The Night Stalker : The Richard Ramirez Case

Lock your doors. This episode takes us back to 1985, the year Richard Ramirez turned Southern California into a living nightmare. We’re breaking down the timeline of the Night Stalker—a killer who claimed to be a servant of Satan and showed zero mercy.

We look at the investigation, the blunders that almost let him slip away, and the incredible moment the public took justice into their own hands.

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, terrorized a city by preying on the most vulnerable among us. Today, on True Crime and Other Shit, we refuse to let the darkness of his crimes overshadow the lives that he took. This episode serves as an impact statement for the survivors and the fallen, highlighting the bravery of those who fought back and the community that eventually rose up to claim their streets again. We're diving into the grit and investigation of the shit bag reality of a man who was ultimately no match for a neighborhood who had had enough. I'm your girl Cass, and as usual, that's your what what are you why are you eating? What are you eating?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

I can't have grapes.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Like every every time here lately, you always on some wild shit in the intro. What are you eating?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

I got grapes. I try to be healthy in life.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

I'm very proud of you. That's Eddie, guys, uh, as per usual on his shit. Um man, it has been a crazy ass week. Um, me and Eddie have been going through it, but it doesn't matter because we serve God, and uh we gonna we're gonna be alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Um time keeps on moving.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Amen. Uh so this week, let's go ahead and get into the ooh, I'm sorry, y'all. Get into the uh trigger warnings. Uh this week we are going to be dealing with essay, um, abuse, child abuse, mutilation of a corpse, and also um essay of children. So again, if this is not something that you can stomach, please, we don't ask you to try and sit through it. Uh just go ahead and skip this one. Um, or maybe this isn't the podcast for you. I don't know. Anything to say, Eddie?

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Um, I'll also say Satanism too is in here a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

So yeah, Satanism, if that's a trigger for you, then definitely do not listen to this podcast. Um, but again, the reason that we do this is we tell the story so the victims can have their shine. Um, this isn't to no way highlight any of Richard Ramirez's crimes or make him seem like he's anything great because he was just a fucked up individual who did some fucked up shit. And um I'm I'm sure that Satan is having is doing his big one with him down there. So anyways, are you ready, Eddie?

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Let's get it.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

All right. So this is a lot of information to process, but we're gonna start off here. So Richard Ramirez was born on February 29th, 1960. He was a um a Pisces, for those who care, in El Paso, Texas. He was born to Mercedes and Julian Ramirez. Um so Richard had a really traumatic childhood. Um, I like to get into people's childhoods when we're on this show, especially because, like, you know, our childhood shape us to become the adults that we are today. And his um his childhood was really, really terrible. So his father was a violent alcoholic and he took out a lot of his anger on Richard. Um, he has knocked Richard around, he has knocked Richard unconscious. Uh, he had had severe brain trauma by age six, and by this time your brain hasn't even begun to fully develop. So that um definitely causes issues, and psychologists actually suggest that the uh temporal lobe, um, epilepsy, hypersexuality, and aggressive behavior is what those traumas cause whenever you start getting older. Uh, so the two had traumas that were super significant, um, they happened, of course, very young. At two years old, a dresser fell on him, and a at age five, um, a s a swing knocked him unconscious, and uh then his father had knocked him unconscious again.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

So I say multiple head trauma is gonna do something to you.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah, it's definitely a thing. I think that also we can see the same thing in like Aaron Hernandez when you have so much trauma to the brain, you just start doing shit that maybe you wouldn't have done otherwise. Yeah. Um, but to escape his father's beatings, uh, Ramirez would often sleep in a local cemetery um as a punishment. His father would repeatedly tie him to a cross in the cemetery and leave him there overnight. Which is uh anyway. Um, I was reading a couple of statements by a psychiatrist named Michael Stone. He suggested that Ramirez was very much a made psychopath, which means he wasn't born this way. He would have been a perfectly normal little boy if he wouldn't have uh suffered abuse by the hands of his father. Uh and then also some experts say, but I don't really know how much truth this has, but his mother Mercedes worked in a boot factory, which she was exposed to toxic crim chemicals during her pregnancy with Richard. And some say that like the head trauma combined with that, um, and then combined with the nuclear testing fallout may have caused some sort of issues with him. But I think that head trauma is probably to bring blame for this. Um also anything that could have poisoned a child definitely happened to Ramirez as a child. So by age 10, he was already using drugs. Uh he started smoking marijuana and drinking, eventually, um, and this is at 10, eventually escalating to LSD, and he started using heavy, like heavier drugs and started using cocaine um by the time he was in his late teens. So Ramirez had a cousin. His name was, did you see anything about uh Miguel Valles?

