[JPN] Fumi Sugeno - グローバルヘッド, SIIF: 違いは、壁ではなく価値になる

「あなたと働いて、日本への見方が変わった。」
 この一言が、とても印象に残りました。

今回のポッドキャストでは、社会変革推進財団（SIIF）のグローバルヘッド、

Fumi Sugenoさんにお話を伺いました。

日本、アメリカ、 中国をまたぐキャリア。異なる文化や価値観、そしてそれぞれの「正しさ」がぶつかる現場。 その中でFumiさんが見出したのは、
 「社会を変えるのは、仕組みよりも人との関係性」 ということでした。

英語での膨大なリーディングに圧倒された大学院時代。
中国の農村部で、孤独と向き合いながら取り組んだプロジェクト。

どれも簡単ではなかったけれど、その先にあったのは、誰かの価値観が変わる瞬間でした。 さらに印象的だったのは、日本の価値観の可能性。
 「三方良し」や「里山」といった考え方が、今あらためてグローバルで注目されています。

違いは、壁ではなく“価値になるもの”。

そう感じさせてくれる対話でした。

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Enzaywa Amerikao Kyoteni Nihon Nirujimo Rimoto de Hikiti Rashimas Kunaipisodo Dewa Kaiga de Hataraki Kuraskotoni Kyomiyomota kikakea punkaya shokba nochigayo dono yoni noriko itekitan okao ukagaimas. So humisando yoroshone gasmas Humisan wa Nihunde Daika Kototuogo Amerikano Daikaku inni Sismaremashtayone Daika Mosebarasiga Kodeshta si New York to you kan kyo kai dini kegen dikano wahuntoni k jona kuto dato mondes Krasmetomo Kyojumo Sugui Katabakari de Egataiken Taksa Atatomondes Kido Ipo de Toseng Taihenakutomata domono de Humisani Tote Kodegai Tibantai data ykutoa nanda tati show Diga Queen Kana Sonato Jushok Ni transition Surinogaswoktai hentata Devantasino Banya Sono Daga Quini Hai Lumini Shikoto Kekinakur Dagaxotu Gyoshte Taiwan de Chigokono Bankyoshte Sonomma Americano Dagaquini Anum Susandano de Americano Daga Quinte do Chakatto Academic and Professional Jinzai O ano XSurio na Dagaqui Datano de Matai Minasan Shigoto Kekinga Nanika Ate son Dagaqueni Kurutan Datan Kido Shigotoki Nakui Tati Pata.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Dagara Oborogini Nanish Taikati Koto Atanekido Natin Atanikido. So Tai Taiwan na short te you so no coho ano noite. Tashani Tashkan Shabentai kai hen at times.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

So karuo yo tie hen tie and kakunamo hanas na moto so neikato wasai mas, de watzigini carriasentayos koshi hurikaite itatakita in the sega so tzugo salete karima de samazona ke gin wasaretikato muimas.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

