Bring Her Back

This week Rudy is joined by Jacob Gomez to discuss a movie that Rudy had never seen before, Bring Her Back! This is the second feature directed by Danny & Michael Philippou and boy is it unsettling! Rudy and Jacob will talk about the slow burn dread that fills the runtime of this film, the explosive acts of violence, and what their favorite horror movies are as well as what upcoming horror movies they are looking forward to most. 

Follow the podcast on Instagram at @didyouseethispod

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Welcome to Did You See This with Rudy Martinez. I'm your host, Rudy Martinez. Today, joined by Jacob. Welcome to the show, man. What's up, man? Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah, bro. Excited to have you. Yeah, you and I we've known each other for a while. I mean, uh, just you know, we've seen each other off and on for many, many years.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Probably 2012, graduate.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, bro. Uh follow each other on we've, you know, on social media, we follow each other, this and that. Um and then you're getting old. Getting old. We are getting old, bro. It's been a long time. And then I yeah, and then I I I asked you to come on recently. Uh, because I mean I've known for a bit now, but I remember I think it was earlier in the year, maybe late last year, I saw you posting about like horror movies you've been watching, and I was like, oh shit, this guy's like he's like in like I I think you'd always kind of posted about movies you were seeing, and I know I'm like, Oh, he seems like it was the movies a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

That's cool. My favorite genre, like horror's it's just that's where it's out. And even if it's like the shittiest horror movie, like you just always gotta go for the kill scenes and just you know, see how creative they get with it. Entertainment, man. It's entertaining at the very least, usually. Like Final Destination, all those movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah, yeah, I love those movies, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

All like the kills, like they're coming out with one too. It's a new one in 2028.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Yeah, well, the recent one was really good. Blood uh bloodline. I really, really like that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

That one's pretty sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Well, was your favorite death in that one? Uh probably the like it was like the MRI machine, like the when the guy gets I was like, damn, that's fucking brutal. Uh yeah, dude, that that's cool. But yeah, I noticed you had you were watching horror movies and a lot of them, and you were going like basically seeing everyone that was coming out. And I think I had reached out to you on Instagram, just like we were talking horror for a little bit, and I was like, and then I ran into you at the theater for I think Blackphone 2.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

We saw how'd you like that one?

SPEAKER_01 2:05

I did, I liked it, I liked it. I didn't like it as much as the first one, but I thought it was cool with what they did. Didn't be it's the original. No, dude, the first one's like super cool. I like that one, but I like I thought what they did with the second one was like making it more like supernatural, like more the first one was was super natural.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

It's kind of like Freddie Krueger, the second one.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Pretty much. Um, so that was pretty that was a cool way to like bring that back. Yeah, I ran into you then, and then uh, you know, again, I've seen you continue to see horror movies, you know, often, and and I just said fuck it, you know. I like talking horror movies and see if you're down to come on. You were and now you're here and it's good to talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

I saw the mummy too last week. I know I was gonna I was gonna ask you about that, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

I was gonna ask you about the movie. I have I'm gonna see it, I think I'm gonna watch it on Tuesday, but uh I'm excited to see it. Uh how was it? What'd you do?

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Honestly, it's probably the most glorious movie. Like I have Letterboxd, and I have like rate all my movies, and that one's my number one. Like they went all out. The director, he's the one that did Evil Dead Rise. So I really that's a really cool movie. That's why once I saw his name on there, I'm like, oh shit, like I gotta watch this and see. And I honestly wasn't Evil Dead kind of movie. I didn't really see it as a mummy movie, right? That's what people have been saying. It's not that's why it has like shit reviews too, like Rotten Tomatoes. Like, I'm big on that too. I always have to read the reviews just to see if it's a good movie or not. And a lot of people were hating on it because it doesn't have Brandon Fraser in it.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Yeah, it's been mixed. Uh yeah, and I saw like all the social media for it was like Brendan Fraser is not in Lee Cronin's The Mummy. And I was like, you know, and then obviously like it's been it would kind of got I feel like it kind of got shorthanded because like I feel like there was a bit of hype for it coming up because like the trailers looked really like brutal. Yeah, and then they announced they're making the new mummy with Brendan Fraser coming back. I think it's coming out in 2028, maybe, or maybe it might be next year actually. But and I feel like that kind of like shit on its kind of shine a little bit because like now everyone's like, oh, we're getting the mummy movie that wait, we actually want. Um, but I'm excited to see it. I like I really, really liked Evil Dead.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

Honestly, I feel like because this movie is somehow like flopping for some reason because it's not being marketed right. But if they would have just put the director's name saying, like, oh, the director that did Evil Dead, I feel like it would have brought more of an audience. But when you're looking at numbers, like it's not really doing it.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

It's hard. And it did yeah, it's it's hard sometimes, like you never know, like with horror. Like the good thing with horror is too like they can they make them relatively cheap anyway. So even if the movie doesn't, I think it was I think it made like 10 or 12 million this weekend, which probably they would have wanted more, but again, like I think ultimately it'll it'll do fine because they don't they're not super expensive. But yeah, I've heard like it's maybe it's not so much a mummy movie, but maybe more in line with the Evil Dead stuff. Um, but that yeah, everyone's everyone is in you like agreement that it's like fucking brutal.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Like I want it to succeed. Like I have like my own um, I think it's IMBD where you can just kind of put all the movies throughout the years, and I always try to look at the budget, and then I know like the 2.5 rule that it has to make that in order to succeed succeed. So I'm like, damn, if this movie makes you know that 2.5 budget, it'll succeed. And I thought it was a good movie. I hope it succeeds, and you know, I'm sure it'll do all right.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I want a lot of people to go watch it. Yeah, we'll see. But uh, but yeah, I'm excited. I'm gonna go watch it on Tuesday. I'm excited to see it. So yeah, I saw I saw you post it about it and I was like, oh yeah, I was like, if he saw it. I was like, yeah, I was like, not for the week.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

I'm like, I believe it because it's a long ass movie too, but it picks up pretty fast. It's like two hours and yeah, I saw that it was long.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

I was gonna go over the weekend, but then I was like, oh fuck, it's like over two hours. I was like, I'll probably go Tuesday night.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

I was like, it'll, you know, and I watched it in IMAX too, which was even better. Yeah. Because I think it's Palm Promodale. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right, but it has the biggest IMAX in San Diego County. Oh, the promenade down there, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I just drove with my friend and we just busted a mission because I wanted to see it in the best quality and the best, you know, screen.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yeah, yeah. I'll usually go when I if it's a movie that I really want to see in IMAX, I'll go like to the yeah, the Mir Mesa one, uh the Regal Mira Mesa, they have a really good IMAX theater there too. Um, but again, sometimes it's like if I want to make that drive, do I want to go? But or Dolby, have you experienced the Dolby? I haven't seen Dolby yet, dude. I haven't done a Dolby yet. I want to, but once I went to Dolby, I haven't went back. You haven't gone back? I go to the UTC. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. You make the you make the mission. Yeah, I mean I would more if I could if yeah, I want to. I there's like there's certain like like upcoming this year, there's um like the Odyssey. I want to in Dune 3. I want to go like I want to go see, I might go see the Odyssey because they have like a really good IMAX theater in um Irvine, and then they have a really good one in like on Hollywood and Universal, like Universal City Walk. Yeah. So I already told my wife, I'm like, I think for that one, I'm gonna like we're gonna have to go like are you a Regal guy or AMC? I go to I mean, Regal's closest. Um we go to the Angelica a lot too, the one that I ran into at. We go there a lot. Um, my you know, we all my wife loves the um the recliners and all that. Like she likes the luxury experience, yeah. Um but like I'll I yeah, we go to Regal a lot because yeah, I think the closest AMC is in like the the mall right at the or downtown, or not downtown, but more San Diego.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Um so honestly, I haven't like been to the Escondido mall. I I feel like I want to support it, but they're yeah, I don't their seats are worn down.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

I don't go there that often. Usually if I go to Regal, it's the either the Mir Mesa one or the Carlsbad one because they're it's a little bit nicer. I like the Mir Mesa one because again they have the IMAX theater and they just redid their IMAX theater, but now they have like recliners in the IMAX theater, so that's why I really I like that one. So if I can get to an IMAX, it's just the showtime sometimes for IMAX. I like to go Thursday nights, yeah, usually like I want to see it like I don't know, I'm just like impatient. Oh, that's how I am too.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

I always go to the premiere on Thursdays. Yeah, sometimes I have the app and you can get even earlier access, like sometimes on a Wednesday. Yeah, they'll do the like the Michael Jackson coming out next week. I'm gonna watch it on early access for Wednesdays. Oh no. Yeah, you just could go through the app and you know sometimes you get a day or two early.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Yeah, sometimes I do that too. I think like Superman I saw like Tuesday Monday or Tuesday because they did it early and it was in IMAX, so we went early to the Mir Mesa Theater. And um I was like, I saw Superman was sick.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

You get so much hate, I don't know why everyone I liked it a lot.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

I you know, I'm not a big Superman guy in general, but I thought I liked that one a lot. I thought he did a good job with that. So I'm excited to see. I know we got and then super Supergirl later this year, too.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

So that's yeah, I'm gonna watch that too. She gets a lot of hate too because they kind of reference her as that guy from Toy Story. Oh, what's his name? Sid. Oh man. Like that's fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

The internet's mean, man. The internet's mean. But um, but yeah, man, so uh yeah, a lot of good stuff coming up this year. But um, you're here today to talk about a movie that I actually had never seen until this morning. Uh and you've seen I think of now four times. Yeah, I did four. So it's this is uh Bring Her Back directed by the Philippo brothers. Uh this came out last, I believe it was like last May. Yeah. Um this is uh another like A24 horror movie. Pretty uh it's a pretty fucked up movie. Um these so yeah, these guys I like, I liked a lot. They're YouTubers too, originally. Yeah, the I was looking, I was watching some of their stuff, uh that rat their Raka Raka YouTube account. They did a lot that a lot of very like comedy horror, very like violent, like just like horror, like but like very comedic, like fun kind of uh videos that they would do, just over the top, violent. Um, and I was watching, and you know if you watch interviews with these guys, they're just like so like ADHD, like they're just all like they're just they're funny and they're laughing, they're joking and they're like poking each other. They're twin brothers, which is really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

It's a cool, like, so they're this is their second film too. Their first one was um Talk to Me, which I love. That one still gets me to this day.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Yeah, Talk to Me was was awesome. I saw that one, I watched that one last year. Um, and yeah, that one had you know, because sometimes like there's like those these like independent horror movies come out, they play like at the festivals and they get a lot of buzz, and then like they're super hyped up, and then I'll see them and I'm just like I probably should have saw it sooner. Like it was getting hyped. Like Talk to Me was it was hyped for a long for several several months before it even came out, and I actually didn't I didn't even see it in theaters because again, it was just I just it just felt like one of those movies to me that no the theater experience, yeah, it was crazy. I wish I had seen it in theaters, like oh and I why I watched it at home, um, and I wish I had seen it in theaters, but I I I don't know what it was. Like, but to me, it was I think it was just me being like snobby about it.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Like, I I remember like I felt like it was like kind of corny, the trailers.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Well, I honestly I never even really seen the trailer, like I'd seen like clips of like parts of the trailer, but I never like watched it, and I was like, I don't know what this is. Like, I don't I don't know, like it was just it just seemed I don't know something about it. I was I was just being a fucking brat about it, to be honest. Like I just didn't see it, I missed it, and then I watched it at home, and I I was like, this is like fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Like it's that one scene where he's in the hospital and it looks like he's getting like pulled from hell and all those things are pulling him. Like that shit gave me chills. Like I wanted to leave the theater immediately.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah, that that um yeah, talk to me I love a lot. Uh I defin I probably would I definitely want to do that one on here too. Like, because that that movie felt more in line with like if you watch interviews with these guys or watch their YouTube stuff, like it it's still different because it's it's definitely dark and it gets fucked up, but like it's like it's like a party movie, it's like a teen movie. It's kids like at a party doing like doing just like a playing with like demonic supernatural shit. Like it's but like they do it in a way like the way the camera, like the way they direct the scenes, the way the camera moves in that movie, it's so like different. Like I very like it's super original. I just I hadn't seen anything like that in a while.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

Yeah, they're brutal, those directors, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

They're Philip directors. Like both films are 10 out of 10 for me. Like they haven't missed. Yeah, I love Talk to Me. This one, I um I did like it a lot. Uh, I probably like Talk to Me More. I definitely like Talk to Me More. Yeah, but this one, um it's basically there's no humor, there's no like levity. It smells more dark and emotional, I feel. Yeah, it's a lot more somber. Just very like there's very little like room for levity or like nobody's happy, nobody's having a good time in this movie. Yeah, um, and I pre- I you know what, but I do appreciate them doing something different, not just making the same type of movie. Yeah, uh, I know they're like they're working on a sequel to Talk to Me. Um, they could they could have easily just made Talk to Me 2. Yeah. Like because the f Talk to Me did so well at the box office, it got such great reviews. Like they could have easily just capitalized on that, made a sequel.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

