If Moms Had Business Cards

We’re celebrating Mother’s Day! In this episode, we explore the many “titles” mothers carry—caregiver, teacher, therapist, chef, chauffeur, referee, and often the backbone holding everything together. We’re blending humor with brutal honesty (and a few tears) as we reflect on the evolving, often unseen work behind the title “mom.” 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Hi Heather. Hi Dina, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good, thank you. How was your week? Week is good.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Did you hear about um Oh start right off the bat and you're laughing?

SPEAKER_03 0:23

It might be old news, but like the pilots meowing over the air.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Did you hear I saw like an article headline and then I was like, I'm not. I just scrolled past it, but it's it's on my like it's in my level of awareness. I'm t like, I don't know whether to be like mortified or very I think that's why I didn't read it, because I was like, I can't read anything that makes me more afraid to fly. And if these guys are meowing or whatever and not I mean, if they're just like hamming around and being funny, good for them. It's a long, tedious job. But I was like, I can't read anything that's gonna make me feel like these guys are not serious.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Like over like the air, definitely serious. Like, are they doing like the what's the show? That's the part that feels a little bit like there's what was that? The show where they were like not right meow. They were like trying, they would pull somebody over and try to say instead of now. They would insert their word meow. Because I totally do it. Like instead of saying now, I try to say meow wherever applicable.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Yes, and they would try to do it like I feel like I know what you're talking about, but I don't know the name of it. It's like, is that what they were doing? Like, why are they meowing? No. Did you read in great detail what was going on there? Nah. I don't need more things. Listen, I'm already a nervous fire. If I feel like these um pilots aren't like a hundred percent deadly serious, I they can have a personality and be fun, but I just need them to be like deadly serious while they're flying my plane.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Yeah, that I feel like is one of those jobs like that surgeon where it's like you gotta.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

I don't want to know if you're quirky and fun. Gotta be on. I just want to think that this is all you do all day, every day. That sent me.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

I've been like waiting to like say that to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Like, have you heard?

SPEAKER_03 2:00

She were like, oh man.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

I'm so excited to bring this up. Anyway, how was your week? Uh it was good, really busy. It's May Sember. But I hate that term because I'm like, what are we doing? What are they saying? Elementary now I get it. It's May Sember. It's the beginning, almost the beginning of May, which already it was February three seconds ago. And all the like boom, boom, boom emails and the graduations and all the life events are happening, and I'm just like, I am not staying on top of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Yeah, well, graduating from uh for me, it's weird because of the way our district did it, because they changed it now, but that they're in elementary school still until sixth grade. Oh, yeah. Um, so I keep forgetting that Aria's graduating.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

So all those events, yeah. And I'm so I'm trying to like, okay, it's your last, it's your last. Like soak it in. Like, nobody has any time. Uh I we usually do like an end of the year thing with our neighbors and stuff, but like she just has like a little graduation ceremony, and then the kids get to take off from there, so you have like a whole day to go do something fun with your family or whatever, just a lot of stuff. So there's my parent kickball game. I signed Chris up, and I was like, I'm not getting sweaty. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Take so many pictures. We decorated our cars only because for Ava, um, it was still like during like the tail end of COVID. Yeah. So they had they graduated outside. It was like a drive-by graduation. Um drive-by, which I'm still, you know, that was like the year of drive-by out.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Drive-by graduation, drive-by birthday parties, not drive-by wedding shower.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

Not bitter in the way of like, you know, the school did everything that they could, just bitter that the timing. But they loved it. They look back and think, like, it was so cool. And she keeps saying, like, I'm just glad you weren't in there because it's such a small like auditorium that I hear you crying, and I'm like, oh. Like the woman sobbing in the back, right? Please keep it down. But we like decorated cars and stuff. But take so many pictures of like her little like friend group because now that I'm going into Ava's like senior year and I'm starting to think of all these things, like it's so cute to look back, like you know, God willing, they're still all friends with the same group. It's like cute to have that little fifth grade t-shirts and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Take less. Yeah, they think they do like a clap out, like you go surround the school and stuff. I know makes me cry. It's just right now, it just feels like all of that stuff needs to be on my calendar, and then it's gonna happen so fast. So anyway, but this is exactly what we're gonna talk about today. Yes. So, in honor of Mother's Day, which is coming up, we're both mothers. We know maybe not all of our listeners are, that's okay. But we um I saw this really cute, I don't know if it was a real first or something, but it made me do a little bit of a deep dive because it was like all the job titles that moms hold. And it's kind of like unrecognized labor a lot of the time, which you know me, I'm a big fan of dredging up all the unrecognized labor that we're doing. So I just thought it was really cute because when I went through the list and stuff, I was like, oh, a hundred percent. Like all of these different job titles that we hold. Yes. As a mom. Mom is a big thing, but underneath that umbrella, there's all these like little facets of and to be fair, uh, dads share a lot of them too. Yes. And this is gonna vary from house to house. Like I scrolled down, I was like, financial manager. Maybe not your thing, maybe not my thing, maybe it is, but I do feel like moms for sure are bearing the brunt of a lot of these different like I don't know what the word is. They're almost like professions. You could make this your full-time job, but when you're a mom, it's just expected to be part of your daily life.

