The Bible Exalted! 028 Open Discussion on The End of the World

The Bible Exalted! is a podcast program that seeks to uplift the word of God which is being highly exalted at this time. Each episode explores both sides of a doctrine, examining how one passage of Scripture may seem to teach one truth while another points in a different direction. Through careful study, the program seeks to uncover the harmony of the Bible as a whole, showing which understanding aligns with the full testimony of Scripture.


"...rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

About Panel Speakers:

Chris McCann:
Chris grew up in Philadelphia. Like many of God’s elect, he was first raised in the ways of the world until God drew him to His Word, the Bible. With an earnest desire to study the Scriptures and uncover the mysteries hidden within them, Chris—together with others—founded the ministry of eBibleFellowship. The ministry is dedicated to faithfully proclaiming all that is written in the Word of God and striving to remain true to its teachings.

Bob Grande:
Bob was also raised in the Philadelphia area.  God drew him to be interested in studying the Bible in the early 1990's.  He attended church until 2001 and departed out after learning about the end of the church age. He is currently seeking to grow in the grace of God.


Gary Daniels:
Gary from Philadelphia: Gary grew up listening to both a faithful ministry that at the time declared the truth from the Bible for many years, but also was under the pentecostal church. God led him toward the truth and is thankful for God's mercy showing many truth's from the Bible

Karl von Harringa:
Karl was born and raised in Ohio, just outside of Columbus. From an early age, he was brought up under the hearing of the truth and developed an interest in the Bible. He grew up in a household where the Word of God was central.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

And now here's a pre-recording of an eBible Fellowship panel discussion. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to eBible Fellowships, the Bible Exalted Program. I'm your host, and today I'm your host, Gary Daniels, and today we're seeking the Bible's answers to various topics in which the Bible has the final say in the matter. Joining us today are our three panel speakers, Bob Grandy, Chris McCann, and Carl von Haringa. So welcome again, radio listeners and folks watching on Zoom, YouTube, and other platforms. This is a late start, and we apologize for our delay. Today's discussion is the end of the world. That's the end of the world. You can join us live on www.ebiblefellowship.org. You can click on the Zoom button or at a rebroadcast at a later time. This is a one and a half hour program. Around the half hour mark, we'll try to take your calls and we'll commence the one hour stream and then it will continue on for the bonus half hour. I'd like to hear your on-topic questions. So uh if you would like to speak on the subject, that's great. But we do ask that you stay on topic. So once again, today's topic is the end of the world. And we'll start with you, Bob.

SPEAKER_11 1:32

Hey, thanks, Gary. Uh hello, everybody. Yeah, um, I'd like to start with a very brief summary that we can elaborate on in the next uh hour, hour and a half. And I'd like to start way back at the beginning of time. Uh, for those that are not familiar with what God has uh revealed from the Bible about time. So going way back to the beginning, the earth and the rest of the universe was created by God in the year 11,013 BC, according to our Gregorian calendar. And we're currently in the year 2026, so that would be about 13,038 years ago. 6,023 years after creation, in the year 4990 BC, God saw mankind's wickedness and destroyed the earth the first time by bringing the flood of Noah's day. And we read about that in Genesis 7, verses 11 and 12. I'll read that. In the sixth hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened, and the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. And the water covered the uh this is not uh Bible verse, the water covered the entire earth, and everything that had the breath of life died. And then in 2 Peter 3, 6, God says, whereby the world that then was being overflowed with water perished. So we know that was the end of the first world. But God preserved life on the ark that Noah built and started all over again with Noah and his family. 4,983 years later, in the year 7 BC, Jesus Christ was born after the Virgin Mary was found to be with child by the Holy Ghost. And in 33 AD, after Jesus led the perfectly sinless life, he died on the cross and rose from the grave in order to demonstrate or make manifest or show forth that he had already made payment for his elect's sins at the foundation of the world, way back in eternity past. A few years later, after Jesus ascended into heaven, Paul the Apostle, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, addressed concerns that were already surfacing about the end of the world, as can be seen by this language in 2 Thessalonians 2, verses 1 and 2. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. And Paul continued by writing that two things had to occur first before God would begin the day of Christ, which in this context means the end of the world. The day of Christ means the end of the world. In second 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, verses 3 and 4, God says, Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day, the day of Christ, the end of the world, shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Number one, the falling away first has to do with the Holy Spirit abandoning all New Testament churches. And in the Greek word that talks about that is the apostasia. The day that this took place, according to the biblical calendar of history, was the day before Pentecost on May 21, 1988. That's that's number one. Number two, Satan is the spirit of Antichrist that was described in the first century, as we read in 1 John 4, verse 3. I'll read that. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. And this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is in the world. So back in the first century was already in the world. So the it or he that was to come was Satan, who came as the man of sin, the son of perdition, in 1988 to rule, to take a seat in the temple and be worshipped as if he were God in the churches. Actually, God allowed Satan and used him to take rulership over the entire corporate church as part of God's judgment on the churches for their rebellion against God and the truth of the Bible. The church age officially came to an end on September 7, 1994, when God sent the latter rain gospel all over the world in over 70 languages, but he did not include the corporate churches. He left them under judgment. The end of the church age marked the beginning of the end of the world, which is a period of time. In 1 Peter 4, 17, we read, For the time has come that judgment must begin at the house of God. That's the corporate church. And if it first begin at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? That's the people that are outside of the church. Okay, so biblical evidence is pointing now, we've we've come to understand that there's a 40-year inclusive period and process that will end in the year 2033, called the end of the world, uh, with with the destruction by fire, not only of this earth, but of this whole universe. And we discussed what would happen in our last program and at the end of February, uh, what would happen on the very last day before the destruction. God's elect that are still alive and remain on the earth physically will be raptured to heaven. And God's elect that have died physically will be resurrected to heaven with due spiritual bodies. All of God's elect will have immortal bodies that will live forever with Jesus Christ in the new heaven and new earth. So, bottom line is the timing, the discussion is going to be based around the timing of the end of the world, which biblical evidence is pointing to the year 2033.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Well said, Bob. Thank you for laying that out, especially when you talked about the beginning. Because Christ says, I am the Alpha and the Omega. And you know, if if if we're talking about the end, it's it's important to know that there's a beginning and and that God has laid out his scriptures and the the biblical timeline of history so we can faithfully talk about the end of the world. Because you can't talk about the end without understanding the beginning.

