Atlantic Exchange

Etiquette

• Matt.peckover • Season 1 • Episode 7

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British vs. American Etiquette: Tea, Small Talk, and Politeness Showdown

Join Matt and Jerry in this hilarious and insightful episode of Atlantic Exchange as they dive into the quirky differences between British and American etiquette. From the unspoken law of not speaking to anyone on the London tube, to the American obsession with small talk on the subway, this episode covers it all. Tune in to hear their take on tea-making disasters, the irony-laden British humor, and why saying 'make yourself at home' shouldn't always be taken literally. Plus, find out why Matt insists Brits are better at self-deprecating humor and why Jerry believes American patriotism is unmatched. Don't miss the laughs, the mockery, and the revelations about cultural norms that might just blow your mind!

00:00 Welcome and Introduction

00:39 Catching Up: Personal Updates

01:40 British and American Etiquette

02:07 Tea vs. Coffee Debate

05:10 Politeness and Stereotypes

12:53 Punctuality and Table Manners

14:11 Small Talk and Public Behavior

15:01 Awkward Train Encounters

15:14 Breaking UK Stereotypes

15:35 American Directness and Positivity

15:51 Tipping Culture and Informality

16:34 Hospitality and Making Yourself at Home

18:31 Patriotism and National Anthems

23:31 British Etiquette and Implications

27:35 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans



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good afternoon. Good morning, wherever you are in the world. Uh, welcome to Atlantic Exchange. Here's what's coming up today. If you talk to someone on the tube, you're suspicious and you'll be reported to the police. You, in the uk you, you are head down headphones on. You do not speak to anyone on the tube. It's, it's like a law. I can imagine being in a public bathroom. They start playing the American, the American Anthem. Yes. And then people on the stools would just stand up mid shit and just absolutely put a hand on their chest. Absolutely. Well, that all sounds good. Um, maybe better than last week. Yeah. Right. So first of all, let's just catch up before we jump in. Absolutely. I like to, I like to foreplay you. How are you doing, Jerry? How's, how's your working? You know, I appreciate a good foreplay. It has been fantastic. Uh, just came back from a wedding in the Dominican Republic, which was lovely. Um, got some sun, got some beach action, which was great. Uh, just some time alone with the wife and I, and, uh, we're back home. How about yourself, Matt? Um, I bought some new Christmas lights. Very nice. Very nice. Didn't go to any wedding. We, we should, maybe we should do a wedding episode one one week. Uh oh, that would be great. UK versus US wedding. Yeah, that's a good, yeah, we'll put that on that. We'll put that on the list. Um, yeah, no, my, my week's been okay, as you know. Uh, I've got you, you coming over to join me. That's right. Uh, what, two days time? So just prepping for that. We've got a little trip planned. Um, not much really work and family, but yeah, just looking, rolling on the weekend is all I say. That's right. That's right. Let's, uh, let's get started here. We have an incredible topic, probably, hopefully a fan paper. Yeah, I mean, I think that small talks, I mean that small talk is a good segue into it is today we're gonna talk about etiquette and, and stereotypes of etiquette as well.'cause obviously some are just miscon conceived. Um, so yes, obviously there's a lot of things that you think about the British that we, we like doing and that we do. Um, same about Americans. Um, so let, let's start with the British obviously. Because we're number one. Um, so the first one is that we love tea. Now it's, it's, I think it's a misconception. I do love tea. I have at least three, four cups soon as I've woken up. But yeah, I, you're not really helping the misconception, but I'm listening. No, I'm part of the problem. Not cool. Jerry, I 40 a day. Yeah. Yeah. I'm part of the problem, not the cool Jerry. Yeah. You know that about every single subject we have. Um, but I would say it's a 50 50 split over here. I think. I think coffee with a, with a growth of Starbucks and Costa Coffee now is kind of a 50 50 split. If I go around the office and do a poll, first of all, people say, oh. Shut the fuck up. Whatcha you doing? Yeah, exactly. We're just trying to have a drink, but also I think they would go, it is a 50 50 where I think, what do you think the split of Tea to Coffee is in America? Oh, it's like 80 20 coffee and, and that might be a conservative figure. We're we're, we're heavy coffee drinkers also, you dunno how to make a cup of tea. I mean, I've had tea over there and it's. I have, I mean, I You didn't think, I can't, you can't get it that wrong. It's a tea bag, hot water, bit of milk. It's not that hard. But yet I have seen some Yeah, you've, yeah. Extremities. I, I, I sent you a video of me making a cup of