Binah of Golda Joseph: Regenerative Living From Cell to Soul

There are people who study health, and then there are people who spend a lifetime studying what it means to be fully human. Dr. Golda is one of them.

Born to Holocaust-survivor parents and raised on a chicken farm in New Jersey, Dr. Golda's path has taken her through the worlds of psychology, nutrition, spirituality, meditation, expressive arts, and conscious human development. For more than fifty years, she has explored the relationship between body, mind, and soul, helping people regenerate from the inside out.

In this fascinating conversation, we explore her groundbreaking Circle of Time, a map of human development that reveals how we evolve through stages of physical, psychological, spiritual, and transpersonal growth. We discuss intuition, psychosomatic healing, conscious parenting, the four temperaments, meditation, and the ways our early experiences shape our lives.

We also dive into regenerative living, from cell to soul. Dr. Golda shares her perspective on nutrition, longevity, stress, hormones, and what she believes modern healthcare is often missing. Along the way, she offers profound insights into the Seven Levels of the Will and how we move from impulse and striving into alignment, mastery, and purpose.

This is a conversation about wholeness, human potential, and the lifelong journey of becoming who we were meant to be.

Thank you, Dr. Golda, for sharing your wisdom with us on Binah Says!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_04 0:46

Thank you for inviting me.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

So we're here to reveal your wisdom. And I know we've had many chats. There's so much wisdom to reveal. We have to contain the Golda. I know your background stems in very various areas from regenerative health, holistic health, expressive art therapy, where science meets spirituality. So I would love to do a deeper dive into all the different frameworks and systems that you've studied and that you teach now. How does that sound to you?

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Sounds great. Amazing. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

So I want to start our conversation with the question: if someone is feeling disconnected from their body, their purpose, their inner voice, where should they begin?

SPEAKER_04 1:38

In the present moment. So what what we do is breathe and which is what we get what we're always doing, but it's also bringing the awareness into the present so that we can connect the mind, the body, the soul, and the spirit with the environment that they're in. Um in a session, so I do a technology that I call the regeneration method. I it's a psychosomatic uh tools, and I use expressive art therapy to actually help people to integrate the presenting issues, whether they're personal, professional, relationship-based, uh, vocational. So that's where we begin. We begin in the moment, we take a breath, and then I ask my clients uh to scan their body, to sense in what they are feeling, and then give me a presenting issue, begin telling this story.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

And you've been doing this work for over five decades. Yes, I have. And and how did you get into this world?

SPEAKER_04 2:57

Well, I came in this way, so I I uh was a conscious clairvoyant since the crib, and I had these natural, intuitive, imaginative, inspirational faculties, and my family with concentration camp survivors, both my mother and father, who were first cousins, and I could sense and feel energy and see what was happening even before I could speak. So have a recollection of that. From there I went through normal school, uh, you know, elementary, uh, junior high, with that awareness still intact. At a very young age, I realized I was different, and I began to uh speak about what I saw and felt energy fields and you know, telepathy, different uh faculties, innate faculties that I believe every child has. Um and when I spoke about it, um my mother basically said, You're stupid, you're crazy, that doesn't exist. So I stopped talking about it. And very even, you know, like the first five years of life, I was drawing, I was acting, I uh I knew that I had something different, and uh I was able with that uh to uh begin to understand what we today call the spiritual world.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Wow. So you were experiencing something that at the time you were too young to understand, and when you tried to express it, you know, there was not the support that you would have hoped for coming from family. So how did that change your life?

SPEAKER_04 5:03

Well, I I learned not to talk about what I saw and felt. Um my first grade teacher acknowledged it, and and she said, Well, why don't you draw what you see? Which was brilliant. Um, that was before I could spell or read or write, because I was slow to do those things, because I lived in a very kind of imaginative realm. And so I would start to draw the color that I saw around her, and that was really the first recognition that that I had that I could see that way. I think most children can, but they don't talk about it because, like I was relatively judge or misunderstood because it was not physical.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Was it something you could turn on and off, or was it just always on?

