Model Car Mania Podcast
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Episode 9 - "The One with Billy Strange!"
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Episode 9 - "The One with Billy Strange!"
The guys get to hang out with their friend, Billy Strange and talk about everything from box art to painting techniques to judging model car show to 1:1 cars to 1/25 scale cars and everything in between!
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I'm going swimming with the manatees, but I'm scared to death that somebody's going to think I'm one of them.
SPEAKER_12I was going to say the manatees are going to say, hey, we're swimming with Mike tomorrow.
SPEAKER_04Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, that one's evolving, trying to come out of the water. Smack it with the oar, smack it with the oar.
SPEAKER_07Welcome to Model Car Mania, a modeling and sanity productions podcast dedicated to everything automotive and car modeling. Here are the hosts of the Model Car Mania Podcast, BG, Jason Hanscomb, Justin Ryan, Mike Outlaw, and Jody Doyle.
SPEAKER_04Hello and welcome to the Model Car Mania Podcast, a podcast for model car maniacs by model car maniacs. This is your friend, Mr. BG, along with a few guys that think rollerblading is an awesome new way to shave. Let's say hello to our podcast panel. First up, we have one of the best scratch builders around, Jody Doyle. Hello, everybody. Next, we have one of the best cat dads ever, Jonesy's dad, or uh Jason. What's up, everybody? And we have a man who likes to hunt ghosts as a side gig, but won't come to my workshop and exercise the undead spirits of my zombie models, Justin Ryan.
SPEAKER_09Hello there.
SPEAKER_04And finally, wanted in the state of New Hampshire for impersonating a bazillionaire, Mikey the scale model outlaw.
SPEAKER_05What's going on, everybody?
SPEAKER_04This week we have a special guest star, Mr. Billy Strange from the YouTube.
unknownHello.
SPEAKER_04Hi, Billy.
SPEAKER_10I was waiting. I was waiting for a more seamless transition and I I lost it.
SPEAKER_04You um what you wanted to have a seamless, or you thought I was going to give you a seamless.
SPEAKER_10I I hey the seamless now.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, very that's right.
SPEAKER_04Thank you told. Okay, all right. So I tell you what, guys, let's go ahead and get started with the uh what's on your bench and we'll spin the wheel and start with Mike because he's not looking at the camera. Ha ha. Busted. Dang it. Busted.
SPEAKER_02Well, as many of you know, if you watch the Sunday show, I have finally finished up my Northeast modified.
SPEAKER_04Took it to the uh okay, Jason. What about you? No, I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_02And there you have it. That's my life short. Now I'm working on the uh 76 Pacer. Um, I've been doing some videos and some Facebook on it. Uh basically I put the uh Viper back half, back bumper and tail tail light section, and now I'm working on the uh Shelby Cobra flares that I'm adding to the side of it to widen it out. So the pacer is on the bench. So you got Shelby Cobra, Viper, and Pacer in there, right? I know. I know I I should have never messed up the perfectly good pacer with you know the Viper and the Cobra parts, but hey, you gotta detune it somehow, right? The pacer is the most amazing car ever designed, ever built, most beautiful car ever designed, and ever built.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and then he sobered up.
SPEAKER_04How long were you a rodeo clown? I just asking for the audience's sake. No comment. Okay, that was too much thought put into that answer. Yeah. Gonna clap blip clap. Ching, no comment. Jody, what have you got on your bench?
SPEAKER_12So currently, so I just finished a little uh NPC uh Honda Super Hawk 77. So in 40 plus years of model building, I've never built a motorcycle. It turned out okay. You know, I went kind of old school, used some testers, colors by Boyd, Shizoom Teal through the airbrush, just kind of polished it a little bit. Really finicky kit. I was trying to get fancy with it and put cables and everything on it, and it went sideways. I almost stomped it into the floor a few times. I put it in a box a couple times, and I said I'm not gonna be beat by a piece of plastic or myself, so I pulled it out and had to scratch build a couple pieces, fender braces for the front. Finally got it done and posted pictures up on my uh Facebook page. Turned out pretty good, you know. It's the end of the day. I should have just stuck the course and just did it box stock and it would have been fine. But just started working on the uh Tamiya Skyline 2000 GTR, the fancy version with um Auto Edge Parts, got aluminum uh carburetor horns on it. It's a really nice kit. So painted a bunch of parts and pieces, just painted the body, it's ready for 2K clear. What else am I working on? That's a pretty much the primary ones. I've got other stuff kind of started, but I'm gonna try to get this Nissan done from there. I don't know. Probably pick up one of the other ones that I've started. The uh short track group build. That's not gonna be done the first of June. So that's it for me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I forgot that's I forgot that's coming up. Dang it. Um okay, good. It is.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I'm gonna miss the deadline.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, miss the I'm gonna I'm gonna miss the start and end deadline.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_04Uh that's how Mikey has it set up. Thank you, Jody. Okay, let's go on to Billy. What have you got on your bench, sir?
SPEAKER_10I am still in the throes of trying to well, complete is not the proper word. I am still in the middle of the Toyota 88C MSA GTP car from Hasegawa. I got the what is it, Scale Motorsport 3D printed wheels for that car, and they are very detailed. So I thought this would be a great idea. I'm gonna do these things up. They're excellent, except, of course, I went too far, painted all this stuff, put them together, and realized you're not gonna see half the things that I did. So yay! Uh you know, the normal stuff. I like did the brake caliper and I did the brake disc. I'm like, oh, this is gonna be really cool. I like sanded everything, you know, primered, and then like lightly did the Brembo on there so you could see the Brembo nice, and then I freaking washed it so it it's so buried in there when it's gonna be on the car, you're gonna have to take like a flashlight and get no, never gonna see it. It's completely pointless what I did. Um, good job. So yeah, I spent like no, that's I'm not one of those people. No, no, I just I probably spent on the four wheels and then including the tires from the kit. I don't know, I probably spent like a good 25 hours doing this thing on just these wheels. They're so they're really, really nice. So it allowed me to do all this stuff to him, and then I was like, Oh, no, you can't see like a third of the things I did. Oh well, it'll be really good for somebody that pulls it apart and shows you the stuff, except I put everything to together. So that's where I'm at. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you know, I went a little further than that. I got I got have the dash done, some other stuff, and I'm on to masking the body, but that was my primary uh any spare time I had besides my club. I'm a part of like three clubs, two of the clubs in May put on shows, and so I was helping get those put on and taken care of, so I there was a lot of time drain in there. So I didn't get a whole lot of time to work on the kit. Any time that I did have, it went to the wheels.
SPEAKER_04You know, being part of three different clubs at the same time and putting on shows. That doesn't sound like fun at all. No, um, I can't recommend it. It was a lot.
SPEAKER_14It doesn't sound like fun at all.
SPEAKER_04Okay, cool. Thank you, Billy. Um can't wait to talk to you about that that the the cob was it the cobra cycle or the uh the cobra chopper. The cobra chopper, yeah. The cobra chopper is it is it is a swordsenaker, is it more of like a G.I. Joe Cobra?
SPEAKER_03Cobra.
SPEAKER_10Oh wow, I didn't even think of that.
SPEAKER_04When do you think you might have that Toyota done? Because you've been working on that one for a little while now, right?
SPEAKER_10Well, the annoying part is the cobra chopper took me six weeks, so I'm like, this puts me in a better cadence for building models now. I've got like a good flow going, so I really thought that this Toyota was gonna take me roughly the same amount of time. There's no engine, it's a curbside. You can throw that right out the window. I've completely blown that out of the water. So any estimated date is purely fictional now. I have no set because I'm terrible at this. I really thought I had a better handle on well putting models together.
SPEAKER_04You are talking to the guy that was supposed to do a three-hour build with a snap together kit, it took three weeks.
SPEAKER_10That's about I can't even say that's my timeline because that I would probably double yours.
SPEAKER_04Okay, I was telling my nephew about that. He goes, Yeah, that tracks. Wow, I can feel it.
SPEAKER_12Perseverance brought you into the future, though. Yes, thank you.
SPEAKER_04Which is a great name for uh a documentary about this whole thing.
SPEAKER_12You should have made a documentary, the emotional abuse and uh distraught that it took to put together a three-hour build in three weeks. Yeah, yes, made for TV movie, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It was it was an iceberg, people were falling off a tall building. So this is everything, it has everything. Um, some sort of movie reference from Rob Riv stuck in there someplace. Um building was on fire. It was on fire, people were on fire falling over themselves. All right, Jason, what about you? What have you got on your bench other than a piece of pizza?
SPEAKER_14Other than the pizza, I have uh I'm starting to feel like Mikey over here. I've got the same stuff on my bench that has been here for what feels like forever. Those three car bodies. Three car bodies. I I am in a bit of a slump, gentlemen. I come in here after work and I look at the three of them and I think, you know, I'd rather do anything that rather than decal those bodies. So there they sit.
SPEAKER_13You should build an airplane.
SPEAKER_14Um I don't want to build nothing right now. It's it's a slump. Um yeah, so I've got the the short track group build is still sitting here ready for decals. Um, the glory days of drag racing 65 altered wheelbase, ready for decals, and the rally cool launcher. Um however, it's a holiday weekend as we're recording this, and I'm hoping that I'll have some downtime with rain coming. I won't have anything else to do, but sit here and hopefully get some stuff done.
SPEAKER_04You know what? I have a three-day weekend also, and I have a lot of decaling I have to do as well. I mean, I have three kids sitting here waiting for decals. Oh we should have a decal party. We should a decal buddy build? Yeah, shut up, Francis.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, we should know what you need for a slump muster.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, what's that?
SPEAKER_11A cobra chopper.
SPEAKER_14Oh god, you know what? I feel myself coming out of the slump already. No, no use for that.
SPEAKER_03It's not a chopper.
SPEAKER_14Right. Yeah, we should. We should hop in the Discord on Sunday and or Monday and help each other get through this because I'm yeah, that's what we're here for, man.
SPEAKER_04This is the the support, the decal support group. Yeah, I like stickers. I like stickers. You can't there's there's the door, son. Yeah, exactly. Ding the fries are done. Or they're in 30 seconds scale. Speaking of uh speaking of doors and ding fries are done. Did you unplug the microwave, Mikey?
SPEAKER_02I did not, but I did send out word that I'm doing a podcast, so hopefully they'll not have any popcorn.
SPEAKER_14Like that has helped in the past.
SPEAKER_02Listen, they want they want me to go to Crystal River, so they're gonna like do whatever it takes to get me the hell out of here.
unknownThat's wonderful.
SPEAKER_04It is. Has anybody got a count on how many times he's mentioned Crystal River? Isn't that where uh Friday the 13th takes place? No, I think that was Crystal Lake. That was Crystal Lake.
SPEAKER_13Okay, which by the way is also a co it's a uh scouting reservation now.
SPEAKER_02Nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_13You can actually go camping there as a scout.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. Uh oh. Let's go to Crystal Lake Cub Scouting.
SPEAKER_12Well, Crystal River, Crystal Lake. Regardless, there's gonna be naked bodies, and it'll be a horror and a tragedy.
SPEAKER_14And if her naked wrapped into one, so I'll tell you what, I'll grab my mask and I'll meet you there.
SPEAKER_10That's a weird way to meet Crystal.
SPEAKER_04I'm just saying, yeah, right, right. It's like an orgy with an odd number of people. No, no thanks. We set the bar and you cross the line with a manatee. That's it. He's got his head.
SPEAKER_02Put that back with the manatees.
SPEAKER_04And Mike's gonna come back with a new girlfriend on Monday.
SPEAKER_13Yeah, but he's gonna have to put in a pool through a saltwater pool so the manatee can stay. It's gonna be a fancy manatee for style.
SPEAKER_04It's gonna be like splash.
SPEAKER_06Yep.
SPEAKER_02Well, the best part is you're you're allowed to swim with them, but you're not allowed to touch them. And they'll come right up to you, but you can't touch them. That's it.
SPEAKER_14How much for a laptop?
SPEAKER_12Not not while I'm swimming. Listen, they don't want they don't want they don't want you touching them regardless. So probably probably a good policy. Swimming on me, please.
SPEAKER_04Okay, you know what? Uh aquatic life aside, uh, let's get over to Justin and find out what he's got on his bench. I hope it's not speaking of menatees. Well, since you saved your beard, exactly, exactly good.
SPEAKER_13Um, although it's starting to come in now, so I'm now I'm starting to look like a walrus.
SPEAKER_04I I want to go back and we do the beginning now. I'm gonna call you bad manatee.
SPEAKER_13Uh so on my bench. Um last weekend I completed installing the decals on the Rally Cool group build Peugeot. Did a little more part installation on the Meng patchy, and uh that that's about it. I typically don't have the energy to do anything, the drive to do anything at the bench when I get home from work Monday through Friday. So right now, since I don't need the bench to escape, because I've escaped, I hit that eject button six months ago, I just build on the weekends.
SPEAKER_04So I get you.
SPEAKER_13That's what I got. Started a little paintwork on the P38 Lightning. Other than that, not really much going on.
SPEAKER_04Right on, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, time and energy are not very affordable these days, exactly.
SPEAKER_13And uh I I did start that um model insanity group body build challenge, uh, which has actually quite taken off quite well. I I see a lot of guys posting in the modeling insanity group their quote unquote fitness journeys, uh, using that image that I created uh with our logo. So I've been hitting the gym two, three nights a week. Nice. I'm exhausted.
SPEAKER_04You know, I go to the gym too, but I just hate doing decals also. Yeah, all those all those press on things.