tea. Yeah. Yep, yep. In the microwave. Yeah. Yeah. Just it shattered yourself. So did it question you, this question of friendship with us? It made me question, um, your mental state more than our friendship, but. So I suppose you obviously sent that as a parody and there's videos going around, but are there people that would make a cup of tea in a microwave formally? Yes, absolutely. They just need the water to be hot and the tea bag to go inside. And that's because you don't have a kettle, is that correct? Correct. Yeah. It's, I mean we do, we have one here'cause we drink tea often in this house. Right. Um, but most American households just, just don't have a kettle. But they have guns. Do have guns. Yes. Multiple. They might have guns. Zero kettles. Yeah. Priorities, Matt? Well, there's nothing in the, there's nothing in the constitution that you have to have boiled water at any point in your life is there. Exactly. It's really not necessary. No. Um, yeah, I think that that annoys me. Uh, and it's, if I go somewhere in America, I ask for tea, they'd bring me just a wa hot water tea bag on the side. Obviously the, the tea bag has to go in straight away.'cause it's got, it's gotta hit the boiling water. Yeah. So this time it's already dropped 10 degrees. That annoys me. Then I have to ask for milk. Sometimes they bring cream and at this point I've just, I've just given up right now. Right. It's just, yeah, I, I know that. Do you drink, do you drink coffee? Do you drink any coffee at all? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I could drink, uh, I don't mind a latte. And so I think now it's, when I come to the states, I, I, I tend to drink a latte'cause I know that that's pretty universal across the world. Right. I know what I'm gonna get, but I would always prefer a tea. I have that addiction to a tea. Yeah. Not where a coffee. It's just if I need a hot drink, yeah. I, um, I'm certainly addicted to coffee, no way around it. If I don't have it by around nine 30 ish, I'm starting to get a headache. So it's a proper addiction. Get punchy, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Feel for your, feel for your family. Yeah. Um. Okay. The next one would be that we're polite and we take politeness to the extreme, and we apologize for anything. What's your thoughts of, you know, you've, you've mixed with many British, I I, I don't know if it's a matter of politeness. We have a phrase here. Um, and, and, and it's called being mean. Nice and nice mean. So I find many Brits to be nice means, stop me if I'm wrong, where um, they don't outright say if something is terrible, they'll just say, well, that's interesting. You know, so there, there, it's, there's still some sarcasm in there. They're just not straight to your face about it. Yeah. That's a different way of looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, or let's say that you're stuck on the side of the road. Right. A Brit will drive by and say, oh, that's really terrible. Best of luck. Right. Versus I guess in the New York. No, no, no. We'd say we was, I must, I must interject. Oh, please. We would say you can't park there. You, you can't park there. You can't park there. The car could be upside down on its roof. Some of the occupants could be dead. The car could be on fire and we will pull up beside and go, you can't park there. Can't park there. Come on, man. And just drive off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Versus I feel like in the, in the, the, I'm from Jersey, the Jersey, New York area. If we see somebody on the side of the road, we'll say, look at this asshole over here. Come on, let me help you out. I think there's a, that's what I mean by nice mean, mean nice. What do you, what do you think? Am I off here? Cool. And also, and then you help me out, correct? Yes. Look at this jerk off wasting my time. Now I'm gonna be late. You know? But you still gotta help them out. No. See, the thing is, we could be stuck on a motorway five hour queue because there's a, there's a car stuck in a lane. Right? And when we get to the front of that queue and we get past, then we go, right, fuck, we're out. You think if I got out that car, push that car, it'd take two minutes outta my time. It'd free up thousands of other cars. Yes. Yes. Now I'm like, when I'm passing it now, fuck him. Fuck him. What? What's that? Gotta do with me? Yeah. Yeah, that's, it's not my problem anymore. I'm free. I'm free from this. I'm past it. Um, yeah, I think there is a thing that we say Sorry a lot. Yes. Oh goodness. And I'm sorry about that. What can I say? Yeah, yeah. What, what, what is with the, uh, with the consistent apologies from, from the Brits, it's called being polite. Jerry. Is that what it is? Oh, I'm not a fan of it. Yeah. Have you ever considered just saying, get the fuck outta my way or something within that realm? The only time when any Brit becomes a different person is when inside the safety of their car, and then they are swearing and calling everyone under the sun. So, you