That Asian Blind Girl 2. Um, that was her first time ever being in a movie. Like she I feel like she killed it.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Yeah, she did great. I I yeah, that that aspect too. I so this movie, I'd seen the trailers for it. Uh, you know, they were playing all over the place. The trailers were like creepy. I remember like fuck this looks kind of this looks fucked up. Um, but I did want to see it, yeah, and I ended up missing it in theaters. And honestly, like I was kind of put off by the movie because uh you know, I've talked about it in the show before, it's kind of super cliche, but like since having a daughter, like I love horror and I'll I tend to watch most of it, yeah. Um, but like movies with like demonic children in peril, like that I like I I like I'll watch stuff where kids are in danger. Like, I'm not like if a kid's in danger, I won't watch it, but there's like a certain vibe that the trailer gave me about the kids in danger, and I was just like, I don't know if I can handle that. Like, and like the the poster was freaking creepy, like of the the Oliver kid, like with the red eyes. I'm just like, man, this looks like some just like evil shit. So I I missed it. I was gonna I did want to watch it, and then ultimately, like, you know, the it also came out in May during the summer, so like that's a busy movie season as it is.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Honestly, the trailer didn't even like get me to want to watch it. I feel like the trailer didn't give it justice. And I had to look at the Reddit reviews and I had to look at the um Rotten Tomato reviews, and it tells you, like, oh, there was some crazy like kill scene, and there's some crazy like gory scene, and based off people's reviews, that's what kind of drags me to the movie, like the substance, for example, with Demi Moore. That one was probably one of the craziest movies I've ever seen, too. And the trailer also doesn't give it justice. But once you like look at the Rotten Tomato reviews, that's what kind of brings you into the movie. Like, oh shit, that happened.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Yeah, yeah. The trailer definitely doesn't like it's a very unsettling trailer for bring her back, but it like I was when I was watching the movie today, I'll be like, Man, like they feel like the trailer did the trailer did not give me the sense that any of this was gonna go down, like the way it did. The trailer's very like mysterious and again unsettling and creepy, but there's not a lot of like what is what is happening in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

Yeah, sometimes that could be a good thing too. Like, you don't want to know all the spoilers. Yeah, I'm glad.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Because yeah, like sometimes they'd release especially horror movies, like they'll release a trailer and they'll give away everything, like they'll just throw out the best scares in the trailer to obviously get butts and seats, but then you go in the movie, you're like, Oh no, like that was the best part. We already saw all of them on the trailer. Um, so I I appreciated that. Uh, and again, so yeah, I watched it this morning, and and yeah, I I liked it. I I didn't like it as much as Talk to Me, but it like they did a good job of like I was definitely unsettled. I was not like I was uncomfortable. Like, yeah, it's there's it's I like that knife scene. Man, man, these guys are they're yeah, I I that was brutal. That was brutal, that was brutal. It's it's yeah, it's or the table scene too.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

There's a lot of a lot of teeth horror, uh a lot of teeth violence.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

I don't like teeth, I don't like nails, like anything that has to do with those part, like that part hits me every time.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Yeah, man. Um, but yeah, so the like the general premise of the movie is uh Sally Hawkins plays a woman named Laura, she's a grieving mother who's uh you know lost her daughter, I think in the in the in the recently uh in the last year, and she fosters these two teenage children, uh older, a 17-year-old uh boy named Andy, and his uh I think she's four thirteen or fourteen-year-old sister uh Piper stepsister, and she's uh partially or mostly blind. Um she's able to see like shapes and light, but she she's mostly visually impaired. And I think it could be in the opening of the movie early in the film, their Andy and Piper's dad dies in the shower under kind of mysterious circumstances. And so they're fostered with this girl Laura, who's a former child therapist who I think worked for like whatever institution that helped place them with her, you know, since they're minors technically.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

She killed it too as a crazy lady. Oh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

And and and she's usually like this is a role that I have never seen her done. Like, I think recently she's famous for like these uh those Paddington Barry movies. I was about to say, like, she's all like a nice character, but bubbly brutal friendly, and then now she's like totally twisted in this movie. Um and in I mean the movie opens with like that kind of like snuff film, which we're not really sure what's going on, but we then we literally we realize that we're seeing it's like an instruction manual on how to resurrect somebody. Yeah. And in this movie's universe, I I was watching reading some interviews where like the brothers were talking about how like they you know they watched other stuff about like re like resurrection or bringing people back from the dead, and they they decided they were gonna make their own kind of rules to it. Yeah. And uh so that they proceed to make like a really fucked up version of how to bring someone back from the dead. Um, and the movie like slowly, really slowly kind of returns the like you know, reveals kind of what is going on here.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

It's like a slow burn at first, but it does pick up the second, third act.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Yeah, I mean it's again, it's it's super uncomfortable and it's very psychological, like the first act for sure. Um and so Laura takes these two in, and then we she has a another kid uh that she called her his name is Ollie, is what she tells him, and he's uh mute, doesn't speak, and uh very kind of uh just it seems he seems a little odd when you first meet him, but he's just he's they just you know he's mute that he lost his family, so uh there's you know it seems something seems off, but nothing seems sinister yet. But then right away um the way that Laura treats the older brother Andy, you start she's already like taking him out of the pictures, just wanting to take one with the girl, and then cutting him out or whatever. Yeah, she's essentially proceeds to like gaslight him for the remainder of the film, and you're just like and this kid is already like fucked up as it is because as again the movie goes on, we find out that his dad, you know, used to beat the shit out of him uh and favored the the sister, and you know, he's 17, so he's already dealing with the just the the the the troubles of being a teenager, and like you know, like and I really thought they did they did a good job casting that guy because like he looks young, like he kind of has like some of the acne like going on in his face.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

Like he just they listed both those actors, the sister and him. Like they did phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

They're both great. Uh even the the Ollie, the kid, like his performance is insane. Uh and yeah, like the four main characters in the movie are all fantastic. And um yeah, you know, the move like the the initial, like just the the way that Laura gets like she's you you can tell she's using her uh former profession as a child therapist, like whatever tools she used to help kids before, she's now using it as weapons against Andy. I mean all of them, but in particular Andy, because there's she you know, and she's supposed to be their guardian too, and she's weaponizing that as well.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Like, I'm here to protect you, but she's also doing like shady shit too.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yeah, she's like pissing in a in a cup and like pouring on his pants to make him think he's like peeing himself. She's like spiking his protein powder. Yeah. Um, like so he's just he just feels like crazy the entire time. And the like there's that there's the scene when they go to the dad's funeral and she's like uh pressuring him to like like kiss his dad on the lips. Like he's like, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

She's like, do it, do it.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Um just like I'm just like, dude, this is so like this is just wrong. Like it's it it it was fucked up. Uh and but I mean yeah, like you're you're just you're watching this kid like his mind unravel, and like again, he's also dealing with the fact that like his dad like not that his dad did this to him, but his dad was like mean to him and prefer prefer the daughter, and Laura's doing a similar thing where she's like pretending to be nice to him, but like is like then like subtly like doing this shady shit behind the behind the scenes to like screw him over, and then she's like preferring Piper, the sister, like taking the phone.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

He's like holding back too because he turns 18 in three months, so all the little jabs she's doing, he you know has to take it, otherwise he can't get his sister back.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Right. So he wants to apply for guardianship when he's 18 to take take uh guardianship of his sister, and uh uh yeah, like you said, Laura's trying to he he has to basically have a clean record. Uh you know, I think he got into some trouble when he was younger. There's a hint that he I think hit her, that he maybe he had something to do with her uh her blindness.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

I think he was sleepwalking, if I'm not mistaken. I think he sleepwalked and then he hit her. Yeah, something.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Yeah, he he the movie does a like the movie does this thing where it's like it doesn't really give you all the answers, like it just there's little hints of things that may or may not have happened. Like wants the audience to kind of yeah, create your own story. Um like it and it doesn't just outright tell you. So I appreciate that because a lot of times these movies will just, you know, with a crayon draw out for you everything, everything that happened, why it happened, who did it, when, where, like, and you're just like, oh, like I don't like so this this movie there's definitely a lot of like mystery, and I think this I I'm sure you know you've you've watched this movie several times. I'm sure as you've gone through.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

There's still some scenes too that I'm having trouble like understanding or even trying to get answers for. Yeah. I have to look at people's reviews, and they all have different reviews, you know.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, and the directors have even said like there's things like like we have our answers, but like there's you know, if you watch the movie, there's little hints into like some of the answers maybe you're looking for, but there's some stuff we purposely like just left vague, and which I appreciate. And I think a lot of the rule, like the supernatural rules they've said they've left vague, and but it's a really like like interesting way of the whole resurrection, like the process, and and uh you know, uh the movie could goes on and the the the Oliver kid, like again, he's he's got a he's got a strange mark on his cheek and um a similar mark to what we see earlier in the movie. So the movie like the like I referenced with opens with like this VHS like snuff film almost like a cult yeah, and it's it's essentially it's a ritual that we'll see later on in the movie that sh Sally Hawk the Sally Hawkins character is trying to do, and and we discover it's like actually like an it's not like a found food it's like an instruction manual that she's somehow gotten a hold of and it's it you you're seeing these people they're like they're strangling this this person and then there's off to the side there's somebody who's seeming clearly possessed devouring like eating a corpse yeah and like just crazy to see how far like a mother would go to her you know child back. Yeah and then it's revealed that yeah so the the the process for resurrection the movie is she the Oliver kid is revealed to be possessed. She believes Laura believes that it's she spoke to an angel but clearly it's a demon. Yeah. So the demons possessed Oliver and he she has to find I guess the cr a vessel that she wants to put her her dead daughter's soul into and the process basically is she has to repeat the the kill the new the the the live person in the same way that her the her daughter died. So drowning and then while that happens the possessed person will eat the corpse of the person she's trying to bring back. Yeah. Basically like I guess it it they devour their soul and then will then like throw that soul up into the the person that just got recently anytime Oliver eats something or buys something he mimics it.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

So he eats a cat he starts mimicking like cat noises or he bites somebody and he mimics their voice where it's like you can't tell who's in the other room because he sounds just like them.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Yeah that part got me yeah it was a real that's a really creepy uh power. Yeah just a really fucked up way to I guess for resurrection but uh on brand with these guys um and so yeah so like in I I think the the whole crux of the movie is Laura's trying to get Andy out of the picture. So she's doing like we talked about she's in the beginning of the movie or no so after like Andy wakes up the first morning and his pants are wet. He thinks he's like he doesn't remember what happened and we're kind of like oh like you know maybe some of like the psychological stuff like is grieving for his dad is like fucking him up and he's you know wetting himself at night or and uh like then you we then the next night or after the funeral uh Laura like uh decides to let them all get drunk with her in their house so they're drinking and she's like fake bonding with him with Andy and then he passes out drunk in his room and then we we find out the source of Andy's wet pants and she's like she's pissing in a cup throwing it on her yeah and that's crazy. Insane and she's yeah she she's doing something with this protein powder she's just saying things to him that are just that that he's so confused by um and basic just she's attempting she's trying to drive the brother and sister apart yeah and then find a reason to get rid of him so she can go on with her her plan to bring back her daughter. And again even like the subtle things like before you even find out how the daughter died like you know Laura had they have a pool in their backyard but the pool's drained we don't really like know why and then you oh well she's drained because she's probably you know the guilt of her daughter drowning back there. And we notice there's like a white painted line around the house like a a shape of a circle. That's kind of what keeps the demon inside yeah and um I I guess the first really horror scene in the movie is uh after after we f uh we find out how Laura's been fucking with Andy and throwing the piss on him she takes Piper out shopping. They're gonna have a girls' day and she tells Andy to leave Ollie in the room and then he Andy see like discovers that Oliver's locked in the room and he's like yeah he's like why don't why would she lock you in here and uh he so he he like breaks the door open and asks him if he's hungry tries to get him to talk and bond with him and um he starts cutting cantaloupe with a knife and he tells him too if you want a cantaloupe or you want a piece of this fruit like write something down since he's mute and he writes down the name bird. Yeah yeah bird and he writes it as yeah bird and which is like when I first watched I was like what like did he eat a bird and then I'm like oh oh like okay like this movie again doing this movie does like little subtle things yeah just gives you a little hint like okay here's a little breadcrumb pay attention and it'll it'll make sense later uh and so he writes bird Andy cuts him the fruit and then Andy's gonna go tries to get him like a plate or a fork to eat his fruit and then Oliver grabs the he's holding like a butcher knife with the fruit like stabbed at the end of it and he grabs like the blade of the knife brings it closer and then Andy like is goes down to like grab look for a plate or something and when he and then you just hear off screen like this like clanging crunching you're like what the fuck is that Andy goes back up and Oliver is chewing the blade like with his teeth and you just see like you see like it's slicing through the gums and his tooth is I'm like I was yeah I was like I watched it I was like what the fuck what the fuck is this dude like every time I see it gets me every time and like if the camera's on his mouth like chewing the knife and it looks real too like they did the effects are really good the special is pretty real it it's fuck it's fucked up it's fucked up and I was like that's wrong Andy's out you know rightly so freaks the sh freaks out and uh stops him and tries to rush him to his car to take him to the hospital and when they cross the white line on the perimeter of the house Andy starts like seizing up and like convulsing and uh or sorry Oliver does and then you know the demon's like get me out of here and um then that's when that's when Laura pulls up with Piper and she's you know freaking out what what's going on and she rushes him back inside and says help me too like once he breaks you're right through that white powder like he's the demon's kind of wearing off and Ollie's kind of coming back and he's like help me but Andy doesn't see it as like he's being kidnapped it's just more so like I'm in because he's in pain.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Yeah something's wrong with me.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah so that like that whole I'm like oh fuck like what is what is this movie and uh Laura uses it as more ammo to like you be angry with Andy and um just from then on she's just continuously like like just psychologically torturing this kid. And then we see like off when she's away from them she's calming all of her down by you know like rotating like using her finger to like rotate circles like around his head and like like a lot of like circles in the movie like a lot of that's like that symbolism and just like hiring the music too and he's like already coming back screaming crying yeah who are you or am I yeah and does a hurry and do that ritual. And yeah so she turns the music up in the room locks him in there so other kids can't hear him screaming and then just kind of gives you like oh because when they when Andy and Piper first walk in her house she's playing music extremely loud like it's so it's like well what was she doing before they walked in there because clearly she's that's like kind of like her trick to hide to mask whatever it is that's going on whether it's all of her screaming or something else. Because she does it again later in the movie to to hide something else cover up her tracks for the other shit that she gets gets into when the uh social worker comes to visit them so it's like okay like again like they do like little subtle things like that where you're like oh okay like that's her little trick I guess let me turn the music up so you can't hear this kid screaming um yeah and then she feeds him like the hair of like the their dad's hair that she cut at the at the hospital and then she feels him like in the shower like he's starting to feel like the dad's presence but it's just Ollie like he just has that power. Yeah um yeah and this causes Andy to to slip in the shower pass out and then uh he's freaking out Laura decides to use this as basically she tries to convince everyone that he had like a psychological break. Yeah and so he's in the hospital and then like she makes that comment to him where she's like oh like that when your dad died your dad just died in the shower after I killed him like yeah I can't say I didn't catch that the first time with a second tongue what the hell she just said she killed him. Yeah and then I I was even looking up I'm like did she kill him because the dad so the dad slips in the shower and they make like the kids make comments about how he was um he had had I think he would go into like cancer treatments uh chemo and all that that they thought he was getting better so then it's I guess we're led to believe that that was one of her the cancer or like well like the cancer is what killed the dad and then uh then again Laura makes that comment to Andy in the hospital and it's like was she making the comment because she did kill the dad or was she making the comment because she's just trying to fuck with him some more because even he's like wait what'd you say and then she like just like repeats it but doesn't say the line where I killed it. And some people are like well yeah like if you if you see like when you look at the body of Andy's and Piper's dad like the mouth is kind of like bubbling like vomit similar like it's like what happens with like uh Oliver or Andy and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