SPEAKER_04 5:57

Uh as a child, I couldn't turn it on and off. I didn't really learn to turn it off. Well, I learned to not talk about it and to draw, and then when I learned to write, to write, and to paint, and to sculpt, and to act. So that's what I did with it until the age of 11 when the corpus callosum connected, and I began to be uh to be able to use other like nor normal faculties, reading, writing, speaking, uh, you know, that others could understand, and I didn't share the intuitive, telepathic knowledge, or I just allowed it to be expressed as a creative child, and then ended up with uh going into art education, and then at the age of 21, I moved into really on a professional level, beginning to study Jungian psychology with an expressive art therapist in the Bay Area, and ended up at the California Institute of Integral Studies, where I got a double master's in East-West Psychology and Marriage, Family and Child Counseling. And there we explored all different forms of humanistic and transpersonal psychology. I met a Buddhist nun whose name is Dr. Rena Sirkar, who brought Vipassana meditation to America, and she taught me how to close down some of the faculties that I had through mindfulness practices and extensive meditation work and where I studied Buddhist psychology very deeply and understood that I wasn't crazy anymore, and that I had these natural faculties. I actually realized it at the age of 13 when I ran away from home, and I went to, I ran away from home, guided by God, to the Bodhi Tree bookstore that had an open house that day. And when I opened the door and crossed the threshold, I realized, oh my goodness, this is a bookstore. And then it was full of ancient wisdom and teachings, and the teachers that came before the 1960s. This was 1965. So it was it was very early, yet there was libraries full of wisdom, such as uh Ledbetter's work on the chakras, Dr. Rudolf Steiner's work on spiritual science, the Buddha, Christ, all of that. So I wasn't crazy anymore because I had found a resource that was quite exciting and took me on this journey.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Sounds like my kind of bookstore.

SPEAKER_04 9:07

Oh, you would have loved it. It was the first New Age bookstore in Los Angeles. So Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Do you do you think the majority of people today suppress their intuitive nature that we're born with?

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Well, I think today it's um more mainstream than it was in the 1960s. Um really, I the 1970s, I think, were really the beginning of this kind of integration of mind-body therapies, uh, conscious spirituality. I was at the California Institute of Integral Studies in the third year of its development. So we already had many teachers coming through, and obviously many spiritual traditions. So uh there's a long history of the institute, but I worked directly with Dr. Haridas Chowdhury, who was the founder who came from the Sri Arabindo ashram in India, and his mission was to integrate Eastern teachings with Western transpersonal teachings. So that takes us back to the early 1970s. And Alan Watts and you know uh those those that came before me were already awakening in the 1960s. So my generation, the baby boomers, were really, I think, at the beginning of this re-emergence, because uh many teachers, such as Dr. Rudolf Steiner, was the late 1800s, early 1900s.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Wow. Are you still in touch with these faculties today?

SPEAKER_04 10:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

And how how have you maintained them, you know, since a young age, which is something I think is very rare?

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Yes. Well, I was gifted uh to have the opportunity to become an artist. So that was a really important piece of my development, both um uh through painting, sculpting, dancing. There was a lot going on in the Bay Area, so there were there, so I I didn't feel strange anymore. I left home at the age of 19, moved to San Francisco where it was happening. There was an awakening at every level during the Vietnam War, and I didn't feel crazy anymore. Actually, I studied from the age of 13, so I had already a large bibliography in my cells of both Eastern and Western traditions that enabled me to maintain those faculties and cultivate them up until today.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Do you believe connecting to our intuition is trainable? And how do you think more people can awaken that connection?

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Uh absolutely, I believe that intuition is is uh it is an art and a science. So um, well, I I teach uh this regeneration method, which is really to awaken intuitive faculties, the higher faculties. So intuition uh is it lives in the solar plexus, it comes from here, the belly, your gut from the gut.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Okay, your gut.

SPEAKER_04 12:43

Exactly. You say some, you ask somebody a question, and and they and they say, I feel, and and they usually point either to their heart or to their gut. So I have a gut, I have a gut feeling about that. So intuition is in the in the solar plexus. Inspiration comes from the heart, and imagination is comes from the throat center and the third eye center. So we are all born with energy centers that the Hindu ancient teachings and as well as Kabbalah and other schools speak about the chakras. So you can develop the chakra system through different exercises, through empathic wisdom is what I call it. So you can begin to really look at your own story through gesture, sound, movement, visualization, dramatization. You can develop intuition through the inner work, meditation, breath work, postural integration, many, many, many schools of how to become more sensitive to your bodies.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

As someone who's practiced meditation for decades, what do you think most people misunderstand about meditation?

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Uh, they you need a certain um preparation for good meditation. So it's not just observing your thinking and your feeling or your breath, or you know, a lot of people have a hard time with meditation because you have to get into a mood. And and that mood includes reverence, awe, right? It has different qualities to it. So you have to cultivate those qualities and prepare the vehicle, the body, the mind, for a deep meditation practice. So there actually are tools to develop. And like I said, you can open up the chakra system back to the intuition that connects us through meditation to looking at the what is missing. So we all come in with this chakra system, and in ancient India, the gurus could read their bodies. So they had these intuitive faculties from the beginning of time. We were actually more intuitive. Gradually we came down into form, we got very materialistic, back to you know, Rome. We became very hardened, we had different epochs that we've gone through, ancient India, Persia, Egypt, right, Greek, Rome. Now we are in what's called the fifth post-Atlantean epoch. So what is happening is humanity is crossing the threshold. Humanity is awakening, just like a conversation like we had today, and what we see around us. I mentioned earlier, there's a billion people who have crossed the threshold. There's a billion people on this planet that that are doing some form of yoga or meditation. Just wrap your head around that. That's huge. You know, we all think we're by ourselves, that we're alone, and you know, but uh in fact, there are many schools of meditation, but I believe that pre preparation is of value, and that's through really opening up those faculties of being able to see clear seeing, clear, clairsentience, clear audience, right, clear listening, being able to hear, uh using your natural faculties, but also opening up to the inner voice that we talked about. And then obviously, you know, uh claire, clear everything, because the heart is the center. The heart is the fourth chakra. The heart opens, there's six, there's 12 petals of the heart. Six of them are what we would do call the six basic exercises that open the heart in preparation for uh meditation. So there are a lot, there are a lot of tools. There's a science. You know, the Buddha had the science, Steiner had a science, Kabbalah has a science. We all um we all have these different states of consciousness, and it's really about practicing and both the art and the science of meditation.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

