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Vacations (or Holidays if your British)

• Matt.peckover • Season 1 • Episode 6

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Travel Mishaps and Misadventures: Why Paying €50 for Sand Might Not Be a Good Idea!


In this uproarious episode, our hosts dive into their unique travel experiences, talking everything from frustrating family vacations to the hilarity of cultural differences in holiday traditions. Expect laughs as they discuss the embarrassment of clapping when a plane lands, the pitfalls of all-inclusive buffets, and why one host almost paid €50 for a tiny bottle of sand! Whether you're a world traveler or a weekender, this episode is packed with relatable anecdotes and laugh-out-loud moments. Tune in for a comedic take on vacations, staycations, and everything in-between!

00:00 Introduction and Banter

00:48 Episode Overview and Audience Discussion

02:59 Live Podcast Announcement

04:18 Vacation Talk: Dubai and Travel Preferences

05:58 Comparing British and American Holidays

13:12 Work Culture Differences on Vacation

15:24 Vacation Phone Habits

16:15 Returning to Work After Vacation

17:00 Vacation Attire and Stereotypes

18:52 Buffet Strategies on Vacation

20:29 Clapping on Planes

22:55 Domestic Holidays and Staycations

26:55 Traveling with Children

28:11 Final Thoughts on Vacations

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Matt:

Okay. Your, uh, your video quality team's a bit low today, but as long as your audio's good, I don't care.

Jerry:

Yeah. I mean, you, you look fine.

Matt:

I look fine. I always look fine, but you look, you look like you're using a Nokia as your workout, but I'm not sure what.

Jerry:

over here.

Matt:

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Let's just start. Hi. Hi everyone. Welcome to today's episode. Um, I dunno what episode. It's quite good that we, I'm, I'm losing count of episodes, which is good, but it means I've just got a shitty memory'cause we're not that far into it really? Are we?

Jerry:

two things. We haven't quit and we don't have much going on in our lives.

Matt:

Yeah, it's, it's mainly the, the, the latter, isn't it? We've got, we've got nothing going on. Um, anyway, let's, uh, it worked. I think it worked well last week, so let's try it again. Let's see what's coming up of today's show

Jerry:

That's right.

Matt:

we are not big in Europe.

Jerry:

know better.

Matt:

Yeah.

Jerry:

Hopefully.

Matt:

But welcome South America.

Jerry:

No one in northern England has heard any of these podcasts.

Matt:

Let's be honest. They wouldn't know how. what is your thoughts on people that clap when the plane lands? So it's kind of, they're the least likely people at that very point in time to be in a plane crash. But I've never wanted their people to be in a plane crash more. Well, that all sounds exciting or it sounds, shit we don't, as we said, we don't know at this point. Um, it could be like the worst. We could be putting the worst parts of the show in there, couldn't we? It could just be you crying because you know, your wife doesn't talk to you anymore. I dunno, it could be. Let's see how this, it's like foreshadowing, isn't it Really more than, more than, uh, what's coming up. Um, so just in that little why you were having that little, uh, interlude, we were just discussing of our viewership, uh, and, and we said that we, I think last time we spoke, we had, uh, was it, we said that we had a lot of views in Asia.

Jerry:

We did

Matt:

Um,

Jerry:

in Asia. Yeah.

Matt:

okay, so. So someone listened to it. So we've had some Spotify viewers, uh, but I believe you, you, you are part of the Spotify figures. Uh,

Jerry:

I'm, I'm, I'm pumping those numbers up maybe.

Matt:

yeah. I'm trying to, there was somewhere I could find out where, oh, locations. Here we go. Okay, so we, no, we've got a South America. Hello. Welcome South America. Welcome to the party.

Jerry:

America.

Matt:

Yeah. Wow. I, I, do, you know, if, if I just go to our stats page, we are now disappointing three different continents.

Jerry:

God is good.

Matt:

Yeah. And none of them are Europe at the moment. We are,

Jerry:

They, they

Matt:

we are not big in Europe.

Jerry:

know better.

Matt:

Yeah.

Jerry:

Hopefully.

Matt:

But welcome South America.

Jerry:

No one in northern England has heard any of these podcasts.

Matt:

Let's be honest. They wouldn't know how.

Jerry:

Oh God bless them.

