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The Bible Exalted! is a podcast program that seeks to uplift the word of God which is being highly exalted at this time. Each episode explores both sides of a doctrine, examining how one passage of Scripture may seem to teach one truth while another points in a different direction. Through careful study, the program seeks to uncover the harmony of the Bible as a whole, showing which understanding aligns with the full testimony of Scripture.


"...rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

About Panel Speakers:

Chris McCann:
Chris grew up in Philadelphia. Like many of God’s elect, he was first raised in the ways of the world until God drew him to His Word, the Bible. With an earnest desire to study the Scriptures and uncover the mysteries hidden within them, Chris—together with others—founded the ministry of eBibleFellowship. The ministry is dedicated to faithfully proclaiming all that is written in the Word of God and striving to remain true to its teachings.

Bob Grande:
Bob was also raised in the Philadelphia area.  God drew him to be interested in studying the Bible in the early 1990's.  He attended church until 2001 and departed out after learning about the end of the church age. He is currently seeking to grow in the grace of God.


Gary Daniels:
Gary from Philadelphia: Gary grew up listening to both a faithful ministry that at the time declared the truth from the Bible for many years, but also was under the pentecostal church. God led him toward the truth and is thankful for God's mercy showing many truth's from the Bible


Karl von Harringa:
Karl was born and raised in Ohio, just outside of Columbus. From an early age, he was brought up under the hearing of the truth and developed an interest in the Bible. He grew up in a household where the Word of God was central.

SPEAKER_04

And now here's a pre-recording of an e-Bible Fellowship panel discussion. Good evening and welcome again, listeners, to e-Bible Fellowships, the Bible Exalted Program. I'm your host, Gary Daniels, and tonight we're seeking the Bible's answers to various topics in which the Bible has the final say in the matter. Joining us tonight are our beloved three panel speakers, Bob Grandy, Chris McCann, and Carl von Herenga. Tonight's discussion is abide. That is abide. So welcome folks. You can join us live on www.ebiblefellowship.org. You might be watching us online via YouTube or other streaming platforms. This is a one and a half hour program where the first hour we will pause and that will be later broadcast at a later date. We'd like to hear from you with your on topic questions, typically after the half-hour mark, where we will open up the lines to hear from you all. All right, so let's go to our panel. And again, tonight's topic is abide. And we'll start with you, Bob.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, thanks, Darry. Yeah, I'd like to start by reading a few verses that use the Greek word meno or meno, M-E-N-O, and that is um uh G3306 in the in the strongest concordance. It's this word is translated 61 times as abide, so I I figured that was a good place to start. It's also translated uh 16 times as remain, 15 times as dwell, 11 times as continue, and there's other words too. And in total, God used this word meno uh 120 times in the New Testament. 34 times it's found in the book of John, so over 25% of the time. And seven of the 34 times in John, it's found in John 15, verses 3 to 7. And uh I'll read these verses, they give us a good idea of what it means to abide in Christ. And in uh John 15 through starting in verse 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you, abide in me, and I in you, as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself except it abide in the vine. No more can ye accept ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit. For without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered, and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. So it's very clear that the command to abide in Christ only applies to God's elect. Whereas on the other hand, those that abide not in Christ, these are the unsaved of the world who will eventually be annihilated on the very last day.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, the commands to everyone, right, to abide in Christ. It's not just a command to the elect. Wouldn't that be correct? That that everyone, it like all the law, you know, it's commanded to everyone to obey, but their problem is the failure to obey.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. And also Christians that that once uh maybe followed the truth too. They didn't continue with the truth, you know, walking in the truth. But I guess at one point they were, right? Abiding.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we we can say only elect will abide finally.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I guess that's probably better a better way to put it. Yeah, so dropping down uh a couple more verses to verses nine and ten. Uh as the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you. Continue ye in my love. And that word continue is is also 3306, uh, we're also translated as abide. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my father's commandments and abide in his love. So not only should God's elect abide in Christ, but the joy of Christ will also abide or remain in us. And this is shown in John 15 and 11. Uh, these things have I spoken unto you that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. And here the word remain is also 3306. Um, and uh here's another verse where 3306 is translated as remain, but it's in the context of God's election program. In John, it's the same chapter, John 15, 16. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain. 3306, that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you. Um also in John uh six, verse 56, this word meno, 3306, is translated as dwell, and it shows that Christ also dwells in his elect. It says, There, he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood dwelleth in me, and I in him. And uh, this is the last verse before I go out to Mike. In John 8:31, uh Menno is translated as continue. Then said this is the verse, John 8.31, then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, if ye continue, 3306, in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that that's uh that verse, John 8 31, is the one I was looking at. Uh because it says in verse 30, as he spake these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, if ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed. And he keeps talking to them. And uh these are the ones very shortly, they're calling him a devil. Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan and has a devil. And they're the ones that pick up stones to stone him by the time you get to the end of the chapter, and and so it was a matter of minutes or you know, half hour or so, as as as he's continuing to teach or to reveal truth to them. Um, I thought it was interesting because many believed on him, and Jesus then said to those Jews which believed, he's not talking to the Pharisees, the scribes, to those that didn't believe, but to those that believed. And it reminds us of Acts, Acts 8 uh with uh Simon the sorcerer. It says in Acts 8 13, then Simon himself believed also, and when he was baptized, so Simon took it a step further. He not only believed, but he was baptized. And after we read that he believed and was baptized, then uh I think it's Peter says, Repent therefore, verse 22, of this thy wickedness, because he wanted to uh buy the ability to give the Holy Spirit. Uh and so Peter says, Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray, God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee, for I perceive that thou art in the gall bitterness and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me that none of these things which he has spoken come upon me. Well, how could he be in the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity if he believed? He he he believed, but we see in John 8 they believed, and it's a short distance from people who profess to believe, profess Christians, to picking up stones to stone Christ. And and we know in James too that the devils also believe and tremble. So I think that helps to highlight the need to continue. He spake these words, many believed on him, then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, if ye continue in my word, if ye abide in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed. Now your disciples by profession. But if you continue um, you know, all the way through, if uh and we might say, well, yes, but Jesus was saying hard things to them. He was saying that uh uh that they would be free, and then they said, We be Abraham's seed, we've never been in bondage to any man. And then Christ told them that um basically they were in bondage to sin and the devil, and and um they uh then they said um in verse 41, we have one father, even God. Jesus said unto them, if God were your father, ye would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God. Then why do you not understand my speech? Ye are of your father, the devil. And and after that, then verse 48. Then answer the Jews said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan and has a devil? You called us a devil, or you said, We're of our father, so we'll call you a devil. And is that the right response? Is it is it Christ's fault for telling the truth? Because I tell you the truth, you do not believe. No. What should have been the response like that Syrophoenician woman? It is not meat to take the children's bread and cast it to dogs. And he called her a dog, and she she humbly acknowledged, true Lord, yet the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall under the table. You know, any true man, an Israelite indeed, which is probably what that statement, then are you my disciples indeed, is referring to. Someone truly saved, a true man among them, would have acknowledged and said, true, Lord, I'm child of wrath, even as others, and and uh these I I can, you know, I totally acknowledge this is the case, um, but instead they fought back. And it it reveals that uh Christ is the word, Christ the Bible. People initially hear the word, they hear the Bible, they believe, and then God keeps talking. He keeps talking, he keeps speaking from the Bible, and the things he said are an offense to them, and uh and eventually it provokes anger, it provokes um a response against Christ, Christ, you know, uh uh being the word. So against the word of God, as we have seen, when people hear certain doctrines, it's the truth of the Bible, and they're very angry at these doctrines. They they hate these doctrines, they don't want anything to do with these doctrines. The doctrine, the word that brings forth the doctrine, is an offense to them. And they they'll even say of the one bringing that doctrine, you uh, you know, that this is not of God. This must be of Satan. So you're you're of the devil. And it's a failure to continue, it's a failure to abide from the initial point of hearing the true gospel. Um many, many fail to, you know, various um distances people go, but but it's uh someone not truly saved will not be able to continue. And that's why God says, he that endureth to the end will be saved. And I was just looking at this before we started. The Greek um word uh abide is meno, and the word endureth, uh, you know, he that endureth to the end in Matthew 24, 13, the same will be saved, is um meno's 3306. Endoreth is 5278, and it's a compound word in in the Greek. It's hupo meno. Hupo meno is endure. Uh hupo is the Greek word for, it's a preposition for under, and and meno would be abide, continuing, remaining. So for one who continues under, in submission, but also it could be under affliction, under suffering, under various things, but you continue under, and that's endurance. That's endurance. So so enduring to the end is definitely related to abiding uh meno in Christ. You must abide in Christ, or you you might call yourself a Christian, you might have a certain set of doctrines you think are faithful, a whole bunch of things, but according to the Bible, you would not have endured that that passage.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh what you were saying, Chris, about you know, the Simon the sorcerer, he he believed, but he didn't it wasn't a true belief, right? And uh you know, in in there's a verse that also has the word abide or 3306 in John 3 36. Um, and this is uh this belief um is the true belief. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, right? And that can't be taken away. And he that believeth not the son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. So what do you think about that? The fact that there's you know, there's there's really two different kinds of belief. I don't I think they're the same Greek word, right? But it's just it depends on the context.