SPEAKER_10Okay, you should decal while you gym. Who the fuck is Jim?
SPEAKER_04Uh didn't know Jim was on the decal buddy. Yeah. Decal buddy.
SPEAKER_12Hey, hey, do you gym? Do you do you plan? Only recreationally trying to decal a uh Tamiya fucking rally car while you are on an elliptical machine. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_13I thought you were gonna say decal the Tamiya elliptical machine. Well, that would also be elliptical.
SPEAKER_04You know, when you get done trying to do the decals on your Tamiya, it will look like an elliptical machine because all the decals on there. All right, well, I hear you guys asking to yourselves, Mr. BG, what have you got on your bench? Well, I'll tell you. Not a whole lot different than the last couple of shows because I seem to be stuck in the same vortex that Mikey is on getting stuff done. But on Monday and Tuesday, I took it upon myself to teach myself, who is a very bad student by the way. Uh, I had to hit my knuckles with rulers several times, how to paint with the Kaleido paints. And I actually found on their website they have YouTube videos uh on how to use their products, and I followed them to the letter and I came out with some beautiful looking parts for uh Gundam Mecha thing that I'm working on. I figured that would be a good because it's got lots of curves and bumps and stuff, so I figured that'd be a good thing to learn how to paint on. And then I am like so so close to finishing up the GT. Oh my! Uh I decided to leave the cut the body in the metallic color that I was going to base for a um for a transparent teal over the top of that. But now I've gotten some opinions from some friends that I trust that uh what you know should I keep it at the on this metallic color? And everybody was like, Yeah, do it because it looks awesome, and you don't see that model in that metallic color very often. So I'm like, cool, all right. And the then the color I used uh is the Kaleido metallic uh stainless steel, and it picks up all sorts of different colors, so it's really a cool looking color on that car. So I'm very, very close to finishing that. And then had a bit of a setback on the El Camaro because while I was cleaning my airbrush at my desk, I don't know what possessed me to do this, but I picked up the the the alcohol bottle of alcohol, rubbing alcohol, and I shook it and sprayed rubbing alcohol all over my El Camaro and I ate through my Tamiya paint uh primer on the body. So yeah, so it was wasn't as bad as what my friend Chuck has done in the past, but I'm still like ooh, but rule number one when that stuff gets onto the paint of the car, don't touch it, just let it do whatever it's gonna do. Don't try wiping it off, just let it sit there because now I can go back and sand it and reprime it, and it'll be fine. But yeah, right now it looks like looks like Freddie Krueger's face in black and white. But uh yeah, no, I I was really, really happy with how the painting sessions went for the Kaleido stuff. So uh I I have the metallic paints and then the transparent paint sets, and I'm just so stoked about how that looks. So I did um I try uh practice with the primer and then I uh the black primer, and then I went on to the their gold paint, their flashy gold, and then over the top of the flashy gold I did a transparent red, so it's got like a candy apple thing going on. It's just freaking beautiful. And I'm doing all this on a suit of armor. I'm like, oh, I should have done this on a car, but I didn't want to sacrifice a model to the to the learning curve thing. So that's where we're at there. And uh yeah, uh things at work are starting to pick up. As a matter of fact, this next month in June, I'm gonna be going almost full time. So I'm gonna be going four days a week instead of just you know twosies, threezies here and there. Looking forward to that. But I had a tragedy in a family at the beginning of the month. So we had Mrs. BG's family all here, uh, surrounding uh us and her father who had passed away, and everybody's doing great. Thank you for those who who already knew and had reached out. Uh, we're all doing great, everybody's doing well. He was it was getting to be time, so it was just like um like a win deal. So when it finally happened, it was like a big load that had been released, and then it was just the let's let's get back on track and get on get on with life type of thing, as he would want us to do. And then um during all that, uh sort of bought a new car, got a 2025 Mustang. So uh been really enjoying going to work and back on that. But uh wait, but uh hey, I get back in time to record the podcast now. So that's but uh yeah, it's been a lot of fun and um just trying to be there for Mrs. BG and stuff, you know, you know how you need what you need to do. Family comes first. So there we go. That's that's what's been going on on our benches. I tell you what, let's uh let's go on to our topic, which is Billy Strange. Billy. On my own topic. You're you're you are the topic.
SPEAKER_08Oh no.
SPEAKER_04Well, this is kind of a twofold thing, right? We wanted to have you on because you're a friend to all of us here, and we really enjoy talking to you on on all the other genres and stuff. And hell, I miss hanging out with you because we've had a we got a chance to do that a couple times the last few years, but we kind of wanted to talk a little bit about how real automotive world inspires the model car world. And I remember Jason was was bringing this topic up and I was like, we should get somebody on who has experience with both. And then Jason was like, You mean like Billy Strange? I'm like, Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10So perfect. I will continue to not impress, and I know just enough to sound stupid. So here we go.
SPEAKER_14Perfect, you fit in perfect.
SPEAKER_10I was gonna say you fit in perfectly here.
SPEAKER_04Let me start writing down times for editing. Hang on a second, right? There we go.
SPEAKER_10Get a long notepad out, right?
SPEAKER_04But you actually have racing history in your in your background, correct?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so was it just dirt track? Mainly dirt track. So that starts how far back do we want to go? So you could just start with my Jason's motioning way back, I or way back because he just shoved a big piece of pizza in his face.
SPEAKER_04He's like, just do it way back there.
SPEAKER_10Slightly abbreviated, but not. My family has been involved in motorsports, starting with my grandfather. He did, I mean, he raced all kinds of stuff motorcycle. Boats, hardtops, basically anything, uh drag racing, anything he could do. And then my yes, he all kinds of stuff. And then my dad started when he was very little, my grandfather started a company that was stelling and did a club for kids, something called a quarter midget. So think of like if you're not familiar with a quarter midget, think of like go-karts, except these are like little sprint cars the size of quarter midgets or the size of go-karts. And they built a track, and this was a club for kids to get involved in motorsports that wasn't road racing. This was to teach them how to do oval stuff. It was on dirt, and that's how my dad started was when he got old enough. He got put in one of those, and then my dad started racing motorcycles, and it was mainly flat track until he got hurt really bad. And that was he got hurt when he was 17. You know, he ended up puncturing a lung, like real bad. But he was racing semi-pro, but at a pro level, he just wasn't allowed to be pro yet. He couldn't race the half mile stuff, so he was racing quarter mile against the pro guys. My grandmother was like, I'd like to see you finish high school. So then they pivot and started racing what they called modified, which were uh dirt modified, which were basically on the way to evolving into sprint cars.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_10It it was kind of this weird in-between thing. There weren't hardtops anymore. Those kind of evolved into these. They were still taking that form of a car, but they were putting starting to put wings and arrow stuff on. So dad started there, then moved to sprint cars and and stuff like that. So that was an evolution. And when I was young, my dad also had got into racing RC cars. So then my dad started me in our so my dad started me in RC cars, and then when I got old enough, I started racing quarter midgets, and we didn't have a whole lot of money. So my dad did a lot of odd jobs, and so did my mom, so that we could afford to do the extra stuff, and my brother did it too, and then we kind of ran out of money, so that kind of stopped the quarter midget stuff, and then when I got older, I was like, I want to race cars, but that was in my late 20s, so I kind of missed that whole period of developing a skill, so I had to do a crash course, and it was pretty hard, but I ended up racing sprint cars, and then after I raced sprint cars, I did a little bit of road racing, primarily with a 125cc shifter cart on big tracks. So that would be like um we have a track up here called Thunder Hill. You're talking like Sonoma, yeah, uh, like you know, big tracks, not karting tracks, where you kind of learn, not kind of, you do learn drafting and stuff like that. So at Thunder Hill, we were doing, I think that if I remember correctly, we were doing like 112 or 113 in the draft in a 125cc shifter cart. It was really cool because you learned like you when you watch NASCAR and they talk about how they side draft and stuff like that. I learned that I actually felt that in the go-kart. It was really cool.
SPEAKER_03That's awesome.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I didn't think I would like it as much as I did. So I've got that background, but what helped that background was in between all this stuff, I sim raced as well. So I kind of learned all of the road racing stuff, all the fundamentals by sim racing. And I played video games, so my dad always kind of instilled in us this, even when we raced our C cars, like we learned fundamentals of racing through our C cars. So, like everything kind of we're talking about how real-world cars influence how you're building a model car, all of this stuff ties together, like everything kind of connects with this stuff.
SPEAKER_04Um 100%. I mean, I mean, I could I could even feel the side draft off of a semi-truck while I'm on the highway in my old.
SPEAKER_10You're getting that push, right? And then when you're doing the side draft, real quick, when you're doing the side draft, you're dragging the other one that you're draft going by, you're slowing them down, you're actually pulling them and slowing them down as you're going by. So you kind of go in close. I know they can't see what I'm talking about, but you pull in close, and then you as they're slowing down, you pull away from them so you don't slow yourself down, and you kind of do this slingshot away from them and you feel it, especially being in a cart. It's crazy. I was like, it really works. Like, because I was I was in a line, I was in a line of like six, and I got this run coming off of a corner, and we were on a straightaway that's of good length. I was like, I wonder if this actually I can try this. I pulled out a line and I just kept leapfrogging my way up. I was like, This is amazing! Oh whoa! And with the cart with that two stroke, you can really hear the RPM pitch in the engine change as you're doing it, and you can hear theirs changing. It was wild. That's cool. Oh, I had no idea.
SPEAKER_04When you're dragging them back, you can hear their engines labor labeling.
SPEAKER_10Yep, yeah, it's so cool.
SPEAKER_04That's so it's like a like a gravitational pull almost.
SPEAKER_10It's it's such a bizarre thing because you you feel you feel like you know what they're talking about when you watch it on TV, and then you get to do it yourself, not in the same way, but in a way that strips it all down so you can hear it like that, and you're just like this is incredible, this is amazing. I get to somewhat experience what they're doing. Obviously, I'm not going as fast, it's not the same car, nothing like that. I'm not the same level as they are, but just at the level that I'm doing it at. This is so cool. Like, this is so neat and unique. And then you kind of like again tie it back to everything that I've been doing up to this point, all plays into this moment. It's I don't know, that's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_14That is cool.
SPEAKER_04That's really cool. Now, um, I I will I will disclose that I think Billy is the only person I know of that properly knows how to test drive a Porsche. Okay. He was telling us over lunch one day, and it was just like, there was sound effects, there was everything. It was awesome.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, that's so part of what I do now is like there was a sim last year that I helped with, and I got lucky enough to drive uh through people I know. I got lucky enough to drive a GT4 and a GT4RS, rather. And one of the things that I was not anticipating was the induction noise that that car makes is overwhelming when you put your foot in it because that it's right behind your head, basically, where that intake, right? So the induction noise it just it overwhelms the exhaust note that's happening, and you're just like, Oh my god, what is that? Every time you put your foot in it, it's unreal what that thing sounds like inside the car. It's so cool, it sounds so awesome. Yeah, it's the and it's something that like a microphone doesn't really capture very well because that's what I was trying to explain to them in the sim. They they're giving you a lot of the exhaust noise because that's what you think you would be hearing. And I'm like, huh, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. Like, you're getting a boatload of induction that air just it sounds like it's trying to swallow a whole village behind you, like it's it's so overwhelming, you know. It's I I've been really fortunate enough to be able to do a bunch of different things, so that yeah, that was one of them. That's cool, that's very cool.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, I would say I would check something like that out, but I'll never have a chance to drive one of those cars.
SPEAKER_02Listen, my Jeep compass has a turbo. When I lay down on it, I know exactly what you're talking about. I hear that same sounds like it's gonna suck the bark off a tree. I mean, that's yeah, the squirrels move out of the way and everything.
SPEAKER_04Right, squirrels are like, is that coming at me? I think it's coming at me. I should probably move. Oh, well, forgot forgot my walnut. Hang on a second. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_13Then you then you remember that your Jeep compass is actually built by Fiat.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, you know, them sports Italian cars, French cars, they're all the same. Right, right.
SPEAKER_10French superheads they're over on that that place over there. Across the pond, yeah, they're over on they're across the pond.
SPEAKER_02Italian cars, yeah. The Italian, Frenchies, whatever, they're all good.
SPEAKER_14Listen, the Italians make a damn good sports car, so you could loosely seven degrees of Kevin Bacon type stuff tie it to your compass.
SPEAKER_04Totally, yes, that's all you need. Seven degrees of bacon type stuff. Oh I love it.