SPEAKER_09 9:35

That's the point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

Yeah, and and Amos um, I don't think he read this verse, but it says, Surely well, Proverbs 23 18 says, for surely there is an end, and thine expectations shall not be called. I know there is uh I know there's some group of people out there that are Christians that don't think there's an end to this world. They somehow think it's gonna go on forever because of that verse, world without end. But that verse right there basically completely contradicts what that idea is.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

If taken literally, I remember Mr. Camping did a debate, and I think um I forgot the name of the host, he was on CNN, he's a big time host and Larry King. Larry King.

SPEAKER_10 10:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

And the pastor, the pastor just kept saying, World without end, amen. And world without end, amen. And you know, on face value, it's a very strong club because it's it's quite practical and in your face, but it's not spiritual. It's it's literal. And uh the end of the world is spiritual, you know. And literal.

SPEAKER_07 10:44

He had the world, he had the wrong world. He when it says world without end, well, we know this world's gonna end, like like the verse Carl just read and and um 2 Peter 3 says in verse 10, but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heaven shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. So the there surely there is an end, and this describes the end as a fiery destruction. And therefore, if the Bible says and it does in a few places, world without end, amen, um we we have to harmonize, and and this this is um you know a key to coming to Bible truth is you have to look at everything the Bible says, and there has to be agreement with everything. And so if my idea is, well, this verse says world without end, and that means this world will never end or be destroyed, well then why does 2 Peter 3 tell me it's going to be destroyed with fire? Why? And you know, a lot of verses indicate the world will be destroyed. So there's no agreement, there's no harmony, and therefore I cannot hold that conclusion that this world will not be destroyed. Well, yeah, but the Bible is always true. God is never incorrect, he never makes a mistake or misspeaks. So it's a truth that the world, there's a world without an end, and then we look at the Bible. Which world? And that would be the new earth and the new heaven that God will create forever. Uh, the meek will inherit the earth, that new eternal creation will never have an end. And and and so that's the meaning of those statements. Not this world, but that world to come. Does that harmonize with everything?

SPEAKER_11 13:29

Yeah.

unknown 13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 13:30

If you if you keep reading in verse 13, it it talks about that world without end.

unknown 13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:38

Uh nevertheless, we according to his promise look for new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.

SPEAKER_11 13:48

It doesn't say world, but that's what it's got to be talking about.

SPEAKER_07 13:52

Well, new earth, there that's this is an earth, and it's a world. So okay. Yeah, yeah. So um.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

And it's not like a lot of Christians hold to that that viewpoint, too. It's interesting, and you know, I think most Christians would think that there there is going to be an end. So I'm just wondering what they do with that verse about world without end. You know, how do they how do they handle that? And do they see the world as something else than this physical world?

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Yeah. You know, you know, uh Christ's disciples clearly asked Jesus in Matthew 24 3, uh, and I'll and I'll read that. Uh this disciples I'll start with verse two. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be, and what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world? And you know, I when I casually read this, I I did know that the disciples they wanted to know the sign of the end. And you know, Christ gives them lots of really good details. And I I think when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation in verse 15. Or or actually verse 14, I'll read that. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come. Because that that really is a very direct answer that has spiritual connotation to it. But Christ did answer it quite quite uh clearly that that would be a sign of the end.

SPEAKER_07 15:48

Yeah, you would think uh he he should have said, Well, um uh uh there, you know, uh uh you'll never know. You'll never know. You you can't know. You can't know. But why why does he proceed to answer the whole chapter? He's answering the question concerning the sign of his coming and the end of the world, and actually going along with what Bob was saying um in verse 11, and many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many. So there is the apostasy that um 2 Thessalonians 2 is talking about, and then verse 12, another sign, and because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. And the the um word abound is only translated abound in this verse. Everywhere else it's translated as multiply, like in Hebrew 6 14, multiplying, I will multiply thee. And and uh it's only abound here, and in um Proverbs 29, in verse 16, uh it says, When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth, but the righteous shall see their fall. When the wicked are multiplied, well, how about when the wicked are seven billion on the earth or eight billion on the earth? Um sometimes people try to argue, and they have a point to a degree, they'll they'll try and argue and say, oh, the world's always been this bad. The world's you know, always been really, really sinful. And that's true, that's true, but there have not always been 8 billion people living uh, you know, at one time on the earth. Uh, if we go back it into um, you know, centuries past, even in the New Testament era, it took a while for there to be, say, 400 million people in all the world. And then, and then I think it's into the 20th century when there's around a billion or so, a billion and a half. Um, and we know the nature of the sinner, like it says in Genesis 6, that um in verse 4, that the how's that go? The thoughts, his thoughts are only evil continually, the thoughts of his heart. Genesis 6 in verse um verse 5 and yeah, verse 5. And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. So if you have a world with uh a handful of million like before the flood, what is that in comparison to a world in the 19th century of 400 million? Much more evil because you have many more sinners. Well, what if you have a world of seven billion, like there was leading up to May 21, 2011? Right away, you have more iniquity. As it says in Matthew 24, 12, iniquity will multiply. And Proverbs 29, 16 links that multiplication to the multiplication of the wicked themselves. When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increases, and it's at that time, but the righteous shall see their fall. So, Matthew 24, in the context, when what's the sign of your coming in the end of the world? You would expect a world of lots and lots of people, and that's what we have. And of course, it's not just um that there's billions of people, but there is this wonderful medium that we're presently on, the electronic medium that um the Lord allowed to be invented and introduced into the world so that he could get his word out and save that great multitude. And yet it's also a wonderful medium for spreading evil. It's a tremendous medium for spreading uh wickedness and evil things in time past. Let's say in the days of Noah, and there's um a village, um you know, uh maybe 5,000 people in a village. Well, well, we don't have to go back to the days of Noah. We can go back to the 18th century, and there's a village in Thal, and they're still running around in horse and buggy, and you have a really evil man in that village, especially maybe in the area of the gospel, well, he can he can reach the people in the village, maybe a few surrounding villages, but he's not going to reach people everywhere in the world. Now, if you have a really evil man and and uh he's he's on YouTube, he's on X, he's on Facebook, or or um, you know, just the internet in general can spread that evil all over the world. And that's another tool. It's also a God's allowance because God wanted this is the word of God the Lord allowed or permitted in his permissive will for this to happen so that man would. Basically, choke on his own wickedness. And sin really is a punishment. So it's a punishment to the unsafe people of the world at this time, as we have seen when the world's like this, it's grievous. It's not pleasant for people to be so selfish and lustful and hateful and all you know, all these things, sinful things that come out of the heart, it makes life harder and harder for all people, even themselves, even the sinner himself. If he gets the fill of his desires, it makes his life much more difficult.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Even if you rise any type of new technology, there always seems seems to follow people using it for evil. Of course, it could be used for good.

