Binah of Daniel Snow: What Forbes Doesn't Measure

In this episode of Binah Says, I sit down with entrepreneur Daniel Snow for a raw and thought-provoking conversation on purpose, fulfillment, and the pursuit of more than just external success.

From growing up in a small town in New Jersey to walking away from a career in dentistry, Daniel shares how he built multiple million-dollar businesses across social media, consumer brands, and his agency—ultimately earning a spot on Forbes 30 Under 30. But behind the accolades, he opens up about the deeper journey: shifting from chasing validation to seeking internal alignment.

Together, we unpack the fear of living a mediocre life, the challenges of scaling multiple companies, and what it really takes to build strong teams and culture. Daniel also reflects on his current season of self-discovery—questioning meaning, exploring spirituality, and redefining what fulfillment truly looks like.

This episode dives into the idea that the process is the prize, why achieving goals and overcoming challenges fuels purpose, and how moments of comfort can sometimes leave us feeling lost. Daniel shares powerful insights on writing down goals, removing friction to take action, and how our perception—and others’ perception of us—can shape our reality.

If you’ve ever questioned your path, craved deeper meaning, or felt torn between success and fulfillment, this episode will challenge you to think differently and move with intention.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

My biggest fear is not failure. My biggest fear was mediocrity. I mean, throughout my career, especially in the early parts of my career, everyone criticized me. I used to not be a really an intentional person, but like the word intention, even like it didn't really resonate with me. A lot of people like to talk about how you did it. How did you become successful? How'd you do that? But everyone's told that story a million times, and everyone already knows the answers, and people typically hate telling that same story. I would not consider myself a spiritual person up until a few years ago. I don't think I had any feeling to spirituality. I didn't really understand what that meant. When you're going through life with no challenges, you're not obviously you have no opportunity to grow. For me, growth and working towards goals are the single most important thing for me that give me fulfillment.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Welcome to Be Not Says, the podcast created to reveal the wisdom within everyone.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

What does fulfillment mean to you?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

I think that when I mean where my brain went to is I think that fulfillment means doing things that give me energy. That's kind of been what I have been intentional around this past year. That was the theme of my year, was finding purpose and fulfillment was my goal. And I thought about deeper, I was like, what you know, that's it's like a it's a it can actually be pretty, you know, it it's it's kind of like a daunting thing. Like, let me find my purpose. And when I thought about it on a deeper level, it's like if I can find things in many areas of my life that give me energy, you know, that could give me purpose slash fulfillment. Maybe so for I think fulfillment to me is doing things that give me energy, therefore, things that are energetically aligned, therefore doing things that you know align, find it finding alignment with myself. So being able to do all that and finding things that give me energy, there for me, give me fulfillment.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

Have you always asked yourself kind of um in life that question of what can I do that will bring me a purpose?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

No. Uh asking yourself. Definitely not. Um you know, I actually had a conversation this morning, um, and this will answer your question. And he said something to me that something I felt like that answers where I was at. He's like, you know, the key to it all is you need to survive and win. I said to that, I was like, then what? You know, so that's where I was at with my life up until I was 29, I would say, is just surviving and winning, you know, like that's all that mattered, really, to me. I mean not all, but like that was the most important thing, right? Um surviving.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Where do you think that came from?

SPEAKER_00 2:56

I think from uh I mean it certainly came from a place of a lack of, of certainly running from a lot of a lot of things. Um and um I had a lot of I had a lot of fear of um, I mean, my biggest fear was like the you know, growing up in a um think of what I would say like a pretty like normal town, like upper middle class town in New Jersey, like my biggest fear was like that lifestyle of just like living there your whole life, going to the same places, nothing interesting, nothing dynamic, nothing like you know, intellectually stimulating. I'm not broadening my like perspective horizon. And I never I I just I think the other thing that was part of that was just like I never felt like I never felt growing up that I fit in at all. Zero. Like I never could have like felt like I could really relate to people, like want to. Um, yeah, I just I never felt that, and maybe that's where the the fear came from. But a lot of it was uh running from that, you know. I was like, I want I was extremely ambitious, I had chip on my shoulder for many different reasons, and uh that's what created that that meant that mentality of um of surviving and and and winning, you know, for numerous reasons. But uh yeah, I think that like once you're for me at least, my journey, everyone's journey is different, but um you know there was an event that kind of was the catalyst to me going inward, you know, instead of focusing on external things, and once that uh inflection point happened, that was what really made me prioritize um you know, in you know, going internally instead of constantly focusing on externally. And once you know I did that uh and really spent a ton of time, energy, you know, all these different things on that, uh, then obviously, you know, you think up more about purpose and fulfillment and all these other things, and living a life that hopefully can align with that. Um and now I live a much more my goal is to live a much more well-rounded life, um where work and you know, success, whatever, is part of that, not the whole thing. And I think that's where like the you know, work is definitely part of my life now, at least it wasn't, but um I see it's value in it now as uh as one of the things that that can give me purpose and fulfillment, but not everything that I hold myself that you know as like a standard to like am I living a you know good or bad life based on how I'm doing.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

So it's funny that you say 29, because we we met, I think, when you were you just turned 30. I came to your birthday when you turned 30. So you were at this We met before that though. A little bit before, yeah. You would have been 29.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

But oh actually, you're right. We met, yeah, because you came to my 30th birthday yoga.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Yeah, on the beach, sunrise, yoga.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

So we must have met when you were 29. So you were going through this inflection point. So leading up to that, it it sounds like you were kind of chasing maybe X purpose that was more external?

SPEAKER_00 6:35

I wouldn't say it was purp I mean purpose was just not something on my radar.

SPEAKER_05 6:39

It was I was just trying to Or gratification that was external versus internal?