I I personally want to go deeper into my own meditation practice. I know maybe you can help me with that.

SPEAKER_04 18:15

I hope so. I would love to do that.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

And I think if more of us meditated and made it more of a daily practice, and um I think the world would be a little bit a better place. Yeah. Where do the the Eastern and the Western philosophies collide and where do they kind of come together?

SPEAKER_04 18:33

If we look at the history of the ages, uh the uh Buddha obviously uh was um uh came from before um the Western philosophers. Uh we have uh Hinduism, right, which is the uh awareness of the chakra system, and so there's so it's more like a continuum, I think, between those Eastern teachings. Uh some people believe in Atlantis. So in the Bible we talk about the flood and then and then Adam and Eve, right? Uh so we're we're kind of going all the way back to ancient mystery schools, which are there are many that uh both uh streams developed. You've got the ancient Indian stream, you've got the ancient Chinese, and then you've got the ancient Western esoteric philosophies, Judaism, Christianity, and now Holism.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

What is holism?

SPEAKER_04 19:45

Well, I think we're living in a very interesting time. In many ways, uh I I established the first holistic medical centers in the Bay Area with my husband, and at that point, so that's 1970s, and we were already looking at how are we, how is the mind, body, and soul or and spirit connected? And that I would say is kind of the root of holism, but also how are those four faculties, the physical, the emotional, the mental, and the spiritual, connected to the planetary and so the cosmos as well as to the earth's evolution.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

And so, how long were you in the Bay Area working in this holistic health industry?

SPEAKER_04 20:42

I was there for 22 years. So, a long time. So I yeah, I got a double master's in East-West Psych and Marriage, Family, and Child Counseling with a transpersonal emphasis, a doctorate in nutrition, and it was really the beginning of mind-body medicine. I worked uh with uh this Buddhist nun, Dr. Sirkar, and uh she taught the ancient teachings of the Buddha, which included a practice called the 32 parts of the body meditation, what today we would call uh body-mind connection. So if we go back again, I think ancient Hindu, I mean, I'm more familiar with Hinduism, Chinese medicine, and Buddhism, kind of being the roots of the Western philosophers, and then that goes back, you know, Greek times, um, Persian times, Egyptian times. So, you know, you can really look at both streams, the Eastern and the Western. They both have a really strong historical background in looking at the whole person and the earth. So for me, it's the beginning of time from which we come. And uh you and I are studying the Kabbalah together now, and as we learn those stories in the Old Testament, we we really can see that they're archtipal. It's the nature of being human. We all are we all have archetypal patterns that have been defined by people like uh Jung. So I mean I think uh C. G. Jung, Dr. Jung was the beginning of like naming the archetypes for our times. Obviously, those archetypes have always lived in in humanity from the beginning of time.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

So um and I know we've talked about this framework that you've put together called the circle of time. Can you share a little bit with us about what that is about?

