds to, in the case of many people, about double that.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

In the span of a couple of years. Like if you could put on that much muscle as an athlete at any time in your adult profession, it would be incredible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

That like to to expect, like as an adult now, the the the level of patience that we don't have for teenagers specifically.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Boggles my like it it blew my mind as a teenager myself, who like was exceptionally blessed to have a very medical upbringing.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

So I knew what was going on.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

But how many people don't know what's going on? And all they know is that they are angry all the time.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Or don't have any space to have like alone time. Yes. Because you see that in a lot of like like cities, right? And they're like, well, in inner cities, depression is typically a little higher, all that kind of stuff, right? And you're like, yeah, they don't have any space to get away. Yeah. There's no processing time. And the the thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

And that is something you you absolutely need to be a functional human.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yeah. You've you've gotta have it a little at least, right? And then on top of all that, this is what I think never ever gets mentioned. And I think it ties into what we're talking about with the books, because we're talking about like vampire stuff and like the world of Pan Am where like kids are dying.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

At some point when you're a kid, you have the thought for the first time and realize it. Because little kids are all narcissists, they don't have any, you know what I mean? Yeah, they don't think about anything else. So, but at some point, and I think this is like the first lock-in of like maturity, at some point you figure out you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

That hit me. The realization of morality.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Or mortality.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

I know exactly when it hit mine because I was in my kitchen in here in Texas. I was like with the house we lived in, uh not too far from here, and uh I I had to ask my mom about it. And I was just like, hey, am I gonna like die? Like, and I remember because I was like, I was like eight, and I like it just struck me all of a sudden, and I was like, I think that's so integral to YA novels that it helps them process, especially in like, because we have a kind of a puritanical culture, it helps them process romance and lust and death, and in the case of Pan M, racism. You know what I mean? Like that comes up in the books, and you're just like, yeah, man, like the speaking of that moment of when you realize your mortality.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

I mine was a little weird because mine was also one of those moments of hold the phone, what is religion? Uh, because mine was coupled with, am I going to die? And then my family going, no, the rapture will take you. You'll be fine. And I was like, the rapture. What? Yeah. Followed by religious all of that. And that was about, I was probably roughly about the same age.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

That's usually what because you start asking questions.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

And I was just like, so you have a time tape because I was informed that the rapture was going to happen in the year 2000.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Oh, excellent.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

So I was like, okay, cool. So I have a deadline of which my life is going to my life as I I know and recognize it is going to end, but I'm not going to die. But we are all going to be taken, bodies and all, all up into heaven, and everything will be paradise and hunky-dory.

unknown 27:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

And what does that even mean?

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Right?

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Now I have to construct this entire worldview of what that would even be like.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

And then by definition, you cannot describe it.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Because it is supposed to be perfect.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

That that was about the time that I started getting trouble, getting in trouble in like Sunday school for like reading ahead in the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

Yeah, fuck, you try to figure out where you go.

unknown 28:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Like some shit's about to kick off. Listen, I'm a fucking Virgo, okay? That's what I do. I plan.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Um there's a fucking guy and he's got a lion face.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

I don't, dude, and the like the concept of angels or whatever, I think also fucked me up like as an artist. Because I was like, how do I even process what I'm going to see? Especially when they start sentences with be not afraid.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Always. Sir.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

You know?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

You know what's crazy about that whole thing? So we always say like biblically accurate angels, and it's always nuts. Biblically accurate angles angels. Angles. 45. Yeah. That's right. 33 if you're Ooh. Some people, somebody's gonna get that joke out there. Um biblically accurate angels look like people.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Yes. And in every story, it's like, and three men showed up, and you know, like it's just Well, that's that's that's that like to not to not not to hijack this particular section of the conversation, but to relate it into terms that my like young preteening teenage brain decided to translate that into is that it's that's that's the glamour that they wear when they're in human when they're on.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

That's how I always kind of understood it too. It's just like, here's a form where you won't freak the fuck out of everyone. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