SPEAKER_03 5:39

It is, and I don't know why I'm getting like emotional right off the bat, but not everyone is a mother, but yeah, so you everyone is a mother to somebody in a way of you know, you play that role. And so many of these, I'm just like looking at the list. Yeah, can be your aunt, can be a person in your church or somebody who has taken on one of these facets. So if you're with us and you're tuning in, you know, don't don't tune out if you don't have your own kids.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Not a mom for sure.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Some of these I can think of many people in my life that, you know, fill in for these or or add to the role that my mother plays in these.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Um and speaking as a mother, I love that you brought that up because when you can share some of this with other people, like oh, I'm not a hundred percent that person for these kids because I have other people who step in, they're strong here. That's huge. Yeah, like the whole it takes a village thing is so true. A thousand percent.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

So we're gonna go through these roles and uh hey, use them. Maybe you can get a better gift on Mother's Day. Like, I have 14.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Really recommend that you listen to this in the car with significant other gifts in your children. That's my love language so they can appreciate all the different things that we take on every day. Literally, this is I was honestly thinking there's probably more we could brainstorm. There's a good list here, and I was like, I think I could also add some to that. Oh, we could double it. So, all right, want to get started? Yes, okay. Me? Sure, go for it.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

First one caregiver. So nurse, health, health manager handles illnesses, injuries, medication, overall well-being. I won't read everything, but the umbrella of caregiver.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Oh my gosh. And I was just talking about this. This this role falls on to you immediately because you are in charge of the baby either from the time it is like conception, because you're carrying it, or from the time of birth, or shortly thereafter, when you have no idea as a human how to you've never had a baby before. Right. Every new parent is like, is this normal? But that is like such a high stress environment to be in. If that was your only job, it would be stressful enough. Like, what are they breathing different? And I feel like when you're a new mom, some of that stuff you're just like, oh, well, looking back, you're like, it was nothing. Everybody does it, but you don't know, and you're just like feeling it all out. You're like, I'm in charge of making sure this, like, how many ounces does a baby to remember doing all that?

SPEAKER_03 8:09

Okay, oh yeah. I used to wake Ava up like Am I weighing this baby to make sure it's growing?

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Yes. Am I is there was like the little um medicine, not medicine, vitamin drops or whatever that are a pediatrician. And I was like, I don't even want to. She chokes on them. I don't know what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

And things have come so far now. I mean Ava's 17, but yeah, like the nasal bulb thing. Aspirator thing. Oh my gosh, when you have a C-section baby, like I remember them saying, like, hey, you gotta like suck it out because like because she's a C-section baby and they don't get pushed through it. It doesn't like force all the stuff out of their stays in their like lungs, so you gotta make sure they don't like aspirate. And I was like, Oh, okay. With what? Like this? You're like swapping and watching her breathe at night?

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah, yeah, no training whatsoever. And that doesn't go away. No, because then your kids get older, more stuff is going on, they're going through different phases, and and usually you're also doing that for somebody else in your home, you're doing it for yourself, and so we're not qualified, no, but we're thrown into it. No, and you're a hundred percent in charge of keeping those little ones healthy from the gets.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

And that's where the village comes in too, because how many times did I call my sister-in-law, my mom? Yeah, like what do I do? This is happening. Is this normal? Like, you know, run into the hospital and call in the doctor's office, and you you figure it out. Yeah, you do. It's your immediate role.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

It's a lot of stress too. And then I just want to give a nod to caregiver, never ends, right? Because usually I'm gonna just expand this beyond mothers. If you've been a mother, that starts. But if you're a woman that belongs to any kind of community or family, your caregiving role is until your last breath, usually. Oh, yeah. And that changes form over time, but always it's gonna, it's going to be like who do we look to? Yeah. Now that we're in this new situation where somebody needs more care or whatever. The women, right? I mean moms, even with your kid. The daughters, the yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

What do you tell your kids when you're yeah they're in public? And you know, if you ever lose mom or something like you look for a police officer, find a mom. Look for a mom, you find a mom. Go up and find a mom. I remember there was one one of our neighbors, speaking of caregivers, you know, looking for women, moms. One of our neighbors, she was they were outside and she was doing something. She fell off her bike or something. And her like permanent tooth came out.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Oh no, it's like one of my fears. I have like nightmares about that.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

She like ran up to my door and she was like, Miss Gina, Miss Gina. And I'm thinking, like, ah, luckily, I'm not handling that thing. That was like one thing that I had. Well, I was like a little bit qualified because of my profession better than anybody else. I was like, we're gonna, you know, put gauze and like, but had it been anything. If it was like a one of them, I would have been like, you worked in an ortho office store.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

You worked in an ortho office, so you were slightly more prepared than the average.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

And I'm sure that I was the taking home, your own mom. I was like the treatment coordinator slash office manager. So I mean, I I physically didn't touch teeth up. I did it enough to where it saved her tooth. Like she was able to boss would have been like, What? You told her to what? And I was like, listen, I got the job done. I think you're supposed to put it in Jericho. It's like, what you're gonna do? I'm gonna get a piece of picture on it. I was like, luckily it was your tooth and not like a finger, but that's scary. Yeah, it's all there's so many things.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

You're always making calls, tough calls. Like, what do I do? Is this a hospital visit? Is this uh I should stay up all night and watch them because this fever's borderline? It's all the time. It does you don't grow out of it, and it's a lot of pressure.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

Army crawling into their room to hear them.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

Never want to get it wrong. So then there's the guilt that comes along with like, did I make the right call in this situation? The wrong call. I think guilt will be a pervasive theme too. Like if you're falling short in any of these, then you're immediately the hardest on yourself about it. Oh but always, always. All right, I'm gonna throw another job title out at you. Teacher slash educator, again from the very get, from little things like ABCs, which I love to bring up because I feel like you have a great story about teaching Gianni as ABC. It's traumatic. To like bigger life lessons, you're constantly teaching. Yep. Even if it's just modeling, like you want your kids to know how to wash a dish properly. Like you have all this pressure to like show them a good example of running a home, or but also don't send them to preschool or kindergarten without knowing anything. You should have already taught them. Yeah, you know, A B C's and reading and like it. I feel like that bar keeps like lowering what the expectations are of like wait, we we don't start teaching kids that in kindergarten. You they should come knowing it. And you're like, oh, okay, all right. That was on me then I was keeping them alive. Okay. Look people in the eye when you're talking about social skills, yes. Like you just said that while I was thinking what else, because again, it doesn't end. And were were you just telling me? Yes, you were just telling me about like making sure your kids make eye contact and not looking down at a phone. Like, there's so many ongoing things that we are supposed to be educating all the time.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Yeah, and I don't think that that role ever ends either. I feel like my mom is still teaching me things or saying, you know, like hey, just so you know, yeah, they have experience, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

