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Henry Louis Wallace: The Taco Bell Strangler
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In the early 90s, Charlotte, North Carolina, was gripped by a shadow it didn’t even know was there. Henry Louis Wallace, known as "The Taco Bell Strangler," didn't hunt from the dark; he was a friend, a coworker, and a familiar face to the women he targeted.
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In the 90s, Charlotte was a city under siege by the crack epidemic. Beneath the chaos was a friendly coworker who you would open the door for with no question. Today, we're looking at the mask of sanity worn by the Charlotte Strangler and the community that had to fight for justice when the system failed to see what was right in front of them. This is your boy Eddie, and welcome to another episode of True Crime and Other Shit. Today we are going to be covering a case that's a little close to home. So this is about Henry Lewis Wallace. If you are from the Charlotte area and you're a Charlotte native, I know we're rare, but we do exist. You know this case well. And you might have even known Henry Lewis Wallace, or unfortunately, you may have known some of his victims. So a trigger warning for today definitely is violence against women, sexual assault, and uh also drug use. So if those are a trigger for you, then maybe this isn't the episode for you, or this might not be the podcast for you as a whole, and that is okay. Alright, Eddie, you got anything to say?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, get some tea, enjoy your life.
SPEAKER_01I gotta get my wicked mug. Alright, you ready to get into it? Ready, Eddie?
SPEAKER_00Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01Alright. So Henry Lewis Wallace was born on November 4th, 1965. A Scorpio, for those who care. He was born in Barnwell, South Carolina to the son of Lottie Mae Wallace. So Henry's father left because Lottie May got pregnant. So she never got to meet him. So he never got to meet him. So Miss Lottie May, she would have a ship, a chip on her shoulder about Henry, and that would cause her to show a lot of resentment towards him because she felt that he was the reason why his father ended up leaving. Eddie, you look confused.
SPEAKER_00I'm back to who's Miss Lottie May, because we didn't get to that part yet.
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay. Um, so Wallace grew up with his mother working long hours at a as a textile worker. As we know back in the 90s, textiles workers were a huge thing. But she was always very verbally abusive and criticizing her son for even the smallest mistakes. He was always trying to win his mother's affection by doing various things, activities, winning awards, but he always seemed to fall short. So Henry recounts his first violent encounter about hurting women when he was about eight years old. Uh, there were some guys in his neighborhood that were about 18 years old, and the girls that they were with were about 16, and the guys grabbed her and took her into the woods. And for some reason, he decided to follow, and they allowed him to follow, but whatever. And they took her into the woods and they essayed her. Um, Henry admits that he was aroused with the act rather than disgusted, and that's as we've seen, that is where it all goes wrong. So he attended Barnwell High School where he was elected student counsel and he was a cheerleader. He was very popular and everybody liked him. And it's believed that he was masking himself and kind of mimicking what he saw around him. And it's like, okay, so people like people like this, or people like people who do cheerleading. Like, I'm a guy doing cheerleading that's unpopular, so people are gonna think it's interesting or funny. So he was doing that to kind of make himself seem cool, and it worked. Um, so everybody liked him. Wallace said during that time he used to have some violent pornographic magazines, and he used to look through that all the time, and that's when he started to fantasize about sexual violence. So when Henry was about 16, he started thinking about living out his fantasies. Yes, Eddie.
SPEAKER_00So pretty much a lot of uh magazines and whatnot, like they had like sexual restraints, like they're just more like regular Playboy magazine, like old soft porn, nothing like that. These they were ones like had sleeping pills, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's weird, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00So like it it went further than what he did, like it went further from what he seen, and he just went running with it. Like he took that and ran a mile. Don't get me wrong, being eight years old, seeing something like that is probably traumatizing as fuck. But yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Weird stuff that he even had those. Like, where do you even find some shit like that as a 16-year-old in the deep south? Like, you know.
SPEAKER_00Like, you gotta think we're thinking from like our point of view now, it's it'd be damn near impossible to find a porn magazine. But the same way that we have access to the internet, that was the same way it was to get access to stuff back in the day. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01I think so, because they didn't start having like the restricted section in like the video stores until like we were a little bit older, but right before they went away.
SPEAKER_00So and then think about it for real, for real. I mean, think about like how like, oh yeah, you know, you could be 16 trying to get some cigarettes from a store. If you're really cool with that person, you know he got a real cool demeanor about him. All he had to do is really talk him up and he looked older. He's not some short-looking kid, he looks older. So it's not hard for him to get his hands on it.