SPEAKER_11 23:00

And, you know, the heavens, uh, the elements shall melt with a with fervent heat, and and uh these things shall be dissolved. And you know, you you've talked about this many times on the open forum that uh those two words um melt and dissolved are uh luo in the Greek, uh uh strong 3089. And, you know, if there's people out there that believe, you know, there's a lot of young people that believe that, oh yeah, the world's gonna end because of climate change or nuclear war or something like that, and they're they're saying, yeah, yeah, we understand the world's gonna end. Uh well, it's not gonna happen by those means, it's gonna happen by God. You know, and and it could this could be a clue that um the the word luo means to loose, and God is holding together the whole fabric of creation by the uh the attraction between electrons and protons inside of atoms. And if he just sat, you know, and that's the way he created things, he spoke and created everything out of nothing, uh, out of his mind.

SPEAKER_07 24:10

And uh what do you mean by attraction? You mean that's they're drawn to one another?

SPEAKER_11 24:15

There's an electric attraction between the electrons that go around the nucleus of an atom to the protons that are positively charged. The negative the electrons are negatively charged. Like a magnet. Yeah. And um, what has atoms? Uh what where do you think everything has atoms? Everything everything. Yeah, if you look at the periodic table of elements, there's over a hundred elements that that make up, you know, what we know of in the universe. There's probably maybe there's others, but um, you know, everything is made up of these elements, and they all have atoms. They all have a number of protons and a number of at of electrons that are being attracted to each other, and God could just say be loosed.

SPEAKER_07 25:02

And then so matter like a rock, like a big boulder. It's atoms holding it together.

SPEAKER_11 25:09

Well, there's you they're microscopic. You can't see an atom unless you have an atomic microscope.

SPEAKER_07 25:16

And and so every the trees. Yeah, everything. The animals.

SPEAKER_11 25:20

Trees are carbon, basically carbon. Man, man, man, water and carbon and uh and all the other elements you know that you find in the ground that we eat. But we we have we're made of atoms, right? Atoms, everything is made of atoms, right? Yeah, the air is made of atoms.

SPEAKER_07 25:39

So when God spoke, He He created a world, and everything in that world, every literally everything, consists of atoms that have this attraction. Yes. That are drawn, and in the drawing, you can say they're bound.

SPEAKER_11 25:59

Well, I don't know. I mean, it's been a long time since I looked at it, but I think that the electrons kind of are in a cloud and they and they circulate around these things.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

I wouldn't say they're bound, they follow principles.

SPEAKER_11 26:12

Yeah, like the moon. Follow predictable principles. The moon rotates around the the earth, you know, and in a similar way, I think the electrons rotate around, but they're they can't go anywhere unless they're acted upon. So they're bound.

SPEAKER_07 26:27

They're bound to perform the thing they were basically created to do.

SPEAKER_11 26:32

Yeah. And then and what's an atomic bomb? Uh that's when you release you you start releasing, you're separating those atomic particles.

SPEAKER_07 26:42

Right. So you're loosing them. Right. You're loosing them. And when you loose the atomic particles, what happens? Explosion. How how how many atoms to get, like, say, the bomb dropped on Japan?

SPEAKER_11 27:01

I mean, there's I I think it takes pounds. Megatons or something like that? Well, that that's how that that's the I think the measurement of the explosion, but I don't think it takes megatons of material to cause the explosion. I think it takes, you know, that's right. You have to telegram.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

I think matter collapses or pure energy, even a small amount. If it's pure matter, it's massively um, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 27:29

But the point, the point is, you know, we're talking about the end of the world, and um, you know, the only way that that's gonna happen, that God is gonna allow it to happen, is is for him to do it himself. And how do you think he would do it? By by speaking, by by telling the atoms to be unbound. Through his word, yeah, by speaking.

SPEAKER_07 27:55

Um Hebrews 11, um, verse 3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. And is there another verse that by him all things can Colossians Colossians one it says Colossians one uh sixteen, for by him were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created by him and for him, and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Consist. And that would go along with Acts 17 that says um we live and move. I think that verse is here, right? Um, and have our being in him in Acts 17, verse 24, God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands, neither is worship with men's hands as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life and breath and all things. Twenty-eight. And well, this also mentions a verse twenty-six, and has determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation, so that would relate to the end of the world, that they should seek the Lord if happily they might feel after him and find him, though he be not far from every one of us, for in him we live and move and have our being, as certain also of your own poets have said, for we are also his offspring. So we consist, in him we consist, in him we have our being, by his word he framed the worlds, let there be light, let there be whatever, and and and and so his word basically holds it all together, and in 2 Peter 3, the earth melted with a fervent heat and dissolved. It was loosed. It was loosed. Um, and and we we see uh like when Christ sent the disciples to get the ass and and the donkey, and it was bound, and and they loosed them. So it was tied around the post and they loosed it to take it away. So that a lot of times those two go together in the Bible, being bound that that's salvation. Salvation is we're bound in sin, and then we're loosed from the bondage, and we become born again.

SPEAKER_11 31:13

And uh and only God can do that by his word.

SPEAKER_07 31:16

Right, yeah, the word does that also.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

It's also in connection with marriage, I think. In 1 Corinthians 7 27, it's that same word. And it says, Art thou bound unto a wife, seek not to be loosed, art thou loose from a white a wife, seek not a wife. You know, when somebody dies, they it breaks that bond. The bond is broken, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:37

Right. In Romans 7, we're bound as long, or what does it say, a woman is bound to her husband as long as liveth where she liveth?

SPEAKER_02 31:47

And and interestingly how it's when they're dead, then it's then they're loosed. It is like a connection.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Right. And it's interesting when it when a uh enemy was destroyed, or you would hear about the city and the smoke going up, or in in Job where it says as the sparks fly upward. And if you look at and if you look at a spark and during a uh a campfire, you'll see a nice amber just trail and it's bright in its beauty, and then it'll just poof. Or you'll see evaporation. These are these are things that God talks about in the Bible where things are there and then they're no more. And then you read that that phrase no more often in the Bible, and that no more really brings a lot of finality to the end of the world. But very quickly, society looks at the end of the world as an apocalypse in terms of a meteor shower or maybe it's an action film, and you know, in order to save the world, you know, you have to, you know, you have to put the vase on the on the shelf or you know, some weird horrible, you know, depiction. Um but there always seems to be some kind of escape. And mankind deep down in deep down inside knows that there is an escape for God's elect, obviously. But in these stories, you you don't typically just see everything just is become destroyed. Typically there's a remnant. And deep down inside mankind understands that before the the end of the world, a remnant is saved and and drawn out of captivity.