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, you could say gratification, but more than anything, I was just trying to make money. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 6:51

Okay, so what was your defin what was your definition of success? It seems like it pivoted at this time. So before 29, what was your definition of success? It was based in money, wealth, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Externally primarily. I mean, relationships were always important to me, but not on like a I would say deeper level as it is now. Um but like that was definitely um the priority of my life throughout my adult life.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

And in that pursuit, you started uh many different companies?

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Many, yeah, many different businesses.

SPEAKER_05 7:26

Your first one was the snow agency.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

No, no, that that came way later on. Um so I started my career when I was in college in 2012. The Snow Agency came in 2019. So I had I had been doing many different things prior to that.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

So you started in college already with businesses, starting businesses?

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah, um I I started in college creating audiences on social media, which then led me to marketing different companies on social media, apps and whatnot, which led me to creating my own. Well, I had a huge huge audience, and then learned how to monetize it. So I got into apps and content blogs, e-commerce, affiliate marketing, and then I created an affiliate network for creators on social media. This is back in 2014, uh, still in college, and then created a portfolio of brands, Rap TV, then the Snow Agency, then others. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:26

How did you even find this kind of avenue?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

It was literally from a conversation that started as just a conversation in the gym in college. My friend told me he was making $45 a week on his phone, and I was like, wow, that was my mind was blown. Well, I was blown. I mean, this is 2012. It's not like it is now. Like, you know, many people might not even had an Instagram or Twitter yet. So super early. Um, and the fact that you could make a career on social media was still obviously like a very new idea. You know, this was way before there was the you know, the guru saying, Oh, look, this is how you make money, this is how you make a career, is how you do all these things on line. I mean, the landscape of the world was just a much different place. Uh, obviously, this was a decade before even TikTok. So that blew my mind. And then honestly, like how I gained exposure to all these other things and ideas and businesses is just I would say more conversations. Like, even you know, in college, like what led me to us to getting our biggest advertiser was a conversation at 3 a.m. on the blackjack table at a conference. And just from that conversation, that changed it was a huge kind of inflection point in my life. And how I got into many other future things was just conversations that, but I was always someone who was willing to take action on on that. And I think that was like looking back, like really what differentiated differentiated me from many other people because I think there's opportunity around everyone, but I was always someone who was really quick to act on it.

SPEAKER_05 10:04

Um and so this person said they're making $45 a week.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Yeah, he didn't say, like, oh, I'll show you how to do it, I'll show you how to do anything. I just literally left the gym in the parking lot and made a Twitter account trying doing what he did.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

But what were you doing on Twitter to get $45?

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Uh he created an audience, so he had follow, you know, I think he had like 10 or 20,000 followers at the time, which seemed like a ton. And uh he would post advertising links, links to content blogs at the time that you got paid with ads on the website. Or to affiliate links, stuff like that. Okay, so you tried this for yourself and it was it started working, or well, first I had to grow an audience, but yeah, it definitely worked, and I sought out people who also helped me along the way and you know continued down that path. There was definitely like failure numerous times in there, but uh I was definitely at that point like definitely like obsessive over it. Yeah. I remember like how old was I? I guess like 20 years old. I remember I remember um it was my birthday with my family and my ex-girlfriend, and I literally kept going to the bathroom just to like get like like do more sh stuff in my mind like I had to do. Like it was so I was like so uh just fully immersed in it, just like you know, learning all this stuff. Um yeah, so but it was it was it it it you know, like people say, I mean, it wasn't work, like I just really enjoyed it. I I yeah, it's easy, it was easy.

SPEAKER_05 11:43

What did you want to do growing up? Like what was your childhood dream?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Um to be an NBA player. I love I love basketball. Yeah, basketball was definitely my first love. Um after I tore both my AC, I mean when I was younger too, I was like, an astronaut would be really cool, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

It's probably more possible now than ever.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah, that's a good point. Um I I mean I also like definitely was one of those kids that always had uh um a strong pull towards the idea of entrepreneurship. Like I remember even when I was young, like kind of like looking at these in my town, there wasn't a ton of entrepreneurs where I was growing up. It was mostly people working in corporate jobs, but people who were entrepreneurs, like successful ones especially, I like really felt uh like just real really amazed by these people, almost like especially like really successful, almost like these like it was almost like these like godlike figures in my mind, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Um who were some of those?

SPEAKER_00 12:48

It didn't have it it wasn't even like anything notable, people doing anything notable. Friend's dad were doing something, you know, uh random, like I don't know, hedge fund business, private wealth, whatever. But it was just like the idea of creating something working for yourself and like making a lot of money doing it um on your own terms was something I was really fascinated at. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

I think at one point you said you had told me that your path was you thought you were gonna become a dentist.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah, I went to school to be a dentist.

SPEAKER_05 13:23

So after you graduated from Rampo, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

So I got accepted into the accelerated dental program in high school.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

In high school.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

To be a you go to three years dentist to that uh three years undergrad, four years to dental school. Um I had no idea what I wanted to, like, you know, I was like, I know I I think I want to do business, be an entrepreneur, whatever, but like when you're 17 before the as it was back then, uh I graduated high school in 2011. So back then, you know, without thinking about having access to the internet to create businesses, it's like where do you start? It's like back then, it's like you need money typically to start a business, right? How do I get money to start a business? Uh what business do I start? Where are so I had no idea what I wanted to do, and uh my parents definitely uh you know put some pressure to go the safer route. Being a dentist was one of those. And uh I was like, oh, I guess I get to work for myself, they make good money. Um, but in my head, even as like a 16, 17-year-old kid, I was already thinking, like, okay, like I could go to dentist school. By the time I graduate, I'm 26, I can do make some money, then I can start buying real estate, building portfolio, then I can stop being a dentist. Like I was already thinking like this when I was like 16, thinking about my way out. You're way out of being a dentist. So thank God, uh yeah, going into my senior year of college, I was taking my DAT's, my dental admissions test, and my one of my businesses just took off to the point where by that summary, I was like, I am doing well enough where financially makes no sense to be a dentist. So thank god I never became a dentist, but I was close.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