SPEAKER_02

But I think so. And uh yeah, there's the the true belief of an individual doesn't save the uh one who truly believes, it's not their belief that saved them. It's the faith of Christ they're saved by. But after the faith of Christ, after God has saved them, you know, through his word, completely the action of God, the work of God. It's the work of God that ye believe, like John 6, 20, 29. God does that work, and I must work, Jesus said, the works of him that sent me. What is the work that ye believe? I must work the works of him that sent me while it's day, during the day of salvation. It's Christ's work, God's work. Perform on those chosen ones. You've not chosen me, but I've chosen you. And and he carries it out to the point of salvation, the application of the blood through the hearing of the word. And then we receive a new heart, and afterward we believe. Or maybe we had intellectual belief prior to that, but that had nothing to do with our salvation. And we might not even notice there's a continuation of belief, because the intellectual belief prior to salvation now becomes belief acceptable to God after we received a new heart and new spirit.

SPEAKER_03

And belief is belief is a fruit of our faith is a fruit of the spirit, and faith is related to belief. So it's only only after becoming saved, that true belief.

SPEAKER_02

Well, well, again, it might be kind of hard for some of us to pinpoint when we became saved. We could have we could have had profession of faith, intellectual, even or intellectual belief. We believed these things and yet we weren't sure we were saved, so we didn't really make a profession of faith, maybe. But then God saved us at some point and it carries on and we believe these things and and um it but our belief never had anything, that's the big point. Never had anything to do with our salvation.

SPEAKER_01

Isn't Cornelius a good example? Because he was at least he was believed with all his house, yeah. That that is a good example. But he wasn't saved until you know the Holy Spirit came. But I was thinking um regarding isn't it more accurate to say belief from the heart, like the the soul or the perfect heart? Because you know, when we say true belief, somebody might not really know what that is. Yeah. Oh, because you could like you say, they can believe intellectually. So I think maybe sometimes people might have a hard time separating what's the difference between the two. Somebody says, I believe in God.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's a good point. It says in Romans 10, you know, what you're talking about, it says Romans 10 9, uh, that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. There's two things. Two things. Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart. First one, practically anybody can do, um, to say, I believe that doesn't save you. It's alone. Like it says in James, faith without works is dead. It's alone. And it needs the work of Christ in uh re well, first paying for our sins and then sending the gospel to uh regenerate us and give us new hearts and new spirits. And once that happens, then we we have agreement. We have agreement. Now I say I'm a Christian and my heart matches. So I'm a Christian indeed, to use like Nathaniel. He was an Israelite, well, there were a lot of Israelites. Yes, but Nathaniel was an Israelite indeed because he was a true Jew, circumcised in heart, spiritual circumcision, born again, and other Jews were Jews, not circumcised in heart, only having physical circumcision. And uh and so that's why God emphasizes he's a Jew indeed, to indicate he's uh of spiritual Israel.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and also the next verse says, for at the heart man believeth unto righteousness. And then and then what you read with uh Simon Peter, it says that he he was his heart was not perfect in so many words. Well, with Simon, I don't know if his name is Simon Peter, uh Simon the sorcerer.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. We don't want to have people thinking about Peter.

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_04

It's interesting, uh Jesus said, get thee behind me, Satan, when he when he looked at Peter, which is uh which is not very um flattering. Yeah, Peter has enough trouble with that. We don't want to add I mean that when I was a child, you know, when he looked, he turned back and he looked at Peter, you know, it just kind of makes you um melt when you think about that.

SPEAKER_01

You know, you just melting he was thinking or weeping, he was thinking about that account.

SPEAKER_04

I I tell you, being a disciple with Jesus, I don't I could I probably couldn't even look at him, you know. You know, just because he can, you know, he can see right at the heart. He gets right to the matter. You know, one thing I do admire about Chris, you know, he's he's very straightforward and I like that demeanor. And I say, these are blessings from God. You know, these are these are characters and demeanors that I I hope to attain because I'm always joking, I'm always laughing. Well, you get that serious look and it just this makes you sit up a little bit. Um, I I I wanted to say something about this topic. You know, for the Bible student who is looking at the word abide, I went straight to the Old Testament and I noticed there were different words for abide. And I sometimes saw God himself talking about abiding, and there was a different Hebrew word. And one of the words that really got my attention was uh the one in Genesis chapter 19, verse 2. And basically Lot is sitting at the gate at Sodom, and Lot saw you know the the two men of God up to meet them. So I'm gonna read uh verse two. And he said, That's Lot, Behold now my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early and go on your ways. And they said, Nay, but we will abide in the street all night. And that was interesting that they would abide in the street all night. I looked at that word, and if you follow that same Hebrew word abide, that same Hebrew word was used when the children of Israel murmured against Moses. So if you substitute the word abide instead of murmur, the children of Israel abide against Moses. And so when we see that word abide, it can be a form of judgment as we all talked about. There can be abiding in terms of salvation, but there can also be an abiding in terms of judgment. And you can see that in the old testament as well.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, in in rebellion.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, in rebellion.

