More Than Books: Inside Wichita Public Library with Savannah Ball

As the literacy services librarian at the Wichita Public Library, Savannah Ball combines her deep commitment to helping people access the resources they need to thrive with her love for books.

Driven by a passion for helping others, Ball connects people with resources, opportunities and stories that help them grow. Her own educational journey gives her perspective on the importance of supporting people in finding their own right path.

In this episode, Lydia, Kristin and Savannah talk about the role of libraries in a community, swap favorite book recommendations and share practical tips for helping kids become confident readers.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:02

Hi, I'm Livia, and I'm Kristen. Through our work at Learning Lab, which talk, we get a front road speed to innovation and personalized kindergarten through 12th grade learning. On this podcast, we share stories of how educators and parents are helping kids discover their passions. So you can do the same for a child you love.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

Time to dive in. Let's get personal.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

Hi everyone, and welcome to Let's Get Personal, Real Talk about Reimagining Education. We had to hit the button to record, or else Savannah, Kristen, and I were just gonna talk all day long. So welcome to the podcast. We are so joyed and joyed, joyful to have Savannah Ball from the Wichita Public Library. Is that the right name of? I guess I don't know. I've always called it the Wichita Library, where she is the literacy services manager. So thanks for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Yeah, I'm so glad to be here. I was excited to get to talk with both of you.

SPEAKER_05 0:58

Yeah, we love to talk. So that's why I was like, no, we have to get recorded. We're never, we're never gonna leave today. Well, thanks for joining.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Sabina is just like the most sunshiny person ever. And Lydia and I both know her separately. Yeah. Um, and we both give her like five out of five stars. Five out of five stars. That's right. Yeah. Why don't you talk about? I mean, I want you to talk about your job, but I am fascinated by librarians because I feel like they're portrayed on TV and in movies a lot. And they always are portrayed in like a particular way. There's like a stereotype, and I don't feel like you fit this stereotype. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

No, so I was a compliment to you. I I think it's a compliment based on what I know the stereotype is. Yes, yes. Okay, yeah, yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

Um, you're very uh approachable and um flexible, and you know, but I I wanted to know. I my assumption is that librarians love books and they always wanted to be a librarian. So what is your story?

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Yeah, I did not always want to be a librarian. So I've always loved going to the library, I've gone to the library since I was a kid. Um, my mom would come pick me up after she got off work so we could go to the library. That was like my favorite thing to do, but it was never in my mind that I would actually become a librarian. So I went and got my bachelor's in communication uh and even through college didn't think, oh, I'll be a librarian. But I worked at the library to pay for school. And so just as I worked there more and I got to know more people that also worked there who are not that stereotype at all. Um, I just realized that libraries are so much more than books, that they are really like places where people connect. And it's really about like caring for people versus caring for things, which is like the stereotypical librarian where it's like we're gonna charge you if you don't bring back my book.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

It's not like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:06

That's such a good point to make. You know, um, so Savannah and I met as part of the Thread, which is a women's leadership um community. Kristen was also in it, but she was in a later cohort. But I remember crew Lila was really little, right? Yeah. And we were talking about books one day, and Lila is very rough on books, but you're like, no, no, no, it's a good thing. Like it is good for like you we actually want to see the babies chewing on the books, and like it means more to have the book be well loved than like perfectly kept.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Yes, yes, I know exactly what you're talking about because I've told people more than once that books are toys when kids are little, because that is you do want them to love them. And so if you're feeling comfortable with them, yeah, to be friends with the book.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

I love that idea. Yeah, put it in the toy box. Yeah, let them. And I do just want to say every librarian I know in person is a lovely human. Oh, yeah. I like libraries, I had no doubt. So tell a little more about how you how you got from communications to library, like what happened?

SPEAKER_03 4:13

Yeah. So I was um working, like I said, through college, sure I was gonna go somewhere else and do something else. And I had applied for another library job and I didn't get it. And my manager at the time, who is now our library director, Jamie, yeah, she told me um that I didn't get the job, but then she said, But you need to be a librarian. Like we need you to be a librarian because you would be perfect at it and we need people like you. And after that, that was kind of the spark that made me think, okay, well, maybe I could do this. And now I can't really imagine myself doing much different. Like, I can't imagine making someone else money. I really love the idea that I am just out there helping people like thrive and and achieve their goals. And like their goals are are our goals at the library, and that's such a beautiful way to like live your life and spend your time that I can't imagine being a marketer in the end.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Yeah, you have like a servant heart or something, which I think is really special. And she was right, like that is who you want to see at the library when you're there for something. I also love about that story that often somebody else has to tell you what your strengths are. And we just had a podcast last week with um our special projects administrator, Lauren. Yeah, and it was like the same story that she kind of got into her job now because Lydia saw something else in her besides what she was doing, and kids need that too. So it just kind of goes with our whole thing here.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Yes. What what would you say are your value like we all had to do a values activity as part of the threat? What were your like what are your core values?

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Yeah, I think trust and access. So the idea that everyone can access whatever they need um based on what their desires are, not necessarily based on their age or where they live or how much money they make. And I think that is another really beautiful thing about libraries that makes it so special to me is like I can't think of another place where people enter the building and it doesn't matter at all how much money you make or how old you are or where you live that like you're going to get the exact same service and have access to the exact same things as everyone. And there's not a lot of places where those people interact. Yeah. Like a lot of times you're going places where people are very similar to you, and that's not happening at the library. You're experiencing every walk of life when you go in there.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

Yeah, no, that's such a good point. Uh what a beautiful values match. Like, I don't know that I could have pulled that value out and said, Yeah. Yeah. No, but it makes perfect sense. That's interesting. Well, talk talk about trust too. Like what what is why does trust resonate with you?

