The Lesley Hawkins Podcast
Anchored by the question, "What’s one pivotal moment in your life?",
Lesley hosts candid, personal conversations that reveal the turning points that shape who we are.
With her signature empathy, wit, and warmth, Lesley creates space for guests to open up, sparking insights that challenge assumptions, stir reflection, and ignite growth.
Each episode blends honest stories, surprising insights, and moments of laughter, leaving listeners feeling inspired, seen, and more deeply connected to the human experience.
The Lesley Hawkins Podcast
Sonia Houle - A Brutal Diagnosis at 28 Changed Everything
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At 28 years old, our guest received a diagnosis that stopped her life in its tracks. Breast cancer. And with it, medically induced menopause that no one her age expects to navigate.
So she did what many high-achievers do when life becomes unmanageable. She threw herself into work. A demanding career in marketing became both her anchor and her escape.
But the body keeps score. And eventually, hers sent a message she could no longer ignore. Her nervous system was running on empty.
So she walked away from the noise of city life and started over, building a short-term rental business in the quiet countryside.
This is a conversation about what happens when you finally stop outrunning yourself, and about slowing down not as a retreat, but as an act of profound reinvention.
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Lesley Hawkins is a keynote speaker, leadership strategist, and storyteller who believes growth happens in the everyday moments that define who we become. Drawing on years of experience leading, guiding, and mentoring teams, Lesley brings authenticity, curiousity, and heart to the conversation, as each interaction is an opportunity to define what truly matters.
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Welcome to the Leslie Hawkins Podcast. Each week, my guest and I discuss one pivotal moment in their life, what they learned from it, and their words of wisdom. At 28 years old, our guest received a diagnosis that stopped her life in its tracks. Breast cancer. And with it, medically induced menopause that no one her age expects to navigate. So she did what many high achievers do when life becomes unmanageable. She threw herself into work. A demanding career in marketing became both her anchor and her escape. But the body keeps score, and eventually, hers sent a message she could no longer ignore. Her nervous system was running on empty. So she walked away from the noise of city life and started over, building a short-term rental business in the quiet countryside. This is a conversation about what happens when you finally stop outrunning yourself and about slowing down, not as a retreat, but as an act of profound reinvention. Welcome to the Leslie Hawkins Podcast. I am so grateful that you are here. Please welcome today's guest, Sonia Hool. So Sonia is a seasoned marketer and the owner of an eight-bedroom retreat in the heart of Prince Edward County, which is about two and a half hours east of Toronto. And it is an absolute haven with not only a beautiful house and retreat, but the grounds are amazing. And the dogs love it. And we have been coming here for eight, 10 years, eight, nine years maybe. And uh through that, you and I have become friends. And obviously, Rich, your husband, and obviously Marley. Yes, your dog. And so our dogs sort of hang out together, which makes this place just so incredibly special. Yes. It's been awesome.
SPEAKER_01It's it's uh it is a gift when you get to meet people through through different walks of life in general. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and this place is so special. So love it. So kind. Um, so this podcast is all based on one question, which is what is one pivotal moment in your life? And the reason that is the question is first, it's quite universal, right? We all have multiple pivots through our life. Totally. Some small, some within our control, some big that are not in our control, that are sort of imposed on us. And having gone through enough pivots in my life, found that there can be times where you're standing on an island and you're the only feels like you're the only person. And yet there's an entire community of people out there who have been there, done that. Uh, and and when you start talking about it, it changes your perspective and it's so much better. And so I wanted to create this platform where the audience could meet incredible people like yourself, but also hear about these great stories and give them a sense of how other people are managing through, have managed through, and just give them a great platform.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's awesome because it it's hard when you feel like you're alone, completely alone, and no one can relate. And so it is beautiful when you can find pieces that you can connect to in other people's stories.