She's like I think she did kill him because she found the perfect candidate of a blind girl her daughter was blind.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Yeah that's kind of the that's kind of the yeah that's like the the online theory basically now I got that I think that tracks like she targeted her she would have had she used because yeah she worked with like the with the social workers so she would have had access to like I see these kids' files and yeah um since it I think it sounds like they've been in the system already so I'm assuming she you know she tar she found the dad and found a way to get get him out of the picture. That shit crazy yeah yeah um so he she she feels like she's gotten a chance to get get rid of Andy and so Andy's in the hospital and then and then he tells Laura like keep her out of the keep Piper out of the rain like uh my dad says she's gonna die in the rain. Yeah uh and so like it just and it's like the like there's almost like a it's like a dark comedic cut because she's like yeah I'll I'll don't worry I'll I'll keep her out of the rain I'll keep her inside and then the next scene she's immediately taking Piper outside let's go outside and play.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Like it's just it's fucked up man the dad was Ollie like talking as a dad or do you just think that was just part of his dream of the dad trying to talk to him?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

I feel like it was yeah I don't know it's hard to say because like I I I feel like it has to somehow be tied to the whole like she feeds Oliver the hair of the dad so I assume she does she did that with the intention of like you know because if you consume like right because if he consumes something he can like mimic them so I'm assuming it was like malicious on her on Laura's part to make Oliver fuck with with Andy versus like Andy just you know and then I I think obviously Andy's are she's got to be kind of like he's was trying to help him saying like oh don't put him in the rain that's why it's kind of confusing like Oliver if it was him or not like is he still in there trying to help or maybe yeah because I mean we you get those little the little moments where Oliver comes out you know is able to kind of speak out away from the demon that's in him. Yeah. Yeah it's interesting. Yeah that's why I kind of like again at the the move like the the directors they did a really good job of like keeping it purposely vague like it could be this or maybe like is it is it the demon just being malicious and being like you know because playing playful and fucking with them or is it all of her like like oh like let me try to get through to you as your dad to help you like escape this you know who knows um but either way she gets Piper to herself and then we get the reveal that she's keeping her daughter's corpse in a freezer in the in the shed and like she's like making her touch it and obviously she can't see it's like oh it's me don't worry yeah and then like this the just a pan out to reveal the daughter's frozen body in there I'm just like these poor kids like it's just like it's just the whole she punches her too that one time. Yeah puts all the blame on yeah because Andy comes home and like she's like yelling like you know I mean at this point where we know she's a terrible person. We know Laura's a terrible person but when she's like in the car like I can't believe they let you they love let you come home after having a psychotic break what were they thinking but clearly she's mad because she thought she was she Andy was out of the picture now for for the time being and now she needs one more like an idle another final manipulator. Yeah dude literally and and uh yeah like there's this terrible scene where Piper's asleep and Laura puts on like uh Andy's like his like axe break I guess body spray that he wears I think and like I guess to so she could smell like think it's him from the smell yeah and Piper's sleeping and I was pretty smart that she did that and then Laura straight up just punches Piper in the face runs away and it wasn't even a light punch she looked decked her yeah Piper has a black eye and then she's trying Laura's like trying to make it seem like Andy did it and uh and then because because earlier in the movie Andy made a comment about how he had punched Piper when they were younger and uh that you know it was an accident or he didn't mean to whether like you said whether it was like a sleepwalking thing or something was going on with him and a hint that maybe that led to her vision problem. I I mean who I don't I don't know but there was an incident where that involved him punching her so that I think she's now weaponizing that like oh I you did it once before on accident and trying to just turn them against each other. Yeah she knows Andy doesn't want to leave so she's like in order to get Andy out like this is basically the the culmination of all of the shit because he's he's losing his mind and he flashes out at Laura finally uh he starts I think he's like trying to record Oliver outside and shur into like a little mini demon you catch it for like a split second that part was pretty crazy. Yeah that was frightening you see it two times there's one in the bathroom it just shows you for a split second and then the one outside yeah like damn that's what he is yeah it's pretty it's terrifying he's that the kid that plays Oliver does such a great job because he's terrifying the entire movie like especially at this second half where he's like it's become he's becoming less and less human yeah like his stomach's getting bigger like because his head is like getting deformed like red veins all yeah yeah he's just becoming less more monstrous and demonic and uh after this like fight scene basically where where Andy's he's basically like he's about to beat the shit out of Laura and then Piper stops him and uh Andy's forced to leave so Andy goes to the social worker yeah to try to get the and and then when he's there we see an image we see a picture a missing photo of a kid named Robin Bird. Yeah B Y R D uh I think yeah and then but that's what he wrote on the paper with the knife.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Yeah kind of comes to his lenses.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

And then and then obviously because Oliver is has a buzzed head and um he he has a buzzed head and it's like it's it's dyed you could tell it's like a tied like a poor dye job like he tried to make him like redheaded but he's shaved head and then the kid the the missing poster you can tell it's clearly Oliver but he has really long hair. Yeah and Andy notices this brings it up to the social worker that placed them with Laura and just telling her like this kid is there. Like did you guys even do a check before you sent us there and obviously like they're like no because Laura worked here for years and years as a counselor they they there's like a level of trust yeah so they didn't do any due diligence because oh we Laura's also tricking the girl too saying like oh he has long like orange curly hair like catching on like yeah because Piper runs into her runs into him in the bathroom and and she like feels his head and she feels the buzzed head and when then she asks Laura what kind of hair does Oliver have and that's what she says like brown curly hair or red curly hair yeah Piper immediately clocks like something's off and imagine though like being blind and someone's probably gonna kill you like yeah you don't really have much options. You can't really see where you're running yeah that's pretty frightening um and and at this point Oliver's starting to get like he's getting impatient the demon's getting impatient and wants to eat and is like I think she sends Laura can tell that all of something's that it's getting bet worse and that she needs to like take action quickly so she sends Piper out for the day to go like for like to like the YMC area version and she finds Oliver like he's like has the fridge open he's like been eating everything he's like biting the like the plastic of the milk cart like he's just there's uh he the other lovely tooth tooth horror scene where he's biting like the wooden countertop oh that like taking chunks out like you see like teeth getting stuck in the wood like I'm just like it's like snapping out. Yeah I'm like like and make it worse he bites the skin he's just pilling it yeah all the way back damn it's bad it's it they yeah the the prosthetics the practic the practical like gore effects in the movie are that's crazy for two like youtubers for them to just put that in the film and like make it look so real like you gotta give the Phillip brothers props for that. Yeah dude they they they know how to make shit look unsettling and and make like like at this point it's become it's like full blown horror like and we've like and we've discovered that the tape that the tape that she's been watching is like an instruction manual on how to how to do this Oliver's possessed by the demon that's gonna do like the transfer so yeah we know he's gonna eat the body of her dead daughter Kathy and then we'll throw up her soul into Piper after Piper after Laura drowns Piper yeah uh and that's how she'll get her daughter back. So she has to like yeah there's like that really cool shot where you know because uh Oliver bites Laura and then Laura like gets him outside and there's that cool shot where she's like doing the circles like on the rain on the window and then he comes up and just gone. Like there's no more there's no human in that kid like his eyes are like bloodshot red and now he bites her too and he turns on her and she just she knows like she can't control it. So she got to speed up yeah her process is basically once Piper's back from uh from from or that she goes to pick up Piper and rushes her home because they they've got to do it now at this point that there's no there's no more time like the demon's basically not going to wait anymore and Andy convinces a social worker to go back to Laura's house to do a wellness check essentially and um not believing him at first either because of his history you know right because he's got he's had some gotten to trouble and then on the way there he calls Piper and leaves her a voicemail apologizing for everything and and ri uh confessing to her about the abuse that that he got from their dad that she never knew about because he hid it from her and just apologizing and telling her that he loves her and of course the uh Laura gets a hold of Piper's phone and hears it so she knows that they're coming and she's able so she begins cleaning up the house and preparing. Yeah um and like it just this is what like it just all goes so wrong these last it's like the last like 20 minutes it just goes terribly wrong where the social worker shows up comes inside does the check and Laura basically she makes Andy wait in the car Andy sneaks out and is watching from like afar through like the glass windows and sees like that like it's not like basically she's Laura's about to get away with it and then as the social worker's leaving um she notices that Laura's bleeding and then she's how to fix her hair and burn herself up. Yeah and uh she's now she's quite and then Laura finally like can't contain it anymore and like tells her like basically tells social worker like I found a way to bring her back like her meeting her daughter Kathy and uh Kathy like she's the social worker like freaks out runs out and then Andy leads her to the shed where Oliver is eating Kathy's body eating her eye up yeah they freak out there make a run for the car and then Laura bashes through the like basically has got this point has gone her car and runs over Andy and the social worker big ass like SUV. Yeah and like smashes the social worker against into her car and we see her smash body like briefly and then Andy's injured kind of laying in a puddle and Laura drowns him and kills him I'm just I was like oh my god like this probably I didn't expect him to die to be I didn't either I thought he was gonna kill her but I'm like fuck they killed him killed him off already I'm like this movie I was like this movie's mean as fuck like this kid has been getting tortured all the last hour and a half and then he still dies like I was like damn dude like these guys are fucking mean dude like yeah I I did not see that coming I assumed maybe he got injured I thought maybe he'll still come back at the end and he'll like save her nope he's dead he died and uh then she go Laura goes to pick up Piper rushes her home and um Piper starts to sense something is off this is when she again the reveal of that of she feels Oliver's head and she's starting to get she senses that something's off with Laura and she hears a phone ringing and no like she's like Laura's like oh I changed my ringtone and then Piper manages to get away from Laura runs into the bathroom and finds Andy's body and uh par low key you got me that was fucked up that was like you just see her like crying and sad and she's alone and like look like how's she gonna get out of this situation like she's again look yeah it's like she's one she's younger and she's visually impaired so it's that's already scary enough as it is like she can't and uh Laura's been fu is fucking with her and leading her the wrong way and telling her the telling her lies and again she can't see so that's like how did she get out of this and she's locked herself in the bathroom and then Laura gets the key breaks in Piper tries to get away she like throws something at Laura we're like oh fuck yeah she's gonna get away shot runs into a pole knocks out Laura drags her in Laura's dragging her into the pool to drown her now. Yeah and And then she manages to trick her by calling her mom because earlier in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