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Some uh heard a little bit about it in the trial, didn't really talk about him though. Like it is kind of like a boom, in there, out there type deal.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

So Miguel also had a huge effect on his cousin's life. Um, so at age 12, uh, Valles came back from Vietnam. Uh he was a green beret in the military, and so he would show Ramirez pictures of things that he had done in Vietnam and show him pictures of things that he has done to women in Vietnam. Um, and and instead of you know being repulsed by those pictures and things like that, Ramirez later admitted that those images did excite him rather than repulse him. And everybody has that big cousin that they look up to, so I think that he wanted to be like um his cousin. So um and then at 13 years old, Ramirez witnessed uh Miguel fatally shoot his wife actually in front of him uh during an argument, and the blood from the shooting actually sprayed onto Ramirez uh uh as a 13-year-old child. And then soon after that, he was labeled a troublemaker, and he dropped out of high school in the ninth grade. Uh so then he continued on this wave, petty crimes, things like that. Um, he became a peeping tom in the neighborhood, and uh him and his brother-in-law, Roberto, they went on excursions to spy on women because they are both pieces of shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

That sounds about right. It sounds about right, especially going on in Vietnam. I hear all the stories about Vietnam where it's like war crimes are very much like looked over. Like it doesn't matter or something like that, especially for Vietnam, um, Iraq war, different things like that.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

But um, it's definitely like super sad that like he was forcing his cousin to be exposed to this as well. I'm like, like, you know, nobody wants to see that, and then you're like forcing your cousin to be exposed to it like you're sick, but especially at a young age. Yeah, like why are you showing a 12-year-old this? Do you not have any friends?

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Probably not. But um, by the time 1977 rolls around, Ramirez is sent to a juvenile detention center for his series of petty crimes in Texas. Um, after getting out, he moved to California in about 1982, and Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Nazareth, whatever you believe. That's where all hell broke loose. Um, so April 10th, 1984, is probably like the first known murder. Um, there was a nine-year-old girl that he actually killed named Mei Ling in San Francisco in a hotel basement. And that was like his first actual crime. This is later after all the other crimes happened, and DNA technology is still developing at this time. So they go back and they're like, wait a second. And then um, then he killed like an older woman who was like 79 years old. I'm like, you know, like what a punk you must be to kill a defenseless child and a defenseless old woman first. You wouldn't try anybody bigger, badder. And you'll start noticing that all of his victims are women who are smaller than him, or also like men who might be older. He never takes on anyone his size, huh?

SPEAKER_01 10:46

So a lot of the ones that I heard about are like uh read about they were just like older grandmas or like you know, older women, anybody pretty much women in their 70s, uh 70s, 80s.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

That was his victim pool.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Yeah, well, like Hispanic descent, or um that's that's pretty much what I seen, and uh he's gonna go into it a little bit about how he did it because um one of the detectives um kind of spoke about it, like um the psychology of what he was doing and everything else, but um wait till we get further down and give a little bit more detail about that.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Okay. Um, so you're gonna help me hear me reference a cooling off period a lot in this because his cooling off period makes no sense whatsoever. Um, usually I'm used to seeing cooling off periods that are like maybe a month, five months, six months, maybe a year, but like there's no pattern to it, and he's very just sporadic, and you can tell that there's like he's just completely just gone off the rails. So this all kicks off um on start St. Patrick's Day, um, March 17th, 1985. Police get a call um and they arrive at a house. I think it was like on I don't think it was like Rosecrans, it was something else. Uh it was somewhere in LA. But they arrive and they see a garage door is open, and they see already that blood spatterings are everywhere, and then there's also an ACDC baseball cap that was left on the ground. Um, and it was Dale Osaki. She was 34 years old and she was lying on the kitchen floor, and she had on a Dodgers jersey, and she also had been shot in the head. So the scene looked like she was hiding behind the counter. She had her hands on the counter like this, and she's hiding from him, and he quite literally waited for her to get up to peep her head out after she didn't hear noise for a while, and then he killed her. I'm like, like that that's just sick. Like, you you literally are just playing a game with somebody's life at this point, and then not even only that, it's like you you again, you don't go in for the altercation because she probably could have took you because he was skinny. She probably could have taken you. You wait and you try and rely on somebody kind of like letting you know their guard down for you to take advantage of them. But um what he what we didn't know at first is like Maria Hernandez was Ozaki's roommate at the time, and she was entering the house, and he banged on the hood of her car to kind of see her face, and she looked shocked, and he put a gun up to her face, and she shielded her hands like this from the gunshot, and she had her key ring on her finger. He shot her, and the bullet ricocheted off of the keys, so she was able to run and get away. And then she heard another shot whenever she was running away, and then she became concerned from her roommate, so she decided to come around to the front door because she was like, Clearly, he'll run out the back. He was walking out the front door, and she gets angry with him because he holds the gun to up to her again, and she said, You already fucking shot me once. Are you gonna really do it again? And he does not take the confrontation, he puts the gun down by his side and he just walks away. Like, that just also goes to show, like, dude was definitely a pussy. But um, 40 minutes after that, police get another call about a mile away. Like, this is what I mean. Like, his cooldown period makes no sense. Usually, after that, and a surviving victim, you're gonna see a serial killer disappear for a while because they're like, okay, let's reconvene and see what I did wrong here.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yeah, like at least a week. Like Brad just said, No, actually, that went back to 40 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