Matt:

Uh,

Jerry:

Yeah.

Matt:

um, but yeah, there's some good news that actually, uh, we can announce that coming in a couple of weeks. We actually have a live podcast coming up

Jerry:

Very exciting in, uh, in the

Matt:

when I say Yeah. Of Liverpool. Yeah. So,

Jerry:

Northern

Matt:

get your tickets now. Yeah, so I'd say get your tickets now. But you can't, it's not that live. It's as in we'll be doing it in person,

Jerry:

right.

Matt:

but uh, what I might do is give out the location so people can come and, uh, stone you to death. It'll make great content, won't it?

Jerry:

really would, it really, it would ramp those figures up, wouldn't it?

Matt:

Yeah, yeah. It will get us those Europe figures that we've been longing for.

Jerry:

think we're that desperate yet where we need that level of content, but never say never.

Matt:

No, we're not gonna do a, um, uh. I can't remember his name. He is the guy that does wrestling. Now, the, the two brothers, one became a boxer, one became a wrestler, and he, he,

Jerry:

Paul

Matt:

yeah. Logan Paul. Yeah. So Logan Paul, when he had some footage of, uh, someone that died in his, in one of his video cast, we're not that that level yet, but.

Jerry:

But you know, again, never say never. He seems to be doing

Matt:

Next year,

Jerry:

Yeah,

Matt:

I think, I think January, January we'll have a bit of slum. So if we kill you in a live podcast, maybe I'll become a wrestler.

Jerry:

there you

Matt:

that's, that's the plan. Yeah. Um, so, so obviously we, we weren't going to the subject just yet. I know we're, we're pushed for time, but obviously I haven't really spoke to you'cause I've been, I was on vacation last week in, uh, I went to Dubai. So we, obviously our podcast came out, but that was prerecorded, like all our podcasts. Um, so when you rang me yesterday, I was like, don't talk to me. This, you know, I don't wanna speak to you. I wanna, I wanna build up our conversation because we might have some, we might actually have some content if we don't speak to each other for, uh, for a week. But yeah, it's,

Jerry:

still

Matt:

what are we in, we're in four, four minutes in and I've run out things to say to you.

Jerry:

exactly. How was Dubai and who did you go with? What? What did you do there?

Matt:

So Dubai is actually a great segue where we're getting really good, we're getting professional now. So it is a great segue into this week's conversation, which is about vacations and travel. Um,'cause obviously they're very different. So, uh, I think we'll just jump in. We'll jump in. So,'cause this kind of comes across or a standard, uh, holiday for a Brit, but um, obviously not to Dubai. But yeah, I went with the family. Um, it's very good. We stayed in a result, but I'll lead into, so a standard, let's go. For the average summer holiday for a Brit is normally, could be anywhere, but normally, let's say to a European beach result, all inclusive. They sit by the result for a week or two, uh, might venture out some trips, maybe they might set some excursions. But really for that two weeks you'll sit on that same sun lounger.'cause you're getting up at six o'clock putting your towel down on that sun lounger.

Jerry:

I

Matt:

fight to get those sun loungers. I, I'm gonna say like, is, is that the thing? You get where you go when you go on holiday. Where would you go on your summer holiday?

Jerry:

Right, right. So I, I, I want to, you know, preface this by saying very different from the Brits, right? It's like I just looked up the figures. Now, 86% of Brits have passports. 50% of Americans or less passports, right? Also, the US is huge. So you've tr you're quite well traveled within the US There's a lot of Americans that just don't leave the us, which I find strange, but. It's big enough where you can pretty much get a little bit of everything. though, the Caribbean, Mexico is normally your go-to for a quick holiday, let's say a week or so.

Matt:

And what's the clientele like on these? Do you have, and I'll get to it doesn't matter. I could go to the remote, remote remotest island. Say they build Hilton, build an all inclusive resort

Jerry:

Right.

Matt:

on the Farrow Islands or somewhere completely remote where I'm gonna go there. But I'm gonna see a northern person there. Any all inclusive holiday I go to. There's someone from the north of England that, I dunno how they get there.