SPEAKER_10So to kind of tie this all back in, I had not built models since I was a kid, and I had always been aware of loosely what was going on because my dad never stopped building, and then we opened up together. We opened up a hobby store in 20, what was that? Uh six, so very end of 2012. Okay, and so he had taken care of the model side, and I was taking care of the slot car side, and we were carrying brands like uh Scalectric, Carrera, Slotit, stuff like that. So they're 132nd scale, highly detailed slot cars, and that was my expertise. And we had built hand-routed wood tracks, dad and I. Um, and so we would have races there Wednesday night. That's what we did, and so I still was aware of model cars and what they do, and I love box art, box art is one of my favorite things, and so I still every once in a while would buy models because I was like, Ah, someday I'm gonna build models again. And as the store went along, I kept buying models every once in a while, and then we closed the store because things got too expensive. And in 2024, with the prompting of my wife, I managed to buy my unicorn car, which was a 1995 R33 Skyline GTR, and I had to wait six months though for it because to get it legalized in California is a process. There's only one place in Southern California, in all of California, and it's in Southern California, that the shop can go through the process of getting it California legal, and then you have to go through the ref, it's a process, but so I wouldn't have any issues. My wife and I decided this is what we're gonna do, and it passed with flying colors. I don't have to worry about it anymore. It has no issues passing. And with that, you know, they basically do like an engine rebuild. It's it's worth it, it's just it's a pain in the rear. So while I'm waiting for it, my brother, in the meantime, decides he's gonna start building car models again. I was like, hmm, I wonder if they make a model of my R33. I check to Mia and they make a V spec version of my car. I'm like, well, it's not exactly the same version as my car. I'm like, I want like the version of mine, and all of a sudden I come across Fujimi makes my R33 GTR. I was like, oh, oh, oh, this is cool. And when I happen to check the site, it might have been Scale Riders possibly that had it. And all of a sudden, there's other manufacturers that I wasn't really aware of before. I kind of sort of was aware, but not really. So Hasegawa, and they all of a sudden it was over at that point because I'm a kid, not kid at the time, Gran Turismo and all this stuff, like it's over. I saw all these kits that are speaking to my JDM, Japanese touring car, JGTC, all this stuff, and I saw all these freaking Japanese touring cars available. I was like, I'll take that one and that one and that one and that one. Oh, and I'll take that JDM car and that. And I I bought like a stack of kits because I was just like, I had no idea these existed, and that was it. I was done at that point, and I just I started buying kits, and then I'm like, Well, I guess I better start building. So then I started asking my brother and my dad, all right, what do I need? I bought myself a desk, I bought myself all this stuff, and then I started watching YouTube videos. That's how I found you guys, and then you know, I started making YouTube videos because at the time I was making YouTube videos for other things, you know, sim racing stuff, and I was like, I'm kind of bored with that, I'll start doing this. Yeah, I started meeting a bunch of great people, and I was like, I think I'm having fun doing this instead. And now here we are, where I have way too many models, not enough time, and I'm doing real car stuff because I was like, I've got a bunch of models, I might as well get a bunch of real cars too, because I'm a flipping idiot, and now I like during now. I sit here and I like mod real cars and I build models, and I'm like, because that's not enough to do, right?
SPEAKER_04Wow. I I love the fact that you had to go buy a desk, right? You know, how unprepared were you to start building? I need a desk, I'm just gonna sit here on the floor and glue them all together on the floor, right?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, my my desk was not an appropriate size to try and build models, it was not happening.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, let me just tell you that you fit in with the rest of us with the having way too many models and not enough time because you're doing other things. Because trust me, welcome to the club. Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
SPEAKER_04This isn't a digital background, this is my health, right? Right, yeah. It's my health. Yeah, uh, yeah, yeah. I uh customers come like, well, how many models do you have? I'm like, I don't I don't fucking know, don't ask me.
SPEAKER_10No, I made the mistake of making an Excel or uh a uh what's the Google spreadsheets equivalent of an Excel sheet. Anyway, I made a list called Google Sheets, yeah. Thank you.
SPEAKER_04You're welcome.
SPEAKER_10I walked right into that. Uh and yeah, so I've got it in there because I can't decide what I'm gonna build next. So I literally like have it choose at random what I'm gonna build next because I'm like I analysis paralysis, that's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_04So you have the computer choose for you?
SPEAKER_10Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04Oh, now I see the issue.
SPEAKER_10Okay, exactly. I can't, I can't because everything I grab, I don't have multiple of one kit.
SPEAKER_14Right.
SPEAKER_10I I think I have five kits that I might have more than like duplicates. Yeah, everything else is like I just have one of everything. Yeah, me too. Me too. So because I want I have an idea, or either I'm building a replica if it's a race car or something, or maybe I have like a different decal sheet or whatever. But I have an idea for all these, so I can't decide. And I'm just like, Well, I'm gonna let this thing decide because I can't, and then I'm like, okay, I'm building that next.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I I can I can just see my mind's eye right now. You let the spinner go and it picks one, you're like, no, that's stupid. Stupid computer. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_13Yeah, well, that's not sticky, it's stuck to my finger. Let me do it again.
SPEAKER_10I think it's got it out for me. Let's roll.
SPEAKER_14Right. Yeah, I can tell you that um you should, in my opinion, and this goes for everybody in here. If you have your stash in the same room that you build in, move it. Because what what happens for me is I'll be sitting here. Oh, I don't know. Say this almost never happens, but say I've got a model I don't want to decal. I'm looking at the thing going, yeah, I really don't want to decal that. Oh, but look at that. Because I reach over, I can reach my stash from here, and I'm like, oh, I'd like to build that. And before you know it, I have four kits going.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that never happens, Jason. Just like last Sunday, and that's the only that's the only time it happens.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Never happens.
SPEAKER_10I do not have my stash in here, so we're I'm good on that. You're good. The only thing I have is what's lined up in the queue, and that's that's it. The rest of my stash is in a completely different room.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, I I have three Q stacks. I was gonna say, yeah, right here.
SPEAKER_10That's not that's not those aren't Q stacks, that's a bad plan, right?
SPEAKER_04You just concludes our interview with Billy. Thank you.
SPEAKER_12You just gotta take a you just gotta take a page out of my good friend Justin Ryan's book and get involved in more group builds. Group builds, group builds builds, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Group builds for the W. Yeah, that's right. We all know how I went with group builds, so yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I used to be captain group build back in the day, and now uh now I'm like, do I have to buy a kit? No, okay, I'm in.
SPEAKER_14Say, which reminds me the Billy built a model for one of my group builds, and the thing was beautiful. Thing was beautiful. What inspired you to build that?
SPEAKER_10Uh because it was really yeah, I wanted to just try something completely out of left field, and it it was so far out of left field it was in the parking lot. Yeah, part of it was I there was a stack in the the sheet that it picked from, yeah. And I was like, what's the most unique out of the stack that it that it chose? And I'm like, I gotta try and build that. And I'm like, so what would I do if the here we go, if this was my car IRL, what would I do with this car? Yeah like how would I see this rolling down the street? And I'm like, you know what? I would try to do is this car. So if anybody had ever seen it, I can I need to post pictures of this thing again.
SPEAKER_14I can catch us up real quick. So it's coming up next week, Justin. My street machine group build starts. There's another group build you can jump in.
SPEAKER_10Billy decided to for a street machine group build, he built a it's a 1995 or 1990, whatever Honda SMX. Uh, there might be some other I'd have to look it up, but there might be some other uh low down. That's what it is. So it's like this version, and it's a little tiny van-ish looking thing. So people mistake it for a Scion XB. Yes, but that's not what it is. It's a JDM market only car. And this thing was made so that you could fold all the back seats down and actually sleep in it. It was made for the younger crowd to to do things, almost like the Honda element in the van down by the river. It literally has that JDM flair to it.
SPEAKER_14Like it's got yeah, it's it's basically a JDM minivan.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's it's I don't know how else to describe it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the Hunted Element was their version of the Pontiac Aztec, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so the time period that that came out was during some of the heyday of the Japanese touring car stuff. So when if you're familiar with the Tamiya kits, they had like the Honda Accord and stuff like that. And I was like, Well, if I was trying to build this as a real car, if I owned this thing, I would take the flavors of the Honda Accord and put it to put it to this thing. So I like shaved door handles, I actually shaved the bumper a little bit, I put period correct wheels from what the Honda Accord ran in the JGTC and put it on the SMX, dropped it, cambered, you know, did all this stuff to it, and then but I kept the I got rid of the black stripe that would have gone around it for the plastic kind of bumper look, and just did this tried to kind of mirror the OEM orange paint job, but make it a little deeper. And I actually rattle canned that thing with seven different colors layers, and you would never know because I was so light, but I I tested different ways of doing it first to see how it would react if I could change the hues of the orange that I was getting. I ended up like using like a clear orange and then a different and then a metallic, and then I put a like in the clear, I put like a little bit of pearl, did like a pearl clear and then a clear over it. And people couldn't when I was done, people couldn't believe I rattle canned the thing. They thought I airbrushed them. Like, no, I rattle canned it because I wasn't I wasn't laying on right.
SPEAKER_04And the car didn't weigh the car didn't weigh 12 pounds.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, they did, you know, I didn't lose any of the detail or anything like that. I was being very careful with how I was putting, you know, there was a little bit of copper in it and stuff, and it was just slightly changing the end result of what that color was. And I don't know, it ended up for my third model being built, third, fourth, I think it was the third one. Um, I was really happy with that. You know, there's flaws in it, like I I made some mistakes, but. But for the most part, like I put some 3D printed steering wheel and the seats, and I made some color choices in the interior that would like this almost turquoise like interior that would kind of help offset the orange and stuff like that. So yeah, it yeah, you know, I got the like best best paint at the Autorama.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, so I was gonna say it's been well received at shows too.
SPEAKER_10It has yeah, yeah, yeah. It it I got uh I got pretty fortunate with that one.
SPEAKER_04I think when we were overvisiting, it still wasn't done yet.
SPEAKER_10I don't remember. You know, no, I think by that point it it might have been done, or I just finished it. I don't know. I can't remember. That's that was that was a while ago.
SPEAKER_04It was it's like January of 2024 or something like that. Yeah, it was for your third or fourth time out of the gate. That's a hell of an ambitious type of project.
SPEAKER_10I was fairly confident with my skill in rattle can. I was deathly afraid of using an airbrush at that point. So I I was I just tried to I did a lot of test shots to kind of get the technique of what I was trying to accomplish. And then listening. And again, YouTube accelerated the process for me. So getting to watch you guys and and all that, I got to learn how to properly polish and and get what steps to take for when I was putting down my primer and how far to take things, and yeah, when I was spraying my clear, like how far do I go, and and all that, like I said, I learned a few things that I took forward from that about sending your freaking metallic, like oops, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I made a mistake there, so had to recover from that one. But yeah, overall, like it was intimidating, but my dad, my dad's been building forever. He's just like, it's just plastic, yeah, it's just plastic. Just plastic. That's all he kept. Yeah, he just kept saying it's just plastic, you can fix it, it's just plastic. I was like, Okay, here we go. Exactly. Threw it on. I was like, okay, a little little nerve-wracking.
SPEAKER_04It's just plastic, it's not precious. It's only a rare kit that only costs $150. It's cool, yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, dive in, head plastic. Well, you know, and you're I think we get caught up in the time we've invested putting that down, yeah, and just going like, oh my gosh, all the time I've put into this, and I have to start over. And it does get demoralizing and it can defeat you. I think just like when I did the cho uh the cobra, I almost said the chobra. The cobra chopper. That's what I felt like when I was doing it.
SPEAKER_08The chobra. The chobra copper. Yeah, exactly. Good lord. Get to the copper.
SPEAKER_10How I people are gonna feel like after this interview, uh podcasting.
SPEAKER_14It's cool to hear you say that the JTC stuff, which is real car stuff, heavily inspired you to build it the way you built it, right? So that ties into what we're talking about here. Your knowledge and your passion for the real car stuff comes out in your models more than for me, more than like 90% of the time. And I almost never build something straight out of the box.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying a word, I've been guilty of that for too long.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I kind of look at each kit that I build, and I haven't built that many. Again, I'm not, I just don't build. I've learned that I don't build quick, and I'm not happy when I try to do that. I've tried and it doesn't do me any favors because I end up making mistakes and I don't like if I make a mistake I already make mistakes to begin with, and then I make more mistakes when I try to rush something. So that really upsets me because those were unnecessary mistakes, unforced errors, if you will. So looking at how I approach something, I have a few ways of doing it. When I built, there was uh there was a Porsche group build, and when I did that car, I'm kind of like an OEM plus kind of person. That's how I approached doing my car's IRL. I don't tend to make my cars super outlandish. Hey, I live in California, so there's not a whole lot I can do engine-wise. Well, if I look at a model car, it's kind of the same thing. I could, the car doesn't actually move. So I can pretend, but I don't have a problem building a car with an engine or without an engine. I take the subject as it is. So at that point, I'm like, what is my goal? What am I trying to accomplish here? I'm a very aesthetics driven person. That's the main thing that I'm looking at. It's the same when I'm building a car IRL. I'm very aesthetics driven. You can change the look of a car, wheels, uh stance, and paint makes a huge difference in your perception. And one thing that I've noticed is when something sits on the table, dark wheels don't do very well.
SPEAKER_04Interesting.
SPEAKER_10They just they just don't. Dark wheels, you lose the definition for me, you lose the definition of what's happening with the wheel. My Honda, that orange Honda that I did, I painted them a dark gun metal gray. And when the lighting isn't very good, you lose the wheel. It looks like a black hole is happening on the car, which I don't like. And I kind of went, okay, I'm gonna remember that. I'm gonna have to paint a slightly lighter shade if I go with a gunmetal, or I'm gonna have to do something. Something I also do now is I cut out white plastic to go underneath each car. Because sometimes when the lighting isn't very good and the table is dark, sometimes that white helps reflect back up onto the car.
SPEAKER_04So you have a piece of white plastic hard underneath the car.
SPEAKER_10And that way, if the car ever needs to be moved as well, you can just grab the the plastic piece and move the car. So if somebody needs to just slide the car over, they're not grabbing the car the car, they're grabbing the plastic piece and just sliding it over instead of grabbing the car itself.
SPEAKER_14That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_10And it helps reflect light back up onto the car.
SPEAKER_14Okay.