SPEAKER_01I suppose. But when Henry was 16, he started trying to live out these fantasies by trying to molest his friends' sisters. Um, there was a little girl that he did try to do that with, but she said no and pushed him, and he couldn't bring himself to do any more, thank God. And so he walked away from that situation. Um after his graduation in 1983, uh Henry Lewis became a DJ for the Barnwell radio station, and he was well known again, very popular guy, but that wasn't paying enough, and he went to college for a little bit, but then he joined the Navy in 1985. And in that same year, he married his high school sweetheart, and then they were doing well, you know, and then he got dishonorably discharged, and then he became more violent because he had a lot of resentment for that.
SPEAKER_00You found out what you got dishonorably discharged for?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm about to get into it. That's why I'm like, this is bullshit. But so the reason he his wife and him started having problems is because the way that he would um encounter sex with her. So he was very violent, and she had a pass of sexual assault, so she was like, I don't like this because it makes me think about that. So I really don't want to do this, and let's stop. And so he got frustrated with her and he kept getting angry with her, so she just packed her shit and she dipped. She was just like, Whatever, I'm not, I'm not dealing with this shit. But um, yeah, he got dishonor dishonorably discharged because of his consistent use of drugs, and crack cocaine was his drug of choice.
SPEAKER_00So, I mean, like, yes, that's true, but he got dishonorably discharged just for like petty theft. That's what they could do. He never found like, yeah, I mean, but he used the theft to go get the crack, but they never found any type of use of meth or anything like that. I mean, not meth, uh, crack, whenever he was like going through stuff, but he got discharged. That's why it was a dishonorable one. I mean, that's why it was an honorable discharge and not a dishonorable one.
SPEAKER_01I thought he discharged.
SPEAKER_00I heard it was honorable. It was an honorable discharge, uh, honorable charge charge. But I could be wrong. Like it, because it was just a small one, so they just kind of like, uh, all right. Get up out of here. Was it dishonorable?
SPEAKER_01He was honorably discharged, my mistake.
SPEAKER_00I thought he was dishonorably discharged, but it was a petty death, so it was just like, mm, we're just gonna get you out of here, but we're gonna get you honorable. Oh, yeah, yeah, crack was still there. Crack was still there.
SPEAKER_01He was still a crackhead. So he um he ends up leaving, you know, leaving South Carolina, and then he ends up moving to Charlotte, and his addiction to crack continued while he lived in Charlotte. Um, so Charlotte was a different place back in the day. Anybody who was here, you know that the crack epidemic really hit Charlotte extremely hard. The Charlotte Observer was reporting homicides every single day. They were extremely stressed out, the detectives were um very burnt out, they were kind of like drained, so they didn't have a lot of time to look into all of this. Um, and then they were hitting record-breaking numbers of killings, and then Henry comes up and just decides he just gonna make it worse. So on May 27th, 1992, on Rosals Ferry Road, this is an area in Charlotte that's like usually very industrial back in the day. It's like there was a lot of truckers coming in and out, like it was just one of those places that was like a little gritty. Um but skeletal's remains were found in a shallow grave with little clothing and little tissue left on the body when they found um they found this CMTD blocked off that area and they did a grid search immediately, but there was really nothing that they could find. Uh the autopsy of the corpse was related to blunt force trauma, and that was the person's demise. She fought hard and she fought aggressively, but unfortunately it was no match for Henry Lewis Wallace because he was a pretty stocky guy. Um and records, dental records confirmed that it was a black female named Sharon Nance. Um, Sharon was a mom, she was a kind and loving person, vibrant energy, and she was doing unfortunately what she had to do to take care of her family. She was a known prostitute around the area, and the last time her family saw her, they said she was going out dancing. And she had been gone about a week when her family filed a police report because they were like she would never leave her son alone that like that long. That was her her son, you know. And Sharon's aunt was the last person that saw her, and she was like, she just said she was going out with her friends, and that was the last time they saw her. And then 19 days later, on June 15th, 1992, we see Caroline Love. Her family reported her missing, and um Caroline was a 20-something-year-old woman who was just starting out on her own. She was going to work and working in fast food restaurants to make East uh to make ends meet. She worked around the Eastland Mall area, if you know, you know. Um, and her family went to her apartment because they didn't hear from her for a while. Her cousin went in there and he was like, uh, Caroline's out here, but her purse and all of her belongings and all the stuff that she would take if she was going to be gone are still here. And they actually thought that Caroline's cousin was a suspect because he didn't come to her funeral and they didn't have any other leads, and they were like, You were the like last person in the apartment.