See how many okay, speaking from this is this is gonna go on forever if you let me. So like I'm gonna rein myself in here. But speaking from a religious perspective, how many crazy people weren't fucking crazy if they were seeing actual angels? Dude, look, so many people got tossed into well, okay. First of all, so many people got tossed into asylums for no reason just because.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

But so many people got like labeled nuts and tossed away forever because they were maybe seeing angels who were just cruising around on earth because that's apparently a thing that angels just do sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

So I have almost like the opposite perspective. Oh, I wonder how many people in history that founded various religions were absolutely fucking crazy. Yeah, like who were seeing shit. And or so here's one of my favorite stories from history, and I've no idea if it's true or not. Uh huh. Never really done any serious things about this, and the guys that wrote it down were all Spaniards and they were conquistadors. So I don't know if this is true at all. Big ass trist. But a common myth is that when the ships of like the you know, like the Spanish ships showed up in South America, especially in Mexico, um, that when the Aztecs laid eyes on them, they couldn't fully perceive the ships because they had never seen anything remotely like it. And so in their worldview, it looked like a ship with like clouds on it. They couldn't really get what the grasp what they were seeing. That sounds very colonial to me because like, you know, I'd never seen a Roomba before, and then I saw a Roomba and I was like, what the fuck is that? But I didn't think it was Sentient talkie puck. Yeah, I didn't right. I didn't think it was like a you know, like a like a fucking pie or anything. You know, like I just it's a thing I can't describe, but what the fuck is that? But essentially what they said is it was so wildly different than anything they had ever seen before that they could not place it. Like their their brains kind of skipped. And while I think that might be possible, I don't fully buy the story, but it is one of my favorite like little things that anybody's ever written about. And I always wonder I think there are times where, especially in the ancient world, where a natural phenomenon happens and you have no fucking idea how to describe it. Like imagine you're in the Saudi Arabian desert and a methane pocket from the oil reserves bursts into flame. So you're like walking through the desert and a literal pillar of fire stretches to the heavens.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Well, I mean, on that note, like you have what happened with Pompeii. Yeah, what do you how do you, you know, like if if it weren't because the Romans It's Pompeii, Herculaneum, and then like one city off a coast way the fuck far away, is like, and suddenly it's night in the middle of the day.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

What?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

It's a sign from the gods. Ah, and then, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Yeah. And then everything gets fucking destroyed.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

And then like we we know what we know about those because it was in the Roman period, and the Romans took notes on everything. Yeah, they wrote down everything. And they also, like, a lot of them were religious, but only kind of, you know, like a lot of them seem to not believe the myths that they themselves believe.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

I am inclined to believe that Roman society was more like what the society we have today is.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Like, where like religion is there, and like, you know, the majority of people are like, oh yeah, I qualify as ex.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

I am, I am, I am a Christian. But like only in that, like, this is my belief system, but I'm not like an inquisition anybody.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Yeah, like how we some sometimes say, like, uh, like some of our friends that are Jewish say, like, I'm culturally Jewish. Yeah. Meaning that they're not necessarily they don't completely buy into the actual faith of it, but they do like participate. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Like, no, speaking of Jews, I learned what a phylactery was the other day beyond outside of like a lich connotation. Is there another meaning that I'm about to it is it is they used to be little prayer boxes.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yes. I was just like Right?

SPEAKER_00 33:49

You jumped straight to Lich with it too?

