The Bible Exalted! 030 The Tribulation

The Bible Exalted! is a podcast program that seeks to uplift the word of God which is being highly exalted at this time. Each episode explores both sides of a doctrine, examining how one passage of Scripture may seem to teach one truth while another points in a different direction. Through careful study, the program seeks to uncover the harmony of the Bible as a whole, showing which understanding aligns with the full testimony of Scripture.


"...rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

About Panel Speakers:

Chris McCann:
Chris grew up in Philadelphia. Like many of God’s elect, he was first raised in the ways of the world until God drew him to His Word, the Bible. With an earnest desire to study the Scriptures and uncover the mysteries hidden within them, Chris—together with others—founded the ministry of eBibleFellowship. The ministry is dedicated to faithfully proclaiming all that is written in the Word of God and striving to remain true to its teachings.

Bob Grande:
Bob was also raised in the Philadelphia area.  God drew him to be interested in studying the Bible in the early 1990's.  He attended church until 2001 and departed out after learning about the end of the church age. He is currently seeking to grow in the grace of God.


Gary Daniels:
Gary from Philadelphia: Gary grew up listening to both a faithful ministry that at the time declared the truth from the Bible for many years, but also was under the pentecostal church. God led him toward the truth and is thankful for God's mercy showing many truth's from the Bible

Karl von Harringa:
Karl was born and raised in Ohio, just outside of Columbus. From an early age, he was brought up under the hearing of the truth and developed an interest in the Bible. He grew up in a household where the Word of God was central.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Bible Exalted, presented by eBible Fellowship, the Electronic Bible Fellowship. EBible Fellowship is an online Christian ministry teaching faithfully from the Bible using the biblical method of comparing scripture with scripture to come to truth. We invite you to visit our website at eBiblefellowship.org where you'll find hundreds of hours of studies. You can email us at info at e-biblefellowship.org or visit our YouTube channel. And now it's time to welcome in our four-man panel and begin our live broadcast of the Bible Exalted Program.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to eBible Fellowships, the Bible Exalted Program. I'm your host, Gary Daniels, and today we are seeking the Bible's answers to various topics in which the Bible has the final say in the matter. Joining us tonight are our beloved three panel speakers, Bob Grandy, Chris McCann, and Carl von Haringa. Welcome again, radio listeners. This Friday evening and folks watching on YouTube and other platforms. Tonight we are broadcasting via StreamYard. That means you can interact with us if you're watching on several uh social media platforms and you can give us your comment and even come on the channel. However, we do ask that you refrain from foul language and that you stay on topic. Okay, this is a one and a half hour program. And for folks who are watching live, you'll have that full one and a half hour program. But folks that are watching, you may just have a one-hour program at a later rebroadcast. We'll take your calls at the half hour mark. But since we're using StreamYard, we can bypass that, I believe, Carl. And folks, you can just click on the link that's going to be in the chat. You'll be able to directly speak with us or you can type in your comments. We may not be able to read them all, uh, but we will select ones that are on topic uh for the broadcast. All right. Today's topic is tribulation. That's tribulation. And where do we go from there? And we'll start with you, Bob.

SPEAKER_06 2:32

Thanks, Gary. Hello, everybody there at StreamYard, our new platform. Uh well, let's let's start off with uh what the world says that tribulation is. Uh uh the dictionary definition is that it's uh distress or suffering or resulting from oppression or persecution as well as a trying experience. And it often refers to severe affliction or the troubles and distresses of life. I thought that was a pretty good description description for the world, but uh as usual, we have to go to the Bible to see how God defines tribulation. Now, the the Bible teaches that after Adam and Eve sinned over 13,000 years ago, God's entire creation was cursed and subject to tribulation throughout time. And here's a couple of verses from the Bible, the King James Bible, that that show this. In John 16, 33, we read, These things I have spoken unto you that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. And Acts 14, 22, confirming the souls of the disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. And lastly, in 2 Corinthians 1, verse 4, who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. So in the New Testament, the word tribulation comes from the Greek word philipsis, uh T-H-L-I-P-S-I-S. And that's uh the uh in the strongest concordance, that's the number G2347, and that G2347 comes from G2346, which is Philibo T-H-L-I-B-O. Now, Philipsis is found 45 times in the New Testament and translated as tribulation 21 times, and then 17 times as affliction, three times as trouble, and one time each as anguish, persecution, burdened, and to be afflicted. In Matthew 24, the disciples of Jesus asked him, Tell us, when will be when will these things be? And what will shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world? And later in the process of answering this question, Jesus said in uh Matthew 24, verses 21 and 22, for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved, but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened. Now the the Greek words great tribulation come, I'm sorry, the English words, uh great tribulation come from the Greek words 313 G thirty-one thirty-three, which is megus, standing for great, and thallipsis 2347. And we'll take it, we'll take a look at some other verses that use megus thallipsis uh later on in this discussion. I'm sure that'll that'll come up. But but these verses in Matthew 24 are definitely speaking about the end of the world, and as a result, many false end time scenarios have been created by theologians and others who misunderstand what these verses say. But by comparing spiritual things with spiritual things as we're commanded to do, we can boldly say that the great tribulation referred to in Matthew 24 has been complete, has been fulfilled already. It has been completed, it's done. And it began when the Holy Spirit abandoned and departed from all churches and all congregations on the date of May 21, 1988. And it ended on May 21, 2011, exactly 23 years later. So the the shut door of salvation and the cup of God's spiritual wrath that had been poured out on all of the corporate church for 23 years was transitioned by God to be executed on the entire world on May 21, 2011. And God has been merciful to show us that his wrath that is being poured out on the entire world since May 21, 2011, is not only called judgment day, but it's also called a recompense tribulation. We can think of it as God's repayment after Satan ruled during the 23-year Great Tribulation. And we read all about this recompense tribulation in uh 2 Thessalonians uh 1, verses 6 to 10. Uh, I'll read that. Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation, that's G 2347, to them that trouble that now this is this word trouble is 2346, which is what tribulation is derived from. So trouble and tribulate trouble and tribulation are very closely related. Um, I'll start over. Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you, and to you who are troubled. That's 2346 again. Rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power, when he shall come to be glorified in his saints and to be admired in all them that believe, because our testimony among you was believed in that day. And that day started on May 21, 2011, and continues on till today. And and in all uh the biblical evidence is pointing to 2033 for its completion of the recompense tribulation. And with that, I will pass it on to another member of the panel.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

Thank you, Bob. I always enjoy your opening statements. You really give a robust uh presentation of the word tribulation. I learned something. I think I left I left more for for you guys this time. Some meat on the bone. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Uh I do remember growing up, uh, Chris did a study on tribulation. And if I remember correctly, Chris, since you're here, did you say there were two or three tribulations? Was it two or three tribulations?