40 minutes. He's back out there and he's doing the same thing. They get a call about a young lady, I think she's about 30 years old, uh, to Psy Lane U. She was 30 years old, and he pulls her out in the middle of the street of her car and just gunned her down with that same 22 caliber um pistol that he's using. Just just out the blue, just doing whatever. You know, like there's no rhyme or reason to it. So the police are like, wow, that's weird, you know, 22 caliber 22 over here, but at this point, the detective Gil, um what was his last name? Gil. I had it written down. Hold on, Gil. Uh Carrillo. Yeah. Car Gil Carillo. He is a detective who's working this case, and he sees both of these cases and he's reviewing them, but he has not even begun to think, like, okay, you know, like this, there's nothing together.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

But see, that's the way I'm kind of like, because one thing I did learn after doing all the podcasts with us, um, I'm confused that they weren't able to put it together because um what we find out is that whenever a gun is shot, that the the bullet, I think when um the last case that we studied on, um, we found out that the bullet has identification, like you can track that the bullet back to the gun. So when they pulled out the bullet from one murder and then a murder uh from the same caliber gun, it should have already shown like it's the same exact gun. Why weren't they able to put it together? You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 16:55

So this is like all still in the same night, the detective. He hasn't even got that far yet. He just sees that there's two 22 caliber weapons that he's seeing a murder, you know, for both of them. Yeah. And then he starts to connect the dots on ten days later, on March 27th, 1985. Not even a full two-week cool-off period. He's already back at it. Uh, cops get a call about a double homicide. Uh Ramirez stood on a 10-gallon paint bucket and climbed through the window of the Zazara home and uh ends up shooting a male, Vincent. Vincent was a um, I think he was like 60 something. I think he was like 64, but still he was asleep on the couch when Ramirez shot him. He didn't choose the altercation, of course. He would just take the easy way out and he shot uh her. I mean, he shot him. And then using that same weapon, uh, he went to go find his wife, uh, Maxine, in the bedroom. And this is a little graphic, so if you are not wanting to hear this, probably like the next like I would say 10 to 15 seconds, just go ahead and fast forward to it. Um, but he stabbed her in the uterus for some reason, and he tied her up and assaulted her, and he cut her eyes out and took the eyes with him.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Trouble, trouble, man, trouble, man.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Sick. Um, so to me, that says like a couple of things. Number one, the eyes tells me that he's ashamed of what he did, and he couldn't bear to deal with it after he had did what he did. And apparently a lot of serial killers do go through that. That after they do something super terrible, they're like, God, I'm a shitty person. And so they'll do small things like that to make themselves feel better. Rotten hell, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Um, that's why they don't look in mirrors and different things like that, because they can't stand to see themselves. Just because they don't take care of themselves.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

