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The Bible Exalted 032 The Resurrection!

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The Bible Exalted! is a podcast program that seeks to uplift the word of God which is being highly exalted at this time. Each episode explores both sides of a doctrine, examining how one passage of Scripture may seem to teach one truth while another points in a different direction. Through careful study, the program seeks to uncover the harmony of the Bible as a whole, showing which understanding aligns with the full testimony of Scripture.


"...rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

About Panel Speakers:

Chris McCann:
Chris grew up in Philadelphia. Like many of God’s elect, he was first raised in the ways of the world until God drew him to His Word, the Bible. With an earnest desire to study the Scriptures and uncover the mysteries hidden within them, Chris—together with others—founded the ministry of eBibleFellowship. The ministry is dedicated to faithfully proclaiming all that is written in the Word of God and striving to remain true to its teachings.

Bob Grande:
Bob was also raised in the Philadelphia area.  God drew him to be interested in studying the Bible in the early 1990's.  He attended church until 2001 and departed out after learning about the end of the church age. He is currently seeking to grow in the grace of God.


Gary Daniels:
Gary from Philadelphia: Gary grew up listening to both a faithful ministry that at the time declared the truth from the Bible for many years, but also was under the pentecostal church. God led him toward the truth and is thankful for God's mercy showing many truth's from the Bible


Karl von Harringa:
Karl was born and raised in Ohio, just outside of Columbus. From an early age, he was brought up under the hearing of the truth and developed an interest in the Bible. He grew up in a household where the Word of God was central.

SPEAKER_04

And now here's a pre-recording of an eBible Fellowship panel discussion. Good night, everyone. Welcome again to eBible Fellowships, the Bible Exalted Program. I'm your host, Gary Daniels, and tonight we're seeking the Bible's answers to various topics, in which the Bible has the final say in the matter. Joining us this evening are our beloved three panel speakers, Bob Grandi, Chris McCann, and Carl von Horinga. Welcome again, folks, if you're listening by radio and folks watching us via StreamYard. Tonight's discussion is the resurrection. We are celebrating across the world the uh Good Friday evening, and we are very pleased that we can discuss this wonderful topic. Once again, you're joining us live online via YouTube and StreamYard. If you'd like to join the conversation, we'll open up uh the opportunity at the half hour mark. This is a one and a half hour program in its entirety and a one-hour broadcast for those at a later time. So we ask that you stay on topic and also that you keep your comments uh appropriate. So once again, that tonight's topic is the resurrection, and let's go to our panel with a one-time new intro to Carl. Carl's gonna open up and we're gonna start with you.

SPEAKER_02

And just before I start, I just want to let people know that if they have questions at the half hour mark, they can click that stream yard link that's in the chat. They can join in, and then you can join you can join in and ask the question. So all right, with that said, uh today's topic is the resurrection, and uh it happens to be April 3rd, that's the same Gregorian date that Christ resurrected, which is uh kind of interesting. But um the resurrection is a major topic for God's left in the Bible, because it completes the second part of our salvation, which is the salvation of our bodies. And mankind is both body and soul, unlike other creatures of God, which are spirit beings or animals which have the breath of life. This makes us like God, because God too is said to have a soul. In Isaiah 114 it says, Your new moons and your appointed feast my soul hateth. They are a trouble unto me, I am weary to bear them. In Genesis 2 7, and Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul. So there we can see God has a soul, man has a soul. And and before salvation we have a spiritually dead and sinful soul, and in our sense and our sinful body there dwells no good thing. So both soul and body are wicked, that's how we start out. So, however, as soon as God saved a person, and this would have had a taken before May 20 taken place before May 21, 2011, when God shut the door to heaven, we immediately were given a restored soul, as we learn about in Psalms 23, verses 3. It says, He restoreth my soul, he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. So once we have this new perfect soul, also known as a perfect heart in the Bible, it can no longer sin and it is perfect in the sight of God. It only wants to do God's will, and it cannot sin, as we read about in 1 John. First John 3 9 says, That whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God. And John three, three clarifies what exactly it means to be born of God, and that says, Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. And Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born? And we also read in Romans 7 22, For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. So that's that perfect soul or heart that we have after salvation. So every day we have to learn to keep the body under and bring it into subjection, like we read in Galatians 5 16, it says, This I say then, walk in the spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. And in verse 17, for the lust for the flesh lusteth after the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary one to the other, so that you cannot do the things you would. So every day this is a battle between the spirit and the flesh, the soul, the perfect heart, and the body that the elect go through. So this is why the elect yearn for the salvation of the body, um, because then that warfare that we have will cease. You know, that's one of the reasons that we desire the resurrection of our bodies. And in Matthew uh 22, verses 23 to 32, I won't read that all, but it says um, we learn that the Sadducees, they who didn't believe in the resurrection, they tried to tempt Jesus with their disbelief, trying to use the law against Jesus. So they pose the hypothetical situation when a woman's husband dies and the law teaches she must raise up seed, uh, by marrying the man's brother. There were a total of and there were a total of seven brethren that married her. After everyone died, they pose the question, who's going to be married to her in the resurrection? And Jesus rebuke rebukes them by saying, You don't you err not knowing the scriptures because uh there is no marriage that takes place in the resurrection. You're neither given into marriage, and um, you know, that you're not you don't remain married like you were on this earth. And so um and so he corrects them by saying that I just this is a little bit off topic, but I noticed um just looking at this passage where it says uh that uh in Matthew 22, we're angels, but we're like the angels of God, we we're not given into marriage. Um I was talking to somebody the other day, and he was asking me about why the sons of God in Genesis weren't angels, because some people think that they're angels. And you notice in Genesis 6 it says that the sons of God married wives. And so immediately that throws out that idea because God here is saying that angels don't get married. So you know that the sons of God in Genesis can't be angels. That I just wanted to it's a little bit off topic, but I just want to throw that out there. So Jesus uh Jesus in this passage of Matthew, he's confirming the resurrection of the dead, and uh Matthew 22, 31 says, But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. So Jesus himself is the resurrection, as we read in John 11, 25. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth on me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.

SPEAKER_03

And with that said, I'll pass it on to the next person.

SPEAKER_04

Very nice, uh, Carl. It was uh it was very good. It uh I was gonna say uh almost as good as uh Bob's. But I I really enjoyed the fact that you brought up that verse when Christ says, I am the resurrection. And there's a song that you sent me. I've been singing it for the past couple of days. I am the resurrection.