So you're going, like, okay, what about I feel like I'm learning I, you know, I'm talking to my mom about like perimenopause or something. Like, is this normal? Like you're just always educating. I know it's a lot. I like as a teacher, I like that that's in there. Because I feel like I do not want to, as a teacher, depending on how young the kids are. I do not want to be the one teaching please and thank you. I like please send them to school at least equipped with like a basic. But you would be just like shocked. No, I wouldn't be. I've seen it. You would not be shocked at like um it's just the kids. The kids need so many things taught to them explicitly, and I feel like some of that naturally, you're like, yeah, of course, we're gonna talk about that in our home, but like maybe not as natural. Like it needs to be explicitly taught, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

And I don't know if it's maybe just day and time kind of thing, like we're all so busy that maybe some of that isn't as ingrained or normal, but yeah, just a little example. I'm gonna call out a stranger, and you know, the the stranger was a child, so I'm gonna be delicate here. It wasn't like life or death, but I was just kind of like taken aback by like, oh wow, okay. We were sitting at Gianni's basketball game, and this girl came up, she had just finished her game and her backpack uh apparently was behind me, and I was just sitting there, did not know this girl at all. I mean, maybe a young teen, and she just went, Hey, and I like looked because I wasn't sure if she was talking to me, and she's like, Can you grab my backpack? And I was like, sure. And so I just turned around, gave it to her, and she just walked away. And I was like, there was no please, yeah, no thank you. There was no end caps with the start with a please. Right. And I mean, I think you know I'm pretty casual, I'm not like you know, prim and proper. Like, I I know etiquette, I'm I feel like I'm well mannered, but I'm around kids a lot, so I'm not expecting like a hello, Mrs. Lesperance, like, but I was just like, dang, it was just like a hey, like, dude, I don't know you. Like, yeah, that was just it.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

I was like, oh, here you go. Like, I mean, yeah, and then you always want, okay, whatever, not my circus, not my monkeys. So then you're always sending your kids into the world thinking like we've covered this, right? Like, there's that pressure that like you would never just like say, hey, to some mom on the bleachers, right? Like you, so then it's like you feel like you're constantly like, have we have we talked about that? Have I brought that up and like I'm sure? And a lot of it is modeling. Yeah, the kids aren't gonna learn everything from what you're saying, they're watching you, but like, I don't know, a lot of pressure.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

It's both, yeah. It's what you say and it's what you your actions, but are your kids at the age where like Ava now is starting to recognize that everything's becoming a lesson? Where now she'll be like, oh no, like great. Now she's like, listen, I know not to just say about to get a lecture. Yeah, but you do, you see that kind of stuff and you think, Oh, did I tell them that?

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Like you said, because as soon as a kid acts like that, you're immediately thinking, Well, her parents didn't teach her. Do you know what I mean? Like, or and so then it's like, I don't ever want my kids to walk around the world and be like, did nobody ever tell them? So yeah, oh my gosh, Alessia's always like, I know what. Right? I know what.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

Nobody's perfect, their kids. I mean, I I drill into Gianni to the point, like, especially because he's a boy, not to be so like archaic. A girl should just as important, it's just as important to look people in the eye. But I'm but I feel like I'm raising a man, and you know, it's like shake a firm handshake, look in the eyes, but it's to the point, like he's not perfect. There's times where he doesn't do it, you know. And we were just getting Kona Ice or something after his last last track meet, and the guy that he was ordering from, I was like, look him in the eye. And he was like, I'm looking at the menu. And I was like, you're like, look him in the menu.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Guy was like, I appreciate that, ma'am. And I'm like, okay, I'm trying. I find myself doing that too. Like, my kids will order at a restaurant, and I'm like, You're talking to him, not me, right? Because they'll like look at me. Oh, yeah, they immediately use the voice that you talked to me with at home. Also, he's talking to you. Like, look at him. I know. And I I'm sure the waiter's just like, dude, just order for your kid. Like, I don't want to be part of this life. You have to worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Yes, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Well, maybe they get all the time. I understand order anxiety. I know. I had to order your chicken tenders too. My taco bell. You get like giggle feds, though. It wasn't a lack of manners or anything. You just like uh high stress situation make make you laugh. Oh, it's my kids are not giggling, they're just like mumbling.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Do you know that both both of my kids inherited that from you? No, really, you have to order the chicken tenders force. Well, just Brian, it's on you, all three of you are like in any scenario. Because when Ava was like younger and like, you know, kind of starting like puberty and stuff, like she was like overly emotional. So it would stress me out and I would be like, so I would get so nervous that I would like laugh, and then she would get so mad at me, and then I would have to explain, like, listen, I'm not laughing at you. This is a personal problem that I deal with. I'm nervous in this moment, I don't know how to handle this.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Funny, you know, of all the like weird things that I deal with are like anxiety in social situations, like ordering at a restaurant. Yeah, when you would say that, I'd be like, girl, get it together. I can't stop. Bruh. Seriously, you gotta get past this.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

And now both kids, like, they'll start. If we're in church and they start laughing, I'm just like, get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Because I know, like, they're not gonna stop. The whole row will go down like dominoes.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

And my kids are 17 and 15. If someone sneezes, they're laughing. Forget. I'm like, just leave. Just leave. I don't know why it's me. Just go.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

I'm 43. If the wrong thing happened in like church or something, listen, I would still die laughing. Listen, I would have to be escorted.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

What what age will I mature to the point where like if somebody far it takes never every I wasn't gonna say that's what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 19:20

I'm sorry. But if that were to happen, at least it'd be the both of us. I feel like a bunch of us would be dying, though, right? You just look around and you're like, don't make I can't die. And then like 50% would be very serious about it, and the other 50% of us would have to just all meet in the bathroom. I don't yeah, I think I'll be 70 still laughing with somebody. I don't think ever. Except for maybe when you can't hear any longer. Then your chances will go down. You just can't hear it.

unknown 19:44

Oh well.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Okay, okay. I love you gotta do the next one because I feel like this is an area where you shine, but also you're more you're more kind in this region than I am.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Oh, you think?