So no karya no nakade, korewa hunto ni tain datat the yushankanto, kakuni koreo yatektiokata, to kokoro karakantashinkan, yariga kanchtakoto, so rezore kikasete gimaska nosku okay sabate shiko to nato mo takire domo mochita noa consertanto yatita to ki ma soto toxuna business consertanto toksuna consertanto yuka I hono daikio sanga and chugo no son to dekochino tatimi to e my social business uh tatsiagi ru a dasityo tatsagi oh sac data di no socono some butos deon katalata ando partner shibo de anosonokata dono guide onto de chugono son the gani skunakomo isugan ni shugan, uh the other shotini san suga to caso gansini tiesa toni cominity no nakani hai te mikikisari motosino karashi ni toki conde. The sonaka carasono iro to gansino nize no Yomito atta kedo. Borega business consulting at the cake and sonotema ideva and chugo itan ihono ginko niotometi and keto sonotemai de chigo no energy or cats chugo de energio kasto de chigo toka chugo energio kasato kekingotkate consulting sono a money kicking a line nakate minasanto shoni de moska andori santoka, and shouninze de nihono kio no guru no stoto atuono energio no shtoto, and a partnershiporo communication breaching de an facilitation giron facilitation shte, de gio modelo tsurida stek. Tokoro yatite. Yonkaro muebasono imada so hikochioto iron na sono background chigo ano katska mochiga, she sono shukam mochiga, she so shuka mochiga, isionimo totskuri tak te, but ironako ano mozo barashi kotomo, ipayarikedomo conflictomo, an ipayare, deono ma totoko noite kut te, makar kanga to totemo jibumizukodata na tehuni pomote, so kekko, songenti de varito kotokao kanzinagaramo, mademo sugoyarigao kanzinagara, sonyate no, keko adela ba nusto no ma tahenata nati omo sogigansuko ma Yariga de mo atta and jivunugente no stosinati so could yatiste yoga tatato koko kanj kan tino Nakanakasuri na tomote tinoa natika sigotote sugoko warina watina inakathabimi tenakanti. Yonona kakakai or eho konikai r tino it's nakate noka na tinin toshinagaraya tere, nakatiko ni watanaikatoka, sugo ku chicha nakoto me sabakunimizo makuyonakoto watenaikatoka. Pontoya paris Aino said that Sigino Sigino said I tivatashereo na sakainoscu me toka kes andoni scoch them ano yakoi hataserebato mutene keto kekosina koto sana core de ino kanat'nits nini omuenangana siboto stirti no shozigina topolo de Mata Sono process to naigata gika antenato monoa siboto jite, codedata goenata kawatikan ni guriai koto, the you know tatuba soremot energio no cato stereo tokimi, wasigo conosabancho noso, Io sacerti tocoro yatatan nakido, katil projecto no yate gakakono, ano on nano kokara, hotami, or morayoina te, son kin sine te tomadastohanasistero kasunaca de atoko, thatan nakido, ano atasigani castati hongkara kistoga kite maso te sonodizu ni nanka canozono cocoroni fulmona togami morate democando stashi ato, sonotoki, a chugo kikio kosate, ni honi caro deotokini ano chugokino, doro no kata ni atja wakareno dila, simasotinisato, ne, asze his a heat the musuguchina, an energio no nakademo sonhombuto yorimo siga castoseno sonbeno, nainani kenti tocoro no, uh no so if of it's no shokuino katata and kidomo, akira totemo sino yukana katate, dashimo state totemo yogumana stata di seno katak the cano joga di dinaote so tita, hanashishtehunto sine na stat Hanashita joga nofemijita no ticte denani kitana si send itsu ano kason toke katano tivarite. Sonanda Yukata netara and jibunde mado in Japan sohin katanda ano epali n shigode shigotosh scriptiste conakate nitjuno sonovkozats na exite nowa, iski washeta kedomo, ma taitene anaminaskite mosukota monaside anno isha shigoto stike maso te huni it tekasati tandiv Nidakara Yanao Steretopa Yino anak moskasetasega nasta yu Yanamo sa ta kamo sine kido ano. Koto, itimokanzikotakata, the jitsila zuto soyate koko nakani ano wadakamaringa teni honti kuni da shte ano ya femina tasi anatato ishin shikoto sti kunaka de kanva katakatayot dehuni uhano yutekasate ya hontosokoamo anoca tohihadagata sugurai. Soinaka, and cojin to kojin tinaka furyao kotomo nakawa tokoga suguaru danato kanoshte it's manemukok mineno tini code santo ste kate toshte shimate kanjikamo.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

Ah, sonan dasugui kikinstan eh sonabwa. Hmm sutovkatasimokite fita to de kisitano ekio gasugoi karane. So de ma so noime sanda makeana sun sote kawate kedo y sonanda nan nanto so nantu wakaryo de sonokata washata kotam wakario de tanashite no manushi mm sonanda so hi ja anum atsugiva sifany sate mo sta kido I sifu ha ni honda kijanaku, grovarani mameo mokete irasha andaskido se kai ni call your impacto atita it de yujon or kudasai.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