SPEAKER_02

Was that another one by John Michael?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's a really nice song. And you know, I really thank God that after all these years, you know, it is it is observed by the world. And those Bible verses that you presented, it's really nice, especially when you brought up the point, the point that Christ has a soul. And I remember when Christ was in the garden, he said, uh, my soul is sorrowful, even unto death. And that's it's very interesting that God is he's pointing to his soul that you you mentioned.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Gary, you know, you mentioned you mentioned the world, and I I uh looked up in a in a dictionary online uh the uh Merriam Webster dictionary to see what the world thinks uh the resurrection is. And uh there were three definitions, and the last one uh says resurrection, the state of one risen from the dead. And Carl talked about this. That um, well, there there were there were 10 examples of people, including Jesus, that were resurrected from physical death in the Bible, and three were in the Old Testament and seven in the New Testament. And and this is what Carl was talking about that you know, there's another type of resurrection that people really aren't familiar with, the world's not familiar with, that every one of God's elect received at some point in their life before either dying physically or before May 21, 2011, uh they they received uh the resurrection of their of their soul, which you can't see. And uh Revelation 20, verse 5 calls this the first resurrection. And um the other uh the second definition that Marion Webster gave was uh that resurrection is the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment. Okay, and we've learned uh from the Bible that this definition is not correct because God has revealed that the final judgment has already begun and there's eight billion people still living on the earth physically. And um, you know, we've talked about this before in other programs, but uh if you want to, if anybody out there wants to learn more about this fact, they can go to our website, ebf2033.org. And then the the the first definition that the dictionary gave was resurrection, the rising of Christ from the dead. And I think we have to ask first uh the question from which death did Christ resurrect from? Because we've learned that the Bible teaches that Christ uh died and resurrected twice, not just in 33 AD. The Bible tells us about the first time that Christ died, which was this the first time was to pay for all of the sins of all his elect, which he had already chosen before the foundation of the world. And we read about this in uh how this took place in Revelation 13, verse 8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, referring to Christ, slain from the foundation of the world. So this is telling us that Christ was slain from the foundation of the world, which is referring to a point in eternity past. And next, let's read Romans 1, verse 4. And declare, this is speaking of Jesus, and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead. And the word resurrection, by the way, is is uh G386 in the concordance. It's the it's the Greek word anastasis. And it's interesting, there are people that are named Anastasia, uh, which is kind of a nice name. Um so Romans 1, verse 4 is telling us that Christ became the Son of God by or through his resurrection, which occurred in eternal in eternity past. And the next verse I read explains what took place next. Uh Hebrews 1, verses 1 and 2. God, who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, and this is the important part, by whom also he made the world. So, summing it up, Christ as the Lamb of God sacrificed himself by shedding his blood, which means he gave his life and died to pay for the sins of his elect. And these elect were already chosen before he died, that is, before the foundation of the world, as we read in Ephesians 1, verses 4 and 5. And by the power of God, Christ resurrected, became the Son of God, and created this universe, as we read in Genesis 1 and Colossians 1, verse 16. Okay, so that's the first resurrection of Christ, or the death and resurrection of Christ. A little over 11,000 years later, after creation, Christ was born into this world in 7 BC by the Virgin Mary. And when his earthly ministry began, about 35 years later, in the year 29 A.D., we read about that in John 129. It says, The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. And we now understand that Christ had already paid or taken away the sins of the world, and not the sins of every human being that ever lived in the world, but only the sins of the world of his elect. So therefore, Jesus' main purpose in coming to earth the first time was to demonstrate or show forth or make manifest uh the atoning work that he had already accomplished in eternity past at the foundation of the world. And this was all it was all planned by the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit at the Godhead that in 33 AD, Jesus would be uh, he would, he would demonstrate all this. He would be in agony and sweat, as it were, great drops of blood on Thursday night. He would die the second time by crucifixion on Friday, Passover day, and resurrect or rise from death early on Sunday morning. And this is what we ha has become to be known as Easter Sunday. That is going to be uh in a couple of days in our cal Gregorian calendar.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you again for discussing that word um anastasis for resurrection. And that that word is rising again, uh, right, Chris? To to rise again. And I I was growing up in the church uh most of my life, and I was taught that um there would be a resurrection of the just and the unjust, um, but that all would be resurrected back to life to receive whatever they did in their body, whether it be good or bad. And there was an emphasis on a physical existence, and people would strongly uh quote those verses. So how does one navigate understanding truth when when they see so many verses that seem to appear that there's a physical coming back to life in that term, sir?