Yeah, it's a lot of self-hate going on. And also stabbing a woman in her uterus in that way also lets me know that you really just hate women. You hate all women because that's such a weird thing to do. Like nobody would ever just think about that. So, and keep in mind, everybody, we are in the very, very, very early, uh, early days of like DNA technology. So we're starting to we're having to do all of this super old school. So they do find fingerprints, but they're just holding on to them, and they don't really know exactly, you know, like what we're gonna do just yet, but they're holding on to it. But what um Carrillo finds is a shoe print, and he measures it out, and he's like, Okay, so this is the same 11.5, 12 shoe that I keep finding, and he decides to take a mold of that shoe and he holds on to it. Good police work. Shout out to Detective Gil Carrillo of Los Angeles. Um, any type of documentary or podcast that he's on that I've listened to, this guy really has his head on straight. And I also like it because he's not like somebody who thinks that he's better than everybody. Like, even when he was in the um on the the the documentary for this, he was just like, you know, I like I went in there and um he's like I I talked to him like I talked to my friends. He's like, like, I'm from the streets, like I feel like, uh, Odale, like you know, like talking to him, like what's up, where he like walked in, he's like, What's up, fool? Like, that's how he talks to people because he's like, I want them to know, like, I am one of you, like, I'm not somebody who thinks I'm better than you, but you definitely about to feel this justice, though.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, I'm about to say to me on sushi, that's good police work right there. And then on top of it, ain't nothing wrong with a humble police officer.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

I I love it. I love to see it. Um, and then there's this this weird thing now that like you know, he gets into killing adults and things like that, and all of a sudden he just starts randomly kidnapping children. Like, that's weird. Usually uh serial killers they choose one or the other. They're not typically doing both. Uh, but Anastasia Joranas was uh six years old when she was kidnapped by Richard Ramirez. He took her out of bed and took her through the window. Um, Anastasia said she was super sleepy that night, and she had just fallen asleep, so she was kind of confused as to what was going on. And she said he even spoke to her in Spanish, and so she figured. Like, this has to be like one of my family members. And so she was like, I thought it was like a cousin or something. So I was just like, Oh God, here we go with the bullshit again. Like, you know, let me go. Where the fuck are we going? You know, you know how like your family might wake you up and they'd be like, Here, we're going to grandma's house or some shit like that. He's like, I don't fine. So she just goes with him, and she didn't realize until she was in the car what had actually happened. And he tells her to look into the glove box, and she's he's like, Do you see that gun there? And she was like, Yeah. He's like, Just know that's there. So he takes her back to his house and he does terrible things to her. I'm not gonna go into it. But um, she said he was so nice at first and so like kind to her. He's like, but she kept complaining and getting on his nerves because she's like, Stop, like, don't touch me, leave me alone. And she's fighting him, and she's like, No, like I I gotta use the bathroom, like, stop, and he would kind of like he just got annoyed with her, and he took her to a gas station. He said, Go in there and tell them to call the police and have your family come get you, and just left her.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

No, at least he left her. At least he left.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

I'm glad that he did, but it's just such a weird thing to do. Um, and then also this is where Gil starts kind of looking around, and he's just like, you know, like why this is such a weird case that he would kill these people, and he doesn't think that the the child abductions are like in the same vein, but he's like, but what if they are? You know, and then he goes to the house and he sees that shoe print outside of her window, and so he's like, hmm. So on April 10th, he goes to a local law enforcement meeting to exchange information with like LA police departments and across the board. Um, there's like LA is kind of weird, it's such a big county that their police departments are divided up into like a whole bunch of diff different jurisdictions. So the issue with that is that you could commit a crime over here and you can cross over into another jurisdiction. That's another police department that's handling that crime. So they really need to be talking and working together, but they aren't.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

And definitely during this time period, we found out like police officers are not really jurisdiction-wise, they're not really communicating as much as they should be. So you could really go somewhere else and just pretty much start a whole new profile of criminal of criminal activities, and the other jurisdiction can't even put it together that, oh, you know what, these are the same two people until it's too late.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