So meza stil nowa nashi sat tenandaro te gara no grobarana e zanskami, what's kut take to kini kode Warega moika tatsimodoru saihakin sebeki katoka, kanga katatoka, tetsukakotoka, ano yarikatatoka, sorezo no kumi, yap arutomunine and hintoga. Nihon no nakademosugok arunatite so nihon nasat de toko korakano san sekai no miasan de shia suruto, kikoskaste, korekano akai yonanakanoskimizukinyak kaskamo syrinite nihon nasatino chanto stai lu kata chide tsta, tatavi uhano isonyosukoto naka de chishteku, tiko toshtaina tomot. Soibanaka ano psykin nihon ni okeru ano dasida, impacto economy tsuno shaka kankyo niyo katacide no kesei no aliikata t no impact economy de yukoto vadarash nekido. Impact economy, co no juni no Iumite business cur no sense ki kudasati and resat chim study otskoti ta no samo ego deutori commitinoga, no de groban audience toti da isa mo kick s kunai she oksodo hasimeto shte, irouna kuni de ba ima business kuno na de sono tho you ni shaka nito cano cats uh catsozo na extractive jani, regenerative na no economy stick no catoka business na katana stekno cateno kuchinok salete ayodakama sotokoin ki was e toshis cut tita like besoko de tuto ano chosen she hasime te i no ga honasta ano oh gana do youfoni ni hon impact economic co tito ni ko sayo steno kain oh fe te tatewasono nihono sampoyo shit kanga, missonin no ano tetzega k deci no son yo takezana k te ano shosha sochte ano shakay yonan kaitote mo yoiko te no maukashkara nihon no nakadeva, business no philosophi to atta and soy party mahudito stakeholder capitalism toka tito poin sugeru kotogan, adomun kistes no kabuno shishi josugi, dewa naito, tate ano nogama sino niho no business no alikata and nanka sonda tariato ano satoyama teyu concepto, ano nihon no donna yapari sato nitemo taite sono no umitoyama tehate mayama teyuto satoyama, te use na kasorega ni honjinugame keto stare keto, sote yapay sono shizento anashtoga, tomoni ikiru te use on intersection bubonte at te mesto notegas ano arute lo hai kotonyote sono shizenmo mentina sali, shizen no megumio minna deva katiya, satoyama karai lorob ano sansa data taitoka, anaimokodata tambani mizuhita sono minna de kovakatia de maintenance. Nikota isunakute, brendo shtiu, de yu arikata tinomo and kolegano son keze toka business naikata, isis are tight de cle to mondionekaso yukotomo anwarayeno sono projector nakate an concept kwa na conceptoshte ska te soro business no se keni ano ikaste no kamita an toko mo fi to kasti, eko yapari sono kakoponakata to temu kyo kastiko dasaru, a givuno anu keste sono ko amerika datarisono Europa datarika, tosemya pe shiruno, ivan ezanoshkumitoka, ano i on a business no lilon toka, tihoro, dakizanakte naino sonobunka tino sonto ni son tokinosanconi, ruttihuni or sete dakam itaristi mma huminahanashio kite omotan dokido Samoy shia, satoyamat to yu gainengata, groba revisin sky kunabenya kude koredake hibikut de yuno ah shin sende mar shis go to mondez Sifuga Guroba Mukater Tono Kotonan da kido Gudaitekini wa kai gai no kigyoto toxete partnership or kunde toshi kyo or Sarino gasorito mo kai gai ni tenka steru ni hong kigyo o sapo dosirukatachi ni narano kana. Irome anikataga aru to omokte no toshi tai wa omony anzuto mama de ni hong no kaisa ni toshote i done ano omona gisen no ano gemba de no ni hong. Soreo yebari sono nihono ano system to ato asian system taka zemba tara. The onazion na kucolo zasion mote onaziona to me konate, kak kokunyar no de soreo do youfu ni isioniko ano kaksan shte, groba na moventan shtecno kat tetoko the katangok te nano to ima medani some kai gine ken kyukikanto kyodo de gisaito ka ano hashin o shtari toka ano sone ano kai groba na to ba ima some systemka no grope ni ano marino echin to shte hai tete, ano so ko de manabi gatikiryo na moshkas no kyodo ga so hat sario na commindi zukurio shonya tetarka homoni aru hmamen de ishonyi and cooperation de kiro kika noa kamodan. So so moton exono ni hunkana seca ye an no seca no system changin co canchte ko ti noa uh tusimo hontoni ye hazimites on shif andaka shif good sagita and the kido so liga mykahota motha yo tio chia ki na dun so you send like no hokose toi takata ano cooking the kirun secan kokin de kirin ta titokorova ano shoziki tesaguri de daka ima aziano ano fando mitana tokorimo sankakato shte, sankak de kinaika to kama swenokin toshitarka anno to ima den yakoto phase de anos. So so so challenge him like no gruba head totoste ni honda kidanaku kaiga no patana tomo and hibbi ali tori tomonda kido ano kanga katatoka, shikotonasme chigauto mono chigaun the mita inaking or she despari chigauna tomono ano ma omoni a decimo obedo ano shoto yarito sri kotoga or in the kidomo y pari sono obedato yori kojin ay gatsato atemo we no de soriga chigaonate daga can chite toko de obeda by kojing that atasha do moimas uhtasha do kimasse. Honda tano toto itam mochika kakonisimas. No, whatever whatever the co can itemas. So, koga sugo ya parini homa consense as a being so skinny of themchiga shish so te saw you type uh the are to omon the kid omor. Kiste no, colo gama demoniste mo ano kaiga, no katagata toshonito ni jibund the humito ste ko mitire no te pari the kyku dron na denkeodo te shtoto tono e dano shin laikanke bas dana tehuni su moti no de mahmasuwa jinto ste na shte tadakiruka ota shin la shyruka respectosha moshroni anatato shoinarika ni ano omote tadakiruka tino de sokeon koyufuni kakalite mukuti kik si adi kianaku naka de keko ugoite kana, de manna monogoto ziyoga oko de on na timing gun na yo so ika anoko alliance tokiha te pari an umare mono da kana maso so umare si ano dojo ts good te toko the kanki the good yati re can see.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