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah, there's been a lot of correction from the Bible that God has brought forth at this time of the end. And it does relate to the resurrection. It relates to God's God's judgment program um that that uh well, you know, first of all, when we think of the resurrection, we just automatically take it for granted concerning death. You know, death death is just uh a common thing in the world. It's normal. It's normal. Well, death really isn't normal, and yet we live in a world where everybody dies. Not only people, animals die, plants die, trees die, everything dies, everything that will have life will die in you know a relatively short period of time. And that's not how it was in the beginning. In the beginning, when God created everything good, he created Adam and Eve, and there was no sin, but God set a law uh on the tree of the knowledge in good and evil that if you eat of that tree which he commanded not to eat of, you will surely die. You will die. And Eve, deceived by the serpent, yeah, the serpent. The serpent was a creature, a good creature at the time, uh renowned for wisdom, and Satan, who was a fallen angel, angels are spirit beings. There is a spiritual realm of existence. The Bible presents that spiritual realm to us as fact and uh it is fact. The Bible is the book of facts, the book of truth, and whatever it tells us is true and faithful, unlike the world and everything in the world. Whatever the world tells us is untrue and unfaithful, it's a lie. But the Bible tells us of a spiritual realm, God is a spirit himself, and spiritual things to us who live in a physical realm of this world, of this creation, are invisible. So God's a spirit, he's invisible. Angels, angelic creatures are spirit creatures, they're invisible. Man has a soul, a spirit, and we've never seen it. I've never seen my soul, I can't see your soul. If I look at any person, anyone looking at me can't see my soul, and I can't see it, they see the body. And uh, you know, on it, there's many spiritual things. The Bible's a spiritual book. Of course, it's physical, there's a a bound physical volume that has ink and paper and so forth, but its words come from God who is spirit, and they are spiritual, possessing spiritual life. And that's say, uh, going back to the Garden of Eden, when man disobeyed God, God the creator, man the creature, creature is a little tiny, finite thing. He thinks he's something, uh, especially our guest in the chat. He he thought he was uh above uh the Bible, above the God of the Bible. He he will judge the Bible. Well, no, no. Uh you you and I and all of us are little tiny um infinitesimal little creatures, little creatures, and God is this enormous, infinite, almighty being. And we have to come to know our place. Of course, uh a sinner, one in his sins, doesn't know his proper place, and he tends to think very highly and much of himself, and the truth is that we're nothing. We're nothing. God actually says of the whole world in Isaiah 40 that all the nations are but a drop in the bucket. And if all the nations are but a drop in the bucket, like a single drop of water in a bucket, that is how all nations appear to God, how small they are, then where are we within that drop? We're uh a little tiny particle of whatever, and we don't register on that that scale of power and might. We don't come close. But anyway, back in the garden, a spirit being, a fallen spirit being, it's it was the beginning of Satan's fall, infilled the serpent who spoke to Eve and lied to her about eating of the fruit will make you wise. God does know, and the day you eat thereof, you you will be as God, knowing good and evil. And it deceived her, and she took of the tree and did eat, and gave to Adam. And Adam ate, and he was our representative and all mankind came forth from Adam and Eve. So when they both ate, they both sinned, and that destroyed mankind, as far as our our souls were concerned. God said, In the day you eat, you'll die, but they did not die physically, they did die spiritually. The soul that sinneth, it shall die, Ezekiel 18:4. So they died in their soul, and ever since. Throughout the many thousands of years of Earth's history, throughout the whole generations of the world, generation after generation, are all descendants of Adam, all descendants of Noah after the flood, all contaminated with sin. And the Bible says the wages of sin is death. That's why people die. That's why people die. That's the truth. That's the real reason why people die. It's why, you know, when we grow up and we don't know this when we're little kids, but soon uh we hear someone on the block died. Or or uh all of a sudden someone comes into the house, grandma died. And it's it's just starting, it's just beginning. Death is a big part of our life in this world over time, over time, people are dying tens of thousands a day all across the earth. And you would think, you would think that when there is a book, not you know, not some fly-by-night kind of uh operation, but a holy book that is glorious in its language. Read Isaiah chapter 40. Anybody who thinks you know the Bible's written by ancient um herdmen or whatever, read Isaiah 40 and you won't find any language better than that, any any more that uh that kind of soars to the heights and it's brilliant. And all scripture is written by a brilliant mind, the infinite mind of God. And you would think that this book that has been around for thousands of years and is called the Holy Bible, and presents this God who has provided a solution for our biggest problem. The biggest problem of every human being is not your finances, it is not um, you know, can I find a wife or can I find a husband? It is not your standing in society. The biggest problem is the fact you're going to die. You're going to die. And it's true of everyone. And you don't know maybe how or when, but you're going to die, and people are dying. We we hear it every day by war, by disease, by earthquake, by hurricane, by car accident. People die, die, die all over the earth. And here is the Bible, the Bible who tells us of the Lord Jesus Christ, God Himself, who became flesh, and as Bob was saying, it actually occurred at the foundation of the world, where he took upon himself the sins of his people and was slain for them, died for them, and then demonstrated what he had done in time in history in 33 AD when he went to the cross. And why? Why would Jesus have to die? Why did Jesus die on the cross? You know, this before the resurrection. Why did he have to die? Because he was in the place of his people. Not everyone. God doesn't love every human being in the world. That's not true. Churches lie about that, they're wrong about that. But he died for specific ones, his elect people. He took upon himself their sins, and then what's the wages of sin? The Bible says is death. So, since now he's the sin bearer for his chosen people, perhaps as many as 200 million total. And at the foundation of the world, God smites him, kills him, and he's the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. And in time and history, he goes to the cross and he's killed on the cross to illustrate that truth. And then he's taken down, he's put in a tomb, he stays in the tomb until early Sunday morning when they come to the tomb. And as they arrive there, an angel rolls back the stone and sits upon it. And that also has spiritual meaning. The stone is the door to the grave, the door to hell. And now it's open. It's open. Hell is the grave. The Bible teaches hell is the grave. And to sit in the Bible means to rule. So the angel who sat upon the stone was Christ, showing he is victorious, triumphant over hell, over the grave, because he has conquered death. He has returned to life, and that's what they find in empty tomb. He has risen from the dead. And that is super important because it means he paid the penalty of the sin debt for his people, which was death paid in full, and he conquered death himself rising up. When he rose up, he was without sin. No sin. And that was our sin that he had. So rising from the dead, he is without sin. That is the good news for us, those chosen few that the Lord has saved. It means we're forgiven. All sin is gone. It's cast into the sea, into the depths, and it's as far as the east is from the west. There is no more condemnation of God towards us. In God's sight, when he looks at a child of God, one who Jesus paid for their sins, he sees holiness, purity, righteousness. He sees no sin because the sin debt has been settled and paid for.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And uh you're listening to e Bible Fellowships, the Bible Exalted Program. We've come to our half-hour mark. Uh tonight's discussion is the resurrection, and we're having a very good discussion on that. And you know, uh, Chris, in terms of the resurrection, I was just talking with um my family, and I would say, you know, when someone is going through a hard time or they're in a very, very awful situation, and they'll say something to the effect of, oh, just end it now. Just end it now. And they have this mindset. It seems like deep down inside they know that if they take their life or if they try to cut their life short, there seems to be an understanding that that's it. But yet the churches have taught incorrectly that the resurrection, they'd be coming back only to be tortured forever in a physical place called hell. So, what would be the point of someone wanting to end their life only to be jettisoned into the next incorrect understanding that they would be suffering eternally in a physical entity or place called hell? So at least those people understood that their agony or suffering was so great, they wanted to, you know, have things come to a close. So I don't know if if if uh you all would agree, at least on that level, if somebody wanted to, you know, consummate or or finish their life, why would they want to do that if there was an eternity waiting for them of physical existence?

SPEAKER_01

Well, we we've learned that that's not true. So, you know, we've learned that that God is merciful in that respect, that as Chris said, the uh the grave is is hell, and that there's no physical place that's gonna be around an eternity called hell, uh, with with eternal suffering. And you know, it just shows the mercy of God that you know those that are not saved are just gonna be uh not annihilated. We call it annihilation and total destruction. And um, that's the mercy of God, I believe.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And there was someone uh giving quite a few comments. Um they they felt that uh I guess we couldn't handle the critique, but I I didn't he I didn't see any Bible verses given. But Carl Antique.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, just uh well he first started out by by um uh some of his comments are removed. I'll I'll post the first one. It says Jesus. At first he was under the uh the impression that we're we're one of those evangelicals who claim to uh be able to heal because he was saying heal a child or restore vision or grow a limb. So I don't know if you want to verse address that.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I it looks like they stated a verse here.

SPEAKER_02

Would you like to attempt uh to read that, Carl, and then maybe we can see if Matthew 10 it reads uh of course uh to Matthew 10 1, and when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of and I think he's referring to uh verses uh it's the verse where they wouldn't have gone to all the towns.

SPEAKER_03

But I don't know which verse.

SPEAKER_04

I don't think he gave it to the case. What's that Greek word for yeah, what's that Greek word for towns?