SPEAKER_01 33:50

I of course. I'm a D D nerd. I went right to Lich.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

That's what I did, because I was reading, and you as one does, because occasionally, you know, your research topic rabbit holes, and you suddenly find yourself reading about something that's not what you're supposed to be researching, which is how I got there.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

What we have one of the ones with like the small, tiny, rolled up for a scrolls. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

That that's and apparently people used to wear them like on their chests or on their foreheads, which is which is how and why uh I as somebody bless you.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

At your feet. Just kidding. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Um worship in private came about.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Oh, yeah, the the uh forced conversion of Jewish people in Spain that that I was woefully unaware of for a little while. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Where I was like I also learned about something that I was woefully underway unaware of, and I am considering doing it for a topic, but I'm wondering if it's a little like A too soon and B too dark.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Charlie Kirk? I don't know. Shh. What's that?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Uh the con the concept of comfort women.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Oh god. Yeah, Japan, Imperial Japan. Yep, yeah, very dark.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Very dark. And I was Yeah, um that that is an ongoing thing that has never fully been apologized for.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Yeah, that's I was informed of that uh actually on Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Yeah. You're not getting that from Takaichi, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

The current prime minister is not about to. Yeah, that's not true.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Probably not.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Maybe the one after, but um yeah. Mood killer, right? Well, it's just like God, God, God. It's weird. It's very weird because the Japanese imperial period is so unlike what exists today. But it's one of those things that it comes about because it comes about because in pre-imperial Japan, or even up to modern imperialistic Japan, debt slave prostitution was really normal. It still is a thing. Like, there are still avenues in like major cities where they have like in old school movies, there's those like wooden barred, almost look like jail cells that people are looking at women from the street. So they the way that they look now is almost like uh, you know how you walk past the department store and there's like a window with a model with clothes? It's like that. Yeah. It's in a couple of streets. I was watching a guy walk by, and it's like in the middle of the night, and you're not supposed to know what's there, and all kinds of shit. And it but it's like the there's there are there's legalized prostitution called soap lands in Japan, even today. So it's like it was a weird thing, but like it came out of the shit that kind of already existed in the culture, plus racism, plus imperialism, and it was just like, God, this is like the worst fucking trifecta of anything.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Yeah, I've I've only done like surface level research on it, like after I was told about it, because I made a comment that apparently came off as referring to it. And this is this is why, this is why I thank God that like you know my friends know that they can be honest with me and correct my shit. Uh I appreciate that because please educate me if I do not know. But I made a comment and I was directed towards that and like very, very gently corrected. I was like, first of all, I had no idea that what any of this was, so thank you for telling me. Second of all, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Yeah, it was awful. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Yeah, it it's a weird, like apparently, when you tell all the young men in a country, hey, when you graduate high school, you have to register for the armed services, and but and and by doing this, because you're serving the emperor, you will be like a samurai that was in their propaganda, even though they didn't have samurai anymore. They killed that climate, like Meiji. Emperor Meiji killed that all. But like it it just built this horrible machine that that was incredibly effective. Like it we think of it as Americans. We think of the Pacific Theater of World War II as like this crazy shootout with a bunch of fucking aircraft carriers and this gradual victory and the bombing of Tokyo, you know, like all this stuff. So many people died.

unknown 38:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

You know, it was like if you look at what their full theater of war was was happening, it was Japan versus China, Russia, Britain, all of it. So New Zealand, Australia, uh, and the the Indian force, also India. And it's like they were troops, they were fighting everywhere. And it's like, god damn, like they rolled into Southeast Asia with the world's best fighter plane and just mopped fucking everyone. And they had already, we talked about this in a previous episode, they had already beaten Russia.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So like they didn't have they had a stronghold in what is now like they called it Manchuko, but it's Manchuria now, like the part of a section of China in Mongolia. Um they had at the time they owned Sakhalin Island, which uh was in our Yukiyomishima episode, his like great uncle or whatever. They had a part of what is now Russia, they had a part of what is now China, they had a you know, like fuck, dude. I mean, like it was, and they had they had dug into every island. So America couldn't simply go anywhere. They had to go from island to island to island. Had they had a larger military, that would not have been possible. They literally they had this strategy called hit them where they ain't. So they would hit an island and then hit a random island. And the reason why is because if they went down the chain, they would take all the troops from the back islands and move them up. So we would land, we learned that lesson the hard way in a place called Teroa. So they bombed the shit out of one of these islands, like shelled it from a naval, like from long guns, forever, hit it with planes, all the shit. We landed and at a place they literally call Beach Red. They landed in Tarawa, and then like all these guys jumped up from fucking underground and pillboxes with heavy machine guns.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