SPEAKER_11 33:29

There's a couple of verses in the Old Testament that uh I found that related to 2 Peter 3, um, where where you know the earth is uh burned up, and in Psalm 46, verse 6, it says, The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved, he's God, uttered his voice, the earth melted. And then in Zephaniah 3, verse 8, therefore wait ye upon me, saith Jehovah, until the day that I rise up to the prey. For my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger, for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. God is a God of vengeance, he's a God of love, but only for his elect. He's a God of vengeance for the non-elect.

SPEAKER_07 34:35

I'm sorry. That same word melteth is in Nahum 1.5. The mountains quake at him and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence. Yea, the world and all that dwell therein.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Okay, let me let me just uh pause for a moment. You're listening or watching the Bible Exalted program. We've come to our half hour mark. We start a little bit late, but if you have a question or a comment, try to take your calls. Today's topic is the end of the world. And I'm not sure if this number called in the last week. Perhaps the team can remind me. Um but this was there, two hands up. I see one.

SPEAKER_09 35:21

I see one. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 35:23

It's kind of listeners, uh you know, the it's on the listener whether they call in more than they should.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

All right, so uh we're gonna unmute. Please go ahead with your question or comment.

SPEAKER_06 35:38

Yes, hello. Hi, everybody. Um why could you compare somebody compare um Second Peter three verse ten with Isaiah 65 verse 17, and I have a question.

SPEAKER_07 35:58

I didn't hear that first verse. What was that first verse?

SPEAKER_06 36:01

2 Peter 3 verse 10.

SPEAKER_07 36:06

2 Peter 3 ten.

SPEAKER_11 36:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. And then in Isaiah 66, verse 65-17. 65-17. For behold, I create a new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

SPEAKER_06 36:44

Yes, now, which is a biblical question. Now, I I uh bear patiently with me. I I have a little bit of a mental illness, and I'm not gonna get excited or cry on your program. But you know it's and I I I mean I wanted some answers from this girl that I know. And what I get to have, and she's still gonna insult me and say he's not my friend, I don't know him. I don't think so. But why doesn't she give me answers? She she is my friend, and she she's ignoring me, and she said, I don't want to talk to you anymore. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_07 37:28

Excuse me. Excuse me. Um let's try to stay on topic. Um, you know, when we get to heaven, like it said in Isaiah 65, 17, the former things are not remembered, and I don't even think you're gonna remember that next week. So don't worry about that. Let's stay focused on the scriptural topic for tonight. But thank you for calling.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah, it may feel like the end of the world, but you know, we need to keep our eyes on Christ because there's plenty of of trials and sorrows that we face, but that's why we have the word of God.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

There's a um there's another passage using that same word.

SPEAKER_07 38:10

That word melt? The word melt?

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Yeah, the word for uh melt. I think it's yeah, 30 3089. It's also found in John. I thought it was.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

Oh, you mean Lou? Lou in the Greek.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yeah, the Greek, yeah. 3089. It's uh it's it's found in John 219. Jesus answered and said unto them, destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. I just thought it was interesting. It's that word for destroy. Destroy so loose this temple?

SPEAKER_07 38:37

Is that how uh or or break? It's break it's the word uh from Acts 1342, I think. The the con the synagogue was broken up. It's the word from Acts 27 with the shipwreck, and the hinder part of the ship was broken with the ways that were broken. So it's interesting. It means not always, but but in these places, finality, God ended his relationship with Israel, synagogue's broken up, God ended his relationship with the church, ship, the hinder part of the ship is broken. God ended his relationship with this world, 2 Peter 3. And and you could, you know, due to the context of fire, it's not translated as broken or, I mean, you could translate as destroy. The the earth was dissolved, the earth was destroyed. That would fit. Um, and and its finality. And that same saying, that same word is found, I think, in John 5 or 6, where um the statement is made the scriptures cannot be broken. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

John 1035. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:58

1035? Yeah. So that shows us there's no finality, there's no end of the scriptures. Um, if he called them gods unto whom the word of God came in the scripture cannot be loosed, the scripture cannot be destroyed. The word of the Lord endureth forever. And so we definitely say, oh, okay, that's where your security is. That's where, you know, if you have a relationship with Christ and we entered into a marriage relationship, we're we're bound to him in marriage through salvation. He'll never forsake us, and and that can never be dissolved. Um, whereas everything in this world that see that that's the thing that um the proverb you read, Carl, surely there is an end. That that's the thing about the world that makes it temporal. And every person can say that, surely I have an end individually. As far as our life in this world, our physical life, if time were to continue, I have an end. And that's what people don't want to think about. They don't want to think about that. And likewise, when it comes to the end of the world, they don't want to think about the end of the world because it would be the end of them and the end of their temporal inheritance. You know, the people are very busy trying to make riches and build up riches and store up things on the earth, and the Bible warns against that, because no matter what you store up, you're going to lose it. And it's only when things are stored up in the heavenlies in Christ that you know there's um continuation. Uh, but but as far as this world, that that's that that's why the focus of the world, they they have to stay focused on temporal things. They can't think about these things of the Bible because if you think about the Bible and the things it says, it won't allow you to enjoy the world anymore. It won't allow you to be dis to kind of be blinded and remain in ignorance concerning life in this world. The Bible tells us the truth, the hard truth, but it's the truth that surely there's an end. Surely there is an end. And or and individually may come very soon. And that's why the Word of God and our relationship with Christ and eternal things are always and have always been the most important things, but especially as we get closer and closer to the end of this world, it it grows in importance and significance. It it becomes, you know, the the great well, the it it should become the greatest um of things to us.

SPEAKER_10 43:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

We do have two we do have two callers, if you don't mind, Carl. Do you want to say that?

SPEAKER_02 43:29

I understand it's not a biblical quote, but you know, as they say, ignorance is bliss. I think that that's when it when it comes to the Bible, as long as they could stay ignorant of those things, they can enjoy enjoy the world.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

That's the wine, you know, God talks about. Let them forget their misery, I believe. Remember their misery and forget their misery.