SPEAKER_00

Because this person thinks that towns is is like a literal but again uh he's missing that's a pretty difficult verse to understand. Um Matthew 10 uh uh I tell you, you will not have finished going through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Jesus should have returned by now. And um the you know, it I think it's a little difficult and and off kind of the topic of this, but you know, a focus on the resurrection. But we can comment on Jesus should have returned by now. Actually, he did. He did return. And um one thing this kind of makes you think of that that it wasn't until God gathered all spiritual Israel, so that may be in view, you know, when everyone who he and he predestinated to be saved was saved, then he returned. Um first there was everyone he determined to save in the church, and then he came as judge of the church, and then with the latter reign, everyone he determined to save in the world, and then he came as judge of the world. But right now, that that's another thing that is spiritual, as I was saying. God's a spirit, we have souls that are spirits, Satan's spirit, salvation is spiritual. Salvation if you have a new born-again soul, well, how do you how can you believe that? It's spiritual. Same thing with God's judgment, May 21, 2011, judgment day began for this world spiritually, and some people just dismiss it. Oh, that's nonsense. But they're the same people who believe all these other things. Yeah, Satan, the spirit being, you ever see him? No, I never saw him, but you believe he exists. Um, you you have faith, you believe you're saved, yes, you're born again in soul, yes, you have a new heart, you ever see it? Never saw it. God's a spirit, you ever see God? Never saw God, and so forth. There's really a fairly long list of spiritual things nobody's ever seen, but as soon as they hear spiritual judgment, impossible, impossible. It's really inconsistent. Well, did God bring a spiritual judgment upon Adam and Eve in the garden? Yes, because he he killed their soul. He killed their soul. They didn't die physically when they ate of the forbidden fruit, they died in the soul. So, an outside observer, if we were back there standing in the garden, we we heard God say, You eat of this tree, you will surely die in that day. And then, you know, we're we're watching and we see the meat, and we're waiting, kind of like the uh natives of Acts 28 on Malta after the the beast uh attached to to uh Paul's hand, waiting for him to keel over because it's poisonous. But he didn't, he just shook it off into the fire. So we would be waiting. When are they gonna fall down and die? Because God said in the day they eat they'll die. Well, they did, but you couldn't see it because it was their soul, their soul. And likewise, judgment begins at the house of God, spiritual judgment, spiritual judgment. Is it literally true? Not one stone's left upon another. No, it's a it's a figure of speech. And is it literally true? An abomination of desolation is in the holy place, it's language to represent Satan, who's a spirit, who entered into the churches and congregations. So, yes, judgment day has come. Christ has returned, and the world is presently being punished by the Lord Jesus Christ seated upon the throne.

SPEAKER_04

And incidentally, I I looked at that word city, it's the Greek number 4172, and it's also listed in Hebrews 11, verse 16, where God has prepared for them a city. But in terms of preaching throughout all the city, I I wonder if perhaps that's spiritually is uh a picture of God's elect going throughout the world, where that city is actually the heavenly city, the heavenly Jerusalem that God is is gathering up, his elect for the consummation.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, I I I think that's along the, you know, that that's what it's pointing to. All right. The cities of Israel. Um it's a spiritual spiritual thing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And also cities can identify with kingdoms. Remember, every house or city, it it God likens that to kingdoms in in the Matthew account.

SPEAKER_04

And God's elect or a city on a hill. It cannot be, you know, in New Jerusalem, you know. So as you can see, you know, when folks uh bring these verses, we're not we're not trying to evade, but we just want to have uh we want to make sure that we're doing things in decency and order. And so if you have a question, we would like to get to. We have one right here. Uh Miriam writes, How is Luke 21, 19 related to the resurrection of I believe us all?

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah, probably us all. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm there. In your patience, possess ye your souls. That's curious connection. Uh in your patience, possess ye your souls. Well, um, first of all, it's not our patience, you know, not my patience, I hope. I don't want my soul in the hands of my patience. But the patience that identifies with Christ, that's where I want it. So just like God is love, Jesus is the essence of faith, he is wisdom, he is righteousness, he is patience. So in Christ, in our patience, we have our souls, and that's safety, that's security. And well, in patience, you wait, you wait, you have to wait for things to work out according to God's timetable. And as in the day of salvation, sinners had to wait often before God saved their soul, resurrected their soul, which the Bible refers to as the first resurrection. We had to wait and cry unto God, God have mercy. Some people cried for quite a while, and and it's in God's hands because no man can get himself saved. No man can make a decision, no man can say, Well, you know what? I I finally have decided that I'm going to become saved, finally going to be saved of this day. Well, no, nobody could ever do that. Now they they acted like it were true, and they were told it was true by the pastor, but it was never true. It's always salvation is of the Lord in his hands, and it was necessary to wait for him for that. Well, now we're waiting for the second resurrection, the resurrection of the physical body that takes place on the last day. And we've entered into Judgment Day period that's very close. Actually, the whole period of time, Judgment Day is the last day, but there's a literal last day where Jesus said, I will raise you up at the last day, several times in the Gospel of John. And we're we're uh looking ahead with good expectation to the year 2033, but that still is a way off. And so we wait on the Lord in patience. Uh it's necessary. In your here it says, in your patience possess ye your souls, but in Revelation 14, in the context of judgment day, it says, Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

SPEAKER_01

So another another good verse is uh another good verse, Chris, is uh Revelation 1 9.

SPEAKER_03

Revelation 1-9 let's see.

SPEAKER_00

I, John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos for the Word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah, and and and it even mentioned tribulation. So tribulation and patience go hand in hand. That um tribulation works patience. And uh in in the world you will have tribulation. Therefore, it's always been true to some degree in the Christian's life, a need for patience, but especially at the end. And that's why Luke 21 is the parallel chapter of the Matthew 24 context, what should be the sign of your coming in the end of the world? And uh we we can see why there's a need of patience. If you don't, if you're not patient, that is, if God's not holding you fast steady in Him, and it would be His doing if He's not holding on to you, and and uh You know in your life you might experience impatience, you you might all you know be troubled by things, but it's Christ holding on to you patiently, and it's not time yet, but He's bringing us day by day to the time of the second resurrection.

SPEAKER_02

And maybe we could explain the difference between the the f being patient like on an earthly level with people versus spiritual patience, like um like enduring waiting patiently um for like the you know, we learn new teachings and enduring into the end. Because that's a different type of patience. You could feel impatient on a on an earthly level, right? You know, with somebody, but that's not the traffic. Yeah, like in traffic or even with fellow elect, you know, you can be impatient with one another. And that's still an earthly physical because it seems like the fruits of the spirits do have practical everyday applications, you know, growing in patience with people, but also uh is that is that a fruit of the spirit?

SPEAKER_00

Let's see. Probably is.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, it is. Yeah, it's one of the nine.

SPEAKER_00

Uh Galatians five twenty-two. Through the spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering. Well, long suffering is another way of saying patience. Gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. Against such there is no law.

SPEAKER_02

But I always looked at when I was younger, I'd always read that verse and look at it like um you know, you bear fruit, you know, in that way. Like uh when you become saved, you bear more of those fruits on an earthly level, like showing more love, having more joy in your life. But then you realize. Each one of those actually have a spiritual meaning as well. Like enduring tribulation, being patient, long suffering, not falling away and saying, Hey, I want to go back to church because uh you know, I'm tired of waiting, you know, nothing has happened.

SPEAKER_00

It's interesting how impatience is kind of tied to anger. You know, you ever notice that?