And that's the thing that was like really driving me kind of wild about that, is like they were being competitive about it and being like, well, no, like, you know, like I'm gonna beat on my chest, and my jurisdiction can handle this, and this is not my this is your problem, not mine, type deal. But Gil was like telling him, he's like, There's something in my gut telling me that these child abductions and these murders are linked. He said, I have absolutely no evidence, I have nothing to support this at all, but y'all have to believe me on this. The entire police department laughs in his face because they just thought it was so preposterous and so impossible to believe that somebody who violently kills people can kidnap and assault children and then still allow them to live. Don't get that. I don't get that at all. But um, from the original murders, this is 58 days later. It is May 14th, 85. Um, so remember this name, Linda Arthur. She's a crime scene technician, and she got a call to come process the scene of uh the Williams house. Oh no, of William and Lillian Doy. Um William was shot, and but he was able to call 911 in an attempt to save his wife's life, but um Lillian ended up dying before police got there. But something weird was about this case, and they knew just they noticed that this guy is having too much fun with it because he used thumb cuffs for Lillian, like literally just her thumbs, and she was fighting so hard to try and get out of them that she ripped her thumb off, which ended up causing more bleeding, and then she ended up dying from that, which is absolutely crazy. So then this is this is like even weirder. So 50-something days goes by, the cool-off period, because the cool-off period is like 50 days after all of this shit. I'm like, okay, that's weird, but I'm noticing the longer he has these cool-off periods, the more out of hand he becomes. Yes. So June 28th, 85, is when the attacks start again. So it starts with Patty Higgins, 32 years old. He slits her throat, and then he stabs her in the slit of the throat. And then four days later, July 2nd, about a mile from where Patty Higgins was murdered, Mary Cannon was murdered. And she was a 75-year-old woman, murdered the exact same way that Patty was.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

So am I not surprised? Not too much, because um, from the news reports that I got and read, it was like whenever he takes those cool-off periods, right? Those are like when he was doing his excessive drugs. Like, cause um his father was gonna get reports of like like of okay, like, oh, we seen your son, like, you know, he doing some wild things, like bro was eating out of trash cans. He was yeah, so like they were doing different things like that. He and his dad would hear about it. So his dad at first was like, my son's not, you know, not doing all this, this at the third kind of in a disbelief state, but as far as like you know, he's out of the house, he's like, I can't really, so it kind of caught his father off guard, but I think it all went left as soon as he got the name Night Stalker. Somehow, some way, of course, you're still watching TV. So when he got the name Night Stalker, all of it, like I guess all of it.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Cause they're like, I'm known. He thinks he's famous.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

So not only does he think he's famous, but he takes on a whole persona, like, pretty much like, oh, I'm dra I'm I'm Satan's bloodhound. Um yeah, like I'm but even worse than that, it's like a I'm Satan's bloodhound. Like, I'm supposed to be going and doing this, and he's like on some hell Satan type deal. And even worse, he thinks that he's like Dracula, so there's exactly gets so much worse because um the thing that he pretty much does, like how he gets the last bit of his um victims, is he sees it as you know how vampires in the traditional vampire story? Oh, you have to invite a vampire in. Yeah, he would go to random people's doors, houses, if you left it unlocked, in his mind, that's him being invited in. So that's how he was getting in, that's how he was um in his mind rationalizing, like, oh yeah, I'm this is this is a mission I'm supposed to accomplish. Um now with the whole sexual assault, it it the killing, they said the psychologist said that the killing to him was so bad. You know, like how some people, I forgot what it's called, where it's like you get a release, um, like whenever you smoke weed or you have sex like a dopamine head. Dopamine. So his dopamine can't, it was on his dopamine releases were on levels of sexual releases for him whenever he does killings. That's pretty much how bad his psycho was, his like his mind was. But he did every drug in a book that you can imagine.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

So that's crazy. How is he getting this money? Is what I'm trying. Maybe oh well, he is stealing and robbing.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

He's stealing, I'm about to say he stole pretty much, he's not just like, oh, I'm just robbing and raping all these women, he's also stealing everything. He's pretty much just your average crackhead, too, uh, on top of it. So he's your average crackhead too, so he's still stealing shit. So he, of course, flips that, get money, and do does whatever he needs to do. So, and I'm pretty sure the pawn shop owners thinking, like, oh, especially in what? South Central LA? California and LA, California, like whatever. They're like, oh, you know, everybody's a hippie, everybody's out here just like, you know, committing a crime right now. During that time, they didn't think it was probably to this extent. They thought he was just probably a stick-up kid. Because, like you said, in even in the description, they they pictured him as tall and lengthy. They're not thinking that he's actually a threat to anybody.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

But yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Yeah, so you you probably see that in there where it's like, okay, he as soon as he got the name and he was taking drugs, he's he pretty much sees himself as like Count Dracula, a vampire type deal. So it goes to her from there.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