SPEAKER_02

You know, we we see it breaking out, but it was continuous, it was constant. And that that's something else uh in Deuteronomy 8. Um, you know, God God tells us now when uh when we look at that word uh endureth, you know, under, under, um, abiding, or abiding under, continuing under, and and enduring affliction, enduring suffering, uh, it can it can be summed up as testing, enduring God's testing, and he tests especially related to his word, like it says in Deuteronomy eight, in verse two, and thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness to humble thee and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments or no, and he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know, that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live, and then in verse sixteen it says, Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee to do thee good at thy latter end. So the manna especially he fed thee in the wilderness with manna, that he might humble thee, that he might prove thee. The manna was a test, and the manna was very constant. Every day, same thing, same thing. They had to eat the same thing, and and basically they had to abide, they had to continue in the manna for 40 years, and they started to hate it and loathe it, and and that uh you know, we know like in Numbers a couple of times that uh it leads to rebellion or they're murmuring constantly. They they didn't like the manna, and Christ likens himself to the manna, that that he is the bread from heaven, and he is the truth, he's the word, he's the truth, and we have to abide in Christ. You have to abide in the truth of the word, the Bible, and and uh God's word doesn't change, it it is constant. The word of the Lord endureth forever, so it continues forevermore. And um people, they're you know, uh unsafe people are worldly people, and the world is movable. You can you can change things in the world. You don't like something, you you start pushing, shoving, trying to get around it, you know. Um you you want marriage a certain way. Well, keep at it, keep at it. In our day, yeah, you can have that kind of marriage. You you can have men marrying men, women marrying women, not not with God, not with God. With God, you can't you can't divorce. And if you divorce, you can't remarry. Uh and uh many, many things, the the law of God, the doctrines that the Lord has opened up at the time of the end, especially this last 40-year period from 94 to 2033, they're they're very much related to the manna coming down from above. And these doctrines are very hard. Um, I guess every one of them in some way, like time to for the break, yeah. Okay, we we can talk maybe about some of the doctrines after the break. That's right.

SPEAKER_04

That's right. Thanks, Chris. You're listening to the Bible Exalted program. We've come to the halfway point of our one-hour segment. We're gonna open up the chat. So, folks, after uh Chris and and a few others, you can raise your hand to post a question or a comment. And once again, this is the Bible Exalted Program. Tonight's topic is abide. That's abide. Please, Chris, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, yeah, thanks, Gary. Um so so I, you know, doctrine uh kind of has a reputation. When people hear the word doctrine, kind of, you know, stuffiness. It it reminds people of school or something, I guess. But but basically doctrine is teaching, and doctrine comes from the Bible. When we compare scripture with scripture, it produces doctrine, the teaching of the Bible. And we we read um in 1 Timothy 4. I have a few verses on doctrine.

SPEAKER_03

1 Timothy 4, it says before you go there, I just wanted to uh uh in John 6 27, this is this uh ties everything in you were talking about with the manna. Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for the meat, and meat is doctrine, right? We've we read that uh that that relationship uh somewhere else. But for that meat which endureth, and that's 3306 meno unto each unto everlasting life, which the Son of Man shall give unto you, for him hath God the Father sealed. So it tie it, you know, that that ties it all together. Because this is the chapter where Jesus says, I am the bread of life, you know, and and uh you know he talks about the manna that came down from heaven, and he says, I am the bread of life.

SPEAKER_02

Uh he he fed them with uh loaves earlier in the chapter, and and they followed him, and then and he's pointing out historically, you know, give us another meal. So, but but yeah, um that all fits in. Now, as far as doctrine, 1 Timothy 4, 15, 16 uh says, neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy. That would be the gift of salvation we receive by prophecy, by the hearing of the Bible, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery, meditate upon these things, give thyself wholly to them, that thy propheting may appear to all, take heed unto thyself and unto the doctrine, continue in them, for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee. Continue in the doctrine, and in second Timothy three it says in verse ten and also fourteen, Second Timothy three ten, but thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering charity, uh, patience. And fourteen, but continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and has been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. And who do we learn doctrine from? Who taught us doctrine? We could say, well, Mr. Camping, we we could say that, but who did Mr. Camping learn doctrine from? The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit. And even when we learn from Mr. Camping, it was the Spirit, uh, basically the same process when Christ fed the 5,000. Christ had the loaves, he broke, gave to the disciples, they gave to the multitude. That's the process, and God opens up the eyes and mouths of his people to truth, who then share it with others, because he's no longer physically on the earth, and he will not vi he will not speak directly from heaven to us. You know, he he and therefore how's he going to do it? He'll use men, feeble men with feet of clay.

SPEAKER_04

But that's the doctrine. Here's a verse, Chris, Isaiah 28, 9. Whom shall he teach knowledge? Yeah. Whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast. Would we would we care to say that someone who abides would be God who draws them from the breast and he weans them from the milk. And those who remain in the milk, unfortunately, they cannot grow, and so therefore they don't endure.