SPEAKER_04

You you get angry because you're waiting. Joab says, I can't stand here any longer. I think he was talking to um the one of the servants. He wanted to know why he didn't kill um Absalom. And he said, You yourself would you yourself would put your hand on me. And he said, I can't I can't stay here any longer. And I'm just paraphrasing.

SPEAKER_00

Well, there's a comment. Uh, rapture soon? Um, well, uh, according to biblical evidence, you know, the first of all, we we need to recognize the Bible uh is um a supernatural book that's given by a God who inhabits eternity and has an eternal perspective. So he he knows the end from the beginning. And in his book, he he actually wrote this book through dictation, moving prophets of old. In this book, he has written to us biblical information pointing to end time indicators, and and also he's revealed a biblical calendar of history in which we do find we have come to the time, the end stage of Earth's history. We're we're there, we're there, and I think most people have a recognition of that, even you know, they they realize something's desperately wrong with this world, even if they can't put their finger on it. But yes, we have come to the time of the end, and at the time of the end, you know, Jesus said John 6, verse 44, I will raise him up at the last day. And we we read that statement a few times in John 6. I will raise him up. And also in John 11, um, concerning the resurrection, uh, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection in the last day. So the last day is the literal last day of Earth's existence, which we are approaching, and biblical evidence is pointing to the year 2033 for that. But it will be not what you've heard from churches. The churches today have no right understanding at all about the true teachings of the Bible. Uh, it will it will not be some kind of rapture where where certain ones are going up and the world continues on for any length of time. No, it's the last day. So that will be the rapture, the resurrection takes place same day. Actually, resurrection first, resurrection first, 1 Thessalonians 4 lays it out, verses 15 through 17. They which are asleep will rise first, then they which are alive and remain will be caught up to be with the Lord. And that's what a rapture is. It's describing those who are still physically alive. It's the same effect uh, you know, for those in the ground, they they come out of the ground and are um transformed on the way into the spiritual realm of of existence, into heaven. Whereas those physically alive who are elect are likewise transformed as they're lifted up, and then world over fini, no more. God burns the earth, he burns the creation, he destroys everything because the whole creation's cursed. Once man fell into sin, God pronounced a curse on the creation and he removes this creation out of existence, and all the sinners, and we're all sinners, but all the sinners that Christ did not die for, they will then pay for their sins. And the wage of sin is death, the payment, the atonement. Christ paid the atonement, he died for certain ones, his elect, who are few out of the whole of mankind. The rest of mankind, billions of people, have to make the payment themselves of death. And the death in view is called the second death. It's an eternal death, whereas you're dead forever. So there's no conscious existence in a place called hell, no being whipped or burned consciously, tormented. That is another falsehood. Uh, it's really a false gospel that the church is um it's out of their mind. It's not not out of God's mind. It's it's unbiblical. It's not true. God will destroy the sinner eternally, that's eternal damnation. Damnation is destruction. You're you're burned up, you're gone. You're gone. You know nothing. You're you're you have no more memory, no more thoughts, no more being. You're totally removed. That is the end of man, the end of this world. And then, here, you know, this is the wonderful news for those that the Lord has saved. For the elect, we turn our attention to a new heaven, a new earth, no more sin, no more death, no more pain, no more misery, no more sorrow, no more, we could say, the normal affairs of this life, because that is the normal affairs of this life. God has remedied the situation for this world when he ends it. It's the only remaining remedy. He has completed his salvation program, he saved everyone he intended to save. Now he's carrying out the judgment, and that will be the final end of sinful mankind. And then there's eternal life. Eternal life for those blessed ones. And again, they don't deserve it. Uh I don't deserve it. Uh I know nobody deserves it. Nobody deserves it. We didn't do anything, we didn't earn it, we didn't do any good works for it. It's by God's grace. He simply said, I'll save this one and I will not save that one. And so, you know, um, for those that have been chosen by God to obtain this salvation, uh, we are blessed beyond imagination. That uh, you know, concerning our future, we have we have a glorious, eternal future awaiting at the end. And that's why we aren't afraid to look at these things. It's all good for the children of God. And of course, someone who's not saved, who Christ did not die for, they don't want to look at these things. They'd rather mock them. They rather um, you know, try and act as though it's a joke. And of course, to the natural-minded individuals of the world, they have a definite problem discerning what's truly mockworthy and what isn't. The world, and look out your look out your window, I don't care where you are, and and you'll see, you'll see what's mockworthy out there in the world. But if you look into the Bible, nothing there is mockworthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you, Chris. Uh, we do have about 30 seconds left. If anybody would like to say anything before we uh close the one-hour portion. Uh yeah, that people can join us, right? Yeah, that's right. You can join us via your stream yard. We are reading your comments. We can post your comments on the screen. But if you'd like to interact with us and ask a question, there will be a link that's in the chat. If you're following us on Twitter, if you're following us on YouTube, if you're following us on Facebook, you can click on the StreamYard link. It'll put you into our queue and we'll be able to bring you on to discuss. But at this point, we're going to say goodbye for today's uh one-hour program for our radio listeners. However, our program will continue on for a bonus half hour on StreamYard and YouTube and Facebook and Twitter. So stay tuned. We'll be right back. Good evening, folks, and welcome back to the Bible Exalted program. Uh, we're blessed that uh you can join us. And tonight's topic is the resurrection. It is uh Good Friday, and we are discussing the resurrection. We have our panel speakers Bob Grandy, Chris McCann, and Carl von Huringa. And we just uh invited folks, if you'd like to bring in a comment or a question, we'd like to hear from you.

SPEAKER_02

Some somebody did have a question from before that we could read. She says, Why does one of the one of the hosts keep mentioning the word consummation? What does that have to do with the resurrection?

SPEAKER_04

I'm guilty of that. I I like saying the consummation a lot. I believe I got that from Daniel 9, 27, and and I I think I use that a lot when I when I referred to like the uh the end, the final end. And I and I looked at that word a little bit and in Ezekiel 11, verse 13. I think uh let me just read that here, go to the King James Version. And you can tell me, Chris and Bob and Carl, it says, And it came to pass when I prophesied that Pelatiah, the son of Benaiah, died, then fell I down upon my face and cried with a loud voice and said, Ah, Lord Jehovah, wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel? So I don't know if that context, this full end is only used in terms of judgment, in terms in terms of Daniel 9.27. But when I think of a full end, uh perhaps uh when I use that terminology, I use it for the complete, complete end.

SPEAKER_01

Is that the same Hebrew word as consummation? Yeah, in Daniel 9, 27. Okay.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, this is speaking about Israel, so it the Israel is a picture of the uh of the corporate church. So I mean, it's probably talking about the uh the uh end of the church age.

SPEAKER_03

I would think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Which which was a full end, right? When when God judged the church's beginning in uh is the official end was in 1994. Right. That was it. There was no more salvation in the churches.