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Sure, I'd love to. So it's based on Dr. Rudolf Steiner's work of human development. So I I make a lot of references to Steiner because he was a polymath, uh, died in 1925, left 350 volumes, 6,500 lectures. Really, he was a conscious clairvoyant and was able to look into what's called the Akashic Records or the script that revolves around the earth that explains everything that has happened into the history of humanity. And so I think one of the major contributions is understanding both who we are as cosmic beings, how we're connected to the planetary periodity cycles, which I talk about in circle of time. Also, I look at the number system and then the developmental phases that Steiner taught that are come from far back, I found them in the Upanishads. And in the Upanishads, it talks about the seven-year cycle. I think the same in the Kabbalah and many other mystery schools. So we're looking at the seven-year cycles, and in the Upanishads, it talks about the chakra system and how it evolves from every seven years. So it goes up the back of the spine to 49 and then back down to the end of life, 90 plus. And that is a developmental model that really connects to the rhythms of the cosmos. So the seven-year cycle comes from the planet known as Saturn. Most of us have heard about the Saturn return, the 28-year cycle. So in circle of time, I'm looking at the seven-year cycle, the 12-year cycle that connects to vocation, the 18 and a half-year cycle, which was known in Egyptian times as the sorrow cycle. So we in Egyptian times we time, we are all time being, Kronos, and in Egypt they looked at the rhythm of the moon. So the moon comes back in your birth chart every 18 and a half years, which the Egyptians said that is when the door to heaven opens. Then the big cycles that most people have heard about are the 21-year cycles, which are the maturation cycles, which I speak about, and that is physical maturity, the first 21 years, psychological maturity, the second 21 years, spiritual maturity the next 21 years, and the last 21 years of, or what I call the quadrants of the circle is transpersonal maturity. And then we start new birth again at 84. But it really illustrates how there's a time and there's a developmental model that most people are missing to understand really what is what is how do we mature, how do we not get stuck in perpetual adolescence or any of the other phases or stages of the journey? And I feel like that's a major contribution, and I'm publishing Circle of Time at present, so I'm really excited about that. I have written it and taught it and uh explained it for many years, and I was kind of waiting until now for humanity to be ready to uh receive it.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Wow. So it sounds like every civilization had its own way of tracking our development as a human species and how that relates at a macro level with the universe and the cosmos and how everything is interconnected, nothing is really random, and there's a time for everything.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. I I would say it's both and. So it is both arch typical and as you're speaking, uh you know, through different maps of consciousness and different times, but on the other side, it's very individualized. So we've talked about like the four temperaments, you know, like your specific way of interpreting reality. It's very unique, as unique as we are, as special as we each are, it is the same with these cycles, but this is an art typical map so that you understand whether it's an introverted phase or an extroverted phase, so you can understand where your child's development, if you're a parent, or your partner's development based on what age they are. So, what I did with the circle is I created something called an age interpretation method. So, based on your age, I know a whole lot about you because I know where you are.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

So, what would you tell me about me in my phase now, being 29 years old?

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Yeah, so you're in a very powerful phase. Uh as I spoke earlier, the Saturn returns every 28 years in your birth chart. Saturn is the planet of new beginnings, total transformation. So, and I and it's it's relative, so it's not exactly 28 years. The cycle has a beginning, a middle, and an end. So I say from like 27 and a half to 29 and a half, 27 to 30, something like that. You're in this transition phase where you who you were the first 28 years is done. And I and I I know that you're getting married, starting a new life, you know, so it's very appropriate that now you're entering a whole new phase of your journey.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

You heard it here first. This is uh live announcement, yes. Um, and so where were you in your life at my age?

SPEAKER_04 29:40

I um had my first daughter at 31. And I fit at the age of I guess 30, 29, 30. I decided I would become a professional parent. I wanted to be a conscious parent. So I had my free years and as I spoke, my the institute from 21 to like 26. And then I ended up going into organization development, facilitating CEOs, going from being an intuitive healer of the body, soul, and spirit into corporate America, which was really interesting. And so that was a major transition for me. I marry I was married at 24, and uh we uh opened our first holistic health center at the age of 30. So I also entered uh the training of Waldorf Education. I don't know if you've ever heard of Waldorf Education, but Rudolf Steiner left uh trainings, many, in different fields, and in education, he was hired by the Waldorf Astoria to educate the employees. So he was lecturing to the employees of the original Waldorf Astoria factory that made cigars, and the parents came to him and said, Can you please educate our children? And so he created the first Waldorf school based on that developmental model that we're talking about in circle of time. So every child at a certain age, so developmentally you're born, at the age of seven, you're either losing your teeth or if you've lost your teeth. At the age of 14, you're hitting puberty, and then that continues. So you can see physiologically every seven years the changes, and he speaks of it as the child child's changing consciousness. So we at between 28 and 30, you're asking about my life at 29. I was in the midst of moving from being an intuitive healer, massage therapist, counselor, you know, teacher, uh, to uh preparing for motherhood. And I ended up doing 15 years of uh Waldorf teacher training. I never went into the classroom, but I studied and I taught other moms because it was missing. Everybody tells you get married, nobody tells you about the developmental phases of a marriage, which I also have developed, and nobody talks about the development, healthy development of the child. I found Rudolf Steiner's work, obviously, there's Piaget and Erickson and you know, kind of the traditional psychology people, but it didn't have the same depth as what Steiner did through the Waldorf school system, so that was really that transition. And at the same time, we established the first holistic health centers in the Bay Area, one in San Francisco, one in San Rafael. So I had I was pregnant, uh, new clinics, uh, you know, you were doing a lot. At at the burgeoning moment of our times. Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 33:31

Very very, very grateful for that.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

You mentioned being a conscious parent. What does that mean exactly?

