In the Beginning

Did God kick Adam and Eve out of Eden to punish them or to save them? Let’s dive into this biblical question!  

Tag someone who needs to think about this!  

The Garden of Eden was perfect, but disobedience changed everything. When sin entered, God had to act. It wasn't just about punishment; it was about saving humanity from eternal separation from Him. By removing Adam and Eve, He prevented them from living forever in sin.  

Think about it: a good father must set boundaries for his children. God’s actions were rooted in love and mercy, not just discipline. This decision laid the groundwork for redemption through Christ.   

In essence, the story of the fall isn’t just a tale of punishment; it’s a narrative of hope and salvation. God’s plan to save us began even in Genesis!  

What do you believe?  

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Testament's Faith Podcast. I'm Ray Bratchall, and joining me again this evening is John Paul Murphy and John Quinn with the Word of Faith Church. And this evening's topic on this podcast that we're going to do in the beginning. Discussed one time a couple weeks ago, John Paul and I were having lunch and a fella asked us about some stuff, and one of them was in Genesis, did God remove Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden to punish them or to save them? So we're going to kind of talk about that tonight and discuss, have some discussions on that. Gentlemen, you want to start off?

SPEAKER_02 0:32

So to punish them or save 'em. Um well when d disobedience entered in, you know, God can't have you know, He's not a God that tolerates sin. And disobedience is a form of sin. So there is a you know, for the wages of sin is death. So, you know, people like well, they don't like talking about the punishment, but there is a punishment. God gives you freedom. But if there is, if you don't listen, there is a punishment that comes along.

unknown 1:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

God doesn't want you to do that. I mean, he makes that very clear throughout his word that he doesn't want that, but a lot of people, you know, look into that and say, Well, why is why is a God, a good God, gonna punish his people, you know? Why is that? Well, because you disobeyed, you know? Um, you know, I I look at them and I'm thinking, well, I wonder what their children are like if they don't ever they don't ever have any kind of punishment when you do something bad. And I'm not saying God's like a a person per se, but in the same sense, you know, there has to be something that, you know, he calls himself the good father.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Yeah. I mean, what kind of good father would you be if there wasn't a consequence for wrong actions? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Right. That's exactly right. So, and then to save them, you know, yeah, I look at it the same thing, you know, God did get them out of the garden to save them because if they'd have lived there, they would have never died, and then sin would have stayed in the garden, and that's the reason he kicked them out. He didn't kick them out of the world, he didn't wipe them off the face of the earth. So, in a way, he did save them. You know, he could have just that'd have been it right then and there, but he didn't. He did save the world um by by keeping them there. And then he if you read just more than this Genesis, you find out that he did come to save the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

So, I mean, you know, in the long story, you know, he did come back to save the world, the whole world. So, you know, that's my first initial thoughts on it.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Well, he he took them out if you look in Genesis uh three twenty-two through twenty four. You didn't have that one, did you? Okay. And the Lord God said, Behold, man is become as one of us to know good and evil. And now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live forever, therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the gar the ground from whence he was taken. So he was drove out so he drove out the man and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life. He didn't want man to live forever in his sin.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Death entered in when sin entered in. So he he could you imagine what it would like. God was already making a plan for redemption. He already had a plan for the redemption, but he had to it had to make be where man no longer lived because if if God had not brought if if if death had not entered, God didn't bring death, sin brought death.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Sin brought death, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Sin brought death, but if death had not entered in, man would was designed to live like God forever. We're made in the likeness and in the image of God. Right. So we were designed to live forever, but because God said, If you eat from this tree, in the day you eat you will surely die.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Right, I was gonna say in Genesis 2, 16 and 17, and the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in that day that you eat you shall surely die. I mean he told them that.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Right. Yeah. Very clear. And the devil said, Has God said? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

And then he was like, But and then it was a time to die. And you know, like I said just a second ago, God could have just cut him off right there because he had already said, You will surely die. You will surely die. But God was, and so somebody that says God's not good and not a good God, he didn't kill him off right then and there. And he could have, but he didn't. Um so he showed his mercy and his love yet again for mankind that he you know showed that through letting him live outside of the garden. He wasn't allowed to live in the garden.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