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Yeah, I think because so when I was growing up, I was a huge bookworm, always reading. Um, and I had a lot of teachers who like saw that I was an advanced reader and would let me read whatever book I wanted, and they didn't really care that it wasn't like on my grade level, which we hear a lot.

SPEAKER_06 7:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Um, and then even in like middle school, I told myself I'm gonna read like all the contemporary classics.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Oh, good for you.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

And so I'm reading like Clockwork Orange and Ketcher and for middle school. Yeah. And my parents never stopped me. Like there was not a limit on what I could read. And so I wasn't ready for those books. Like there's so much context and like historical things and things I didn't understand about it. But the fact that there was enough trust put in me to like make those choices for myself, yeah um, I was really important. Like it shaped who I was because even though maybe I didn't understand uh everything about the book, I still knew how like those stories made me feel.

SPEAKER_06 8:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

And I got to see uh like all these different perspectives and viewpoints and like just the just understanding people in a different way that I I don't think uh there has to be an age limit to experiencing those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Yeah. That's such an interesting point of view because I think about kids need exposure to different types of people and people who have had different types of experiences, but for some reason it has never occurred to me that, like, oh, you could get that through reading. I'm like, yeah, you need to go to this place where those people are. You know what it made me think about?

SPEAKER_05 9:10

I was talking with um a f a friend who came by the other day about um not like I'll ask you this question later, but like non-negotiables. Like so one of our family's non-negotiables is like our family will travel. Like traveling is like very much a like core non-negotiable for our family because my husband and I want our kids to see other people and places and realize, you know, like your world and where you are is just where you are. There's a lot beyond. Right. But you saying that makes me think about like that's what also reading does to to Kristen's point of like, no, this is how you learn about can can learn about different cultures without having to go anywhere. Or um, like I remember reading books when I was younger where it's almost like they had like slang language, or like I remember, you know, like think like Louisiana, and there's like that kind of like French and like, you know, and you're like, what am I reading? Yeah. Um but it did just open your eyes to be like, oh yeah, that's right. Not everybody talks the way that I talk, or like we all have our own community, um your own cultural things in your communities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's also like a safe way to experience all those things. So there might be things that you don't necessarily feel safe with having your kid experience, but they can still learn a little bit. Yeah. Like one flew over the cuckoo's nest. I particularly remember reading that. I don't need to go to a mental hospital. To learn and understand maybe the perspective of those people. Yeah. And so it is like this this gateway into understanding other people with a little less risk. This might be a little bit of a hot topic.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Well, it is a hot topic, but you know, like we aren't afraid of hot topics. No, we're not. But you know, we we are very much the same here. And like, no, kids, we want kids to be exposed to things, but obviously it's in partnership with their parents. Yeah. So when when I think about all the conversation happening in our society about banning books or what book, to your point, what books kids can read or not read? Um, you know, like in my mind, I'm like, no, that's a parent kid conversation. Like this is, you know, is part of your engagement as the grown-up in their life. How do you all, I'm sure you guys get questions about that. How do you all handle that conversation? How does the library handle that conversation? Andor like how does Savannah handle that conversation?

SPEAKER_03 11:34

I think that one goes back to trust too, is like it isn't just trusting kids, but it's also trusting parents. And we assume if you are here with your library card that your child or that your parent knows what you're checking out and that they feel comfortable with you're doing, that uh checking those out, that um you guys have had those conversations at home or um at school. And uh if you are letting them be there by themselves, then we assume that you trust them and that you guys have have worked through what that is. Um and trusting that parents know what's best for their child too. So if we don't force anyone to check out any book, that's right. And so we trust that you can choose what's best for you and leave what isn't right for you.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Yeah, that's right. I think that's we talk about trusting parents all the time because nobody knows the kids better than parents. And parents have to be their educational guide, and that would include what they're reading on their free time too, not just where they're going to school or what curriculum they should be using.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

But the library also has more than just books. This is a fun fact. I did not know this up until thank God for my sister and her partner. Because they were they rented a radon testing camp. And I was like, we got it from where? Like what? Um, so talk about the other things that are at the library besides just books that like families might want to know about.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

So much. I we won't have time to go through it all. Yeah. Um but we do have radon detectors, and we actually recently had someone use a radon detector and find out that they did have dangerous levels of radon in their house. And what happens if you have high radon? You have to like um like what happens to you?

SPEAKER_05 13:28

Yeah, like you have to why is it dangerous?

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

It'll make you sick. Yes. I mean, it's kind of like carbon monoxide. It is exactly like carbon monoxide. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Is it this could be a whole science lesson? It's not testing for carbon monoxide levels. That's a different thing. Radon is its own thing, carbon monoxide. Usually in a basement. Usually in a basement.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Yeah, because it's like the earth is underground is putting out fumes. And yeah. Wow. You should get your so well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

You should maybe check out a public library saving lives over this.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:58

I think it's so and those things are expensive to do on your own. So I love that the rate the library has that available.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Yes, yeah, because you're only gonna use it. Yeah. Like you're I don't think your radon's gonna change in 10 years. So you're not gonna need it all. You don't need to buy it, yes. And I think that is really a cool thing about all of the stuff that we have to check out beyond just our books, is that not everybody can purchase things that they need. Um, and not everybody needs to purchase the things that they need, even if they can afford to do it. Right. Um, and so like we have Tony boxes. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Tony's. You don't know what a Tony box is. You don't know what a Tony box is. Yeah, they're little pieces of speakers and they have little uh book characters on them um that come with them, and you just set the character on the speaker and it just starts reading you a story.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

Yeah, you can find you can see him at Target now. Like there's that's a great little gift to buy friends new if they have a Tony box to buy them a new story.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Yes. So our my daughter goes to sleep with hers every single night. That's what she she listens to her Tony when she's falling asleep at night. Uh, but it's one of those things that like once you're you've listened to that Tony 30 times, you're over it. So you could read it. You can pick out different ones, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and not have to buy it. That's super fun. Yeah. And the library oh come on.