SPEAKER_05 10:27

Because I know we have yeah, well, um, actually, God has an end-time judgment plan of two tribulations. And I I think there's something uh that I'd like to lay out that may take a few minutes, okay? Um, and and some scriptures that will help us understand um why it is that God has judged the church, and and the judgment on the church is the great tribulation. If we if we go to Numbers 25, Numbers 25, it says in verse 1, and Israel abode in Shiddem, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And verse 3, and Israel joined himself unto Baal Peor, and the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel. And uh then a little further down, it says in verse 9, and those that died in the plague were 24,000. So this um historical event is when um it was actually Balaam, Balaam who was hired to curse Israel, and he kept blessing them, and yet he did counsel um the ones that hired him concerning their daughters, and and he he basically got them to ensnare the Israelites into their idol worship of Baal Peor. And it says over in Numbers 31 Um that that Balaam they killed in verse 8, and they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain, namely Evi and Recham and Zur and Hur and Reba, five kings of Midian. Balaam also the son of Beor, they slew with the sword. Now, sometimes when you read about Balaam in the Bible, um it seems like he's almost a good prophet, a faithful prophet. But no, he was very evil. And the New Testament tells us you know he's uh um among those false prophets that God warns don't go in the way of Balaam or Korah. And uh Israel actually killed him. And at this time, uh it says in Numbers 31, verse 14, and Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Be behold, these caused the children of Israel through the counsel of Balaam to commit trespass against Jehovah in the matter of Peor. And there was a plague among the congregation of Jehovah. So that's that's the plague in Numbers 25, where um it says 24,000 people died. In the New Testament, in First Corinthians 10, God tells us that this was an example. He he says in 1 Corinthians 10 in verse 6, now these things were our examples to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters as were some of them, as it is written, the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed, and fell in one day three in twenty thousand. There uh the number is different, and no, it's not an error. Um, this says fell on one day, and this is how God wrote the Bible often to give an appearance of error or contradiction, but never the actuality of it, because the Bible is wholly imperfect and true. And so in one day, 23,000 died, and overall, maybe two days, 24,000 died. So both statements are true, and and the 23,000, though, that's important because God is linking the number 23 and multiples of 10. And 10 points to completeness, and 23 in the Bible points to tribulation or judgment, and and so we see this matter of Baal Peor, where 23,000 died in one day, because they were committing fornication, committing fornication. When the early church um met, they they they had a lot to kind of work out due to Judaizers and those that said you have to keep the law of Moses, you have to be circumcised. These were big issues for the early church, and then they held a council to discuss these things, and they came up with just four laws for the New Testament churches and congregations, for the Gentiles who would enter into the churches and congregations. It says in Acts 15, uh, verse 19 um uh I think this is James, wherefore my sentence is that we trouble not them which from among the Gentiles are turned to God. That is, don't trouble them with sacrifices, with um circumcision, you know, all these things that that the Jews had to keep in the Old Testament. We trouble not them which from among the Gentiles are turned to God, but that we write unto them that they abstain from pollution of idols, Baal Pior, and from fornication, and from things strangled and from blood. So the church was commanded to abstain from fornication, and over in verses 28 and 29, same chapter, for it seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things that ye abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication, from which, if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, fare ye well. That's a law for the New Testament church, and then we find in the book of Revelation, chapter 2, where where God is addressing the churches that they violated that law. It says in in Revelation 2, um uh oh, let's see, Revelation 2 14, but I have a few things against thee, and this is the church of Pergamos, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaum, who taught Balak to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, Baal PR, and to commit fornication. And and so that's a big thing that violates the law that that was established, and the Holy Ghost was you know that that's the word of God anyway. Of course, it's the Holy Ghost. That's that's the law of God for the church. You must not commit fornication. Now it goes on to say in another address to the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2 and verse 20 notwithstanding, I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. The the um uh connection is made to this committing fornication to Jezebel teaching falsely, false teaching, false gospels are what God is referring to. It's spiritual fornication, that's why it's addressed to the church, you know. Um, abstain from idols, of course, abstain from fornication, committing fornication, and yet the churches did it in the first century. In the first century, it goes on to say in Revelation 2, uh verse 21, and I gave her space to repent of her fornication, and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and then that commit adultery with her into great tribulation. There, there's where the great tribulation comes in that Bob was mentioning. If if you engage in spiritual fornication, which is teaching wrongly, falsely, and uh you're you're doing what the Israelites did on a more literal level, and and God will judge you, churches and congregations, uh, as it it says in Revelation 2, um, in verse 29, he that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. So the church of Thyatire or the Church of Pergamos, um God is speaking to them, but it's addressed to all the churches, and all the churches. Let's ask the question: Have they taught falsely? Have they brought false gospels? And the answer is yes. Yes, they have taught falsely, they have brought false gospels, they have therefore committed spiritual fornication, and the judgment of God was I will cast her into a bed, and then they commit adultery with her into great tribulation, megusphilipsis, and that's why God ended the church age in 1988, and the great tribulation began, which is great tribulation, is the is um was simultaneous with God's judgment, beginning at the house of God. It's the judgment of God upon the churches and congregations for the matter we can say of Baal Pior. Now, what one other thing, one other thing, you know, the 23,000, the 23,000. Well, in Numbers 31, if we go back there, after they uh wipe out the Midianites at the command of God for um uh causing Israel to, you know, it was a plan to cause uh at Balaam's council, causing Israel to fall in this, and God said, Now I want you to destroy the Midianites, and they they went to battle and they destroyed the Midianites, and they took back prey, the spoil that is called prey. And when we count up the the um the amount of the prey, and it's listed in later on the chapter, I won't I won't go through that detail, but the amount of the prey totals eight hundred and forty thousand, and that involves animals and people, it's eight hundred and forty thousand. Then God tells them take half four hundred thousand and and give it to that that would be to the um those who went to war, the soldiers, and out of the 420,000, the Lord would take his portion, and what was the portion of the Lord? When and uh, you know, the calculations are given in the chapter. Anybody, of course, read it and and you know, get your calculator, and you'll see this is correct. Out of the 420,000 given to the men of war, the Lord's portion was 840, and then there was the other half, which was 420,000, given to the congregation of Israel that did not go to the war, and out of that there was a portion for the Levites, and the Levites' portion was uh when again um God would say give a certain number to the Levites, their portion was 8,400. So we we see 840,000 total overall, Jehovah's portion 840, Levites' portion was 8,400, and and then uh actually um uh I I thought it'd be interesting. Well, what if you minus 840,000 minus 8400 minus 840, you know, Lord's portion, Levite's portion, and the number left, the number left. I I don't remember the number, sorry, but I do remember what it broke down to seven times 276 times 430, and another way of putting that is seven times 12 times 23, which totals 276 times 10 times 43, which totals 430. But the the 276 from the men on board the ship and x27, and and that's one of those extra special numbers, you know, it's 12 times 23. 23 is a tribulation number. That that's something we should really get in our heads. 12 would be fullness, and also it's a special number because if you go uh if you add up one plus two plus three plus four all the way to 23, totals 276. So it it's like a uh extra special emphasis on the number 23. But see, this is why we we relate 84, the number 84 with 23. 23,000 die in the matter of Bel Pior, and then when they wipe them out and they take the spoil, 84, 84, 84 are multiples, you know, multiples of 10 to what what is this 84? Well, uh in the actual Great Tribulation from May 21, 1988 through May 21, 2011, 23 exact years, 8,400 days. We we see that relationship 8423. Or um there are those who like to speak of the tribulation, they think it'll be seven years, and actually, the Bible uses the figure of seven years in the days of of Joseph. In the time of Joseph, there was a famine seven years long, and that famine is called Great Tribulation or Great Affliction. That the Greek word is the same as um Revelation 2 and Matthew 24, but but seven years times 12, 12 months and a year, 84 months. So when we look at all the tribulation uh figures in the Bible, the seven years, there's three and a half days in Revelation 11, 84 hours. Um, there's the 70-year historical judgment of Judah, 70 times 12, 840. That we we continually see 84, 84, but uh especially in relationship to the 23, the the um 23 years, 8,400 days, um that that basically is the time God judged the church. Why? Because they committed fornication, they spiritual fornication, they were engaged in spiritual idolatry, bail pure. And and uh and the Lord is a jealous God, and he he uh he eventually judged Israel completely for the same thing, and and he uh judged the church too.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

Great. Uh thanks, Chris. Uh, we're gonna check in with the audience. You are listening to the Bible Exalted Program. That was a very good uh explanation about tribulation, especially about the number uh 84. That's really uh very much a blessing to see that number, especially the breakdown. So uh we're gonna check in with our our folks who have made some comments. Carl, I think uh you highlighted someone there. Could you read that question?