He couldn't really live in the garden anymore.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

But I think in Genesis 1, one of the most things is in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. You know, if the one thing that you're gonna have to believe and get a hold on this because you've heard all this evolution talk and everything else, is you gotta understand God created it.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

And they have tried for years when I was younger. Now I think a lot of people's coming around to the understanding that God really did create earth, but there was this whole theory on how things came about and the had all this stuff, and now they've come to figure out you can't take nothing and make nothing out of it. I mean, there has to be something of creative force to make something. If you if you can have all the materials to build this building that we're in, but nothing is gonna build it. It takes something to build the building. Yeah, something has to do it, something has to do it, and as it's not a a you can you got two dogs, you got Johnny Cash and Clementine, you could put these materials out here on the ground, and it's not gonna build it. It takes somebody with intelligence, that's right, an intelligent being to create what we're sitting in today, right? So the same thing you think about the world, it took a intelligent something to create, which would be God to know how to build the earth. I mean, think about all the things, yeah. It didn't just happen. You gotta you gotta have that understanding. Nothing didn't just come from nothing. I mean, that doesn't make sense to me. No, you can't you can't push that on me, and then they bring this whole thing of evolution on us and tell me that we came from a uh monkey, but show me in the last 2,000 years or or or however long one pit of monkey. I haven't seen him change none. I haven't seen the the bullfrogs turning into a monkey. I haven't seen any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

I've seen some people I thought might have come from monkey.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

I tell people all the time if evolution is real, why is not monkeys still evolving? Yeah. I mean, that don't make any sense to say that.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

That's exactly right. So that they've pretty much figured that out that it's not that it's not a possible.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Well, even Darwin rejected the theory before he died.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Right. Yeah, he finally came around.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

And they still taught it in schools.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah. And that don't make any sense.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

But God created earth with a purpose. Earth was without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep. Where many people start asking questions. Some believers, you know, call it the gap theory between one and two, but you gotta understand it was uh nothing there besides it was without without form, didn't have anything, and then God placed it all together and brought it all together to make it into the earth. Right. And how much it took to get there. So um, and I know we're talking about Adam and Eve, but I just wanted to cover the first chapter of this explaining, you know it all goes together, I'm to explain context. Yeah, that you gotta understand this to get the rest of the rest of it, that how God created it and get the understanding of what he did creating mankind. And the only thing that God got his hands dirty on was building us, human beings. He spoke everything else, he spoke everything else, but then it says he formed man out of the dirt, the dust.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

He formed him, breathing his nostrils to breast. Breathe in his nostrils.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

It was the only thing he got his hands dirty on. Was us, was us. The rest of it just spoke it into existence and it came. I mean, think about all the different animals. Um, you know, we were even covering dinosaurs a minute ago. Think about all the different things that was created during that time that God made. And you see all that that I mean the fish and the thing. I mean, think about all the different kinds of fish we got and all the things that he created, but one thing he got involved in really good was us making us in his likeness and his image.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

There was a um perversities in Genesis.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Mm-hmm. What is it you're looking for?

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Oh, or when God says make man in our image.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Um then there's a one in there, another one there where you actually 126. Yeah, 126. He says, that's right. Look at her. I got it highlighted.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Yeah, I got it too. And uh let us make man in our image according to our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea. Thank God. And over the birds of their thank God for them ducks. Amen. And over the cattle. Thank God for them steaks. Thank God for the stakes, Lord. And all uh and over and all over the every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, we can count them as uh the little creeps. Thank God for the creeps. Well, you know, yeah. I don't eat too many grasshoppers and crickets and uh some worms worms.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

And after Eve's end, I'm glad he put that snake on his belly so I can stomp him under my heel. Yeah. Instead of having to look at him eye to eye. And the image of even in Genesis, I mean, we get a lot of the laws in like Leviticus and stuff, but even in Genesis, I mean, God tells us right there what we should need to be eating. Yeah. And that's why I tell my wife if she wants to go buy a watermelon, I said, don't buy one of them seedless ones.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