SPEAKER_05 15:21

I was just thinking about the things that you have there and just knowing like the library away also has like great activities. I know I came by for the DIY day on accident. Yeah, super glad I showed up to return my library book.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

So, what's the DIY day?

SPEAKER_05 15:33

Um, they had the 3D printers, they had laser engravers. Crew got to do um like some wood shaving. Like he like sat down and woodworker's skill. Yeah, he was he could have done that for a long time. Um, there was a touch truck outside, and one of the touch trucks they could like put the shredded paper. That was Lila's favorite one. Yeah. Just it was like it was just a really fun day.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

Like all the cool things you might want to try or do or you want to make yourself we bring uh to DIY Day. Kind of like a makeup. How often do you have DIY Day? Uh once a year. Oh, okay. Yep. Usually in the falls it's free. Yep. Okay. That's another thing is you won't pay for anything at the library. So we don't charge late fines anymore, which a lot of people don't know. Oh, uh spread the word. Yes, we don't uh make you pay for a class, a program. Yes, unless you unless you keep your book forever, which I tend to do.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

And then I return it and there's only like a processing fire.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

We don't even do that anymore. Oh really?

unknown 16:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Well, we love um the book bus comes to learning lab twice a month. We love Miss Racine, the kids have misreacine.

SPEAKER_04 16:45

Yeah, like that book bus is getting people library books that probably would not ever get a library book because they wouldn't occur to them to go to the library. And it makes it so convenient for our families because we don't have a library. We have a lot of books in our space that they can read, but we don't have a library, and so those kids would not be going to like their school library. Right. So for us, it's really cool. But I also love that she goes to different parts of the community and in community events. Love it. She's great. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 17:15

I just I walked on there. I feel like, and Miss Racine has told me this, but they have books on there that they're like good ones. Like ones that are adult like the way the adult ones. Yes, I walked on um and got tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, which is now like one of my top 10 favorite books. I really loved it. And that's happened like multiple times with things where I'm like, no, wait a second, that book is on this book. Um, and so it's just been it's just a fun surprise to be like, wait, what's gonna be on the book bus today? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Really quickly, just list some of the other things that families can check out. Cause I I had absolutely no idea before the new downtown library opened that, which I guess it's not that new anymore. Yeah, eight years, eight years. Yeah. Um, but I didn't know that was a thing. And so I bet a lot of people don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we have experience passes, so family passes to the zoo, um, different museums. We have coding robots that families can check out. Uh, you can come in, this isn't a checkout, but you can come in and uh take the ages and stages questionnaire uh with us. So that yeah, kids who are under five.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

Um and then we've got the form that you know what I'm talking about. That's that form that you would fill out at the doctor. Like, can you pick up here and develop a soda bottle while still? I got that.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Yeah, yeah. Um, but we will have you take the test and then we'll look at your results and have like a one-on-one meeting with you to talk about how and that's free. You might need to, yeah, and refer you to other services. Um, we have movies, CDs, um CDs. Yes. You gotta love that. Less. We have less. Um we have the Tony boxes, we have anatomical models, we have radon detectors, we have blood pressure machines that you can take home. Oh, we have telescopes, binoculars.

SPEAKER_05 19:14

Fun.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Yes. I'm sure there's a hundred things I'm missing. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 19:18

So if you think of something, and then I wanted to mention like some of the subscriptions to um different publications because I love that and LinkedIn learning. So if you get online with your library card, you can access resources and like digital publications that you wouldn't be able to have access to without paying.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

That's cool. Yep, exactly. We actually work with Goodwill. Um, now they're getting all of their new staff library cards and then using that um LinkedIn learning for some training so that they have easy access to it. That's such a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 19:55

I feel like all of us could benefit because they have like so many different yeah, LinkedIn Learning is like high quality training.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

No, that's super good.

SPEAKER_04 20:05

I want you to talk about your position because I feel like your position is not, I mean, it's like a good blend of things.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

It is a it is a blend of many things.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

So how you were a librarian at a branch for a while. Yes. How did that trajectory go and then tell us what you do now?

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Well, so I started at the library the day after my 16th birthday.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

Oh, you are kidding. You've been there ever since. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

I was I shelved books. Um, and then just as the years went by, I went full-time and worked as like a library assistant as I was going through college. Um, and then I moved to southwest Kansas uh to work as a library consultant for little rural libraries in Southwest Kansas. Um, and then I came back and I was the branch manager of the Rockwell branch until about four years ago when I became the literacy services manager. So now I am the person who facilitates all of our programs, partnerships, and outreach. So all the fun things that we do at the library are my job usually.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

So you, I mean, you have a lot of community partnerships. You get out in the community, you know a lot of people, which I feel like as a librarian, that's probably not common that you get to do all that stuff. So how did you end up in that role?