Jerry:

Yeah, yeah,

Matt:

where these planes are coming in from because I normally, some, some of these places just fly from Heathrow and, and the big cities. But yeah, there's always gonna be a northern person. You'd be sitting around the pool and I'd hear that northern accent. So do you have these sort of guaranteed things you're gonna see on these Caribbean holidays? And firstly, can you just say it's, it's Caribbean. Can you just say it correctly for me please?

Jerry:

Uh, Caribbean, of course. Yes. Um, yeah, no, yeah. So you're gonna see people from everywhere, right? Um, you'll definitely find someone from the New York metro area, so that's guaranteed, right? We're probably the biggest travelers. a lot of Canadians love going to the Caribbean as well, so you're definitely gonna see Canadians. Canadians are chill though, so our Northerners Canadians are, are a lot more. Composed than, uh, let's say an a Northerner from the uk

Matt:

I have jobs for a start.

Jerry:

to be fair, to be fair. I, I did recently hear that in

Matt:

Canadians are mostly unemployed. Is that what you're trying to say?

Jerry:

I'm not. I will say, uh, from my understanding, uh, folks in Manny, they're known as the worker bees and they get bee tattoos, if I'm not mistaken.

Matt:

This is not a fact I've ever heard of. Um.

Jerry:

heard this more than once, so I, I gotta, I gotta put some respect on, uh, on the folks from Manchester Liver Pool. Who cares? But, you know,

Matt:

Okay. Yeah, I maybe, maybe fact check that. I dunno if that's true or not. I've never heard of the'cause they,

Jerry:

we should go into this Northern English, but.

Matt:

yeah, but I mean, I've never heard of anyone going, oh, I've got a job. I'm a worker. Well, who else works? Bees. I'm gonna get a tattoo of a bee. Do you know what I mean?

Jerry:

No dude. It's real. It's real. Definitely look.

Matt:

Um, okay. All right. We're moving on from that. Um, okay, so, so yeah. So, uh, do you tend to go for an all-inclusive result when you go away?

Jerry:

Uh, not all the time. So again, I think the shorter the vacation, um, we, we'll do a, uh, an all-inclusive'cause you get, you get kind of tired of it. It's, it's really all the

Matt:

It's the same stuff every day, isn't it? Yeah.

Jerry:

So if, you know, after four days, maybe even three, you're like, all right, I wanna do something else. also travel here is consuming. Right. Getting to the, to the Caribbean might be four or five hours. Right. Getting to California, six hours from, from, from the east coast. Um. So you, you probably tend to do something that has more a la carte options going to Europe, for example, you, you, you're gonna go to just more of a boutique hotel probably than you would in all inclusive location. You know, I feel like in Europe you can get everywhere

Matt:

in, as in an American would go to a boutique hotel. See, that's, I think what's different if, if you were going to Europe, you are gonna go to city breaks, aren't you? Where I think when Europeans, when the Brits go on their European holidays, that's more beach holidays.

Jerry:

Right, 100%.

Matt:

we're going different. So I'm not saying we don't do the cities, but I, I find a lot of my friends that do the city breaks are people that are not originally from the uk and they've moved here and they go, oh, I want to go and see Madrid. I want to go and see Barcelona. I wanna go to Frankfurt. And I think, I've never been to any of these cities. I could maybe not point to them on a map. So

Jerry:

Right.

Matt:

very rare and I'm speaking for the entire nation here. So it's, it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I fact checked it. I've done my check of how many Brits have been to major European cities. It is fine. I mean, we voted to get out of Europe, so I pretty much think I'm, I can say, I'm not saying I did, but I'm saying, you know, as a whole we voted to leave Europe, so

Jerry:

I'm not a.

Matt:

Yeah. Not a racist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jerry:

Again,

Matt:

um.

Jerry:

England. Um, I, I would, um, no, I, I would, I would agree with you. And also even when we go to, um, we, we love beach clubs. Just all over Europe, so south of France, uh, the Amalfi Coast, Spain as well. Fantastic beach clubs. But we normally add a city to the stop. So we might do Rome, Naples for three days, and then the Amalfi Coast, Paris for three, four days. Then we go to the south of France. We don't just go straight to the beach,

Matt:

Yeah, I suppose we're looking at different angles. You are thinking it's sightseeing, you are, this is

Jerry:

correct.