That ain't God made, that's man-made. Yeah. Yeah. Any little stuff like that, people don't think about that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yeah. Yeah, and it's they're they've uh made it all hybrids. Hybrids, yeah. In the image of God, he created him, male and female. Created he them. Yep. Yep. And then God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. And God said, So he's uh you know, just notice this, he said, Be fruitful and multiply. Um, you know, that that was the beginning of the creation.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

The creation of mankind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

So the populating of the earth. That was the population of the earth. Um exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

And then if I've heard I've heard people ask this on like different podcasts and stuff, like, well, where are all the people on earth come from if Adam and Eve only had three children? Well, no, didn't they had those three children after the punishment? Yeah. So they had they say Adam was like 130 years old when he had Cain. Yep. So that first 130 years.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

So 130 or 120.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

I don't know, one of them, 120, 130, something like that. One of you are older than what I was. Probably going and going to be. 130, 120. But you know, you know, either way, they they had all that time to multiply. Yeah. So we don't actually know how many children they had.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Look at how long Adam lived. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Yeah, but check out this though. If you don't believe that, if you don't believe that statement, read the number 16 in Acts 3. 16. Did you got this one? Uh I think you Acts 3, 16, yeah, you do. Um, not Acts. Uh Genesis. Genesis. I sorry they said Acts. Genesis 16. I will greatly multiply your sorrows. Yep. And conception. I mean you realize it had to be something.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, she already had some pain to start with, but now after the scene, she's gonna have even more pain.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Yeah, so people don't realize that's the punishment. Yeah, people don't read all of it, that it's pretty plain in there that they did have kids before this, you know. Um, but you know, in the Garden of Eden. I'm pretty sure because I mean the first commandment he gave them would be fruitful and multiply. I mean, that's the fruit. That's the very first thing he gave them. And then, and take dominion, he gave them commandments, and then he goes into this I will greatly multiply your sorrows for your conception. So, I mean, he's already, you know, and in pain you shall bring forth children. So he'd already shows that there's a good, very good chance and very good possibility that it looks like to me, from what I'm reading, right, that they already had kids before, you know, before the sin came in. That's looking like to me. So, you know, and then he had 120 years of, you know, probably having some kids going on. I mean, and you know, you could probably have quite a few kids in that during that time, you know. That's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

When you read this stuff, you got to have some uh uh open mind and use some common sense and read it in context. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

That's like we were talking about the it's it's a supernatural book. Right. I mean, you're not gonna there's some things that you your human mind cannot grasp. I mean, because in the natural it's not possible. But with God, all things are possible.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Yeah. I mean, think about a sea opening up and people walking across on dry land. That just that's just kind of like hard to believe. And then, you know, it's not saying it's hard to believe, but it's just hard to understand.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

If if if a river dries up, you're still walking in mud. Right. But it said they walked on dry land.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

That's right. And you know, have you seen the um videos where the guys went over there and dove and actually found like the chariot wheels and stuff?

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Yeah, I seen that not too long ago, maybe in the last year or so I've seen all that. Yep. And you know, um, you know, another thing that, you know, questions as a minister, you know, covering the children being in the earth, because I know that's a question people always ask about, well, where did the kids come from? And then another question I get all the time is talking about um, well, where did dinosaurs come from? Because you know, they have that. Well, if you look into it, God created all of these things being, and then a most of them all got took out during the flood. And they've probably already proven that. I mean, they've proven that the animals got took out either partially in the flood through the meteorite things, all these things that happen on earth, they prove the big freeze, all these things happen. Um, but you think about how cold it would get too, also if you had nothing but water everywhere. Yeah. And then after that, um, because there's nothing to slow down the wind either, but because we don't know open water. But this is all lines up into, you know, we were looking at um Job 40 verses um 15 and 19. And his tail moves like a cedar, you know, talking about a giant, massive prehistoric creature. Yep. And you can look into different parts of the Bible and see, you know, we were discussing this earlier. Dinosaurs didn't come up, the word dinosaurs didn't come up until like what 1840s, 1800s.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