So you found your way out earlier than expected, and you never had to go to dentist school.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:14

But your brother became a dentist, didn't he?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

He be he was a dentist and he was a uh a dentist in the Air Force. That's when he started working with me. And then he went to orthodontist residency, graduated, and then never practiced orthodon one day of orthodontistry. He this was he finished during COVID, and uh we had to create an agency at the time, and it was just a perfect opportunity for him to uh go all in on you know, uh being an entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_05 15:44

Um so you partnered and you started the snow agency at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Yeah, but we had partnered on businesses prior, but uh i i uh it wasn't like the same level of partnership as it was with the agency and all our other businesses after he uh decided to what was what was the vision of the snow agency at the time?

SPEAKER_05 16:06

And I know you eventually sold that business um and it was acquired.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:13

So and what was it generating at the time that it was so revenue?

SPEAKER_00 16:17

We were doing we were doing about 10 million 10 million a year in revenue at the time. The vision for the agency, so prior to the agency we had a portfolio of consumer brands, um which we sold. And uh um so prior, so so after that, I didn't know like what brands I wanted to launch, etc. And the idea for the agency was well, I realized the most powerful thing, and at least at that, you know, how I was like looking at things because I was unsure what I want to do, was having an infrastructure and organization that um you can do whatever you want to. You can pivot, you can be opportunistic, you can invest, you can, you know, launch new brands internally, etc. So I saw the agency as a great way to build up that infrastructure to allow us to once again be opportunistic, launching brands, partnering with people, you know, investing, getting exposure, whatever, which we did end up doing, and and there was definitely one huge win that came out of that, and we launched numerous brands from that. Some were successful, some were okay, some failed, whatever. But um, that was kind of the idea behind that. And I also knew, you know, once again, I mean, I was pretty young, we launched it. I was like, I don't, I I know I enjoy uh I really enjoy helping entrepreneurs, and I really enjoy applying our processes to to brands um and hopefully growing them. I really enjoy doing that. So I thought the agency would would would would get would be a good way of going back to energy things, something that could keep me energized, it's new constantly like new and exciting. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:06

How did you like finance this business? Did you put in your own money? Did you borrow money from family and friends?

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Everything was boot trapped. I mean the age the agency was we were pretty fortunate where um we were able to negotiate um the brands that we sold to not take our employees but hire us as a contractor or agency, whatever you want to call it, to continue running the advertising. So after I sold the brands, we already had a team of people. We were able to already have revenue day one because there were the brands we just sold. So that's kind that was kind of the initial um what do you mean by brands you just sold? Oh, so I had we owned brands before the agency.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

So you created oh, you owned brands.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Yeah, it created, yeah. That was a pretty um, I mean, we had like probably even that business, I don't know, you know, because we had a warehouse too. I don't know, 40 employees at one point.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

And they were D2C brands? Yeah, everything D2C.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Across every kind of we had a our biggest brand was a shapeware brand, we had a big phone case brand, we had a men's grooming company, we had other oral care company or other random things. Um but uh yeah, we had our at the time it was kind of like a little internal agency for our own stuff. We would do even some affiliate marketing, we would do some media buying for other people. So um, you know, we even used it as a way to train some of our newer employees. So um when it came down to to you know taking on external clients, it was an extremely easy transition for our internal team and for me because I essentially had already gotten used to you know finding marketing employees, training them, building them up. I mean, really the hardest part for them was was uh uh communicating with clients. That was like the hardest part, but um um it was a super easy transition um both logistically and financially.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

So you saw an opportunity to offer the market something that you understood well that you needed for your own brands and companies, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

And there was already a huge demand for it because we had already created such a great reputation for ourselves in the e-commerce landscape for doing it for ourselves and doing it well. So it was a pretty easy sell trying to get, you know, allow us to help other brands.

SPEAKER_05 20:40

What were some of the greatest challenges in growing the SNO agency?

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Um the single greatest challenge was uh um I mean, I said, you know, an a running an agency is a completely people business.

SPEAKER_05 20:55

Like all businesses. Yeah, like all businesses.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

But this is like your product is literally your people, right? Like literally. Um so I mean that is the greatest challenge, but the greatest challenge within that was when we were growing really fast, like really fast, we would hire 10, 15 people at a time and train them at a time. Um two things within that. One was allowing our middle management to grow with that pace was incredibly difficult. Um it was really hard for us to find external people we can hire and and and and um had we what we thought had the skills that our you know internal team had and also be able to manage and train. So that was I would say like middle management was the hardest part for sure, because you know, there's one thing you can take an amazing employer. An individual amazing individual contributor, but trying to turn them into a manager is a whole different skill set. And if they're not a good manager, well, it's a huge shot in the foot because now you just took someone who's an amazing individual contributor who's not doing a good job managing other employees, therefore not doing a good job with all these other accounts, and it's in and they're an inhibitor, not an enhancer. So I mean that was a big mistake trying to take our best employees, turn them into managers, but also as we grew really quickly, not being conscious of creating a company culture. And due to that, um, you know, our biggest focus was just hiring good talent. And because we didn't we weren't intentional about around creating company culture, um that created huge issues in the company later on. Because it creates a couple culture in and of itself.

SPEAKER_05 23:03

A lack of culture.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

A lack of culture will be engrossed by whatever happens to this chaos. Right? So um yeah, I mean that created other challenges and power dynamics and all this other crazy stuff. But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:22

So you ran that up for how many years?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Uh almost four years.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

And you were the CEO?

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:30

And your brother, what role was his playing?

SPEAKER_00 23:32

He was the CEO.