SPEAKER_10So I think about those things now because I've seen it also. What do the guys do at Autoramas and automotive shows? They typically have something underneath the car. I don't need a rotating display, I don't need a mirror underneath my car, and I don't need lights or anything like that because those are not the type of paint jobs that I'm doing, at least yet. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that. I'm just saying that's not where I'm at yet. But what I am saying is I notice these things sitting on the table in the first couple shows I went to, especially with that orange car, I was like, hmm, I notice that in certain settings my car is getting lost in the mix. Just what I see. So, like, I'm like, how do I, if this was a real car show, what do they do at real like actual car shows? Well, when those guys pour a lot of money into those cars, what are they doing? Well, they've got displays, they're doing something not only to set themselves apart, but to make the car look as good as they can. And I'm like, I'm noticing like I don't really care for like a dark wheel, and I don't care for this. Is just a personal thing. I call them uh like a a straight or like a how would I put this non-metallic or non-pearl paint job. They look fine, yeah. Thank you. Solid is the word I was looking for. Thank you. They look fine, they can look very nice, but it misses the lines and the curves and the highlights in the car. There's no character, you not know, but you lose a lot of the character lines. Yes, thank you. You lose a lot of that, and I noticed like with my orange car, man, it just explodes. Like you can see everything on that car that that car is doing. Same thing with my white Porsche that I added just a light layer of pearl in that clear pearl, and then I did my clear coat on. I didn't put that in the white, I sprayed the white, and then did that over the the clear with the pearl in it over the top of it, and it just helped that thing come alive. I actually now did it in reverse. I had to repaint my GTR. I did the same thing, I painted that the OEM color, the cloud white, and then in the clear, I had them put a light ice pearl in it, and that car explodes in the right in the right lighting. It's not overbearing. And when you put that car next to another R33 in cloud white, it looks completely different because that car looked flat before you you added that pearl in there.
SPEAKER_13So I can tell you that um basically you just created a tricoat white paint job.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_13That's um 26 years in collision repair, a lot of it spent painting cars. So um, you actually cannot, I mean, you can put the pearl in the white, but the white pigment is so dense that it'll just eat it up, you'll just waste right waste money putting the pigment in that white pearl. Correct. Um, so but yeah, I mean it's that's it's it's a way to augment the body lines of your car, like doing a scale model. The white, the the solid colors, they just you've got a a clump of plastic in front of you, you know what I mean? So you need to to accentuate those lines.
SPEAKER_04Whites whites and yellows just yeah, just eat up the car.
SPEAKER_13Like Italian red, like on a Ferrari or something, that can too.
SPEAKER_10I just think with these smaller scales as well that we're dealing in, primarily, you know, 24th and 25th scale, I think it it even is more prevalent, like that really shows or doesn't show with a solid color, like it just flattens the car. It again, this is just my perception. It's not that it can't look good, it's just my perception is that when I look at the table and I see one of those, I'm like, it looks really nice, but can you imagine the character lines that you would see if this just had just a little, just just a very light little bit of some sort of metallic or some sort of pearl or something to help that come alive.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_10Because it just, you know, I it doesn't need to be heavy, just a little bit. So that's what, unless I'm doing a race car that doesn't have that, and there's part of me that still wants to add that, and it would not be correct, but there's part of me that wants to add that just because some of the race cars are so beautiful with their character lines and stuff that I I it I fight the urge now, like this Toyota that I'm doing is white, and I'm fighting the urge just to add it in there because this car definitely did not have anything like that. Yeah, but I've kind of gone back and forth and learned a some of these things from going to cars and coffee and car shows now, uh, that I've dated my cars and stuff, and I've been getting invited to show my cars, and I get to talk to some painters and stuff, and taking little bits of information from them, getting apply getting to apply it to what I do here, and I just kind of keep going back and forth. I learned something over here, I apply it to my big car. I learned something over here, and I apply it to my car, you know, when I'm building on the bench. It's been pretty satisfying.
SPEAKER_13I have an idea for you to give a shot, maybe not necessarily on this race car body, but um, in the figure painting world, we don't use white or black unless it's the deepest of deep shadows or the brightest of highlights. Um, see if you can figure out a way to modulate your white, you know, make it just a little bit darker, not gray, you know, almost maybe like a dectan mix into your white and put it under where body shadows would be, you know, under body lines, just you know, like a dusting of from your airbrush, mask off a body line and hit below the body line with a white with the dectan to give that, you know, to fool the eye into having depth. Oh, that would be absolutely something worth giving a shot. Not a crazy color that would perceptibly, you know, like, oh look, he put red in there to give it it slightly pink now, but like something like a dectan or a buff, just a few drops in your white that would change it just a little bit and modulate and and kind of like highlight where the shadows would be and leave the upper surfaces that pure white, kind of like you know, play with play with that and and fool the eye that way.
SPEAKER_04A very interesting idea, actually.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, because you're effectively, I think what you're going after is when I see the figure painting stuff, they're effectively creating their own shadow, not just from the lighting itself. Because again, correct everything's so scaled down, you're kind of losing from a natural lighting perspective, you're losing the actual shadow. So now you're creating what in our brain we would normally perceive to be a shadow.
SPEAKER_13Exactly. You basically you pick your light source and you create the shadows to match that light source.
SPEAKER_09Okay.
SPEAKER_13So try something like that, you know, on the car body, as if it was sitting midday sun. So, you know, grab a body line and and dust a little dectan in there to see if it if you if you can get that same effect as a figure painter would.
SPEAKER_10That's a really interesting idea. I think I would I'll just grab next time I go to a show. I think I'll just grab a couple bodies and just even give it just absolutely.
SPEAKER_04There you go. There you go.
SPEAKER_13And that's the great thing about the airbrush, you can over-thin the paint so that you could put three coats on there and it doesn't even show up. You know what I mean? So that's a way that you can bring that depth without adding metallic or pearl.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, that's a good idea. I didn't think about it that way.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, you hear here first, put three thin coats on there so it doesn't show up.
SPEAKER_10All that work if you can't see it. That's right. It goes back to the wheels from before.
SPEAKER_13But that's so that's the thing. For a while, I got I was into amateur photography, and one of the people that I followed was Rick Sam. He's a uh Canon photographer, and he said that uh when talking about post-processing, if you can see the effect, it did it too heavy. So you don't want to know, you don't want people to look at it and go, Oh, yeah, you did that effect. You want them to go, huh? What is it about this car that is freaking amazing? That's that's your target.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's essentially like what you're doing when you make modifications to a car. So, like my brother did a Rommel's rod, but he modified it. But he modified it in a way where if you weren't really familiar with the kit, you wouldn't really know what he did. It's the same premise as doing something like that. Just with paint and color. Yeah, that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_04Some of the best mods when you have two like kits sitting next to each other and you go, Wait, this one's different than that one, but he didn't do much to it. Why what did he do? Why does it look better? Why does it look better?
SPEAKER_08Why is it better than mine?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, oh, his is just in focus. That's why I can tell you from personal experience that uh the color of the tablecloth at the shows makes a big difference because uh we did a uh a car expo, model car expo at the store, and they have blue, you know, that's their signature color, they have blue tablecloths, and I totally didn't even think about this, but I packed up a bunch of models and took them down there. Three of the models I brought had uh Tamiya blue paint jobs on them, and I set them down on the tablecloth and they freaking disappeared. It's just a set of wheels.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, right. This is why I started doing the white plastic underneath them because we actually went to a show that had black, well, black with black tires and stuff, or if you have a dark car, yeah, yeah, it's gone.
SPEAKER_14I was gonna say we have a couple of shows up here that use black tablecloths, and that that white plastic thing that that's a good idea. I might have to try that actually.
SPEAKER_13In the figure world, we actually uh will we'll have black velvet that we will put our displays on so that oh wow, you see the vivid colors or you know, like you're you are literally focused on the model itself rather than you know your eye being distracted with it just being on the table. So it makes it kind of funny how that's the opposite of what you're thinking.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, well, and I understood why they were using the black tablecloths because I think a lot of the other styles of modeling, when you looked at the kits or the models on the table, they looked really nice, but when you got to automotive, the majority of the stuff in automotive started to wash out, and you would think that well, these cars are typically on asphalt, you know, or something like that. It did this should look like it goes, but it doesn't.
SPEAKER_13You lose well, you're you're talking scale again, you know.
SPEAKER_10Yes, it's kind of the I'm gonna ruffle people's feathers feathers with this one. It's kind of like talking, it's kind of like talking orange, the the orange peel, the slight, the the slight uh texture yeah, the texture that happens from a dealership when they paint. I don't subscribe to that one because the scale of it would you would never see it the same way. And I still say a shiny paint job would happen because when you scale uh something like that down, you would lose all that texture and it would be so almost imperceptible, and you would so then you would still get almost a shiny paint job. You can argue how shiny of a paint job, but uh it wouldn't be that uh dull, in my opinion, because of the texture, right?
SPEAKER_04But I still think there's a scale shine though.
SPEAKER_10There is, I just don't think it's the spread is quite as wide as people think it is. Because again, again, I think what you're doing is you're trying to match a one-to-one finish of something that is the way it is because of a the tech, and b because of uh how that texture is happening. If you start scaling that down, you start losing that texture, so your shine is going to start changing. And two, it's an aesthetics thing. I'm looking at it this, you know, a small size on a table. Did you do that on purpose or did you just not paint it well?
SPEAKER_13Right. That's that's I'm just saying vain as metallics. If one to one scale cars were painted and the the flake in the one-to-one cars was the same scale as the flake that entered a lot of the 125th stuff, those flakes would be the size of dinner plates.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_13You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10Like they'd be it would be decoupage rather than spray painting. You can do it however you want. I'm not saying I'm not saying it doesn't work good.
SPEAKER_13I'm just saying, yeah, you're gonna start talking scale shit.
SPEAKER_10I've gotten into these discussions with somebody saying you're you know, this car is too shiny or this, yeah. I agree. There is a point where a car can be too shiny, like it looks like it has a hard shell to it, it looks like it's been dipped. I think we can have that discussion too. But I also think the other is also true, where it becomes I understand this car is an older car. I don't know. That it is this uh do you really think it was this way? I it just kind of doesn't look good. Like if you're going to make you have to go, in my opinion, if you have to go further, don't go in between, like make it a concerted effort to make the paint job look like a flat or semi-gloss, like really make it look like that, because then it looks like you did that on purpose. When you kind of start treading this weird in-between area, it the eye has a very again, my opinion, the eye has a very hard time discerning between this just kind of doesn't look good to me. That's kind of where I think things land on those styles of paint jobs.
SPEAKER_13Every now and again, happy accidents happen, but you have to rely more on making it intentional. Bottom line.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's the whole that's the whole thing about model building, is it's all about intention, right? You use everything you do is supposed to be intentional. I painted it this way, I use this color. I happy accidents do happen, but in my my opinion, it's like everything was a choice being made. Whether or not it was a good choice or a bad choice, that's up for debate. But at the end of the day, some of us just wanted to get something fucking done.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, and you're making mistakes, right? You're you you make mistakes as you're building a model, and part of building a model, whether you're scratch building or building it right out of the box, is recovering from those mistakes and pivoting and being like, ah crap, let me let me fix that or let me pivot. That's not that color or that thing isn't going to work. Let me pivot and make this better or make a make a decision that is going to fix the untimely mistake that I just made. Completely different. Topic or argument, whatever you want to say. I just sometimes I think people get too worried about, I don't know if it's a rivet count argument. It's just I just worry about making a nice paint job.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_10Just make a nice paint job, whether it's a flat, whether it's weathered, rusted, however, you're going to do it, just make the paint job that you're trying to make look nice.
SPEAKER_04Well, I mean, especially especially if you're just starting out, a lot of what you're doing is just trying to get the paint out of the airbrush, you know, in the right direction.
SPEAKER_13Not in your face.
SPEAKER_04Not in your face, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Not all over your hands.
SPEAKER_04Right. Not spraying to the left or something like that. But uh you just you're just trying to get the paint on the model, and then you're like, okay, I'll figure out how to make it glossy later, but right now I just want to make sure I get it out of the damn airbrush. And then that process comes along later on, and then you can then you start getting clever and like, well, I don't want this one to be glossy, I want this one to be have a flat patina type of thing. Okay, great. You know, then then you start working with that.
SPEAKER_10And I think don't get fancy. Follow the basics. If you're starting out, or if you've been struggling with painting a body or with just getting paint on a model, start with your basic things, don't listen to 75 people and then take all that information and try 75 things at once. Start with the consensus. All right, I've I can see the results that this person gets, and they've clearly explained how they're doing it. Don't take somebody's advice that either doesn't show you their results or that doesn't explain it in a concise and clear way what they're doing.
SPEAKER_13You're saying 30 years ain't never had a problem isn't a good enough answer for you.