SPEAKER_03 21:28

I um was the branch manager for a while, but was always looking for ways to like partner with places as um in that service area of Rockwell. And so that really just inspired me to to see that that was really what I enjoyed about um that work is like getting out there and meeting people and finding ways to like combine our efforts to make something even better. And so uh when that position came open, that's when I applied for it because. I do it is a perfect blend for me of of getting to meet people and um but still get to be heavily involved in like the library aspect of of that work too.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

Savannah does a great job of coordinating that month, the monthly education education networking. Yeah, which talk about that a little bit and who can come.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Um that was an idea I had because I saw so many like networking events happening for different um fields, different careers, but I didn't really see anything that was geared towards education. I'm assuming because most of um our education professionals don't have a huge budget.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Um sometimes not flexibility, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Yeah. And specifically, there wasn't anything that was bringing together people who were doing like community education or parent education. And there are so many resources out there that people don't know about. Even when they do that work, they aren't aware um of what's out there that they can refer their clients to that will serve them better. So we do that. We bring in um a different speaker every month to talk about uh whatever their services are or their organization is. So, you know, we have Bikewalk Wichita coming next uh month or next week. Uh we've had you guys come from Learning Lab to talk about Learning Lab. Yes. Um, Goodwill has come to talk about just their um adult education. So even when you're like you guys serve kids, but it's helpful to know what's out there for adults because you might still come into contact with a family who the kid doesn't necessarily need something, but maybe the adult does. And so just knowing what's out there is is super helpful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

I've really enjoyed each time I've been able to go. So I know, I love that idea. Um, you do you have any more questions about the library? Because now I want to talk about our children.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

Um no, I think I just want to talk about Savannah. Yeah, that's fine. I love talking about Savannah.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

Okay, well, let's talk about Savannah as a kid before we talk about your kids. Because we could be like, no, they are either mini savannas or not. Yeah. Um talk about your education experience growing up. You're from here in Wichita. Yeah. Um, talk about how you were as a learner and a student.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

I was so I went to Wichita Public Schools, elementary, middle, and high school. Um where'd you graduate from? East. East of Ky. Yeah, yeah. So uh, and I'm like the perfect personality for that because I was like, I I'm a pupil pleaser as a kid. So I'm like, oh, what can I do for my teacher that will make her happy? And I wasn't causing trouble and I was smart, so I didn't really have any behavior issues or struggle with work. So I was kind of the perfect kid to have in a classroom because there wasn't a lot of effort to put into me. Yes, but I did, like I said, love reading. Um, I'm a 90s kid, so I was um in elementary school when accelerated reader started. And I remember in third grade like getting a trophy for the most accelerated reader points, and there was no obligation at that point. Like it was, I just thought it was fun to take accelerated reader tests. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

Um I actually I had, I think I told Kristen Emolly about this before, but in fifth grade, my librarian was not very kind. I won't mention her by name. Um, but I was out I was at 480 AR points, and I had like 20 pages left in my book, and she wouldn't let me finish it. It was the end of the school year and she made me turn it in. So I didn't and and again, nobody was like, Lydia, you have to get 500 AR AR points.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

I was just like, no, I want to get five. Lydia said you had to get 500 AR points.

SPEAKER_05 26:08

There was something there that was very motivating about being like, that thing has I'm I guess I don't know, I think our brains must respond well to being like, no, I can have that challenge for myself.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Yeah, like gamifies me.

SPEAKER_05 26:20

Yeah, you're like, I already enjoy this.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

Let me make it. Let me make a lot of points. There are there are mixed opinions. Accelerated reader. And I mean, I just worked in a dyslexia center. And so yeah, you know, if you have children who really struggle with reading, that just makes them feel bad about themselves. That's true. So I can see that. Um, but I do think it does encourage kids who like to read. Yes. Unfortunately, it probably doesn't encourage, I mean, maybe a little bit the kids that don't like to read, but they're not gonna have 500 points.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

And again, like nobody was like, Lydia's not having her name read at any ceremony. It was you didn't get a trophy. Like me, I did not get a trophy, and I'm actually kind of salty about it. Um But no, you're you're you're absolutely right, Kristen. That it looking back, there's like all those little things where I'm like, when I went to be a teacher in Kansas City, I wanted those kids to love learning as much as I did. But it was then that like shock of like, no, not everybody learned as well as I did. So then to like get them excited about learning, like we don't have the same love of it because it wasn't hard for me. So like reading was never hard for me. So like, yeah, getting points, thought it was great. But that's like the hindsight now, that perspective that I can have to be like, no, if I want every kid to love learning, be like that's an outcome I care about, then then things have to change. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I read the book.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Is bringing back the book if we're gonna be able to do that. Oh, I'm already signed up. Our kids, my kids are signed up, not me. I actually think that one's different because it's not you're not necessarily competing against others. So there's not that comparison factor.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Well, and we're all about like developing a love of reading, not the uh like you have to read. I think a lot of times reading is like portrayed as medicine when really it should be something that we want kids to love. The same with books as toys. So our summer reading program, um, when I came on board, we switched it from reading a certain amount of time or reading a certain number of books to you make whatever goal you want.

SPEAKER_04 28:28

Oh, good for you. Yes. I like that adjustment a lot.

SPEAKER_03 28:31

So it doesn't have to be because everybody does have different reading abilities or interests, that you can literally make it whatever you want. It can be, I'm gonna read to my sister every Friday, I'm gonna join a book club, I'm going to read a mystery book because I've never read one before. So that it's really whatever like fits that kid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

Yeah. So do you think that audiobooks as reading a book?

SPEAKER_03 28:59

Um, absolutely. I listen to audiobooks. Um, the same parts of your brain that are um turning on when you're reading a book are turning on when you're listening to an audiobook. And I would add, like, I don't think graphic novels are cheating either. 100%.

SPEAKER_04 29:17

No, I love the graphic novel for especially for early readers because they're just kids that would not get excited about reading without that. And I have seen so many kids around here with graphics. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're fun. They're fun.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

And they actually um have more unique words in a graphic novel than in like a chapter book. So their vocabulary is probably gonna be a little bit higher in a chapter book. That's so cool. I don't know. Uh maybe because they have the ability to include a picture so you can use different words, yeah, because there's different context in the case. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

So interesting. Yeah, I the audiobook thing, I do audiobooks as well as regular books, but I still feel like I haven't read a book when I'm done. Now I'm I love audiobooks, but I almost feel like it's like a new genre of like entertainment to me.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Well, stop feeling that way.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Yeah, I mean, I probably need to, but I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

I just kind of I am I wonder if this is your thing is what are you doing while you're listening to your audiobook?