SPEAKER_01 28:35

All right, so this person writes on Facebook tell me about Jesus' second coming and the current situation in the world where we are going.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_05 28:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 28:51

Uh any anybody wanna start well, like we like I was saying before, uh the Bible teaches that Jesus already came uh in judgment upon the whole world in uh on May 21, 2011. He started that with the church, he began with the judgment of the church in uh officially in 1994, September 7, 1994. Um Judgment begins with the house of God. And um as we read in 1 Peter 4, 17, and then uh after the after the um uh the full 23 years of the great tribulation ended on May 21, 2011, Jesus put down Satan from ruling in the churches. Uh and and God is God uh installed him there as part of the judgment on the churches, and uh for that whole 23 years. And that was always Satan's desire, as as we read in uh, I think it's Isaiah 14. Um, and then May 21, 2011, God the cup of his wrath that was being poured out on the corporate church was then extended to be poured out on the whole rest of the word. And it's all spiritual, you can't see it. Um it's a spiritual judgment. And uh, you know, just like the judgment um on Adam and Eve, uh, when they sinned, uh God said, and the day you eat of this fruit, you will surely die. But you know, they ate they ate the fruit, and Adam lived, I think, to 930 years old physically, but he had spiritually died. And he was he and every the whole human race became under the the the uh the judgment of God and subject to his wrath unless he intervened uh during our lifetime to to make us born again spiritually. And uh yeah, so since since May 21, 2011, the world has been under spiritual judgment, and um we we uh Christ came in the clouds of glory, not not the physical clouds that everybody's looking for him to come in. Um He came in the clouds of witnesses uh in the Bible. The Bible is a cloud of witnesses, and we we we we've come to understand from the Bible that that's according to the biblical time timeline of history, that's when he came.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Yeah. There's there's much to discuss when you say tell me about Jesus' second coming, because uh judgment first begins at the house of God. And so when we say you know, Jesus' second coming, there has to be certain events that need to take place in order for Christ to come and rule. So Satan obviously unfortunately took his seat in the temple, showing himself to be God. And so there are end time uh data points and and physical, spiritual things that that took place, like Israel becoming a nation in 1948. That was the parable of the figure. And so there are certain things that that would have to take place in order for Christ to to come, certain fulfilled uh prophecy in the scriptures. And so the current situation in the world, I'm sure a lot of people are asking that now. Uh I just heard an uh an article that church attendance has gone up, um, but we are in a state of hell. It's hell on earth. Uh Christ is ruling as judge, and he's pouring out his vials of wrath upon the earth. And that's all spiritual language, of course. And so that is the current situation in the world. And when we talk about the vials, that's the that's the wrath of God declared from the word of God. So when so when someone hears the vials, you're not it's not a physical flask or a volcano or anything, anything physical in nature, but it's the word of God being fulfilled, bringing judgment and condemning the wicked and the unjust. And so this no salvation is the current situation in the world. And I believe where we are going is the fulfillment of the timeline of history. And I believe mounting biblical evidence culminating to 2033, Lord willing, based on mounting biblical evidence, that would be the year of the rapture. That's where I believe we are going.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

And a lot of churches they'll tell you right now there's like a checklist of things that still have to happen in order for Jesus to come, and they don't realize that everything's been checked. You know, we've we're already past the great tribulation, we're in judgment day, and so what everything that's happening in the world, we're not looking for Christ coming, we're we're going through Christ has already come. So this we're in the end of the world, the end time.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

Yeah, that that that's a good question. Um, thank you for asking that question. That is a good question, and um it's a little similar to what the disciples asked in Matthew 24. What shall be the sign of thy coming in the end of the world? And in Matthew 24, Jesus in the whole chapter um goes into explanation for that, and it has to do with um uh he he mentions false prophets and false Christs, and and that would tie in with a church that goes apostate, falls away from truth. And we've seen that with the churches of the world. The churches of the world are not true to the Bible, and that's that spiritual fornication that I was mentioning earlier, and so God began the first Peter 4:17 says judgment begins at the house of God, but it transitioned, and and this has already taken place on May 21, 2011. That was the day of transition from God just judging the churches of the world to now judging all unsaved inhabitants of the world, and we have been living on the earth since then till now, in the day of judgment, in the day of the wrath of God, and it's the reason why the world is so uh troubled right now. Um the Christ has come spiritually, and it in order to understand um if that's possible, just think of the Garden of Eden when God told Adam, in the day you eat of the fruit of this tree, you will die. And Adam did eat and Eve. Did they fall over physically and die? No, they lived, Adam lived 930 years after that, and so he did not die physically. Well, did he not die at all? No, he did die in that day in his soul. Ezekiel 18, verse 4 tells us the soul that sinneth, it shall die. And and so uh the soul is our spirit, you can't see it, it's invisible. Spiritual things are invisible things, and and yet that was a judgment upon mankind that was invisible, it was spiritual. That's what God has done on May 21, 2011. He shut the door of heaven. Well, we never saw heaven's door when it was open. You it's not a physical thing, heaven, heaven itself is a spiritual place, and and God shutting the door, we didn't see, but the Bible tells us about it. And let me read a verse where God says that in Luke 13, in verse um 20 24 or 25. Luke 13, 25. When once the master of the house is risen up and has shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us, and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. The master of the house is God, he's risen up in judgment and shut the door to heaven, which is a spiritual door, but he tells us in the Bible, and and so the people of God are given eyes to see spiritual things, the truth of scripture, and we're given eyes of understanding. So we understand yes, because the Bible locked in that day and much other information. It's judgment day on the world, it's a spiritual judgment at this time, and where we're going uh is to the last day of a prolonged judgment day period, and and there's much biblical evidence pointing to the year 2033 for the end. It uh, you know, a lot of um theologians speak of a lot of different scenarios, and they talk about Christ coming and reigning a thousand years on the earth, and it's it it's not that, it's not that it will be the end of the world, the end of all things, if the biblical evidence is proven correct, and you know, all the scriptures that are pointing to this, and it must happen, surely there is an end, there there will come an end to this world. And can can we really uh pick a better time than now? Can we can we find um a generation of men upon the earth in all past history that that is like this present generation of men upon the earth? Or is this the last generation? It it would seem fitting for this generation that um has so much abounding iniquity, multiplication of iniquity across the face of the earth in every way imaginable, that this is uh an appropriate generation for God to end the world. The things going on in the world today are very much lined up with what we would expect for an end-time generation, unless you can you can imagine a world worse, and and that is always possible. Yes, men can go ever further down into the depths of depravity, but this is you know sufficiently bad enough, I think. And and the timetable of the Bible is laid out pointing to this particular year, and that year is not far away. Um, but uh at this time, we're not trying to frighten anyone, we're not trying to scare you, we don't want you to accept anything, we don't want anyone who is listening to walk down an aisle. That that's a false gospel, that's part of the spiritual fornication, accepting Christ, walking down aisles, making decisions for Christ. God doesn't want any of that. God doesn't want any of that in the people who truly represent God. We don't want that either. We don't want anyone to do anything. We're not trying to scare anyone, we're not even trying to warn you. We're we're uh actually we're just trying to feed the sheep because there is a great multitude out there that God has already saved, and He saved them with that message of judgment, and they will be very much in tune when they hear Judgment Day, May 21, 2011, and 2033, the end of the world. That that is um uh basically the spiritual food that that we're trying to share. Uh and we're we're you know, it comes from the Bible, it's it's not coming from us. Uh, that's why we'll constantly refer to scripture to prove our points.

