This AA Comment Proves Everything. Perfect Example of AA Members Lying.

In this episode, we expose how defenders of AA often lie in their rebuttals, focusing on a commenter's perfect example of the cult-like mentality within Alcoholics Anonymous.

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Would you like to hear an example of how defenders of Alcoholics Anonymous absolutely lie with their rebuttals? Well let's delve into one of my commenters. A perfect example of how they do just that. I had a comment from a previous article that will prove my point on the cult-like mentality of Alcoholics Anonymous. I could have gone back and forth to the end of time with this guy, but arguing with a cult member is a lot like arguing with a Christian fundamentalist, which are also members of a religious cult. No matter what evidence you present to them stating the world is not four to six thousand years old, no matter what facts you lay on their table that show there was never a global flood, they will always have a nonsensical rebuttal. And they lie in defense of their cult. It is a mental defense because they can't come to grips that they are actually brainwashed. For have you ever heard a cult member stand up and say, Yes, I am an occult. They indoctrinate all of us weakly. You are completely right with the facts you laid before me. Sometimes someone does reach this conclusion, usually on their own. They realize they're an occult and have been following like a sheep for years or even decades. There are many channels of former fundamentalist cult members who are now attacking their former churches. And there are ex-members of the rooms doing the same thing. Because the response of the rare person who realizes he isn't a cult is to leave. And the people who leave all have the same stories of their experience in the cult. They claim the leaders use coercion and fear tactics and attempt to keep them there. They implement shaming tactics for dissenting opinions, and they lie through their teeth, continuing to claim that these tactics are not of a cult. I'm sure Jim Jones said the same thing. And they come to my articles and videos as well with their comments that are largely based on untruths. And they have a right to do this. If you attack a cult, you're gonna get a visceral rebuttal back. I got one recently. Apparently, I'm completely wrong about the message of the big book. I'm wrong about the meetings as well. No one is ostracizing other members who have differences of opinion and have the gall to state them out loud. But this was the first part of his comment regarding my knowledge of the book in question. Quote, I have studied this fellowship for years and have been to hundreds of meetings in many groups, locations, and cities, as well talk to even more members and newcomers. In the first few chapters, it does not say that spiritual intervention is the only thing that can keep you sober. It's the only thing that kept them, aka the people described in the program, as otherwise hopeless. Here is where context matters. The book clearly defines the hopeless alcoholic as one for whom no other method has worked. If other methods work for you, that's wonderful. It says in their book, and I believe it's on page 164, the steps are meant to be suggestive only. We realize we know only a little. He's about to prove my point on the dishonesty of the AA member. He acts like I've never read the big book. What he did is exactly what a Christian fundamentalist does. He took one sentence and tried to prove his contention. He left out the rest of the paragraph on page 164. Right after the quote of the steps are meant to be suggestive only. The book clearly states, and I quote it from this page, God will constantly disclose more to you and us. Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. Admit your faults to him and your fellows. Unquote. This is not the only time that the big book states that only divine intervention will save you from addiction, which they also state is a daily grant from the divine, in which you'll never claim cure. In chapters 4 through 6, they not only say the only way to manage your addiction is through spiritual intervention, it clearly states that man's methods cannot help this addiction. The commenter wrote that nowhere does a book state that spiritual intervention is the only way, when in fact it does multiple times, no matter what context you look at those words. They even suggest how atheists should reconsider their beliefs as a whole. The book contends as well that their ultimate hope is that every alcoholic is part of the fellowship. These are not my words, they are the words of the big book itself. Now, as far as using other methods, yes, the big book states you can use outside sources to help you with your addiction. But their message is you always need the fellowship. This is another deliberate untruth written by that commenter. He acts as if the rooms are just fine if someone drops them for the Modern Smart program. They certainly are not, and I will discuss their backlash shortly. The Big Book is emphatic and repeatedly states that you must find reconciliation with God if you want to stay sober. Their 12 steps are literally taken from the fanatical Christians of the Oxford group. The steps are mandatory for recovery, as is the sponsor, and the meetings in the rooms. All under the guise of divine intervention declared by Bill Wilson himself. They may not talk religion in the rooms, but they are practicing fanatical Christianity. And the big book is guiding the program as necessary every step of the way. Either