SPEAKER_00Right, exactly. So let me ask you, Sonia, what is one pivotal moment in your life?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Uh for me, it was um there definitely is a defining moment of kind of my life before and after I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Um, I was in my late 20s and uh I was diagnosed with stage three um breast cancer, kind of found the lump um myself, brought it up to a doctor. Um at the time, like I being 28, uh, that is something that carried with me throughout the whole journey because people are always so shocked about how old how old I was, young I was. Yes. Um I'm 28, yes. 28. And I find a lump. Um was not looking for a lump. I was on the phone with uh a good friend, actually complaining about the first fight I had with Rich, which I do always think is an interesting part of the story. Um, but I just I fit I just found something and it wasn't uh didn't feel like a big deal at the time, but I had a doctor's appointment coming up, and so I just brought it up. Yes. Um, and so she did a check, and uh her feeling at the time was that I was too young. But in the next, you know, the next uh breath kind of said, well, uh because it is different than your other breast, we'll send you for uh an ultrasound. Um and pretty quickly thereafter, within the next, you know, three, four weeks, uh, I was being diagnosed with breast cancer. Um, and uh mastectomy was scheduled. So I had my left breast removed, um, and then spent nine months uh in the journey of cancer. So the uh radiation and chemotherapy. Um yeah, that that was that was a big one. That was it was a it a lot. Um, I had mentioned earlier that um through that time I was also put in menopause. Uh which is so crazy at 28. Which it was crazy at 28. It's it's um it's crazy at any age. But I think the the one thing also, this being 20 years ago, the conversation about menopause was very different, if if even existent. You know, it just um you knew it to be uh ladies go crazy and then have body parts removed or whatever. But right, um so I I I would say that that it was a a um like a bit of a void that existed uh and is now luckily kind of being getting being uh communicated bit better to women and identify it as as um as things that can impact you larger than uh we expect in the world.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And so why were you why did the radiation trigger the menopause or was it planned? It was planned.
SPEAKER_01It was planned. It was a very aggressive cancer that was um very high in um estrogen? Thank you. In estrogen. And so in order to prevent a reoccurrence, the idea is you starve the body of of the estrogen and hope that um hope that it doesn't reoccur. Okay. So uh yeah. So how do you do that? Um needles. Oh needles and then um uh pills on a daily basis. So essentially when I was diagnosed when I was 28 was the last time I had my period.
SPEAKER_00Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01It's not bad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay. Like one of the worst things, yeah, yeah. It totally is bad.
SPEAKER_01One of the not bad things, but okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so, all right. So you do your nine-month journey of radiation, well, you do surgery, radiation, chemo. Yeah, and then like I'm going right back to work.
SPEAKER_01Uh within a couple of months. Okay. Um, yeah. I mean, I think everybody gets also antsy when you're sitting at home and you want something to do, which kind of brings, you know, we'll we'll kind of loop back to that a little later in the conversation. But um yeah, I just I uh, you know, I was young and I just wanted to get back at it. So I went back to work. Um and it it was great, but I think in the next the next many years is where my focus started to become very work-heavy. Um, you know, I worked at at uh a few different places, including a few marketing agencies, uh, and they were great experiences, but the uh the life within an agency is is is hard and it's quite giving. You're you give a lot of your time and your extra time and your weekends and cancel plans, and um that was a lot of fun in part, but I think it just uh also fed into a lot of um anxiety and and stress, and I was saying disassociation and just like slowly within time, because it just kind of felt like over all of those years, it was just you were like working, and when you weren't working, you were at home drinking wine with friends or whomever. And then when that wasn't happening, like you know, you were back at work or you were just sleeping or recharging or whatever, whatever it was. But life just kind of really started to feel limited, I would say. And I I for myself didn't really see uh a whole lot of sustainability in that. I just didn't know how I was going to keep working the way I had been working, and I didn't even really understand like how to change it or how how that would happen.
SPEAKER_00So, did you prior to your diagnosis, were you working all the hours that God gave us?
SPEAKER_01Not as intensely, but I was also more junior in my career, right? So um but as the years passed, it just became and and my responsibility got larger, you know. You kind of grow and now you have a team. And and uh I guess just even the way I am and the way I work, I do really like, I do like to throw myself like fully into the things I'm working on, right? Which is a skill set but also a bit of a hindrance, which is a bit of a don't know to how to how to turn it off.
SPEAKER_00So as you have the benefit of hindsight, yes. When you went great. Uh when you look back at when you went back to work, do you think that you jumped in with both feet and both arms as a coping mechanism? Because then I don't need to manage, or did you do a good job going through the journey of dealing with the emotions that came with the diagnosis?
