2 Doctors & a Twist
Hosted by Dr. Jamie Chesler and Dr. Marilyn Carroll, 2 Doctors & A Twist brings you dynamic conversations at the intersection of personal brand, business, and AI-driven leadership. As professors and practitioners, we break down complex ideas into practical insights you can use right away—whether you’re building your brand, growing your career, or leading in a world reshaped by technology.
With each 30–45 minute episode, we educate, inspire, and empower you to thrive—giving you both the clarity and the confidence to stand out in the age of AI.*
mission is to educate, inspire, and empower professionals to thrive at the intersection of personal brand, business fundamentals, and AI-driven leadership. As professors and practitioners, we bridge academic insight with real-world application, creating conversations that are both practical and future-focused.
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2 Doctors & a Twist
Leadership After the Promotion (Why It Gets Quieter)
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In this special guest episode of Two Doctors in a Twist, Dr. Marilyn Carroll and Dr. Jamie Chesler are joined by Dr. Ben Capell, an international executive coach with a background in team and leadership development, values, inclusion, and organizational change. With experience living and working across multiple countries—and early leadership development work at HP—Dr. Capell offers a grounded, global perspective on what really shifts when a leader gets promoted.
What leaders underestimate after a promotion
The episode opens with a core reality: most people assume a promotion means doing the same job at a higher level—but it doesn’t. Promotion creates a system-level identity shift, including:
- joining a new senior team and finding your place at the table
- navigating new stakeholders, expectations, and power dynamics
- shifting from detail ownership to strategic leadership
- detaching from the comfort zone of the previous role
- (for global leaders) adapting to new locations, cultures, and communication norms
Why leaders “retreat to the weeds”
A major theme is the pattern Dr. Capell sees often: when leaders feel overwhelmed in a new role, they revert to what they know—execution and details. It’s not because they’re incapable; it’s because the new level introduces unfamiliar challenges (team dynamics, stakeholder politics, decision-making ambiguity). Coaching helps leaders shift from managing tasks to leading through perspective, priorities, and influence.
A key coaching question he uses:
“What does the team need from you at this level—right now?”
The human side: confidence dips, imposter syndrome rises
Global leadership: silence, hierarchy, and cultural nuance
Dr. Capell explains how leadership changes across cultures—especially when moving from the U.S. to more collectivist or hierarchical environments:
- communication may be less direct
- hierarchy may influence who speaks and when
- debate may be more structured and less confrontational
- leaders may be expected to appear more decisive
Contribution vs. protection: how leaders can tell they’re in “self-protect mode”
One of the strongest sections of the episode: Dr. Capell explains how leaders can spot when they’re protecting themselves instead of contributing:
- conversations stop when you enter the room
- the team becomes dependent and waits for direction
- people ask fewer questions and share less information
- there’s a subtle “hiding” or hesitation around you
These are signals that leadership may be limiting growth—often driven by fear and self-protection rather than legacy and development.
Rapid-fire leadership tools (practical takeaways)
Dr. Capell offers quick actions leaders can apply immediately:
- One question to ask this week: “Where can I show more trust or let go so my team can grow?”
- One meeting behavior to stop: being the first to offer ideas—let the team speak first to avoid premature alignment
- One signal to watch: what happens when you enter the room
The twist
Dr. Marilyn Carroll lands the episode with the key reframe:
“Leadership doesn’t get easier after the promotion—it gets quieter.”
Bottom line: This episode is a roadmap for leaders stepping into bigger roles—especially across cultures—showing why promotions require not just more competence, but a deeper shift in identity, influence, and trust.
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