this commenter is so brainwashed as he states he has been to hundreds of meetings, or he is digging in his heels and just flat out lying to defend his cult. In the long time, members of the rooms do lie when defending their circle. We just caught this one who took one sentence and then left out the following sentences that give it the true context. But he continues in his comment about the meetings themselves. And here is his second part. Something else that is repeated in the rooms, and I'm sorry you didn't get to hear this, we do not have the monopoly on the solution to alcoholism. In fact, sponsees are taught not to criticize other people's conception of a solution or a higher power, as alcoholics can be very stubborn people, and therefore be driven away by unsolicited advice. Though not everyone in the program agrees, suggestions, not advice, is what many people prefer to advocate for in this program. Let me put it this way: if a man or two says women shouldn't be allowed to vote, or any other discriminatory statement, surely that doesn't mean that men as an entire category hold this belief. The same is true for some unhelpful AA members. Ostracizing also goes against their moral principles, reflected by the messages in the last chapter of their big book. And my response, absolutely this is not how the meetings are run. Two for two meetings in two different locations, they stated AA was the only way when I attended. I was lectured adamantly for being 11 months sober and not starting the steps. No one was happy about my 11 months. And before you start knocking that I went to two meetings, be advised. I had family members who were longtime AA members and also left. They remain sober today. I am well familiar with the tactics of the rooms. But let's look at others who left AA. They all say the same thing. All these people from all over the country seem to have the same tale. They were coerced as the senior members tried to get them back. The sponsor would harass them. Look what they call us, years sober recovered without AA. They call us dry drums. They cannot accept that true reinvention of self doesn't happen with an AA meeting. As a matter of fact, the rooms will keep your soul in prison. Many interviewees on Kirsten Johnson's channel, actually all of them that I've heard so far, say they were lectured, harassed, and ostracized after leaving AA. The standard response is, well, there'll be a chair waiting for you when you relapse, or you're gonna die without AA. These types of post-AA revelations are rampant and widespread across the nation. Again, commenter. You don't see it because you're brainwashed with the cult. Or you're lying, because I have never heard an active AA member be honest about the true nature of their meetings. Then the commenter lies about the effectiveness of the methods of the runes. He speaks about how many lives were saved. That is incorrect. AA fails 80-95% of the time, depending on who you read. Then he lies by bringing up that old Stanford study that showed AA was the most effective way to battle alcoholism. I cannot believe that there are still some bringing up that study as a talking point. That study was extremely flawed. I plan to have an entire article in the future debunking Stanford that basically went in without the proper data of proving AA effective when it not only isn't, but isn't for the vast majority. And no, I'm not saying that we have a new method that has long-term success. We have several new programs of treatment that are only years and a few decades old. There hasn't been enough time to gather the long-term results. But we have good moderate-term results for some of them, which is far better than the rooms present. As time passes, those moderate term may turn into long-term success, in which Alcoholics Anonymous will be finished as a mainstream program. The one thing we do know, however, is that in almost a century, AA fails most. That is a statistical fact of the majority of studies, minus Stanford's flawed one. Now I don't have a paid program, but I promise if you get involved in basic fitness, clean diet, and meditative activities, as well as constantly advanced self, you won't feel a need to drink. Most of that need will be gone by six months, and there will only be a slight residual at two years when I state you can claim cure. But beware of those advocating for AA like this commenter. They all have the same defense rebuttals, just like Christian fundamentalists have quote, explanations for all the genres of science that prove the world is not 4 to 6,000 years old. Both groups lie, plain and simple. Both groups have their own members shaking their heads emphatically when their leaders, whether they're acknowledged as leaders or not, state their tenets. And both groups all have the traits of a cult and both want to advance their cults. I could have literally predicted what this commenter would rebuttal with, as all of their rebuttals are the same when defending Alcoholics Anonymous. Because members of a cult no longer operate on the grounds of healthy reason. As long as most step into the rooms to overcome their addiction, most will stay in that addicted state forever, whether they stop drinking or not. Now, if you found this content helpful, go ahead and follow along and subscribe. And to see my condensed version of How I Beat Alcoholism, check out my work, The Small Book How I Beat Alcoholism and Why Alcoholics Anonymous Doesn't Work. Link is in the description, usually free on KDP. And remember, keep your contract, be sober at sundown, and I will see you at the next sunrise.