SPEAKER_05 23:34

Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:36

And was your plan from the beginning to kind of grow this to a certain stage where then you would eventually, you know, sell or be acquired?

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah, definitely. I definitely didn't see it as a forever business.

SPEAKER_05 23:47

Did you how did that process go in in getting acquired?

SPEAKER_00 23:51

We sought out a you know a a banker that could help us, and uh, yeah, we ran just a formal process to try and get sold. It was horrible, it was brutal.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

And uh, did you have to stay on for a certain amount of time?

SPEAKER_00 24:05

I didn't, but my brother did. Um that was a big reason why we sold, was because I had other things going on that I wanted to focus more of my time on. Um and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

You you focus you were focusing on rap TV is for yeah, rap TV and um Can you explain what rap TV is?

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah, Rap TV is uh um is a media company um where that has a large audience in the rap and culture space. So what I like to say, it has the biggest audience for rap and culture um on the internet, and the most engaged community for it. And then um after we had created rap TV, we decided to replicate that formula across other music genres and interests that our audience was interested in. So, reggaeton music and pop music, country music, fashion, gaming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

So you were focusing more on that after you sold?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Yeah. And I mean and and also, like I said, I mean that was the time where I wanted to uh um go, you know, focus more on on on the internal stuff. And I was kinda that was also where my own, you know, spiritual journey really started around this time too, and that's what I wanted to focus more on. So I ended up not running Rap TV for very long and took uh you know, as we as you know, uh almost two almost two years off from work to uh travel travel and prioritize this uh you know self-discovery spiritual period of my life.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

Um did you ever have a feeling um, you know, in this first part of your journey where you thought you had made it? Like I have I maybe the wealth that I've always dreamed of. Did you have that moment where you were kind of like felt as though you were successful in the way that you wanted to be growing up?

SPEAKER_00 26:17

I don't know. I don't think I had that feeling when I was working, but when I was not working, I did have that feeling of contentness, of like, I have enough, I'm good.

SPEAKER_05 26:27

So that came after selling the company?

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah. Somewhere along yeah, somewhere after.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

You no longer felt like you were in survival mode.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Uh yeah. But I don't think that's a good feeling to have, actually.

SPEAKER_05 26:39

It's not.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

But you agree?

SPEAKER_04 26:41

I'm I'm asking you, it's not?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

I don't I you know, and this is pretty counter this is pretty like, I mean, what the spiritual world says, whatever, this, that. Contentness, I know, I still chase contentness, but it's like, I don't know, there's somewhere between like contentness. How do you balance contentness and desire for more? Desire for more, but what comes with that is self-discipline, urgency, you know, which built to me build self-respect and all these other things. It's like when I'm content, or maybe complacent, which for me, complacency really um took an effect when I was content. I feel like I was not the version of me that I don't know if I self-respect is the right word, because I I did respect myself for doing these things. Not for wanting to be, I think it's just like, I think the feeling I got towards life, which I think now is a very bad mentality to a bad place to be, was just like the feeling of like, what's the point? What's the point of anything? What's the point of trading my time for money? What's the point of trading my time for opportunity? What's the point this way? But that is not the right that's not the right way to look at things. Because what I I you know, I go back and look at, I just told you this whole story of like, you know, the beauty of how my life unfolded was just being in it, constantly moving forward, and that's where your life can can really uh you know, being in the arena, it's how you get exposure and are challenged, and you know, therefore, you know, you face opportunity and all that stuff. So I think for me it's like being in when I'm you know, so to speak, in the arena, I have a different mindset mentality.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

So it sounds to me like what you're saying is that quote where they say the process is the prize.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

So 100% being in it, being in the journey, you know, working towards something is what actually was bringing you um joy or fulfillment and not the end.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Well, not that, and also the day-to-day, you know, challenges that you know I was I was faced with. You know, even in Kabbalah, you want to know about how challenge is an opportunity. When you're going through life with no challenges, you're not obviously you have no opportunity to grow. For me, growth is going back to fulfillment. Growth and working towards goals are the single most important thing for me that give me fulfillment. Yeah, when I was, you know, going through that time of my life where I was not working towards anything, I wasn't moving forward, therefore you're moving backward. It was a it was a very lost place I was. It was a great place. I mean, I am very grateful for that time of my life because it really allowed me to change perspective on many things and be able to see also work differently, um, and how I approach it. But um yeah, it it it it was it was a I don't think it was a great a great uh a mindset that was a result of of of of having almost too much yeah too much comp complacency.

SPEAKER_05 30:08

Do you believe in God, a higher power?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 30:15

And how has your relationship with God evolved over time, maybe uh when you were younger till today. When you were starting these businesses, where was how was God kind of interweaved in your uh uh everyday existence, and how is that relationship different today?

SPEAKER_00 30:37

I would not consider myself a spiritual person up until a few years ago at all. I don't think I had any feeling to spirituality. I didn't really understand what that meant. I saw these woo-woo people as like, you know, kind of BS. Yeah, I grew up in a very my parents are both pretty religious, my mom was especially very religious, and um kosher household. But I think that like with me especially, I'm someone that when it, you know, you're forced to do something, it makes me shut down and not want to do it. So especially like, you know, I went to you know, Jewish, Jewish after school, Jewish camps, this, that, Jewish, you know, Jewish is a big part of my my life growing up, but I didn't have like a I was always proud to be Jewish, but in terms of like the relationship with God, which is a very personal thing, you can't be forced into that, um, I never really developed that until you know later in my in my in my 20s. I mean it's still, you know, it's still it's still constantly developing and changing and becoming you know more front of mind and not, and I certainly believe in God and I certainly believe in a higher power. I think that this year took a little little my spirituality took a little bit of a back seat as I was more so trying to like finding you know my new path, so to you can call it. Whereas this year, as I'm making my goals for 2026 again, spirituality is now going to be on that list of like things that you know I can things that I can prioritize to keep it more top of mind.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