SPEAKER_00He actually drove her to um to work that day, too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he was the last person to see her alive.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so for him to start like kind of acting weird like that, yeah. But funny, funny story, well, not funny story, but um kind of interesting fact about um the case was the person, the investigator who uh I forgot what was the late lady's first name, the first lady who they found on the side of the road.
SPEAKER_01Um Shannon.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Hold on. Yeah, Sharon Nance.
SPEAKER_00So Sharon Nance, um, the investigator actually knew Sharon Nance.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I saw that.
SPEAKER_01He was going to school to be a cop while she was out doing her thing.
SPEAKER_00And like he said, whenever he would catch the bus, um, she will always be like, You're my uh you're my personal, like pretty much security card. Like at least my own. You're my copy, personal cop. Yeah, you're my cop. XYZ. So it kind of hurt him in a whole different way. And it actually, we all know this uh sheriff, because now he's like, Well, I think he's a sheriff. I forgot what his name is. Uh well, well, I'll find, I'll bring it back up.
SPEAKER_01But um, I for some reason I didn't get his name either, and I was like, hey, I know this guy. But um, so eight months later, on February 19th, uh, 1993, this is a victim that's kind of close to home. Um, so this victim was the daughter of one of my aunt's really good friends. Uh, Shauna Hawke was a very sweet and driven young lady, according to my aunt. She was a college student, really just trying to make her way, and she, of course, had a very bright future ahead of her. She was smart, she was educated, she had the world at her fingertips. Um I I don't know if Dee will end up hearing this, her mother, but um, I'm gonna get into the details of kind of what happened. So, Dee, if you are listening, please just go ahead and stop now and pick up in about two minutes, and I'll timestamp it in the show notes uh because I don't want you to hear that. Um but unfortunately, Shauna's light was extinguished extinguished when her family came home and saw her deceased in a bathtub with water in it. Uh, they were confused because how did this happen? Did she take pills? Did she somehow fall asleep? Like, how did she drown? Like, what happened? They were confused and the how because the house was still very neat and organized. Um, they saw that everything was in its place, so they assumed that this had to be somebody that she knew very well. It was somebody she was so comfortable in that she would have just let them ride on in the house. Um, so the question is, is this like somebody she knows, or is this a man? Is this a woman? You know, we have nothing. But the autopsy did show that Shauna was um she passed from asphyxia. Um so now we have three black women that have been victims at this point, and we still have no idea who did it. And shortly after this, Audrey Spain, age 20, found June 25th, 1993, Valencia Jumper, 21, found August 10th, 1993. And a few months later, Michelle Stenson was found on September 15th, 1993, all found dead in their apartments. So now we're at six dead black women with all the same autopsy, showing that they were, you know, strangled and and sexually assaulted.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So like I can't imagine being a detective right now. Because the climb the crime scene organized, perfectly clean, you know, nothing out of ordinary.
SPEAKER_00You gotta remember, he's also like a Navy veteran, too. So it's not like it's it's not unordinary for him to go ahead and make sure everything's clean to like perfection. Like he's pretty much been trying to make sure he's that he doesn't leave a trace. Correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that's just a little unnerving to think it's like, you know, somebody like that, just somebody so close to you that you're just like, oh yeah, whatever, come on. But um, all of these ladies did have something else in common. They were all responsible, they were all taking care of what they needed to take care of, they were all trying to find their way in life, and they didn't have anything in their past that would have said, you know, they could have just fell into bad company and this happened. Like, you know, usually if you see like a victim or something, you're like, oh, well, she did kind of hang out with a rougher crowd, or you know, whatever, whatever. But there was absolutely none of that, which made it even more strange. And you really have nobody that you can look at.
SPEAKER_00A lot of them are trying to better their lives and go to college.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like, and as we know, like going to college in the 90s, that was rare for black women. So it's like these ladies were really out here hustling, they are doing the damn thing, they can see the future, they can they can taste the suc success on their tongue, and it's just like that's just unfair, you know.