SPEAKER_04 33:37

Well, number one, it's understanding yourself and where you are, and having the ability to really uh not project your mother-father dynamic into your marriage or into your family. So it really starts with self-awareness. Um, Steiner talks about the seven conditions, and I think I would apply that here. So the first condition is self-care, the second condition is empathy, self-empathy toward yourself, empathy toward others. The third is that thoughts and feelings are real, the fourth is that boundaries are essential, and that you so for you to know where you begin and end, the fifth is really looking at how do you make decisions, uh, the and the sixth is gratitude, and the seventh is a combination of all six. So applying those seven conditions to yourself first and then to your family is essential. Also, uh, one of the core pieces of the puzzle for me was understanding the four temperaments. That comes from Greek medicine that Steiner brought into the classroom to really look and understand your temperament first, whether it's fire, choleric, air, which is sanguine, melancholic, which is earth, or phlegmatic, which is water. And in Greek times, that's the way physicians diagnosed a client.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Wow.

unknown 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

So you can learn developmentally where is the child, where are you, where's your husband or your partner, how, uh, what is your temperament, uh, what is your specific age, and the psycho-somatic, psychospiritual meaning of that age. And then from there, many, many tools, you know, that we can integrate from different schools of wisdom, such as Kabbalah.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

So it's first understanding yourself. Yeah. And you mentioned how you make decisions.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

Yeah, it's the fifth condition, and there are there's a system uh that I work with clients on, and I use a three-day process. So it's beginning with what is living in you, what is the presenting issue, what is the story behind that condition. What do you bring to it? Only five to ten percent maximum of the decisions that we make are conscious, which is really interesting, right? That means that 95-90% of what and how you make a choice is really based on the unconscious, um the earlier programs on what your cultural upbringing, what your, you know, all of the learning that you've done up until that point, how that is affecting your decision making. So um, and then there's a process uh that I take people through, which is a three-day process. Once they've made a decision, let's say in a session, I have them sleep on it and revisit it before they actually take action to digest what does it mean to them to take it into the spiritual world when we go to sleep at night, to come back, to see what is presented over that three-day period before they take action. So that it's not an impulsive decision. It is a decision that has depth and breadth and understanding before we speak it. And I think it's really valuable to allow yourself to digest what does it mean to you? Because often an impulsive decision is um done out of forces that maybe are harmful.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

So all of this I would say falls under the broader category of inner work. How important is it for each and every one of us to be doing this inner work? And what even is inner work? It's something that we talk about a lot, but maybe for someone that hasn't heard about it, how would you define it?

SPEAKER_04 38:25

Ooh, that's big. Yeah. So uh inner work, there are many, many ways to access your inner self. Uh, in essence, it's always happening. It's more about, I think, consciousness is is that you're consciously choosing to look inside. Again, you can do that through meditation, you could do that through journaling, you could do that through the arts, you could do that through breath work. That you know, there are so many different now mainstream tools, but it really is through your self-understanding. We're kind of back to condition number one. Who am I? And how do I bring who I am to others? Cultivating empathy, for example, is a huge piece of the puzzle. So we're always doing it, we're always doing inner work. It's just what level of consciousness are you at where you can see your, I call it the multidimensional being that you are. Because there's many parts of you. I also do that through the regeneration method that I teach and practice. So I'm sure you know the Russian doll. This is a good way to share it with people as well, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:52

I wish we had one.

SPEAKER_04 39:53

Yeah, I do. I have one at home. But yeah, next time we're together, I'll bring her. And so you have the Russian doll has six to ten different dolls within the core doll. And so our outer self is the gro is the outer self. But when you start peeling back the layers, many speak of it as layers of an onion, but the doll is really amazing as a teaching tool to go, who is the inner self? In essence, the inner self is the little one. Who were you inside your mother's womb? That inner self is still living in you. So you, you know, many people do inner child work to access their inner self. So there are dimensions to it. Many people do therapy, many people go on spiritual pilgrimages. There's many ways to access it. Obviously, meditation is a big way because you're just sitting with yourself observing the present moment. And in that, you begin to realize, well, there's some, there's an inner voice. There, there are different dimensions to who I am. And each one of those dolls, we can put them, I actually do that in therapy sessions. So it's more like theater. It's like that part of you has that memory and that experience. If you step out of that part and you look at her, you see something else. Often I say, so how old is she? Because that little one, the memory that you have unconsciously from being five years old when somebody said you're a bad girl, for example, right? Or you got hit, or something, you you have to digest that, but often we don't. That's what we call trauma, right? Is that there's memories that are housed in the soma, in the body that are that we can access. So that type of work enables us to begin to open the door to the inner you, to those different dimensions that bring you into the present moment.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

I know as a healer, you've done extensive work, you know, in the human body, and where have you seen people holding the most trauma in their physical body from their past experience?