SPEAKER_06 41:39

Hey Chris, you mentioned the door to heaven was shut, you know, and that was just like what happened back in um 4990 BC when um after Noah built the ark at God's direction, uh God brought the flood. And uh it says that you know God shut the door to the ark, and everybody in the inside, all the animals and Noah's family, they were all safe and sound, and everybody outside uh died because the waters you know went above the highest mountains of that day. Um was it 23 cubits? Umbits. Yeah, okay. Uh 15 cubits. But anyhow, the and and Jesus says, as in the days of Noah, or so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. And uh, you know, that equates with the fact that God shut the door, the spiritual door that you were talking about that nobody can see. Uh he shut the door of heaven, which means there's no more salvation after May 21, 2011. And there's a couple of verses that uh that that point to this and and that talk about tribulation to use the word uh tribulation in Matthew 24, 29. We read uh immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. You know, and uh of course, all of these figures, the the sun, the moon, the stars, and the powers of the heavens, they're all you can't look at them as as physical things. You have to look at them spiritually, and they are all lights, and that they rep, you know, they represent the light of the gospel, and so uh the light that provides salvation. Um, you know, the sun being a figure of Christ and the moon, a figure of the Bible, the stars, a figure of of the elect, and and the powers of of the heavens, uh the power of salvation. So after the tribulation, which was which ended on May 21, 2011. All of these lights were put out, meaning there was no more salvation. And an associate verse is also in Mark 13, 24, where it says, But in those days after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, saying the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

So we got we got another comment. Somebody writes, religion is a mental illness, a psychosis, unable to distinguish between reality and fiction.

SPEAKER_06 44:36

Wow, where do we go with that? Well, the Bible is the is the true reality.

SPEAKER_05 44:41

Well, well, you know, um have you uh uh you know this gentleman, have you looked at your world recently? Uh have you looked out the window? And doesn't matter where you're at, take a look at your world. And the you know, it it's it's an old uh hat. The the uh rolling of the eyes and my aren't you crazy because you believe the Bible, that tactic, and it is a tactic, doesn't work anymore. And the reason why is because your world, and I say your world because um, you know, God's elect, we're in the world, but we're not of the world. Jesus said, I pray for them, I do not pray for the world. So we we've been translated from this world. It's it's not our world. We're we're we're strangers, we're passers by, and we're soon to pass out of here. But um have you taken a look at your world? It's not the world of the God of the well, God made it, but it is the people of the earth that have corrupted it to the degree that it's corrupt. And look out there, and here's what you'll see. And God wrote about it very clearly in Ecclesiastes chapter nine. Let me let me read this, and you'll see why your tactic, you you really have to come up with something else. Uh, it says in Ecclesiastes 9, verse 3, this is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all, yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead. That is a description of the people of the world. That there's madness in your in their hearts, and their hearts are full of evil. So uh really the Bible is the solution to madness. Um, there was a man who had legion, and we could say he was out of his mind, he he was possessed with devils in Luke chapter 8, and Christ cast out the devils, and then we read that the man was he he was running around naked, he was clothed and in his right mind. That that is what the Bible does to the child of God, it takes away the madness of thinking that um, you know, first of all, that that we came from big bangs and evolution, we we came from um something that they is so ridiculous and absurd. Uh a trillion uh of origin, it's nonsense, it's absolute nonsense, and yet because people of the world the the last thing they want is there to be an actual God, a real God, the God of the Bible, because they know they're in trouble with God, so they will they will prefer the madness and and ridiculous theories of evolutions and whatever origin, other than the plain statement of the God of the Bible, the creator. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and there we have explanation. But um, yeah, well, thanks, thanks for um commenting. Yeah, but your your comment has I'll I'll just say this and then Gary can go. Your your comment has no force, no force. What it's it's that like the old saying, you know, um the inmates are running the asylum. When the people of the world in their madness try to mock others, oh you're crazy because you believe that book, the Bible. And and and you when we uh can see their madness, it's so evident, it's so plain. You can see the madness of the world. So you have lost any high ground that seemingly you once possessed, you never really possessed it, but you have lost it. And and it it doesn't matter what kind of statement you make, because everyone knows the whole world's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Yeah, there's a a Bible verse in James 1, verse uh 26 and 27. Many times I would pass out tracts and people would say, I don't I don't like religion. And I would say, Well, there's something called pure religion. Have you ever heard of it? So verse uh 26 and 27 of James 1 If any man among you seem to be religious, embridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart. This man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep himself unspotted from the world. So I love it. When someone tries to point the finger at religion, they may have seen you know many people abusing the Bible.

SPEAKER_05 50:22

Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. And and you're right, there is pure religion. The pure religion is the Bible. And and uh I understand, I understand atheists, and and they look out there and they see they see the false religions of the world, and it's all of them, and then they see the Christian in the churches, and they don't have understanding that the God of the Bible who established the church, he set it up, it's his institution. And during the time of the church, it was uh a good institution. In of course, there was always apostate churches, but we've come to the end of the church age, to the end of uh the time where God was using the churches, and and um people think they're they're going to lash out at the church by saying something like that to us, and they don't have understanding. We're we have no part of any church. As a matter of fact, we teach from the Bible the church age is over, and God is judging all the churches, and and so yes, it's true. If you look at the corrupt religions, and and that's all religions, including all churches, doesn't matter denomination, all churches in the world are apostate and judged, and and the God of the Bible has nothing to do with them. The churches of the world are actually part of your world, they're part of your world. They're uh they're uh just like the Muslim, just like the Buddhist, just like the the Jewish religions, they're all part of your world, they are not identified with the God of the Bible anymore. And we on this program at eBible Fellowship, we're not identified with any of them. We agree, they're corrupt, they're apostates, but it's when you say this book, and the God of this book, it uh when you speak against that, well, uh then you've gone too far, and now you're in as much error as the churches that you might point your finger at, or as whatever religion you're pointing your finger at, and you're saying there are liars, and well, now when you say the God of the Bible and the holy word of God, the Bible itself is not true or God doesn't exist, now you're the liar, and you're on equal footing as far as putting forth falsehoods as every one of those religions. There's no difference, and you're all, as a matter of fact, you're all serving the same spiritual father, the father of lies, who is the devil, Satan himself, and and so you might sit back and mock and laugh and and and and point your bony finger at this religion and that religion, and uh, like the saying goes, the other fingers are pointing back at you, or the atheist and the secularists, because you're just as you're in the same boat, you're in the same condition.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

There's one more verse I wanted to share, and then we can go to that next question. But in Jeremiah 50, which is referring to our time period now, the judgments on the world, it says, A drought is upon her waters and they shall be dried up, for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols. You see, the world and all the religions, they're they're the ones who are the mad ones, right? They're going after all these false gods that they've worshipped. It doesn't have to be literal gods, it can be you know celebrities, um, just various different types of idols.