That part I didn't get because when you watch the movie, it says Kathy's voice, it says mom. That's why I don't know if it was Maybe that's like what Laura's hearing. Or if it's Oliver. Yeah. Like I don't know if the girl went inside her for that split moment or if she actually was trying to trick it.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

I feel like the ritual was starting to work, and then she got interrupted because she stopped. Yeah, Laura's drowning her. But earlier in the movie, Laura puts on one of Kathy's puts a sweater that used to belong to her daughter Kathy on Piper. Yeah. And then like their hug, she's like, thanks. And then Laura tells, like, creepily tells Piper, like, Oh, you can you know you can call me mom. And she's like, uh, maybe. Like, and then uh, yeah, so as she's drowning her, Piper says mom. Either it's Piper or the voice of Kathy, whether it's whether it's Oliver fucking with Laura, or if it's the the ritual starting to work, like the soul is starting to enter into Piper. Um, it's not really clear, but Laura hears it, kind of she freaks out, stops drowning her, and then Piper's manages to get away.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

That part she just wanted to hear her daughter say mom one more time, and that's kind of what snapped her back to being like a decent human.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Like, what the fuck am I doing? What am I doing? She's crying, yeah. It kind of stops her, gives her a brief moment of clarity. Piper manages to escape. Oliver chases Piper. They start getting down. Yeah, he's like trying to eat her, and then she like manages to fight him off, runs away runs off onto the road, and uh, you know, as a like a car, random car sees her, gives her help, and then Oliver follows her out and crosses the line again. And yeah, at this point, like he's like his skin is hanging off, his head is deformed, his stomach is like a pregnant woman.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Like it's this huge Imagine too, like as he's waking up with his teeth and his arm, like all that pain hitting him at tenure.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Yeah, and so as he's out there, he's convulsing and seizing, and then this is obviously this is the demon leaving his body, and it cuts you know, later on it cut that the police arrive at the house and they find uh Oliver, who is we're you know, we know now is Robin Robin, the min who the kidnapped kid that Laura kidnapped for this ritual. And um he's like all of uh Robin now, he's like his stomach is back to normal, his skin is back to normal, like his face is back to normal, his mouth is still fucked up, but yeah. But he's like he's he's like his eyes are normal, the mark is gone, so he's back to normal. And then they cops ask him his name, and he does say his name's Robin, so it's confirmed that that was a kidnapped child, and they find Laura like in the pool holding the her dead daughter's corpse. Yeah. Um real downer ending, like it's just it's a dark, like I'm like this crazy. There's no like Piper, like okay, like it's just like her brother's dead, like she just lost her dad, her brother's dead, and she just almost got drowned and possessed by a another soul, like, and then you know, like the lore the ending for Laura is like laying in the pool with her dead daughter's body. Yeah, Robin's probably gonna be traumatized for the rest of his life. Like, nobody, nobody's having a good time in the movie, but it's it's good. I mean, I I yeah, it ended. I was like, wow, like these guys, that was that was that was dark. That was pretty dark.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

And how I found out it was Piper 2, actually, was as she's in the car, she sees a plane go passing by, and her brother tells her that in the very beginning, like you don't get buried or you don't burn, you just catch the next flight pretty much to heaven. Yeah. So when she saw the plane go over or she heard it, she knew, like, oh, my brother's he made it to heaven. Yeah, he's he's good, and she smiles at the end, you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

Yeah, that's like her the one moment of peace, I guess, that the that the characters are allowed. Uh yeah, that's a good catch. I remember, yeah. I do remember him telling telling her that after the dad. Um but yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

Do you feel like the movie was trying to like explain, or what do you think the whole purpose of the movie that they're trying to do with it?

SPEAKER_01 47:55

I don't I don't think they wanted to explain too much. Uh I think um, but I think that's like a again, that's like a moment where you can kind of you can take that, right? You can be like, okay, you know, earlier in the film he mentions the whole the catch the next plane.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

And yeah, I think I wrote this quote down, I gotta find it, but it kind of like hit me a little bit how someone else explained it. And um pretty much said the Phillip Brothers message of the film was about grief. After someone we love leaves us, it's no longer them that suffer, it's us, the ones left behind. I'm like, yeah, like that part got me.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Yeah, and they talked about how in crafting this movie that I think when they were in the midst of writing it, they had a family member who had lost uh their kid, like a two I think they had they had someone lost like a two-year-old. Yeah. And he said he remembers everyone at the hospital like holding the like like having their hand on the kid and in the hospital, and then that the last one to hold him was the the kid's mom and how like how like like how did they recover from that? You know, they'll never recover from that basically, they'll never heal from that. And then that would kind of I think help them break the lore character down a little bit and get develop that character. And then um leading into the movie, like right but like when they're when they're right before they were gonna start filming, they lost a really close family friend, the person who was dedicated at the end of the movie. Well I was wondering who that was. Yeah, that was part of their family friend. Yeah, it was a close family friend who died suddenly and tragically, and uh they said that really kind of even though the movie like the script had been written and they had the cast in place and they were getting ready to start filming that that definitely like loomed over them and I think even just added to more of the mood, overall mood of the movie. Uh huh. Um so yeah, I mean and even in Talk to Me, they deal with grief a lot, like the main character is grieving. Obviously, the whole the whole the main character is trying to talk to her, wants to talk to her mom, I believe, uh like the whole time. Yeah, like that like gets too deep into it. Like, so they've they're exploring it even more so here. Uh, and that's kind of a recurring thing in horror recently, especially like with A24, like the whole like grieving and trauma, like and uh you know I'm I'm honestly getting kind of tired of it, but I think in this movie it's it's done in a really good way. Like it's it it it's been I think it's kind of being done to death recently. Like I think I'm ready for it horror. This one just had a really good storyline, like overall, it's not just all about like butchering and killing the person, and it's the performance too, like Sally Hawkins as Laura. Like, if that if she's not working, like the movie falls apart. Like it's her performance that makes me feel like, you know what, yes, it's another movie about grief and trauma and blah blah blah blah. But like sh again, you've you've you can believe you believe her as a grieving mother, and you know, we've all grieved over different things, we've all lost people, or you know, most of us could can relate to losing somebody close to us and what that does to you, yeah, what that does to your head and the shit you do because of it. Um, and so yeah, and sometimes she like and I think they even talked, the directors talked about how like you know, there's no right way to navigate grief, everyone kind of has to do it in their own way. Obviously, there's healthier things you can do, and yeah, it's not always easy to do that right from the get. And they're like obviously the Laura character is like the worst version of how you can cope with your loss and and but not accepting it still trying to make a way, you know. Yeah, and uh that that's you know it's hard, right? Because especially like as you know, anyone, if you live any leave you lose a loved one, all you want to think all you think in your head is you want them back, you know. So it's like what and and I'm sure anyone if given an opportunity to if there's a real a way to to bring the person you love most back, like a lot of us would probably think about at least consider that, like, hey, you know, I don't know, like like especially if you know who knows like how where in the process she found she found this tape too, like if it was right away, if it was month down the line, like if it you know, like maybe you lose some of the.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

So I'm like, damn, was that supposed to be part of you know the whole ritual?

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Yeah, I'm guessing so. Yeah, that was and it just was going a little a little messy getting messy at the end there. Um yeah, I saw too that the brothers said that that this movie they feel like it takes place in the same universe as Talk to Me. Yeah. So they're like, Yeah, we we think so. We think because and then there was like a I think it's like part of the marketing campaign. There was like some like there was I saw this image where it's it's apparently the Laura character is like online, some like dark web website where she found she's found the tape and like purchased it, and like I guess she she like comments saying like I have the tape, I've done the possession, like I don't know if I want to go through with it, and like all these comments of people like like oh like another like you know back you can't back out, like don't don't mess with it, like you got to go through with it now that you have it, like you can't you can't fuck with it. And um very kind of similar like vibes, like the like the kids that like they're the people that are responding to her, like very similar vibes to the people, like to the kids that can talk to me. How like there's just like that, like just the way like the they like they don't fully know like the capability of what they're what they're fucking with, but there's like okay, here's like the three rules that we just have been have been rotating around party to party, like with the hand and talk to me. How like can't do this, don't do that. It has to be this amount of time. So that they feel like, yeah, you know, there's if there's a hand, like a uh possessed hand floating around, like that you kids are fucking with at parties. There's the younger brother too didn't want to listen. I low key was hoping that happened to him.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

Didn't want to listen.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Yeah, that's what she got. Yeah, man. That that was uh so I'm like that's that's cool. That that's like a cool that's a cool idea. I mean, it makes you know, if you're you know, and then now you know if there's a possessed hand floating around, there's probably a demonic tape rolling around the internet that people can do a possession. I'm looking forward to like another movie that they come out with because they're they're doing an amazing job. Yeah, I'm excited. I hope they get something out soon. I know so funnily enough, before Bring Her Back, they were actually gonna direct Street Fighter. So there's a Street Fighter movie coming out this year. Oh yeah, I saw that. Which look at it. Oh, they're gonna direct that one, they were gonna direct it. Uh they had so they had signed on to it before they were gonna do Bring Her Back. Uh, and I think they said it was just like Bring Her Back was ready to go, and they they wanted to do bring, but Street Fighter was also ready to go. And they were like, they were like, fuck, like they really wanted to make Street Fighter because they said they're super passionate about it. Um, but they're like bring her back. So that's like our we could that's like our story, our like our original idea. Like we want to that was a priority to them versus like somebody else. And they're kind of like in the horror world too. Yeah, so they were like they they said like they really want to make Street Fighter, but they're like ultimately it was between that or our own baby, but which was bring her back. They're like we chose we feel like we went, we went with our our idea versus like you know, Street Fighter while they were passionate about it, it's not their property. Like if that's a more excited for Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat? Um I'm honestly like I've I've always been a big Mortal Kombat fan, but I I I'm excited for Mortal Kombat 2 because I think they're gonna they're finally gonna do like they're just gonna they're doing the tournament now, like and and we're gonna get like the tournament movie that's now rated R. Yeah. While I did I like the first one that came out a couple years ago, um I felt it could have been better, but I'm glad we got like a hard card. Just killing everybody off though. Yeah, and so I think now this one, like it's just gonna give us exactly what we want. Like it's a tournament, it's just gonna be the great fight scenes, I hope. Very violent, killing characters, like just make of the game. Street Fighter though, like I've I think they're sick, but Loki looks like a parody a little bit. It looks yeah, like it looks like it's not taking itself seriously, which is fine, because like again, it's it's a game about these crate, like these random cast of characters that are all gonna fight in a tournament. Like 50 Cent, got Cody Rhodes. Like, I feel like they're they're yeah, they're definitely leading into like the this we know this is ridiculous, we know this looks ridiculous, but let's have fun with it. So which I'm I'm happy. Like, I think they're both it's it's kind of crazy that we're getting both Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter at the same year. Like I wonder what's gonna perform better out of both of them. Yeah, I think Mortal Kombat, because I think Mortal Kombat 2 that comes out in May, and then Street Fighters October. I feel like Mortal Kombat 2 will probably do okay. It'll do pretty good because I think the first one, like it came out kind of during that COVID year where like it was released. Yeah, well, it was also released on HBO Max the same day. Oh so it was like it's it was like in theaters, but but it did really well on HBO Max. So I think that's what told them okay, there's an audience here.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

So I think it had like a $55 million budget, the first one. Yeah, it didn't.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

It made like $35 or didn't make a ton of money in theater. I think it did all right. Ultimately, I think at the end of the day it probably it got like 80 or 90, which again, not what they probably wanted. They probably wanted a few hundred million dollars, but I think because it was such a big streaming movie, like that's what told me, okay, people want to watch it, we'll, you know, we'll so they made the second one. So I think it'll do good because again, it it's given the fans what they want. But I'm curious about Street Fighter though. I'm curious if people are like, this looks corny or like I don't know. I think it looks fun. I'm like, I'm I'm down. Like, yeah, honestly, like it does look pretty sick, like yeah, just parody of it and I like the cast. The cast because the cast of Street Fighter, like, it's just ridiculous. Like, okay, 50 Cent is Balrog, like the Sumamoa's uh fucking Blanca, like you know, but like it's kind of like what are we doing? But I'll just say like Andrew Soles is in it. Uh no, they're just trying to make fun of it and yeah, give the audience something funny, you know. I'm excited, but like I like watching that trailer, I'm like, this looks cool, but I I can't I I totally want to see what it would have looked like if the the talk to me bring her back guys did. You think they would have made it more like serious? I think no, I don't think it would have been serious. I just think it would have been I think like the direction would have been much different. Like I just again think watching like Talk to Me and how they move the camera and talk to me, like seeing those guys like direct fight scenes with that kind of vibe would have been cool. I wonder if they would have tried to make it uh they you know, I wonder if they would have tried to have make it rated R. I feel I think Street Fighter is probably gonna be PG 13. Yeah. Um, but I I wonder if they would have tried to push the envelope of like the violence they can get to with it. So, but I mean again it look it street fighter looks fun, and honestly, like as much as I would like to see them do a Street Fighter, or I think they had an interview too, were like, Oh yeah, we had a secret meeting with Marvel. Like, as fun as that could be to see them do like a superhero or I'd rather them continue to make original. Yeah, that's why I want them to succeed in the movies so they can just keep making more and more. Yeah, like I like you know, I know it's like and especially like online, like with the whole like nerd culture, like a uh director comes out and makes a really cool, interesting movie, like original idea, and right away everyone's like, Yeah, let's let's get them on DC or Star Wars. And I'm just like 10 years ago, I was like that too, but like lately, I'm like, you know what, guys? Like, there's we're gonna continue to have Star Wars and superheroes and video games, like those movies are gonna get made. We're not like it's not every day we're getting these really like awesome original ideas, like talk to me or bring her back. Like, let's let these if these guys got original ideas and they're gonna make them like to this level of quality, like yeah, let them do that. Like, they'll they can make a Marvel movie like in 15 years, like they'll well.