SPEAKER_04

But in terms of context, I should not be using that if I'm referring that to the very, very last day of the hopeful rapture where God, you know, calls his elect from the grave and and gives them a new glorified spiritual body, the resurrection of God's elect.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know if you guys want to take a look at uh 1 Colossians 15 about uh the resurrection. I know this. 1 Corinthians uh 1st is that yeah, maybe it's 1 Corinthians 15. Yeah, did I say Colossians?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was gonna I was just gonna read that actually. Um well I was gonna make if you want to make a comment, guys.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, I was just saying it's always interesting to read this because it's such a long chapter that deals with uh the resurrection. It seems to go into detail about the bodies that each of the elect are gonna receive. Because that's always still been a mystery, like how it's gonna all unfold as far as the resurrection and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, uh, I mean, in the world, probably ninety ninety percent of people in the world uh say, oh, resurrection, that's crazy. Nobody, nobody rises from the dead, and and it's true, nobody has since uh, you know, the Bible was completed, or at least since I think the last one that was mentioned in the Bible was Eutychus uh in Acts. Um uh the boy that fell from the from the window, that that uh Paul was able to through Christ raised from the dead. So I mean, yeah, uh it's it's it seems like a crazy idea, the resurrection, right? And uh, and that's why I was going to go to 1 Corinthians 15, and it says uh in verse 13 first, it says, But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen? And then down to uh verse 20. Now if Christ uh, you know, and this is not the passage you're referring to, Carl. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02

No, it's okay, but it's the same chapter.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's later on, later at the end of the chapter. But uh in verse 20, we read, Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say among you that there is no resurrection? And that's that's uh G8 uh G three eighty six. Yeah, I don't think that was 20. No, it's verse 12. 12. So we verse 12 to verse 20. I'll I'll start again because I messed that up. Now, if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some of you that there is no resurrection? 386 Anastasius. Uh that there is no resurrection of the dead. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching in vain, and your faith is also vain, yea, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ, whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised, and if Christ be not raised, your faith isn't is vain. Ye are yet in your sins, then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But the big but, but now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept. So the idea that that resurrection is a crazy idea, well, the people that uh truly trust in the Bible know that it's true. Christ did rise from the dead, and and we can look forward uh to the day that that we will rise from the dead or or be caught up in the rapture. Man, yeah. Thanks, Bob. That's a good verse. Very quickly.

SPEAKER_04

They mockingly have caricatures of people coming out of the graves, albeit, you know, you know, um, how do I say unprofitable, but they will have caricatures of people coming out of tombs and graves. So deep down inside, they you know, they do put that in their own twisted way.

SPEAKER_01

That there is a Well, you know, there's there's also people that claim that they've they've died and they and they, you know, example on TV and they say they saw this white tunnel or or this this light at the end of the tunnel, and uh, you know, but they didn't die. They they truly they didn't die according to God's definition of what death is, uh physical death, um is somehow you know what gets me um is uh the idea, well, it's impossible to rise from the dead.

SPEAKER_00

And that's like um when you read the whole Bible, there is impossible thing after impossible thing that's recorded and told us, and the explanation is the power of God. It explains everything. The Bible is presenting a powerful God who can do supernatural things because he's a powerful God, he's a creator, he's he's this almighty. So there's full explanation. Um, and and yet you'll get someone, oh, the Bible's a joke because a donkey spoke. Or um, you know, and and and uh uh of course um they will mock that while at the same time with their secular philosophy, their secular uh understanding is that we're all animals and we speak. But but it's nothing for God, it's nothing for God to make a donkey speak, to open up a Red Sea, to walk on water, to turn water to wine, to give sight to the blind, ears to the deaf, legs to the lame, life to the dead. It's all coming, it's all flowing forth from power. Power. He has ability that the creature doesn't, and basically those who who kind of ridicule it, they're looking at it from the creature perspective, the limited, finite creature perspective, uh we who have no ability to do those things. So and that's what the one guy, that first guy, was saying, Oh, yeah, well, why don't you do what Jesus did and do this and do that? So they're they're looking at it with that perspective where the Bible's written from God's perspective, and for a child of God, we read what the Bible tells us about God, that He has unlimited power. He is the one who spoke in the beginning, so he he he's not hiding this from anyone. In the beginning, was uh in the beginning, um he created the heavens and the earth. He he spoke, right? He spoke. The word of God is quick and powerful, Hebrews 4 12. And and with that powerful word, he can do incredible things that us little little creatures, us, us little um fallen creatures, you know, sinful creatures in our flesh, even if we're saved, we can't do. We can't do so. I yeah, I I um when it when I hear people say that, it's like, well, you're missing probably the most obvious thing about the Bible. The most obvious thing is its author, the one performing the miracles, is all powerful, he's omnipotent. And uh and that's how he presents himself, that's how he does everything. And and so to raise the dead is in keeping with that, and he can do that just like he can he can do all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and there's a verse that I don't know exactly where it's at, but it says, Is anything too hard for Jehovah? I think that's actually in Genesis with Abraham and Sarah. He could cause Sarah to bear a child in her old age, you know, he can um the Red Sea can split it. Of course, if he can create the world and the universe, then everything else if he can do that, fe then everything else is just it's you know, follows along. Um I just wanted to mention just um one thing. And that is that uh uh Bob had read First Corinthians fifteen twenty, but now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept. And of course Christ is the first to rise from the dead. And the only way that that's possible is he resurrected at the foundation of the world. And in in the very first uh verse of the Bible it says in the beginning, that word is resheath and resheath, I think is how you pronounce it. And it's it's also the word for first fruits. So it's the very first word in the Bible.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, it's also in Jeremiah, I believe, as well. God says, Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for me? That's Jeremiah uh thirty two, verse twenty seven.

SPEAKER_00

And we should not limit the Holy One of Israel. Oh yeah. He he's unlimited. Except he limits himself to his law. He won't break his law. He won't sin. It's impossible for God to sin. But if something's, you know, anything outside that he could do.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and of course the Israelites, they saw the miracles, and uh, I think they it said uh you know, they were tempting God, you know, is God among us or not, or or tempting him, but can you do this? And uh I I forgot exactly which passage that was. But they think they were they was talked about there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um or or if you're the Christ, come down from the cross.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

You know, show us, show us, but but God won't give signs a wicked and adulterous generation seeking after a sign. He he performs mighty acts according to his will.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and sometimes he wouldn't, right? Sometimes he wouldn't perform the act due to their unbelief. So yeah, I I was wondering too, because Christ had made payment at the foundation, he technically didn't have to be on the cross to make because he wasn't making payment, but nonetheless it was according to God's will. And of course, it would still show if he came down that he was hearkening to uh to Satan, right? Or to man. So he had to he had to remain on the cross. Well, he wouldn't have finished it. Yeah, he had to finish it.