SPEAKER_02

Would that be oh uh yeah, yeah. Uh at this time, we we know uh Hebrews 5, uh God uh refers to them on the milk of the word, and then he talks about the meat of the word, and and you have to move on, you have to mature, and he then goes right into the end of the church age, and the church has not matured, they've not moved on. It's kind of like, you know, for anyone that's had children, and uh you you they they get the baby food, the little jars, then they get the meat sticks, and and they're they're eating the meat sticks, but then, you know, pretty soon they're sitting down at the table with you and they're they're cutting their meat, and and they're having steak or chicken or pork and eating with the family. That spiritually is how it should be with the people of God and the Bible. But unfortunately, the church in um in some ways it was the condition of the church throughout the whole church age, but especially at the end, it's the apostate condition of the church, stuck in infancy, dependent on milk of the word, unable to partake of the meat of the word. They think the meat of the word a strange thing, and and they they they don't follow. But yeah, that that's a good verse in Isaiah, and and God tells us how we find um the meat. But uh, I'll read nine again. Whom shall we teach knowledge? Uh Isaiah 28, 9, and whom shall we make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast, for precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line. Here a little, there a little. Scripture with scripture, scripture with scripture. That's a good uh visual of what it means, you know, one Bible verse with a note line upon line. Well, um concerning concerning doctrine, uh, we learn it from men. We, you know, I learned I don't know how much of, you know, God knows how much the Lord blessed me through listening and studying with Mr. Camping. And and and yet, uh, you know, I thank God for Mr. Camping, but I know he's a man. And and actually, the more Bible study you do personally, the more you're in the word, the more you realize where it comes from and and who delivers the truth. And uh and you realize this is from God. It comes from God, it comes from the Spirit of God. And and the Bible tells us that the Spirit will guide you into all truth. And no man, the Spirit will use men as he guides, like he did with Philip. Philip, go uh unto that chariot where the Ethiopian eunuch is sitting and reading the book of Isaiah. And Philip goes running because the Spirit sent him. And when he gets there, the Ethiopian eunuch is reading Isaiah 53, and he has a question. Uh, pray tell, is uh who's in view here? Is it speaking, is the prophet speaking of himself or another? And from there he he Philip's been taught by Christ and has the answer and by the Spirit, and he is now able to deliver. What the problem with um you know much of the Christian world is they praise Philip. Oh, Philip, what a wonderful preacher! Or or they'll praise Paul, what a brilliant mind Paul had. You know, he was a Pharisee, he he sat under Galiel, and and it shows when you read the book of Romans, and they they praise the men where no, we should never praise the men or lift the men up. No, it is God. Uh if you want to see Saul, the brilliant theologian, well, he's on the way to Damascus to hail men and women to throw them into prison. That's where his brilliance took him. It was not to the point of understanding the least about the truth of Jesus Christ. Christ had to shine a brilliant light upon him and change him. That's the same with all of us. But but again, um the things continue thou, men know, in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. This is why you see people deviating from doctrine we learned under Mr. Camping. And basically, it's like, well, Mr. Camping's not watching anymore. Mr. Camping's not here to find out that I have gone off course when it comes to the land slain from the foundation of the world. You know, it's almost that kind of thing. Like the teacher has left. So I will go off into this direction, which is astray. And it was never Mr. Camping's doctrine, it was God's doctrine. And and God has tested us and them by taking Mr. Camping and leaving it. Well, now it's still being taught, but you know, the there's just not as much respect for those teaching it at this time. And and and uh it really shows they they very well could have been looking towards a man rather than receiving it from the Spirit of God as the truth that it is. And and this continuing, basically, true doctrine is Christ, uh, as it says in 2 John, uh, 2 John 9, whosoever transgresseth and abideth not, that's our word, meno. Whosoever transgresseth, that means sin, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ. If you go outside the doctrine, this isn't talking about, you know, um the you know, stealing or or or cursing or some, well, there could be spiritual application of that, but this is talking about understanding the truth of the Bible. If you had an understanding of the truth of the Bible and doctrine, you have learned it from God through a man, whoever that man was, and now you have departed from it, you've transgressed, you have sinned. Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. That's a serious, serious thing. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. So, so you know, sometimes people say, does it matter what I believe, what kind of knowledge I have? And and the the answer is, of course, um God's the one who gives understanding and knowledge, and we're not saved by our knowledge. But if we have received doctrine, we and the knowledge of doctrine, and we have uh continued in it for a certain period of time, and now we are leaving that doctrine for what reason? For what they it's never because, well, now this verse over here, or let me show you how it's wrong. It's just they quietly go away. They they kind of sneak off, and and now I'm free. Oh, it's so wonderful. And no, it's not. It's a horrible thing, it's a sorrowful thing. It's why we weep when people are going backward. They're they're leaving the the doctrine of Christ because Christ has brought it forth at this time of the end. Uh, and it's it's really for them, for them, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_04

A little bit off topic, Chris, but uh you mentioned pork. I think that would be a great side topic for another episode. Because a lot of people they'll tell you, I don't eat pork. And they'll they will uh attribute that to their belief system that if they eat pork somehow will defile them. So I think that at least as a side.

SPEAKER_02

They're getting that from the dietary laws of the Old Testament.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. But it's interesting, they don't want the pork. You know, they they might have other things, but it's something about Well, well, that's why I gave option. You could have chicken, you could have meat or pork that really gets them.

SPEAKER_01

You know Well, I told somebody recently that before the after the flood, God says you can eat of of all uh I forget how it's worded, but he says of all creatures you can eat. So that means obviously there was nothing wrong. He says rise up and eat, yeah. All yeah, rise up and eat. I think that's because all the trees probably would have been not available, right, after the flood if the water wiped out all the plants. You know, I know like the there's the olive leaf pluck it, but there probably wasn't a lot of vegetation.

SPEAKER_04

And you know the herd of swine that goes down, maybe that's why. They're like, no pork for me, maybe because of the swine. They're like, they don't want that. But you know, that's interesting, Chris. They will they will they will really adhere to that. No pork. But when it comes to the word of God, they don't have that sincerity or the same, you know, discipline. If that discipline that they had for pork was applied to just other things.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's like uh what's that guy's name in Jeremiah, his sons, who he told them don't drink. Right. I think the Rechabites? Yeah, Reca Rechabite, uh Rechab, I guess. And uh they followed their father's commandment very diligently, and God commended them for it, because uh it's kind of like Christ saying to the centurion, I have not found so great faith, not in Jerusalem, that that you're so obedient to to your father when my people are not. Obedient to me.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it you mentioned earlier when when Mr. Camping um passed away, or you didn't use that word, but a lot of people just kind of went off and continue to do so. And it kind of reminds me of like a family household as soon as the parents leave, you know, the the kids like, oh, they do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Look at family radio itself. It's um, you know, um uh unfortunately, uh a number of people that work there they weren't on board, as as the saying goes. And and by on board, we're talking about doctrinally. They they didn't have the doctrinal understanding, the church age was over. They didn't have the understanding of matters of time and judgment, and and now um they've gone back as a ministry, and basically they're not being used. They're not being used by God at this time.

SPEAKER_01

There was a verse I wanted to bring up uh regarding the verse you read earlier about the Jews, how they it it said that they believed on him, and then the same Jews that believed turned against Jesus and started calling him a devil. You know, this was a very popular verse for me after May 21, because you had all these people turning against us. But um Luke, this is Luke twelve, verses forty-five. It says, But but and if that servant say in his heart, My Lord delayeth his coming, and shall begin to beat the men's servants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken, the Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will point his portion with the unbelievers. And uh, you know, that's obviously it they don't just turn it, you know, turn away from the truth. A lot of times you find them attacking back and forth. And I just thought it was interesting how too um it says that he will come in a day when he look when he looketh not for him, and an hour when he's not aware. But obviously that day has come and they at least were aware of it until falling away, and then they it's like they they lose that awareness when judgment day.

SPEAKER_04

So I wonder if Would you say spiritually, Carl, that they are not looking for him because they're not in the Word of God. So th they are not aware because spiritually he's come unawares because they're not aware of the spiritual tribulation, the time they didn't know the time of their visitation, right?

SPEAKER_01

Something to Well I I was thinking if they were aware in the sense that they understood May 21 as judgment day, then they fall away. Okay. Um it's kind of odd for it to say um he's gonna come in an hour when when they're not aware because they were they were previously aware, but I I was just wondering if it's because they lose the the talent that they uh in a sense become unaware.