SPEAKER_04 42:36

So I'm gonna I'm gonna speak that the same way that I did the other question, is as unique as you look, that's as unique as those what I call toxic imprints are. And so why are they toxic imprints? So we all have numerous bodies or numerous experiences in this lifetime that came in through sound, gesture, movement, visualization, the drama of life, the environment that we're in, the culture that we come from, etc. Right? So here we are, we your unique self has that memory. You know, they've never found memory in the body. It's really interesting. There's no central place of memory. And that's kind of that really speaks to what you're asking me.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

So it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

It's different for everyone. I'd say often it's the heart, right? Is the what we we remember when we had a broken heart, when we had a severe loss. But I use the hands as the way for me to help the client understand what how What is it? Show me, I say, scan your body from head to toe. After they tell me the story, and we have a matching picture and they make a wish, which we could talk about. And then I say, okay, so show me in your body what it's doing to you. Scan your body from head to toe. They'll find an area of the body where it feels dark or dense or heavy or painful, or they have an injury, or they have an illness or a mass or whatever. And we can enter into that place of the body. And then we add rather than just living with it on the inside, we take it from the inside and we bring it out. And we use the hands to start, and then I have you gesture it with your whole body, and then I ask you to step out of it and to see it. The tool is called Enter, Exit, and Behold. And I I mean I've I've facilitated thousands of people, and no one ever said, I don't see anything. Everyone sees something, and they see themselves often in a younger age. Often, not always, sometimes it's a present tense experience, and so they'll see themselves in this age, but they're just by stepping out of it, they begin to observe their inner world through the higher three faculties that you and I have spoken of: imagination, inspiration, and intuition. You can't see any of those, but you also can't see a feeling or a thought. Show me a feeling. Show me a thought. Isn't that amazing? And we all think and we all feel and we all know that thoughts and feelings are real, even if we cover them up, bury them, they can be revealed.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Exactly. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

And I know that Steiner talked a lot about how thinking is one of like our senses, a major organ of perception.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

So doing that inner work uh allows us to tap more into that organ of how our thoughts are influencing our feelings, our physical body.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

Yeah, where do thoughts come from? We have them constantly. And it's you know what Steiner is saying is also ancient wisdom because you look at uh vipassana meditation or what the Buddha taught, and it's all about observing the mind, observing the thinking, observing the feelings. Not, I mean, when you sit many, many hours a day, so I've facilitated many 10-day silent retreats with Rina, and you sit for 14 to 16 hours, your body has pain in it, but you observe the pain. You don't become it. And the pain is a lesson, pain is a messenger, right? The body is a messenger, it reflects everything. So that's why I use psychosomatic expressive art therapy as the primary tool versus just talking heads. So there's a place to talk, there's a place to counsel and give advice, to coach, to consult. But that is a limitation in our times, even studying, reading, or learning scripture, whatever it is, it's really what is living behind the intellect. So this separation between mind and body is very rapidly transforming over the last 60 years of study for me. It was very esoteric, and I was really on the fringe for a very long time. And now that I've come back to America after 20 years of living in Panama, I'm like, your generation is completely conscious. And I would say there's a trillion people on earth that are consciously practicing these tools to access their inner self and transform those toxic imprints so that they can evolve. Because as long as you're stuck in those imprints, you're stuck in those patterns, you're you're they're running you. Back to what Ariel was speaking about is like we're only conscious, and science knows this, five, ten percent of what reality is. So it's really a uh we're now everybody's doing trauma therapy. Twenty years ago when I left, nobody was talking about trauma therapy. I went to Europe to study uh psychosomatic expressive art therapy with somebody who uh studied Steiner's work. So my work is really based on that. But it really is in the soma. It's and then how do you get to it? Well, often through nonverbal tools. It's really important that we not just keep, you know, thinking, thinking, thinking, but thoughts are spiritual activities.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

I remember talking to my dad and asking him what he thought was more powerful, a thought, our thought or our action. And we had we disagreed, you know, in a in a collaborative way, but he believed that actions hold more power than thoughts. And my view was that without thought we cannot act. So our thoughts are the seed level of our action, that's what Kabbalah teaches us. So if we can actually control our thoughts, then we can control our actions. But without our thoughts, we cannot even act.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

But then his point was the amount of energy it takes to actually go from thought to action is so high and so great that the action itself is more powerful than the thought. So two different viewpoints. I think both have their place in the world. What what is your take?