Matt:

territory. You wanna go and view it where we are thinking we just wanna get somewhere and lay down and get drunk for two weeks. Yeah. I say two weeks, it's a week. The two week holidays.

Jerry:

holiday vacation. The Americans go on trips,

Matt:

Yeah. And then, uh, I would say how long would do a vacation be? But if you were going, so if you were going to Mexico for the summer, how long would you go for a week? Couple of days.

Jerry:

maybe

Matt:

Two weeks.

Jerry:

Yeah. Historically we don't, we don't really travel out for too many days.

Matt:

Yeah. So we do, we do the sort of the week, but like we'd go for a week, like, and maybe that's'cause it comes from the sort of package deals would be a week. So you go for the week or two weeks? The two weeks. Very rare. I, I don't see many people now go for the two weeks thing. I think it's just more sort of cost of living and,

Jerry:

Yeah.

Matt:

people are busier, but, um, but even in this world where. You can book your flights separately and all that, and you can book it. I could go on a Monday, come back on a Friday. People still just tenderly go for a week. It's just, it's like industrial, it's like built into us now that, you know, we'll go Saturday to Saturday. I mean, I, I, I did eight days only because I lost a day traveling. So I thought, well, okay, well I'll just add an extra day on. And then come back. So I had seven days on holiday.

Jerry:

How are

Matt:

the thing we called it holiday, you called it vacation. And when I say to, and I've had this, when I've spoken to American friends and said, oh, I've just got back from the holiday. And they're like, there was no holiday this weekend. I was like, I mean, yes, but surely you understand. Sure. I know that's not what you call it, but you know, I'm not, so when you're saying I'll just get up on the sidewalk, I'm not thinking. What the, what the hell is a sidewalk? What is he talking about? You know, I, I understand because I'm a functioning human being

Jerry:

yes.

Matt:

can understand.

Jerry:

clues.

Matt:

Yes, yes.

Jerry:

Yeah. Yeah. You've had a

Matt:

So that's

Jerry:

before.

Matt:

exactly from another country. So I understand. Yeah,

Jerry:

Yeah. No,

Matt:

I understand that. What you call.

Jerry:

that's a big issue with Americans, right? Just in, in a, in a regular sense, Prairie Beach. But I gotta ask around work. do you tell your job when you're going on holiday? Are you available? Are you not available?

Matt:

Fuck you all see you in two weeks. I've only gone for a week. Um, no, no. I, I'm not available. It's my out of office goes on. I, I turn off my outlook and everything so no one can contact me for a week. It's'cause this is my time. They're not paying for me for it. So, I mean, any problems they've got that's with them and God, I, I see it.

Jerry:

How about if they don't believe in God, Matt,

Matt:

Uh, well then that's, then, then they're screwed. So

Jerry:

They're in

Matt:

yeah. They're in trouble. Yeah.

Jerry:

um, so, so you just came back. I'm traveling today. I'm headed to Dominican Republic, uh, for a wedding. My out of office is not on, so I'm completely available. I've told my entire team, you can text me, you can teams me, email me, call me on WhatsApp. If you can't get me on service, I'll have WhatsApp available. So that is a huge difference. We are 100% available all the time.

Matt:

Is it because this come stemming from issues where you just want to be liked.

Jerry:

Uh, I don't know. I think it's just culturally, it's,

Matt:

Is that, and is that, is that because,

Jerry:

ladder, my, my bosses were always available.

Matt:

but is that because you are, you are quite high up your ladder? You have to, but if I was, uh, if you were lower down the ladder, would you have expected This is my two weeks. See you later.

Jerry:

Perhaps, uh, even, even when I was just, you know, your, your lowly analyst, I was probably still available.

Matt:

So is it frowned upon to put you out of office on then?

Jerry:

Uh, one says it out loud.

Matt:

Okay.

Jerry:

an unspoken

Matt:

So if, if, and if you did put your out of office on, would someone mention it to you when you got back?

Jerry:

They wouldn't mention it, but it's like. A snide here and there.

Matt:

Okay. Yeah, that's a different, that's definitely a different way of working.

Jerry:

Yeah.

Matt:

But you work with, you have offices in different countries, so, but they, they work through their cultural. I suppose different, different employ we've done that. If you, and you would like to go back to our, go back to our employment episode, a little spin back to that if you wanna hear about how employment works in different countries. But um, yeah, I suppose they go to their culture, didn't they? But that's very interesting. I didn't know that. So are you,

Jerry:

and they're very relaxed when it comes to vacations.