But two days after Patty and Mary were murdered, there was a teenage girl named Whitney Bennett. Um, she was actually getting ready for bed in uh Sierra Madre in California in her parents' house, and she said she woke up bloodied and like beaten, and her room was ransacked. And she just kind of was in shock by it, but thank God she was able to survive it. But she's like, I don't even remember what happened, it just happened so fast. Um, but on the comforter of Whitney's bed, um, we see this bloody shoe print, and that kind of actually made like Carillo very excited because he's like, My theory is coming together. Um, but I think the scariest thing about this guy though, about Ramirez is that he doesn't really have a victim pool. He it it he would kill men, he would kill women, children, it doesn't matter your age, race, anything. It's just ever everybody is a victim at that point. But let me tell you about how much of a gangster Carrillo is, okay? So Gil takes that shoe print and he heads down to the Avia as he realizes that it's an Avia shoe. So he goes down to the store and he's like, Okay, I need to track down this data to see exactly how many shoes were sold in this region, to see exactly like what's going on. So he reaches out to Avia's headquarters and they say, Okay, back in January, there were about a thousand shoes that were sold and shipped to this LA region. And he's like, Okay, so he starts narrowing down the data more. So he starts asking the surviving victims, like, do you possibly remember what type of shoe he had on? And so he they said, Well, I know it was a black shoe, and why he's wearing the same shoes to murder. Apparently, his outfit was an ACDC hat, a members only jacket, and these black Avia shoes.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

So I was about to say, why is this man only got two one pair of shoes? But you know what? Hey, we'll try this man crying, so we'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Right, we'll take it. You were stupid enough to do it, we'll take it. But he keeps narrowing that down and he says, Okay, black Avia shoes, okay, now how many black Avia shoes are actually made, like in this style? And then he starts realizing, okay, so this is also an aerobic shoe. And he's like, Okay, cool, cool, cool. So we know it's a black Avea aerobic shoe. How many of these black aerobic shoes were sent to LA? There was one pair. How lucky is that? There was one pair in that thousand or so shipment, there was one pair of these black Avea aerobic shoe. Okay. So there's only sold to one person. And so they go to the store where it was sent, and they pull those records, and they're going by down it like the rabbit hole, and they're trying to figure out, okay, like, let's see exactly where this, you know, will lead us, will lead us. And they are like, okay, like we'll see. But yeah, I don't think he he used cash, so there really wasn't you know too much there, but they were like, this is something. This is something we like we can work with this. So while this is going on, and also shout out to like Gil Carrill's wife, because I noticed like a lot of homicide detectives, they do end up divorced, and I was very happy to find out that like they are still very happily married together. And I think it's because he's such a jovial, happy person, no matter the circumstances. But shout out to her because she's a real one, because she had to ride through all of this. Usually homicide detectives are dead by now, especially from that time period, because it's such a heavy job. So, shout out to Gil.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

I can't think these are I truthfully, anybody who can get married and stay married when they got a person. I mean, any profession that's 12 plus hours, doctors, lawyers, detectives, kind of to my friends that are still married to their surgeon husbands, because and you know who I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Girl, I see you out here, and you are amazing, and you're holding down a whole child out here by yourself. You you you were a gangster.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Like, really and truly. Keep it rolling.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Right. Um, so Ramirez is starting to get more bold and he's starting to get more violent. Like you said, he got, you know, I am the night stalker. So he's starting to feel himself more. So now on May 29th of 85, he decides to murder um Mabel Bell and he bludgeons her to death with a hammer. And then this is when he starts getting, you know, like you said, like he he called himself what, the devil's bloodhound? Yeah, or whatever. So this is when he starts kind of leaving his calling card, and he's starting to murder people. And on Maybell, he decides to mark her body with the satanic pentagram. Um, not to be confused with like a Wiccan pentagram. This pentagram is upside down star, and you know it has like the goat head or whatever, which is supposed to be like Beaufamet's whatever. Um, anyway, we we rebuke that in the name of Jesus. But uh Carillo says the investigation was just so ruling, and he said he's just getting beat down, and him and his partner. Um, I forget what was his partner's name. Do you remember? That was um El Cocue, the boogeyman.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