SPEAKER_00So close to success, but yet so far away too, and it's just ripped away from you in a flash.
SPEAKER_01Right. So a mother comes to her daughter's apartment to see her daughter and granddaughter, and as soon as she gets there, she notices the door is ajar, and they she walks in and she sees her four-month-old granddaughter unattended. So she's like, What? Like, little girl, where your mama at? You know, because you shouldn't be out here by yourself. And then she walks to the bedroom to find Vanessa Mack, only 25 years old at the time, to find her mother unresponsive in bed. Vanessa had let Wallace in, she seemed to be super comfortable with them, but now the city is on full alert because what do you mean there's somebody going around the city killing only black women? And on top of that, like all the crime scenes were completely neat, and there was nothing really out of the ordinary. So, as a detective, what do you even do? Like, you have absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_00So, actually, I I don't know if it was this one or it was the next one, but what they realized is, and stop me if you're about to come up into it.
SPEAKER_01I think I'm about to come up to it.
SPEAKER_00You about to see it? You're talking about like cards.
SPEAKER_01No evidence, no leads, but and of course they did see that Vanessa was sexually assaulted and she was strangled, but they noticed that her ATM cards were gone. Boom! That's the one can we like fuse like Dragon Ball Z? Yeah, but um, so they realized that hold on, why are these gone? And they were like, I bet you dumb dumbed and used these. And sure enough, he did. Now, mind you, it is still 1994, and video camera and surveillance cream really isn't the best. So they go to the ATM and they see where her card was used, and uh all you see is a black blob, really. I mean, it's nighttime, and this uh this man, he's a his he's a dark-skinned black man in the dark, and the only thing that you can see is the gold cross in his ear. And they're like, Okay, I mean, what what are we really supposed to do with this? But the detectives hold on to that and they were like, Alright, keep this on the low. Let's see what else he does. Because he's starting to get sloppy now, because he's starting to get confident, because he's starting to believe that we don't have the resources to you know continue this. So now we have seven dead women, still no lead. The police department.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, no, no, no, they do have leads. They actually do have leads. I'm not gonna lie to you. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01You got too much dip on your chip.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, you don't know about this one, though. You don't know. This isn't a report I sent you. So what happened was the detective, the detective that was uh what's the name, he started noticing because they were all in the same vicinity. So he said, All right, everybody that like you you have because of course when they when you got a homicide and they have not made the connection fully yet. So what he did was he said, nope, everybody that has that connection, we need y'all to come together, and we need to figure out who is the natural person or like the person that is. All connected to them. So what they did. Oh my bad, my bad. Oh, you already did.
SPEAKER_01No, you're good. Go ahead. All I was gonna say is like the black community really comes together and they're like, hold up, wait a minute. Something ain't right. So they start talking about how you know there, you know, he I think you know that there's this guy.
SPEAKER_00But it's not, but it isn't the black. I gotta get because you know me. I'm very good. When the cops, when the cops do bad, I go on and I tell them that they do bad. On this one, they actually did pretty good. So I gotta do I gotta give the cops their cops on this one. That's why I was like, yeah, I I get y'all this on this one. Yeah, because they figured out pretty quickly who it was and they put the connections together about like, oh, okay, you know what? It's butt. Like they didn't have enough to go get uh um uh um a warrant for his arrest or anything like that, but they went ahead and pretty much seemed like okay, boom. He does actually they actually found out he had an outstanding warrant when they found out he was at Taco Bell. Once they were able to see three girls worked at Taco Bell together, this one actually knew him, came to visit him at this time period. Because he was a manager at Taco Bell, and that's how he met all these girls, and that's how he was meeting people.
SPEAKER_01And when he was doing all that wild, yes, imagine your manager like popping up to your house and killing you. Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_00But see, he regularly came over to everybody's house. He regularly came over to everybody's house. Actually, one of the girls, um, one of the girls, they it was crazy as heck. He it was they were dating. He killed her roommate. They were it was a girl's roommate.
SPEAKER_01Mmm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, let me see what she was.
SPEAKER_01I did hear about that. I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but one thing about that, I actually had one of my friends reach out to me from high school. Shout out to Devante for reaching out when he saw that we were covering the case, and he just learned this a couple of years ago. His mother and grandmother knew Henry, and he they would let him into their homes and he would take naps in between his shifts. So he was well liked, and exactly. I'm like, they could have easily been a victim, but the when you cover by the blood, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Now I ain't gonna lie to you.