SPEAKER_04

Or do they have a special designation, Chris? People who were what we would call on the surface brothers and sisters in arms, but they raised it almost like they raised their heel against the elect. Because now that they've turned away. Some have mocked, some have turned away, but would you say that these were people who did not heed? Because there were some people who did come out of the church, but they returned again. No.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, I don't I don't know if there's a special designation. Uh well, God, I think they're the ones in view with the parable of the Lord who reckons with his servants and takes away the talents from them, and that's what we're seeing. Um not so much those in the churches, because God dealt with them with the uh the the separation of the wheat from the tares and bundled them as tares for the burning. So that basically has um taken care of all the Christians in the churches, but numbers of people outside the churches who came out, well, uh now they're like these fellow servants or beating their fellow servants. And it's true, it's not the secular society, it's not even the church so much that over these years since May 21, 2011, that has really been hostile. Of course, yes, they have been, but I mean uh in a continuous way, um and and to the degree of some that have gone back. When uh maybe it's because they they have to justify their action that they're um maybe more against these things, because if if um they turn around, they see e-bible fellowship, and e-bible fellowship is following, continuing, and and uh and that would mean and following the truth, uh it would mean they were wrong, and uh that that would be very hard for them to take. There's a verse, a couple of verses in 1 John 2, that uh I think it talks about continuing. I don't know if it mentions doctrine, but 1 John 2.

SPEAKER_01

Well, sometimes they think it's a good thing what they're doing, you know, coming back and telling um and and telling others, you know, you gotta get a I mean they they might think it's a notable cause to come back to and to say, you know, because I know some of the things yeah, there there has no I I didn't mean that.

SPEAKER_02

There there have been people they definitely should. They definitely should. There's no one who who's going to say a word except, you know, thank thank God.

SPEAKER_01

If anybody comes back uh No, no, no, no, I mean I mean those who I mean those who fall away, they try to maybe ensnare others or think that, you know, I I I was led astray, I'm trying to help you.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, when they're when they're talking to others about against these things. Right. You know, like I was once led astray, you know, I was humbled. So do you think it's I've had my eyes open, is basically what they're saying. Now now I I can say, oh, really? So uh what what are you doing? What understanding have you come from? Well now, and then they'll proceed to tell you the same doctrines that the churches have held to for hundreds of years and brought down the wrath of God upon the churches. But uh I just want to read a couple of verses. 1 John 2, it says in verse 18, Little children, it is the last time, and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrists whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us. That's meno. That's a form of meno abide. They no doubt would have abided with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. So that's God manifesting that they were not his people. They were not those that Christ purchased, which would be all the elect, and the fact that they go out and leave. I mean, how how do we identify this? We don't have a place. It's not like a church building now that people never come to. Uh how how do we know they leave? It's the doctrine. It's the doctrine when um they they they start posting or sharing things contrary to the doctrine. And uh the the I guess there is an online presence too, online fellowship, e-bible fellowship, electronic fellowship. And when when people are in agreement, they're they're understanding, they believe the doctrines that we have learned, yeah, e-Bible Fellowship, learn these by God's grace, many from Mr. Camping. We've continued in many of them by God's grace. Um, some more have been added, but we're continuing in the doctrine and others uh in various programs. When they call, when they share uh on Facebook, they're posting, they're sharing links, they're basically saying, I agree with this doctrine. I I'm I am on board with this teaching from the Bible. And and when someone has had enough, they'll go contrary to that. And and they'll uh start making statements and on on maybe this particular teaching or that particular teaching, and uh it comes down to a manifestation, which is uh a revealing not by us, not by any man, but really God is behind it, he's the one that takes the talent away. God is manifesting the fact that they're not in the doctrine of Christ. And what happens from John 15 that Bob read, if a branch does not abide, what what happens to the branch? It's burned.

SPEAKER_04

Burned up. And very and very quickly, Chris, it's kind of interesting. God sets the scenario up where the individual who turns away on the surface, it looks too good to be true, meaning if there was a large group of people who believed it, if it had all these external cues, it would be harder for them to leave. But actually, God makes it a small group of people. It's it looks meager, it looks so weak uh on on the visual aspect of it. So God actually creates an environment along with the doctrine for someone to say, Well, I'm gonna go back because all my friends are there and the church is there and the resources are there. But when I stay here, it's like in the wilderness. You know, I loathe this light bread. It's just us out here. Where's the water? No, where is everybody? And and so God creates a visual mirage, so to speak, where on the surface it looks like this meager uh addition.

SPEAKER_02

The cucumbers, the leeks, and the melons start looking pretty good. Exactly. Whenever I read that, I thought, what? That's not what I would be wishing after. I wouldn't be listening after cucumbers, that's for sure. And I don't even know what a leak is, but um it it's just the idea that that anything, you know, what with your mind, you start thinking about how it used to be, and you kind of build it up like sin. Sin's terrible, it's awful, it's ugly. And in our mind, if we don't watch out, you know, uh, if we've been mindful of that country, we might have had opportunity to return. So we better not allow our mind to do this. But in our mind, you could start thinking of former things, sinful things, and and former doctrine transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ. So bad doctrine is sinful doctrine. Thinking about sinful doctrine, there uh there just could be some people they never got it, but just kept their mouth shut or or just didn't sit right with them. And oh, you know, Mr. Camping, he's so faithful. I don't understand. Maybe I'll understand this later. And they they just kind of suppressed it. Right. And down the line, well, no more Mr. Camping. Um, and and so let me revisit this doctrine, and the the um lack of understanding comes out, um, and and and it leads uh to going away. Right. Not always, but sometimes.

SPEAKER_04

And final statement. It's like walking on a tightrope, and that person's, you know, they're they're balancing, and then somebody grabs it and they shake it. They're they're coming down because they they can endure. They can endure. But um, we've come to the uh end of the first hour of the program. We're gonna have a bonus half hour. We'd like uh to thank you all for listening to the Bible Exalted program. Now we're going to uh end this program for our radio listeners, but for those watching on live, we're gonna have the additional half an hour. Good night. Good evening, folks. Welcome to the Bible Exalted program. This is our bonus half an hour. For those who are watching us live on Zoom, YouTube, and other platforms. Tonight's discussion is abide. Joining us are our beloved panel speakers, Bob Grandy, Chris McCann, and Carl Bonderenga. We see a hand raised. So uh let's let's start with you. Please go ahead, Lynn.

SPEAKER_05

Hello?

SPEAKER_00

Hi, yeah, I'm here. I was turning off my um my regular um the web radio so that um we don't get noise in the background.

SPEAKER_04

You were abiding.