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Yeah, 100%. I'll tell you why. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

What is the next job title as mothers?

SPEAKER_03 20:00

The next one is chef, nutritionist, planning all the meals, grocery shopping, cooking, picky eaters, all of that kind of thing. I do there are a lot of roles in motherhood, and some of them are not my forte. I don't even know for sure. Well, referee definitely isn't one because I just immediately get financial manager and then comes later.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

We'll glaze over that one.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

There's not great at playing on the floor, you know, certain things, but I I do truly love it.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Yeah, because you love it, and it it doesn't bother you to say, like, well, Johnny likes this, Ava likes that, so I'll do two different things. Yeah, I don't have that bone in me. I think it's probably the way I was raised too. I'm like, there's chicken. Yeah, eat the chicken.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Now, okay, but if they don't eat the chicken and they're like, but I'm so hungry.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Yeah, you sound like Ryan. Yeah, I mean, I'm not making three different, but God bless you if you do. It's okay. Yeah. Just not personally where I'm at. Some of the other stuff I really get into, like fun treats and you know, obviously cooking meals and stuff, but I love how we say, like, okay, but this is an area we don't mind. And there are so many like reels and stuff of moms that are like, who when did it become my job to feed these people like three meals a day until they die? I know. And you're just like, oh yeah, that's gotta be really stressful if that's not your thing. Yeah, it is a non-stop either that or you're figuring out like where are we getting our food from because I'm not cooking it, you know. So then you're ordering or you're making healthy choices the best you can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

It's a lot, and it's all okay. And like I said, if it's not your thing, there's many things that aren't, but oh my god, the joy. Even last night I made that roast that I was telling you about. Oh, yeah. And uh, shout out Farah Feeds that Instagram. If you're not following, follow her because she has a lot of great recipes, and I made her like uh oven roast. I was like stare to the point where Johnny was like, Could you stop staring at me?

SPEAKER_02 21:45

But I was like, Because he was enjoying it, he was enjoying it so much. Yeah, it warmed your heart up.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

And I was like, You like it, right? Did you try the jalapenos? And he was like, Could you just back up a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Freaking me out.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

I was so excited, so excited.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

I feel like I I relate to that one deeply. I do. Do you feel like sharing love with people is like giving them a meal? You're really excited. But then also, this is like chefslash nutritionist, and that brings me so much like stress and guilt. Like, am I buying healthy enough foods? What is everybody eating? I started telling my kids like two fruits and a vegetable that is like non-negotiable in a day. Yeah. And like they'll still try to get away with it. And I'm just like, I can't be taking care of everybody's health in this whole house. It's too much stress for me. It is stressful. So, like, take your vitamins, eat the vegetables. I cannot care.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Like until you're 25. They have to like release some of this because that comes with a lot of guilt. I feel like too. Well, and then Am I doing it the right way? Am I buying the right products? It doesn't even end with their nutrition. It's like that with everything they put on their body and motions.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Yeah, life gets more difficult. They get older and they're, you know, they're gaining weight, they're losing weight. They have acne. They're dealing with different like stressors. And so you're like, you know, she's calling you from school, like, I have stomach.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Should I be cooking differently so that you have less acne? Or you're should I be buying different products to like assist you in the it is so much. It is. And you're always like, again. It sucks a little bit of the joy out when you make the roast.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

You're like, yes. I know.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

And you're you're constantly learning, you know, we're not like I say a million times, I'm not a scientist. Like, she'll call me from school. I'm like, I guess I'll order peppermint pills and digestive enzymes and just eat more pineapple.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

And like it's just like you just can never but you do carry that weight. That's something I've said to Chris so many times in our household. If everybody's eating healthy in this household, who is the catalyst for that? Yeah. 100% me. It's not like he's walking around going like, I think we scrap some of these pre-packaged snacks and go with more whole fruits. Like, that's me. So then if I feel like everybody's out of whack, that's on me. You should be eating healthier. I should be eating healthier. You should be, you know what I mean? Ugh, I don't love that one. No, I'd rather just bake them brownies. I know.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

And then it's so multifaceted too because you're trying to, you know, be mindful, not be wasteful. Yeah, you know, like food waste, and you can never get it right because everybody loves bananas and you're buying bananas, and then all of a sudden everyone's like, I they they must take a vote. Bananas, nobody wants to bowls. Yeah, they even have a hundred frozen bananas. Just never get it right.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

No, and you can't, but then also it's like one of those things where you have to like hold it lightly because you feel like this is a trap. There's no way to win at this. So I can't put this much pressure on myself to be doing this perfectly. No, you know, and you figure out whatever your system is for grocery shopping, meal planning, whatever it is. I like batch cooking. I feel like I came stumbled into that because I'm just so sick of cooking like dinner every night. And I'm like, all right, so I gotta figure out a new system.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

I have a question about batch cooking, actually, now that you're bringing it up though, because and I I know that there are certain things. Older kids too, I feel like it works better. Older kids because you're in sports and stuff. And so, like your batch cooking if you're doing like you know, muffins or egg bites, I think you said you made or whatever. But like when you say batch cooking, because like I don't batch cook, but I do try to meal prep in the way that like I'll make a meal, like you know, ground beef bowls are huge around here, and I'll kind of combine it with like taco night because both kids.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yeah, that's kind of what I mean, though. Right?