1800s.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Yeah, the 1800s. Before that, they called them uh, what do they call them? Dragons and beasts, beast, beast and stuff like that. So you have to understand that about that as well. So, I mean, there's nothing that does disproves anything in Genesis when you even with all the things that's coming out with technology and anything else, there's this Bible still you can prove mode of it. There's just not everything recorded exactly, but you can still look in this Bible and find things about it. Right. So, um, you know, and and you got to realize that when Adam was in the garden before he got kicked out, every all the animals were like easy going, they wasn't, you know, afraid. You know, he had dominion over them, but he had the ability to name them, he had the ability to take care of them, he had the ability to do all that. And then when he got out of that, he caused the bushes to have thorns, he caused the woman to have childbirth pains, he caused the animals to be afraid. It was a lot of things that happened because sin entered into the world and it didn't just affect Adam and Eve, it affected the whole entire world.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Says here the word dinosaur comes from the Greek words denios, dinos meaning fearfully great, formidable, or terrible, and solos meaning lizard.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

It was coined by English another Sir Richard Owen, created a term in 1842.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Yeah. I knew it was somewhere in the eighteen hundreds.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yes. That that word has not been around forever, like people assume and think that it was made up by man. Yeah. That's why that's why you do not see the word dinosaur in the Bible. Yeah. For those that wonder, like where why does it not the Bible mention dinosaurs? It mentions dragons and beasts.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Yeah. And things like that. That's right. And so um that's kind of like a lot of the uh and you gotta understand well why didn't they they make it onto the ark and things like that? Because see, a lot of things didn't make it onto the ark. It doesn't say every animal made it on there. I had sent the animals that need to be on the ark because you couldn't round them up. Yeah. He had a plan. Yeah, he had a plan. That things was some things weren't gonna be here. Right. Sorry for you, T Rex lovers. There ain't I mean he had a plan for it. So you gotta understand that when it comes to looking at it and getting to understand.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

He might have figured out that all of them had become evil. Yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

So um that's that's where that that comes into. I just wanted to clear that up for our people that listens and might have questions for our comment warriors that might want to ask questions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Yeah, we don't have comment warriors. We have people that want to learn. Yeah, well they you know, somehow they say something, then we show them the right way. All right. I like your positive outlet. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, going back to the Dominion thing, yeah. I mean, you know, God give Adam in Genesis 2, 22 through 22, that's where he really shows dominion because he gave Adam the responsibility to name all the animals. So God gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and every beast. Yeah. We go to that beast again to the field. But for Adam, there was not found a helper compared to him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall, Adam. He slept, and he took one of his ribs, closed up the flesh in its place, then the rib which the Lord had taken from man, he made into a woman, and he brought her to the man. Poor thing. Yeah, good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Are you good? Yeah. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

We're on the wide shot on that one. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

It looked like it was on me. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_00 19:11

No, that's the preview. Folks, I got some new recording software, so we're still learning that. You might get some giggles and some bloopers out of this. We don't know. We'll definitely laugh about it. If you're in the green, you're in the preview. If you're in the red, we're recording. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

I was looking at it like, all right, why is it on me? All right.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Well, we wanted you to have a spotlight. Thank you so much. You can get a spotlight. Yeah. I'm gonna get ready to zoom in here in a minute.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

So he gave us dominion over all everything that's on the earth. And you know, then he called, let the birds multiply on the earth. He called everything into existence, bringing forth multiplication also to all the things that he pit on the earth.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

And the one thing we have is he showed us dominion. And a lot of bringing into dominion, that's never stopped for mankind. You're supposed to take dominion over your thoughts, take dominion over your family, take dominion over things that's in your life. You know, it's yeah, everything.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Every area of your life, your finances, everywhere you're supposed to take control. Yeah. You know, God God created man for fellowship. He created him because he wanted to spend time with us. That's that's been God's number one desire since he created us was to be close to us. Yep. You know, you know, and the thing is, he he didn't remove them from the garden to punish them. That was not it. He removed them from the garden to save them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Yeah. And you know, some people look at it like the cavemen theory that, but you gotta realize Adam was not a caveman. He was a created with intelligence, with authority, a language, a purpose, a direct fellowship with God. Because you look at it, Genesis 1, 26, let us make man in our image. In our image, in God's image, with dominion, with authority, with purpose. Adam walked with God before sin ever entered into the world. And that's what separated it. And you know, if you're walking with somebody with that much authority and who you who you're around, you're gonna be an act like. And he was hanging out with God on a daily basis. So he was acting like God, he was getting to be more like it. Because you show me your three friends, and I'm gonna show you who you're gonna become. You know, that's the famous saying. Yeah. You know, because if you're hanging out with losers, you're gonna become one. But if you're hanging out with God on a daily basis, walking with him, like Adam saying with Adam was he was hanging literally walking with God in the garden, and he was showing walketh into counsel of the wise will become wise.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