Matt:

so how often will you be checking your phone when you're on vacation? Like your emails? So.

Jerry:

Once an hour probably

Matt:

Okay.

Jerry:

my

Matt:

annoying.

Jerry:

to be fair, my notifications won't be off. I'll

Matt:

Okay.

Jerry:

notifications

Matt:

I, I did that. I, I turned off, I turned off notifications. I think one day I went in and checked my email just'cause I thought it's been a couple of days. Check that, you know, it's mainly check. I haven't had an email from HR saying they found something and I'm fired. That's all I need to check. You know, it's, it's, it's been a long time. People do some investigating, you know, around my computer and all that while I'm not there. I thought I better just check. I've still got a job to come back to. That's all I worried about. Anything else. Shit, you know, that shit freak with that. Okay. So, so you go away out of office on, off, um, different period of time when you get back. So it's first day back in the office. Are you just straight back in it at nine o'clock like nothing's happened or do you need a good day to get back into it?

Jerry:

Yeah, so I, I, I'd like to have a good day to get back into it, so I'm still working, just working from home. I won't go into the office the next day just so we can sort of

Matt:

See, I. I think my first day back in the office, don't ask me to do anything. That's really me walking around telling people about my holiday. I,

Jerry:

Right.

Matt:

I'm not planning on getting any work done in that time. I'll brag at that point, just saying, uh, the same things like, you know, oh, not, you're not used to this weather.

Jerry:

Right. I I

Matt:

Oh, I'd be having buffet lunch about this time.

Jerry:

in terms of attire you're, um, as you're vacationing or on holiday, has there ever been a point, and, and obviously there are stereotypes that Americans have of Europeans, has there ever been a point, Matt, in your life where you wore a Speedo on the beach?

Matt:

I don't believe so.

Jerry:

EE the fact that there's even the possibility that you did,

Matt:

Yeah. I, I have to, well, that's'cause I know I, that's because that's'cause I know I own a Speedo, but if,

Jerry:

what led you to

Matt:

have I worn it? I've never worn it on holiday. I've never worn it on a holiday. But I'm just trying to think. I didn't actually remember seeing many Speedos on holiday.

Jerry:

where? Where

Matt:

is a holiday that when I came to visit you on holiday, but you were asleep.

Jerry:

the local bathhouse?

Matt:

Yeah. Um, I don't recall actually seeing any Speedos when I was on the holiday or being on holiday, so I think it's a myth. Um, like there's always that myth that Europeans have a lot of nudist beaches.

Jerry:

Yeah.

Matt:

again, again, not true. I think the only time I've come across a nudist beach, I was on a holiday when I was, we were canoeing around different islands of Croatia. You know, sometimes we'd be a canoe in good couple of hours to get to the next island. Then a ship would bring all our baggage to the next one. And with tides and all that, you can't always decide where you're gonna land. And the guy said, look, we're gonna land on a nudist beach. So I was getting a bit excited by this. But all, all that happened was there was a angry 6-year-old naked German man standing up shouting at us because we just landed 12 canoes on the beach. And it just with his tod just flapping about in the sun. And that's must my only exposure to a, uh, new speech. It wasn't that exciting. Probably do it again, but it's not, that's it. So

Jerry:

Yeah,

Matt:

it's not what people say.

Jerry:

have many here. We have a couple, but it's very rare,

Matt:

Um, just going back to, so these all inclusives and I take it, they're the same deal, obviously they are. But uh, where you have like the buffet, lunch, dinner, breakfast things, what's your attitude on a plate? Now? Normally on these things you can get 10 different cuisines from around the world at other buffet'cause they like to cater for everyone. Do you make a meal or do you just have a little bit of everything on your plate?

Jerry:

That is a good question. So now that I'm older, I'm an old man. I, uh, I actually have a very light breakfast. I, I find when I have a very heavy breakfast, the rest of the day kind of goes to shit. Um, so I'll probably just have something different every day, but just a, a small amount. Um, also in your all inclusives, do you have formal sit down restaurants available that you can make reservations for?