SPEAKER_10Uh oh my I always let people know look, there's many different ways to do this. This is just how I've done it, and I I lay it out step by step how I'm doing it. So if you're trying to get a result that I have achieved, this is exactly how I did it. I am not skipping a step for you. You might think that this is overkill, or maybe you don't think I'm doing enough. That's fine. This is how I got the result. You can go and talk to another person and see how they got their result. And maybe there's steps that we align on that you can take and be like, well, they're both doing these, these steps. So I know that these steps seem to be the common steps that people are doing. So at least I know those steps I'm going to do.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And then as you get experience, you start modifying things because you notice like you're you hold your hand a certain way. You tend to, you know, like to thin things a little bit more or a little bit less. Those develop over time, but if you're constantly moving your parameters back and forth because you talk to one person one time and then you talk to another person another time, you're gonna give up.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_10You're going, you're literally just going to set yourself into a tailspin, especially with painting stuff, and you're gonna get so frustrated, which is not we don't want to see people give up, we want to help people move forward. That's the whole point of doing stuff like this. We want to see people enjoy the hobby, you know. Whenever I'm talking to somebody or I do a video, like I don't do tutorials because I think there are people that do a much better way of doing video tutorials and explaining things than I do, but I am more than happy to explain to somebody how I've done something.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_10You need to listen to those people. I've listened, I've asked questions to look, I've asked questions to Brian, I've asked questions to Jason, you know, Mikey and I have talked. Like, I ask questions all the time, especially when I was learning in the very beginning about how would you do this? How do you do this? Hey, that looks cool. How did you do that? I take that and I put that in the back of my head. So when I come up to something like that, I'm like, well, Brian said he did this. Jason said he did it this way. Okay, I'm gonna try that. And if that didn't work, was that a me thing, or was that just something that didn't work for me? Probably a me thing. I'm gonna try that again next time, but I recognize my mistake.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_10Don't throw that thing out the window and be like, ah, you know, they don't know what they're talking about. No, that was probably a me thing. I can see the result that they got. That's probably me.
SPEAKER_04I've seen so many people do this try this technique, try that technique, try this other technique, and I'm not working out for them. I'm like, well, give it some time. Yeah, you gotta put your own spin on it, you know. Just because they didn't work.
SPEAKER_13Doing it once doesn't mean you got it down.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. It's just like dating.
SPEAKER_13Takes a while. You're right. Thanks for that tip, BG.
SPEAKER_04It does. All right, yeah. I tell you what, let's uh let's take a quick sponsor break here, and we'll be right back after these messages.
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SPEAKER_14Well, so d Jody, you must have something you want to talk to him about. Let's get you involved in the conversation.
SPEAKER_04Yes, please. What do you want to know?
SPEAKER_14Well, I don't I you tell me everything I need to know on an old on a regular basis, which I appreciate. I meant yeah you must have something you want to talk to Billy about.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I mean we uh surely come from very similar backgrounds. You know, I built a lot of really cool cars over the years and all the things that you kind of mentioned, I kind of go at it the same approach, you know. We've had conversations on the podcast about you know dark body, light interior, you know, as you're doing a model and how all that works together, and how same with wheel color. You know, I put stuff on bases all the time. You know, I get a little bit of shit for it, maybe, but you know, when you put something on a base, whether it's reflective or not, it really focuses your attention away from everything else on the table, and it focuses your attention directly on the model. So my paint jobs are not 100% perfect, they're not perfectly flat. My opinion is there's a little bit of peel, you know, they always look the best right out of the gun. If you can get it really flat, they look great. Then we touch it, ruin it, then try to polish it back. But just the refractory of light with a little bit of texture in the paint just looks good, in my opinion. That's usually the way I leave them, you know. I've seen really beautiful paint jobs on one-to-one show cars. We got a big car show here in Vermont every year. And when you sand stuff super flat, it just it just makes it really look dead, in my opinion. It because there's not really a lot of character. So it's nice, it's flat, and it's shiny, but it it's just the depth is just different versus kind of the way I approach them and the way that I paint them. Very similar to what you said, you know. And uh, I like Justin's idea of you know, a lot of great custom car painters, the way they do stuff is they will accentuate highlights, body lines, and things on cars, right, to create that artificial shadow or uh accentuate the line to kind of make it just that much pop that much more. And I think that's lost in scale. I don't think we really do a lot of that. You know, I think it's beneficial to do that because it it will liven a paint job. If you got a good paint job and it sets right, that's the thing that's gonna pull somebody in to make it look closer, and that's where you really need to be conscious of interior color, right? How you detail things. Once you're grabbed by it, it's all the little stuff that people then you know will pick up uh within a model build. Um and similarly in a full-size car, it's no different, you know.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, I mean, like if you're at a uh model car show, you're not gonna notice somebody's spark plug wires from across the room. You're gonna be like, check out stance on that thing. Oh hey, it's got it's got paint on it too. Freaking cool. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Well, I've learned through the podcast and through the Sunday show about Jody's builds. And so one question that kind of comes to mind as we're kind of circling around that is the idea of detail. And do you feel like in certain scales, because I don't think this applies to all scales, because I think when a scale is large enough, the thought process of maybe there can be too much detail, do you feel like at the common scales of what we're doing, 24th, 25th, and maybe even smaller, there do you feel like there is a point where you're you're cluttering up an engine bay, or you are or it let's say like if you're doing a formula car, like a Formula One or a Formula 3000 or something like that, and you pull the entire body off so you can see everything inside all the lines and stuff, unless you are super disciplined with the correct sizing of everything. Do you feel like there's just a point of no return where you you look at it and you get overwhelmed, like your eye doesn't know where to go? Is that is that something for you? Do you feel that way when you look at something?
SPEAKER_12I do, and uh some you know, my approach less is more kind of, you know. I I mean I've had pretty good success at model shows by not overdoing the things that other people do, you know. I mean, I'll do plug wires and things, but a good example that we talk about all the time, you know, with 3D printed carburetors, there's so much detail on those, but adding a return spring is great, but people do not do it in scale, you know. They they use a wire that's way too big and it just looks ridiculous, you know. Uh, one of the things that I use quite a bit is bread ties, you know, strip the the cloth off that. It's a really small wire, but when you think about what a wire or a return spring would be on a carburetor, that probably scales more accurately. And if it's on there, you really almost shouldn't see it. Uh some of that stuff, it just it just is too much, you know. And um, I see work from certain modelers in the community that just add too many different colors, it just gets really too busy, and you know, it it seems to be too much, you know. Where I try to focus on the stance, right? How the wheels fit, how the car sits, surely how the paint looks, but the cohesiveness of everything together is really important to me. And I that's the thing I try to capture. And there's people that can capture that way better than me, you know. My buddy Vinny Labosco over in the Newberg Club. I mean, he'll spend two, three hours just getting wheels to where they sit just perfect. And his stuff is just a league above most people because he has that eye to do that. Now he does add detail, but he also doesn't over-detail it. His stuff is just placed just so right to be impactful. Yeah, and sometimes overdoing it, putting too much stuff just doesn't it just doesn't look good, you know. But again, what do you what are you shooting for? You know, the Civanti I just finished. I was going for like a kind of a kind dig build, you know, and new fancy hut rods don't have you know brake boosters that are out, there's no wiring. I mean, everything is hidden. So and and and removing detail, it's not that I'm trying to be lazy, it's not there purposely because if you look at a high-end car like that, it's not there anyway. So, you know, I add it where I need to add it, and I don't where I don't need to, you know. I know the great Don Yost limited everybody to like two colors or something, right? It's like you don't do more than two or three colors because you don't want things to get too busy. I don't really feel that that's accurate because you you have to accentuate things, and how we do that is color and washes and certain things. So you're not always gonna just build out of those two, three colors, you know. Back to him, Don was great in taking a very minimalist approach and making it just look just so, you know. And it's sad that it's lost now on a lot of people, you know.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, he's giving people a guiding principle on how colors work.
SPEAKER_04Right, right. As a matter of fact, talking about the real car world when we were looking at the new car we wanted to get, we were shopping, you know, we've been doing the build it online type of thing, and I had to follow the two-color principle because I'm like, I like the look of this car in white, and I like the the the bronze wheels on it. And if I did the decal or sticker package that I was kind of wanting, that's a third and fourth color that I were adding to this thing, and now it's busy. You know, uh my eye doesn't know what to look at. Plus, having decals on a real car in Arizona is a very bad idea, but uh that's a whole other story. But yeah, I I I like to I like to subscribe to that two-color philosophy as well, because especially when you're talking about scale stuff, it's just it's like what what is this? What am I looking at?
SPEAKER_12Some some guys are really good. Our our friend local here, Nick uh Arvinides, is really good about scaling heater hoses and radiator hoses and um plug wires, right? Vacuum lines on a car, the return spring on the carburetor, everything is a different scale. You don't just go buy one roll of wire and throw that on everything. Yeah, it just looks like shit. You know, it's like you kind of miss the point of what it is you're trying to do. Again, I don't really do that, you know. I try to stick to a script and it's taken from the full size one-to-one world, and that really is the guiding thing that's me to the stuff that I build, you know. Some of its pictures, things I've seen, but just principles and philosophies and thoughts of how I would do it, just the way I do it, and that's that's what it is, you know.
SPEAKER_04You're speaking about uh scale springs and stuff like that. I was just thinking about when I used to work in the parts warehouse for an automotive company, and they had packets of dorman, you know, dorman parts, and they had this one packet of carburetor return springs, and there must have been like seven different sizes of springs in this thing. Yeah. So it's a it's a good point, you know. It's like it's like your Chevy pickup truck's gonna have a different size spring than your than your Nissan uh you know 1985 Nissan.
SPEAKER_13So you also have to take into account though, and this can come up with with some conjecture, but you also have to kind of think of scale distances as well. So what are you really going to see at a scale distance? So we'll say 125th scale, one foot equals 25 feet, right? Right, super rough math, because I'm not a math guy, but at 25 feet, are you really going to be able to see that return spring? No, no, you know what I mean. So what you're showing off by making that return spring is the skill that you made a return spring. Because no matter what you do, you're probably not going to be in scale making that return spring. Because that return spring, what what is it three inches long? You know what I mean? And you're not going to see individual coils of a spring there. You know, you it's not it's not going to be right, but what you want to do is give the give the hint of you're better off to leave it off.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, if you do certain details, like plug wires, um, a very well-known, established, publicly recognized model builder once told me at a show if leave it off, do the stuff that you can see, your eye can see, and your brain will be fooled into it'll fill everything else up. Yep, that everything else is there, especially if you would never be able to see it at that scale, anyway. So don't use a straight piece of wire for whatever, just leave it off, it's gonna be better.
SPEAKER_12I mean, a 3D printed carb, the detail on those today, there's so much there that you don't really need to add it. Right because again, your mind will trick you into thinking that it's there, you know. Exactly. If you've got nicely laid out, all you gotta do is print at it. Yeah, I mean, if you've got a nice detailed carb, nice you know, routing of uh plug wires, good radiator hoses, maybe um heater hoses, if it you know begs it to put on it, all the other stuff just becomes you know, the problem is people think you need to put it on, it's out of scale, it just looks shitty.
SPEAKER_10You know, I've literally sanded things off because it doesn't work well and nobody noticed because it it you forgot that it was there because if I would have left it there, it it looks terrible. So I was just like off you come because it didn't look good.
SPEAKER_04I find myself sanding a lot of firewalls nowadays, getting all that yes, pre-molded wiring and stuff back there off the back of that because I'm like, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_10It doesn't it doesn't look good. You're better off not having it. That's half the time, that's why I shave the door handles because the door handles they don't look so great. I shave them, fill them back in, and I'm like, I don't nah, it don't look so good.
SPEAKER_12The other side of the coin to that, just real quick, is the car that Clay Kent built, the one where the body's cut in half. That thing is fucking amazing because everything that's there, though it's busy, it's deep, it's scaled properly, it need it's supposed to be there. That thing is just mind-blowing to look at that, you know.
SPEAKER_14But he's he's got the knack, he has the natural talent to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_10There's always exceptions to rules, right?
SPEAKER_12So he does, and that that would be one for us out here.
SPEAKER_10Mike English is another guy that is amazing, does the same thing.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, it's just thing things are there, they're scaled properly. You know, again, you know, don't put a return spring on if you're gonna use a uh a wound up uh fucking paper clip, it just doesn't look right, you know. Don't just don't do it.
SPEAKER_04No, you know, I will say, I will say this that I really try to blow my return spring game out of the water to take away the fact that I don't have a lower radiator hose. But there you go. Overcompensating, I I get it. Yeah. Look at don't look at this over here. Don't look down there, don't look down there, look at this over here.
SPEAKER_10I think this is why at like model shows sometimes it kind of bothers me where the large scales end up getting put in if these are judged, yeah, where large scales end up getting put in with the smaller scales. So when you got 12 scale or or whatever getting put in with 24th or 25th scale, it's like, well, it's not that it's easy, it's just your detail work becomes a different level, yeah, yeah, with the large scale stuff versus the smaller scale stuff.
SPEAKER_12So then it's like well becomes more of a necessity to do it at that scale. Yeah, I think it's just easier to do it because it the palette is bigger. I think there's more stuff within within that scale is really nice to be able to do that. It's almost like you if you're gonna build that scale, you like have to do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10If you're relying on judges at that point, you have to have a judge that really understands the difference between the two. And quite often I don't feel like at least a portion of the shows that I've been to, they don't seem to quite understand that delineation. And it's usually large-scale wins. And you're just like, Well, that's cute.
SPEAKER_14Right. Yeah, I have a so I I actually I don't like to judge. I I've tried it, I should probably do it more often. But there was an occasion where I did judge at a car only model show, and a perfect example, there were two cars. On the table, and I was trying to figure out which one was going to be coming, coming in first place, second place, third place with this other guy that had no clue what was going on. And he said to me, Well, how come you're not considering this car? Because it's got like all kinds of detail. He it looked like, and I think I've said it in the past, it looked like he shot a confetti cannon at the thing, right? There was like yellow and green and red and pink wires and like all this stuff. He's like, This guy, like this car over here, you want this car to be first place, but what about this car? This car, and I'm like, Well, look at the plug boots on that car, the plug wire boots. If you were looking at a real car, they'd be eight inches tall. I mean, it's not in scale, it's not you can't just throw a bunch of stuff at a car and say, I added everything that I could, why doesn't it win? Because it's got to be good, right? And that's what he was talking about with like yes, with Clay Kemp. He can do it. There are there are a very few people right can do it actually.