And loss.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yeah, it was just like, I mean, they still took the island, but like heavy losses. Jesus. Because people didn't take the Japanese seriously. If you look at like old propaganda stuff, it's like when they show the Germans, they're these crazy jacked except for Hitler. They showed Hitler as a goofy dude in the cartoons, but when they showed like the SS, they look like fucking nightmares. And then when they showed the Japanese, they always showed them with round glasses and buck teeth, and they were four feet tall and all this shit. And then they got over there and it's like, oh, these guys are insane. Yeah. Like they will charge you, they will charge a machine gun nest with a bayonet that is three feet long because they don't have any more bullets, and this is basically a spear now. There are stories of officers getting killed by guys jumping from trees with katanas.

SPEAKER_00 41:34

Dude, that's wild.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Tooth and nail. Like, they started using shotguns because they had to walk through these tall, like, elephant and salt grass places on the island and they had to react very quickly and shoot. So they used these short shotguns because they were just like, well, fuck, we we need stopping power. I need to hit this guy, and he just goes down.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

The very least stunning power.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Yeah, it was crazy shit, but like the atrocities are numerous.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

It's not only to comfort women, it's the death marches, it's the bridge construction.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

Dude, it's wild.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah. There there are tons of stories of beheadings and there was a guy, I want to say it was in the Philippines, but like they were dropping leaflets to this guy to be like the world's over. Like the world war is over. Japan lost, the emperor surrendered. And basically he went like it was him and like five guys, and then some of them finally got captured. And it ended up with just one guy in the woods. Because he was like, the Emperor would never surrender. That would never happen. This is propaganda. And he was like stealing fucking cattle and shit in the middle of the night. He fought for like 20 years after the war ended.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

My God.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

When they finally found him, he looked like a fucking caveman. Like he was stealing clothes and shit. And they finally got his ass. A couple of guys died over the years, and he just like that's that's what you were dealing with. Like the spirit of these guys is kind of nuts.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

You're just like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 43:12

You know, like dedication and patriotism is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Even in the post-war period, there was a there's a moment, so there's a lot of Koreans in Japan, and kind of always has been, right? So they had these black markets because they officially they couldn't import anything without the Americans say so. But that's not how government, that's not how things run.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

That's not how the world works.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

And, you know, Japan has had a criminal underworld for like a thousand years. So like guys were smuggling shit in. Koreans were smuggling shit in, everything was getting smuggled back and forth. There was a kind of semi-Korean mafia, and then there was the Yakuza clans, right? And then at some point a bunch of Chinese guys broke in, and there was this very this is something I'm gonna do an episode on.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Please, because this is fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

There was a market riot where the cops, there was like a a tongue or a triad, like a there was a triad kind of thing, like a Chinese gang that moved in. And the cops went like, we can't the the police who are military police for Japan, so they're like, we can't really officially handle this. We don't have like guns and shit, right? So they kind of they were raiding these guys, and then they kind of took a step back and just kind of ignored all the Yakuza guys because they didn't have the numbers. So the Yakuza and the cops fought off a gang that was coming into the country like a cartel, and this culminated in an old Japanese Zeros machine gun being mounted in a fucking building, and when the when the gang came down the road, they opened fire on them with a 20 millimeter machine gun.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

This is insanity.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Broad daylight. And then the cops went, I don't know, I didn't see anything. And they worked out.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

This is giving Sukiyaki Western Django.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

It was crazy. And then like this is all because the cops and the Yakuza are fighting together, and this is all because. Yeah, they're criminals, but there are criminals.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

And it's like it it's so crazy. Oh man. Alright. Yeah, I don't want to go into too much.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

That'll be a prior episode on that because that is fucking fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 45:26

It's like shit.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

How did how did we how did we get to Yakuza from vampires?