SPEAKER_04 30:24

Like exercising or um driving.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

See, I feel like I can't listen to them when I'm driving because I'm too I'm not a great auditory processor. I'm very auditory sensitive. You get like distracted. I get very distracted in my brain. Like, I mean, I'll see some, I'll see a building and like so that's hard for me. But walking on the treadmill, I can listen, you know, or like some whatever the exercise, that's not been. I was listening to audiobooks when I was training for half marathons. Like it just I think the ex I think the activity depends on whether or not I feel like I'm remembering the story.

SPEAKER_04 30:59

It does make a big difference. I'm reading The Calamity, which is the new book by the hell of that. But I'm telling you the the talent that they hired for this audiobook. Have you read it? It's like Oscar winners, you guys. Yeah, it's so good. I'm like obsessed with this audiobook, and I still have like 10 hours left.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yes, yeah. It's just no, my husband is dyslexic. Okay, and never read when I first met him. They say opposites attract. Yeah, right. I know it is, yeah. He married a librarian. He did not like to read um for probably like the first 10 years of our marriage. And then I finally, I always tell him, like, try an audiobook, try an audiobook, you'll like it. Because me, I'm like, you're missing out on an entire world of things that like yeah, I love. Yeah. Um, and so finally I just downloaded the library audiobook app on his phone and picked a book for him. And he listened to it, and then he listened to another one, and then he listened to another one when he's never ever. See, for people that don't like to read, like, how what a gift is that?

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

No, he came to me after like four or five books, and he's like, Hey, I think I love reading. So, I know, like it's a dispense now, yeah. Because he was it was a whole world that he didn't experience.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

I think working in a dyslexia center really formed my opinion on audiobooks, which is like that is an accommodation that absolutely should be allowed for kids that struggle with reading, and I don't care what you think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that goes back to, you know, every kid learns differently, and you have to treat some kids differently because that's right, fair is an equal.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

Yeah. You know, some um Connor doesn't like to read. I mean, doesn't like to read. Um but um kind of the same, I feel like he was force fed reading growing up. He's probably dyslexic, honey. If you're listening to me, Mike is dyslexic. Um, but his his dad, his brother, both of his brothers are dyslexic. So like this is not like it's just undiagnosed for um, but I think he got such a negative connotation of like, no, reading is not fun. So I'm not a reader, so I'm not going to read. Yeah. And then it was also, it wasn't until later, like even recently in the last two years, where he like set a goal of like, I'm gonna read 20 pages a day. But he learned he prefers nonfiction books. Yes. Like he doesn't want to read a fiction book. And well, what do you read for most of your childhood education? Is like they're forcing you to read. He likes he loves a salt, like the Robert Green Art of War books. He's like locked in. And I'm like, why is this it? Like, I mean, I don't care, but I'm just like, why is this the thing? And it's still like, you know, he still works at it, but um, it's also it's like listening to audiobooks can help you discover that you love like reading, or like finding the right genre of books helps you realize like like it wasn't until I stopped reading for a while, and then um I hadn't read like a fantasy novel-ish in that spectrum at all for a really long time. And then I don't remember what I read, but I was like, oh my gosh, I do like reading. Yeah, like what's really doing. Like, there's this whole new world. Um, God, what did I read? It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 34:25

Um, so we totally got sidetracked and shocked. Um but so you went to East High. Yes, yes, that's right. We were talking about it. And you you liked school and you were good at school. What do you feel? Like, do you have any thoughts about your your public education? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

I will say I liked school until I got to high school and I became like just less of a people pleaser like most teenagers. And I didn't really enjoy high school. I think I've I have a a desire to like do what I want to do and for it to have value. And so schoolwork doesn't always feel that way, even though now as an adult I can see the value of everything that we did in school. But yeah, I was like, why? Yeah, like why am I doing this? So but in general, I had a really good experience. I had so many teachers who, like I said, would let me do more than maybe the other kids were doing. And I that's probably also a part of why I love libraries and librarianship is because I was given that opportunity for independent learning and like really sparking an interest um because it was needed for me at school. And so teachers did it. And just seeing that that's possible for kids helps me want to make that possible for other kids. And uh the library's uh a really good place to do something like that. There's a quote that's like education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire. And to me, that's like perfect for what Learning Lab does, what the library does of like let's find what kids are really interested in and focus in on that and allow them to explore those things. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 36:24

So you have children of your own. How did your experience shape uh how you look at their education?

SPEAKER_03 36:32

Yeah. I think again, it was probably more values versus like my experience because I I didn't have a a negative experience in school because it worked for me. But I think that trust part of it was really important to me because I I especially think you have to trust kids. Yeah, and uh that they are way more capable than we than most people give them credit for. And so I really did want to f have an education where they did get to choose and there was trust um in in their choices and what they were interested in, which is why we go to to Green Gate.

SPEAKER_06 37:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Um, and the same with my daughter, they are two very different learners, very different kids.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Yeah. Your her your older son has been here at Learning Lab for our fun Fridays. We love seeing him, but your daughter is very different.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

Yes, yeah. You know, we haven't had Katie Sayas on the podcast, so we haven't talked a ton about Green Gate. Why don't you guys like or Savannah? Why don't you share like why it's a good fit for your yeah?

SPEAKER_03 37:44

For my son, he really struggled with school in general um because he is the opposite of a people pleaser.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Like he doesn't speak first hand at learning. But um ask his permission to say that.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

He's an extremely lovable novel. No, he is.