SPEAKER_10 43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Okay, uh Miss Miriam, please go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

I I called two weeks ago, so this is my allotted time. If you can read Read for me please two verses. The first one is two Peter three four and then the second one is Isaiah five nineteen.

SPEAKER_07 44:16

I'll read the first thank you. Second Peter three four and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

SPEAKER_05 44:34

And then Isaiah five nineteen.

SPEAKER_11 44:38

Okay. Isaiah 5.19 says, That say, let him make speed and hasten his work that we may see it, and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come that we may know it.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

Um just your opinion on those, and then just thinking, you know, when I speak to people around me, they are always saying, These are always happened, you know, these things have always been going on, because they cannot understand at all scripture. It has to talk to your heart and God has to open your eyes and ears. And even with what's going on now, you know, God can shut that show down and it'll be right back to business, even if they're talking about scripture right now and being terrified of things, that can end and we can go right back to business. So it's always just a continuance. They need to see stuff, and even if they see it is just temporary, they really don't, you know, know scripture, in my opinion, you know. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 45:43

Yeah, there there is um the idea, and I think a lot of us um kind of have it at various times, that if if the world just gets bad enough that people will realize and they'll come to their senses or or they'll begin to to to at least understand that God's not pleased with them and and uh that we're we're approaching the end. But no, they won't. No, they won't. Um, I mean, just look how it wasn't that long ago when the whole world was struck with a virus, the the um COVID uh pandemic, and uh practically everything shut down for about two full years. Things um life is was not as usual. Everything was changed, and um yet now that's quickly forgotten. It it's passed. It's passed on, and now there's been a series of wars, and and um these wars are very troubling in the electronic age, and um you know it's a war between Russia and Ukraine way over there, but you have people all over the world taking sides, and and and there's a lot of division over it. And now it's uh you know, this recent war, Israel, America, Iran, and similar things. Um it's not so much the war itself, that's bad, but but all over the world, people are taking sides and and they're becoming angry with one another and calling one another names and uh a lot of misunderstanding. Uh it it's really, really bad. It's been really, really bad for years now, and it will continue to be really bad, and y it does seem to be a cycle, and all of a sudden, okay, things quiet down, but then there's something else down the road, and that's the nature of this judgment. God is that that's something uh Bob mentioned. We should probably emphasize to anyone who might be tuning in. We're talking about the end of the world seriously because we've entered into judgment day, May 21, 2011. God brought judgment to the world, and the world since then, up until now, is under the wrath of God, and we expect it will continue until the year 2033. This is the day of the Lord that the Bible speaks of. 2 Peter 3, uh, 10 through 12 tells us of the fiery destruction on the literal last day of Earth's existence, but uh there's a spiritual judgment up until that time. And that's why it's so important for the people of God that um we spend time in the scriptures. And the thing is, the people of God, though, and by the people of God, I don't mean people in the churches. By the people of God, I mean those who are truly saved, the elect who have come out of the churches because God ended the church age due to that apostasy Bob mentioned earlier. And and the elect people of God, we love the truth, and we are not afraid to look at, seriously, earnestly look at what the Bible has to say about the end of the world or the end of ourself in death. Uh, and that's because the end of the world for the child of God is not the end. It's not the end for us. It's the beginning of our eternal life with the Lord. It's the beginning of a new creation, a new heaven, a new earth, and we will receive new resurrected bodies. It's full of blessings for the child of God. But for the unsaved person, though that person be a professed Christian, they could still be unsaved to be a professed Christian. For the unsaved person, their um life is caught up with the world. And God warned, love not the world, neither the things of the world, but their life is caught up with the things of the world and love of the world. And and and so the last thing they want to think about is the end of the world, the world that they love, the things in the world that they love. And uh, because they're not truly saved, it will be also the end of them. And and that's why uh it's just quickly said, if there's any any serious discussion on end time matters, no man knows that it's no man knows that they're out. And and let's get off that. Let's let's leave that topic. But why? Why for a child of God to be absent from the body is be present with the Lord? If the world, uh if the literal last day comes and the world ends, what happens to the true child of God is we are transformed into a new creature, and we go into a new heaven, a new earth. Here's what the Bible says. This is why we can talk about this honestly and openly, and we're not afraid of it. Revelation 21, verse 1, and I saw new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband, and I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them and be their God, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away, and he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write, for these words are true and faithful. No more sin, no more death, no more sorrow or crying or pain. So why wouldn't we want that? Why wouldn't we want that? Of course we want that. We desire that. What is characteristic of this world? Sin, sorrow, pain, death, misery of all kinds. Now, while while we're still alive, that's because God wants us here, and and to live in this life is Christ, and we desire to live and to do his will and to serve him while we're here. But if he takes us, hallelujah. You know, praise the Lord. Thank God that we are now going into that glorious new kingdom. And so we we have no fear of the end of the world. The the sinner has a fear of the end of the world, the the one in or in his or her sins, of course, because that's the end of them. Excellent point, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Go ahead, Carl.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

We have a comment from um this uh Pakistanian uh family that's listening in. Um I don't know if they want to unmute themselves to share. I don't know if you guys speak English, but they said that we're facing a lot of persecution in Pakistan. As you know, Pakistan is a Muslim country. They do not allow us to pray in church, so I would teach our people in my house we don't have Bibles and I don't have a roof on our home-based church. Please pray for us that God provides us these things.

SPEAKER_07 54:37

Well, well, you know, uh it's not uh a bad thing that that you cannot meet in a church. I know that may sound strange, but God has ended the church age. 1 Peter 4 17 tells us judgment begins at the house of God. And and God um saw the apostasy, the falling away, the unfaithfulness of the churches worldwide, and he finally brought judgment on the church. He ended the church age. Now, God's people are still in the world out and we worship God, and of course, we have our Bibles, and we love the Bible, we love the truth of the Bible, and we want to do whatever the Bible tells us, and we serve God, but we do so outside a church. Now, a lot of churches around the world suffer persecution. But uh what one, and of course, it would be wrong on the part of those who would persecute and physically harm and persecute people in the church. But see, God has protected his people at this time by calling us, commanding us come out of the church. And so when we're out in the world now, as an individual in a home, we we have the word, we pray, we worship God, but but we are not in the church institution any longer. And it has served really as a type of protection for God's elect uh in in many places in the world.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

I was gonna say ask if they speak um English.

SPEAKER_09 56:39

That way, if they don't speak English, they can use the uh the captions. Do you speak English? Do you understand English?