SPEAKER_03 58:49

The person I directed in the movie Shang Chi, like how he did all the fighting sequence, he's gonna be directing the Spider-Man. That's what everyone's like all about directors, because they're like, damn, like he did such an amazing job on the fight scene on um Shang Chi.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Yeah, it and that's what uh that's what excites me too. Like, because if like with Marvel, it's like they'll they get these directors that you know maybe made a smaller movie that worked like character-wise or story-wise, and then you know, Marvel brings them into their machine, and um, you know, they kind of tell directors, directors have said, like, you know, Marvel will bring you sitting and say, like, just focus on the actors, like, we'll take care of the the fight scenes and the visual effects, and like, but I'm like, but the whole thing, like, I you like you want a director that has like a style to go in there and kind of make it their own. So that's so those movies all don't feel like the exact same thing every time you watch them. And I think like with Shang-Chi, while I liked it so much, I don't love the the third act of Shang-Chi so much. Like, I think it got a little too crazy for me based on just where the first two acts were. Yeah, because I love the first like hour and a half of Shang-Chi. I'm like, this is fucking amazing, like just straight up fighting. It's just like a kung fu movie. Like, it's like, let's do this. And like when they when they announced that that guy, Destin Daniel Critton, was gonna make the Spider-Man movie, I'm like, oh yeah, like that's a great idea. Like, he has like he's like a good director. He's made movies before Shang-Chi that are really good, yeah. Um, like short term 12 and smaller movies like that that are really like cool drama movies with good characters. So I'm like, yeah, he he's a good director just without the special effect stuff, but he did a big movie and he was able to bring some like original flair to Marvel like 30 movies in finally. Like that that's cool. Like, let's because I I I like the the original Spider-Man trilogy, like not the original, sorry, but like the the first three Tom Holland movies a lot, and there's a lot of good movies. Who's your favorite Spider-Man? Uh yeah, I guess as I get older, honestly, I I you know I think it's probably gonna always be Toby Maguire, but I'm a big fan of Tom Holland. I think well, Tom Holland's the only Spider-Man that hit four films, yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean Andrew Garfield barely got he got two, and they were like, You're done. Toby, they were like, they tried to get four done and they couldn't do it. Um but I'm a big fan of Tom Holland. I think and I think what's good about like I always make the joke about Toby Maguire, like Toby, that I love like those, especially the first two Spider-Man movies with Toby Maguire, I think are they amazing. Yeah. Um, but I always make the joke like, dude, he he does he never looked like a high schooler. Like he looked like he was older on 35 years old in the first movie. Uh whereas like and then Andrew Garfield, I like Andrew Garfield a lot too, as as I think he was a good Spider-Man. I think his movies, they were messy. Yeah, that's not really his fault. Um, but I think as like a because the thing that with again with Toby McGuire, he had the nerdy look, like he looked like a nerd, but I just thought he always looked too old. Yeah, um, whereas Andrew Garfield had a younger look, and but his Peter Parker was kind of cool, like he was a cooler looking person, like with the skateboarding and all that. But I I thought like he he was almost like ADD, like he just like couldn't keep his mouth shut. Like I thought he got the vibe of it right. It just is maybe the movies weren't as good, but I think Tom Holland's been because he just he looks so young. Yeah, like they I looked Tom Holland is probably the best Spider-Man. Yeah, he's I mean, I I think it's a Spider-Man that I've wanted, right? I've wanted Spider-Man to be in the Marvel universe. I want him to interact with characters and be on the Avengers, like and do his thing. Like so, like I'm happy, like I'm happy with this version, and I'm glad like it's this it's Tom Holland Spider-Man that's like a we're the one that going on the journey with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

Who do you think Sadie Singh's character is gonna be in brand new day? Man, it's gotta be the the thing is gonna be Jean Grey, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

That's what everybody's saying. That's what everyone's saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:23

And they're gonna have the mutant saga, so I feel like that's probably the perfect way to bring her in.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Yeah, I mean that's next. And then I'm I'm glad the guy who did Thunderbolts is directing X-Men. Oh, yeah. I think Thunderbolts, that was like that's the best movie they've made in a while, Marvel. And it sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

That movie flopped too, didn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

Yeah, it didn't do good. I mean, they've just it's just the it's it was a casualty of the fact that Marvel's just been, you know, they've been undercooking the movies lately, like they just haven't been delivering.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

They probably could have had a better lineup with the team as well. Like, obviously Sentry is pretty OP, but they should have probably had more like characters that had power with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

Yeah, and I think I think the problem too was like a lot of those characters came from like phase four stuff or like the Disney Plus shows that I think people were on board with in the beginning and then kind of like gave up on them at at the end, and so everyone's like, Wait, who who's who's John Walker? Who's who's ghost? Who like who are these people? Like, I don't uh you know, like movies they just didn't see or just don't remember. Um but I I I mean I I thought that was uh you know, speaking of you know, grief and trauma and all that, but like that that movie I feel like is one of the more mature Marvel movies that have come out in a while, and they managed to make like a deliver a really entertaining like blockbuster superhero movie, but also like it's actually about something, yeah. And like I'll you know, again, I I'm I was so sick of Marvel and their every movie had to end with a giant CGI battle and and some light in the sky and something blowing up in the sky, people flying. I'm like, I'm like, dude, Thunderbolts, the final battle ends with a group hug. That's how they save the day. Like, that's why I was like, that's like let's do like I'm good, guys. Like, give me a cool action scene in the beginning, give me a cool one in the middle. You can have little, like, I don't I don't need like I get like just like a lot of dialogue and yeah, like just make the character like we like we know we're gonna get the action, like yeah, like we don't need to like make it a big CGI fake, you know, looks like video game graphics. Like, I'm like, we don't need that. Like, we've we've gotten great, like you guys have given us great battles over and over, and it's we can't. Did you like it better than Fantastic Four? I did. You did Fantastic Four. I I liked I wish there was more action in Fantastic Four. It just yeah, but I thought the best stuff in Fantastic Four was like the domestic stuff, like the stuff between like Reed and Sue, and like I think the casting and the characters were all good. Yeah, I just think I think Galactus was a bit underwhelming. Um Silver Surfer was cool, but yeah, I just I thought they're just yeah, the act it wasn't very exciting at all. Like I thought like it, like yeah, the action was just not was not there. Like and again the big fight scene at the end. No, I mean what was it? Just them running through a build like this. Yeah, I I don't know. Like I I I wanted to love it, and I'm I you know it's like I and I I guess it's technically the best Fantastic Four movie we've got, but because the other ones are just not good at all, like is that really made the most money too out of all of them? Yeah, I mean I I again I didn't I didn't dislike it. I just the trailers I was really excited with like the vibe of it, like the whole like retro future like 60s vibe. Like I thought that was really cool to do with them, and again the casting I thought was exciting. Um being on the MCU so they can embrace the whole comic bookness of it. Um but again I I I walked out like that was alright. Like it's probably like I'm like seven, seven and a half out of ten for it. Like I'm not like over the moon for it, which is a bummer, but uh um but I'm still but you know what it's fine because Marvel's done this before where they've like again, like even like uh Captain Marvel. Like I didn't love the first Captain Marvel. I liked her as Captain Marvel. That was crazy that movie made a billion dollars. Made a billion dollars, but it was post Infinity Warrior when they were untouchable. Like Marvel could not miss after like up until endgame. But So I'm excited to see what the Fantastic Four are like in Doomsday because the Russos are coming back, and those guys I feel like know how to take the characters to the next level. Like they know how to level up the character, maybe the characters that you weren't like super stoked about. Uh you know, before bringing all the old like X-Men characters, that's what I'm pretty stoked about. I'm excited about that, dude. The teaser that the X-Men teaser that they dropped last year with when they're showing Cyclops like in the comic accurate outfit. And I'm just like, dude, dang.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

Just waiting for like the trailer to leak already.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

Because they showed it at I think Comic Con. Yeah, I was reading the descriptions, man. I'm excited. I'm excited because again, like we're finally getting Shang-Chi back. Like, yeah, I've been waiting for that guy to come back since his first movie. Like they've been slacking on that. And then Shane Tatum's Gambit, I'm excited to see. I think they have a fight scene as part of one of the leaked descriptions. Yeah, is that Shang-Chi and Gambit have a fight? I was like, that's that's exactly what I never knew I wanted that, and now that's all I want. Yeah, I'm excited. So when it comes out with um Dune 3, you're gonna choose Doomsday? I'm probably gonna go Doomsday first, and then I'll see Dune. Uh, most likely. Um, but it's gonna be a crazy day just for theaters. Yeah, it's gonna be wild. I'm wondering, yeah, I'm I'm hoping they'll do like a uh because I I know that the big debate was like, is Doomsday gonna are they gonna move like because the whole thing is like Dune has all the IMAX screens. Oh yeah, I saw that. And Doomsday doesn't, and like people thought, oh, maybe they'll move Doomsday up to like get like a week of IMAX, but they're like, nope, we're coming out. Um, but I'm hoping maybe like they'll like do like a limited the week before for IMAC.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

And they're just doing it like international, but yeah, even at Cinemacon too, they said they're gonna come up with their own screens at the end of the year. I saw that. Um it's kind of like the Dolby, just more enhanced.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

Yeah, they're just gonna like yeah, direct people to the best way to watch it, which you know again, either way, I'm excited. Um I'll probably see Doomsday first because I have to know now. Like I think for for a while, like I was kind of like whatever, like not whatever is, but I just I was like, uh, I'm gonna see Doomsday, but like I need to see what they're doing because I just you know the whole Downey Jr. of it all as doom and how'd you like that? When they announced it, I was definitely mixed. I didn't hate it, but I was just like, I don't know, man. Like that I just feel like they could have there's more there's interesting ways to do that. And I it just seemed like a come on guys, remember as you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

Remember like Iron Man when he died, like that was a big scene, and yeah, it kind of takes that away too. Like, oh you for sure for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Um, it's like what do you guys like what are you guys doing? Like you guys ended Robert Jenny Jr.'s arc in the in Marvel perfectly. Yeah, like why are you gonna fuck that over by Bray, you know, for a cash grab?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

Same with Steve Rogers, like he's supposed to die, and they're kind of sidelining Sam Wilson now.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Yeah, I mean again, it's it you can it's see it's obviously like a guys we're playing the hits, come back, like we're gonna be good again. We I'm sorry, I know these last couple of movies you guys have you guys have all been not loving. Like remember Robert Danny Jr. Remember remember Captain Remember Steve Rogers? Like, come on, guys. Fine. Like, you know, if it works, it's gonna work. And I'll if I can like like the descriptions from CinemaCon where they're talking about it. Sounds like Downy Robert Danny Jr.'s like he's just he's playing Doom, he's not he has an accent, like he's not from another universe, yeah. It's not just Tony Stark I think the whole thing is like it's just Tony Stark, it's a Tony Stark variant. Sounds like he's playing a whole new he's playing Victor Von Doom, he's got the accent, he's wearing the mask. Um so if he's if he's dedicating it, which I'm which again, he's a fucking great actor. Like if I don't doubt for a second he's not he's gonna be bad, like he's always great, like he's been a great actor for a long time. Like it wasn't like the oh that's a like that's a bad actor for the role, but it's just like you're gonna cast the most iconic actor from this franchise as an as like the main villain of an Avengers movie, like that's that's you better pull it off. So I don't know. I mean, if it doesn't work, that's gonna be that's that's fucked up. But I mean again, he's a great actor, so I don't doubt his ability to do it, but it's just is it gonna be distracting? Yeah, which it could be. We'll see. Um, but we'll see, man. I mean, I'm excited about I but I'm looking forward to it, but I'm yeah, doing I'm looking forward to. Um what about so what any horror movies coming up that you're you're super stoked about?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yeah, I just saw the trailer of Backrooms and this other movie called Passenger. Yeah, Passenger. I don't know if you've seen that movie Primate, but the first time I saw Passengers as a trailer, you just see like these two guys trying to get out of the situation that their car you know broke down, one of them's using the restroom, and then he gets in the car, his friend's missing, and then his friend just falls from the sky, and he's driving away, and then you just see some old guy, and it's making like he keeps coming back as he's driving.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

Yeah, it's like it's like it's like yeah, it's like a circle, like he can't see.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