know, this is, you could have someone and they're literally taking five seconds to move at a green light and you're going, you are. Eddie Expletive is, is free for all. So this is the ion right here. So essentially, Brits are Americans when in the privacy of their own car or home. To some degree. Yeah, to some degree, yes. Right. But once you're in public, there's a level of composure. Yeah. We, you know, we wouldn't wanna be known as American in public, is that we're just happy being, being private. You know, I've got, that's, that's just plane. I'm expressing, I'm expressing my southern views in the car. And then as soon as I got that car, it's, oh, hello, sir. Yeah. I'm really sorry. Completely there. It now Qing. Now there's this thing that we like to cue that's, oh goodness, why again, but what do you mean why? I just don't understand it? Give an example where we cue everywhere. The bathroom for a cup of coffee, a cup of tea. What I do gonna the newest, the newest croissant in, in, in a bakery. Okay, so queing for the bathroom. The toilet, yeah. What am I gonna do? There's, there's other people waiting. I'm just gonna push in. We, we talked about this, if, if anyone's ever listened, uh, to any of our prior episodes, the ba the answer is no. The bathroom. The bathroom is what you make it. And yeah, we haven't done our bathroom episode yet. That's interesting. That's a good one. No, but um, yeah, I mean, you've, you've got to wait your turn, you queue, right? So, I mean, I've, the I thing that's annoying me is the only time we don't queue. Is in bars, you line along a bar and it's kind of a, it's like a free for all. It's Russian ette, right? I hate it when I go in a bar and I've seen people are actually queue it, it's kind of a younger generation actually form a queue at the bar and wait for the barman to, to call someone forward. No, no, no, no. That's not how a bar works. You, you, you wait. And then that's down to the, this is a fully trained expert behind the bar and he's obviously registered Rainman style, who is in which order, and he should be able to, to pick them out. Yeah. But yeah, it's, and it takes away doing, it takes away from the bar patron trying to get the bartenders, uh. Sort of, sort of wave their hand and, and get their attention. Right. And, and you get that feeling of, I I need to assert dominance in order, in order to drink. Yeah. And also this isn't gonna work for you. Nonsense going in your mind. This is where whoever tips high is gonna get served quicker. That's right. You've got a whole hierarchy going haven. You do. If you had a Q system, it's just, that takes away that, that need to tip high, doesn't it? Absolutely. So, just too bad for poor people. What are you gonna do? You know, it's. You got, you got a queue. To be fair. Poor people are in line. That's just, that's just what it is. No. Now the next one. The next one I think. I think this is written by an American, uh, that we talk about the weather and we don't talk about the weather. Our weather's pretty much shit 80% of the time. That is true. So why we talk about that? That's true. I've never, I've never been to the UK and someone brought up the weather. We know what it is. It's cloudy. Next question, right? Yeah. Like, it's just not, it's not a real, it's not a real thing. I agree with you a hundred percent. I used to also think that by the way, that you guys were obsessed with the weather, when in fact you try to get it out of your head as much as possible. It's, it's, it's, it's pretty much gonna be between, for se, six, seven months, a year, 20 degrees. We've got two weeks of the year where it might be 30 degrees, and then for about two months it'd probably be freezing. Yeah, there you go. That's the weather done. Move on. Um, that we, we under, we understate stuff, so we might say things not bad when we mean it's good. Like if you gave me, if you made me a nice meal and I go, that's not bad. That's quite nice. It's, it's not that I'm being understated, it's more the fact that it might just just be what it is. It's not bad, it's not amazing, but it's, it's not bad. So I don't believe that one. Apparently. Irony is one that we are, we like iron, but I get that it's our humor. Yes. We have better humor. That is an outrageous statement. Sweet Jesus. Did you say better humor? Yes, of course we are. Yeah. Um, better is self-deprecating humor. Self-deprecating? Absolutely. And we invented that. I think that was. Come from us. And I think that's some of the best humor. And I, I think the American humor you are enjoying has come from a spinoff of that. So if we go back to the office, I wouldn't say that that's just'cause it's a spinoff of a UK show, that style of humor, that self deprecating, even things like Kirby Enthusiasm. Yes. Where it's kind of that you kind of, it's a anti sort of hero joke. It's all come from us. So I think that's what America, fuck yourself America in general is that, to be fair, I think it's essentially just taking, uh, information and customs from other cultures and enhancing them, and I will die on that hill. I know you are not a fan of that statement. I could see it in your face. Are you gonna respond to me in a British way and say, that's interesting. That's an interesting way, that's an interesting way of looking at it, Joey. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of saying, go fuck yourself, Joey, as I look at this list, I mean it's uh, whoever made this list, they can, I dunno, because the next one is table manners. We don't eat like animals. Everyone has table manners. I mean, I dunno what we're comparing this to, but I would agree that's, uh, I, I think that there are some, I think that there are some differences though. So the Brits are super punctual. I will say that in comparison to Americans, see that is actually on a punctuality is on there. That's so being a few minutes late is actually frowned upon in the uk. So. You know, if I was two to three minutes late, I'm late. I mean, in some, in some countries, like, uh, some countries in Asia, if you're 30 seconds late Yeah. Or if you're on time, you're late. But so what's, what's on time in America, on time in America is essentially we're alive and we're there. Right. For example, even this podcast, I was 15 minutes late. Right to you, you're on time. That stereotype held. Yeah. Really the first 15 minutes should have been you sitting in silence Exactly. Mumbling, being polite, swearing about you. And then as soon as you joined being absolutely two face and polite to you going, it is fine. It's fine. That's absolutely not a problem. I'm really upset that you're not drinking a cup of tea. As we're having this conversation just to drive the point home. I've just got water there. You, sorry about that. Yeah. Um, a pub etiquette that we buy in rounds, but surely you buy in rounds. Of course, don't you? That's not, that's, I mean, we've, we've been out, I've been out with your friends. You've been out with my friends. We're. Everyone catches around. Okay, well let's move on to you lot your people. That's right. Can, can I don't, I don't mean your people. I mean your people. Of course. Your people. Your people, of course. Um, uh, so friendliness and small talk. You are very outgoing, so, yeah. So you would, would you chat to someone on the subway? I mean, yeah. Why not? Who cares? No, that's, that's terrorist. Uh, sort of land there. You calling me. You do not talk to anyone. Somebody makes a conversation with you on the train. If you talk to someone on the tube, you're suspicious and you're being reported to the police. You, in the uk you, you are head down headphones on. You do not speak to anyone on the tube. It's, it's like a law. I don't know. I mean, on the subway, if. Someone's chatting with you, it's gonna happen. It's just so common. There's entertainment on the subway. Uh, there's just so much. It's like a, it's like a, a form of entertainment all in its own being in the subway, it is an A to B. It's an A to B for us. Yeah, it's, there's no entertainment. I mean, and there's nothing worse when you get a bus go and they come on the train. They get on your train. That's definitely there. My, my, my. Eyes at my feet. I'm not looking up at all. Yeah, it's, I think, I think it would be good content if when I go to the uk, um, I'm essentially breaking all of these UK stereotypes and norms and just start chatting with people on the tube and just sort of get their reaction. It is, but then I haven't got time to go down to the police station to bail you out. I just, I don't have that in my diary, I'm afraid. Jeremy, just move on. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So directness, so Americans are very straightforward and confident. Very much so. I mean, yeah, that's anyone that knows, you knows that's true. Yeah. Yeah. No way around that. Enthusiasm, positivity. You're very enthusiastic about everything We are. That's true. We we're, and even the air, air culture, when you're here, you don't, you don't get that difference that, that the sweet smell of freedom. That's why the rock always takes that big whiff, you know? Is that what that's for? I just thought he let one go before he walked out The grid of position. Uh, in informality. So is this true? So it says here, using first names quickly, even with bosses. I mean, I don't call my boss by his last name, so that's cool. Yeah, so I, I, I, I think maybe that, that one's a bit older. Um, e even even in the states, folks would use, uh, last names, but now everyone's calling you first name or asshole or dickhead or something within that realm. Uh, okay. Hospitality, inviting guests over, that's obviously you do that and the make yourself at home. Now, I don't think that's an American thing. I hear that all around the world. But when you say make yourself a home, how much at home can I make myself keep your pants on? Right. So I think that's fair. Okay. Yeah. Keep your pants on so then you're lying. You're lying. You. Uh, or, or try it out. Go to someone's home that says, make