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Uh Comfort Women.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Ah, yep, there it is.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Yeah. Yeah. Which is a theme in a lot of like Yakuza movies, actually. It's like the sex trade and yeah. Very sad and unfortunate. If you remember, there was a guy that got jailed, uh, an American streamer who was uh twerking on a statue in Korea. That was a comfort woman statue.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Oh, bro.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

He is jailed in Korea now.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

You know what? I ain't even mad.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

Yep. Fuck him.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

I wasn't really mad to start with, because like, don't, don't disrespect when you're visiting. Yeah, don't you are visiting another country, and as an individual, you are a representative of your country. Don't don't be stupid. Don't be stupid, don't be disrespectful.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

As as I think you've heard me say before, like, if I ever get a chance to go to Kyoto and I see somebody doing pull-ups on a Tory gate, punching you rat in the dick. Hard as I can. I mean, full like little mic from the video game uppercut.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

You know, like please do, because like Jesus Christ. Listen, we're like, as as Americans, we're we're pretty much hated everywhere we go because for the most part, the majority of Americans are assholes.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Yeah, we we are it's it's weird because people say all the time when they meet us that they're like, You you guys are strangely nice. When people come to America, they're like, You're really nice. Everybody's really nice and the food's really good and all that kind of stuff. But abroad, yeah. Because they get the worst of us. That's the they get the entitled you know Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Those of us that are landlocked, listen, we're not that bad. You're just getting the rich assholes and the stupids.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

And I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

We got a great business relationship all over the world. Yeah. Like the present uh administration notwithstanding, but like American businesses are well received in most of the world. But like fuck, dude. Yeah. All the cause they're forced to be professional. It's it's all the it's all the like little Twitch streamers and stuff that are that are making these stupid little videos for Instagram reels and trying to scare people. Like that one dude that was in Korea, Japan. He was in Japan. He was in a uh Kumbini and he kept fucking like dropping noodles on the floor and screaming and shit. I saw a great one.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Why?

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Just to be an asshole. He was it's reaction content.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Oh, I hate that.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

One of my favorite videos I've ever seen on this is a guy was on one of the beaches in Thailand. So there's a couple of beaches, like they're party towns, right? There's a lot of bars, you come up, you buy a girl a drink, talk to him, and like you can establish a relationship with a girl, maybe she's a worker on the side. There's a lot of like, you know, drag clubs and stuff like that on the beach where you just have fun, right? It's it's that's what it is. And he was going through and he kept screaming, and he was like playing pranks on one of these beaches. And his camera's like tilting around, right? And every once in a while, you first you see one guy and he's looking at him funny, and then the camera's tilting around because he's looking all over the place and it's attached to his head.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

And pointing at his face. So like he's going all over like one of those selfie cams. Yeah, but it's it's pretty far away. I know he's got a stick or whatever, but it keeps panning, and he's looked behind him, and everyone and the number of guys is gradually getting larger.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Please tell me they jumped his ass.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

It's all the bouncers from the clubs.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Good.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

A lot of these guys are like former Mui Thai guys.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Because you're in Thailand, right? Like, it's a damn religion there. You know, like, and and I was like, man, and then he starts bolting. I was like, you're gonna die, dude. Like, this is not there's a couple of places in the world you really shouldn't fuck around in. You know, like I I I have this conversation with some of my coworkers and stuff, they're just like, well, because here in America, like our penal system is built very differently. It's built on like punishment largely of things outside of your control. You know, like sometimes it's over like debt or it's over kind of dumb shit. Um over there, in a lot of like a lot of Southeast Asian countries, especially, it's like they don't have the same viewpoint. It's not like it it's it's like you do something stupid you owe the community, yeah. And how you pay the community is whatever we say you're gonna pay them. And like, so it's like like the assholes that go over to Singapore and fuck around is insane to me.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

I don't I personally don't understand going anywhere and pulling bullshit like this. Like you are in someone else's country, you are not home, you are not a native, you do not have any rights in this country. Why you acting a damn fool?