And then he comes in a passenger seat in the passenger seat and he screams that shit gets me every time. That one I want to see that one was pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

So, yeah, when I I did see passenger, uh and or sorry, I did see primate in theaters, and that that teaser came up, and I was like, What the fuck is it? Yeah, it's a creepy. And then uh and then they just released a full trailer for it recently. So I watched that, and uh yeah, I'm looking forward to the passenger. That's good that was good. Primate was a lot of fun too. I was like I'm a whole jaw scene where you just took his whole mouth off. I'm excited. I I'm easy. If you put a movie with like a killer animal or like monster creature, like I'm like, I'm on board. Like, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

There's another movie coming out too next month. Like, we're getting a lot of good movies for May. It's called Obsession. That's oh yeah, I'm excited about that. A lot of people are on Twitter just saying like this one's probably the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

I was playing that festivals, yeah. That's the one. Yeah, that movie looks really cool about the guy that makes that wish that this that some girl would be in love with him, and then she like becomes obsessed, like goes crazy. Yeah, that I'm excited about it. I've heard it's people are saying it's really, really good, so I'm excited to see that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

Uh tomorrow too. Like, I started doing these things too, where it's like a horror movie where you go on a screen unseen where you don't know what the movie is, but you get a week access early.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:40

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

Uh I've seen those on Reddit. It tells you probably like a day or two before, because there's like a lot of leakers on there that tell you. And the one that I'm gonna see tomorrow is called Hokum. I don't know if you've seen the one with Adam Scott. Yeah, I saw I've I saw the trip. That one looks creepy too. So that one's gonna be like the mystery movie. So I'm pretty stoked about that one, but we're getting a lot of horror. Like in May, we got passengers, you got Hokum, you got backrooms, yeah, obsession.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

Yeah, I'm excited to see those like smaller ones. Um and then I know they're making yeah, there's some yeah, some stuff I'm excited for this year for sure. Is they're doing the Jason the Friday the 13th series on Peacock off Camp Crystal Lake. I'm excited about that. Uh hopefully that's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Uh you like the It series from last year?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

I did actually. You know what? I did. I it was uh yeah, I did. I I I thought that was a cool way to do that, and I think they're they're they're supposed to be continuing that, and every season's supposed to go like further into the past. Yeah. So I thought the concept of Pennywise like just kind of living through time, but like, you know, because he's like he's like a d outer dimensional being, so like it's kind of cool. And yeah, I thought that was a really cool way to do it and expand it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:49

What was uh little Hispanic boy's name?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Oh, I can't remember his name, but I loved him so much. And he died. I know that was sad. That was sad, that got me. I was like, bro, you know, of course, they make you fall in love with that guy. Just trying to save his lady, yeah. And then when he comes back at the end, I was like, that's my dog, dude. That's my dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:06

Um that was a good ass series, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:09

It was good. I was it was really good. It definitely they did not pull punches, they were not afraid to kill kids, and it was cool. I liked how I like how they how it built up to to reveal Pennywise finally. Like the backstory we got about him, like the the identity I thought was really good, really well done. So I thought it was yeah, it was a really fun show.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:24

Um also coming out with the Carrie series as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:27

Yeah, Mike Flanagan. I love that dude. I love that dude. Uh all his pretty much all of his stuff I love. Like Hill House on Netflix is like oh that one's pretty good. One of the best shows ever made. Midnight Mass was really cool. Um, and yeah, so he's he's got Carrie, and then he's doing a new Exorcist too right now with Scarlett Johansson.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:43

I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:44

That's exciting.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:45

There's a new paranormal activity coming out too uh next year as well. Yeah. And they're also doing another conjuring. Like last year's was supposed to be the last one, but it made a shit ton of money.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:53

They're doing a prequel now. I think it's gonna be young ed in the rain. Yeah, so that's that's yeah, they're gonna I mean they're gonna keep doing that until I'm just give me more horror films. Yeah, I mean, well, horror's in such a good spot right now, too. And like all of the like all of like the studios have now have like a like a horror division. Like Warner Brothers generally uses uh new line cinema as like their horror division, and like um Sony has screen gems, and they're all like propping up their horror divisions because horror is just doing so well, they could just keep like and again you can make them relatively cheap, and usually they'll make their money back the first weekend if it gets a good if it's a good if it's exciting enough for the audience or again or over a few weeks because they're they're gonna go. How'd you like Sonny buying Warner Brothers? Oh, Paramount, you mean? Oh yeah, Paramount. I don't like it at all, uh at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:37

But were you more shifting for a Netflix to buy?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

I mean, I don't want anybody to buy them. Um I I guess if I had to choose between the two evils, I was beginning to accept Netflix buying them. Um but obviously there was like the worry that are they gonna just shorten theatrical windows or are they you know that's what's gonna suck.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

Like I want movies to stay in you know the theaters at least two months.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:00

Yeah, exactly. Uh 100%. And at Cinemacon recently, the David Ellison, the guy who was running Paramount, was saying, like, oh he again, if it's like they all they're all gonna say this, they're not gonna say what they really want to do, but he came out and said, like, you know, when we when this acquisition's done, we're gonna be releasing 30 films. Paramount and Warner Bros. We'll be releasing 30 films together a year, like we're gonna keep theatrical, blah blah blah blah. It's like a 45-day window or something. And it's like, all right, like, you know, you're saying that, and I hope it's true, but we'll see. Like, and again, like that whole his whatever, you know, who knows what his what his agenda is gonna be, what his priority is gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Um it's gonna suck for the DCU because James Gunn doesn't really like the Paramount owner.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:42

Yeah, I'm hoping they uh let things be, but that's probably not gonna be the case because again, a new owner's gonna come in, they're gonna be like, all right, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't want I want this, I want I like this guy. I'd rather have this guy there, that guy there, you're out. These movies that are in development, get them out of here. I don't want nothing to do with those. You know, so I'm hopeful.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:59

I like James Gunn too as a director, especially with all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:03

Yeah, I'm hopeful, yeah. It's gonna suck if if if you know his DC universe gets fucking gets canned before it even has a chance to go. Yeah, um, I'm excited for Clayface. This that's supposed to be like a body horror type superhero movie, is Rated R. Um, so I'm excited to see what they do there. And uh Mike Flanagan wrote he wrote the script for that movie. Yeah, so I'm excited to see what they do with that. I know I think I think they showed some footage at Cinemacon. They said that yeah, definitely lean into like body horror, gruesome, like a lot of scarring. Yeah, so I'm excited about that. Damn, what about Resident Evil? Oh, yeah, dude. Zach Krager is my guy dying. That's like the running joke on this podcast. Like, I bring up weapons like every episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

Like oh, they're making a prequel of Gladys.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:42

Gladys, yeah, dude. I'm I'm excited for it. I love Zack Krager. Barbarian was a movie that really like caught me by surprise, and then weapons was my favorite movie last year. Like my number one last year was weapons. Like, I loved weapons so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:54

Like they just ripped the lady in parts.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

Yeah, I mean, just it was so it was so well done. And then yeah, now that he's doing Resident Evil, like it sounds like that's just gonna be like a ball to the wall, like just action horror. Like, yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:06

I kind of I didn't read the script, but I saw like a leaked script saying it's only gonna be just a one person.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:12

It's from like one character's point of view. Um, there's several characters throughout, like, there's other characters in the movie, but um, like you're just follow you're basically just following him from point A to point B, and just all the shit that he runs into.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:22

Well, I like a movie that has like a big cask and you start seeing them like die off, you know. So it's only one person, like he gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:28

Yeah, there's people, yeah. I I did read some of it, and there are people die. There's people that die, so there's that, yeah. Cause that's always my concern too. Like, I'm like, dude, like if we're gonna do like a zombie movie or a monster movie, like let's have people gotta die and have a cast of characters. I'm like, I don't want I hate it when these movies like let's let's have a body count. Like, come on, like let's let's have fun with it. Um, you know, I hate when it's like three people like at least one of them's gonna you know only two of them are gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:52

You just need one like good kill scene, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

That's always me. Yeah, I'll watch like these movies like primate. I'm like, oh man, there's only four. I'm like, oh, but then I'm like, oh like I'm like in the friends game, these guys because you're doing the math when you watch the beginning, like, okay, well, they're not gonna kill the they're not gonna kill if there's a little kid, you're like, they're probably not gonna kill the little the the little sister or little brother. Yeah, if there's a couple, they'll probably keep the couple alive. You know, it's not unless unless one of them's an asshole. You know, if they're both night, it's like that that only leaves the asshole, the funny guy. Just killing everybody, the bitchy girl. Like it's like, oh no, let's kill everyone. Uh so I'm just like, yeah, I'm always like I'm always hoping for a body count. Um, but uh yeah, I mean there's a lot of good shit coming out this year, man. Uh and next year.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:31

I think I'm hoping they continue to horror's in a good spot, so continue to to it's like a horror movie like growing up that you got really scared on, but it kind of drew you to like horror movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:41

Oh man, I remember uh my uncle putting on an American werewolf in London, and he it was the the opening scene where the wolf attacks and like just like the the the roar of the wolf. I remember I was like crying as a kid. Yeah, and then that and then I remember the Hills Have Eyes remake. Oh shit, that only scaring the shit out of me too. Like I just would not watch like it put me off of horror for a long time. I was so scared of it, like so scared to watch it. Yeah, I didn't want to go anywhere near it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:09

Um Hills Have Eyes and it's crazy. It's brutal, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:12

It's brutal, it's nasty, it's mean. I mean, I love it now, but like when it when it when I remember that, like yeah, that one, like just like because I had like a I had such bad experiences with it, I was so scared of it as a kid. And then a little last it's so bad, dude. And uh yeah, and then getting older, I think like um the scream movies kind of like I think were a good gateway for me because like they were they were they're violent and scary, but they're funny. Yeah, so I think that really like helped me kind of start getting into it. Like I kind of leaned towards like slashers, like you know, Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddie Kruger. Um, and then from there, because I was and then I you know I was I was scared to watch like anything with like ghosts or like demons. I was like, ah, it's that's too that's too real. That's too real. Now that still gets me the demons, yeah. Um so I was like, I don't know about that kind of stuff, and then I always liked like monster movies, like Jurassic Park, or like, but then like Jurassic Park was like a window to like go into like you know other just other types of movies, and then obviously then I would see like Alien. Yeah, so like I love Aliens, it's like it's like one of my favorite horror franchises of all time is the Alien movies, the thing. Um I love like creature features. That's like that's like probably my favorite of horror. Like I wish they'd make more of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:22

Yeah, um, but I think they're coming out the one called Werewolf that also comes out towards the end of December with Aaron Taylor Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:30

Yeah, Robert Eggers did it, the guy who did Nose Feratu. I'm excited about that. Uh yeah. So I think, yeah, like from there, like just monster movies in general were like a good gateway for me to get into it. And then now I watch mostly all types of horror except uh I don't like like torture porn type stuff. Like I don't really like I don't fuck with the terrifier movies. Yeah, I don't fuck with the terrifier movies. I think that's like I I good for anyone that likes those. Like I know those ones are crazy. I like the terrifiers. Yeah, I think for me it's like it's just a step too brutal. Step too far. I'm like, I just I I it takes the enjoyment out of it, but I like violence. I just I think that's that's like Saw kind of. Yeah, and I I've watched some of the Saws and I do like like I like the recent Saw X was really, really good. Yeah. Um and I've like I rem I watched the first hostel. I like Eli Roth, but some it's not always my bag. Uh but but I don't know. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:18

Like what what are some of the early ones for you that kind of got me and it still gets me is um Jeepers Creepers. Oh yeah, that one as a kid scared the living shit out of me. That's a creepy one. I remember that vividly remembering. The first one, like where he throws the bodies down the um it's like a little tunnel, yeah. He like turns at them, oh shit. And I'm like hoping that they run.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:37

Same uncle, my uncle Steven, who would put all this shit fucked me up as a kid, like yeah, would put on. I remember vividly being like in a we were living in an apartment and he was watching the scene where they're where they run it over on the freeway. Oh, yeah. It's like its wing flaps up, and like like I remember watching that whole sequence of being like, I do not want to be in the same house as this dude. Imagine as a kid like watching that, like that guy is he's pretty scary. Yeah, that was creepy. That was creepy. That that's a creepy one. That's one definitely for sure. That yeah. What about uh Chucky? Did you ever get scared of Chucky? I don't like Chucky, man. My wife loves coming out with the new Chucky too. Yeah, my wife loves Chucky, she loves the movie, she loves child's play. Um, I just I don't know. He I think that one I just it I just don't buy it. I don't like it. He just he's pretty funny, like how he talks, how he kills. I know. Um, and I a lot and he's got a lot of fans. I just for me, I think those ones have always just been like I'm not a big killer doll guy, yeah. Uh but uh but I mean it's an iconic franchise, and uh Brad Dorf, who does the voice, I mean does a great job. I mean he's funny, he's a funny guy. I've seen I've seen a bunch of them and I've enjoyed them to varying degrees, like the whole The Bride of Chucky and all that. Like I've seen those and like they're fun to watch. Like they're I love like those like two thousand, like two thousands, like shitty. I've seen I've seen some of those, those are bad, like Leprechaun, Critters, uh like those like shitty 80s horror movies. Yeah, I've seen those. Um Leprechaun's funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:57