So, da ne to kanke the goodin eh na toko ni amerika the smorto juodato mona. So, uh uh can koki animo sako dotomo business.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

So, e to that kanga gata me sanati. Tomado na to motokoro nanti kanako ma koremashton type machinko Korega tadashi, the suk om moikon de kasano. Irona kun kuninoft snagatoka, irona sekta nafhtotsnagatoka, no to ka oinod jibuno son hairiben visjon wa k manimono kimitskana yonichta. Mzkashibunwa auturistic na ano motivation diatere yonana kanti an eatalike bayashatu, no de sole te sono jibun dakenosegi or shton o shit skid to ano skoi sono sembikite nakanaka tomatika toso na teshima, kamo to omon de soko sugok a jibunakane bingani ano kantote toko deam pijomu attahogay naito na monogotamae sismera naika demo sine inanka sore ano ma so koy makeete yarika tata, mozo toko ano guta tekina reberi dano ko aniga tadashi mitana toko it'emoko furikaite tara, mo sore ano kairo te tokoroni op oni taioshekana se kinashi, Mamaza Aiteno koto your sguko honton kiku mazu ketomeru mitana si, ga Akotova taista son sgok korek korinande korayatina or korigato yuare noa Iuno chotomado.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Ah, socola batsukashio ne geni s no se kaida do kigiga de gado kaga kiduni na ducara aloimidea simple demo sejja koksaikanke and gio nado shakaiori yoi hokoni bichita yu bijon mote ru katada chiwa sorezore bijjonga chikata disirukara zigino seda in no tameni se stonyote s kosid chigakara s koga muzukashi tukato mo. Ikeon yasei kankyo tech gana Amerika na katato jibuno iken o ganga Shijo shte Matuno Waribu Marukido Ato de Matsigata moe ba sari ayama te ikon kaira deu tokoga arujanae, so you bunkaga arukara matatsugi mo kigaruni ikenga yrenjana kanatomo.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Karasono Nakakanta iken yuarita rito kaste mo tabu um so you bunkata t so uh you are it aho mo a soro passar niukitomena ide. So so notokinoko sonatu kinokonata kanta okay takimas.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