SPEAKER_12It's it's one of the areas where I want to challenge myself to do better at. You know, I built that um Masmanian Barracuda funny car, and you know, that's got a fully wired and plumbed engine, you know, and I think it gets overlooked because again, it seems to be more accurate to scale than putting a big old line in there that's really obvious to people, you know.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_12That turned out really good. That's one of the areas where I would like to do better. Um, on your street machine group build coming up, the car that I'm gonna do, my hope is to do a really highly detailed engine bay on that, you know. Yeah, um, our friends that do the highly detailed NASCAR stuff, Clay, you know, Mark Betts and Jay Savarese. I mean, those guys just do a great job. And I'd love to do all that stuff. One, I don't know where I would begin to source the parts to do that. And uh, you know, I'm still a fat-fingered guy over here that just fucks up glue regularly, you know. Oh, yeah. And those are the things that keep me away from doing this stuff, you know, because I'm like, it's going good now, you know. But I I know it's gonna go downhill from this point forward.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, oh yeah, exactly. It's yeah, it's tough. It's tough to have the the you can do all the research in the world. I'm in the same boat as you, Jody. I do you know how I build stuff. Limited engine detail, but what I try to what I do, I try to make it look good. You're because I know if I'm gonna get a scaled fuel line, the correct scaled fuel line, and I'm gonna put it in there. The the fuel line might look okay, but the global glue that in real life scale would be this big at the end of it would just be the size of a turkey. Exactly. Yeah, so yes.
SPEAKER_13I get I get it. Yeah, like oh he must have used JB Weld to hold his engine together.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I had to judge this past show that you know we just did, and you have to have those basics to begin with, where you're disqualifiers, you know, alignment, you know, are the it wind, you know, is there dust on the model?
SPEAKER_06Ugh, that's a hard you know.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, you're just like, I gotta oh man, I gotta disqualify, get this one out of here because there's dust on the model. Is is your alignment good? Are you three-wheeling? Are you do you have it sitting on something that might trying as much as I don't like doing this, but are you is it sitting on something that is trying to hide it from not three-wheeling, but it it could be three-wheeling, right? And as a judge, you're trying to you you immediately eliminate models quickly because of that, because you have so many to look at, and then you get it.
SPEAKER_13If that gives you agenda, don't ever judge an armor group.
SPEAKER_10Oh god, yeah. I last year I got roped into judging armor, and I wanted I just wanted to push myself off a cliff because I just I don't know how you guys do this because I was getting educated, you know. Getting to that point real quick, okay, that's one, this one, this one. Then you have your group left that you know, these are nice, competent, really good builds, and then you get down to what Jason's talking about, where well they've got this, but it's too much of that, too much of this, and in one way it kind of sucks because the the human part of me says, Man, I feel like I'm telling these people like their builds kind of suck, but they don't.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_10But the other part is we're doing a one, two, three show. I have to pick first, second, and third here. So here we go. And all right, nope, this isn't as good as that. We we get down to one, two, three. Okay, what's my one? What's my two? What's my three? And you start. I mean, we got to the point where we were just nitpicking the smallest things that I would never ever tell the builder, like I would never sit there and tell them that sucks. Like you you did that real bad, you know. It's just you have to find something, you have to find this.
SPEAKER_13Is steel. Why did you use aluminum? Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_10You know, you're just finding these little things that you would never ever tell them, you wouldn't even think of.
SPEAKER_04Happened to John Zweber, he it was uh IPMS Nationals, uh, when we were in Vegas, so it was like 2020 or something like that. And there were there were the one of the judges was telling me there was two cars left in the automotive uh race department, you know, uh circuit department, whatever it was. And they're like, We were agonizing back and forth, back and forth. They were both pristine, beautiful builds. And they're like, Finally, it came down to the advertisement banner across the top of the uh windshield wasn't glossy, and it should have been something like that. And then the judge told me we were we they battled it out. They're look, they even took they even looked at the bottom of the cars to see if there was something underneath there that could disqualify one over the other, couldn't find anything. Finally, it was just you know, okay, this guy gets first place, this guy, and then they look at the who built it, they go, Oh god, it's the same guy. Oh no, spent all this time trying to just to deliberate on the skim the trophy, yeah. Just give the trophy, but yeah, um, and and I had to laugh because being a judge, I'm like, Jesus, dude. I I I would I've I've been there, I've been there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Hey, hey, this fuel line doesn't look to scale. I don't know, man. I drove the thing over here, so I don't know what the problem is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it smells like fuel, yeah. Well, I I love Corvairs. I grew up working on those things and driving them all and stuff, and they have this really wicked linkage system that comes out of the firewall, goes to one carb, and it goes over the top of the fan and then to the other side. And if you have the four carb setup, then that's double the linkage and stuff. And I'm like, I'll be damned if I'm gonna actually recreate that in 25th scale because I didn't want to deal with it in real life, yeah, you know. Yeah, and one-to-one, yeah, one to one, yeah. And and on one of my cars, I couldn't I couldn't find a part I needed in order to connect everything together. I dug into the erector set and pulled out a couple pieces of a rector set and actually finished off the uh carburetor linkage, and I sold the car like that to this guy. And like two months later, he calls me up, he goes, Hey, um, is there a rector set pieces on this car? I'm like, There sure as hell is.
SPEAKER_11You're like, Congratulations. You found them.
SPEAKER_04You run you won a no prize, you win nothing. Yeah, cool.
SPEAKER_13Numbers matching your rector set.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of no prizes, I see the lava lamps going in the background. You know it's gonna be a good episode. That's whatever.
SPEAKER_06There it is.
SPEAKER_04Well, Billy, thank you so much for sharing your opinions on on all that stuff and giving us some background from your racing history and such. Looking towards the future, what sort of kits are you wanting to try and dig into? More of those JDMs that you have stashed away, or is there anything else that's on the horizon you want to get your hands on?
SPEAKER_10I'm all over the place. I just I have in the let's see, into the to-do pile, I have after the Toyota, I have as a joke, my dad bought me the old Batmobile. What which is that? The polar lights one with the figures in it.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_10That that that's got to get built before the end of the year. So that's the next one in the queue.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, was that the Christmas present one?
SPEAKER_10Yes, that's the Christmas. So that's yeah, okay. Two Christmases ago, we decided to my brother, my dad, and I decided to buy each other kits. One had to be finished by last Christmas, and one has to be finished by this Christmas, and they were kits that were not something that we would normally pick for ourselves. It was kind of to push each other outside of our comfort zones. That's how I ended up building the cobra chopper. My brother bought me that one, and then my dad bought me the Batmobile. That's how I felt about that. So, yeah, so I'm building the Batmobile. Hopefully, that one won't give me quite the problem that the Cobra Chopper did, and so that'll get done. And then after that, I think I want to do a buddy build with Rattle Can shenanigans. Oh, nice Mr. Ted with this 72 Chevrolet Corvette street machine.
SPEAKER_04We have to do that. There's a little bit of history.
SPEAKER_10It's the AMT one.
SPEAKER_04AMT one, okay.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so that's yeah, it's oh, it's a kit. It is a kit of kits. Yes.
SPEAKER_04Is that the one you were telling me about that you saw at a show one time? You're like, check out check out how crappy this kit is, and you oh, dude, it's take a look at like actually, this is a good kit.
SPEAKER_10Yes, actually, no, we we opened it, we thought it was a junky kit, and then we opened it. We're like, wait, this is actually kind of cool. So then Ted went and bought one. So yeah, I think I want to get him into doing cool doing that together. So those are those are on my horizon. Yeah, I'm all over the place. I like all kinds of stuff. I don't go too far past, probably date-wise for the kits, as far as you know, the subject matter. The 60, like okay, early 60s, late 50s. Kind of that's kind of my stopping point.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, no further back than that.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I but the subject matter kind of falls off the edge for me. But other than that, anything closer to me in age, uh, I I'm I'm way into, especially as it gets to 80s, 90s, and 2000s.
SPEAKER_14I was gonna say your real car, the cars you own, like the the IRS you own are the same way, right? You've got a little bit of everything.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I'm all over the place. I own uh so currently I'm restoring, I'm almost done. I've got to do the dash, uh 1986 Fox Body Celine. Nice, and then I have uh 2005 Porsche Carrera that I'm doing stuff too, and then we have which is actually my wife's car, the which is a 2008 Lexus ISF, and then I have the 1995 R33 Skyline GTR, and then my wife also owns a 2023 Jaguar, uh the F type R. Yeah, the Jag. Um, the F Type R.
SPEAKER_04And then Oh, that's how that's pronounced. I always thought it was a Fatar.
SPEAKER_10The Fatur.
SPEAKER_04The Fatur.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. And then I have the Porsche Carrera T, 2025 Porsche Carrera T. Uh so I've our interests are kind of all over the place, and that is reflected in the mountains of kits that I own. I would have the Hellcat? Oh yeah, I still I have the hell of the 2016 Charger Hellcat. Yeah. People laugh at me. That's my daily.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this is drives your car. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. So we're we're all over the map. Um, I would like another probably kind of 70s-ish car IRL to play with.
SPEAKER_14Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Uh, but I I I should probably be good and and finish the projects I have to begin with.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Nah. You're always waiting for parts. You gotta I am.
SPEAKER_10I'm I just now finished figured out the body kit for my O5 Carrera that I'm gonna put on.
SPEAKER_12So that's just for quitters. That's just for quitters not starting something new. Exactly correct.
SPEAKER_04You have no follow-through. At least I'm not a quitter.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Cool. Well, thank you so much for talking with us, Billy. I appreciate that very much. Of course, welcome to hang around while we do some housekeeping here. I tell you what, guys, why don't we go on to a uh another vendor spot and then we'll come back with uh new kit releases and an email. We'll be back in just a moment. What beef love killow? Housekeeping.
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SPEAKER_04Thanks for sticking around. And now it's time for Mikey's big old thumbs up. Well, who you got for us, Mikey?
SPEAKER_02What's going on, everybody? I want to give a big old thumbs up to uh Tim over at Shields Model Car Customs. Tim's a relatively new channel, uh, he's making some pretty cool content. He has a uh model car talk on Mondays and he has a Friday live as well. So I've been haven't had a chance to check it out yet, uh, as far as being on the show live or being there in the chat live, but uh really like what this guy's doing. Um, he does some he does some things that I wouldn't do, but it's really cool to see the what he's putting out. He's a a younger guy. I say he's younger. I mean, I guess he's in his late 20s, early 30s, and he's just uh getting back into the hobby. And uh he's like I said, relatively new, looking at about a thousand subscribers. So we want to give uh Tim over at Shields Model Car Customs a big old thumbs up. Love what you're doing, bud. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much for that.
SPEAKER_12I would like to uh jump uh I want to jump in on this. I actually uh have thought about this, and uh, I'd like to shout out our friend uh Mr. Mike Gordon, Mike's mods and customs. You know, he's got this Corvette project that was stalled forever, and you know, he ascertained some advice from some of us in the podcast here and uh pulled it out, you know. That was a three-year project or something, you know, and it turned out really good. He did a really great job, and he's a big supporter of the podcast and supporter of all of us, and it's noteworthy to mention him this evening because he did he did a fantastic job on that thing. He's a great guy. Yeah, I really really appreciate him. He's a great guy and always gives time to talk. I see him at shows, he's a northeast guy, and uh he did a really good job on that vet. So oh go check out his videos, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right on, yeah. That that vet's been a thorn in his side for quite a while. Or a while, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not no like modified type of thing like for Mikey, but you know.
SPEAKER_02Oh, come on now.
SPEAKER_14It's close though. I actually have somebody I'd like to shout out as well while we're doing this. Please do. Len Geisler. Um some of us have met Len at uh actually most of us met Len at NNL East this past year. Um so he did something really cool for the community. He reached out to me to make sure it was okay with me because he did it on my Facebook group, but um he actually sent out a couple of free model kits to some people this past week that weren't able to participate in the rally cool group build because they didn't have or couldn't get rally cars. So he did a cool little post on the Blue Ox model shop Facebook page and picked a couple of people just randomly out of the comments and sent them model kits. So that is a guy that deserves a shout out, and he's he's got the right idea when it comes to this hobby, let me tell you.
SPEAKER_10Absolutely.
SPEAKER_14That is freaking awesome. You know what?
SPEAKER_10Very nice.
SPEAKER_14I think Lynn deserves a chip. I think I think he does. I am actually going to send him some stuff in the mail. Thank you, Len. Really appreciate what you're doing for everybody out there. Awesome job, Lynn.
SPEAKER_04Okay, cool. Now let's go on to kit releases with Jody.
SPEAKER_12Okay, I got a bunch. I did we missed the lat the last podcast was so busy with our guest that we completely brushed over the stuff that we're gonna do, including kit releases. Yes, some of these, some of these are on my list from last time. Uh got a little bit of everything coming out.
SPEAKER_04Um, my sister's cat had that problem.
SPEAKER_12We got something for everybody. AMT 1977 Chevy Van Dungeons and Dragons edition. Yes, Jason Hanscom. 1 25th, June 2026. That guy's coming out. Awesome. Of course, of course, guys. Of course, Mikey has left us, but they're also coming out with an AMT 1996 Ford Mustang, My Little Pony edition, which would be perfect for Mikey. And he's missing this.