The boogeyman.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Yeah, they called him the boogeyman. I can't remember his name right now, but I'll just call him El Cucui for this purpose. Um, but they called him that because once when he if he's looking for you, he is going to find you. And apparently he would leave a trail of sunflower seeds in his wake. And if I'm a serial killer, I do not want to see a detective who probably has recently quit smoking, who's already agitated, and spitting out sunflower seeds everywhere. I'm gonna be like, I'm cooked. I'm cooked.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I ain't gonna lie, quitting quitting the habit.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Quit the habit.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

When I get my hands on you, when I get my hands on you, yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

You're you're fucking cooked. So yeah. Um El Cukui and Carillo, they they were basically like holding each other together because they're like the hours are just so long. And he said during our good days we really celebrated hards, but during our bad days, he's like sometimes like we would just silently cry in the car together because it was just that you know awful. Um, so Gil one night he believes that he's gonna get removed from the case because he's like it's taken over his whole life, and he has this, and I think that like um Carrio, I don't know if anybody believes in this, but I do think that he does have a God-given gift. Um, and this is why, because he's woken up at 3 30 a.m. in the morning, and he thinks that he hears a noise. So he thinks that it's just his paranoia, and he's like, I can't call the police because they're gonna take me off the case because they're gonna say I'm getting too close to the case. So he, you know, he's like, I thought I heard a noise. He's like, I tell my wife to stay in the bedroom, he grabs his gun, and he's like, I'm clearing the house as if I was like, there was somebody actively in there, and he's like, I can't find anybody, I don't hear anything. And he was like, But I just sit down and he's like, I turn on a western and I just start watching it, and I just should try and calm down my mind. And he's like, as soon as I'm about to fall asleep, my phone rings, and he's like, it scared the living shit out of me, and I picked it up, and it was the police department, and they said you need to call Linda Arthur, and he's like, Okay. Uh so he calls Linda and Linda says, You have to get over here right now. The lady across the street from me was essayed, and I think it was the guy that you're looking for. And he's like, There's no way. So Linda was hanging out with her homegirls, they were in the the hot tub in the back of her house, and um apparently she had just gotten ready for bed. They all come inside. Um, her girls were going to bed, she was getting ready for bed. She I think she said she had just gotten out of the shower, and um, one of her friends say, Linda, there's somebody calling you, and she's like, What are you talking about? You drank too much. I have the phone right here, and it has not rang. Like, what is wrong with you? She was like, No, someone is calling you outside, and it is her neighbor, and she is handcuffed to her bed, and she's yelling out the window, Mrs. Arthur, Mrs. Arthur, please, please help me, help me. He had gone in there, handcuffed her to the bed, and essayed her. And the she was like, Thank God that Linda was awake, because who knows how long I would have been there or I might have died there. Yeah. I'm like, that is insane. But so while this is going on, Carillo is starting to put his information together, so he's starting to share things across departments, and the department is trying starting to take him serious, and he's like, Okay, like this is what we need to do. These this is what I have on the case. What do you guys have? They're putting it together, right? So then the mayor, and I think that Diane, sorry about that, y'all. My headphones died. Uh but um, so Diane Feinstein, she's the mayor of San Francisco, and I think that this was kind of a thing that she was doing to kind of like beat on her chest and be like, I'm tough on crime, trying to get re-elected. But she decides to hold a damn press conference and she spills the beans on the entire investigation. She's like, he's wearing a black of the shoe, and he does this, and he dresses like this, and he wears a members only jacket. And I'm just like, girl, shut the hell up. Because what if he sees this and he decides to switch up everything and he decides to not wear the shoes anymore? Like exactly, Richard is like, you know, like Carrillo, he's pissed. He's like, bro, we've got to figure out a way to keep the politicians out of our investigation. But God has a plan. So there's a uh an informant, he gets a tip. Um he said, My mom got this bracelet from her boyfriend, and I think that the guy that you're talking about, the way that I I did see, like, you know, he wears the members only jacket, the shoes, everything like that. I think this is my mom's boyfriend's friend. And he's like, hmm. He's like, Do you know what the friend's name is? And he's like, I I know they just call him Rich. I don't, I don't know like exactly what his name is, but y'all need to talk to him. So the police go and they find this guy's mom, and she reveals that her boyfriend's name is Armando. And she's like, Okay, um, like Armando, we need to talk to you. And the police go up to him and he's being very rude. He's like, You guys, I'm not helping you, I'm not working with you, blah, blah, blah. And so the police officer that goes to try and talk to him, he's like, I'm not having this. So he puts him in the black back of the police car and he's like, Tell me. And then he's like, No, I'm not telling you. And so he gets mad and he starts pulling his fist all the way back, ready to rock this boy's shit. And then before he strikes him in the face, the guy goes, His last name is Ramirez. Richard Ramirez is his name. Name. He's like, bet. So he pushes him out of the police car. He runs and calls Gil and he said, This is our guy. He said, The mugshot that you have from when he was a kid, let's get it on the papers. Let's print his name. Let's run it. And Gil was like, say less. So they print his face on every newspaper. He's posted up on billboards all across LA. And Richard immediately knows that he has been had that morning. He goes and gets on the bus and he sees a woman reading the newspaper. And she looks at the front and she kind of looks at him and he pulls the string. He gets off the bus. And then so the lady gets off the bus behind him and she calls the police and he says, I saw Richard Ramirez. He's heading this way. And apparently, like dispatch was on fire because people keep, you know, they're hearing him, they're like, they're seeing him. It's like, hey, I saw him here, I saw him here, and the neighborhood is on his ass. They are literally following him down the street. People like, call the police, call the police. We're sick of this motherfucker. Get him off the streets. And he's running, running, running. And Andy Ramirez, no relation, gets the call on his radio and he starts chasing him down on foot. And everybody's like, he's gone this way. They're pointing him out. And he's running. And then Andy is a track star. So he's on his ass. He's a hound. He is a dog. And he literally chases him down and he looks at Richard and he's like, Are you done yet? And he's like, You look exhausted, man. And he holds out his handcuffs and he said Richard was beat. And he just stuck him up?