I would agree with you. I think that spirituality is something that you can't really force, it's something that when it's the right time, you kind of uh connect to it in your own way. And similarly, I think this was like two years ago, one of my goals for the year was to become more spiritual. And I didn't even know what that meant. Like I wrote it down without really knowing. Um because I also grew up in a more so religious household and we were doing things out of tradition and custom because we're Jewish and uh that's the way things are done, and that's the way it was written, and this is what you know my parents did growing up. But I definitely was missing the meaning behind everything that we were doing. So I can relate on that front. And then taking, you know, my Kabbalah 1 class, this was almost two years ago, changed my whole relationship with with God and with the practices I was doing growing up.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

It's interesting, because when like I said, I started this year, I was like writing down all these goals, and some of them I was consciously working towards, and some I was not at all. In fact, like I looked back recently and I was like, oh shit, I forgot I even wrote this.

SPEAKER_05 33:36

I do that too.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

And uh and it happened.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

So it it for the first time I was amazed to see even some of the other things that I wrote that I did remember, how once I wrote it, you know, the universe, God, whatever, just slapped me in the face with it as like an opportunity to do. And the exact reaction I I had at each of those things was like, I wrote it down as things that I'm going to do, like I have to do it. You know? So it goes with like I was able to see, because I I used to not be a really intentional person. Like, I didn't, I was like, the word intention, even I'm like, I don't even know how I can like, it didn't really resonate with me. So it was it was it was incredible to see and made me really excited to you know to continue doing that and and being intentional. Um my Kabbalah 1 class, the positive of it is showing up with people who are also in the same mindset as you, wanting to be curious about around spirituality and bettering themselves. And being able to at least have those lessons for that week be top of mind. To me, that was the biggest pro. Like I mentioned, I have I I I I've done a lot of I don't know, self-work and read a lot and done a lot of other experiential things. So I think I feel like all the concepts in Kabbalah 1, nothing was really like new to me. So it didn't feel like I was like, you know, kind of like that wow moment or aha moment of anything. I was kind of like, oh wow, it's interesting how this other, you know, modality is saying the exact same, the exact same thing. Like I just did something else that said the exact same thing like a week ago. Like this is the exact lesson. So that was like the uh the interesting thing for me, which was cool. But uh, you know, once again, it's just reinforcing it. Like I said, it's like it allows you it allows that if spirituality is important to me, at least just showing up and having it be a little bit more top of mind than it was just going throughout your week and working again, being busy and this and that. It's very easy to lose that. So that was the biggest pro to me, um, and the biggest benefit.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

What were the other modalities you were trying or have tried that are teaching these same kind of concepts?

SPEAKER_00 35:57

So I went to something called the Hoffman Institute. Have you heard of it? I've talked to you about it. You've mentioned it to me. Um I I think that he did take a lot of his learnings from not Kabbalah was part of that, Judaism is part of that. Like he took some of his learnings from that. But I mean, literally everything we did in Kabbalah, we did in Hoffman on a much deeper level. Because we had more time, you know. I spent, I don't know, you know, eight, seven or eight nights, whatever, 13 hours a day do the math. It's like we had a lot of time to go really deep with these topics. So I spent a ton of time um on them during that week, afterwards, reflecting on it, thinking about it, writing, you know, writing med meditations on all this stuff. So yeah, I would say a lot of it were was was is is from that.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

Where did you do this Hoffman uh is it a retreat?

SPEAKER_00 36:56

It's a retreat, yeah. I did it in uh um a little outside San Francisco. But we do there's a like you know, there's there's a Miami uh people have done it in Miami. We get together once a month, we do these exercises and whatnot. So like you know, the exercise that we did that month was a few days before like one of the Kabbalah sessions, and it was like the exact topic we were going over. Like I'm like, I just did this. You know?

SPEAKER_04 37:25

Have you done anything with Joe Dispenza?

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I haven't. It's funny you say that because as I as I I as I mentioned, spirituality is is is is uh going to be one of the one of the things I'm more conscious of this year and writing down things that I think can can uh allow me to grow within that. Jod going to uh Joe Dispenza retreat was actually like one of the big events that I kind of wrote down for 26 that I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_05 37:52

What else are your goals for this year?

SPEAKER_00 37:55

I haven't I haven't uh I haven't started, I haven't like sat down and really like thought about it deeply yet.

SPEAKER_05 38:03

I know I need to do mine too, but it's I think it's funny that you said uh I was recently looking at like my 2024 goals or 2025, but it's funny how we just by writing it down subconsciously we work towards them and then when we look back, we're like wow, we're shocked at at what we could accomplish. Um so becoming you know closer to God for me, that was one that I uh you know have been able to work towards starting this podcast was one that I had for many, many years on my list.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

Same with me. That's why I started my podcast.

SPEAKER_05 38:42

Talk to me about that process.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

The process or why I wrote why I went on.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

Yeah, what brought you to wanna why did you want to start a podcast, and what were the steps you took to start one? Where are you with it now?

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Um I had been on many podcasts, as we were talking about before this, and I always enjoyed being on podcasts. I always enjoyed the conversations, I always enjoyed, you know, maybe because it's how present you are. Hopefully, people are asking me good questions, they don't always do.