He that walketh in the council, the fools will be destroyed.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Yeah. I mean, he did he they did have the permission to eat from the tree of life, which means they probably would have lived forever if they would have never. Created committed that sin. So I mean we would be I mean it was all in God's plan anyway. Yeah. God was thinking, I mean, you know, all of us can't live forever or the earth would be overpopulated.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

Yeah. And so the garden, um, some other people look at, well, where was the garden at? Where's the garden at? Where's the garden of Eden at? You know, the garden of Eden was not in heaven, it was a place, a real place here on the earth. Right. It talks about um the Lord God planted a garden eastward of Eden, and there was uh the rivers that was named there, and it's still a hidden place. He put it in a hidden place where nobody can find it. I mean, that's what he did. I mean, he put it a place where nobody could find it, and he hid it. And so I don't know, you know, there's still people trying to find the tree of good and light, you know, life and death.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Family youth and all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Yeah. But um Satan entered in through deception. You gotta understand that um during this time that all this is going down, somewhere along the lines, Satan started believing that he was better than God. And he tried to, you know, well, if God can do this, and he was the captain of worship, and he decided he was gonna start getting, you know, people to worship me over worshiping God. That's where people mess up. Still to this day. You'll hear people talking about themselves and blowing themselves up and and leaving God out. You know, I I've even seen ministers do it, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy, what are you doing? You know, you're building up your own ministry, you're not building up God's ministry. I've seen that uh plenty of times. You know, you have to, I think, well, there you go again, Lucifer. But that's what I think when I see it. But it should be about God's kingdom. But anyhow, he got kicked out of heaven sometime during this, and a third fallen of the angels, and then he s sneaks into the garden cunningly through a serpent. And in Genesis 3 1, it says, Now the serpent was more cunning than them all. I'm gonna read over there today that one. Now the serpent was more cunning than any of the beasts of the field. There goes that word beast again, which the Lord had made, and he was and he said to woman, Has God not indeed said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said to the serpent, We can may eat of the fruits of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God said, You shall not eat, nor you should touch it lest you should die. God didn't say you couldn't touch it. She got that wrong, because he didn't say that I don't have it in scripture. I mean, not saying she's alive, but I'm saying you you should not eat it or you'll die. And um It would have been a good idea not to touch it.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

That would have been a good idea. And then the s and the serpent said to the woman, You shall and the serpent said to the woman, You will not surely die. For God knows that the day you eat it of of it your eyes will be open, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil. So the woman saw that the treat the tree was good for food and pleasant to the eye, and the the tree was desirable to make one wise, so she took the fruit and ate. And then, you know, that was bad enough. And then so then she also gave it to her husband, and he ate. And their eyes, both of them, were open, and they knew that they were naked, so they sewed fig leagues together and made for themselves recover.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

So, you know, that's this day when you asked the woman where they want to eat, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Yeah, and then but you know, just because and that that leads you into a sermon right there and it's I found the trick to that. And it that leads you into a sermon right here to itself. What's pleasant to the eyes, you know, not everything that you look at that's good looking to your eyes is good for you. We could go in a whole sermon right there. I can preach that whole message right there. Yes, Lord. Just because it makes desirable to your eyes, doesn't mean it's good. No, no, also what's pleasant and you know, pleasant to the eyes, and to and the tree was desirable to make one, so she took the fruit. You know, people look at things that they want to look at that looks good to them, but it's sin and it'll get into you, you and it'll cause things to rot. And it might not cause you to die right then, but it's slowly gonna kill. Sin leads into death. So she disobeyed.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