SPEAKER_05 54:18

Well, well, you see, Carl, you see if you read the Bible half hour a day, you're a fanatic. But if you pour over sports, you know, all day long, three, four, five hours, and you call up the the sports programs, and you well, before that, you're listening all day and you're calling them up, and you're glued to your TV or your computer, you know, for the three and a half hour game or four hours, or maybe you go to the game in wintery conditions, you rip off your shirt, you're painted half blue and half whatever color, and you're screaming yourself hoarse for four hours. That's normal. That's normal. But to pick up the word of God and and to love the word of God and dig into the word of God and study the word of God, what a nut. What a nut. See, I I grew up like that. I know exactly how the world thinks. And I also know the world is out of its mind, has always been out of its mind, and God at the last is showing us it's out of its mind. That's what's happening now.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

And also, just not to mention the churches, you know, they've they've become mad now that God's judging.

SPEAKER_05 55:35

They're part of the world, yeah. They've been annexed. That's what happened when Satan entered in. He took them over. They're the that that's what I mean when I said that criticizing the church. Okay, well, God has nothing to do with that. The spirit of God's not there, that they're part of your world. Uh, not you, Carl. They're they're part of the world. And uh, you know, in other words, the atheist has more connection to the church at this time than the elect. We we've come out of the church. We're we follow Christ. He left the church, we followed him out. We have nothing to do with any churches. Um, so if religion's causing a problem in the world, if it's causing or or involved in wars and all that kind of thing, that's nothing to do uh as far as uh you know identifying with the God of the Bible anymore.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

I love that comment of four morons. I'm actually honored.

SPEAKER_04 56:37

Well, the Bible does say we're cool. I'm honored, I think. Well, um, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_06 56:42

Um I'm looking for a verse in in Acts where uh Paul was in front of uh either Felix or Festus. I can I can't find it, but it says, Paul, you know, you you're mad.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

Yeah, you're beside your much learning, but learning definitely being mad.

SPEAKER_06 57:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:01

Um, anybody find that verse? I can find that. You know what's interesting about the verse? Acts 26. Do you try there?

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Maybe the last person the person saying that we're morons, I I would be so surprised to say, well, what's your solution? You know, he probably would say, Well, just be a good person.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

See, that kind of one that just I would just delete. Yeah, he he, you know, what what's what's the point? When when somebody just gets into insulting, he's not making any statement. He he's not um you know, we we just talked about a whole bunch of stuff. I just said the whole world's mad and insane. Defend it. Defend it. Go ahead, put it in the text. You tell me how the world is so sane. You tell me how people are in their right minds. Go ahead, do that, but you can't. You can't. So you say, Oh, yeah, you know, um he you you you know you can't attack the substance because it's the truth, and so all you can do is is say, uh, you know, I don't like the way you look, or you're more okay, so what? I don't care. We have a better comment. No concern for that. That that has nothing to do uh with um, you know, uh, if you want to engage in a conversation, then and this is your world, why don't you stick up for it? Why don't you stick up for it? I'll you know, we're we're representing by God's grace the word of God, the Bible, and we'll tell you this book is the truth, this book is holy, this book uh is so much greater and better than anything in this whole corrupt world. And now you're it's your world that's shaking out there, your world that's on fire out there. Come defend your world.

SPEAKER_06 59:05

You know, a big problem is that people don't believe uh in the resurrection of Christ and that we will be resurrected or raptured at the end of the world. Um, you know, and that's and we're called fools. And I found that verse, it says, uh, Paul was saying we're we're uh it's uh Acts 26, uh 23, that Christ should suffer. Paul was saying this, that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and that and should show light unto the people and to the Gentiles. And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself, much learning doth make thee mad. And that's what this guy is saying. But Paul said, but he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak forth the words of truth and soberness. That's what we're that's what we're trying to point out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Yeah, remember when Lot told his sons-in-law, he said, Up, get ye out of this place, for God's gonna destroy the city. They thought he was mocking. He thought there were one that mocked. So that just lets you know you know, they make light of the word of God, and God says those that will do so will be lightly esteemed. So as much as they disregard God, God in turn has just as much disregarded them.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

Well, and also just if you consider Paul's life, you know, before before that he was putting Christians to death, you know, and they and they're considering him mad when he's actually doing something good.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:42

Uh I I see we have another question on the screen. Um, I'll read it uh from Reed. Did you say that May 21, 2011 was the start of the end times? And actually what we've been saying uh is that there's two tribulations at the time of the end, and tribulation is a synonym for judgment, and God began judgment at the house of God, and the house of God is the church, and that started uh way back. 1 Peter 4 17, yeah, way back 1988, and went 23 years until 2011, actually started May 21, 1988, went to May 21, 2011, that finished the judgment on the church and began the second phase, the judgment on the world, and and so two tribulations, two judgments. Um and and so since May 21, 2011, God has been judging the world. What's wrong with the world now? What um why is the world so divided? Well, uh, what does it say in the Bible? A house divided cannot stand, a kingdom divided cannot stand, and if Satan be divided, he cannot stand but has an end. So the the world is the judge and divider, and Jesus is the judge and divider, and the nations are or were the kingdom of Satan. Uh he he had won them by right of conquest, and now the nations are divided, indicating the kingdom of Satan, consisting of all really unsaved inhabitants of the earth, has fallen, the world is fallen. It's it's why um you know everyone and their brother uh is arguing with one another uh hostily, and and uh there's little agreement. And when people find agreement, well, wait a little bit, wait a little bit, and you'll see those who are agreed are now at each other's throats. That's the nature of judgment day, and we we could provide, I don't think this kind of program would be the best for it, but we could show you four or five scriptures, end-time scriptures, where the Bible says that they destroyed one another, everyone against their brother, and and that's what's happening on the street in in all the cities, all the nations of the world. It is it is the unsaved against the unsaved fighting, tearing one another up, uh, because Christ is on the judgment throne, and as judge, he's divider, he's divider, and it's working out that way um all over the earth.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:46

One of the verses is in 2 Chronicles 2023, this is an account where you have three armies that initially were teamed up to fight the army of Judah, and it's a very interesting battle because something very unique happens, and that is instead of helping to fight to destroy Judah, they actually end up destroying themselves. God turns the three armies against each other, and it says, For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir, utterly to slay and to destroy them, and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, everyone helped to destroy another. So you see that in the world. People who are once getting along, you know, teaming up, even just recently with like past elections, seemed like everyone was on board, and then all of a sudden this fractures, and people are now splitting off, and it's just gonna continue to fracture and divide.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:38

You know, there's a verse uh and I'm gonna read this question. Christ says, I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how am I straightened till it be accomplished? Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth, I tell you, nay, but rather division. For from henceforth there shall be five in one household house divided, three against two and two against three. And we know by two or by three uh witnesses a word is established. So uh what we're seeing in the last days now because judgment has come first on the house of God, and now it's uh it's entirely on the earth. May 21, 2011 was a culmination of judgment where the fire was kindled, but there were certain uh spiritual things that must have taken place. So the beginning of judgment day, you know, God talks about the man of sin uh being revealed. And that would be Satan, who takes his seat in the temple, the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet. So when we when we talk about the beginning of the end, uh God lays out how the end will be, and so by comparing Spiritual with spiritual, we can see that the judgment day process can span the day can span over a long period of time. And from what we're seeing, decades, decades.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