So beginos spawnina kara niho no chimo remoto de hirunakade Humni to bantahe nakotoa nande shote kyakuni rimota dakara koso yoikotoma tomono de sochelamozehi kikasete da sai.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Communication gaimoto dato muskasina t muskaste sono shigoto na yoga kikiko mo kimatiri kotoga o kataga kimatei kotoga o ino dale ba itsuno katani so te zakuda emilata akik communication mm de sino kotomo oito omondiane kotote hotoni kataga nai katot s could take mm kotina toko nano de mm si majos no communication style. Hura. Yeah, yeah, korewa ta tumo so to tokini atarashi kutashio tata sa mm sotia pina sono keko discussion shte skuti kuti tokolo ga oing ne communication style toshta. So tona kama online no meeting tokaniwa, narun nakido mo mo mo epa mane sono staniaruno, so no sono stonaka ku kanjo toka ukale te jo kyo toka. So you no mo epa su toni e koshtiku ma choke to kini. So no talatani online meeting the day agenda kywa for this day discussion shima show ejo de kaiteki mono sunde kakisunaikara. Kizuita rasvok foras on tamara sate taritoka Sorini nakanaka kizugenaka taritoka Sasaki teda small tok aimano na tato kas ano takidaki shen koki no me terito kasuto sasutanga ya bari arja pashina kanki kizita kunas do ima kuko totai henan da natin o katari nan kawakwa surun danatin o cansi totari de gire to monda kido pasoko no so no aimano ano smoruto nai noga pari pizuikin hanaite tocono suk challenging na tokoda na tihuni kotoga aruto sreba but ano yapari okaritelukankyo toka friti joko toka attirish to bitoga ano chigao janai no soko de ano ni hong vanihon de siva ano americana tariho canokuni de ano no soyu ecosystem on akade kanjitore monoga chigao, no de Dakno sabunga noga yakuni ano no bisirudato mole, ne? Otaga yeah nihono gambakole otoka ginotka. Ye no ima and sika idea koy gino sarete mina koyho koimogati de core kokone anno nihonto semo koyoto kati da siruto mota. Lakaso no ko siya steak de kotoga uh no de kidino de soga ma kati the si cutini steak di not there.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Hm barigato wasan must. So, sukai na kotabale banane mata uhiko tomarashi, I Gambate kada sa humi sa kitsarama s orinha. Kondabangite, kutasatata chiga, umisa no katsodo toka, andasi fini tite motto shirita toka chokete as nagarita motaradoya tedden naxoro no kayo de shoka.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

A nigatoimas ano peze his a hero naftoni katso shita na defino tite ima sono ego de no kaigaeno hashin toka ano makura ni hongoka niano ni hongko de na hashimo it gambate yate no de ma ikutskar niskido maza shifu teyeu an SIF te soski no webesai to mitita kto mokeko iuroto ano komameni irouto kizik kaite iman katslo hashin steritoka wala kanga tiko hashin stelito kaste no de so imitata da kerebato. Ato asono ni hongonato noto ano shif no noto, ego shifno mediam no ano kizio, gus kizio ano irouto kaiten so comote kosteko da sai. Hanasiste on a case study mitano or tsutana ano linkto inni and de hashisoleon iste no defono account or the link to in de moche koshtita kile musthi korenakita ki uh ano sono sifono website or ni mere address no de she link toin k de sifono ni korenakita musi moskawa ta si ni mo success link to inde suite ano fumisugeno de korena kuita dakireba orishi kes Iowa orjika wasimasto misa arikato aikato wasai mas.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Korena koko kukibonobaiwa dink ten yodi fumi sugeno F U M I S U G E N O the Kenza Kunoye Korena Kokodasai. Da Zehi Sifno website mo Koran kudasai Saitowa S I I F Totto O Aru Dotto J P inanimas. Borders me na katawa Tink Tainde Ina kima moca, M- I N A K I M and M Kentakate na Kata. Mata Marti karchara Multicultural Hallet Network.