SPEAKER_01

There's another another interesting verse in uh 1 Peter 1, verse 3 that we're where uh uh God ties our salvation to the resurrection of Christ. And it says, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again, that's being born again, unto a lively hope by the resurrection, and that's 386 Anastasis, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. So our salvation is is you know is tied into uh Christ rising from the dead, which means he was successful in paying for our sins, not at the cross, but at the foundation of the world. We have to keep emphasizing that because it's such a um, you know, uh there's so much inertia behind uh the idea that Christ paid for sins on the cross. Uh and and it's it that's that's been held for centuries, that idea. But uh we've we've by God's mercy, we've learned that he was the lamb slain at the foundation of the world, which means that's that's what he paid for our sins.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, excellent. Um, I see someone with a question. Have any panelists or folks listening come across any organizations, groups, or individuals who are feeding sheep similar to EVF? Uh I can quickly say uh I haven't seen I haven't seen one. And if you just do a cursory search, um end of the church age or stop going to church, you're not really going to see a ministry that's really putting itself out there stating, you know, the church age has ended. And they may not use that particular language.

SPEAKER_02

Now there may be small groups, uh, like I know there's listeners in China, but they're they're still listening to your Bible. But maybe you have small groups out there, a few individuals, maybe they discuss among themselves, but yeah, as far as any group or ministry know.

SPEAKER_00

Right. We we've come across or they've come to us, you know, individuals. Uh there was one recently, a man uh from Puerto Rico, and he wrote us uh requesting tracks um and saying he listens to eBibles programming. And I actually uh know him from before May 21, 2011. And and um so there's normally that kind of um encounter where people are coming who who heard these things in the past and they're kind of returning, they're coming back. Um we we get if you know there's several people like that.

SPEAKER_04

I'm I'm really thankful that um, you know, at least society in whole, you know, on on the most part, they're celebrating, you know, Easter. I know that unfortunately they're going to uh um not look at things in in the correct way. I I was driving to work and I saw um churches lit up and and the the parking lots filled. But I thank God that there is a faithful ministry that's teaching from the Bible. And I I take it for granted. I really do. I really do take it for granted. And the things that we're discussing here are are really precious things.

SPEAKER_01

Gary, you know, you mentioned Easter, and uh I was gonna uh mention the the fact that um there's the word Easter is mentioned once in the Bible. In um Acts 12, verse 4. It's in the King James Bible, anyhow. I'm not sure about other translations. It says, and when he, this is talking about Herod, when he had apprehended him, talking about Peter, he put him in prison and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. And that were the word Easter is is 3957 uh Pasca P-A-S-T-H-A. And that's always it's translated 28 times as Passover, and and uh this this is the only time it's translated as Easter. And um I I know we talked about this, or you did you brought somebody either I or somebody brought this up maybe years ago, Chris. Um this this uh verse, and uh the only time that this is uh mentioned, Easter is mentioned in the in the King James. Um I I think you had a good explanation. Do you remember your explanation about that?

SPEAKER_00

Well, well, yeah, I I think that God allowed it. You know how the Lord, the Lord, uh we we know the translators aren't inspired. The King James Version is not an inspired version, it has errors, but I think God allowed them to translate it is Easter this one time, uh, to kind of distinguish or or or to make a distinction between the Old Testament Passover observance and the New Testament Easter Sunday, you know, that that um if it if it read Passover, then um uh you know, especially back in the first century, there was Judaizers trying to carry over the law of Moses, and and we know that the sacrifices came to a close. Um, sacrifices ceased when Christ was on the cross. So um, and and this is in Acts, it's after the cross, after the resurrection. Um, so uh just permitting the translators to translate the word that should have been translated Passover as Easter kind of set the tone for the New Testament era and and the observance of Resurrection Sunday.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I looked up, I looked up Easter, and it sort of comes from uh I think a Babylonian custom. And um uh, you know, look look how look how Easter during our day, and I don't know how long it's been going on this way, but how long how it's been degenerated to, you know, Easter bunnies and uh candy and and all that stuff. It's another way of avoiding having to talk about Christ, just like Santa Claus is a way for the world to avoid talking about the birth of Christ.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um there's a comment. Easter is translated Pasca in most languages. Well, um, yeah, we're uh looking at the Greek as far as the word Passover is concerned, and um it's um you know, we we we understand that Easter is the Sunday the Lord rose from the dead. And as far as uh we're concerned, you know, every Sunday is like a resurrection Sunday. Every Sunday we're we're uh meeting together, gathering together. The Sunday Sabbath for the New Testament era, uh, or the day for Sabbath for a New Testament era is Sunday, and it's a of a different character than the Old Testament Seventh-day Saturday Sabbath where no work. Um the New Testament Sunday Sabbath is one of activity, intense activity, spiritual activity, concerning the resurrection, and and it had to do with bring the gospel so others can be saved and experience a like resurrection. And uh, yeah, I wanted to read a verse two in Philippians, Philippians chapter three, that uh makes reference to the resurrection, Philippians three, starting in verse nine, it says, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ. There's another verse telling us that faith is not our faith, it's the faith of Christ, and that's where we get our righteousness, the righteousness which is of God by faith. Again, that would be the faith of Christ, that I may know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death, if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead, not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect, but I follow after if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. It's interesting that it's pointed out not as though I had already attained, either we're already perfect, so the resurrection of the dead perfects us, it will finally remove all sin from us. Right now we have a perfect soul, sinful, corrupt body, but once we experience the resurrection of the body, we'll be perfect, and that uh helps us with Hebrews 11, at the end of Hebrews 11, where uh it says, Oh, and it's the faith chapter, it's kind of summing it up in verse 39. And these all having obtained a good report through faith receive not the promise. God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. They without us should not be made perfect. We're all going to be perfected on the last day, all on the ground, rise up, all alive will be raptured, physically alive. That's the difference between a rapture and resurrection, whether you're alive or dead, and you're an elect. And transformed and perfected, we will be perfect, because Christ is perfect, and we will be as he is, as it says in first John three. Hell how's that go? First John three uh verse two. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. We'll we'll be like Christ in his new resurrected body. Now that's something I don't know if we mentioned we we uh talked about Jesus being the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Did did we Baba, did you mention that he also rose at the foundation of the world? He resurrected at the foundation of the world. Yeah, Romans 1 4. Yeah. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, we mentioned it pretty quick.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah, so he received a new resurrected body at the foundation of the world, and then when he was born into the world of the Virgin Mary, um, that was a body made for um demonstration purposes. And then we we know it's a body of demonstration, especially after he dies and he resurrects and he shows himself to the disciples, and he says, Here, look, look at my hands, look at my side, the hole of my side, and he eats. It was a body of flesh and blood, and he says, Spirit does not have flesh and blood as you see me have. Why did he have a flesh and blood body? If our body is going to be like his body, and God tells us our body is going to be spiritual in 1 Corinthians 15, where it says in verse 40 44, um it is sown a natural body, it is raised the spiritual body. There is a natural body, there is a spiritual body. We have natural bodies right now. It's sown, the gospel seed sown, the earnest of the spirit is sown in our body, but it will be raised a spiritual body, and and that's why in that chapter it speaks of the seed, you know, you throw in the ground, it's not what it will be. It looks like a dead thing, it is a dead thing, and then life comes from it. So God has sown life through his spirit, through his word into our body that is a corruptible thing, a dead thing, and will come forth life, and it'll be a spiritual body that that we receive, because Christ has a spiritual body, but when he showed himself alive, when he proved the resurrection, he was in a physical body. And um why? Well, because he was manifesting the resurrection, he was illustrating the resurrection. He could not go into heaven with a physical body, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It had to be transformed.