That's it's crazy because those ones, like despite being so old, and there wasn't really a lot of CGI back in the day, like the kill scenes on old movies like that are way more graphic, I feel, than now.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:07

It's all practical. It's all you know, they've got like blood pumps and like prosthetic fake bot, like you know, it those are they they look great. I mean, practical always looks better. If you do a ride, it always looks better. I mean, the CGI stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:19

That's why I didn't really like the new conjuring because I had a lot of CGI, but the first first conjuring was all like practical.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:25

And that one scared the shit out of me. Yeah, yeah. The oh yeah, the first conjuring. That was probably when I got started getting into horror, was the first conjuring. Uh like as like in my adult years. Uh, I remember going to see that in theaters with a bunch of people, and every I was like 10 people deep. And like I remember like it was when I started like realizing like I'm not because I was always just I don't want to go in there and be screaming and jumping. Yeah, and I I honestly don't. I don't I don't get I don't really like get scared or jump. I think my reaction, I tend to laugh, which is probably jump scares don't make you jump. Not generally. I mean not that I'm like sitting there stone facing no no, but but I think like I like the tension though, like I'll definitely get like unsettled, like oh here we but then I think I'm like all right, like I can I think because I watched so many movies, like I've I I realized like okay, this they're setting us up for the release. Yeah, here it comes. Um but sometimes it do work, like what the weap the woman weapons that her in the basement, that got me. I was like, oh shit, you know, like you know, so like she's like under the blanket or something, yeah. It works for sure. But I think uh but I do like I like the more unsettling mood, the atmosphere. I like like the reason why I like directors like Mike Flanagan or Zach Krager is because they're they don't really do the jump scares, it's more like they're just showing you on the scary shit on the screen, and like you're seeing it, like they're not trying to like, and it's just like it you're like you're you're being more scared by what you think is there versus what's actually there, like the dark or shadows, like or how they move the camera around, like how it pans around still. You're like, oh fuck, something's gonna like it's more the unknown versus like where it's like oh a fucking cat jumps on a piano and scares everybody, but yeah. Like Based on Horror. Oh yeah, Weapons was for sure my number one last year. It was like my most anticipated of the year for sure. But I mean, I loved Sinners as well. That was that was an amazing movie last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:10

We bought together. Did you see that one with Dave Franco? I haven't watched that one yet. How is that one? That one's actually pretty good. Yeah, I haven't I haven't touched that. That's a lot of like body horror. I'm really into body horror movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

Yeah, body horror is cool. I like body horror. Um, that's why I'm excited for like I'm excited for the mummy. Like Lee Crone is the mummy right now because I don't I know he plays with that. That movie's straight up Evil Dead part three or something. Yeah, I'm excited for the new Evil Dead this year. Uh Evil Dead. They have a trailer leaked online too for you know the new Evil Dead. Yeah, Burn. Yeah, I'm excited about that one. Um, and they're making another one already, uh Evil Dead Wrath. Yeah, so that I'm excited for that. Uh yeah, man. I mean, Evil Dead's like I the Evil Dead that came out in 2013, the one that Feddy Alvarez did. That one was that one was gnarly. That was almost crazy. That was a brutal one. Did you ever see that one? Yeah, I did. I I saw that one in theaters, and I remember I went with a buddy of mine and uh and he wanted to watch it. I I hadn't really watched horror in theaters at that point yet, like not a lot of it. That was kind of like your opening, yeah. Cause I think because that was 2013, so I definitely I had seen no because conjuring is 2014, I think. Yeah, so so 2013 that was like one of the first ones I had seen in theaters in a while. I don't think I I don't think I'd really watched horror in theaters yet. Um but that was like the first like uh like it was a gnarly brutal movie, and like but I watched it right and I'm like watching it in the theaters, and I think because I'm like I I was mostly watching horror at home, so I was getting kind of I guess used to it in a way, and and I thought the theater's experience is way more like it's creepier, yeah. Yeah, because you're locked in, right? When you're home, you and you have distractions, you can have the light on. Well when you're in the theater, it's like it's loud, it's dark, you're it's just you and the screen. You can't. I mean, you can close your eyes, you can look away, look, you know, burrow into the sh look, look off the screen, I guess, but like you're in there, like you're not not really much for you to do. Like you're gonna see it, uh, and it's gonna be loud. And that one is it's that movie's more brutal than it is scary. Um, but I like that. And I I thought I remember showing it like to my wife and my siblings, and like they were just like, What the fuck is wrong with you, man? Why would you why would you make people watch this? I'm like, I love it. This is amazing. Um I'm glad they're getting like a you know bigger franchise and exceeding their movies more. Yeah, I thought Evil Dead Rise was really cool. I thought it did a good job of like capturing like the goofiness of the original ones, and like, but then like the brutality of the 2013 one and like like meshing them together. And it's uh from what it sounds like, the description of the footage for the Evil Dead burn that they showed at CinemaCon sounds like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:31

This one's kind of Did you see the leak video? I didn't see anything of it yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:34

I just saw that or no, didn't they?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:36

It's supposed to be attached to the mummy, but when I watched it, it it wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

Yeah, that's what I was hearing. So that's what I was hearing. Um so that probably it'll probably be out probably like Monday or Tuesday next week, I'm assuming. Um so I'm excited to see it. But yeah, they're saying that it's like more brutal than I think it's gonna be more of like brutal, like similar to 2013 than maybe Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:53

What I saw is like only forty seconds, but you just see this tall, like slender looking man and he's just grabbing bodies and they're all Like in a living room, and the living room looks like a tornado just happened. Oh man. And he's throwing people through the ceiling, they're coming down. He's just tossing them like rag dolls. Oh man. And then you just see the camera focused on one girl just crawling, trying to get to the exit. And he's just walking closer to her, tossing bodies left and right like dolls. And then he grabs her at the end and then it cuts out. I'm locked in.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:22

I'll be there. I'll be there opening night, man. That there's yeah, I I love that shit. I love that shit. Um you're gonna like the mommy though. That's brutal. Yeah, I'm excited to see it. I'm gonna go watch it on Tuesday. Uh yeah, I'm I I again, like I again, like Terrifier, I think it's just like a hair. That's just the that's just not something that I tend to enjoy. I've seen like clips of it. I'm just like, okay, I get the the uh you know I get what people would like that. Um that could be fun to watch, you know, like the like oh what the fuck, but I think for me, it's like eh, but like stuff like the mummy, like there's a level of brutality and gore that I do appreciate, um, and and that I do like, and I think that's kind of like my lane, more like the visceral, like brutal, like that kind of tone of it. Or you know, and like there's sometimes there's like a cartoony over the top version of it too, where like yeah, like the Tarantino style of violence, like it's can be fun as well. Like a lot of like what like Radio Silence does, like like ready or not, or like Abigail, like how like the like people just like explode like randomly. Like I like I enjoy that too. Um, so like it's not yeah, I'm I'm I'm for it. I think yeah, I think terrifier is just a different beast for me. But have you tried watching one? You just I've seen the first one, and I think I was just like, alright, like it's too much. I this is mean, but I you know again, there's enjoyment to be had there, even like the later Saw movies on like you know, you guys are just it's just to get to the next kill, which is fine. That that's what that's what that's what gets people in seats. So I do what you gotta do. And there's people, there are those fans that like the hostile, you know, the either the whole Eli Roth, terrifier like I get it, and that's cool. That's just not really my vibe, but doesn't mean I don't like seeing a head get ripped off or someone getting torn in half. Like I I enjoy that too, like in a movie, in a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:59

What about Undertone? Did you see that one? No, I didn't. How was that one? Did you see that one? That one will if you go to the theater, like the Dolby Theater, if they're more known for like superior sound, it's more like a sound-based thing, right? Because that's like a podcast. The sounds just bounce off the wall, so it kind of feels like you're in the movie because they're like talking behind you. I'm like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:18

Yeah, that's that's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:20

That movie's based all around sound, which makes it even more scarier. But this one doesn't have like a lot of like demonic.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:26

Because it's more like individually here, it's more what you what you hear, right? You're hearing the the the the scares are like what you hear, not necessarily what you see.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:34

But they talk in like tongues and it talks like in a demonic like voice, and that just gets you when you're in a dark room, and it's like the sounds are just bouncing off the wall, and like, damn, the devil here with this. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:46

Yeah, that that's that's a cool way to do it. Yeah, I like that's a that's an original way to go about it, especially like with the podcast of it all, as we're here recording one, like to then utilize that horror movie. That's that's a cool idea. Um, yeah, no, I I definitely I want to check that one out. Uh yeah, I mean A24, they just they always drop these like really anything A24.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:03

I mean, ever since I watched hereditary, I'm like, it's yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

I know you talked about that. Was like I think one of the ones that you kind of was a really big one for you. Yeah, I think that was that I've seen the movie once and I I love it, but I'm like, I that's not a fun watch. Like that's that's not a too dark. That's not a fun hang, but it's it's crazy. That is a crazy movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:23

Uh it's fun just to show to other people too, because you experience it, you know what to expect, and then when you're bringing like an audience to watch it and you see their reactions, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:32

I didn't see yeah, I watched it with a bunch of people, and I remember everyone just being like, it was fucking like this is daylight. Everybody loved it, but it was like that was awful. I'm just like it was kind of like like the bring her back experience where I'm like, Oh hereditary, I think, has a little bit more fun. It's there's a little bit of dark comedy in that. I mean, it's fucked up. It's and it's ends. She's like sawing her head off. Yeah, like it's crazy. It's fucked up, but you're it's more of like a shock. Like, I can't believe like they allowed him to film this. Like, yeah. Whereas like bring her back, it's more like it's like you again, hereditary, bring her back, you end then you're both, you're like, that was pretty fucked up. Whereas like bring her back, it's more of like a a down, like a not a fun hang, whereas like hereditary is like it there's there's enjoyment to be had. It is a very messed up movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:20

Especially if you watch it in your living room, all the lights off, it's dark time, it hits you a little more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:24

I mean, that's kind of the whole A24 thing, too, is like, because I mean, even Hereditary, there's a a lot of grieving mother in that movie as well, similar to this one. So like they kind of they've really kind of I think it all it all really started with with the Babaduke. Yeah. That was kind of what started the whole like trauma core grief horror like thing. Uh and like I feel like since then we've just gotten various varying levels of it, and sometimes it's good. Sometimes you get a hereditary, or you get a you get a bring her back or a talk to me, or sometimes you get those ones where you're just like, guys, we I I I get it, you're sad. Like you're sad, the demon, the demon, you're the you're being the scariest because you're scared because of your grief, and you know, but it can be done well. But I again I I I'm ready to like get movies just like The Mummy or Evil Dead or or Resident Evil, like let's just have some fun horror, like let's make it fun, make it scary, make it violent. Uh let's get some monsters going.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:14

Yeah, let's let's let's just let's let's start getting crazy with it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:17

Like there's a new one too. It's like a new dinosaur movie coming out with Andy.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:22

Yeah, that's the guy who directed uh It Follows. Oh yeah, yeah, and which another really cool idea for horror movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:27

They're coming out with a lot of bingers this year.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:29

Yeah, dude, I'm excited for that one. I'm like a super like you put if you put dinosaurs in something, like I'm I'll be there.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:34

Like something new too, like doesn't always have to be you know Jurassic Park, Jurassic World.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:39

Yeah, exactly. Like, and I enjoy those movies for what they are. Like, I mean Jurassic Park's my favorite movie of all time, the first one. Uh and I love that whole franchise. Those movies are not all great, some of them are pretty shitty. Um but again, like I just I see dinosaurs, I'm gonna go watch it in the theaters.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:54

Like the one with Scarlett Johansson, her I I did enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:56

I enjoy I enjoyed it. I thought the whole I'm over the whole hybrid mutant thing though. Like, let's just make let's just have dinosaurs. Like dinosaurs are good enough for me. Like me a T-Rex, that's it. Yeah, just you know, um, but I'm excited for this, like an another take on dinosaurs that's not like you said, Jurassic World or Jurassic Park. Like, let's get another type of director, another vibe. Yeah, let's do something different. This, yeah, the whole concept of like a neighborhood being transported back into time and there's dinosaurs, like I'm like, hell yeah, like I'm lost. And the guy too, I think he played on Star Wars. Yeah, you and McGregor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in Dr. Sleep. Did you ever watch that one? Dr. Sleep, no, I don't think I've seen that one. Have you seen The Shining? I haven't seen The Shining either. You should watch The Shining and then watch Doctor Sleep. It's great. Uh the The Shining's like the seven the late 70s before Cloud, like one of the one of the big masterpieces. The Stephen King book. Yeah. And then that's directed by Stanley Kubrick, who's like you know one of the great directors of all time. And then in 2019, Mike Flanagan, uh-huh, our our boy. He directed the so Stephen King wrote a sequel book to The Shining called Doctor Sleep. It takes place, it's the point of view of one of the characters in the first Shining. Um and so now so Ewan McGregor plays the grown-up version of that character in Doctor Sleep. Uh it's really cool. I I love Dr. Like, that's like one of the better horror movies that have come out in a while. Um I would check it out for sure if you haven't. Like, is that more like demon or body horror? It's more slasher? No, it's more like demonic super like ghost spirit type like stuff like that. Like so the shining, the shining is like very psychological, but there's like a supernatural presence to it. Doctor Doom or Doctor Doom, sorry, Doctor Doctor Sleep, wrong doctor. Too many docks. Uh Doctor Sleep uh definitely brings more of the supernatural of the shining into the picture. Like it's more on supernatural, but it's it's really good. It's a really, really good movie. I think they're both streaming on HBO, Max. If if uh if you can, I would watch the there's a director's cut of Dr. Sleep. Dr.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:02