SPEAKER_00

Um can we say that keeping God's commandments, which is um showing forth our love to God, is inextricably tied to abiding his doctrine and abiding in the truths of the Bible. You know, um I was looking at um John 15, 9, 10 to come up with a um that question.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Uh John, I think Bob read this earlier. Uh John 15 and 9 and 10. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you, continue or abide ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my father's commandments and abide in his love. So what one thing I don't think we've uh said too much about is that it is basically um the fact that that God abides in us that allows us to abide in him. That that um well I had a verse somewhere here. I think it's um John 14. Yeah, John 14. Verse 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments, and will pray the Father, and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you forever, even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him, but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. So God will give us the comforter who will abide with you forever, and it's a spirit of truth. So that's how we abide in the truth. We have the spirit of truth abiding in us, keeping us, um, protecting us, and and preserving the truth. It's not that uh to say we we can't uh temporarily have a misunderstanding of um something, a doctrine, and be incorrect, but there there's that desire, ongoing desire, do the will of God, and we know the Bible brings correction, and when we're corrected, the humility of the child of God with a new heart, so so that we receive the correction. It's it's basically we are able to abide in the doctrine of Christ. And uh and that verse in 2 John 9, whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God. See, that takes on different meaning. That that um the reason they're transgressing, the reason they're not abiding in the doctrine of Christ, is because they hath not God. But uh the it went on to say that um that we do have God. And the next part of the verse, um to uh 2 John 9b, he that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he is both the Father and the Son. And we we shouldn't think, well, because they did not abide, they lost God, and because we abide, we have God. It's not that, it's the fact they didn't have God, that's why they didn't abide and transgress. And we do have God, the elect, and that's the reason why we're able to abide and continue and endure to the end. Um, to God be the glory, it is not us, it's not our wisdom, our understanding, our perceptive nature of truth. Oh, I can perceive truth or I can discern wisdom only because the spirit of truth, the spirit of wisdom, Christ, is within us, and and he's the one, you know, it's outworking through us the spirit and through our spirit, that when we hear things, he also gives us that tuner, you know, tune, did you ever hear those radios tuned to one station? That the um the uh they used to have them, I think, and and and sent them a family radio, I think, had some um and gave them out. So, you know, if you want to give somebody a radio, you don't want to have them jump in the dial. So it it was able to be tuned to one station. And that's what the Spirit of Christ does for us. We're tuned to truth. When we hear something untrue, a lie, it doesn't sound right. Maybe we can't figure it out at the time. Just no, I don't think so. And then when we hear a truth, scripture with scripture, oh yeah, that that is that's it, that's the answer. And so we're we're in tune. Uh so uh, you know, to uh go back to John 15. Um John 15 9 and 10, as the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you. Uh we love him because he first loved us. Continue ye in my love. Keep keeping my commandments, which is an indicator of love. And if you're loving me, that means I first loved you. So it's an indicator of that. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my father's commandments. And Christ was faithful all the way to the end, obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Nothing interrupted his faithfulness. He he uh continued, he he abode or abided in the truth, in doing the will of the Father, and uh He is the example.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's another verse in um So um Um our abiding in Christ also ties back to John 15 5 where it says Umless we abide in um without him we can do nothing.

SPEAKER_02

So Well, yeah, John 15 5, I am the vine, ye are the branches, he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit, for without me ye can do nothing. Now that there is also something here um that that we haven't talked about, which is abiding in a corporate sense. Uh you know, like uh Israel or Jerusalem abode in or the church. There there was a sense of abiding, or they should have been abiding in Christ. And uh where it says that you know, you'll be cast if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered. And men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. In Ezekiel 15, um it's a short. Short chapter, and it's about that very thing concerning um a vine tree, son of in verse two, son of man, what is the vine tree? More than any tree, or than a branch which is among the trees of the forest, shall wood be taken thereof to do any work? Or will men take a pin of it? Uh that's translated nail somewhere else. Will men take a pin of it to hang any vessel thereon? Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel. The fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meat for any work? Behold, when it was whole, it was meat for no work. How much less shall it be meat yet for any work when the fire hath devoured it and it is burned? Imagine the church was not meat for any work when it was whole, and now God's burned it up, and people are returning to it. That's how ridiculous it is. Therefore, thus saith the Lord Jehovah, as the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and will set my face against them, they shall go out from one fire, and another fire shall devour them, and ye shall know that I am Jehovah when I set my face against them. And so the the wood cast into the fire, Jerusalem, and uh Israel was cast into the fire of God's wrath, the church has been cast into the fire of God's wrath, the tares bundled for the fire, and and it's all because they did not abide. Remember, God's uh law for the corporate body is faithfulness. They had to endure faithfully. That was how they stood before God. And when they were unfaithful, well, then uh God put up with their unfaithfulness for his own reasons for a time. But he uh finally brought the day of judgment. Judgment began at the house of God, and and they're cast like like Romans 11, right? The um the original tree was it an olive tree there? And and the natural branches were broken off, and the other branches are graft in, and then God warned, and and the other branches were the Gentiles, the churches, and God warned, be not high-minded, but fear, for if he spared not the natural branches, take heed, thus he also spare not thee. And we've come to the point where the church did not abide in Christ, and and Christ is also like the root, you know, where the water comes from for the tree, and they didn't abide, they had no root, and so the tree withers and dries and and it's cast into the fire.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you. Well, thank you for calling. Yeah, we have another uh caller here. Please go ahead.

SPEAKER_08

Yes, okay. My uh question, um I'm on topic today. Uh my question is exactly what Chris was talking about. So my question, I guess it's for Chris or somebody wants to can answer. About abiding in the vine, John 15. It um Chris is right what he's saying. If you're corporately still kind of connected to the church, or then you have world savings to begin with. Is that kind of what you're saying, Chris? That you're only kidding yourself and joking e Bible and everybody else, if you ha weren't really saved and you're only like playing a game, or I don't want to be off topic, so maybe I could get an answer and take it over the case.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, uh we we're living in a time that that uh God has done this for the corporate bodies, uh and especially notice the fruit. The fruit. If you're going to be a branch, um, you have to bring forth fruit. Every branch in me, verse two, that beareth not fruit, he taketh away. And and Jesus came to the fig tree looking for fruit, and there was no fruit, so he cursed the fig tree, and he said, What I have done, you will do also. So at the time of the end, the people of God, as the Lord opened up the scriptures, we cursed the fig tree that is the church for the same reason, no fruit. They had no latter rain, they could not produce fruit without the rain, without the Holy Spirit in the midst, and and so God uh cut them off. But but it also fits individuals. It can it can apply to individuals, like we've been talking about for most most of the program. I just wanted to bring up you know the idea that that it can also be the corporate body. I agree, I agree. Well, thank you. Thanks for calling.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, good to hear from you. Hey Chris, uh uh regarding the question that came up first um about John 15, 9 and 10. There's a there's a good uh uh passage that uh is related in first John four, and it shows the reciprocal uh relationship, you know, God dwelling in us and and we we dwelling in him, or uh uh abiding in uh first John four fifteen and sixteen. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and that's 3306 me meno and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love, and he that dwelleth meno in love, dwelleth meno in God, and God in him.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, all the all the all those verses about love fit together.

SPEAKER_03

And the thing is too, you know, whosoever shall confess, well, like you said before, uh it's easy to do with can you know, confess with your mouth, right? But it has to be uh in conjunction with uh a new heart that that God has to do, He has to give us a new heart. So that confession has to, you know, uh that has to be the tr like a true confession that is accompanied with it with a a new heart.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, if I may say there is um there's an understanding that when I was in the church, when that verse, the wrath of God abideth forever, there was a a false understanding that that meant a physical state, that the wrath of God that abides forever would mean they would interpret that to mean that someone would have to continually be alive in order for God's wrath to abide. But now we are understanding the nature of God's judgment, that the nature of death is permanent, it's fixed, the annihilation is done, and it can never be altered, it can never be changed, and so the wrath of God abideth forever, in the sense that the judgment that God has done shall burn to the lowest hell and cannot he will not turn away. It will do exactly that he has set forth it will do. Um, but if you tell someone that who's in the churches, they will obviously say that's not so because you know they are fixed in that understanding that in order for something to abide, there would have to be a presence of both parties, you know, the the one being judged and the lawgiver. And so their their false understanding of the word of God it would not allow them to consider the fact that someone does not have to be alive and for God's word to to be enacted. They they they believe that the soul never dies, the unsaved person will continue on, and they look at that word abide in such a physical sense that they have to remain.