They can do a whole testimony on that.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Yeah. I told you we could preach right there and just take that one verse and go for up there in that one. Then the eyes of both of them were open. So, and that's what when sin came in, it changed everything. And you gotta understand this when you're talking about you know that thing that happened there, it opened up sin to the whole world. You know, not just into the Garden of Eden, but it opened it up to the whole world. That moment, the disobedience came in because Adam knew better. Adam was walking with God, he knew better.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

It wasn't like, you know, well, he didn't know. No, he knew he was walking with God every day, and then he did it anyhow. So it was direct disobedience.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

So some people ask, was Adam deceived by Eve by her not telling him where that actual fruit comes from before you bit into it? I've heard people ask that before too.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Yeah. Do you want to lead on to that or do you want me to lead on to it?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Well, I won't I was trying to find a verse, but I ain't got there yet. But you can go with that.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Which one do you want to read? Which which one do you want me to know?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Well, I'm just talking about was it was it she deceive Adam?

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Yeah. No, so she also gave it to her husband, went, and with her he ate as well. That's uh verse six of Genesis three. Yep. So um and then they heard the sound of the Lord walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves in the from the presence of God among the trees in the garden. Then the Lord God called out to Adam and said, Where are you? So he said, I hear your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself. And he said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from from the tree which I have commanded you should not? Then man said, The woman you gave to me, she gave me the of the tree and I ate it. And the Lord said to the woman, What have you done? And he said, The serpent deceived me and I ate. So, you know, she did it. I I don't know if she deceived him or what I know that the serpent deceived her, that's for sure. Right. But you know, I don't know how he I don't know if she was in there cooking uh lunch and let's let's back up.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

I mean that got me thinking. Go ahead. In Genesis 2, yep, chapter 15. I mean ch Genesis two, verse 15. Sorry, people. Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree the garden you may freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat. For in a day if you eat of it, you sure shall surely die. Now that was before Eve, right? So did Adam do his job and tell Eve? Because see in verse 21 when Adam, God put Adam to sleep to make Eve. So now did Adam do his job until Eve not to eat of that tree.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Well she said she did. Yeah. Yeah, right here. Read this one. Um, where is it at? I just read it just a minute ago. And the serpent and Serpent aster. Yeah, the serpent asked her. Yeah, number two. And the woman said to the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the tree of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God said you should not eat it, or you or you should not touch it lest you surely die. So she hadn't I guess she said God said it. So I don't know if God might have told her because I mean she was hanging out with him. She was hanging out with him too. Right. She was hanging out with him too. I'm sure they probably walked by there and said, Hey, don't don't eat of that. Right. I just like walking by pulling ivy. You tell your kid, don't touch that. Yeah. I mean, I would. I mean, hey, don't touch that. Don't get over there in them briars, you're gonna get a thorn in you. That's what I tell my kids all the time. I have we got briars on the farm, and I tell Sawyer, don't get into that. You're gonna get in. You're gonna get a thorn on you, and I'm about to pull it out.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

We're getting them go again and get them coconuts over there.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Yeah, but you're fixing to find out. You're gonna learn something here today. So I'm sure that she knew, and I'm sure that, you know, I'm sure he knew what it looked like. The um that fruit. I'm sure he did. He had to have known. I mean, maybe he maybe she did deceive him. I mean, you know, but I really think he probably knew what it looked like.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Didn't you just read a scripture that said that that gave to her a husband that was there with her? Um then three. I didn't I won't dare where you reading that from.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

So that may eat, both of them. I don't see where that one's at. Trying to find it.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

No, verse 12 just said, then the man said the woman who you gave to be with me, she gave me the tree, and I ate. Okay, here you go.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Genesis 3, 6. Yeah, so when the woman saw the tree that the tree was good and and it was pleasant to the eye, she ate and desired to make one wife, so she took and also gave it to her husband.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

I mean, I like I said her husband with her. Yeah, her husband with her. And he ate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

I mean that So they were there together. Yeah, that's that sounds like what it sounds like. Well, it sounds like to me they were in there together. I mean, the serpent talked her into drying it, and then she handed it to Adam.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Yeah, if not, he if not, Adam knew what the fruit looked like. That's right. He knew what it was, that's right. I mean I'm sure that it didn't look like the other fruit in the garden. No. Yeah. Yeah. Because God's not a God's not a deceiver, that would be the devil. That's right. That's right. He would have made it plain. So then we get on down to what did you want to cover next?