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Like Gianni doesn't like sweet potatoes, but Ava does. So I'll do taco bowls, she does the ground beef with sweet potatoes, he'll make a taco, whatever. And I make a ton thinking this is also meal prep. So for tomorrow. Somebody's lunch, yeah. Are they eating it the next day? Because I feel like I do that.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yes, my kids know.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

Yeah, mine aren't great about that.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

That's what's in the fridge. Okay. There's also oatmeal. Like, if you don't like it, make eggs. Now I don't anymore. No, because our life is very busy. Yeah. And if I was just home all the time with nothing better to do than cook them fresh meals every day, I still don't think I think I would resent that. But like it would be like, okay, well, you have time, so make no, our lives are very busy. And I feel like uh it's always been the thing where it's just like there's leftovers, so they're used to it. And like you can kind of reinvent things, like you said, like I'll batch cook ground beef. Yeah. And then it's like, okay, so I also have tortilla shells, there's shredded lettuce, you can make a bowl. Yeah, there's whatever, all different applications. My kids are really into baked potatoes right now, which I think is hilarious. I couldn't get potato jacket jacket potatoes. Pay them to eat a baked potato uh any form of potato except for French fry until like this year, and now it's like the the coolest thing in the world.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

So I batch cooked baked potatoes, just like there's 10 baked potatoes in my fridge. There's maybe there's ground turkey, maybe there's other things to put with it, but I feel like that's like your little side and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

My kids laugh, they make fun of me because I love it. You're also like the manager of your refrigerator, and not everyone knows, especially all the people that have you've like counter depth or whatever, like you can only fit, can't see what's in there, you know. It's a nightmare. So I'm always saying, like, just so everyone knows there's fresh strawberries, there's mangoes, there's ground beef, there's chicken, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, we know.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

And then you also have to make it accessible for them. So if there's fresh strawberries, it's like they've already been washed, or you know, like I've cut things or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

It's just and because everyone's so particular, I'm like, and I have jalapeno sauce for you, and I have buffalo sauce for you, and I have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

All your favorite condiments are on this side of the door.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

Anything that you want to add to it, and they're like, We know. I'm like, no, you don't, because nobody's eating anything.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Like, no, you must not know. They're like, We're going to Chipotle. Thanks, Mom.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Yeah, especially now that they can drive. Just last night, Gianni called me. Ava picked him up from something. Like they were in between all a bunch of different things. And he's like, Hey, Ava just got me. Can we get food? And I'm like, No. Right. I gotta kill the roast in the other wing for you.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

You're gonna love this roast, and I'm gonna watch you enjoy it. Yes, gonna watch you very close. Like a creep. Okay, the next one is chauffeur, and we don't have to talk about this for very long. I think it's implied. Yeah. But until they drive, 100% of their little schedule falls on you, mom. So thank God we have a blessing for school. I'm not like hauling kids back and forth to school. Some people have to start with that. Yeah. And then all the little things doctor's appointments, sports, all the things. I mean, again, that's like a small one, but a taken for granted thing. Like my mom will just get me there. Sometimes I will say my kids are old enough now where they're like, Yeah, I gotta be at whatever, at whatever. And I'm like, Did you ask a parent, since you don't drive or float? Right. Did you verify with us that that would even be a possibility for you when you're a little bit? Right, no, they never do. No, I mean, we're we're working on it. I'm I'm explicitly teaching it now. But I'm like, oh, alright. Well, you should have probably checked here first. I don't know, just never ends.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Yeah. Well, it does end. It does end, I will say. This one I'll say, like, I know you're sad. I will say a car full of kids. I don't want to like cry the whole episode, but it's okay, crying out. Enjoy this one because specifically like the sports and having like other kids in the car.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Like, enjoy enjoy that part of it. Those are good times. Those are good times, or even like driving to a sports event now, which again, like we don't, my kids are younger. We have like a specific playlist, like a hype list or something. So I feel like that's it's all part of the experience. And on a Tuesday, when I'm just getting somebody from like school to sports with like lunch in the car, I'm not talking about that, but like when we're driving to something, it feels like a whole oh it is family event. Yeah, all fit back and forth.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

I used to like bring food when I would pick them up from volleyball like early on. They were like, I don't even know, seventh grade or something. And I was just so excited to be able to like for everybody. Oh, I'd go get pizzas, yeah. And like just pass marks as a pizza's back, and I'll never forget because we the car was full. I think I had like six girls, and a few of them were like very tall girls, and then the littlest ones were Ava and one of her best friends, Layla, and they were like tiny, like tiny to compare to their ones. Oh my gosh, when you saw them on the court, you were like, they looked like they didn't even belong. Right. And the girls were like slamming pizza, and they could not keep up and they were trying so hard, and I was just like, don't throw up, please don't throw up in my car.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

It was a treat. Like right. It's so true though, your car just becomes like an apartment. Like there's socks. We were just laughing about socks getting left around, but like there's socks in the back of my car, food. It's just yeah, but it goes by like that. I'm trying to remind myself. Okay, how about the next one?