SPEAKER_01Y'all ain't trying to have church up in here.
SPEAKER_00Hear me out. Hear me out because when you look like when you all right, so in that case note I sent you, remind you, it had all his like personal thoughts of what he was thinking and what he was like, why did I do it? Why I really did like Hawk, um, I forgot what her name is. Um he actually didn't want to do it. He he didn't want to do it. Um that was that was crazy. The love murder turned out to be like on some.
SPEAKER_01I think it was just that. Who? Carolyn Love.
SPEAKER_00Carrie Love? No, he did. It was the girlfriend he was dating um the roommate. So his girlfriend and the one he killed were roommates.
SPEAKER_01Were you talking about Brandy Henderson?
SPEAKER_00Mm-mm. Uh Caroline Love. Caroline Love, uh partner from his girlfriend and Love's roommate, Sadie McKnight. Sadie McKnight was the one that he was dating. Caroline Love is the one that he killed.
SPEAKER_01Um that's the one he put a question mark next to. Whenever he handed them the list of all the people he killed. I don't even think he knew he done knew that girl, the roommate like that.
SPEAKER_00Let me see.
SPEAKER_01I don't even think he knew her name because he slid the police a list and it had everybody listed, but it um he he didn't know her name.
SPEAKER_00Well, he knew that love would be alone. I'm gonna read you, all right. So I'm gonna read you just a little bit of what he said. He said he had taken a key to Caroline Love's apartment from his girlfriend and love's roommate, Sadie McKnight, when he knew that love would be alone. He entered her apartment and hid in her bathroom for her to come home from work. When she arrived home, he told her he wanted to make love. When she resisted, he put her in a wrestling hole. And this is a quote where he says, I kept a hold on her until she passed out. And at that time, I moved her to her bedroom and removed her clothes, and I'm not gonna give into all that. Yeah, um, he pretty much did choke hold, and yeah, I'm just gonna let it end there. But that's pretty much what he said about the Caroline Love situation.
SPEAKER_01Crazy. But the police are in shambles at this time, and they don't think it can get any worse until March 9th, 1994 rolls around. Brittany Henderson's boyfriend came home and he found her dead and strangled, had no idea what happened. And on the same day, in the same apartment complex, Betty Baccom was found strangled and dead in her bed as well. So Betty's car was actually missing, and this is where he messed up right here. So he started getting sloppy, and the detective started picking up on it because now you're taking cards, you're taking cars, everything. So the car was found not too far from the crime scene. So they went immediately downtown and they processed processed it. And Wallace was really smart, he was a trained killer, so he knew how to wipe the crime scene down, and you know, he didn't leave any fingerprints anywhere. But where he messed up was is he slammed the trunk shut and he forgot to wipe the trunk. So they're dusting, dusting, dusting, dusting, and they finally they see like the side of his palm, it's almost like where his pinky ring finger and middle finger made contact with the trunk. And they were able to pull that print right up, and then they were able to run it, and they immediately got a hit. And when they hit it, they found out that it was Henry Lewis Wallace. So now we have a name. And the only thing they could find in their his bat his background was like a bunch of petty crimes. And the same mugshot that they came across that he had the same cross earring in his ear as he did. So they were just like so now they realize that this man was all over the place and right in their face the whole time. This could have been the same man that was making your tacos as a detective while you're you know you're running around doing your investigation. He knew all of his victims personally. All of his victims opened his their home to him. Southern hospitality opened him with welcome arms and he betrayed their trust. So, like I said, the black community decided to come in and they were like, Look, like I we think we know who it is. People start talking to people, they start all realizing that every single person knew who he was. Like my aunt knew who he was. Like it, you know, he was a very well-liked person. So I just thought that was like super interesting that he was right in their face and right under their noses the entire time.