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Yeah, especially since like why would you southern came out?

SPEAKER_00 50:38

Do you hear that?

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Yeah. Why do you think like it's not like you could run away, you don't know where anything is. Yeah, it's not your neighborhood.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

You don't have any connections there. If you get arrested, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

And yeah, and it's like I I'm waiting for the day that some stupid rich asshole that's like a Twitch 19-year-old who's made a million dollars on Twitch goes over and he like fucks around in a soap land in Japan, and then a very polite individual in a black suit with a neck tattoo comes up to him and asked him to politely come with him.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Yeah, yeah. We'll we'll find you in fucking Yokohama, I guess. I was like, bro, it's because some of the guys they do stupid shit, like they go over in China and do that. And I was like, you know what a labor camp is?

SPEAKER_00 51:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

I was like, it's it's ignorance on parade, man. And I'm like, what do you well?

SPEAKER_00 51:33

I mean, that can also tie back into our earlier conversation of you know, teenage brains being soaked in stupid.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

And hell, it's not even up, like it's not even just us, like, because I've seen a couple of like German guys doing this shit, and I was like, oh bro, like, alright. So on that downer. I mean So Katniss Everdee. No, uh, it's uh so we're 52 minutes in.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

Catnus would never.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

Catnus, catnus wouldn't want anything to do with going out. Point blank, period. You want to go where? No.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

I would love to go to all of those places. I looked it up today. There's a water park, and um, because I was like, hey, my dad told me a story about this crazy guy that wanted to build a theme park in the killing fields of Cambodia.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Yeah, he told me, and I was like, my mind was blown. He still has this business card, he was just some nut job. Like, and so like I had to look it up. I was like, did they? The answer is no. They have a uh museum in the killing fields of S21. I keep wanting to call it SR71, that's a Japanese thing. Um so uh of S21, which is the one that we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Like buying a house in the love canal.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Yeah, but you could go, you could go like to a museum and tour the place. But it's done like here's a museum, here's all the people who died, like okay, so it's respectful. Yeah, some people have a lot of criticizing things about it because it's like a tourist thing now, but it's like, yeah, but this is a thing. Like people go there to remember this kind of stuff, right? Like you people go to Auschwitz, there's a place in Auschwitz. And so, um, and and people go to Gettysburg is a major tourist attraction, right? Up to the earth. Yeah, where thousands of people died. So it's like, you know, you get you go to these things. Dark tourism is the thing. People get in people, history buffs like us get yeah, interested in this. The answer is no, there's no theme park in the killing fields. Thank God. However, there are some excellent theme parks in Cambodia, mostly water parks because there's a ton of rivers. And man, they look cool. You can go learn how to do traditional Cambodian dancing. There's a class in one of them.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

They make uh silk out of lotus flowers.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

That's interesting. So I have now I have now recently seen the process of spinning silk.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

Out of like worms?

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Yeah, out of the cocoons.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_00 54:07

It's wild to me.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Like the manufacturing boxes of worms. Yeah. Yeah. That some of which are still like the original wooden ones that they were using like a thousand years ago.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Yeah, it's so cool. That's I've seen it now.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

That's what they were saying about the lotus thing, the lotus fabric, sorry, not silk. Uh, but they were saying that like, yeah, like we're keeping this tradition alive uh because this is one of our like native crafts, and it's like we've been doing this for like over a thousand years, and we're the only people who do it. And I was like, fuck, I want to see that.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Thank you. Thank you. It's not just me that goes on the weird, like dying art, art art artisanal, no, that's not the right word.

SPEAKER_01 54:46

But it is yeah, the the like heritage crafts.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 54:51

I fuck, I would love to see like how the Khmer people were making their their like royal cloth a thousand years ago.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

It's so cool. All right, we have rambled long the fucking off. It's literally an hour.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Yeah. All right. Are we ready?

SPEAKER_00 55:10

I yes, I think so. Okay, we'll catch you in the episode.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Bye.