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Are we breaking for uh the hour guard? Oh, we have three minutes because we started blessings to all of you.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

Hello, blessings to all of you. Hi Hello Hello, blessings to all of you.

SPEAKER_09 57:09

I'm glad you joined us. You found us through uh YouTube Yes, yes, please, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 57:21

Hello, good evening. I am preacher Naveed. He's my daughter Aliza.

SPEAKER_07 57:29

Well, nice to meet you. Glad you're able to join us. And we understand you're in Pakistan, um, and that of course we know there is persecution there and trouble there for Christians. Um and eBible Fellowship, this Bible exalted program, is uh part of the ministry of e-Bible Fellowship. We we are a ministry that is wholly, completely Bible focused. We we um worship God, we serve God, and we follow the Bible's teaching. We do not follow any church's teaching. We have no association with any church. I don't know if you heard me earlier, but uh we're living at a time where God has brought judgment on the world's churches. Actually, judgment began, 1 Peter 4, 17 tells us judgment begins at the house of God. And that started the judgment of God and transitioned to the world on the date of May 21, 2011. It's why the world's falling apart over these years since that time, because the world has become the object of the wrath of God. And unfortunately, that includes the corporate church. The corporate church, um, as God um he did have a church during the church age and he was in the midst of it, but the church age has come to a close. A good way of understanding that, you know, Israel had relationship with God for about 2,000 years. But then when Jesus went to the cross and the veil of the temple was rent in twain, God ended his relationship with Israel. He he divorced them, and no longer are they his people. Well, about 2,000 years after that, God has done the same thing with the corporate church, the churches and congregations.

SPEAKER_01 59:49

Well, we're we're gonna have to take a break. That's right, Chris. Uh, we're gonna take a break. Uh for now, we're gonna say goodbye to our uh radio listeners, but we're gonna continue an additional bonus half an hour for those who are watching on the live stream.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:04

Yeah, please stay with us. We'll we'll be back in in just a minute.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

Welcome back to the Bible Exalted program. This is our bonus half hour. Today's topic is the end of the world. We have our three panel speakers, Bob Grandi, Chris McCann, and Carl von Heringa. Uh, Chris was uh making a mention about the end of the church age, and so Chris, I'm gonna hand it back to you to join the conversation.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:33

Well, yeah, God um has revealed from the Bible, because we're living at the time of the end of the world, that's very clear as we were discussing earlier in Matthew 24. The disciples asked Jesus, what shall be the sign of thy coming in of the end of the world? And one of the signs is there will arise false Christ and false apostles that will bring false gospels. And then there's the sign of abounding iniquity or sin that is happening in the world. There there is also the sign of the abomination of desolation, who that's another way of saying Satan, once the Lord loosed him, will enter into the holy place, Matthew 24, 15. And that is the church. Just like in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, we uh also read that earlier. It spoke of the man of sin that takes his seat in the temple, showing himself that he is God. And again, that is Satan. Upon his loosing, he entered into the church. Well, um, the the churches and congregations of the world had their time. There is a time and a purpose for everything under the sun, Ecclesiastes 3 tells us. And there was a time of the church age, but the church age period has come to a close. And now we're living in the time where God is dealing with individuals one-on-one. Just God and the person. God and the individual in Pakistan, or God and the individual in China. It's not God operating through the church any longer. It's God directly through his word, the Bible, and the individual. And uh that's the focus of a ministry like e-Bible Fellowship.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:47

You know, there's another sign too, Chris, in Matthew 24. Uh the sign uh where it said uh Jesus says, but as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be in verse 37. Uh for as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. You know, so uh and and that kind of ties in back with um what the previous caller um the lady that called in about 2 Peter 3, verse 4. If you continue on and read verse 5, it says, um, for this they're willingly uh they willingly are ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water, whereby the world that then was being overflowed with water perished. But the heavens and the earth which are now by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. And here's the here's the key verse. But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day. And you know, going back to uh the book of Genesis, chapter seven, God gave Noah seven days to get into the ark before he brought the the uh flood waters, forty days and forty nights, and that destroyed the earth the first time. And uh the seven days that he gave Noah, uh one day as a as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day, as we just read, that that takes us from the year 4990 BC, uh at the the second month, the seventeenth day of the month of that year. If you go seven days or seven thousand years, it lands on the year 2011, and the second month, the seventeenth day of the month is May 21, 2011. That's when you had previous previously said that that's when judgment day began on the world. It transitioned over from judgment on the churches, uh it was judgment on the churches for twenty-three years, well seventeen years to be exact, but then judgment on the world, May twenty-one, twenty eleven, and that that has every day since then has been judgment day. And today right now it's judgment day. And we're looking at uh twenty thirty three as the completion of Judgment Day, which would be a forty year forty year long period from nineteen ninety four, September seven. 1994. 39 actual years, 40 uh calendar years. Sorry. 40 from 40 inclusive inclusive years.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:14

Forty inclusive, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:15

Inclusive years. From 1994 to 2033. So you have the the 3940 pattern, the same pattern that um uh uh uh occurred with Jesus Christ, right? When when he went to the cross, it was 39 years, now it was forty. And uh so these these two patterns uh exist, they're identical patterns, and like you like you said uh uh recently in an open forum, that that same pattern won't exist for another thousand years. And uh, you know, judgment day has already begun. It's and it's it's only gonna be um uh the mo a moment, a twinkling of an eye. It's not gonna last for a thousand years.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

So a thousand years later, that would be the fourteen thousandth year. So the fourteen wouldn't make sense because the number thirteen identifies with judgment day.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:17

So um also I wanted to point out that um uh I don't know if this this has been updated, but there's a a a time path, there's 37 time paths that point to the year 2033, um uh uh giving us evidence that the biblical evidence that that uh that that's the year that the world will end. Uh I I don't know if this has been updated.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

Is it somewhere on our website that people can find this and um and maybe I could I could I don't think it's on our website, but I could put it up there. I I plan to put um a page up about 2033. Is it all right?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:59