SPEAKER_01I don't know if I ever did a great job. I tried to, but I just think it's it was so many layers. Like even as the years have passed, there are different layers that have come up, right? Like I was not able to have children. And so the way, the way when I was diagnosed, it was not even presented to me as an option. And so that that was hard. Like that is still something that I find difficult. Not that I don't think I'm in the right place for for me and for my life and for the way it's all worked out, but just not having yes, not having decisions is is is uh is always control.
SPEAKER_00Like you control is yeah, she's the thing that keeps us exactly well, and it's a decision that you didn't get to choose, yes, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, any part of, and then yes, totally. And so, and then that as I was dealing with cancer, all my friends were starting to have kids. Yes, and so there's so it's in front of you, it's in front of you, and then also the the isolation get got a little worse. I'm I'm sure I'm with hindsight, you know, exaggerating the feelings, but it's just this the notion that you start becoming less less aligned with people that you used to be more aligned with because you start going in different directions. And it is very common piece of life for sure. It is just was also a common piece of my life. Like I understand it's uh quite a universal um experience, but except it's different when it it's you know, we always find that when you get to a certain age, everyone starts getting married, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes, like my niece and nephew are going through that stage, right? Where there's multiple weddings every year, and then you fast forward a few years, and then everyone's having kids together. And and when you're not exactly in that same lived experience, it's super lonely. Yeah. Not intentionally, 100%, right? No, you totally see the reality of where your life is.
SPEAKER_01Unrelatable, lonely, like it's just you kind of um, yeah, there's there's a difference that you start to feel. So that was okay, I think another pillar that was going for me in uh shaping me is what I'm trying to say in that time and kind of the trajectory of where where I wanted to go.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So then you decide at some point this isn't sustainable, gotta get off the hamster wheel. And what leads you to come to Prince Edward County? Like, what's leave Toronto? Like, what was the starting of that?
SPEAKER_01Rich and I both grew up in families that had cottages, and I don't know if that's super relevant, other than I kind of feel like we just like for us, you know, your days are spent kind of just like bike riding on the road, and it was a very simple um existence. And we loved city living, but we also like liked the idea of doing other things and experiencing a different way to be, like just just feeling like there has to be like there's not just one answer. I know there's not just one answer, and we and so um what else could it be for us? Um, and we had talked about it for a while. We had thought about lots of kind of different places, and we um, under a recommendation of somebody, we came out one weekend and checked this place out, and we're just like, this is so lovely. Like it just is like it has nice food and it has nature and it has water, and um, and who knew it was so close to to the city, right? It's been for a long time, it's been um a bit of a hidden hidden gem, and it just felt like for us, it kind of checked all the boxes, uh checked many boxes, let's just say. Um, and so uh we knew that we wanted to move here, but it was just kind of a one-day like this is enough. I can't do this anymore. Kind of came home from work and it was like, why, why do I feel like this? Yes, and um yeah, we just kind of said, okay, let's do it. And it yeah, I mean, it was very, it was very scary, but we didn't get to the point, and we still haven't really gotten to the full, like, so now, so now what? You know, like we just but and I think that's good. We've kind of let ourselves like um be fluid through the experience, okay, uh, which has helped us really other uh issues that we've had come up throughout the the years. But um because no journey, no journey is without thorns in the on the past, right? Some drama somewhere. There's got a piece of drama somewhere, totally.
SPEAKER_00So so leaving Toronto though, yes, and coming here that is so peaceful and so serene. Yes, it's one thing to do it for a weekend, yes. It's another thing to fully reset yourself to, you know, walking away from the busyness. Yes. How did you manage that?