And and the division in families has always occurred throughout history when somebody's become saved. So that verse could be also referring to the division that would occur even during the day of salvation. Because uh somebody who became saved, now they're in a different kingdom, and so there's this conflict. But the other but the division we're talking about too is uh just those only in Satan's kingdom turning against each other. That type of division would be God's kingdom against Satan's kingdom.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:45

I was gonna say, you know, regarding the uh the great tribulation that we read about in Matthew 24, um there's another passage uh that uses that phrase great affliction, uh great tribulation or great affliction in Acts 7.11. Uh there we read, now there came a dearth, or no, dearth is a famine, over all the land of Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction, and that's the word, the words Megus Thelipsis, 3173 and 2347, or great afflict great tribulation. And our fathers found no sustenance. So it's it's talking about about back in the days. I'm gonna I might need help with this guy, so jump in if I you know mess up, but back in the days of Jacob and Joseph, okay, uh Joseph interpreted the uh Pharaoh's dreams uh and and revealed that there would be seven years of plenty, which represented the church age, okay, the church age which lasted from 33 A.D. until 1988 A.D. Okay. There would be seven years of plenty back during his time, and then seven years of famine. And the seven years of famine, the seven years of plenty were the church age. The seven years of famine were pointing to the 23-year, 8,400-day Great Tribulation of our day. That was one example that God gave us in the Old Testament that pointed to it. And, you know, I don't think anybody knew about that until um, you know, Mr. Camping uh studied it, and and you know, God was gracious to give him understanding about that. So that was one example of a great tribulation, and then the another example was the 70 years uh of tribulation from 609 BC until 539 BC, 70 years. And there was um uh yeah, that that 70 years rep was also a picture, it was a time when uh uh Egypt and Babylon had had defeated uh Jerusalem and Judah and taken uh taken the people, the the uh the people of Judah and Jerusalem, cap either killed them or took took them captive. And those 70 years uh we've come to learn that they represented the 23-year, 8400-day Great Tribulation of our day, or that that has already passed. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

Yeah, and then the third one would be.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:42

If you want to jump in. Yeah, yeah, there's mid there's midpoints, there's midpoints in each of each of those tribulations. And um I guess when Joseph revealed himself um that he was he was in charge, you know, he he had been raised up to be second in command of of uh Egypt, and he revealed himself to his brothers who had thrown him into uh sold him into slavery, and uh that was in the at the midpoint of the seven years of famine.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

Um it's probably better to say dividing point because it's not exactly in the middle.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

Yeah, dividing point.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:21

Um I don't uh uh if it's okay, I'd like to change the subject to the question on the screen. I've seen it like five different times, and we haven't addressed it yet. I don't see the screen. You don't see the screen?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:36

She's on phone, so it might be oh okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:39

Well, the question that same word tribulations from Miriam is used to describe the life of a child of God in this life as well. So there is a distinction between that type of tribulation and the great tribulation. Yeah, like uh, I think uh I forget who mentioned it, John 16 33. In the world, yeah, you will have tribulation. So that's normative for the world. Um and and great tribulation, megastellipsis is something not normative. So for a Christian, let's say, throughout history, living in a hostile world, there would always be tribulation. Uh, we can go back to the Reformation and people were being burned at the stake. That certainly was tribulation. Uh, and and how's that different than our time or that time we've gone through, that 23-year period, 1988 to 2011? Well, because God was focused on the judgment on the church, you know, um, no matter for almost 2,000 years of the church age, 1955 years, no matter how bad things got in the world, there was at least uh in existence a place on earth that the children of God could turn to to find some kind of fellowship or companionship, uh, fellowship with believers and and and comfort and almost like a refuge because uh it was in the church they had the Bible. It was in the church that Christ was spoken of, and and that is what comforts the children of God, the Bible, Christ, the Word of God. And what happened with the Great Tribulation is God judged all churches across the face of the earth. There is no more faithful church since 1988, it's decades ago now, but that's when it began 1988, 23 years. The church was the object of the wrath of God, and uh and and so the children of God for centuries when um facing tribulation in the world would turn to the church for every Sunday. Oh, like an oasis in the desert. But no more, no more, once God ended the church age. That it it see it it greatly magnifies the tribulation, it's great tribulation, great tribulation because the people of God actually we were commanded as God issued forth the command through his word, the Bible, to depart out of the church, leave the church, get out of the church, and no, don't go form another church. The church a the institution of the church is done, and so the people of God left the church and we were on our own for the most part. For the most part, a few fellowships sprung up, but most people were all alone. Thank God for radio at that time with Mr. Camping and Family Radio, and thank God for the electronic medium uh over these years since to develop to this point that we can have fellowship, you know, e Bible fellowship, e stands for electronic, electronic Bible fellowship, where the saints who are most of them isolated um can come together and can experience to some degree that comfort of the hearing the truth of the Bible. Can't find truth in the world anywhere, can't find truth in any of the world's religions, can't find truth in any Christian church in the whole world. The the truth is the word of God, the Bible, but by God's grace, there is a ministry of individuals, none of us belong to any church, just individuals and and the Bible. The Bible, our fellowship is with God through his word, and uh and and and so yes, that was great tribulation, 23 years, and then on May 21, 2011, after 23 full years, 8,400 days, the judgment of God, the object of the wrath of God was changed to the whole world. And look, look again, uh, you know, uh, I'm sure many of us are are aware of things going on for years now where it doesn't seem like much, if anything,'s been going right. That's what happens when one is is um the object of the wrath of God. The church for 23 years, nothing went right. Everything went wrong practically, and now for the world, the world tries this, it doesn't work. The world tries that, it doesn't work. Things grow increasingly worse. God is troubling the inhabitants of the earth because we've entered into another tribulation. Now, I used to wonder, and I know other people did, well, why isn't this great tribulation? If it why was judgment on the church called great tribulation, and this is uh really, we can identify this if we have to identify recompense of tribulation, like Bob read in 2 Thessalonians 1, verse 6. Let me read that, where uh it speaks of Christ coming, and it says in verse 6, seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you, and to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. That's the second part of 1 Peter 4. If we go over there, 1 Peter 4 17, for the time has come, the judgment must begin at the house of God, and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And here in 2 Thessalonians 1, it's a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation. Recompense means repay. Repay the the world of Satan, Satan and his forces, they destroyed the church at God's allowance, but still they should not have stretched forth their hand against that which formerly identified with God. Yet they they did, and now God wants vengeance, vengeance for his temple, and so this whole period is a repayment of tribulation to those that have troubled us who obey not the gospel of God, they they are the people of the nations, and and and so um we we're looking at a second tribulation, first tribulation 23 years, this tribulation 23 inclusive years, 22 actual, if the biblical evidence proves correct, and it will end in 2033 if again um the uh abundant biblical evidence that points to that date uh does come to pass. Well, yeah, go ahead, Carl.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

Well, no, I just don't know if you want to respond to that last comment.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:16

I guess somebody the the one on the screen, yeah, about hero camping.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

And and just to respond, yes, we do follow uh what he used to teach.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:25