SPEAKER_00They actually already had a warrant out for his arrest, too, by the time he got him for the murder. And the crazy part is when he got on for the disposition, is it is it's gone bloodline. So, first of all, they get him for the disposition. And at first he's like, he's thinking that, oh, they're getting me for the uh for the test. So he tried to make it seem like, oh, yeah, it's only you know what I'm saying, y'all give me for the test, it's okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'll admit to that, this, that, and the third. But then they're like, nah, we got you for everything. And this is the evidence we got. As soon as he did that, that's what he went and told everything. He said, Well, there's good Henry, there's bad Henry, bad Henry, and there's two different Henry. And when I tell you, I was watching that disposition. I've never seen somebody so disconnected from the other side of him. If that makes sense. To do with him, but he understood, but he understood that it was like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01He was like just extremely callous, and he talked about it. He's like, Well, you know, it was very, you know, like that. He was like, Well, you know, um, so this happened, and this is kind of how I did it. But like, here's why, and this is why I feel like I did it.
SPEAKER_00Like, he was literally jumped from first person, like I don't know if you've seen, but he jumped from first person to third person like a bunch of times. That was weird. Like, oh yeah, like I to like Henry would, like, you know what I'm saying? Henry would, and I'm just like, okay. But um, I think some of the mental illness going on, a little schizophrenia, probably. Yeah, the first rape. Did you hear about the first rape in Washington?
SPEAKER_01Was it the prostitute?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when the the prostitute took three of his service members' uh rings, and the he she says that she was keeping him until keeping those rings until he paid her. And so they couldn't get the rings back, so she knew him, so she let him in. And then he just could have gotten the rings back, but no, he didn't. He decided to section.
SPEAKER_00That's where he played out, yeah. That's where he played out his fantasies. And then you know what's crazy is so you remember how you talked about before, um when you talked about like, oh yeah, like it was his friend's sister that he tried to rape. Yeah, so actually he did it again where he raped one of his friends, but he actually killed her. Yeah, so like when you look at the connections and the connections that went through there, uh it was crazy. Another one, he admitted and said, I didn't even want to kill her because I looked at her like like a little sister. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he was a sick puppy, and you said he got the death penalty, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he did get the death penalty without a doubt.
SPEAKER_01That's what I thought. Yeah, he was definitely just a sick puppy that needed to be put down.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, 97. He would it it was it was done. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, Dr. Umar. Yeah, some of them are gonna have to be put down permanently. Yeah, he was one of them. Yeah, I can't rehabilitate that.
SPEAKER_01No, you can't rehabilitate. Like, people who do stuff like that, you really can't. And unfortunately, y'all, we wish that we had some really dramatic, drawn-out court case. But the judge looked at him and was like, Yeah, but you're deaf. But it's not slam the gavel. We're out of here. Who wants pizza? Like, it would really just not at all.
SPEAKER_00That I'm gonna say the sad part is is like when he was going through the court case and like he was like pretty much admitting to all this, and he pretty much thought he said, To be honest with you, it was not their fault, it was not anything that they did, they didn't lead me on or anything like this. Truthfully, I didn't even have a reason to kill them. For him to say and look the families in the eyes, he said, I'm sorry, I just didn't even have a reason to kill them. And the families, I think one of the family members screamed back, so why did you? Which is understandable, like, but why did you? But like we say, he's a sick puppy. So that's that's the that's what I had on him, and just like reading through his notes of like going through of like all the people that's close, the connections and how close these people were. It's just like, bro, what it was pretty wild.
SPEAKER_01Like, I I don't I don't even know what to say. Like, this is probably one of the weirdest court cases that I've ever seen. Just not court case. Huh?
SPEAKER_00Not court case, murders.
SPEAKER_01Murders, my bad. The court case was open shut.
SPEAKER_00But no, the crazy part was his first victim was supposed to be his ex-wife.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I did see that. Um, and it was because um like he was mad at her for leaving. So he actually was sitting outside of her house and playing to break in and rape and kill her.
SPEAKER_00But then she just didn't come to the door. He said the opportunity just didn't arise.
SPEAKER_01It just didn't arise, which is like what like what changed with these other women that made you feel like this is what you needed to do?
SPEAKER_00So from like his desperate, like when he was talking and everything, he said that well, pretty much once murder already kicked in, because like he the the hatred for his mother had grown so strong, because I think that's what it was, and it transferred over. So it's like a transfer of like hatred. I don't know how that works, but I'm he said that at first he hated his mother. Then he went down and went at first, no, it wasn't just like a hate for her, because at first he loved his ex-wife because she accepted him and like she tried to nourish him and you know, trying to think like she tried to hit him, you know, honestly, like she tried to hit him. And but then once the sex got rougher and things got this way and that way, it's like he was like, all right, look, like you know, I'm I'm pushed away. So that love that he was getting, and then it got removed from him, he felt like it was the same way, it was even worse than what his mother did, because at least his mother never showed him love. So he took that same hatred he had for her and took it over to his ex-wife, and he couldn't do it to his ex-wife. So then every other, he said that every other pretty much person that he raped, he envisioned it to be his ex-wife. And then just asked.