SPEAKER_01Not very well. Okay, like honestly, not very well. I still, I still, it is I was just the kind of person I would I was working, and if I wasn't working, I was usually out after work, or I was just kind of like constantly moving and doing, and and uh we came in at inertia, like it just like it all just stopped. And um like I did, I did struggle with that quite a bit. I also have had the I um you know a few uh bigger things happen in that time. One being I also got Lyme in that first year. Um you got what? Lyme, like Lyme's disease.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, yeah, what?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And it was a pretty like uh uh well it's all over my body and stuff. So anyway, it was just like it just kind of felt like the the punches kind of kept kept coming. Um so it was like really peaceful and quiet, but then also you know, just um yeah. So um yeah, that's a lot.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So how did you how did you then I mean it's one thing to start the business and I think my perspective is from the outside looking in super easy to do, I know. Um that because this place is so unique, the the fact that you're a marketer works and that this you've now built this incredible business where you host events and you host people and it's fantastic and it's gorgeous. Um but how did you lean into the was this like okay, I left the crazy, now I'm gonna come here and I'm I'm going to take all that crazy and now all I'm gonna focus on is this, or did you find a way to create a balance? Still very much working on that. Okay, work in progress.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, totally. And I think when it comes to this, it has been hard for me to see it as success, I guess, is though like I I I we um our bookings are are increasing year over year, like by all metrics. Yeah, like I'm uh we are doing well, but I think it's just I don't know, it's interesting. Is it like the validation isn't coming from somewhere else, so it doesn't feel as important as it did? I often think about that, like how I even um tackle issues, you know. When it's for myself, I I find sometimes I don't fight as hard as I used to for my employer, right? Like if you needed to get something done, you could get it done for that other person. But sometimes when it's for yourself, it's yeah, just kind of like it's okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like it's I'm just gonna go easy on it. I'm just gonna go easy. I've had it. It's been enough. It's been enough. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So how did you manage to uh settle your nervous system?
SPEAKER_01Again, work in progress. Um it took a while to identify that that was the problem. And I think the nervous system was had become an issue and a problem. Um I I think it it happened over a really long period of time. Like I think it happened probably, you know, I can't even we're all born with so many, yeah so many moments, right? That we that we carry and things that we carry. Um but it just started to get louder. And I guess the when the silence, when the silence got louder, so did the anxiety a little bit. And I kind of am not sure if it was because I could finally like tune into it. Yes, or perhaps it was just a bit of a culmination of other things that were going on and and things that kind of came together. Um I did try conventional therapies, kind of a little less conventional therapies, uh, sound baths. I tried um a lot of things, and all of them are useful tools in the toolbox. Um, but for me, what really shifted because I I had had a weekend with a good friend in New York City, and I some other stuff was going on here back at the ranch that that was uh possibly going to impact our our futures. And um I just like couldn't shake it out of the weekend with my friend. And so I never get to see this girlfriend, and yeah, we get together and it's gonna be this amazing weekend. And I was just a wreck. Like if I couldn't snap myself out of it. And it had gotten to that point where it was like I was no longer in control of me, like with the way I felt. And I just it it whenever I felt something, I just felt like that's what it was, if that makes sense. Like I could no longer process through emotions, I think was the thing. And um and it was actually under her, and I've had some other good friends mention to me that uh, you know, some medication might be worth uh looking into because it had become a physical okay, like I had physically started to really feel the the the anxiety and the stress and stuff. So honestly, I don't know if this is psychosomatic, but within a day or two, yes, the buzzing stopped. Like the the actual buzz it I had, and so the doctor had thought it was a burnout, but and I I'm not uh discounting it. I just it's like I'm just not sure how in the 15-minute conversation I had with him, right? You know, but it's like it's working. I'm not I'm not complaining. It's working. Yes, it's working. Um, and we're we're all complicated and complex, but um, but yeah, and that was a huge, a huge uh saving grace for me. It really was. I kind of joked for the first while that I was gonna wear a t-shirt with the brand of medication on it because excuse me, because I can't like I kind of grew up in a space where it was like you didn't you didn't take medication for your you know, yeah, it's like and and also I have been on medication for so much of my life, but the idea of taking more more meds is not always you know where where I want to be. Some people are totally um fine with it. So so yeah, it was amazing how quickly and then how much space it starts to slowly give you to to get back to self and to kind of like re rebalance.
SPEAKER_00I find it interesting that you leave the hubbub of major metropolitan international city where you're high functioning, all's good, and you go to where it's peace and quiet, and the anxiety and the nervous system kicks in. It was probably there the whole time. Yes, but not necessarily recognized as such.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Even I kind of get laughed at myself that first year. I got a job at one of the um new restaurants that was opening up, and it was a very popular, a very popular spot. And some days I would leave work, I'd be like, I'm literally see, like I was in charge of reservations, but I was, you know, I'm seating people, and it felt as stressful as it did when I was managing like multi-million dollar budgets, and that's when I kind of realized like I'm the problem. It's me. Like there's something in here, it's not just like the the the the vibrations of the world that are doing this. So um yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's so interesting. It's hard to reconcile though, I think. Yes, and I think it's easy to for people to say it's burnout because in some people it it is, but it's the I think as high achievers, where we attach so much value to our title, yes, whatever the title is, totally. Um, I think it's it's easy to when that gets removed, yes, to go, yeah, but yes, and to be seen.