SPEAKER_03 30:11

House manager. Oh, I like this one. I like this title.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

I like the title.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Operations manager.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

I hate like three-quarters of the tasks. Yeah. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

I don't. Wait, keeps household, but like I see, see, I see it as like operations manager, house manager. Like you can you can like dictate, you can outsource.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Oh, that's good thinking. You know what I mean? Yeah, because some of the tasks are like um cleaning, organizing, scheduling, budgeting, and I'm like bleh. Cleaning, gross. I don't want to do anything. Outsource stuff. But when you say operations manager, yeah. Yeah, you can, you can delegate too, exactly, which is the ultimate goal. I actually love that. Remember when I taught you how to clean a toilet? It's your time. Do it now. It's your time to shine. Well, my kids.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Show the world that I raised you with skills. So mad at me when I'm this actually though, this ticks me off. But I'll be like, hey, throw this away from me. And they'll be like, you're right here. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm the boss of you. I love that. That works. Yeah. Like, here, throw this away. Like, no, I'm doing other stuff. I'm chopping stuff. Right. Throw it away from me.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

It's not because you're standing there just like enjoying your sweet time. You're probably in the middle of three other things.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

I I will say though, this I enjoy it, um, but it is a little difficult for me because of some of my, you know, OCD or whatever. I do it, I do have a hard time. Specifically, I have a hard time delegating tasks sometimes. Like I find myself just being like, I'll just do it.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

This is easier if I hear that. I actually think that's a very common mom thing. It's like uh I could just do this easier than it like or quicker than it takes for me to explain to you. Yeah, yeah. But I do also feel like just the coordinating everybody's schedules and stuff, like does that really fall on you? We're getting better about sharing that because we have like a Google, you know, a family calendar, whatever, eye calendar, whatever. Don't tell Ryan. I revolt on that. Oh my gosh, how do you manage your life though? I write it down. Oh, that's beautiful. How does everybody see it when they're like in various places? Don't touch my stuff. So, like Alessia just for her birthday just got finally got an iPhone. Yeah. And I was the most geeked that all of her sports announcements, calendar notification. I'm like, good, you know what you're gonna do? Add yourself to our family calendar. She's in her little sports app. So if the coach at the last minute is like, Where are your blue shorts? It's blue shorts. I'm like, guess who is not a hundred percent responsible responsible for blue shorts today? Yeah, me. Oh, yeah, that's all the little notification reminds us, yep, practices different tonight. Bring this. The I mean the school emails, I feel like I'm still like following up on like a test tomorrow, right? But I love that like delegating some of that out and not being the sole because it is without that. I feel like I'm the one who's like, Yeah, what things do we have going on this week? And Chris is really good about sharing the calendar with me and updating it as soon as he gets a new thing that would affect all of us. But that's a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

I don't trust a calendar. Ryan's been trying to get me on his Google calendar like wild to me that you guys don't do that. I'm like, nope, I want to write it down. I want the paper planner.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

You remember those like were real popular? It's like a big uh digital calendar.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

Oh yeah. Love that. Nope. It's like a dream come true. I just want to write it down. And I and I then I want I think I like writing down. I'm too like old school about it. I want you just heard me say it. I want to be like, where are you going? What time are you gonna be home? Like and he's always like, if you had my Google calendar, you'd be able to see it. And I'm like, oh no. I don't want to see it.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

I don't want it to replace all the communication or anything, but I love organization. Yeah, I feel like that is an area where I'm like, I will, I will organize.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

I like it. It just it it there's something about it that makes my particular like my OCD like there's too many hands in this, too many people can access and add events. And what if somebody erases an event I put in?

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Like, I don't I can't see and then me and Chris mismatch a little bit about that because he'll put everybody's calendar in with ours, and I'm like, nope, yeah, nope. I can't be worried if you have like a dentist appointment if you're not in my immediate house. Right. I can't clutter up my mind with those things, so I just like uncheck those. Yeah, I struggle with that. Yeah, I can understand, but it is because it is such a huge task. Yeah, so your paper calendar must be epic. It is okay, and you have a system that works for you. Yeah, works so far, right? To whatever extent. Yeah, okay. Uh cleaning, I could pass on all day long. I would love to delegate that. Uh delegate it, but yeah, give it away. I hate it. I'm sure some people love it. Yeah. No, I delegate anything I can.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

I I mean, I like again, I like some of these tasks and stuff. But okay, the next one's heavy.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Which one? Oh counselor. Yes, emotional support specialist that listens to worries, helps presses his feelings, gives advice. Yeah, that's a heavy one. Yeah, and it starts pretty early. Yeah, it starts very early. And I feel like that one I can say, um you know, I think depending, I think most times they come to mom first. You know, now I I do have a son, so there are things he, you know, he does go to Ryan about first. But Ryan carries a lot of this as well. He's definitely we're definitely a team here.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

I was gonna say of a lot of these tasks, if there's anything where I hope that the load is more shared for other women, wives, moms, it would be counselor, emotional support, like advice. That is not something that I feel like I would ever want to take on on my own without like a partner saying, like, oh no, I'm you know, no, I'm gonna talk to them about that too, or like, oh, why are you so stressed? And I'm saying, I'm stressed because what your kids are going through, and then like help me, you know, help me help them or whatever. I'm very thankful. I'm gonna add a little caveat for us because we're also spiritual people. I feel like this is very much a shared load with us. Oh, yeah. But like spiritual counseling, what's the right word? Education, you feel like you're entrusted with these little human beings, you want them to know what the most important thing in the world is. Yeah. And so that's an additional facet where you feel like you can't get that wrong, right? You want to be and you want to be showing them like what a life well lived looks like.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

That's a big one. I know like for me, both heavy.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

It's heavy because I feel like it's a big responsibility. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

And for me, both my kids were they chose to be baptized, you know, earlier. They were both 13. Uh-huh. And I remember one of our um ministers that you know we both respect. I was a little nervous about it because when Ava asked, I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

And he was, and he's somebody that we've leaned on through my life. Yeah. And I called him and he said, Um, you know, he he comforted me and told me like he was there, he saw it go down and everything. But what he said was the the rest of this journey happens at home. Like, okay, she made the ultimate decision, but right now you're there to guide her through the rest of the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