SPEAKER_05 39:07

Um I hope I'm asking questions.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

You're asking me good questions. I mean, for me, what a good question is something that really challenges you to really think about it. Because I get so many questions that I'm asked that I'm like, okay, I already know I have the answer for it. I've said this to the answer a million times. Um but something that can really make you pause and think, because you might have not thought about that in a while. Even when I was starting my podcast, that was always my goal. Like to get someone, ask them a question that like really challenges them to go deeper and think about it. Because that's what I like. But, anyways, um, you know, I would say positively impacting people is something that also gives me a lot of fulfillment. Um, and I think that creating a podcast on a topic like I did, that was one of my goals to positively impact people and create a space for that in a in a topic that is not like as uh exciting, you know, as like what my podcast was about. Um, you know, I wasn't not as exciting as yours. No, like it's not like I think that like people like to talk about how you did it. A lot of people like to talk about how you did it, right? How did you become successful? How'd you do that? But everyone's told that story a million times and everyone already knows the answers, and people typically hate telling that same story. What people like to talk about is like the personal side of things, right? It's like you're with a very successful person with a lot of notoriety, it's usually around the how you did it, not like who who you are and the personal challenges that go along with that. But I think that's where the beauty lies, and that's where the real stories are told and humanizing, you know, pe you know, the these people who who might seem really aspirational. So I think that that could really impact people. I thought that could really impact people in a positive way. And it was also something that I was the the exact thing that I was going through at that time. So it was something I was really just genuinely curious about, right? Like I'm an entrepreneur, but these people who are professional athletes and musicians and celebrities and you know famous CEOs and this and that had the same challenges that I was going through in a different way. So I was able to approach it with just curiosity. And I personally benefited a lot from those conversations, and hopefully other people did too. So that was my inspiration for the podcast, and also once again, I was like, why? Why? Because I was like, if I said podcast give me, gave me energy whenever I would do them. And I told myself I would do 10 podcast episodes. It's all about action, right? So for years I also said, I want to create a podcast, create a podcast. Never did. So what did I do? I removed all the friction. I booked four or six whatever podcast studio sessions, so I had to pay for it, and I immediately tried to book four guests as fast as I possibly could. So I removed the friction, removed like, you know, how do I set up the videos, edit this, like I I hate that side, like hate that side of things. So all I had to do is show up. And yeah, and then and then and then I I got going, I gained some momentum and I really enjoyed it. I put myself out there. Um and once you put yourself out there, you realize it's not as it's not so bad, you know? And people try to help you, and that's exactly what happened. So like it was just a a fun process in many, many regards. A little pro it was a fun project that benefited me and hopefully some other people listening. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:37

I love that. I I removing all the barriers um preventing you from doing something that you know your heart or your soul telling you to do is a great lesson. Uh and I similarly had to do the same thing once I decided this is the thing I'm gonna finally do that I've been talking you know too much about doing but not doing, um removing those barriers and just going as quickly as possible.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 43:07

Is the way to go. How much of what other people think of you affects how you live your life? Is that a barrier that prevents you from doing anything?

SPEAKER_00 43:19

It's certainly not a barrier to me not doing something. I could care less about what people think, generally speaking. I almost find it comical when people criticize me because it's like funny. It's like, why is this such a trigger point to you? Why do you why are you projecting your own, you're showing your own insecure? You know, it's like funny for me. It's like, why is me living my life triggering you? Like, why do you right? It's like it's it's a joke. I always think about how do pe how do people's perception of me make me, does that make me do certain things? Mostly around the work stuff when I think about that. I actually don't think people's perception of me has ever affected anything I do. I mean, throughout my career, especially in the early Parts of my career, everyone criticized me for what I was doing. You know, working stuff like working on social media because it was such a foreign concept to everyone. Um, you know, friends, family, everyone, I had zero support, but I was always that type of person. I fed off of that criticism. I like if any like loved it. That was my fuel, that was like my fire. Like, I can't wait to prove you wrong. You know what I mean? That's what like when I was an I was an athlete growing up, same thing. It's like, you know, you play basketball, whatever, and someone's like the crowd, or whoever, someone's you know, talking shit to you, whatever. It's like I I love that, made me happy almost. I was always just that type of person. There's one of the best books I ever read is right there, Wanting, by Luke Burgess, and it's all about mimetic desire, which is like, you know, humans are are are developed through imitation, uh, therefore the things you want are based on imitation. So I think like, you know, on deeper levels, like there's definitely things that I am that I am doing or wanting, or whatever, how I'm showing up that is like some form of you know imitation. Like, where's it coming from, really? So, like, I'm sure that definitely affects me on some levels, but uh I I I wouldn't say prevents me from doing anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:18

It's funny you bring up this book because someone else has told me to read it. Oh, yeah. You're just the person that's telling me all the books I need to read because I know the good ones. I just finished the Many Lives, Many Masters that you had told me to read. And it was incredible. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Nice, happy to hear that.

SPEAKER_05 45:37

I think another thing that uh hinders people from starting anything a lot of the times is failure, a fear of failure. Has that ever affected you in anything you've done, accomplished?

SPEAKER_00 45:51

You know, it's pretty interesting. When I was like really starting out, I had such a great mindset. I think because f I never had a fear of failure. I remember even in college, like you know, I was in a fraternity and there was like pledges asking you questions, and like, what's your biggest fear? I was like, my biggest fear, I was 20 years old when I said this, and it my biggest fear is not failure. My biggest fear was mediocrity, right? So those are two completely different things. Therefore, my biggest fear is not my biggest fear is inaction, not failing. If anything, when I was younger, my I had a like my motto was like fail fast, because I, you know, I was like really able to learn. That's how you learn. Hopefully don't make those mistakes again. So I had no problem failing. I've failed many times. I started over many times. Um, you know, where it's interesting, because I had nothing to lose back then. Now, you know, especially as I'm starting a new business now, I have the fe the fear of failure more, I would say, than ever. I feel the weight of that more.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

Um is it because you think you have more to lose?