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Well I've just been reading the whole chapter. Right. I mean, but that's fine, that's where we need to go because like you know, the the question that guy asked us that day at lunch, though, was it punishment?

SPEAKER_01 32:13

And then right here in verse 14.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

In a way, yes, it was punishment.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Yeah, in a way, yeah. He gave her more pain. He he made him tend to ground that's gonna grow thorns and thistles. I mean, there was that was the punishment. Yeah. I was gonna read the punishment he gave the serpent. I mean that's the wrong one. But the Lord to the serpent, because you have done this, you are cursed more than all cattle and more than every beast of the field, and your be on your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. That that right there, if you ever wonder why a snake crawls on his belly, that's the reason. If you've ever wondered that out there.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

But yeah, it it was punishment, but then again, it was also to save him from eating of the tree of life and living in a a sense of forever. Forever. Forever, that's right. Yeah, because so it was a punishment, but it was also his salvation. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

But he didn't, and like I said, he could have killed him just in and there.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

That's right, standing right there, because he said, Surely you will die. He could have struck him down right then.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Surely man did die. Yeah, but he could have took him out bingo right then and there. He said, I'll I'll start over and go make me another one. Yeah, like Moses. I'm making I made one here, I can go get me some more dust and breathe again.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

He can do it all over again, man. That's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

They would have lived forever. But he had a relationship with Adam, and it was God of mercy. Well, think about it like this. If he walked with him every day, yeah. If God was walking with Adam every day, think about this. The relationship you know, the relationship they had. He wouldn't want to kill him because he was walking because he loved him, because he had been walking with him every day, and he's like, I told him he was gonna die, and he's gonna die. Just gonna be slow, it's gonna be slow instead of instead of just killing him off right now because you know he loved him and he didn't want that to happen. I'm sure that was not because God's plan wasn't for us to die. Right. And that was you know, that was part of the thing that you gotta look at, and like you said earlier, use some common sense when you're reading this.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Exactly. That's not very common these days.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Yeah. To be sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Glad the people that are watching have common sense. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Everybody all of our listeners have common sense. Yeah. And they're seeking God, that's why they watch us.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Yeah. And then it did you want to read into 16 or or 17? Yeah, then on chapter three.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yeah. Yeah, then to Adam he said, Because you have heeded the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree of which I commended you, saying, You shall not eat of it. Cursed is the ground for your sake, and toll you shall eat of it all the days of your life, which means you're gonna have to work for your food. It's not just gonna be there for you. You've got to work for it. Or before he could just in the Garden of Eden, God supplied everything for him. Now he's got to work for it. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. Wherever the thorns and thistles, there's his punishment, because he's gonna have to work around it. He's gonna have to try to to grow things in it, which is totally just about impossible without getting hurt. And in the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground. For of it you were taken, for dust you are, and to dust you shall return. And that's there's like it's like we said, well, that's punishment. I mean, that's his punishment. Eve got her punishment through pain and childbearing. And but at the same time, like you said, God is merciful. He saved her life and punished them, just like we would do our own children.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

If they'd done something wrong, we would do the same thing with our children.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Yeah. You got 20 verses through 20, 24? Somewhere in there? You want me to read it? Yeah, you can read it. Okay. And uh we'll start at 22. Then God said, Behold, man has become like one of us to know good and evil. And now lest him, and least he be put out of put his hand out and take also from the tree of life and eat of it, he'll live forever. So he says, unless he does this, he's gonna live forever. So therefore God said to him, Sent him out of the garden of evil to till the ground from which he was taken. So he drove man out and placed, you know, this is the word he covered a while ago. Yeah. So he drove him out. So that was the next part of this um thing. And then this is where it gets into, you know, the part that people don't understand. Now Adam, I Adam knew Eve and his wife, and she be conceived conceived and bore Cain and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. So then she bore it again. And then so, but it still goes back to this I will greatly multitude your sorrows, you know, for conception. I mean, you know, there's nothing kind of look at it and you can see that they very possibly could have had kids before sin.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