She's young, she's still under your wing, and you're saying, like, yeah, this is tough, but like this is how we deal with it. Or so there are many facets. Yeah, and then this one I feel like I'm struggling with more, you know, like they say, bigger kids, bigger problems. So some of the emotional hurt feeling stuff that they have early on is is like easily maybe remedied, or they felt left out, and you go as this stuff gets harder and the issues get heavier, it is so hard to separate it from your own like dysregulation. I don't know. I hate using like that word, but like I'll be upset in in an afternoon and I'm like, what is what is wrong with me? And it's because my kid told me something. So now I'm like, I've beef with like a 13-year-old, and I was just telling another good friend of mine, I am having such a hard time going like that's okay, like you know, like modeling what it's I'm like immediately also dysregulated.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Yeah. Oh, it's that's so hard.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

It is really hard for me. It might be time of life or whatever, but I'm like, don't tell me because now I'm like want to drive down to so-and-so's house and be mad at them or something.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Well, and with girls, it's different because I feel like they can't like it is a a bigger deal emotionally. It's just how they, you know, comprehend things. But with boys, I had to just tell myself not to do it because five seconds later they're fine. Yeah, and the whole day you text me. Yeah, like you text me from school, I'm upset. All day he comes home, I'm like, he's like, oh no, we're fine. And I'm like, you're fine. I wasted a whole afternoon about that.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

That's what I mean though. I think other people might have a better, they might be better at like having that distance. I don't have that. I gotta cultivate some distance. No immediately. I'm like, what, who, why, why do they hate us?

SPEAKER_03 38:54

Oh, I know. You go there, or you go to past traumas. Like, why are they mad at me? I know. Is it because you think your mom's mad at me? Yeah, I know. No, they hate our whole family. Immediately. Oh, that's normal. Uh I also think what I like about this one, the emotional support specialist or counselor. I do think, at least for me personally, this is an area where I think it's very much a team with me and Ryan, but this is an area where we have both um decided to allow a lot of our family to come. Yes. I always tell her, you know, Ava, listen, if I'm not available, go to one of your aunts. Or like we're always willing to hear, like, you know, if our parents are around and they'll say, Well, I heard that happen to you, and you know, blah, blah, blah. Every once in a while, you know, you'll get an uncle who'll be like, Well, just punch them, and you're like, uh appreciate it. We're doing things differently now. You just never know. Like, you know, and hey, hey, sometimes maybe you might need to punch a break. I don't know. I'm just saying you can share that. It's an area where I do like that open communication to hear like different perspectives from close loved ones that we love and respect to hear how things would be handled because sometimes, yeah, you're like, I don't know, I didn't even think of that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

I will say too, I was thinking as you were saying that, I was thinking about a conversation we had recently and um with my one of my children. What I feel better about with this, maybe is is compared to years past. I don't know, maybe not. I do feel sometimes underqualified. Yeah. So then I'm very open when we're having a heavy conversation. I'll say, like, if you feel like you need to talk to somebody else, not even family or whatever, that's an option we can take up to. Like, I don't know if that was necessarily a go-to, but I'm like, if you need to talk to somebody who's like more qualified to talk to you about like higher feeling or whatever, that's something we can explore. Like, we're not opposed to that. And I actually don't feel like I know what the best advice is. Yeah. And I don't want to give you the wrong advice. So I'm at least feeling like I don't have to be like a licensed counselor. I can say, like, there's a lot of help out there. Yeah. If I'm not cutting it and you're, you know, you've talked to other people that you love and trust, let's talk to somebody else, you know. I I've had to fall back on that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Just keeping myself like that, 100%. That's what they're there for. I love that. Qualified. And I actually think, I mean, I we're not qualified to give any advice, of course, other than anybody. Yeah, it's not like we're acting like that at all. No. But I will say, I do think that that's a really important thing to to at least explore because then you're not just creating carbon copies of yourself. Like nobody knows it all. And like you said, I there are many times I feel unqualified, and I lean on experiences from you know, from my parents, from my grandparents, but from my coach, from other people in my past, from people in my church, like to be able to instill that to like, hey, maybe I don't know this, but let's talk to somebody else. I think I think helps create a well-rounded person.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

I hope so, yeah. I feel like that's that's where it's like so important that you have a community or a family that you're like also, but also we're not at all closed off to like maybe none of us have the right answers for you. So then let's figure out who can help you the best or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

Yeah. Or don't you see moments where um, you know, now that yours are like older, there are very much times where either kid, like Ava, will be talking to me, and I'll be thinking, like, she's too much like me right now, and this is a problem that I don't know how to solve. Like, or if it almost like triggers you, and you're like, This, you're you gotta talk to your dad or someone from your dad's side of the family, go call juju. Like they they can get you out of this because if I tell you what to do, I know what's gonna happen. It's not gonna end up good. It's not gonna be good. Like, you could gotta go talk to somebody else, like you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

Yeah, well, they always say that too. Like that when kids share something with you, or they're they're you notice something about them that like bothers you the most, it's like oh yeah, triggering something that was an issue for you, or it still is, or whatever. And I'm like, oh man, do I see that?

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

And I am not the best person to help you then for sure.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

I I love that about us.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

I'm just gonna climb into your pit with you and be like, what are we upset about?