SPEAKER_01I saw that. I was like, oh my god, this man really can hated her. Like he is like really, really needs help. Like, I'm so glad that mental health care has really come a long way because this probably could have avoided been avoided. First of all, he needed some antidepressants.
SPEAKER_00We could have, we could have been a whole lot further. Like, I ain't gonna lie to you. Like, for the jail system to be the way it is, and it's supposed to be a rehabilitation, I ain't doing too much damn rehabilitating me. Nah, nah.
SPEAKER_01Actually, it's funny you say that because that's what I wrote my graduation paper on. Like, that was the last thing I had to write about. And I ended up going on a basically a rant saying like the criminal justice system is bullshit when it comes to rehabilitation because no really rehabilitation is going on. Y'all just put them in a cage and you do make them do like forced labor, shit like that, and all the things that other people don't want to do. It's indentured servitude. I'm connecting it back to the constitution and how this is really fucked up and wrong. And my teacher was like, A plus.
SPEAKER_00It's even worse than that. Because if you want my honest opinion, what we like the jail system, actually, you know what? I think that's probably gonna be my next case. I'm gonna look at one of the cases about like going into jail for a petty ass crime, a small ass shit, and then you get into jail, you will be a whole lot worse than what you come out. Because think about it. Imagine you go in for like let's say a non-violent drug charge, but then you're stuck in there inside the community with everybody who has killed, murdered, raped, do the worst possible thing in the world, and you are told to fend for yourself. You have to either find a gang, yeah. Pretty much like you have to find a gang. You need allies. You cannot walk into that system of fucking life and not have allies because you are going to be hated, you're going to be picked on, but not in like, oh, you're being like, you got a bully. No, you are going to be picked on as in prey, preyed upon. That's the right word. You're gonna be preyed upon, and then you expect that person to leave with a better mindset that they came in with and enter back into the world. Does it make fucking sense? Yeah, don't worry about it. I'm gonna have to catch you off. Alright.
SPEAKER_01You you got your next case?
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna find it.
SPEAKER_01I saw something that was really disturbing actually. Um, right before we got on. I don't know if you've had a chance to check your phone, but I sent you a case. It's happening in Pennsylvania. There's this guy up there, and the police are picking apart his basement right now because they have found over 100 skeletal remains. And also, they've been having a problem with grave robbing. I don't know what y'all got going up there in PA Delaware type situation. But there's somebody robbing graves and also like hiding body parts. And I tune in, okay? Like, chime in in the comments, tell me what the hell is going on up there. I saw there was a couple of reporters who looked at our TikToks. Like, if you are the one from the uh Pennsylvania like I think you are, comment or message me and tell me what the hell is going on because that's weird.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_01And I'm so sorry you have to report on that because that's awful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's a message out. Somebody gotta do it.
SPEAKER_01Do you got anything else?
SPEAKER_00No, I see, I see, I see, okay. You know what I'm saying? The sun coming out, make sure you make sure you're catching the uh the sun while it's out, uh have some joy in your life, eat some oranges.
SPEAKER_01That's a good advice. Eat some oranges. Um, take your allergy medicine, asthmatics, pump your allergy. Good job, Larry. You already know what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00Good job, Larry. If you know what you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_01Good job. But like, yeah, go outside, have a good time. I'm looking at my dog right now, she's being so cute. But um, go outside, have a good time, guys. Be safe, always watch your back and give me remember, it's never the person that you don't know. It's always the person you know well. So be careful, be mindful, and have some fun. Uh, follow us on Instagram at true crime underscore os, or follow us on TikTok at true crime underscore os or on YouTube at true crime and other shit. Okay, and watch out for our shorts and our social medias when we're posting things about updates about the cases we're finding, stuff like that. Um also rate us five stars on Apple Music or wait, Apple Podcasts or on Spotify. Like, just help us, okay, because we're trying to grow. We're starting to get to the next level of the podcast where we're starting to be able to ask for ads and ask for ching. So please go ahead and rate us, share us with your friends, and um, I guess be good until next time. Okay, bye.