SPEAKER_05 38:04

He is really so great, yes. And it's totally okay to not be a people pleaser. You just don't always encounter it.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

No, I think it's beautiful. I think I wish I could be more like that because he does like you don't just automatically get love and respect from, I mean, you get basic respect, but yeah, in general, he doesn't just like trust your opinion just because you're an adult. Yeah. Um, and he might disagree with you. And I think it is really a really neat thing, but it doesn't fit a lot of school models. Right. Right. Um, because when you have a big classroom, it's really hard to do something like that. You can't everyone can't just be doing their own thing. I can understand um like what the limitations that people have for the freedom to learn whatever interests someone, but Green Gate really gave us an opportunity to do that. Um, so he he was getting in trouble multiple schools um in kindergarten. Uh and then we moved to Green Gate, and I think I've gotten one call home at Wow. Yes. So that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 39:12

Because now he's in what? He's in going into eighth grade? He'll be in seventh grade, next grade. Okay, seventh grade.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Can you share what the Green Gate model is like?

SPEAKER_03 39:20

Yeah, so it's a nature-based school. So they spend at least two hours a day outside. They have chickens, they have goats, they climb trees, um, and then they have a lot of um freedom about what they're doing. So they have their core classes, but they have plenty of time each day to decide what they want to do and what work they want to do. So if they finish early, they can do other things. Um, if they want to go off on a different tangent and different project, they can do that.

SPEAKER_06 39:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

Um, and they're also just really understanding about different personalities. Um, so you didn't have to be, you don't have to be a people pleaser to get along at Green Gate. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

Yeah. What a beautiful thing to make kids feel that they can be comfortable being who they are.

SPEAKER_05 40:09

Yes. Yeah. Well, and so if if anybody's listening to the podcast, you probably heard me say, uh heard us talk about that. My son also goes to Greengate, thanks, Savannah. Savannah was my like trusted person to be like, okay, so your children go, yeah, your son goes there and everything's fine. Yeah. Um, but I know it was super important to me that, and it's still no matter what, I want kids to enjoy their childhood and like be kids. And I think too often they're rushed to being like professionals. Um, and so I really like that Green Gate does a good job. Katie talks about it all the time at the director of like, we want to give kids the space to be kids. Yeah. And, you know, that's we're gonna focus on the things that have to get done, but we are also going to focus on this is their childhood, and we're not gonna like rush through their childhood. So that was really important to me too.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

No, I'd say my only complaint is that uh my daughter has to take a bath every single day. And my bath is so dirty. The tub is filled with dirt almost every day because they played so hard outside. And nobody's like, hey, don't get messy.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

Yeah, they can go outside in the rain, they can go outside in the snow, they can go out in the mud. It is just like, no, you better have that extra change of clothes in their backpack, or this is all coming into your car.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

Yeah, very different from what we perceive to be a traditional education, yeah. So um, which is we think good. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

Absolutely. I think with all of so we talked about education, education experiences, obviously, tying this back to the library. You all care about literacy. We want all kids to have strong literacy skills. So what advice, tips, tricks, I don't know. Families that are trying to help their education environments help the literacy skills in their kids grow. What do you have on recommendations?

SPEAKER_03 42:01

I think my number one thing would be that families should really focus on connection around reading versus like reading a certain amount of time or reading a certain number of books. Because I think like having that experience with your parent of like sharing a book or talking about books or talking about characters is gonna be so much more motivating for a kid than like having to fill out your I read my 20 minutes um every week. So again, uh not having it be like a medicine, having it be something that you really enjoy doing together. And then once you aren't reading together, making sure that your kids know that they can choose the books that they enjoy and not just the books that are on their grade level or perfect for them. We we talked about accelerated reader. Um, we don't label our books with accelerated reader um numbers or number levels, um, specifically because we don't want people to um feel like books aren't for them.

SPEAKER_06 43:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

Uh yeah or parents to say you put that one back because that's a fifth grade book and you're in fourth grade. Um, so it does kind of create some stigma around uh what reading levels are. So we try to steer away from that too, because it isn't uh it is a game for some of us. We really loved it, but it isn't always for other people. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Yeah, absolutely. No, that's super great. I so uh aside from and you touched on this at the beginning, but aside from obviously encouraging literacy and ha people having access to books and materials, um what role talk about what role a library plays in the community? Why is it important for our community to have strong public libraries?

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Yeah. I think like our the library's number one asset is. Is library staff. Like you, we talked about librarians and how they are earlier. And you'll never find another profession where people are going in to just walk alongside you to get whatever you need figured out, figured out. Um, you can come in and there's someone who's going to help you apply for a job. Um, I've helped someone write an address on an envelope before because they had trouble seeing. They want to send a letter to their sister. Um, we're gonna help you teach your child how to read. We're going, we can help you start a business, we can help you um learn a new skill or try a new hobby, or even just like connect with other people. And library staff are what's needed to be able to do something like that. That like we can have all the books and all the things in the world. But if there aren't the people there who are facilitating that, then they're just we're just a warehouse of things. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

I mean, I think that's an important point because you know, digitizing everything is changing or and has changed our world, but we all still need human connection. Yeah. That's why when you say you have an online school, I mean, people still need to find ways for people to gather together and have that human contact. Um, so I love that point about, you know, we can help you, but you need people to help. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

And we don't do things for people. Like we're not applying for the job, but we are making sure that they have someone holding their hand, helping them. And a lot of people don't have that in their life. There isn't everyone doesn't have someone who's going to teach them how to apply for a job or um help them start a business. They either don't know anyone or they're just everyone in their life is too busy to do something like that. And so being able to just like walk in the door and know that there's someone there who cares about whatever you need to do to thrive. And we're gonna help you figure it out and do it, um, not do it for you, but teach you how to do it so that you can leave and go home and do it yourself too.