Well there's there you know there's one very uh direct time path that uh I think a lot of people know, and that is Jesus went to the cross in 33 AD, and 2033 is exactly 2,000 years from the time Christ went to the cross. That's a big deal because Jesus not only died at the cross, but he resurrected early Sunday morning, and all the people that he has saved are the body of Christ, and we're looking to 2033 for an expected end according to biblical evidence, and that would include the resurrection of the body of Christ. So on a on a the you know, this doesn't happen all the time. The last time there was a fullness of thousands of years in relationship to Christ going to the cross and resurrecting was the year 1033 AD. So it's about a thousand years ago, the last time this would be in effect, and now we're seven years away from a date 2033 that is 2,000 years from Jesus' death and resurrection. And uh look at the world. Look at the world. The the you know, we have to ask that question. This isn't the world of the time of the Reformation, you know, four, five hundred, four hundred and some five hundred years ago. This is a desperately wicked world, tremendous evil taking place on a daily basis in nation after nation all over the earth. And and we know God sees the evil of mankind, like we read in Genesis 6, verse five, where the thoughts of man's, the imagination of man's heart was only evil continually prior to the flood, and then God brought the flood destruction. Well, if God saw that world of a handful of millions of people as desperately wicked, only evil continually, how's he looking upon our world today with billions of people? And and and this great evil, this great evil taking place on a daily basis. It's like it's rising up um into God's nostrils. Certainly it has provoked him to anger, which is why he has acted already when he brought judgment on the world, and we expect the completion of that judgment to occur in 2033. And so we are understanding today to be part of spiritual judgment, that God is spiritually judging the world. And someone might say, well, what's a spiritual judgment? Well, spiritual things are invisible things. You can't see them. Like we have spirits, and no one's ever seen our spirit. No one's ever seen someone else's spirit. And in the Garden of Eden, God told Adam, In the day you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will surely die. And Adam took the fruit, Eve first, and gave to Adam. And Adam took and ate from that fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And did he die? Did he fall down dead?

SPEAKER_10 1:12:04

Not physically.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:05

Not physically. No, he didn't. Well, uh, how long did Adam live after that? Maybe he died later than no, he he didn't die. He he lived to be 930 years old. So did God not mean what he said when he said, In the day you eat thereof, you'll surely die. Of course, God meant it. Was it the truth? Absolutely, it was the truth. Well then, why didn't he die? But he did die. He did die. Ezekiel 18, verse 4 tells us, the soul that sinneth it shall die. So Adam died in his soul, and the soul is spirit, and you cannot see it. And and so the spiritual judgment of God came upon Adam, and that's what's happening now in the world. There's a spiritual judgment upon the whole world. Uh and the spiritual judgment will continue until the last day, and then it will turn into a physical, fiery destruction, uh, a literal judgment, or or it's it's actually spiritual judgment, it is also a literal judgment, but it'll turn into a material, very physical type judgment of the end of all things.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:33

Hey, Christoph.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

I don't know if you'll go ahead. You can go ahead. What were you saying? No, I was saying I don't know if you have on your the sheet as far as the different proofs, the time paths.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

But Salvador has been patiently waiting. Do you mind if we just uh get him very quickly, please, gentlemen. Yeah, Salvador, please go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:58

If anyone is kind enough to read um Daniel chapter 12, verse nine, if possible.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:06

Where where was I?

SPEAKER_09 1:14:08

Daniel chapter twelve verse nine.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:13

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified and made white and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:35

Yeah, uh my question is in uh Revelation chapter 5, verse 5, and and the war specific uh um well, if anyone can read it, please. Revelation chapter 5, verse 5.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:49

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not, behold, the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, hath prevailed to open the book and to lose the seven seals thereof.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:03

Yeah, what is our understanding on the on this word when that he overcame he there? Is is this uh Daniel chapter 12, verse 9 uh uh kind of approved it that uh the opening of the seals was in the at the cross. That was one of his purposes. Uh at the where? At the when he die at the cross.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:28

Well, my under my understanding is my understanding is that it happened at the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:35

But um the opening of the seals.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:38

The opening of the seals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

Because that's when truth started, the new understanding started to come out. Also, I think I don't know if it's the same word, but it's also used with the seals, the word loosed that we talked about in Peter with the word melt. The element shall melt with the fur. It's that same exact word for loose. I don't know if it's in that same passage though.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:02

Actually, the word is um uh overcome, it's um strong G thirty-five twenty seven uh twenty-eight. And uh it happens in a couple places. Uh for example, in uh Revelation 2 7, he that had an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said unto the churches, to him that overcome it. That is G3528, will I give to you the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God? In a few more places, of course, but where where is it in Revelation 5?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:40

It's the word prevailed, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:16:41

Prevailed, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:43

Yeah, the uh it's curious, it's curious why it says that concerning prevailed, like victorious to open the book. Of course, it Christ is victorious at the foundation of the world, and and uh God could just make that statement at any point, right? That it's all dependent, it's all related to his sacrifice as the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, as far as the whole gospel, and if God wants to say at any point in history that he has prevailed to open the book, in this case, well, that that would still apply to what he had done at the foundation of the world. And as far as the seals, in Revelation 8, it says in verse uh one, and when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. So the previous chapters told us about the earlier seals, and now uh the seventh seal is open, and if you open six but you still have one, it's still sealed, right? You have to open all it in in order to have it unsealed, and we can pinpoint the timing for Revelation 8.1, it identifies with the 2300 evening mornings. That's the silence in heaven, about the space of half an hour. And and so that means in 1988, at the end of the church age, when um the the um 2300 evening mornings began, the seventh seal came off, and and the Bible would be unsealed. And I I think looking back that most of the information came forth from 94, but there were certain things, you know, we were learning, like we, but we we were still seeing not too clearly like about 1994, we didn't have full understand understanding and some other other things, but according to this, the seventh seal uh is open and silence in heaven begins, and that would be the 2300 days.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:14

Okay, thank you. Yeah, now we go back to you know your question about Daniel 12, verse 9.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:23

You know, the the seals the book is you say go that way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:30

And time of the end.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:35

And and I I was gonna ask Chris um in uh I lost the page, um Hosea um Hosea 6. Uh, you know, you were talking about the the uh significance of the 2,000 years from Christ's uh death on the cross and resurrection till 2033. Uh does does Hebrews 6, 2 uh you know, uh tie into that and 6, 2, and 3.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:10

Yeah, it could. It could. After two days, will he revive us? In the third day, he will raise us up. And if you look at a day as a thousand years, right? So, so 33 80 to 1033 one day, 1033 to 2033, uh, complete second day, he revived well, yeah, after after two days, so it complete two days. Yeah, in the third day, he will raise us up, and then that would be it's kind of like that millennial Sabbath idea, right? That, but in this case, it would be the third day going up into heaven, of course. Um you know, we we could see Christ three days and three nights, you know, that that uh but what helped me with the two thousand with the two thousand was looking at um the the time path of Moses.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:18