SPEAKER_03 43:01

I do think that that's the best thing that you can do if we can give any advice at all, I think, would be to look outside yourself and realize the areas that you're not able to like perform there and and pull like call a use a lifeline. Go to your resources, a lifeline.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Yeah, use a lifeline. It literally is a lifeline sometimes because you're like, I mean, I just talked to you because I was like, we were going through something new and heavy, and I was like, tell me, I'm not the first parent to hear this, or you know what I mean? And then it's like, of course not, yes, immediately you have like resources, and you're saying, like, okay, so then also you have resources. Yes, talk to somebody who's a little bit older than you, or talk to, you know. So yeah. I don't know. You want to end on a more fun one? Because I feel like we could definitely do a whole part two. Oh, yeah. For the mom titles, we've only just begun. Okay, you go pick a fun one. Oh, all right. Well, I thought the next one was kind of fun because neither of us wants to do it. But siblings. All right, what is it? You tell us.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Conflict mediator. Yeah. Actually, not that fun. It's fun when you think about your kids wrestling on the floor because you're like, oh my gosh, whatever. Kill each other. But honestly, as soon as you have more than one kid, this is like 80% of your day. Uh up until a certain age. Where are yours at? Give me hope.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Are they oh, they're self-fighting? Like cats and dogs. You know, I will say, I should I shouldn't make that. It's different dynamics to boy girl. It's different dynamics. It's they're such different personalities. Um, but now that they're getting older, they are getting closer. Yeah. Because you know, you you fight through that, and you at the end of the day, like you make them, hey, you gotta love each other. You're the teammates. Like, you know, it's it's you guys be here forever. Yeah, it's you guys against it. Hold on to each other, yeah. So they are they are better. Like when I see them drive off to like go get cookies to me.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

She picked up Gianni and they went and got food. I was like, oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

It is it's so cute to watch, but but also there's still I mean, they're such different, like she's so type A and he's so type B, you know. So it and it's girl boy, so it's a lot of like you left your socks on the flooring.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

I was gonna say it's not so much the physical stuff anymore. Nobody's like shoving each other in the backseat of the car.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

They actually never did that.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Oh wow, do you have any like words of wisdom?

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Well, I I think it's because it's it was girl boy, so it was like you not.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

I don't think me and my brother used to get put hands on it. Oh my gosh, man, we would still do it. We were just laughing about how I like flung a rubber band at his eyeball. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

I feel like we never did that.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

My brother, when he started playing hockey, had to be like, check Brad, he'll say, Yeah, because she was out of control or something. But like, listen, I'm gonna ask Brad. Not picking fights with just like quiet kids sitting in the corner. I mean, I feel like he'd go with me a little toe-to-toe. But like, yeah, we were always doing something like a little bit when we were younger. I don't think back on that.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Maybe my sibling has confirmed.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

But like, I feel like I distinctly remember like wrestling around with him because I love that I told this. One time I was like, I don't know, just like sitting on top of him and like hitting him or something, and he told me I made him bleed eternally. And he meant internally. But I was young enough. He's still bleeding, and I knew that was the wrong word. So the bleeding is fight over. Then it was just a verbal fight the rest of the night. I was like, are you still eternally bleeding? And he's like, You know what I meant?

SPEAKER_03 46:19

I was like, I don't I'm gonna have to ask now I'm gonna have to ask my brother and my sister. I don't feel like we've physically slap each other in the car when your parents weren't looking.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

It was two girls and a boy. Something special because I do feel like there's a whole world of internet out there that's like I see it.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

It's not abnormal.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Parents swinging their arms around in the car to like whack the kids because they're yeah, or I will stop this car.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

My dad did say that, but it was more you know what we would fight about? We would be like, because it was three of us, yes, so someone was always in the middle, it's a little dynamic, too. Yes, and it was two girls and a boy, but like it was always, and my brother was a baby, like still is the baby. It was always like she's looking out my window. Oh, yeah. Because the person in the middle didn't want to look through the front. What do I mean?

SPEAKER_02 46:59

Like just the incessant nonsense fighting, we're still in that. And I'm like, kid, you guys just not talk to each other for that doesn't work. Yeah, I can't imagine. I mean, until they're like adults, I can't imagine it would, because then they're just verbally going at each other. Yeah. No, it's just always the dumbest stuff, yeah. And I'm like, when do we grow out of this? I'm losing my mind.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

And you know what I started doing? It's like an age, I feel like that's all worse. It's all it's all gonna be that's normal, but I started turning everything into a lesson. Hopefully, now that they'll be like so exhausted of lessons that they won't want to do it, but just the same.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

Or not in front of you, at least.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Yeah, no, somebody noticed it. Like when we walked in, like you could see on my children's faces, because they also inherited from me, like you know, like Ava, especially like the just you can tell from her face when something is wrong. And they walked in, but it was because she had like walked down the stairs and he like commented on her appearance, and I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, okay. Like, you guys are siblings, but like you're like you don't do that. Like you know how hard it is for a girl to get ready for church on a Sunday, try to look fashionable, but try to look appropriate, time blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

And he was like, Oh god, but I could tell she came down and he like crushed her, you know, but that's what gets harder is like their little nitpicking fighting can actually be a little more vicious because they're they know witty, yeah. They know your soft spots, and then it's like, oh, you guys have to love each other though. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I'm deep in it right now with the the nitpicky fighting, so I was hoping for light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, I'll check back with you in a couple years.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

I don't know. There have been a f a few times.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Yes, I actually just saw a really interesting thing about when you have beef with your siblings, yeah, like not complaining to a parent because you're triangulating or whatever, it's like now it's me and you versus my brother or my sister, and I was like, Oh, come on, like what are we doing? Right. But yeah, I think that doesn't end.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

Yeah, no, I think you're always you're always a refereeing.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Yeah, don't love that one. I feel like for sure come back for a part two, and that'll line up perfectly because we're still celebrating mom's next week. And if you don't already like, follow, know where to find us on social media, go find us if you're in the mood. We would love for you to give us like a little review. Anywhere you listen to the podcast, only if it's good, though. A good review. If you don't like us, you should definitely private message us about that. Yeah, please don't bring down our stars. But no, seriously, though we would appreciate it. We would love that.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

You guys are the best. Yes. Yeah, thank you for stopping by again and come back for part two because moms, moms deserve a part two.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

They deserve a lot more time. We're gonna give it to them.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Yeah. All right. See you guys next time. See you later.

unknown 49:46

Bye.