Sleep in the Shining, you said?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:03

Yeah. Shining is like the original. Um is the first one. That's like the that's a really good movie. It's like a classic staple if you haven't seen it. And then yeah, I'd watch if you can if you can watch the Dr. Sleep director's cut. It's like three hours long, but it the the theatrical is good too. It's like two and a half, but the the director's cut, like it adds stuff that just makes the movie much just makes it better, makes it flow better. It's long, but it's really, really good. And uh again, like Mike Flanagan, he's I just he's just one of them, he's one of the better horror directors, I think, right now. You should watch this movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:33

It's a Spanish movie. I don't know if you like like Spanish horror movies, but it's called Um When Evil Lurks. That one Oh yeah, that movie's freaking brutal. You seen that one with the dog where you get to look at it.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:44

It took me a couple times because I I wa uh again, stuff with like kids. I'm just like, oh, it's so hard now. But I did eventually power through it, and oh man, that movie is fucking gnarly. That was crazy, huh? I think those guys are directing were they? Maybe not. Or maybe I think they might be the ones who are directing the next Evil Dead. Not the one this year, but I think the one in 2028. Oh, Wrath. Yeah, I think so. I I have I know they're doing something else, and I'm like, oh you know, maybe not. I I think they're no, maybe they were they were maybe rumored to make the next alien movie. That might have been what it was. Um, the sequel to Romulus.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:20

That's another A24 movie, too, is Bring Her Back. Oh, yeah, bring her back. Yeah, man. Or not Bring Her Back. Um When Evil Lurks.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:26

I think the other day they like acquire it or whatever. Yeah, dude. It it I yeah, I'll I'll watch. I like there's a really cool um Korean horror movie called The Wailing. If you if you've ever seen that, I would like to do it. The Wailing, no. That one's really cool. It's like a it's supernatural like horror movie, but it's well Korean horror movies are super brutal too. They go, they go, they go hard. Those guys are crazy. There's one it's I mean, it's terrifying. It's not like it's not like a supernatural, but it's called uh it's called The Devil. What is it called? The Devil Made Me Do It? No, not that not the devil made me do it. It's this Korean movie, it's fucking gnarly. Um what is his name? It's like it's the devil. I don't want to look it up. I'm gonna find it because oh, I saw the devil. You should look it up. It's like it's more of like an action thriller, but like the main the one the villain is like a he's like a serial killer who like kidnaps this guy's wife. Yeah, but like the brutality of how he kills people, it's fucking it's I would check that one out, dude. It's it's Korean, but that movie's fucked up. That's a fucked up movie. Yeah, but yeah, those fuck Korean the Korean horror is that don't hold back Korean horror. They don't give a shit. They're that that shit is terrifying and violent as fuck. Like they're they got some dark shit going on. Yeah, I would check out The Wailing. If you that's a really good one. Uh really creepy. Um about the ring? Did you like the ring with her of course like when I was younger? Yeah, of course, the ring. I feel like it's like those movies now, like The Ring, even Scream, like the scary movie movies, like really like fucked a lot of that stuff up. Like, because now you just think of like the funniness of it, but like um, but I remember, yeah, the ring, the original ring, and the like the grudge, like the like not the origin, like the right, obviously the originals are the Korean versions, but uh or the Japanese versions. Um, but like the like the American the Grudge and the Ring. Like I remember as a kid watching those and being scared to shit of those. I remember like because obviously, like when I started watching horror, it's like the 2000s, and a lot of the early 2000s was all like the remakes they would do all the time. Like well, like Texas Chainsaw Mascara. Yeah, when a stranger calls or prom night or whatever it is. Uh I like the original. I like I'm sorry, I like the remake of Texas Chainsaw the one. Jessica that one's oh Jessica Beale. That one's fucking brutal, man. And she's she looks really good in that makes it a little easier to watch. Um but uh yeah, when they were remaking everything, like and a lot, you know, and I remember being like young, like you know, them what we're it's like that's like gateway horror, like these you know polished remakes that are just you know they're violent, they're some bad actors, and but as a kid, as like a young kid or teenager watching them like, oh yeah, these are fun. Then you go back and watch them, you're like, oh maybe they aren't that good, but they're entertaining. Do you think it is based on a real story? Texas Chainsaw? Well, I think it's like inspired by like Ed Gean and something else. Like, I don't know if there was a guy with a chainsaw running around, but maybe that'd be I mean, if there is, like that's fucking terrifying. I but I don't like I think that was like the when the original Texas Chainsaw came out, that was like what like people were like, Did this fucking happen?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:20

Like a picture of him like walking away, and it's like this is the last known picture of everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:23

And I think even the the trailer for the remake was even like kind of doing that same thing, like trying to make oh yeah, like the most terrifying killer in all Texas, like the let you know, people were like, Wait, so is it real or is it not real? Like the marketing like that when you when you do marketing like that, it's funny. I remember there was a uh a horror movie a lot, like the mid-2000s called Primeval. Primeval. So the trailer was always like the first trailer that came out, like it was like the trailer voice was like, Oh, the most terrifying serial killer of like the biggest body count of all time. He's killed hundreds of people and has never been caught, is active to this day. And you're you're watching the trailer, like, who the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:02

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:03

And then like the trailer is just like a bunch of like people like running like in like through like the jungle, like brain, like people jumping and like with like weaponry, and you're like, what is this movie about? Like, who's this killer? And then the movie is about a giant like crocodile, like in Africa, like that like a real, like there's like a real crocodile that I think it's called uh Gustav or something. You can look him up. He's real, like in Africa that like he's killed a but he's like a man eater. But then like the whole marketing for the movie was about like this serial, like they were markingly old, like the most the most notorious. Like it was a person in all time, and then you watch the movie, it's about a giant crocodile. You're like, okay, like what the heck? It's interesting, but yeah, it just kind of reminds me of like Texas Chainsaw where it's like, yeah, they would like they would market it as if this guy existed. Yeah, I mean, you're like, did he fucking exist?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:48

Like that's what made me like draw to the movies too. I'm like, oh shit, if it's based on a true story, there's some like truth to it that makes it even more like creepier, like conjuring.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:57

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then they'll they use that too, where like, you know, I mean, and then you're like, oh, you look it up, like, okay, it's kind of based on something, but like it's based like on an idea or a person or something that kind of happened, but even then, but then sometimes you get those ones that are like a lot of this actually did kind of happen. That's fucked up, dude. Like it's always like trippy when the conjuring movies of how they end and they'll show like the photos of like the actual videos.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:17

Oh, actually, I guess me too. It has like those crazy, eerie like noises once the credits roll.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:22

You're like, I don't want, I don't want any part of this movie. I'm like, I'm out. Yeah, this movie's over, I'm done. I'm gonna go see fucking a Pixar movie next or like this this is too much. Um yeah, man, that that's kind of the vibe when I have to bring her back. I was like, I I uh I don't want to see this ever again. This was not nice. This was a great movie, not a fun hang. Um, but I I'm yeah, I hope I hope these guys do like a really cool horror movie next. Like I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:46

Yeah, honestly, like doing two films I I enjoyed a lot. Like, I'm happy to see where they go, especially as YouTubers, like yeah, they're exciting. They're doing pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:55

I mean, because there was that one movie that came out that I didn't see it and I heard it wasn't really good, the the Iron Lung that came out. Oh yeah. Uh I didn't watch that one either. But but I mean it was he was it's a YouTuber that directed it, and like it um he like it made a bunch of money, like it was just like two million budget, and he made like 50 million off. Yeah, he made a ton of money, but like it's like yeah, I think it's like kind of the second coming of um like all these people that are on YouTube creating content, like that's why I'm really stoked for the back room because that's also another YouTuber.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:24

But I just started watching like a lot of his YouTube videos of doing the backrooms, and like those are pretty scary. So the fact that they're turning them into a film, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:34

It's good. I think it's cool, like even stuff like when like podcasts become horror, like movies, or like like just because there's a lot of creative people that are just making stuff on YouTube or or TikTok all the time, and I feel like that's where a lot of and I feel like horror is like the easiest genre for people to kind of break out into because you can you you tend to get more freedom because they you can make them for cheap and you can do a lot more, like you know, a lot of a lot of horror. Sometimes the scariest stuff is what you don't see or like what you hear, or what you think you see, or what you think you hear, and you can get more creative that way with less money, and then if it works, horror tends to be the one that makes it if you if you make a good horror movie, like you can make a shit of money, like if for a low budget, and then and then you're up, you're making you know, you're making big movies like out of nowhere. Like, look at um and like I I it's it's just cool, it's interesting to see how like like the background these guys, like the YouTubers or like Twik Talkers or Vloggers, someone like Jordan Peel, who is this like a sketch comedy guy, you know, is a funny guy, and now he's like one of our masterpiece horror filmmakers of all types.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:32

I think he's doing disclosure. Is he doing that movie? Disclosure there, uh Steven Spielberg.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:36

Oh, but that was another good one, yeah. Um well, yeah. He's Steven Spielberg, he's a he's he's an okay director. Um like Jordan Peel, right? He was the he was the comedy guy, then he does get out, get out's a huge freaking sensation, and then us and no and I mean he's made three great movies. I'm hoping he uh gets gets the fourth one out there soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:54

Um didn't he do him as well or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:57

He produced it. Oh he produced it.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:58

I don't really like that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:59

Yeah, I heard it was I heard the trailer looked really cool, but I I heard it was like mixed thing. I haven't watched it yet. Um he's been more he's been producing more lately, but I'm hoping he gets behind the camera again. He's supposed to be making something soon. I mean, I wanted to make the movie ASAP because Nope is a movie that when I saw it in theaters, I was like, I liked it, but I was like, I think I was expecting a little bit more. Yeah, but then I've since like rewatched it like two, three, four times, and I'm like, I don't know. Actually, I think I actually kind of love this movie like a lot. Like it's I've just grown to love it. I was kinda like with I was like that with us too. I liked us a lot. I liked us a lot when I left the theater, but I was like, I don't know, like I feel like it was just was kind of missing something. But then I've since rewatched it like numerous times, and I'm like, oh no, like this is it's like a good story of having like a doppelganger and they're trying to fight you off. Yeah, it's a great movie. His movies are movies where you like you you're rewarded for watching them over and over. Like there's stuff you don't catch or just little things you pick up on, and I think they just flow better when you rewatch them. But um yeah, I mean he's somebody like him and again, like Mike Flanagan, Zach Crager, like directors that I'm excited about. These the Philippo brothers, I'm excited to like keep making horror. Like no, it's just it's like you know, because there's a lot of bad horror out there. It's you know, again, they're cheaper. Like the strangers, the chapter one, two, three, those ones were horrible. Horrible, dude. Horrible. Like it says because like the original Strangers is so good, like it's so I liked when uh I think it's something Prey, they have like a whole different one, yeah. The the Prey at Night, I think it's called too. Yeah, it was very like I think that one was like probably the best out of the whole franchise. Yeah, there was like yeah, some cool vibes, yeah. Cause the first one's more like they're like terrorizing people, but like Prey at Night is more of like a body count, like it's more entertaining. I think it's more entertaining, but that first Rangers is very, very like just unsettling, like some person knocking on your door. Who could it be? Yeah, that that's a creepy one, man. But um, but yeah, man. I mean, it's it's been fun, man. I appreciate you coming on here. Yeah, talking horror. Gotta come back another time once. Dude, there's plenty of horror coming out, so I gotta have you come back. There's a lot of stuff coming out this year and next year that we're gonna need to be talking about. And there's a lot of horror movies that have that are much holder that you and I uh need to talk about. Maybe when you watch The Shining and Doctor's Sleep, I'll have you come back on let me know what you think about it. I'm excited to see what you think. But uh yeah, man, I appreciate you coming on.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:08

I appreciate you having me on here. You know, it's been a pleasure and can't wait to do it again. Yeah, man. I'm sure we'll be talking offline about all the shit we watch over the next few months. Uh you're gonna see me post all this movie 10 out of 10, that movie 10 out of 10. Yeah, I'll reach out to you after I show you.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:21

I'm a little biased. Any horror movie, I just say 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. Did somebody get their head cut off? 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. Yeah, and I'll let you know what I think about the mummy. I'm excited to see that on Tuesday, and uh, I'm sure we'll we'll be talking soon. But awesome talking to you, man. Yeah, you too, Rudy. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you everybody for listening.