SPEAKER_04 50:33

So I do both. So I'm very eastern in my thinking or in my perception of reality. So I do start with talk, I do start with what do you feel and think, and then I'm and that that's called the conversation phase. Because there's a place for it. That's your story. In order for you to trust me and for me to attune with your experience, because you're the expert of your own experience. I'm not the expert of your experience. I have a toolkit that's basically I've developed myself, I'm you know, and studied many, many different schools and practiced. But thinking, I mean, in in Buddhism, thinking is core. You observe the thought, but then when the thoughts go away, there's this open space that is very transformative. We go to sleep at night, we're not thinking, right? So that's that's the next dimension. What where are we going? As far as the transformational work goes, I I would agree with your dad. It's also kind of like a male-female thing, right? Because the thinking is more of a masculine, like intellect, that side of the brain hemisphere, that part of the person. So we really need to understand our thoughts, but it really is in order to change it, we need to take action. So my work is action therapy. What I'm describing to you is okay, show me what it's doing to you. Metabolize it, show me in your body, because without the action, it remains there. So you can think about it and know lots and lots of stuff and study all these different systems, but you still are left with that imprint that is living in the body. So you have to do both mind, body. You can't separate the two. You know, Westerners are either or. That's our consciousness, that's the way, that's our philosophy, that's the way we're trained. In the East, it's both and. So I'm more Eastern in my thinking, I would say. So I I would agree with both you and your father.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

I remember I went to India about a year ago and I saw an Ayurvedic doctor. Oh, and it was a very interesting experience. I think she had me uh give her my uh wrist, and just by touching me, like with her two fingers, she knew I was deficient in some vitamin R. And I was so shocked by this. You know, it was a much a much more intuitive um uh session, let's say, a relationship between a doctor and a patient. And it's very different from seeing a doctor here in the United States. And I know you have a lot of experience with this in the medical world. So, what do you think is the biggest missing piece in our current healthcare system? Well, talking about the body, the mind, the spirit, and how it all connects, how are we not bringing this more into our current healthcare system?

SPEAKER_04 53:53

Well, that's that's a major crisis for our times. I call it fragmentation. And uh we're really uh medicine is brilliant, and in and you have all these specialties, and that that actually goes into many different fields. Everybody is specialized, but we as a human being are not isolated and specialized, we are whole. So, medicine, I mean, that art that you're describing, you know, the Chinese take pulses. I'm not as familiar with uh Ayurvedic diagnosis, but when you say she touched your wrist, I think she could probably feel certain frequencies uh of at that place in your body, because that's what how Chinese medicine doctors read the body, so it might be very similar with Ayurveda. But you know, I love uh conventional medicine for uh its specialization when you need a surgery or when you have a chronic degenerative disease that needs diagnosis and all the machines, and I mean it's absolutely brilliant. But the intervention needs to be lifestyle. So we know that you know more than 75% of any condition is lifestyle related. 25% is the physiology, the biology, the biochemistry, which you know I do a lot about. So I do labs. I look at the neuroendrocine system, I look at the cortisol, the DHEA, the hormones, and the underlying amino acids that are really governing the system. The other piece I look at is chronobiology, which again ties back into the circle of time. But we have every cell of the body has a clock. Every organ, every system, we have the HPA axis, hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenal axis, which pretty much governs our daily circadium rhythm. It governs our monthly cycle, you know, and so you have these very time-oriented uh functions that have been validated through chronobiology, that that, and many of the sciences, I mean, that is a science that you know doctors have evaluated. Many of them are holistic. Many of them look at, when you think about that, but every MD knows all of this. I mean, I read the their biochemistry books, they know all of this, but when you read that, you see it's very, it's named, it's compartmentalized into a system and a function, but it's missing the human element. Because how do emotions, how do feelings, how do thoughts contribute to a chronic degenerative disease? I mean, obviously, we have genetics as well. So, you know, there are different levels and there's geneticists. So when we look at medicine today, it's extremely evolved, and I think more and more and more doctors, especially in your generation, are looking at the whole person, and they even now are going to teach nutrition to doctors. Imagine that. Exciting. Isn't that exciting? Yeah. And I'm pretty current on the Maha movement, Make America Healthy Again. So our current administration has got lots of people like me meeting ongoingly. I actually sat on the board of NIH and was one of the doctors that established complementary and alternative health care system within NIH, which is being reignited in our times. It's very exciting to me. So to really look at, you know, how these different schools of medicine now are integrating. Chiropractic is has gone up and down, but you know, have physical medicine, structural medicine has always been around, you know, lots of different systems in medicine. Homeopathy, that that also is being mainstreamed again, never left India and Europe, but that's energy medicine. So, you know, when we talk now about medicine, it's a I think that the more and more of the holistic integrated functional systems, uh, you know, biological systems, those pro approaches are being integrated. And currently that's what I'm working on.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

That's exciting.

SPEAKER_04 59:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Can you tell us a little bit about your company that you have?