Well, uh no, we follow the Bible, and he used to he followed the Bible, and the things he taught, we have checked out and have found most of them true to the Bible, and and so uh we uh uh I personally view Mr. Camping as an extremely faithful man, and uh and uh I know there's a lot of people in the churches that do not, which tells you a lot about the churches. It tells you a lot about the churches, the corruption, the apostasy, the fact that they have no ears for the truth. Um, so it's very typical uh and standard for people in the churches to mock a good and faithful man like Mr. Camping, and that they even join hands with the world. So actually, I don't know, you could be an atheist or you could be an um upstanding member at a local Presbyterian church because there's so little difference uh in able, um, unable often to distinguish. And I mean that sincerely. People will write us things when we're sharing the truth of the Bible, and sometimes I think it's an atheist, and I'm in conversation, I'm addressing them like an atheist. It turns out to be a professed Christian from a church. There, there's little to distinguish at this time because the church is part of the world. The reason why the people of the world, or the people of the churches, the pastors, the elders especially, hated Mr. Camping. It was not because of the date so much of May 21, 2011, but it was because he taught from the Bible that the church age was over, that that judgment began at the house of God. And and he taught the truth of the Bible that the Spirit of God had departed from all churches, and Satan's spirit had entered in. They hated him for that, primarily. And and so uh, yes, and uh and how those who call themselves Christian can rejoice um over and join hands with the world. Oh, the world did not end, Christ did not come. Isn't it wonderful? Uh, you know, that that is something that um is very revealing about um you know the the um spiritual condition of the churches.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

Just regarding his follow-up comment, he writes, uh, only you have the truth question mark that's delusional. And I don't think most people realize that the truth is a gift. You know, we all see we all start out, you know, uh not having the truth. And so when God grants us the truth, you know, it's a gift. And so I think a lot of people don't like that idea how God has granted a certain group of people truth, and so they they they get upset by that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:42

You know, it's interesting, you have all these different denominations. I remember uh Eddie said uh last Saturday, said, How come they never had like a summit to just really pin down what they believe? And so this this dear person is is laughing that we are cultic. Uh, but if you really think about it, one of the things that you really notice is that asking questions is really deterred by a cult. And I tell you, I've been so blessed that there's a QA program where just about six nights a week you can ask a question. And if you notice, we're even putting up your comments here, we're even examining it.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:25

We're examining uh but but we are responding, but we are responding, yeah. Um I again, I don't know um how this individual uh believes or or doesn't believe, but but that's the situation with the churches. It's so bad that um you cannot distinguish between a church member or someone of the world, and and many in the churches use worldly tactics, uh a common worldly tactic, instead of addressing the um many scriptures, say we went over tonight. Uh you you just hear something and you label, and you say, Well, you're a moron, or you're a heretic, or you're part of a cult, and you know, uh you could almost snooze on it. It's so predictable, it's so commonplace, and it's not only over the Bible. Now in all uh areas of politics and whatever in their discussions, that that's uh immediate what they immediately what they go to. It's name calling and labeling. And and so uh, okay, okay, um, you you struck your blow. We'll stick with the Bible, the Bible. And and we just want to share and be faithful to what the Bible says, and and the Bible uh is is a book that is uh it's not bringing good news at this time for the people of the world and the people of the churches. And I'm sorry it's not, but it's not. Uh it's a savor of death unto death for the people of the world and for the churches. Now, for a small few, and and that's what the Bible tells us: many are called, few are chosen. God saved the remnant. You know, um and and and it's true, only few know the truth. Christ is the truth, and he opens up the eyes and understanding of his people, the elect who are few, to that truth, and he leaves the rest, billions of people, in spiritual ignorance and spiritual darkness of understanding. That that that's how God was that a signal, you know, lights out time ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:15

I'm not sure. He got the hook, he got the hook, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:21

Not the first time, Bob.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:23

Well, we do have a few minutes left. Uh, Carl or or Bob, did you want to just say anything to wrap this up or anything that you saw in the comments that you wanted to?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:31

I would just encourage people to uh to actually ask questions and look. Like, you know, I I kind of I think respect comments more, even though they disagree, at least they bring up scripture, you know, or something to dispute uh and say, Oh, you're wrong, you know, what about the scripture? Even if they don't agree, they're bringing it up, but just to attack, it's not uh it doesn't do anything, you know, it doesn't help the conversation, you don't learn anything from it. But uh, but of course, I think that's they often resort to that because they don't have anything to say or they can't uh refute it, you know, is what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:04

I think that's the point. I think um if they can show a little bit of doubt by a mocking tune, maybe there's someone in the audience that feels the same way, just like a tear, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:17

Um concerning mocking, Proverbs 1 actually um indicates that people cannot mock anymore. I mean, yeah, they'll mock, but God uh doesn't view it as mockery any longer. Because what mocking, mocking really is um, especially by atheists, it is rejecting. I reject what you say, I reject this teaching, I reject the Bible, I reject the God of the Bible, therefore I will mock it and I will ridicule it, and I will let Let you know by my you know total disregard that I reject it. But you see, that's why mockery only works if people are being presented something from the gospel from God uh through the gospel. That is, in the day of salvation, God did have his servants go forth with the word of reconciliation, and we and God did beseech people by us, his people, be he reconciled to God, and they mocked it. So that that was actual mockery, they were rejecting it. But at this time, we're in the day of judgment, there is no offer, there is no presentation, there is no going after people with the hope that you will hear and become saved, and and therefore there can be no rejection if if there is no um you know extension of the hand of God towards you in the least bit in any way. Uh that there is, I guess, by definition, then no mockery. And it says in Proverbs uh chapter one, um in this time period, verse 24, because I have called and ye refused, I have stretched out my hand and no man regarded, but ye have said it not all my counsel and would none of my reproof, and all scripture is given for reproof, so we want none of the word of God. I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh, when your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind, when distress and anguish cometh upon you, then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer. They shall seek me early, but they shall not find me, for that they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of Jehovah, they would none of my counsel, they despised all my reproof. God is the one laughing in the day of judgment, and and not, of course, he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. It has nothing to do with hilarity or anything like that. It laughing mocking is rejection. God is rejecting the sinners of the world because he shut the door, he shut the door to heaven. No more salvation on earth. He has rejected all unsaved people in the world. He is actually mocking them in that sense, and and so they might turn around and yeah, they they can call names or they could do this or do that, and they it it's just the old habit of mockery that they've probably been engaged in for. But in actuality, there is no mockery because there's nothing they're being offered. There, there's no no more outreach, no more evangelism from God and his people on the earth at this time.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:24

Yeah, Chris, I next to verse 28, I have a note that I wrote there to go to Revelation 9:5, where it says, And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months, and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion when he striketh a man. And in those days, those days is uh the days that we're living in now, judgment day, men shall seek death and shall not find it, and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. You know, the death that men will seek is is the death of you know uh that Christ paid for the sins of his people, and that's done with. The lights of the the sun, moon, and stars have been put out, and uh the the Christ's death is not available anymore, like you were saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:24

We did get another comment if you guys want to get a little bit of time. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:29

The the scripture verse, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:32

Um I'm not really if you have like an actual uh comment about the verse, you could write it. But I'll just read the verse. It says Jeremiah 23.16. The Lord of hosts hearken not, and I don't know which version of the Bible they're reading though, either. Jeremiah what? JJV, okay. Yeah, Jeremiah 23.16. The Lord of hosts hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you. They make you vain, they speak a vision of their own heart and not out of the mouth of Jehovah. And then a follow-up comment.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:05

It's basically saying we're we're not speaking the truth, we're false prophets. I I think that's the point.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:12

Yeah, because the next comment kind of uh agrees with that. God hates higher.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:18