SPEAKER_01

We do have another caller if you guys want to take this. Sure, George. Please go ahead.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, good evening. Um I wanted I wanted to ask a quick question here. Is your topic tonight kind of what happened in the life of King Solomon?

SPEAKER_02

Uh it would fit. It would fit. Uh good uh good reference because we see that Solomon started well, and uh yet there's there's uh a need to finish well. Uh you know, when when we think of uh race, um sometimes people they uh they uh come blasting right off the line and and they're running really hard and fast and they burn out and and they don't make it all the way. And that's uh necessary with the Christian life, the Christian race to endure to the end, to make the finish line that God establishes the finish line for each one of us in our lives. It's for as long as we live, or for the uh duration of the world, which biblical evidence is pointing to 2033. But um yes, with Solomon at the time of his end, uh he he definitely was um the end of his reign, he he definitely was involved in a in apostasy in in much spiritual wickedness.

SPEAKER_03

He was a picture of the corporate church, right?

SPEAKER_07

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_03

All right, you're welcome. I was I was looking at uh a word in the old testament, it's uh uh pronounced Yoshab. And it's thirty uh thirty-four twenty seven and um most of the time it's translated as dwell over four hundred times, but it's also translated as abide seventy times, and uh one of the one of the times is uh that is translated as abide is in Psalm 61. And I just wanted to point this out because I wasn't sure if uh who this was is this referring to Christ or is it referring to um you know the elect or both? Um in in Psalm, it's a short psalm, so I can I can read the whole thing to give context. Hear my cry, O God, attend unto my prayer. From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee when my heart is overwhelmed. Lead me to the rock that is higher than I. For thou hast been a shelter for me and a strong tower from the enemy. I will abide in thy tabernacle forever. I will trust in the covert of thy wings. For thou, O God, hast heard my vows. Thou hast given me the heritage of those that fear thy name. That's why it leads me to believe that it's Christ, and the heritage would be the elect. Um Thou wilt prolong the king's life and his years as many generations. He shall abide before God forever, O prepare mercy and truth which may preserve him. So will I sing praise unto thy name forever, that I may daily perform my vows. So I brought this up because number one, it has abide. But I'm I'm I'm not sure it what do you think? What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_04

Well, uh I know this is off topic a bit, but Solomon in 2 Kings, I believe, chapter 23, King Josiah came and God calls it the Mount of Corruption. And that's pretty interesting, the Mount of Corruption. So it's it's really interesting how hundreds of years, I don't know if it's a hundred, but years after Solomon's death, the idols remained. And and that is a that's a very telling sign that Solomon did not recover from his his turning away from God. There was no recovery. And so the judgment remained until Josiah came and destroyed this amount of corruption that the idols that Solomon had built, which means judgment came upon, unfortunately, judgment came upon him for that activity.

SPEAKER_01

And I can't really think of any other believer uh elect in the Bible who had gods that they worshiped like that. I don't know if you guys can.

SPEAKER_04

Like I remember Gideon took the earrings and the gold, and unfortunately it was a snare, but I don't think they worshipped.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think they're like, remember Jacob, his his children had it, and he told them to put put away their gods. Put away their gods. Yeah. But like all of the I mean, especially considering how, you know, Abraham, Moses, all of the uh the major prophets, you know, none of them and the golden calf was beat down, so there was there was a recovery.

SPEAKER_04

There was a recovery.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, I guess Aaron, you know, I guess, but I don't think he he um worshipped it. He just did it for the people. He had to drink it. It was beating it. That's a good example of uh how Moses left the people and they're being tested with worshiping the golden calf. We were just talking about that.

SPEAKER_02

As far as Psalm 61 that Bob was reading, I will abide in thy tabernacle forever. Um I think we're the tabernacle, and God abides in us forever. Right? Um we're we're the the house, we're the temple, and he enters in. And it's a psalm of David.

SPEAKER_04

Can you compare that, Chris, to Psalm 125, 1 after you're done? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, how about how about verse 7? He sh he shall abide before God.

SPEAKER_02

Uh and um well then David is also our man and it could be could be referring, you know, to Christ. He could refer, he could be figured as Christ and then refer to Christ. Um twenty-five. Psalm 125, one, they that trust in Jehovah shall be as Mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth forever, as the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so Jehovah's round about his people from henceforth even forever.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'm sorry, Gary, do you want to say something about that? Go ahead, Chris. No, no, I wasn't going to speak about that. Did you want to say something about that? No, please go ahead. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, I just wanted to point out, uh, remember earlier, meno 3306, uh endureth, like Matthew 24, 13, he that endureth unto the end, 5278, hoopo meno, abiding under. There's another word. 5281. 5281. It's it's also hoopo meno, but it's like a different vowel on the end. Um, so so it's it's kind of different uh in the Greek. And that's the word that's translated as patience, like um, you know, uh in your patience, possession. Tribulation worketh pace in your patience, possession your souls, tribulation worketh patience. Revelation 13, 10, here is the faith and the patience of the saints, Revelation 14, here is the faith and patience of the saints. So, so it it's it's hoopo again, under, under abiding, abiding under. In in the context of Revelation 13, Great Tribulation, context Revelation 14, Judgment Day. So the the word endureth, continuing in doctrine, uh abiding in doctrine of Christ, and patience are all connected to to uh meno. And we can see why uh there's there's a need to be patient and waiting on the Lord to work these things out and not to kind of run away, not not to go away and and go back or go left or go right or go wherever, but but stay the course by God's grace. And you know, like like mentioned earlier, it's only those who have the spirit that are the spirit abides in us, causing us to abide and and have patience.

SPEAKER_01

You know, the you know the song I just made me think of just this topic, you know, abide with me. Not abide with me, abide with me, this even tied.

SPEAKER_02

Uh-huh. Yeah, we we should have had that as the intro.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. There there is the the verse.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you're you're the maestro over there. You can have it as the outgoing, right? You can find it on the website and play it.

SPEAKER_01

They can do it quick enough program. Sure. Uh Luke 24 29, though. That's where I think that song comes from. Luke 24, 29. But they constrained him saying, Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent, and he went in to tarry with him.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01

I think there's another one that says even tide. Go ahead, Gary.