SPEAKER_01Like the title is also, you know, like people care about your opinion. They can't, and sometimes I can like my personality is someone that can either feel the weight of that sometimes, or you're like, stop asking me questions, or you're like, Yes, no, I know stuff. So please like let me be part of right, let me be part of this.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, but there's this entire culture around title, yes, and it doesn't have to be corporate title, but it's title, like I'm a mom, I'm a sister, I'm a I'm a whatever identity, I'm a VP, I'm and you take some of that away, yes, and then we all sit there and go, hmm, yeah, this is interesting. Yes, my least favorite question that I had over the last year, having left corporate, is so what do you do, Leslie? I'm like, oh no. So it's taken me a while, right?
SPEAKER_01For my 20 seconds, this is what I do, yes, and to like reframe it, reframe it and to be comfortable with feeling that that's what you do. Like and and it being not unconventional, but it's not the same path everybody else is on. And that is also hard sometimes. Right.
SPEAKER_00Because you get the kind of like oh the raised eyebrow. What does that even mean? What does that like how how are you surviving? Yes, yes, I mean it's a totally, you know, judgment comes with it, whether it's yes meant to or not.
SPEAKER_01Totally, yes, totally judgment, but also curiosity slash, you know, uh deep down they're probably asking how they can do it too.
SPEAKER_00I was gonna say there is some envy. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, uh as I said at the beginning, our family has been coming here for eight, nine, ten years or whatever it is. Um and it when we first came, I was like, oh, yes, just check, check the box. Yes, please. Amazing. This is exactly what I want to do. And you know, it's spurred on our discovery of okay, what would it be like if we did something like this? We're still on that journey. We haven't yet taken the deep dive. Um but you're on a journey, like you're on the you're on a journey, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that that as an output does not even need to be the thing, right? I think it's like what you're doing is figuring out how you can exist differently. Differently, still within the same contract, but but a little different than than the way we have been told told, trained, like whatever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we've been raised with this is the box, right? This is what you do.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and it's exciting to step outside of it and go, oh, I can actually do something. Something totally different. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So you've been here now 10 years. Yeah. So tell us about this journey. Like starting this business and everything that it is and and what you do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's um this journey has been great. This journey, um there's been a lot of space in this chapter of the journey, and sometimes uh not to complain about time and space, but that is um, you know, as we were talking, the the thing that I think if you can crack that, like at least for myself, it it is um that's the that's the piece. Right. So it just in general, it's like um coming to a different place, different friends, not not the same groups of people kind of there to support you in the past. Um like from a business perspective, it's it's an exciting um well, uh I guess if I'm being honest, honest. Um it is it is exciting. I I like I like what we do. I like what the house, it's base in the world. It's this this great little place where people can really come together like you've done with your family, with your kids, with their friends. Like it's just a nice, a nice like getaway to escape together. It's not complicated. It's like things are taken care of, um, which is yeah, like that's what we're what we're trying to do. Um for me as an individual, like this is now it still takes it still takes time and effort for sure. Yes, but it's a bit up and running, and I think I'm kind of at the point where I'm excited and mentally capable to think about other things. Yeah, like for a long time I I wasn't and I know I was hiding, honestly, uh in the world, but I'm now at the point that I think that that the beauty of hindsight um that it's all for purpose. Like you sometimes it doesn't feel like it. Um uh sometimes it's like, am I ever gonna like want to do to know what I want to do again? Like just kind of I felt a little like lost in the in the sea, and I feel like it's at least I'm kind of coming in a bit closer to having an idea, but with no pressure to myself either. Because what I do not want to happen is I do not want to end up where I was. No. Um, and that is no no slam to anything or person, or it's just like I just I I want to keep trying to figure out other ways to exist.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Okay. And so your health today, yes, you're in a good place.