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

Mm-hmm. And then he takes him down and he puts him into a cell and Richard just confessed literally to everything.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

There is no way he couldn't confess. Now the thing, I'm about to say, and he he was just, I ain't gonna lie to you, they must have done work on him because when he went to court or when they picked him up, did you see when they had their he was wrapped up in like the Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

The neighbors, they started trying to like beat him when they put him in the police car. Andy was like trying to defuse the situation, and he's like, no, please, like, let justice be served. But the neighbors weren't having that, they were whooping his ass.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

I'm not gonna lie to you. Like, yeah, it's my turn to go ahead and get a couple licks in. Yeah, I ain't mad at it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Taking so much from the community. You deserve it.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Especially if it's my neighbor. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Yeah, so.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

And I wish there was a more of a court case that we could get into, y'all, but this was literally open and shut.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

It was. The trial was so bad that the the victims' families didn't even come to it because they already knew it was a oh yes, it's already done, open, shut.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

What are you gonna say?

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Nothing. The only thing he said was hell Satan before he got sentenced. But it did take three years for his, like, for them to collect all the evidence and everything before they could actually um get the trial going. It took about three years of him just pretty much being there. So yeah. That's pretty much it. Close shut, they sentenced him to death and he was done. That's pretty much all you're at to it.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

That's all she wrote.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

That was a fun one, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 47:25

Yeah, yeah. I'm just glad, I'm just glad that they sentenced him to death. It wasn't a long, prolonged, oh yeah, you know, no type of prolonged. We got him on death row.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

No, get him out of here.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

Don't buy it.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Return him back to hell where he came from. Exactly. So, yeah, let's see. Uh, make sure that you guys follow us um on Instagram at true crime underscore os. That's where you'll find updates about the show. So if we have something going on and it's delayed or anything like that, then we can, you know, you'll find out there. Um, also our TikTok needs some love, so please go look at it. Um, also on YouTube, we're starting to collect some steam if you want to see our beautiful faces. We are on YouTube at True Crime and Other Shit, because they let you cuss on there. Um also we got shorts popping on there, so go ahead and like and subscribe. Um, if you have any business that you want to give us, if you want to sponsor a show, definitely let us know. Um, our inbox is open. It is info I N F O at TrueCrime and Other Shit.com. Is there anything that you wanted to shout out, Eddie? Anything, any thoughts for the week?

SPEAKER_01 48:40

No, I ain't got nothing this week. Nothing this week.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

Nothing this week. All right, so we will be back next week. Me and Eddie are gonna do a deep dive into Katrina. Yes, the storm, because we did cover the Tiffany Woods case, so we are gonna follow up with kind of what all was going on during that super terrible time in New Orleans. So stay tuned for that. All right. Well, this has been a Mercier BC production. We will see you next week. Bye.