SPEAKER_06 46:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

Um, is is really like the the highlight of library staff. I know you guys know Lexi. Our teen librarian. Yes. Lexi turns. Yes, Lexi, who's an amazing teen librarian, amazing with teens. Um, she runs our teen advisory board, and that's a group of kids um that can come together and like they have this space to belong that maybe they wouldn't have otherwise. And she is really the person who's made that space possible. Um, and she calls it, I've heard her call it heartwork before. Yeah, and I always think that's um such a perfect.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

I mean, she has a gift of like people. Yes, you know, and yeah. Um so I'm glad what she's our friend too. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05 47:07

No, she's special.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

And I would add like the library is for families to do it the way that uh is best for them. So we say things like like for early literacy, we say you should play, talk, sing, read, and write with your kid. But we don't say what you should sing, we don't say what you should say. We're just giving you a framework so that you can take that back and like help your child learn in the way that fits your family. Um, and I think that that's really important because sometimes things don't work for everyone. Or if you make a routine or um a skill difficult to teach, then it's harder to incorporate it into your day. But if we're just like talk with your kid, anyone can do that. You can talk about anything. You can talk about what you're doing, what you're where you're driving, what you're shopping for, uh, and there isn't necessarily like a certain thing you have to say.

SPEAKER_05 48:06

You saying that made me think it's been really fun. We play um an animal guessing game at dinner now where you can, it's like 21 questions, but to guess an animal. But we don't count my husband counts questions, but I don't care. But it's been really fun to watch Lila's language develop about her questioning. Like now she has questions and she's like grown in um, you know, the the first few times you'd be like, Well, is it a turtle? And she'd be like, No, it's an elephant. And we're like, no, no, no, no, you just say no. Um so she's like like physically like held her mouth shut before to like announcing it. Um and then the other day, like crew said, Is it a werewolf? But the answer was wolf. And I had heard her say like it was wolf, and she went, and then she was like, No, no, no. So I just love that point of like, no, like talking with your kid is really important. Can you find a thing that the animal guessing game has been fun for our family because I feel like it brings in different adjectives, like how tall is it, or like how big is it? What color? Like, can I like it brings in a lot of language words that I don't feel like we use in a normal regular conversation? Yeah, I love that idea. But I think that's a really that's a really I like that framework that you just said of yeah, say, sing, what'd you say?

SPEAKER_03 49:23

Play, talk, read, sing, write. Okay. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 49:27

Love talk, read, sing, write. Right. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think talking is underrated. It is really intentional talking. Yeah. Because you say, How is school? And your kid says, Fine, what'd you do? Nothing. And so we used to make them do highs and lows. Uh-huh. Um, and that, I mean, it's very simple, but yeah, if you have a activity to do at dinner that is like a conversational activity, we learned a lot more from highs and lows than if that was your day. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:56

We do high low buffalo. So buffalo is something that surprised you that day. Yeah. And that's always an interesting one to be like, what a and usually it's something very recent, like, I didn't know dad was gonna pick me up today. And I'm like, okay. But sometimes we get a good little nugget. Well, that's really fun. We um, you know what we do here at Learning Lab pretty well. We talk with a lot of families about like personalizing their kids' learning. So when you think about um, like what else would you want them to know about? Like, okay, if I'm a family parent who's trying to help personalize my kids' learning, what what else would you want them to know now?

SPEAKER_03 50:34

I think one misconception we get a lot is that um uh parents with young kids don't come, don't need to come to the library. So like they start the library when their child uh knows how to read. But really, like if you develop pre-reading skills, uh then your chances of reading in kindergarten are gonna be so much higher. So uh really like coming in intentionally even before your kid can pick up a book and read is really important.

SPEAKER_06 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Uh like 90% of your neural neural connections in your brain are developed by the time you're three years old. So it's like this super critical time that we don't always like pay a lot of attention to. Sure. Um, and so coming in and getting used to being at the library and getting books, even if your your kiddo doesn't know how to read and participating in the program. So, like we have summer reading program and we retitled it to pre-readers for our younger kids because we heard so many parents say, like, oh well, my kid doesn't know how to read, so we're not gonna sign our three-year-old up for summer reading program, but you you can.

SPEAKER_05 51:44

Yeah. Yeah. I think something else I would want people to know about at least our library, libraries here. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think a misconception is also that they're super quiet and like your kids. And I'm just thinking about like when I brought in crew and Lila lately, and I mean Lila is so loud. And so um, but that's your libraries are not like museums. The museum. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, you want the family to show up, you want the toddlers to come. I mean, like, I just think that's a really important thing. Yes. And and most libraries I've been to recently operate that way. It's just we don't. I think there's a lot of people. I know as a parent with the toddler, I was like, I don't want to go to the library because he's gonna be, they're gonna be everywhere or we're gonna be loud or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 52:27

And that was not the case. Yeah. So I don't know how it ever became that way in the first place because it is so unnatural to have a place where nobody can talk above a whisper. So and I do think it, yeah, it's like lasted all this time where people are like, Oh, you I don't want to go in there because that feels really unnatural to me to be quiet.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

And it feels unwelcome. Yeah, it feels unwelcoming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

But yeah, no, there's kids screaming and yelling in our kids area every day.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

And we like it. And I love I do the kids' area is super great, especially at the downtown library. Yeah. Okay, I have two questions, and then Krista can ask whatever questions she wants to ask. Um, most importantly, what's your favorite book?