SPEAKER_01I'm in a great place. Yeah, I'm technically still in treatment. Okay. So I still um now I take uh I still take pills every day for up until a couple of years ago. I was getting needles every three months.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01Um, so it's kind of funny since uh cancer was so much part of my identity when I lived in uh the city because I was growing up through it. And then also I worked at um one of the cancer foundations for a year, which also did not do my nervous system any good because I used my story to try to get people to join, not to try to get people, but to inspire people. Um, because uh one thing that was very cool about that is I got to be in the room with one of the doctors who created some of the drugs I had been treated with. And so it is pretty neat when you see how the impact is circle and it's like things are being developed every day. So um, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay, good.
SPEAKER_01So your health is good, business is good, your health is good, yes. Okay, that's great. Yes, business is nice, and yeah, and I've I've been yeah, d redefining my own goals. Yes, and but but in the uh mindset to be able to do that, which is lovely, which is lovely. Yeah, yeah, that's where we all aspire to get to, right? Being self-sufficient. That is one of my goals. Okay, like not having to rely on other people, which we see so cuckoo. But I mean like gardening, yes, you know, canning, like how um how do we kind of rely on ourselves a little bit more? Not saying that we don't need you know, the world, but right, okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah I love it. Yeah, it's a good journey. Yeah. So as you look back, yes, and you think about the journey that you have been on, what have you, what are a few things you've learned about yourself?
SPEAKER_01I think the biggest thing right now is that I'm ever changing. I because you know, one of the things we talked about at one point was like who am who am I? You know, especially being so young when I was dieting. Not that I had not developed as a as a person, but you know, not not that deeply, I'm sure. So just um yeah, just to keep I'm just to keep keep exploring myself, like to tap into myself more and try to understand what's going on. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard. It is hard. We're very complicated, and life is not set up for us to actually really understand ourselves. At least that's my, you know, and you open you open your heart to people sometimes and they kind of just like, here she goes with this heady stuff again. You're like, okay, well, I get it. We're not all on the same path, but yeah, um just like you know, the the point of your podcast is there are a lot of people on similar paths, even though we're not all on the same one.
SPEAKER_00So exactly. Yeah, different stages within it.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00All right, my last question for you is what would be your words of wisdom for the audience?
SPEAKER_01This is like a hard one. I know it's a hard one, but I think I think at the core of it it's like YOLO. You only live once and it's gonna, it's kind of gonna hurt no matter what a little bit. Yes. Um so just try to do that which makes your soul feel good. And I know that those aren't always that's not always a possibility, like I understand that, but when you can, like that's yeah, you only live once and it's not that serious, even though it's serious, like it's uh you know that it's actually okay to to tap into whoever you are and try something different. Yes, yes, yes, and the worst thing that'll happen, like when we moved here, it was five years was the plan. Okay. So that was how I could kind of yes, five years. We can do we can do this for five years and see kind of where it goes from there. So it was just the baby steps. Okay, and it's easier that way. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think so. We have to. There was something I read once that said, especially when getting into projects and that is that we lie to ourselves about how long it's going to take. Because if you were, if you were true to yourself about the effort, we'd never get anything done.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So it's what it's just like, I'll just paint that room. It'll take me a day. And you're like, you know, seven days later. Yeah, like what the well, that's what it was gonna take. But we convinced ourselves that oh yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's probably one of my biggest learnings. I was like, why does everything take so long to do? Everything's because I've so lived in a world where yeah, there was 14 other people working with me doing it.
SPEAKER_01I was like, totally, yeah, yes, 100%. And then you also realize you were working in that example on a high functioning team. Absolutely. Imagine all the other teams that are out there that are not as high functioning. Like that takes forever, exactly right.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's awesome. Yes, well, thank you. Yes, oh my gosh, thank you. Appreciate this conversation. It's amazing to see you thriving. I love what you've built in this business. You guys are really great. You guys are great advocates and great friends. It's amazing. So blessed by that. Thank you. Thank you. The same back to you and you. Thank you for joining me today. Sonia is such a wonderful human who has been through a lot. And yet, to talk to her, you would never know. To go through all of this at 28 years old and then menopause for 20 years, I just can't imagine. If this story resonated with you, please share it with someone you care about and be sure to subscribe so you can continue to hear more pivotal stories involving one question, one turning point, one powerful story. I'll see you next week with another guest on the Leslie Hawkins podcast.