SPEAKER_04 59:18

Yes, yes. Well, I'm I'm uh at a point in my life, and I think that that uh it it is a point of time that this fragmentation is ready to be resolved. And so what I'm I'm doing is a new system of medicine that I am calling human regulatory intelligence. So I'm looking at the neuroendorkin system, but I'm also looking at these other systems, such as Circle of Time and the Regeneration Method, psychology for freehood. So I'm looking at how do we measure and monitor the whole person, all 12 dimensions of what does it mean to be human, and beginning to apply that to large systems change. So it's very exciting to me. I've spent the last nine months researching and developing what I'm now calling the human regulatory system that integrates all these different schools, including, you know, biological medicine, systems biology, uh, and chronobiology and nutrition, obviously. So you can't, so I think we are at a point, a juncture where we really now are going to need a system where the new generations are no longer looking at compartmentalizing just one organ because the heart has many dimensions, for example. So, but not everyone is going to adopt that. We still are gonna need surgeons or machines that provide surgery when you need it. It's phenomenal, right? So rather than fragmentation and separation, we're gonna move more and more into integration in order for regeneration to occur. And that also connects with regeneration of the planet and creating new ecosystems and ways of living together that are not fragmented, isolated.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

I love that topic.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

When people talk about regeneration, a lot of the times they just focus on the physical, but I know that you mean something much deeper. So, your what would your definition of regenerative be?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

So I I put regeneration on a continuum. So I again coming back from the 70s, I worked with Donald Ardell and established the wellness movement, and he that was a breakthrough. It was you used to be, you know, health, health, disease and health, and he went from what wellness going beyond health. So now I'm looking at regeneration beyond regeneration. So which I just spoke about is is is rhythm, regulation, regeneration. But regeneration has a scale, and so we can put you on the scale of from degeneration to regeneration. So we can look at that on the planetary level. So the planet we know is degenerating. All the you know, lots of species are becoming extinct. You we have lots of issues in the water, in the air, in the soil. Your lifestyle is very fragmented, isolated lifestyle, which, like what we experienced through COVID, was was you know very, very painful and alienating for many and killed many. So we have to really reimagine what would a regenerative society look like. So, beginning with, we need to regenerate the soil, we need to regenerate the water, we need to regenerate family systems, we need to generate regenerate societies because there if we don't regenerate the body, the soul, the spirit, humanity, societies, the earth, it will continue to degenerate. So regeneration is huge to me. When I established it, so I I I own regeneration.com, you know, which is of course I do, right? I'm Bay Area Girl, right? And and and from that time, you know, of be here now, you know, with Ramdas and and all of my friends who were in the Bay Area, who were like Richard Brand and this one and that one, then we were all like starting this whole new wave of understanding our ecosystem and how to create what I'm calling a salutagenic humane ecosystem.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:32

Wow. So Salutagenesis was a science that was developed by an MD researcher named Aaron Antonaski in Israel. And what he did is he studied women who were survivors of the concentration camps, and he wanted to look at why did they survive and where you know others didn't. And what he found was what he called salutagenesis. So what he what they were focused on, and what he was focused on, is what does it mean to be healthy, versus what do I do about this disease? So salutagenesis looks at how many, as we've been talking today, you know, not home not homostasis, but heterostasis is that we have all these multiple divisions and faculties and systems, and which makes us heterogeneous. The other major principle in salutogenesis is the theory of coherence. How do all these systems work together? And so that system ended up being a whole new philosophy that is now applied to health, education, society. Many, many, many schools of thought. It's more known in Europe, um, obviously, Israel, and it is a real uh a real blessing to be able to not look at uh life through a disease model, not what is wrong with you and what but but what can you do to create health. So salutagenesis is a study of the creation of health.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

Wow. So many frameworks and systems that you've uh you know studied and that you're able to share with us, which is amazing and it inspires me to want to learn more about you know the giants, as you mentioned, the shoulders of the giants that we stand on and how we can build the the next future for our generation.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

It's exciting.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Yeah, I look forward to doing that together.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:54

Where do you see yourself in your circle of time right now? Where are you and what do you look forward to?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:02

Well, uh I'm I'm in a a very exciting phase of life. Um I uh am ready to teach, to mentor, to train the next generation in all these different schools. Um and that's that to me uh is the next chapter uh in preparation for the metamorphosis and transformation that is inevitable to uh going from this physical uh expression of life to back to the spiritual expression uh of who I really am.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:44

And who is that? Who is Dr. Golda really?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

Wow, that's that's a big question. Uh I think what we just spoke about today gives the audience kind of a uh understanding of what is living in within me. But I've been a mother, I had three children, I've been a grandmother, I have four children, I had a 50-year marriage, uh, so I had a lot of great things in this lifetime, and I think that uh who I am is um a woman who has an opportunity, has had a golden life, so many opportunities to serve. So I've seen over a hundred thousand people. Um I think my next step is to reach millions uh through these new tools that we have, both through the AI platform that I'm developing as well as uh in service to others who are on this path.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:52

That's amazing. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us on Bina Says. And I know there's so much more that we could have talked about. This is what the universe wanted to flow through our conversation today, but I hope to dive more deeper into different topics in the future with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:10

I'm sure we will, and I'm sure we will create a solidogenic, humane community in the future.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:19

I would love to. Thanks for tuning in to be now says. Thank you. All right, thank you, Johnny. That's our wrap thanks, Eris.