SPEAKER_03 53:06

Oh, um when I think favorite, I always think like what I've read recently. So I don't know if it's like ultimate favorite, but my favorite recently. Um, we uh had the author Pete Davis come out. He wrote a book called Dedicated. Um, and it's all about how important it is to be involved in your community and be together with people, join clubs, um, and how like that's really the foundation of democracy and our country is like being with each other um in community. I love that. It yes, that's to me. No, it was amazing. Some of the things he talked about were like just so inspiring about even just doing things like a potluck or um yeah, or the time that a neighborhood association spends like arguing over something that seems really small and insignificant, like even those moments are so important to building community and like finding a connection with people. So even things that you're like, oh, I wish I could go home now. Um they're important. Yeah, they're important to do. So I would say that's probably my favorite book right now. That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_05 54:24

I love that. Kristen's gonna put it on our list. Kristen, what's your favorite book?

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Of all time. I know it's so hard to pick an all-time favorite.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

It is hard. I I every the last book I read is always my favorite book, but I did just read The Correspondent. You did really talk about that book.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

Yeah, I didn't have I read that one. And I can't. I'm sorry. I don't remember names. Lydia remembers everything's name and everybody's name. But anyway, it's new. You can find it on the email. You can probably find it at the library. It was actually a book, and there's a name for this type of book when it's like written in different correspondences. Oh yeah. Um, and so was like letters and um emails. And I actually thought like that was kind of a tired style of book, just because like a lot of like teen books are written like that because it's easier to read. Yeah. Uh it's like multi-genre something, anyways. But this book was so good because it the narrator, the main narrator, was an older woman. And um it really kind of reflected on some like some events of her life. And for me, it gave me an appreciation of it's just the idea that like life is fleeting. Like you can you, you know, everybody has hard things happen, but there's beauty in those things, and you have to like try to enjoy the struggle. Um, and I just feel like it's a book that anyone could relate to. And sometimes I don't always pick up books um that are about like people that aren't like me. Yeah, you know, and she's an older person, and I I might be getting there in person. Yeah, but um, but I also really love the book A Man Called Ove. Yeah, that is a good one. That's one of my all-time favorite books. I think I listened to that one. Um it is so good, and that's about an older man. And I think books that are told from like that perspective of somebody with some experiences under their belt, like it just makes you reflect on it's so easy to get caught up in what you're the day-to-day that yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:35

There's a word for that, uh for that realization of like we're all not living the same life. Like there's a there's a it's not an English word, there's like another language, but that's what um that's what you talking about, those books makes me think about. It's like, oh yeah, like that could that would be somebody's life, or like I've never thought about what it's like to be. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

You kind of get stuck in your own experience.

SPEAKER_05 56:57

Yeah, but again, it's kind of like back to like the traveling comment. You realize, like, oh yeah, we are not all living the same life. And um, my favorite book of all time is Gone with the Wind. And I think sorry we didn't ask you, but interesting. It's okay. I'm just asking a chance. I just wanted to like say it so we could like move on to my next question. Um, I feel like we talked about it before, but it was the first I read it in eighth grade. Up until that point, I think I every book I had read had a happy ending. And Gone with the Wind does not have a happy ending. And it was very like earth-altering. Do you actually love it?

SPEAKER_04 57:32

Or like I don't think it's I still think it's painful, but I might like respect the art or something.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

I think I love it because it's real.

SPEAKER_06 57:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

Life is not life does not only happy endings most of the time.

SPEAKER_05 57:47

So then, like Margaret Mitchell, who wrote Gommetha Wind, that's the other one. You're like, no, um, she wrote like a sequel to it where it did have a happy ending. And I was like, I actually don't enjoy this book as much as Gone with the Wind because it's like you she must have gotten a lot of like flack for like, no, how could you not let them end up being happy in the end? Um, but then obviously also with Gometh the When there's all of the historical things. I keep going, I think about it all the time because I think about like how my what my perception was as an eighth grader versus now with what I'm saying. That's when you read it because I read it eighth grade. So we were middle schoolers reading strange books for middle schoolers. Okay. And then my last my second question is um, you, Savannah, I already teased this out. I don't know if you even thought about it. But what are your non-negotiables as a person or in a professional? Like, what are the things you will not compromise on when it comes to what you do?

SPEAKER_03 58:47

I think the idea that there are people who aren't worthy of something. Like I I truly believe that absolutely everybody, regardless of what they've done or how they feel or where they are in life, like is worthy of respect and um like being poured into, yeah, regardless of what's going on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

That you deserve to be treated well just because you because you're a human being. Yeah. And I feel like so many times people forget that. I see it with teenage girls all the time. And that's where it really like is irritates me. Like, I don't know how many times I've said to one of my girls, like, how is it that that girl actually thinks that she is more important than another person? You guys are all have the same value. And my girls, they know that nobody's more important. Yeah. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

They yeah, they should. They should. Because there, yeah, there is like inherent value in just being human.

SPEAKER_04 59:56

Great if we could all keep that front of mind.

SPEAKER_05 59:58

Yeah. Amen. Well, the library does an amazing job, and you as a person do an amazing job. Thank you. Creating that space at the library and holding space for people from all walks of life.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:10

Um, because everyone is welcome at the library. I love libraries. I mean, I we talk about like we are a community hub too, but I always compare us to the library in the sense of people are coming here for a reason. Like, or like, you know, just a more specific purpose. But the library is where all ages, all background, I mean, there's just everyone, everyone is welcome at the library. They're very important to our community.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:34

I love how your job matches your values.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

I I do too. I don't know that I would survive if it didn't really have a hard time.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Such a good lesson to our kids is maybe it's important to determine what's important to you, but like as a value before you pick a career because you might like like whatever math, but it might not fulfill you here. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:59

No, it's true. That's right. Well, thank you for all that you do for our community. We loved having you on. So thanks for chatting about all the things with us. Um, Kristen, anything else you want Savannah to share before we sign off?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

I don't think so. Thank you. You did a great job, Savannah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Fantastic job. Thanks, Savannah. Thank you for having me.