SPEAKER_00 46:54

I I mean it's not that I have more to lose, it's almost like a per it goes back to the perception thing, right? I've I have the perception of me to lose, of other people. Investors too. So um I feel the weight of that for the first time. Especially coming back to like work again, not working again for two years. Like, was I lucky and all these other things, da-da-da. And um that gives I think that gives me a lot of anxiety, actually. So um, you know, I it's just that's like I don't know, like the you know, the monkey brain in me. I try to come back and do all these things, but like that that that that like what when that's where I was going to when you asked me that question before around like just this people perception of you, like, you know, change the way you do things. So um once again, it's not changing the way I do things, but it like I'm like conscious of but the thing, you know, you go back to it, it's like no one actually gives a shit what you're doing or care about you, like for the most part, you know. Um and like that's the honest truth to it.

SPEAKER_05 48:00

So there's this quote, and I keep bringing it up on podcasts, so I need to actually find the real quote, but I'll pr paraphrase it. And it's something along the lines of in our twenties, we don't do the things we want to do because we are afraid of what other people will think of us. In our 30s or 40s, um, we decide to do it and we don't care about what other people think. And then in our 50s and 60s, we realize no one actually cared at all, and we've been doing the things we wanted to do in our 20s. So I've come to live by that mindset more now than ever. And yeah, it's crazy to see. I was just talking to a cousin of mine yesterday, and she's in an in an inflection point in her career where she just ended a job, um, a corporate job, and she was doing it her whole life, and now she's in her mid-20s, and she's thinking about pursuing things that are more, you know, artistry, uh, acting, modeling, things of this nature, but she's afraid to because of what other people would think of her. And it kind of gave me a pause uh because that mentality exists in the world, and it took me so long to transform it, and I live in that mentality now where it's like really I could not I I don't even put energy into what other people think about me, but to hear someone still kind of stuck in it um made me realize how much farther I think we have to come as a totally as a as a collective.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Well, I think, you know, I am someone that had the pattern still do in some regards, but like the pattern of judgment and criticism for a very long time. So um, you know, I think one of the greatest things about self-work and doing all this, you know, work on yourself and gaining all this awareness is that once you're able to peel back the layers on it and get to the core of these things, it allows you to understand people on a deeper level as well. Because the same things, you know, people build up the same patterns through the same mechanisms. And I think that like going back to what I was saying before, it's like now when people because definitely in my past, when people judged me or criticized me, it definitely could affect me at some level. Now it's and that's what I was saying before. Now it's like, you know, if it's like, why is why is me doing what I'm doing triggering to you? Like, you know, it's triggering to them, maybe because they want to do it or they feel self-conscious about them that they're what all these different things about them, it's not about me. And I think that once people realize that on a deeper level, it just you know, I think that's where hopefully like self-freedom is, you know? Like even those small things, like yeah, I'm like really it's fitness there, like one of my things. Like when I'm passionate about something, I love to share it with people. That's just how I am. Like share it to them, you know, and social media is one of those ways. It's just like it's like fun. But it's like, yeah, some of my friends see, you know, some videos, whatever, and they're and they and they, you know, will make fun or whatever. And it's like, it's it's like it's like funny to me. It's like, why, like, what do you like, why do you care? Like, it's not deep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I think uh a lot of the time people have like this negative perception of social media, and they they kind of get sucked into the negativity, maybe the toxicity of it. Um, but I think more so as of recently, I've been able to just transform it into this platform of sharing.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

Yeah, and and and inspiration, right? And so uh I have this rule that I made for myself. Every time I go onto social media, I must share something. I must post. I must put something to my story or post something. Um it number one, I become more intentional about going in.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

I'd be posting way too much if I did that.

SPEAKER_05 52:11

So, number one, it makes me more intentional. Ah, I see interesting. Yeah. Now I don't I don't just go on to mindless. It's like, okay, my intention as I'm going in is actually to share and to create something.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Cool.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

Um that I think is a better mindset. And then also when I go into social media, it's also to find inspiration for something else I want to create.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Um that's cool. Yeah, so it's a tool for you.

SPEAKER_05 52:39

Yeah, exactly. Versus a mindless scrolling doom whole of the universe vortex.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. That's cool. I haven't heard that one before.

SPEAKER_05 52:52

I know you've been more into your, I think, health and wellness now than ever. What does that look like for you on a day today? Um, and and how have you been able to share that with others?

SPEAKER_00 53:03

Um day to day, that looks like uh working out at 7 a.m. I work it out at 7 a.m. almost every day, sometimes two days a good amount of times, like not like with weights, but I'll do like a Pilates workout. I work out in the morning, so I have a Pilates workout or swimming or sprints or yoga or just walking on the boardwalk, whatever, depends on how I'm feeling. Um, so that's what that looks like on a day-to-day basis, uh, and and diet. Um yeah, I'm just like eating a I don't know, super low, low carbohydrate diet with with uh a lot of protein. Um and uh I mean that's really what it looks like, but like the underlying thing of that is self-control, right? Um but it's not self-restrictive, is the is the big difference because I no longer, and this is the thing that some people don't understand. Um I also like barely drink now. Um I don't desire these things. Like, I desire the feeling I have more than having a fucking donut. Like, I don't want a donut. The 10 seconds it tastes good. I I like literally don't desire that, you know? So um, yeah, I don't know. I guess it's uh maybe an interesting lesson behind that of like when you can get to the to the you know, see the positive benefit of something, you don't let the the the short-term gratification of stuff, whatever, get in the way. But yeah, I mean that that's that's really what it looks like. And um I was going back to what I said before, uh my 2025 goals. I completely forgot I wrote this. I didn't realize until two weeks ago. I wrote lose 15 pounds and get a six-pack.

SPEAKER_04 55:02

Uh have you done that?

SPEAKER_00 55:05

I uh I think I yeah, I lost like uh at least 25. I lost like 25 pounds probably, but uh maybe like 27 actually. But um yeah, then I yeah, I do I I I I I let I really enjoy group stuff, so I I do these beach workouts with friends, I do you know personal training workouts with sometimes with friends with a friend, um, sometimes work out with friends. So it's like it's it's it for me, it's always more fun to do it with with people. Um yeah, that's what that's what it looks like. It's nothing too crazy.