Okay, um now uh you know you you did go to a verse, that that's that's good. Um, but you have to show where we're wrong. You have to, well, first of all, you have to know what we're saying, you have to know what e-bible fellowship teaches. And and then you you're welcome, and we do welcome it, to uh check it out and like a Berean, like a Berean, we would encourage you to do that. Did the Bereans check the scriptures to see how something wasn't so? No, no, that's a negative way of checking the scriptures. The Bereans searched the scriptures to see if it was so, a positive way. Let me see if what they're saying has any truth to it. And and then you have to go to our website, ebiblefellowship.org, go to our YouTube page. There's hundreds, thousands of videos, and listen, and then find the fault, find the fault, and say, okay, now you said this. Here's the Bible verse that proves you wrong. And we're all ears when you do that, and we have a call-in program Monday through Friday. Anybody can do this. We're we're not hiding, you know, we're we're not saying these things and running away. Um, we're we're out there in the public. You can call us, and and you'll see it if you go to our U eBible Fellowship on YouTube, open forum, phone numbers listed, call us and say, you said this, and you're wrong, you're a liar, you're a false prophet, because the Bible says this. And I would love to hear from you, and uh we'll we'll go to the Bible and and sometimes, yeah, we we could make a mistake, and maybe we'll be corrected. That's what scripture is for. Scripture is not to throw out um you know condemnations um of things we don't like to hear. Scripture is profitable for a number of things, including correction. So use the scripture to correct, not to just um I I think what you're saying doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't ring true to my ear, so therefore you're a liar, or it's it's contradicting something I have heard from my pastor, or whatever. Well, no, that that's not how it's done. You have to you have to go to the Bible and and search the scriptures.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:10

Yeah, and verse, in verse 13 and 14 of that chapter, it's it's it's you know, God is saying, I have seen the folly in the prophets of Samaria, and and they have prophesied in Baal and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also the prophets of Jerusalem, the horrible thing. So, you know, the prophets of Jerusalem, the they're that's talking about the churches. We we've learned that um, you know, in this context, uh and and much of the context of the Old Testament, that Jerusalem, Judah, Israel is a picture of the New Testament churches and and congregations, and that the prophets are a picture of the uh you know the pastors, teachers uh of the churches. So, you know, God is God is condemning them here and saying, you know, not to listen to them. So it it equates with you know not to listen to what the churches say.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:13

And also it's it's easy to label people, you know, false prophets, but it's it's actually more difficult to actually spend the time to steady out what they're saying. And most people, there's a bit of like spiritual laziness, they don't want to take the time to look into what somebody's saying. Like Chris said, go on our website, check out all of our information, and uh, and that would be much more of a diligent approach than just to uh label somebody as a false prophet, because that's easy to do. It's not easy to put in the hours, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:43

Not to mention, you know, you can you can post a lot of Bible verses, and you know, for the for someone on the outside, or if you quote a verse by memory, one would would walk away thinking this person is actually applying these verses you know directly to the to whatever we're discussing, but actually if you look at it, they really don't necessarily relate. And like what Chris is saying, it might not be targeted directly to what we're we're teaching, but they're just generalizations with someone that may not understand what we're discussing in the scriptures.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:17

Yeah, yeah, and they're and false prophets can also, you know, in the Bible there were false prophets who didn't think they were false prophets, you know, often like Micaiah, like the 400 prophets, you know. Um not four, yeah, I think it was the 400 prophets, right? With Micaiah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:33

False prophets are normally uh well received, they're normally spoken well of, uh, you know, because they speak smooth things, they they tell people God loves you, God has a wonderful plan for your life. Christ died for everyone. You know, um who who doesn't want to hear that? The only problem is none of it's true, none of it's true, and and Jeremiah, the Lord um through Jeremiah, moved Jeremiah to declare um that because there was a prophet, a false prophet, an actual false prophet, who was um saying two full years, and the and they'll win over Babylon and all the vessels of the temple be brought back. And Jeremiah said, Amen. Yeah, let it let it be. And and then he told them the word of the Lord, which which was um, you know, many prophets have prophesied of pestilence and famine and and death and and uh and wars and so forth. And when a prophet speaks a word of peace, we'll when that comes to pass, we'll know if he's a prophet. In other words, true prophets speak hard things having to do with matters of judgment on, as we've been discussing, the church in the world that fits the characteristic of true prophets rather than false prophets that are trying to appease their listeners, trying to um speak sweet little nothings into your ear, so you will join up with us and and you will you will support us and send us money. We're not asking for money, we don't care if you join us, we don't want any of that. We're not trying to get anything from you, we're just trying to tell people the truth, the truth that the world has never told you, that the apostate church at this end time has never told you this is the truth, and you know, uh it's time um to take it, it's time to listen to it. It is the explanation for what's happening all over the earth at this time. God is angry, God is wrathful, God is judging the inhabitants of the world, and before this, he was angry, he was wrathful, and he judged all within the churches and congregations who remained there when he ended the church age. Judgment began at the house of God and now it's on the world. And uh yeah, I know, I know how it must sound uh to people who are spoon-fed the Bible. Uh, it is this is this um uh appealing enough to you? If if it's if it's a little rough, I can change it. I can change, I can make it smoother, I I can make it more palatable to your taste, I can you know redefine it so you can um you know receive it, uh, and and that's basically what the churches have been doing. They're they're teaching to itching ears, flattering things, and we're not interested in that. You know, we've come out of the churches because of that. We don't want any part of that, we just want what the Bible actually says, and at this time, yeah, it's very, very difficult information. It it's hard to find anything good. The only good thing is God saved the great multitude and he has a plan to draw them to himself. He saved them before he shut the door of heaven, and and so the only hope would be for individuals out there that maybe God saved me years ago and will draw me now.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:00

I've even seen like pastors online, you know, try to use verses like that, you know, against others about the itching ears, and I almost kind of chuckle because then you look at what they believe, and they have all these doctrines where they're they're trying to appeal to.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:16

Well, I I was reading the comment. If we were trying to recruit, we're using the worst business model. That is so true. That is so true. This isn't how you do it, you know. Uh you you if you want to develop your business and the churches are businesses today, you you gotta tell them nice things, you gotta tell them kind things. You you you don't want to insult them, you don't want to to scare them away. And no, we're uh right. We we have no business, except our business is the truth of the Bible. That's all we're concerned about. We're not concerned about um you know building anything. There's nothing to build up, there's no institution. What are we gonna build up?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:07

Yeah. Well, I really enjoyed uh tonight's program discussing tribulation, and uh I'm very thankful we were able to uh come together, especially with StreamYard. We got very robust responses, a couple of epithets questions, and uh lively uh discussion. We hope that you can join us again uh next Friday, Lord willing, at uh I believe 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And please don't forget we have the Day in the Word this Sunday in person in Melville, New Jersey. Looking forward to seeing you there, Lord willing, if you can make it, or on our streaming platforms on uh eBiblefellowship.org or YouTube or Zoom or the Roku channel if it's on.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:58

Well, friends. We're on daylight time, guardian. You turn your clock forward.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:06

Well, uh friends, uh Lord willing, we hope to see you again next Friday. And until the next time, may the Lord richly bless you during this time of judgment. Good night.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:16

Good night, good night. Thanks for joining us for this segment of the Bible Exalted Program, presented by eBible Fellowship, the Electronic Bible Fellowship. Visit our website at eBiblefellowship.org or our YouTube channel. You can also reach us by email at info at eBiblefellowship.org. And until our next Bible Exalted program, may the Lord's perfect will be done.