SPEAKER_04I might grab that one. Damn, I'm gonna buy him that. I'm gonna buy him that kit.
SPEAKER_12We we definitely should. That's a 125th snap type. It's kind of cool, you know. It's got water slide decals, and I think it's got just regular vinyl decals, right? Is that a glitter? Grabbing, I'm sure it probably is. Uh trying to grab a different younger audience, and I think that's a good idea. So, yeah, so those are both uh slotted for June 2026. Uh late June 26th, we've got a couple of Tamiya kits, and these are just re-releases of um old stuff, but they got a couple different 124th original Mini Cooper kits coming out. One's kind of more of a stock where one's more of a race. And the one thing I don't have my kit stash is Mini Cooper. So I definitely I gotta definitely pick one of those up.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, I love the uh the Tamiya Mini Cooper kits are awesome.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I choose when you could have both. I I may need to get both. I built that uh, you know, we did the the the buddy build, the uh fiat bars, and I would love to do one of those little Tamiya uh Mini Coopers in a very similar vein.
SPEAKER_08So yeah, maybe little mother.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, though exactly, those are coming out, uh slotted for late June of 26. Nice moving on. Uh Wes's model car corner has a couple of uh dirt late model kits coming out. Of course, again, Mikey's not here. Uh slotted for early June 2026. One of them is a Jensen Ford Racing, and the other is a Benji Hicks racing. Approximately 90 parts in the kits, and they are gonna limit these to 2500 kits per kit. So they're both uh dirt late model kits modified, but they're gonna do only a run of 2500 each. And again, they're Wes's model car corner. So if that's your shtick, they're I'm sure they're probably really nice kits. They they look pretty decent. So yeah. Um that's early June of 26. Those would be coming down the road here pretty quick. Then we've got a few uh July releases. Uh AMT John Wick 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1, and that's a new tooling coming out for that. So my assumption is they probably grab parts and pieces from previous kits, and I don't know what the new tail uh tooling um you know entails. But that's coming out uh July 2026. Um got a great look to it, that kit. So looking forward to seeing that.
SPEAKER_04I love I love the car in the movie.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, yeah, same. Yeah. Um be curious to see how you know what the part count is and how that is. If it is a new tool kit, you know, my assumption is it would have really good detail and all that stuff. So I'd be curious to see uh when that comes out. Uh, Atlantis is continuing on with their uh 116 scale funny cars. You know, we had we had the uh the jungle gym uh mont uh Vega, we had the Green Elephant Vega funny car kit. It came out with a Mickey Thompson Pontiac. funny car kit and they're releasing a uh rich uh guaso pure hell racing funny car which is based off the 72 Plymouth duster and that's gonna be that's gonna be killer so if that's your thing and I know there's some bigger scale guys I've got the um green elephant vega kit I got that when it first came out and I haven't built that yet I don't have the others but this uh this 72 Plymouth duster if you guys have seen it looks really really cool and that's slotted for a July 2026 release I'm a sucker I have all the that that that that that's your thing yeah I don't know I I haven't built that looks they look awesome I just they do yeah that um I'm we'd be curious again to see if there's any um open box reviews or anything on that depending on the price point it would be really cool to grab that kit because it's just got a great look to it if you look it up yeah then the last one I had on here was showcar kits well actually a couple we got the show car kits that are coming around and I think this is a horrible kit I haven't built it I'm just going based off box art but the AMT the Unreal roller um it's it's it's the the roller kit it's a Tom Daniel but they're releasing a uh 250th anniversary of the United States so it's red white and blue so you know kind of appealing to that whole thing which is kind of neat and then the last one was the uh silhouette so we've talked before about the uh original 16 Hot Wheels right and they they keep releasing those kits the silhouette kit is another one that's coming out again in July kind of in that same vein you know and again when I saw those coming out I didn't really understand what it was they're trying to do by releasing those and conceptually I think it's pretty cool right they're grabbing those original 16 uh Hot Wheels kits and they're reproducing these now into the um the actual model kit so it'd be kind of neat you know I've got a silhouette uh model in the basement that I've never built but they are releasing that again so again there's been a bunch of releases over the years but if you're kind of collecting those original 16 Hot Wheels kits um there's another one coming out in the silhouette so that's pretty much it I mean there's a bunch of other stuff again um you know uh see um round two did a video you know for our uh for our really nerdy model builders they're releasing a bunch of Star Trek kits I saw a bunch of that stuff coming back there's some uh space kits as well so you know if you're kind of diverse in your model building and not just the auto model auto model builder there's a pile of stuff kind of in other veins that are coming out so buy some kits I keep telling myself I'm not buying anymore and then I go buy fucking 10 kits so I don't know it's it's a problem but same problem yep I always say I'm not buying another kit and then I go into work. Yeah right the last show and I walked home with three I was like uh yeah I don't have any money to spend but triple a hobbies is having their retirement sale and it's the last ditch yeah uh Brian Denklau actually just bought a whole bunch of stuff that would have normally cost him over five hundred dollars he said each thing was like ten to seventeen dollars a piece wow dang I don't want to use my credit card yeah yeah yeah right right yeah I also don't have money to spend but it didn't stop me from ordering three kits yesterday so they were all sick I I was just looking at um Facebook memory recently it was six years ago when I was just getting back into the hobby I had probably 75 kits down in the basement I had one wire rack of kits I go down there now in six years I've done some serious damage because I've got I've got to have five wire racks holding your wire racks I have multiple wire racks of kits down there now I'm like Jesus I've really I gotta really start throttling it back here.
SPEAKER_04Yeah but uh or throttling the building up either one it's one or the other yep less uh carb less carburetor return springs more builds yeah same street I'm actually considering having like a guard sale and selling off some of the stock here yeah I probably need to do the same but because I I just I don't know I just want to have some space back in my house you know Brian's address is yeah right I thought the same thing Brian but I then I start going through it I'm like okay I'm gonna pull out a bunch of kits to either send to somebody or see if I can sell and I'm like uh no I want that one no I kind of next thing you know you see Jason sitting on the floor in the middle of his little carpet there legs legs spread apart on his random model boxes and I'm not getting rid of any of them yeah like you did when you were a kid and you were told to get rid of something and then start clean your room and instead you're like looking at all of the toys you're like you got everything in the room yeah the room's way more of a mess than it was is it possible for a 10 year old to have nostalgia start taking the balls off yeah like we used to yeah everybody used to play with this this was a lot of fun yeah that was yesterday okay thank you you you mentioned earlier Billy the box art the box art is what brings us in we buy it based on box art the things that we can do you set it on the shelf you don't really think about it right you can see just the end of it then you pull it out and you start looking at it it's like damn this thing's cool you know what am I we're gonna build this next right that's when the squirrel starts setting in the 10 started kits here on the bench it's like god damn it then you have a wire rack of started kits next to your bench yeah yeah that's right it's so bad too when the the box art you know the monogram kits from when I was a kid that were the race car stuff uh I forget the artist's name now it it evades me but the oh just when they're actual the the paintings yeah or when Tomia did their actual you know uses their artist to do those yeah especially when they do the full scene yeah instead of just the car they do the full oh man those it just your brain works overtime as to like oh yeah those those old box art ones right there it's like oh my gosh those are so cool they're just so good my brain doesn't work overtime it just checks out it's just like shut up and take my money yeah I have a whole I have a whole wire rack of military kits bought based off of box art like man this thing's cool I'm gonna build I'm gonna build this thing at some point I don't even know what I'm gonna do with this thing yeah exactly I don't even know what the hell this thing is but here's a prime example I can personally attest Jimmy bought a model because it looked like a croc last show we went to I did he's like this thing looks like a kit looks like a shoe I'm buying it I did too I did buy a Fujimi uh 917K uh model kit specifically because the box art was so bad I'm like this can't be for real I saw it on on Amazon so I ordered it and I got it in the mail I'm like this really is this bad yeah you're like they really did it justice yeah it's a Polaroid taken in the rain at night yeah exactly oh I know what when you're talking about it's that piper car that green 917K yeah yeah yeah they they literally took it off of the film and then just blew it up right so there's actually white dots and everything because uh the it's like there's no information to fill in the color here sorry I can't do this that's funny but yeah no box art man it's a that's gonna be the uh the bane of us all it is um but you know the same thing with video games back in the 80s dude in the 70s they completely bamboozled you oh yeah right like uh oh I don't know ET just to name one uh even the box art was shit but uh hey you know what even if the models came in a yellow box with a barcode on it just a generic packaging of us uh a race car it just says race car Pontiac we would still go oh man that barcode that barcode got me when I walked around the corner started that damn thing started with a zero and I was like shut up and take my money man just imagine what's in the box I'm gonna put it on the shelf and leave it there for 15 years I can't wait to point out this yeah this is not that far off the mark I mean can you imagine I can sit here and be like it's an RS500 I can just imagine what this thing's gonna look like and it's just a plain box there's no picture there's no nothing I'm just like see you just see I see blonde brunette redhead this one has attractive ankles what what what is this like wheel color right uh well what are you gonna do with that I want to build it like the box art it's a freaking barcode barcode yeah oh man okay tell you what hey we got an email floating around out there why don't we have Justin grab that out of the ether and read that for us emails it's emails who has the ether ether or ether or one of us all right our email uh this episode comes from self-proclaimed OG friend of the podcast Jason Rothgeb starts off with saying I want to say it was a pleasure getting to meet and speak with most of you in person at an at least Mikey Jason Tim and Jody he does wish that he had more time to talk to all of you uh but he decided to be a knucklehead and uh volunteer as uh part of the show uh staff so but he did say that he highly recommends attending the NNL Eats the night before at the host hotel it's a great opportunity to pre-register have a good meal and to meet uh more of the modeling community uh he says he got to break bread with two guys he has known for 20 years through the hobby and uh uh George Oppenheim and Mark Batson at that event but then he moves on to his question says with absolutely nothing else going on in your life what is the ideal length of time it would take you to finish a build he realizes there are a lot of variables so let's eliminate one of them the build in question would be the type of build you usually build be it box stock box stock plus or a kit you hope has a chance at best in show his answer would be about a week seems to be a sweet spot for yeah I'm telling you he's an overachiever he says seems to be a sweet spot for him in not rushing things but also not losing his momentum he's happy with every build on his shelf but with his slow building process due to limited time at the bench and space constraints he usually has three active at once this guy's a lightweight we need to get him in more group builds right exactly he says sometimes they do drag on though uh as a result there comes a point during the process where he gets tired of looking at them and packs them up a recent build was purchased at a show one year and finished to the next that was pretty quick time frame for him seriously anyway I know there are numerous community events that involve 24 48 hour or even four days he's not going to even address the three hour deal that we just went through thinks the he thinks the only one that he is possibly game for at this point is the four-day turkey shoot hosted by the Modeling and Saturday podcast.
SPEAKER_13He has had bad luck attempting that one in the past 2024 saw him fall flat on his back for those four days with the bad case of the flu and last year the family drove from Pennsylvania to Kentucky for Thanksgiving at his at his uncle's house. Cherished memories but no model building so even with four days he's not sure he can get her done but one of these years he's gonna give it a shot sorry for the length of this email if it gets red I will understand the need for extensive editing or if it makes it into the circular file I'll understand that too. Model on Jason Rothkand What do you guys think? So for Jason in order to help with that um traveling to the uncle's house thing don't drive sit in a passenger seat build a model with somebody else so actually in the in the armor world and I guess you could say it leeches into the aircraft world as well there is a a slight trend of what we call hotel building where you take a kit take something with you to work on even if it's just the basics you know like uh clean and sprue off of parts uh you know scrape and seam stuff like that minor stuff that way you have something going and then when you get back you can get into the actual nitty gritty of the build so that's that's one way that you can uh you can do that I I always have like a figure or two on standby in a case ready to go as like a travel thing just to keep me occupied in a hotel room so that's awesome because all that plastic you're scraping and cleaning up and everything and just throwing on the floor you don't have to clean up exactly I like that well housekeeping will take it yeah it's just gonna jam up the vacuum cleaner.
SPEAKER_12Yeah that's right uh but as for the length of bills yeah one week he's gonna think he is a bare naked lady um my my is that my delay or is that your delay I don't know which delay that is took me a second to process that one delay between the two uh I don't even have a sweet spot for builds my builds usually will go anywhere from six months to a year so one week is is crazy to me yeah I mean I think him saying that it was hypothetical right because you did say stuff takes him it was perfect a while it just you know everything every build is different right so the magazine stuff I'm very limited on the amount of time I have to do those so usually it's two two weeks to three weeks is kind of the sweet spot to build one presentable and decent enough to put in the magazine and that includes writing the story but you know I've got stuff over here I've got this American gas or european project I've been working on you know I planned that thing for four or five months started getting parts started working on it and now it's just sitting in this tub looking at me because I'm good back to it that'll be probably a year plus by the time that's done you know so it's really hard to put a put a um my opinion to put a time frame on it because they're all just different what level are you going for?
SPEAKER_04Yeah right you know I I used to be the guy that could um build something within just a couple of weeks because I had a lot of free time and I'm not a fast builder but I just had a lot of free time. And if I had a an actual vision for where I was going with the build that was because that was for me that's the hard part sometimes. And if I was just doing a box stock build or something like that then I could knock that out in a couple of weeks. But my thing is I I I'd have to slow myself down because I'm just gonna start making mistakes or just start screwing around with it and next thing I know I'm cutting this off and cutting that off whatever of the model not not myself but uh which has has happened in the past but yeah a couple a couple of weeks would be my sweet spot um I I couldn't I I I've got so many builds that are taking so long now is so frustrating.