SPEAKER_02

I was thinking about um, I guess I used to think at the last day all the Old Testament saints, you know, would all be there at the resurrection. But I then I remembered at the cross it says many bodies of the saints which slept arose. So God doesn't tell us who, but there could have been, right, like Abraham or Job, some of those Old Testament prophets that we don't know about. But I I do find it interesting, you know, God lets us know David wouldn't be among that, because it in Acts it says his sepulchre is still with us. He's both dead and buried. And so I just at the so David perhaps God used someone like him to demonstrate or to show at the very last day he's gonna be one of the saints that does resurrect at the last day, even though you did have saints at the cross.

SPEAKER_03

Carl, I thought you were gonna read um take it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'll read let's see, um, I'll start with verse thirty-nine or thirty-eight. Uh maybe I should start with uh thirty-five. So first Corinthians fifteen, thirty-five, but some men man will say, How are the dead raised, and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die. And that which thou sowest thou sowest not the body that shall be, but bare grain, if made chance of wheat or of some other grain. But God gaveth it a body, it as it hath pleased him, and so to every seed his own body. I thought that was interesting because the elect wasn't during the day of salvation we were sowing the seed, and then in the the day of judgment, uh there's the reaping process. Uh all flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial, but the glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead, it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory, it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body, and so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit, albeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy, the second man is of the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy, and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly, and as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

SPEAKER_00

Their heavenly is uh interchangeable with spiritual. I think uh I came up uh in Eddie's study today in the word that um you know, the the heavenlies. And spiritual, spiritual, spiritual, and then it transition, as is the heavenly, such are they also their heavenly, and it's synonymous with spiritual.

SPEAKER_02

It's the same word for celestial that same word as well, two two times transit. I wonder if it's that same passage actually.

SPEAKER_04

This is the righteous revelation of God. What a what a beautiful time we're living in. We're the revealing of truth.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's a it's the same word for celestial. Sorry, I didn't mean to erupt Gary. Verse 4. These are the celestial bodies, that's that same word also. That's I mean, it's also translated celestial and heavenly.

SPEAKER_01

And that same way. Why why why stop there? Let's go 51.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I was gonna let you take over and read the last.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Behold, I'll show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, for the trump shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the thing that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

SPEAKER_02

I think this would be a good passage to do about to do a study on.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that word immortality is a beautiful word.

SPEAKER_00

Um much better than mortal.

SPEAKER_02

And in put on incorruption.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and that and that that immortality is is pointing directly to Christ. And for Christ to cover that with his elect, it's it's truly a magnificent adorning.

SPEAKER_02

So it does the Bible does say death is the last enemy to be destroyed, and it does say here death is swallowed up in victory. So I suppose that last enemy isn't destroyed until the resurrection occurs.

SPEAKER_04

And yeah, and and if I I mean first Timothy six fifteen and sixteen it says, Which in his times he shall show who is the blessed and only potentate, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see, to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen. So for folks who think that the resurrection uh all will receive immortality, now God is highlighting that, who only hath immortality, and he adorns that to his elect, not just to uh all mankind. That's that's not biblical. That's that's not biblical for the unsaved to receive immortality.

SPEAKER_00

Well, uh, I know we must be getting near the end, but I'd like to address the comment that says, so you use fiction as fact. And uh no, we're using the Bible. We're using the Bible. The Bible is the truth, it is the one thing in all existence in this world that is absolute truth and can be trusted wholeheartedly. See, the problem is, and why people think that the Bible is not true, well, there's various reasons, but one of the one of the reasons why they think it's not true is because it is true. What I mean is that this world is a sea of lies. You and I, since conception, since birth, have been immersed in deceitfulness, lies, falsehoods, and uh I mean, look at yourself, you're dressed like an Easter bunny. And why? Because the people of the world speak of Easter bunnies. Easter bunny, it's uh it's not true. It's not true. The Bible speaks of true things. And Jesus was speaking to Jews of his day, and he he said to them in John 8 43, Why do you not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because now this is Christ, this is the word of Jesus, and because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. You see, if we were talking about falsehood on this program, like um big bangs, um, evolution, if we were saying things, you know, that nobody has any idea about in truth, in fact, it's absurd, ridiculous theories like that, yet spoken of with full assurance, oh, billions of years ago this and billions of years ago that, then you might think it was a good conversation, sound conversation, you know, covering really truthful things, because you've been raised in the environment of this world that is corrupt and deceitful. The heart of man, and this would be all people, uh God's elect have had a changed heart by God, but the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked. Jeremiah 17, verse 9. That is our natural condition, and it's why we have preference, we opt for, we we want over the truth, we want the lie. It's one reason when why are so many politicians liars? We're talking a very high percentage, because they do, in fact, represent their constituents. The constituents, the people of the world, are natural-born liars and possessing deceitful hearts. There's lies everywhere in the world, everywhere. And that's why when you hear the truth, it sounds strange. It sounds like an odd thing, you know, an unusual thing. Uh, immediately you think, immediately you think that's the lie, and that's what Jesus is saying. Because I tell you the truth, he believed me not. If he would oblige to them, they would have believed him. But the truth, no, no, not the truth. Like Pilate, uh, when Christ was before him, Pilate said to Jesus, What is truth? Truth is an unknown quality in this world, except the Bible. The Bible. Anyone wants truth, read the holy book, come down from God Himself, He's the author, the Bible, and we'll for the first time maybe be reading truth. We'll we'll find out um who we are, we'll find out our real purpose for life and actual meaning for life, and a lot of other things.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, well said. And uh thank you for that comment as well. You you know, you you were able to express that, and I'm sure there are many who feel the same way you do. Uh, could it be that uh God has selected um his people uh before May 21, 2011? And perhaps, you know, someone with a comment like that, God could be uh, you know, drawing and feeding uh someone like that could be a sheep. So we've come to the end of the program. I really enjoyed today's discussion. Uh tonight's topic was the resurrection, and I was blessed and edified by the speakers, and we hope you were too. Please join us again. Uh and Lord willing, we hope that uh you can join us again, and may the Lord richly bless you during this time of judgment. Good night. Good night. You've just heard a pre recording of an e Bible Fellowship panel discussion.