Remember from his birth to to Christ's from Moses' birth to Christ's birth, and then that last 40 year period, that's the 39th, 40. And then if you start again from the cross and continue on with the 40s all the way to 2033, that's 2,000 years, it's 50 40 50 sets of 40 uh years. And so you can see that 2,000 year pattern just within that.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:44

Yeah, Carl, I was gonna say, you know, somehow um if you want to mention the um timeline of history that's on our website that that has, you know, if you if you extend out the the uh the lifespans of many of the patriarchs, how a lot of them end up on 2033.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:06

I don't know how you want to talk about that. I know Abraham is one of them. Moses would be a second one. Um uh Enos actually, if you start um I mean I think he was um well Seth begat Enos right at 105.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:27

Oh, we do have a seven-minute warning if anyone five uh 123 times also takes you to 2033. That's like the earliest time path I've seen take it take it to that same year.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:40

Well, I I I'd also want to mention, and and please tell me if this is accurate, when we think about the consummation, God says, I will be with thee oh you always, even unto the end of the world. I I get the impression that God is going to gather his elect right before the last day. Or or could you explain how that verse, when he says, I'll be with you always, even unto the end of the world. Is that is that during the Great Tribulation and Judgment Day process up until the last day? Or is that the end of Matthew? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:18

One thing that can be confusing is in Matthew when when Jesus says then shall the end come, someone might think that's the last day. But the Bible actually describes that day as the beginning of judgment day on the world. That's like it to the end, because then the sun is darkened and there's still a period of days afterwards that follows that.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:38

Makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:40

Well, again, that you know, look that word end of the world in Matthew uh 28, 20, it says, uh teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I I commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. And that that word world, you have to watch because that's sometimes it's trans it's translated from the word Aeon A-I-O-N, which uh could you know could mean an air an era. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:12

Yeah. Yeah, the the one with uh Seth is if it's if you start in a year, if you start 130 years after creation, when Seth is born, and then from Seth's birth to when he has a son, Enos, he he's 105. If you go 105 years times uh 123, you get to 2033. So 123, it's uh it's 41 times three, it's the same age that Aaron was. I don't know the spiritual significance, but I know it breaks down to 41 times three. And 105, it's a prime number, but it's the same amount of 40s. I mean, from Abraham's birth. There's 105 uh sets of 40 years from his birth until 2033.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:04

Yeah. This is a a very interesting topic, and thankfully we're able to hear from some from some folks. Uh does anyone like would anyone like to say anything before we we close out? I I do want to mention one thing. I really enjoy thinking about the consummation. I I had the pleasure of going on a cruise with my wife, and when you get on the ship, I don't know if they do that in the Navy, Chris, when you sail off, it's it's just this big to-do. And uh I really like that because it's the beginning. You know, it's you just start and it's the beginning. And when Christ comes with his elect I mean when Christ comes with ten thousand of his saints on the very last day, and God raises up those who have died uh in Christ, and we are caught up, hopefully we are his elect, it kind of gives me that sense of the the banquet, you know, the marriage and the consummation. I'm not sure if if you all could correct or enhance.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:14

I think it says Christ came, maybe it's indicating that it's something that well it's happening right now, right, during Judgment Day. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:24

And it may not necessarily be a literal interpretation, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:28

Well, it could be the duration of Judgment Day, too. Like a continual process, maybe.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:33

There's a couple of um time paths that are on this the sheet that I have, the 37 time paths that point to the year 2033. I'll just give you a couple. Esau, unequally yoked, he was married to a heathen. Um he was the the twin brother of Jacob. Uh that was that occurred in the year 1967 BC.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:58

And then he he was 40. He was 40, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:04

And if you if you add 2033, it it equals 40 calendar years, which gives you a direct time path to 2033. And that would that breaks down to four times 10 cubed. Uh that's that's 4,000, but what did I say?

SPEAKER_07 1:27:23

40 times.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:24

Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's 4,000 years from 1967 BC to 2033.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:31

But it is that the 40 years that runs the same course that's you know from Abraham's birth. It's a continuation of those. The 4,000 years is 40 times uh 100, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:27:43

Or 40 times maybe this one also li uh is on that path. It's uh the foundation temple uh was laid in nine sixty seven uh BC, and if you add three thousand year calendar years. It takes you to 2033, a direct time path of 3,000 years. Um is that does that fall on that 40-year uh path, Carl?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:12

Uh 967, I believe, falls.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:15

Um I think it does because uh David does a 1007 and 40 years later. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:24

So the four the 440 years from when Moses began to judge at age 40, all the way until Samuel the prophet. That that's 440 times eight. That takes you to 2033. It'd be nice.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:38

And also when Christ was born in 7 BC, and it's 2,040 year four 2040 calendar years to 2033, which breaks down to three times 17 times 40. And 17 is the number that points to heaven.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

We'll give you one more or two, because I don't know if you have this one on your paper. Um, this one's the uh the exodus from 1447. Remember how Mr. Camping pointed out this uh 12, you do 1290 times three starting from the Exodus. Yeah. Where it's 430 times nine. Well, if you pick up the 430s starting from the Exodus and go from 1447, you go 430 years eight times. That lands on 1994. That's their entrance into the wilderness. Then they're there for 40 years, and then you do the same thing in 1407 BC when they're crossing the Jordan River, which is a picture of crossing into heaven, right? You do 430, and that takes you to 2033, which is is very fitting. It's like a time path that connects the wilderness sojourn from 1994 to 2033.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:56

Yeah, that's on here. Israel enters Canaan in 1407.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:00

Yeah. That's the 430 times eight.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:05

Uh yeah, it's uh two times two times two times ten times 43. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:12

Uh before we go, uh Carl, did you see that there there was a comment someone was asking for our website?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:21

Yeah, I sent them. Yep. And they Well, maybe we should announce it. Yeah, it's the website's e uh eBF2033. That's the short version. The actual eBF2033.org.org. We do have.com, but for right now, just.org.org's working. Um, or eBiblefellowship.org. Um, I also mentioned, because they do speak Urdu, that we'll have that available soon for our website.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:56

And can they listen on Zoom and click the closed caption translation with Urdu? I they unfortunately, fortunately, they speak understand English, but they don't have um they don't have Urdu on here. Okay. Excellent. Well, does anyone else have anything to say before we close? All right. Well, folks, we really appreciate you staying up this late. This was a very good topic. This uh effectively uh closes the program. The Bible exalted. Please join us again. And until next time, friends, may the Lord richly bless you during this time of judgment. Good night. Good night.

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