Matt:

Yes. It depends on the, some of them they allow you to do that and it's just first come, first, serve some, allow. You allowed to go to one a week. The one I just went to, you could go there to, but you had to pay extra

Jerry:

Okay.

Matt:

'cause we were off traveling to different places. We're like, well, no, we're eat at those restaurants when we're out in Dubai, et cetera. Different restaurants, so. I just literally, when I was in the hotel, did the buffet restaurant and it was like, I'd have a mixture of rice chips. There might be spaghetti on the plate. Oh look, there's a hot dog. I chucked that on the plate. It was, it was not a cuisine that would be proud of, but it's, I didn't have that self-control. The one day when I thought, do you know what? I'm actually gonna make a nice salad. Made a nice salad, had some duck breast on it, and then I walked past some hot dogs and had some hot dogs after. So it just, it goes out the windows, isn't it?

Jerry:

a good hotdog man.

Matt:

I do like a hot duck. Yeah. Another question I have, which I first experienced it traveling in America, what is your thoughts on people that clap when the plane lands?

Jerry:

I grew up with a family that claps. So this is a

Matt:

Okay.

Jerry:

yeah, so this is a very American, uh, thing. Also, the, the, the folks, the Hispanics, Latinos also clap. So if you ever land in Brazil, Dominican Republic, Mexico, they're clapping as well. And I don't do it anymore, I don't get mad at people for being happy that they're not dead. So it's, uh, you know, I can't be, I can't be too upset about it. Like, what am I gonna. Stop

Matt:

Yeah. I see. But at the same time, you're not clapping that when a train gets to a station, you're not clapping when your bus arrives, are you So.

Jerry:

right, right. Again, it's just that so many people have a fear of flying. Do you have any fears

Matt:

Also, no, no, because I'm a rational human being. I understand that, that planes are quite a safe mean of travel. And probably when you're getting on a plane, that's probably safer when you'll get

Jerry:

Matt, you.

Matt:

No, no, but probably the plane is probably safer journey than the bus journey.

Jerry:

Yeah. Yeah.

Matt:

And I'm not clapping on the bus. I mean, as we've discussed in other podcasts, I'll take a shit on that bus, but I'm not, I'm not clapping on that bus. Um, see, I come from a different thought. I, when people clap when it lands, I. These, and it is kind of a paradox. These people are clapping'cause they've just survived, not crashing in a plane. But also these are the people that I've never wanted to be in a plane crash more, more than ever because they clap. So it's kind of, they're the least likely people at that very point in time to be in a plane crash. But I've never wanted their people to be in a plane crash more.

Jerry:

I hear, but you're, you're on the plane as well, kind of a, are you willing to

Matt:

See, how else am I get?

Jerry:

betterment of the world?

Matt:

Well, firstly, how else am I hearing these people clap if I'm not on the plane?

Jerry:

That's true.

Matt:

And sec. Secondly, yes, there are times when I've been in situations where I've thought if a serious accident happens. An instant happens. Uh, and it could be at a football match or something like this. The good it will do instead, the total population taking out these people is better than my sacrifice itself. And that could be just a load of football hooligans'cause I think Oh, or, or things like that. So, yeah, I would take my sacrifice for, for these, for these, if the, if it lessened the world of 200 people that clap on a plane, land's worth it.

Jerry:

Right. What, what does wanted to ask you, what does the, a domestic. look like for you. So you and the wife are like, oh, it looks like in two weeks we have three days where we can go somewhere. What, what? Where

Matt:

Yeah, we're probably, okay. So first of all, people started to call them staycations, and I fucking hate it. It's not a staycation. It used to be the staycation. Honestly, right. If you go back five years ago, staycation meant you took some time off work and you stayed at home for the week. That was the actual mean of staycation. That makes sense for people. Now it's, well, I just stayed in the country. Well, no, that's not a staycation. You went on holiday. So we have, for instance, we have a chain of, uh, holiday parks called Center Parks or Butland and things like this. Either like. Village you go to and they have swimming pools, activities. If I was going to these, I wouldn't say I'm having a staycation. I'd say I'm gonna center parks or butlins for the weekend. So what does it matter? If I go to a week in the Cotswold, I wouldn't say I'm having a staycation because I'm not staying at home. It's just, ugh. So that annoys me. First of all, let's get that out there.