So that's right.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

I mean, we got we got it to me, we have to assume that they did have kids before that.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Yeah. Could have very possibly put up. I mean, it doesn't record it all, but I mean it doesn't record everything that happened.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Yeah, the Bible doesn't record everybody that was ever born it throughout time. It could, you know, and if you look, most of the time the Bible picks out specific people that were relevant to history, right? Uh throughout the Bible. I mean, you know, it Job had many children, you know, and it it you go back and it it it tells you how the the genealogies of everybody, but it doesn't list everybody that was ever born during that time frame.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

Um and the three that were mentioned, Cain and Abel and Seth of their descendants, you know, there was more descendants of of Adam because there was wives for them. Yeah, and the earth was getting populated. They had wives. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

That's why that's why we had to look back and say, well, Adam and Eve had to have children before the sin. And and then we get, you know, we get the story of Cain and Abel because Cain committed the first murder ever on earth. That's what I'm saying. It's it's it's significant to the history of our sins and uh of the earth. And that's why we get back. That leads up to say, like with Noah, we mentioned Noah a while ago, is I watched a thing the other day, uh a DNA study. I guess I said he can prove that every woman on the planet can go all the way back to Noah's daughters-in-laws, daughter-in-laws, through their DNA. And every man can go back to Noah's son.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Then so another thing, how did the the earth get filled with so many people? You gotta look at Methuseth that lived 969 years.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Um Methuselah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Methuselah. Yeah, so he uh he lived a long lifespan, which could create large families. Um, you know, think about 900 and something years, that's a long time.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

That's that's older than that's a lot of procreating.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

So um Yeah, because there's no longer no telling how long there in 900 years his body was still reproducing.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Yeah, absolutely. See, there's a d'as uh like a complete change after the flood. Yeah. A lot of things change after the flood. Like people didn't live as long. There's a lot of things changed during that total time that comes in. That's a little bit later on in Genesis, you know, Genesis six and six and stuff talking about the flood and things like that. But things changed in that. So there's a lot to happen between Genesis 1 and Genesis 6, from where mankind came in and kind of the wickedness of man entered into the earth, and so you have to see that. Um there was definitely, you know, talks about um if you get into Genesis, it also talks about um giants throughout there. Um then you know, there was giants in the land, and it talks about that in there too. So, you know, you it covers that it in there as well, because people ask about, you know, well, where's giants at? I mean, the giants are all throughout the Bible. You can look at a lot of that didn't make it in after the flood. Um, we obviously see um David when he had the giant that he fought, Goliath and his brothers. There was very few of them that made it through all that. So you see some of that things that comes through there.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Well, you text another. I think that covered quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Yeah. That's some good stuff. If you've got any questions that you're watching this, right, um, you know, send us questions. We'd be more than glad to help you.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

You can leave it in the comments or you can email us at thetestaments of faith at gmail.com. That I mean anything. You've got any questions at all about anything that's in this Bible, if you're not for sure. I mean, I'm not saying we're perfect, we know it all, but I think between the three of us, we do look at it with some common sense and never try to take it out of context. If we don't know, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

I got a bunch of study Bibles and I'll read everything I can to learn about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

We'll we'll figure it out, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

The good thing is God did not leave us in that state that Adam was in. Right. He sent Jesus to redeem us from the curse. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

Yep, yeah, so true.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

By one by one man, many were made sinful, but by one also by one man, many more many were made righteous.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

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SPEAKER_02 42:09

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SPEAKER_00 42:14

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SPEAKER_02 42:50

Yep. Father God, we thank you today for learning about how you created the earth, learning about all about in the very beginning what you did. Lord, we thank you today as this message goes out. It reaches the hearts of our viewers, Lord, that it touches them. Let's them grow in you and understand you more, better, and better. Lord, we thank you for this word. We thank you that it sinks in, and we give you glory for it in Jesus' mighty name. Amen. Amen.