yourself at home and take your pants off. Right? What I would suggest is take your shoes off like you normally would have a drink. I think it's just relax. You know, a lot of times we go somewhere new and we're a bit uptight. We want to sort of check out the space. It's just a, just a form of making sure your guest feels welcomed. But then if I wanna just help myself to a drink, would that be weird? I think if you came here once for the first time, it would be weird. You've been, you've been over a couple times already, but No, but you, if you've said it's first time over, you said make yourself at home. I go into the kitchen, open a fridge, there's a can of Coke in there. I get a Coke, open it. I stop making myself a sandwich. Right, right. I would, I'm making myself at home, but that's a great example. I would, I would usher my kids upstairs and then I would call the authorities. Okay, I've got my pants on. I should find it at this point. Even. Even if you went straight to the fridge, I would, first time I'm calling the authorities for sure. Okay. It's good to know. It's good to know. Second time's, okay. I don't own a gun, but I would go out and buy one just at, at that moment. Just'cause that, that would prove the point that I need a gun in the how many visits until I can just help myself in your fridge. Maybe three, four. I think that's fair. You, you've been enough time, I mean visits, so I can just take my, and when can I take my pads off? That's a good question. When you start paying the rent or the mortgage, I think that's. They, they, they, then you have a, to take your pants off. Well, it's not, I I, I've literally made myself at home, haven't I? Yeah, exactly. I've contributed financially. Yeah. So that's a, thats a good standard I'm on. When you contribute financially, you can take the pants off. Fair enough. Uh, your patriotism and obviously I would say that. I wouldn't say that Rich and are well British pride is a, is a strange thing, but um, obviously you are very, you know, a flag, a flag on a doorstep is very normal. On your front lawn is quite common and you, you love the Nash anthem. It's, it's, it's everywhere. I mean, of course you get it, but you get it. Every sporting event you go to, it doesn't matter. Um, Matt, it could be friendly. There are, there are restaurants you'll be eating and then the middle of your meal and then suddenly people stand up and just. Very odd. I mean that, that I do find odd sporting events all the way. Okay. At least you see it's, at least you see it's odd. Yes. It's middle of a meal or a bar to start playing the national anthem. I, I just in case people are, do people forget they're American while they're eating their meal? Um, uh, I think that people utilize patriotism here as a blanket. My life is shitty, but at least I'm an American sort of situation. It's a good reminder for them. I, I do like the way that Brits utilize their patriotism though, because their humor in general is very self-deprecating. So patriot, from my eyes, from an American's point of view, British patriotism is, I'm gonna make fun of myself, but fuck you if you try to, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's very true. I mean. Just going back to the Nash anthem, the, I'll give you some scenarios, which I haven't seen. Mm-hmm. But I could imagine, and I think they would have a, I could imagine being in a public bathroom, they start playing the American. The American anthem. Yes. And then people on the stools would just stand up mid shit and just absolutely put their hat on their chest. Absolutely. I mean it, they could be halfway through a drop and they would just stand up, complete it, sit back down 100%. See that. I know. I'm not saying, oh, that's obviously a made up scenario, but it's something that could happen now. I've never had it on an airplane in America, which is strange. I thought you might have it before or after take off. No, not, not on an airplane that that would even be stranger. What I would say is this. Do you, do you guys, you know, sort of sing God, save the King at any event at all or even like during, even during championship games, let's say. Not a regular league game. No. It's the only time, the only time you would hear it are when England play.'cause it's their national anthem. Right. Versus another country called domestic games. Yeah. Domestic games though. Club games. Yeah. You wouldn't hear it at all. Even if they're playing internationally. Um, I dunno actually May No, I don't think they, like, if, if, if Man, city and Manu are playing, they're not playing. God save the king before the game starts. No, no, no. Not so. Because everyone knows they're British. What's the. Yeah. Other times maybe on sort of like, uh, athletics, if a Brit wins and they're on the podium, well, obviously, you know, you see the Olympics, of course, Olympics, the time, things like that, and motor racing. Uh, well, I've seen in Formula One, whoever the winning country is, they get their anthem. But it's just, if it was a purely sport in England as in not playing international, then no, we're not playing our anthem. Fuck it. Let's get on with it. Right, right, right. Normally'cause we can't drink at some of these. As I said before, you can't drink at these football events. Why, why do you wanna add another two minutes into it? We're like, come on, get the fuck on with it. We gotta drink. You know? Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I agree. It's, um, I guess you're so used to it, right? It's just become a part of, I've been to a ton of sporting events. It doesn't matter what sport, it's baseball, basketball, hockey, football. But when it's at a restaurant or when it's outside of a sporting event, I'm like, all right, maybe we're taking it a little too far. I think let's keep it within sporting events. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even then, even then, it's like, you know, I, I, it makes sense if we're playing against Canada. Right. And there's even Americans that get upset when the Canadian National Anthem, which I'm pretty sure is, is it God Save the King as well? It's O Canada. It's so Canada. I'm an idiot. It's O Canada. It's so Canada. Yeah. It's O Canada. O Canada is played at sporting events because there's a lot of Canadian teams that are part of just the majors, right. So whether it's the N-B-A-N-F-L, not NFL, but uh, MLB, um, and there's Americans that get upset when O Canada's played in the US Right. But you're playing against a Canadian team. What's the problem? That is pride in your country, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is. It is very heavy on the pride and that's what we should do. By the way, we should bring on some, a Canadian guests or a, or a German or a Spanish, not the French, they're a bit much, but just to see what their, yeah, what their competitive, yeah. Now we've essentially northern, we've essentially removed all of France. Um, yeah, we've had no downloads in France and let's be honest. Yeah. Which is fair. I'm always sleep. Yeah. Yeah, they're too busy looted of writing at the moment. Anyway. They always seem to have a lot. They love a write, so it's fine. Yes, it's fine. But I, I, I would agree. I think that in a general sense, etiquette in the US is big. It's obvious. And in the UK it's very composed. Yeah. We, we know self composure. It's, that's You do, I think we do well. And also I think it's just, we become bothered, you know? Yeah. It's, it's more effort to be enthusiastic. Why, why are we wasting that effort? Everything, you know, even seeing the national anthem, that's, it's all effort. It's true. I, I just, the one thing I can't wrap my head around, and maybe you could help with this, it's, again, we're very obvious with our statements and our communication, but the Brits love to imply they'd love to leave a little gray area there, just in case. It's all about the implication, isn't it? It's serious. It really is. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes, uh, it's, it's mainly'cause we're shitty. It's, it's that, yeah, it, deep down inside we're terrible. And if I, like, if I saw someone crying, I'll just go up to and go, Hey, what's what? Why are you crying? Is it because of your haircut? And just walk off? Is it because of Yeah. Or one of my favorite things to do is, um, when you're a party, got to random a person and just go. Personally, I didn't have a problem with you coming tonight and then walk off. It's just that you just gotta leave that, you gotta leave that little implication. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's plenty of those sort of things. They're brilliant to do. The, the best part of that crying joke, uh, is that a British person would care if another person was crying. Wouldn't care. You wouldn't care at all. You, you, you wouldn't even walk up to that person. You would probably say, excuse me, sorry. And just get outta my way. Yeah. I'd cue behind them exactly. Yeah. Can, can you walk up please? It's your turn. If I see someone, no, I, I wouldn't say that. I think it's more, uh, I, there's, there's different people. Some people see very caring and they go over, but I, if I see someone crying, I'm just gonna have, move away from that. I've seen that before in an office. A woman start crying. I'm just back to why I someone else, someone else will deal with this. Someone more caring and that can deal with this situation. Yeah. Who's more emotionally equipped to deal with the situation where, I'm just gonna general pat on the back. And ask him. It's'cause of a haircut. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, even that's a great point. Even when it comes to compliments, not just with negative stereotypes, I, I will outright say, Matt, you look fantastic. If you got a new suit on or dressed nicely, whatever that looks like, right. Uh, but a Brit will walk up to you and say, new haircut or new clothes, just, it won't outright say that you look great. The compliment isn't all the way there, but they'll give you some positive. It's a question. It's just a question, isn't it? Exactly. It's a, yeah, it's a question. Do you look nice or am I off? Like it's not really. Yeah. I had this a true story, so I. I had to meet with hr, not for the reasons you think it was more just had a meeting with hr. Careful now. Um, and I, and I've only, I've only ever spoke to this lady in HR time, this smart Matt. Yes. I have like a recurring meeting in my diary now. Yeah. So I'd never actually, I'd never, I don't think I'd even, I know I never video spoke to this personal teams, but I obviously have the teams icon and the first thing she said to me, and this is covers your stereotype perfectly, she went, oh, you look different in person. That was it. Now, do I read that? Is that could have meant anything? You look, you look, do you look better in person? Yeah. Or do you look worse in person?'cause either way it's, it's the slightest scale. I didn't say anything. It's just that power trip. And then she carried on with her day. I'm like, well that's gonna stick with me for the rest of the day, isn't it? You really fucking will. Yeah. You look different in person. You look different. We, well, you look the same bitch. What am I supposed to, up to that, you know? No. Oh. Mean, I mean, it, it could be worse. You could say, think. Well, you look, you, you, you know, you're larger than Exactly. You know where Larger than I expected. Wow. Wow. This, yeah. None of that weight's in the face on your profile. Yeah. Which is it? Ooh. All down below. Well, I think we've covered everything. I think now we've, we've joined these two nations. I know Trump's trying to push it apart by suing the BBC by billion. That's right, yeah, yeah. Does he realize the BBC doesn't have a billion pounds? I dunno what he thinks, but he sued, he sued a, B, C here, which is not, not an equivalent, but a again, a very large, uh, or probably the largest cable news, uh, network. Did he win? Oh, uh, probably he, he hasn't won, but they capitulated they'll, they'll, they'll settle. I'm sure. Okay. So, I mean, the, the B BBC is kind of not, not for profit, so it's not gonna have a billions kind of sitin there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and does he know that it's owned by. The people of Britain. So it's kind of a governmently owned. So really what he's saying there is everyone in the in Britain's gotta just chip in and pay him a billion dollars. It's not, I don't think he cares. He does not care. It's not gonna help British relations. It's not a private company, it's, it's, it's a national, it means nothing government owned Trump. Do you have the, he's about himself. Do you have state or government owned TV in America? We do, yeah. We have PBS and um. The current administration is trying to defund it. Right. So how does that pay for it? From your taxes? Yeah, yeah, from taxes. It's, it's essentially it's funded directly, uh, from the taxpayer, right? Yeah. So it's the same thing as our B, B, C, then. Same. So although WePay, which you find strange that we pay a license to have B, B, C. Very odd, very odd. Even that, I mean, we should have incorporated that in our TV episode. Yeah, I mean, it's a strange thing. It's not really, it's called a TV license, but it's not a license. It's more, you've gotta think of it like a Netflix subscription. We're just paying a subscription, I think it's about 70 pounds something. Right? Um, and we're paying that a year. So basically it's like paying Netflix. Exactly. It's the same, it's the same thing, but they call it a license is a strange thing. I think it's'cause it is, you know, it's gone back sort of many decades and at the time it was more of a. A legal license you brought to watch tv and they even had different costs. If you wanted just a black and white one, it was a bit cheaper. Yeah. But obviously now we don't have black and white TVs, so I fix that. Okay. I think we're gonna caught it there. I think we're, I think we've covered it. I think now we'll just, I mean, I was gonna say, I think we're start, if we go in longer, we're gonna really start sort of, um, scraping for content. But I think you could say the same, uh, about two minutes in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's really, it's all relative really. I'm really interested to see what the, the best of bits were this week. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we just, all I could do is just copy and paste the whole 30 minute podcast into that intro bit so it makes it an hour. So it goes, it's what coming up plays the whole 30 minute podcast, and then we go back and, and then we play the podcast. That's right. And hopefully in a couple months we can, we have some fillers in, with some commercials. Yeah. I mean, long shot. Yeah. Listen. Yeah. Let's see. Maybe you can make those relationships up, up in the north next week. That's right. No, I'm sure they'll love me. Yeah. Okay, well I will you and get on a plane. That's right. And I will see you next week. Cheers. Okay. See you later.