SPEAKER_04

It's interesting how when we study the the word abide, it takes us throughout the Bible in different uh areas of endurance. And uh, you know, we thank God that we can you know talk about this. This is a very eye-opening uh topic of abide, and thankful that we could uh discuss its many different aspects of abiding because the wrath of God abides, and also the elect abide, and then the you know, the doctrine is how we're nourished. It's interesting. God nourishes us with doctrine, and it also uh it it drives away those who cannot endure. It drives them away as much as they want to hold on. It's it's like somebody who's holding on a bar and their muscles are just you know giving out, and and the doctrine drives them away as much as they'd like to stay.

SPEAKER_01

And it's nothing it's nothing new, too. Just think about what happened to Jesus and the disciples. I think there were a lot more disciples at the time. Um, and they and because as soon as Jesus said, You must eat in my flesh and drink in my blood, I think it said many from that day forward went away. So you would just think that people would like look at those examples, you know, and see, you know, obviously every doctrine is a test, and even then, back then, God was testing his disciples.

SPEAKER_02

This is a hard saying, who can hear it?

SPEAKER_04

Because actual cannibalism. Yeah, and you know what's interesting, I I think the the individual has this mindset of surely, uh, you know, when you know Haman, I know, I think it was Agag when he was caught. You know, he thought that he was gonna make it. He had this this this pride you could you could call it, that surely he would be spared. And so when someone who is not one of God's chosen, they don't seem to have that understanding that, hey, may perhaps you know, this is of the heart now. I'm not saying intellectually that that they too could be driven away and they should take heed and to seek you know these things. So I guess when the doctrine comes, they're not even aware that they're being driven away. They actually think they are being saved. They're actually thankful that they got out of this ordeal.

SPEAKER_02

I have I have one last verse, well, a few verses, 1 Corinthians 3, where Christ is the foundation and says in verse 12, Now if any man build upon, I think we'll we'll hear this a little differently after talking about this. Now, if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, every man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is, if any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall be. He shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved yet so as by fire. If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, and fire is put to it. Fire is put, what we're talking about, the branches abide in me. If not, you're cast forth as a branch and burned. And burning bush of Moses. It didn't get burned. It was that was uh fire on the bush, and the bush was not consumed by the fire. But but we're in the fire, and it's not burning us if we're truly saved. Uh are it's not um I I think the man here is Christ. This is the work of God that ye believe. If any man's work abide, then um by which he has he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. Christ comes with a reward, and his work it says in Revelation 22, his work before him. So the the uh abiding is going through the fire and making it until it's over, until the the end, and and then thyself, find thyself until the indignation is over past.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Of course, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abindigo, they were in the fire, not burned, but that was during the Great Tribulation representing that period. But the same idea, right, Gary, at the burning bush.

SPEAKER_04

It was a it was a sight for Moses because it was like it's on fire, but it's not burning it. It drew him. It drew him. He didn't run away from it. It drew him to see more. And that's the nature of God's elect. You know, they are not you know, it's interesting that when you have a doctrine, when you hear about it, you're you're excited. You're perhaps the first time you hear it, you're afraid, but you're drawn to it. You're drawn to it. Even though it could be a rough ride, it could be a rough ride, but you're drawn to it. You're not you're not being driven away, you're being drawn to it.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's like the mana, too. You those who ate the mana, you know, like I'm sure they delighted in it, who who weren't craving the leeks and the onions. They weren't competent. There are there were few. But I was thinking too, I was like, if anyone had a reason to return, it would be Moses, not so much the slaves, because at least he was a free man, you know, and he had he says he was dis he had respect into the recompense of the reward, but he was next in line to be a pharaoh. He was gonna have it better than all of the you know, the Israelites. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Go ahead, Carl.

SPEAKER_01

No, I was just gonna say it says he had respect into the recompense of the reward. Right.

SPEAKER_04

Right. I know uh Chris talked about this. It's after God said, for each day, you'll spend a year. That's when Israel said, Oh, we're gonna go now. We're gonna go. And uh that's what's happening right now. You're seeing, you know, church attendance going up. You're hearing people becoming more spiritual, you're hearing people converting, or these um, you know, these mega events where people are, you know, if they're accepting awards for, you know, best actor, and you know, they're giving a proclamation of how they've they've really turned their lives around. And it's a good thing, at least, you know, it's but it's not unto salvation. It's it's it's um they're not aware that the time has passed and the day of judgment has come. Has God truly saved them? It's none of my I I'm not qualified to to judge them because who knows?

SPEAKER_01

I always thought it was interesting. There's a giant stadium. Uh I saw this a while ago where everyone was shouting uh Christ is king. The whole stadium was lit up. And I was like, man, I was like, just imagine like I don't I don't think that's ever really happened. I mean, I'm not like a huge sports fan, but it just seemed a bit unusual for an interesting.

SPEAKER_04

They were just doing that in London. Someone sent me a video to to comment on that. There was a huge procession of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, um trying to, you know, give thanks to God.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I wonder if the devils know that that because Satan lost the kingdom, you know, maybe they're running around, you know, inspired, you know, because they're still within Satan's kingdom, you know, uh recognizing that Christ is on the throne, because they they do tremble at Christ. So maybe they're I don't know if they're stirring up people to say that or why.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. They God said they would say to the rocks fall on us and to the hills cover us. So maybe that's what's happening now.

SPEAKER_01

Because it is a truth, you know, Christ is king of kings. So for them to all of a sudden be saying that just interesting.

SPEAKER_04

Very interesting. Maybe we can after we're talking about pork, we can discuss that matter as well. Any any uh other words, gentlemen? No. All right. Well, again, this these programs, the Bible Exalted, I I really find just different um ways that God is really uh showing us that when we can talk about his word, he's really shedding different angles of light. And it's it's beautiful because the previous program we talked about you know light and darkness, and we had that one verse. In his light, we see light. In your light, we see light. And it's just a blessing to be here. Well, folks, we've come to the end of our pro yes, yes, Bob.

SPEAKER_03

I do have one more verse, which is interesting. That word 3427, it's it's a good way to leave, uh to end the show. Um, in Isaiah 12, verse 6 cry out and shout, Thou inhabitant of Zion, for great is the holy one of Israel in the midst of thee. We know that Zion is is a you know a picture of uh the New Jerusalem and the body of the elect. And the word inhabitant is actually the word that was I was looking at before that's translated as dwell uh and abide. So cry out and shout, thou dweller, or thou abider of Zion, for great is the holy one of Israel in the midst of thee. I thought that was a that's a great verse.

SPEAKER_02

And it helps understand all those verses that say uh Jerusalem or Judah will be desolate without an inhabitant. Yeah, God is not in Judah, he's not in the church, but he's in his heavenly kingdom.

SPEAKER_04

Amen. And I'm thankful that no matter what we're going through in this life, you know, whatever physical issues that are have that we are going through, the word of God really comforts us, no matter what, no matter how bad it gets, if you're a child of God, the word of God can comfort you over and over again. We we see that many times in the many different Bible stories. Those who suffered great affliction, they were comforted by the word of God. Well, folks, we've come to the end of our program. The Bible exalted. Uh please uh hope.

SPEAKER_02

Uh uh the 11th hour. Well, I don't know. I think the clock's uh striking.

SPEAKER_04

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SPEAKER_02

Good night.

SPEAKER_04

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