Jerry:

it's still a vacation. You're just being a cheap fuck about it. I get it.

Matt:

Yeah, exactly that. Yeah. Or I'm not getting on a plane. Yeah. Um, so yeah, normally, normally would be driving somewhere because obviously the size of the UK wouldn't need to fly there. I'm not, if I was going to, uh, Edinburgh, uh, there's more chance I'm gonna drive up there if it was for a week.'cause all the stuff I've gotta take, I'm not gonna fly up there. Um, but yeah, that could be for a varied time. It could be for a couple of days, for a weekend, for a week, maybe down to Cornwall. Wherever. It all depends. We've got so many different places we can go to in the UK, obviously. Um, but yeah, just let's not call a staycation. Let's not go down that route.

Jerry:

right, right.

Matt:

What about yourself? If you, obviously a domestic holiday to you though could involve a six hour flight to California.

Jerry:

Exactly.

Matt:

that as a domestic holiday?

Jerry:

I wouldn't, I mean, yes, it's still domestic, obviously, but I, I wouldn't,

Matt:

You're going through domestic flights? Yeah.

Jerry:

Yeah, I wouldn't consider it a staycation if it's that far.

Matt:

Where'd you go on your staycation? Hawaii?

Jerry:

exactly. Yeah. I would, um, I, I, I think if it's less than three hours or so, or four hours on a flight. Somewhere I would consider it a staycation. So if I'm going to Miami, for example, from New York, if I'm going to the Jersey Shore in the summer, again, it really depends on the season as well. Um, I, I would consider it a staycation

Matt:

I would say if you're staying in state, it's staycation, but if you leave the state, then you can change the word.

Jerry:

yeah, exactly.

Matt:

I know, I know obviously some parts of New York are closer than parts of Jersey, but still, I would say that if you were, if you were leaving the state, like if you went to South Carolina for a week, ah, you can't be calling that staycation.

Jerry:

yeah, exactly. Also, who the hell would go to South Carolina? But you know, if you, if you were

Matt:

I just, I've gotta get outta a map arrest of just crossing off states that we were, we were offended, and let's, let's hope we can get to all of them. Done.

Jerry:

yeah. We're already

Matt:

Yeah.

Jerry:

with England, so.

Matt:

Yeah. What about the North Carolinas? What do you think of them?

Jerry:

Oh, Charlotte's a good city. Fair. Fair.

Matt:

Should they just combine the Carolinas and just have a Carolina now?

Jerry:

You know, Matt, they, they had this argument over a hundred years ago, and that's how they ended up with North and South Carolina.

Matt:

A lot of times passed. Now let's just have one. Carolina.

Jerry:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Matt:

Yeah. I think time's passed. Now let's just have a, let's just have one Carolina. Okay.

Jerry:

To be fair, they all root for the same sports teams, both Carolinas. It's a very similar atmosphere.

Matt:

I'll just root for different players, but,

Jerry:

yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Matt:

okay. Well that's, uh, at least we've learned some history. I didn't realize that the, uh, Carolinas actually were joined and got divided in a, in, in the, uh, American in, well, American Civil War, I imagine.

Jerry:

I don't know the exact time, which is gonna sound terrible. I'm sure we can look it up. Jamie, can you get us the No, but I'm sure that we can

Matt:

Yeah.

Jerry:

the, uh, the information somewhere. Not that anybody cares. Uh, I did have one last question'cause I know we're sort of, uh, we're coming up on time here. How do you feel about traveling with children?

Matt:

My own, yes. If it's other children, why am I traveling with'em? Who are they? What am I doing?

Jerry:

That's a crime.

Matt:

I think that's, I think if it's other, yeah, it's trafficking. That's called trafficking. If it's your own children, it's traveling. If it's other children, it's called trafficking. Okay. There's a little, there's a segment for us. Um, it's, it's not fun. Um, I mean, I've been in the long car journeys, five, six hours. We been 10 minutes in and it's like, oh, we're nearly there yet, et cetera. This flight wasn't too bad. But yeah, it's, as I did say, actually I did say at one point the. Uh, getting through security, so the, the airport to security with the kids and all that. And we had to go through a different one.'cause we had a, a, a car seat. It probably took about an hour when I traveled in the summer to come and visit you. I think from getting to the airport to security, it was about 10 minutes. Where this, you know, it's just that different lifestyle, you know. Then I was straight in a bar to have a drink. This time I'm like, I've gotta go and get the kids some food and all that. So it is just different experiences, isn't it? And I could just sit and watch my. iPad on the flight out there this time, I was like, what do you want? You've got, you've got a screen. Why are you bugging me? Leave me alone.