SPEAKER_05 55:39

What are you most curious about going into 2026? I can tell this is a good question. You're pausing for a while.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

It is. Um, because I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about it yet. I'm finding myself craving routine and being grounded more than anything, I think, in my life right now. Like I was just in Toulouse and I was like, I wish I could just be back in Miami, back in my routine routine. Um like that's feeling really good right now. Whereas before it was, you know, like many people can relate to, it's like, you know, you you you can't wait to escape. And uh escape travel, whatever. I think that's a pretty big change of mind. Like, I think that's I think that's pretty big, and that'll be interesting to see how that unfolds in the new year in many different areas of my life. Yeah, I I think I like one of my one of my goals this year was to host people more, and I definitely did that, so I'm excited to start doing more of that and like doing it in fun, interesting ways to get cool people together and have everyone get a good experience from it. I mean, this year was tough for me too, where I had a breakup at the beginning of the year, and I feel like that was one of the hardest challenges for me this year. And uh I was yeah, that was the probably that was one of the hardest challenges for me this year, versus like going into the new year. I I I'm you know, feeling like that's mostly resolved now, and like like being just being be therefore being able to just be comfortable more in myself than feeling like I'm grasping for something like that, you know?

SPEAKER_04 57:27

That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_05 57:30

I think we've reached the conclusion of this episode. We could go on though. Um, I've been enjoying the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Yeah, this was great.

SPEAKER_05 57:37

I do have some rapid fire for you. Okay. Let's see. What's your favorite place you've traveled to?

SPEAKER_00 57:43

Um, I tell everyone, my favorite place in the world is Santa Teresa, Costa Rica. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

That's on a happy place. I haven't been yet, but you would love it.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

I've been told. I must.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Yeah, you would love it. You might never come home.

SPEAKER_05 57:59

What's um what's one of your favorite books? You seem to be an avid reader, so.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Um I mentioned Wanting is really good, but I I read one recently which was extremely helpful for me. Uh, Letting Go by I think Richard Hawkins was the author. Um, once again, I mentioned what I was really struggling with, and it just it really shed light and made me understand what was going on on deeper levels, not just in relationships, in lot in many aspects of relationships, but everything, the way you you show up towards different things is somewhat similar. So that book was really helpful for me. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:37

What are three things that you do every day?

SPEAKER_00 58:40

I try to get 10,000 steps in a day. I try to do something movement related every single day, I try to practice gratitude every single day.

SPEAKER_05 58:49

What's the greatest advice you've ever received?

SPEAKER_00 58:52

A line from a song I love uh from Kanye West. And it's if you love yourself, you'll never be alone. I really like that line.

SPEAKER_05 59:02

I like it too. Who do you look up to the most?

SPEAKER_00 59:06

I read the surrender experiment, and that was so I mean not aspirational because I didn't want to live, I don't want to live a life like his personally.

SPEAKER_05 59:14

Al Michael Allen Singer.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

Yeah. I was just so blown away by his life, and you know, it the whole premise of the book is like how spiritual he was, and it's somehow the surrendering to life and all these things uh ended up for him, you know, having like a multi-billion dollar company and still having spirituality, something that was so important to him. And, you know, while so I don't know, that was like pretty amazing to me. I I still don't fully understand how that's possible, but uh I mean that was like incredible to read more than like uh you know, at this point in my life, like an Elon Musk, who I respect and admire, but wouldn't want his life. You know? Like someone who's like once again, going back to what I said, someone whose life is like solely business and relationships suffer to an extreme amount as a result, like that's not a life I desire.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

I would agree with you. I think the that being able to be in two worlds, right? The world of the spiritual and the world of the physical which we're in, um, and feeling whole in that is at least something one could say is a dream or a desire. How do you like your coffee in the morning?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Uh I drink it. I I I I never drink milk in my coffee. It's just black espresso, usually.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

You know why I'm asking you, right? I know you love to boast on your story how you take your coffee.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

I do, just black. It's great. I'm a simple man.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:53

It's great for the feed.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

It's it's either espresso or americano, that's really it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:58

I will have to try your coffee one day.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:59

Never iced. I can make you right after this.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:02

It's 4 p.m., I won't be able to sleep. I mean if you could give yourself a piece of advice before you started on this path, um what would you tell yourself? Um right before the guy that told you that you could make $45 on your phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

You know, it's so tough because I think that I guess this goes back to spiritual, like spirituality, but like I wouldn't have wanted my life to change anyway in the past. You know? Like the fact that um like how at least you know I was able to uh you know, pain or fear was a huge motivation of mine, and I was fixated on running from that for a very long time was extremely productive. Just was. And you need that at certain points of your life, right? I mean, yeah, maybe I didn't have the deepest connections or relationships, which like definitely was a a uh I I don't know, I don't want to say compromise, but like I don't know. I I think that like the fact that like I was able still to get to that at a very early age is amazing, and like now able to have the best of both worlds in many regards. So I don't know. I mean I I think like the advice like when you asked that, I thought you're gonna say the advice you give yourself now, which maybe you know I could say back then too, but it's just like not to take yourself too seriously. Um I think that's something maybe I uh I think I'm doing a better job with now. Um but sometimes I I I you know I don't know, especially like emotions. Like I like I it feels very like heavy, and I really admire people who feel like very like lighthearted, you know, that's something I really admire in people. Um because like I I do like emotionally let things weigh me down sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:09

Don't take yourself too seriously. Daniel, thank you for sharing your wisdom and understanding with us on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

Yeah, thank you, thank you for having me. It was a great great conversation.

unknown 1:03:20

Thanks.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:21

Thanks for tuning in to Be Nasis.