Jerry:

Yeah,

Matt:

um,

Jerry:

The, the

Matt:

yeah,

Jerry:

heavily decreases, when you're traveling with kids.

Matt:

yeah, I, oh, I didn't, so, yeah, so I think we're, we're finished on a story. Uh, I, I, one story from my holiday, but, um. Yes, that's the thing. You drink less obviously when you're traveling with kids. Especially when you're driving. I find, it's when I'm driving. I, I drink nothing now. Yeah. Um, so when I, I, one of the nights when I did have a few, uh, alcohols, beverage, alcoholic beverages, there was a stool in the hotel and obviously stuff in the hotel's a bit more pricey. And it was sending these, I haven't got it with me, I've left it at work, but it's a little apostle of sand. They put different layers of sand in it and they can draw a logo on it. So I got it to make me one up. Because I had a few drinks. I didn't, couldn't do the conversion rate correctly and I did it the wrong way and I thought I paid very little for it. It's only as I walked away that I was told, you know, you've just paid 50 pounds, 50 English pounds for this tiny bottle of sand. I was fuming abs the guy packed up, that was him done for the night. He's,

Jerry:

Yeah.

Matt:

he's, he's done, he's take, he's taken the family and the kids on holiday now. I think it's like.

Jerry:

back home to his family and said, this idiot.

Matt:

Yeah, we're eating tonight, everyone. Let's go. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's the, uh, don't drink and buy stuff is my, uh, my takeaway from that holiday.

Jerry:

love my children. But it becomes just more than double the price when you're traveling. It's, it's, it's not just their flights, it's everything that you buy or have to bring extra

Matt:

I mean, you can get on, as you said, you can get on with a book bag when you go alone, can't you? But it's just, yeah, it's,

Jerry:

They just, they

Matt:

I'm not against.

Jerry:

car seats, like you mentioned.

Matt:

Okay. And I'll, I'll leave you with this question now. You can say yes or no and you can be honest.'cause let's be honest. A chance to say, wife's not gonna hear this, but um, you've booked a holiday to Cancun Little, the four of you do you pay for yourself to go business class? And then when you get to the gate, just say, oh, they must have accidentally upgraded me'cause I'm a frequent traveler.

Jerry:

That is

Matt:

And leave her in

Jerry:

Yes,

Matt:

leave her in economy with the kids. And to say, I didn't realize,

Jerry:

Yeah, yeah, that has happened often where I've, I've been given the option'cause I travel for work to, uh, to get

Matt:

yeah.

Jerry:

every

Matt:

Have you ever taken it?

Jerry:

I have it. No, every time I do offer it to my wife though, if she wants to do it, if she, she can go ahead. Uh, but she never does, she's never taken me up on the offer.

Matt:

Okay. It's, it's something I haven't done, but it's something I've considered. Put it that way, but then I'm worried, then I'll just get a kid walking into business.

Jerry:

me what happens. I'm not gonna be the Guinea

Matt:

Yeah. That seems, that seems to be a lot of scenarios in our life. You always say, can you try it first? But, um.

Jerry:

Yeah. trust you.

Matt:

Okay, well I think we've come to the end of this because I know we've got things to do. I'm not sure we've had anything useful for our listeners that can tell'em about vacations, but, um, maybe we've, we've told us some stuff they shouldn't do.

Jerry:

Yeah, I'm sure there's some nuggets in there.

Matt:

Yeah, I just wanna check, we've covered it all. We've covered, um, how I'd rather dine a plane crash and bring up many people so they don't clap, uh, trafficking children on holiday. And, uh, I think that's it, isn't it?

Jerry:

Yeah. That, that's pretty much it. And uh, and being a cheap skate and staying local.

Matt:

That's it. Okay. And we've offended the northern as usual. Okay. Alright. I'll catch you next week. Perfect.