SPEAKER_12I just want to get something done you know but uh yeah uh speaking of which I'm really looking forward to this year's 48 hour group build coming up in July yeah so that's when Billy and and I started hanging out was uh 48 hour group build yes it was that is comes comes comes down to the to the thing that Jason Hanscomala says which is what time management time management time management yep you know and when I for me when I paint I just did this this skyline that I'm working on you know I spent three hours in the basement the other day just painting you know all the parts I pulled everything out I start with the lightest color rinse the airbrush out all the way up to the darkest I sprayed nine different colors but effectively painted everything for the whole model kit in one three hour session once things are painted at that point you're just putting stuff together you know so if it's good time management good build build practices not letting the glue get away from us which is a a thing that I constantly struggle with uh you can theoretically build a really decent model I think in a couple weeks you know is it going to be a best of show well no is it gonna be presentable to bring to a show and let people enjoy absolutely you know but it really is time management and good build skills and I think the big thing is Billy kind of touched on this earlier it's I've always said it's how we are able to fix problems as we go and kind of correct things you know that's what really makes a good model builder not having to start over you know just kind of adapt as you go and if you use good processes good materials stuff that are available today makes the process so much easier and quicker lacquer paints I mean you can paint a whole model in a couple days you know let it set for a day it's more than cured and with uh super glues and stuff we have I mean you could theoretically build a really nice model in a week if you manage your time properly if you manage your time properly yes yep yep if you want to best the show you know clay kemp and those guys those guys take over a year to build some of those things you know right and you're not gonna be at that level if you're just whipping that thing out in two weeks unless you're just really that good you know yeah yeah but even then I don't I don't know if I would buy that if you're really that good you could whip out a best in show in two weeks.
SPEAKER_14Yeah I don't see it happening.
SPEAKER_13No. Now that is that that does kind of bring to mind um something that I've I've seen on certain groups um where builders will just slam through a build and everything is good enough just to get to the next one. Like it's some kind of competition of who built the most models before they died.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_13Look I mean if that's what lights their fire for building great but when I see that like I feel like they are missing out on a lot of what this hobby actually offers. You know like like take the time work with it feel the plastic you know what I mean it's like it's like whooping down all this meal's so good. You know what I mean? Well did you taste it?
SPEAKER_04That's true. That's true. However they could be somebody who actually gets more enjoyment out of a completion than an actual yeah no absolutely like I said it's um you know it's uh you know different strokes for different folks you know what I mean uh some of us can be Arnold Drummond some of us could be Mr.
SPEAKER_13Drummond you know but um yeah that's that's definitely not my speed like you know because a lot of times you'll you'll find that those same builders that tear through a build and do one in five days will then bitch and complain about the cost of a model kit. Yeah you know it's like well then why are you slamming through get the get your dollars worth out of the build you know right again that's that's a totally off you know different topic.
SPEAKER_04That's a whole other podcast yeah right but uh yeah anybody else have anything to add in on uh on Jason's uh email there I think it would take me I don't know if I could build any faster I don't know realistically I just don't know if I could do it any quicker and be satisfied with the results because I even with time allowed I've noticed that I just I just build at whatever pace is available yeah right for the two weeks we had family here I would run into my room and grab something and take it out on the back porch and spray it real quick and then you know like the chassis or something and then and then put it on put it put to dry in the room and then like two days later I'm back in grabbing another part spraying it just to keep my sanity just to keep mental yeah even in a perfect world like getting rid of those obstructions like theoretically yes
SPEAKER_10I might be able to build a little quicker. But I I noticed I tend to sit down and think about what I'm doing. I don't I don't sit there and go through the motions of okay, this, this, this, like Jody's saying he paints everything at one time. I do not do that. My brain does not like doing things like that. I have to paint, I have to paint the pieces that are coming up with what I'm doing next. I may paint in small groups, but there is no way I can have all those painted pieces sitting around me. It ain't happening. I I will look at all that and be like, I know. We ain't no, no, no, no. Like it's a little overwhelming.
SPEAKER_04You like to slow down your build so that you're like, I'm about to make a mistake. Here comes a mistake.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's for me. I mean, I still follow, I mean, I will read through the instructions and try to see potential issues, and like, okay, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But because I haven't built a lot of kits, I don't have that buildup of knowledge where like my dad will build something and he'll be like, huh, this right here, you'll never want to do it that way. I don't have that knowledge buildup yet.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_10So I'm still looking at things, trying to understand, okay, the instructions say do this. That's probably not the best idea. You know, I'll go through my test fitting process and then sit there and be like, uh, hmm, is that how I want to do this? Yeah, I don't want to paint that part yet because what if this doesn't go together right? And then I've painted it, and then I'll need to paint it. Hold on a second, let me look through it. You know, I do those things still. So the idea. Yeah. Exactly. So at some point I may get there.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, I still look through instructions. I spend a couple hours before I start putting paint or glue to plastic. You'll see me doing it on the Sunday afternoon thing. I'll have a kit out and I'll have the instructions out. And I'm just like looking through it. Looking through it, processing in my brain, like, okay, is that a good idea? Yeah, okay. And going that way. Um and I've been building steady for like I don't know, a long time. Um and I think if for me, if I could get set aside all the ebbs and flows that happen in a in a regular in the regular world, right? Like the the lol I'm in now, or sometimes I come home and I I want to sit down here and work for two hours, sometimes I don't. G eliminate all that. If I if I could say, give me a month to build something, I'd be happy. If I could do one model, one really, really nice model in a month, I'd be happy.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_10Me too.
SPEAKER_14Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I I agree. I would I would also a month. I would say that I could do it in a month. Not no February, not no February month. Yeah, give us those extra couple.
SPEAKER_14Give me a full 31 days. Exactly. Exactly. I want that extra paycheck.
SPEAKER_12That seems to be about the amount of time though realistically it takes to put together a decent model. I think it's a month.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Now I was just gonna say, I remember Billy working on that uh Peugeot 206, was it? Yeah, with the uh front the um the the front axles because the four-wheel drive car front axles are a good like five millimeters short of the actual wheel hubs, and it's like why? And he was asking me, and he was like asking on Facebook and stuff, and I'm like, I had a kit also, so I pull it off the shelf. I'm like, Yeah, that's it, that's a thing, man. It as a matter of fact, my little Toyota rally car has the exact same problem.
SPEAKER_10Oh, really? Yeah, so I had to engineer a little thing, and I actually, and because the the wheels steered, so that was like a two, three-day thing for me, like thinking about it. And then finally, what I did was I I spaced things out, and then because it turned and I was afraid that the alignment wasn't gonna be good, I cut the rack and then pinned it so I could slide it in and out for the toe. So when I set it on the table, my alignment would always be correct.
SPEAKER_04Cool. That's kind of a cool way to get around that.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, that's the only way I could figure out how to not have an issue when I put everything together that there would never be an alignment issue with the front end. So I just cut it and then slid a pin in there so I could move that those two pieces on the pin in and out so that I wouldn't have an alignment issue.
SPEAKER_04That's perfect. I might have to redo my Toyota now, right?
SPEAKER_10It was towed out, it wouldn't, yeah, it wouldn't, it wouldn't line up, and it was driving me crazy after I had made it look like I wanted it to. It was like, oh, this is awful. So I just I was like, what can I do? I was like, wait, I'll just pin this and then slide it.
SPEAKER_04Perfect.
SPEAKER_10So I took like a tiny little just a sliver out, so in case it was too far towed out, I could push it back in, and that way I had a little bit of adjustment. The mysteries of Tamiya kits, especially those old ones.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, those especially those, yeah. Why? Why, Mr. Tamiya? Why? Okay, I tell you what, guys, let's move on to uh upcoming shows and uh reports. So, Jason?
SPEAKER_14Okay, so I've got uh I've got a a few shows coming up for the month of June to talk about. The first one is on June 6th, it's ScottCon 2026, hosted by the IPMS General Robert L. Scott Club. This is a region three show. It's held at the uh Century of Flight Hangar at the Museum of Aviation in Warner Robbins, Georgia. IPMS show. Got a car category. Go to these IPMS shows. Show show these guys that the car guys actually matter. Next one is June 13th, Cruising for Cancer Model Show. All models welcome. Uh that's held at the Hillview Recreation Department, 298 Prairie Drive in Hillview, Kentucky. It sounds like a uh Cows and Coffee type deal. Next would be June 20th, SummerCon 2026, hosted by the IPMS North Shore Scale Modelers. This is a region 6 show. It's held at the Robert H. Burns American Legion Post 16, 2031 Ronald Reagan uh Highway, Covington, Louisiana. The theme for this show is anything American. Ronald Reagan? The actor? Ronald Reagan? And then last on my list uh is June 27th. Uh like the this the name of the show just got me. The Flowtown Model Showdown. Like that. I PMF P D P D P E D D. You know what I mean? Scale Modelers. This is a uh a region 12 show. This is held at the VFW Post uh 3181, 236, South Greer Road, Florence, South Carolina. Go check out those IPMS shows, guys. Those are uh I feel like a lot of the car guys don't go to IPMS shows because they're just tanking airplane modelers, but there are some pretty good car classes in there too.
SPEAKER_12Don't they're trying. A lot a lot of them are trying to be more inclusive. Go get inspired by the things that you don't do. Because if you're missing out if you don't, exactly.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, word.
SPEAKER_04Word. So our our uh our club is actually trying to be more inclusive for uh Gundam builders. There's a lot of those uh folks in the area. There's a Gundam Club that builds at the store every Saturday, every first Saturday of the month. This last IPMS show we had in November, a lot of those folks actually attended to see what it's all about. And uh the it was really cool because the model car guys were like, Hey, you guys are new, aren't you? Yeah, well, come on in, let's let's show you around. We're not the new guys anymore.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_04Finally, we have a little brother to pick on. Yay!
SPEAKER_10So happy model show that we just hosted last weekend, so it's our IPMS club, and the last two years we made a big push, more so last year, to kind of get people knowing that the car stuff our club, our IPMS, uh silver wings.
SPEAKER_14That's I was gonna say that's silver wings, correct?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so we did a big push last year, got more people to know that cars and the Gundam slash Warhammer 40k was we wanted a bigger presence, uh, which worked last year, and then this year there was still we got a nice turnout, and we ended up overall getting I think another hundred and something models more than last year, and last year we had more models than the pre the prior year. So it does make a difference. Like if you and we are trying to you know have a concerted effort to have judges and people that are on hand that understand the categories that are being displayed so that we are hopefully judging appropriately because we these are judge shows, and that doesn't happen when people don't participate. Let them show up, let them know that you know you're you're in the area or you're you're interested in participating, and then that's the only way that they start moving in that direction, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like our sci-fi judge was like, I don't know how to judge this Gundam stuff. And I was like, Why don't I put you in touch with somebody who knows? Here's the president of the local Gundam Club, he'll be happy to talk to you. And it was a very educational experience for the both of them, so it's that's a good deal. Cool. So let's get a quick report on how NL East went.
SPEAKER_14Okay, there's a lot to talk about. You want to start, Jody, or would you like me to start? Because we were both there, so yeah.
SPEAKER_12You you go ahead. Give your give your thoughts.
SPEAKER_14Okay, my my thoughts were it the whole day was a blur. There's so much stuff.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_14Okay, thank you for your report. Yeah, yeah. I've talked to a handful of people that have asked me this. How I was NNL East. Should I go next year? Uh, the answers to that, the short answers are fantastic, and you should absolutely go to NNL East. It's a must-see show. Um, but when you get right into it, um, it it can be overwhelming. So be prepared. There's we've talked about it before, right? Two huge vendor rooms, and the main room where they display the models is also huge, and there's so much stuff there, and so many great people at that show. It it you can easily become overwhelmed. Um, some some of the highlights for me, uh meeting some of the people that that are fans of mine, fans of the podcast, fans of podcasts of the past. Uh, you know, there's uh I I bet you there was at least a dozen or more people that introduced themselves to me and said that they loved the podcast or they love my channel. Ryan Maldonado, is that how you pronounce his name, Justin?
SPEAKER_13Yeah, Maldonado, yep.
SPEAKER_14Maldonado. Uh him and his dad were probably the highlight for me for that. Uh uh above and beyond talking to all the friends that I've made in years past, meeting Ryan and his dad was probably the highlight for me, just because of the you could see the look on Ryan's face um as he saw different podcast hosts, right? And Sunday, he watches the Sunday live, he listens to all these podcasts, um, he saw me, pulled me aside, and I was talking to him, and Tim Ryan walked by and he was like starstruck all over again, and talked to Tim for like half an hour, and then Tim was like, Oh, have you seen Jody yet? And he was like, Jody's here? Of course, Jody's here. Let's go get him, let's go find him. And then he talked to Jody for like 20 minutes. It's meeting kids like that and people like that that that really is the highlight for me. I I absolutely love it.
SPEAKER_13So he's in my Saturday club, and I don't ever get the reaction like that.
SPEAKER_14What the fuck? Yeah, he was also one of my scouts. Yeah, yeah. We we heard some fun, we heard some funny stories about him uh being in your scout troop. Um there's your problem. There's your problem. Uh, you make him hold the umbrella, dude. No, I mean, no wonder he's gonna be.
SPEAKER_13No, I never did. His dad volunteered for that position.
SPEAKER_14Um you know, in some of the builds that are there, you see some of the best modelers in the country come to NNL East. Like we've talked about them in earlier in this podcast. Clay Kemp's Jay Savarese, Mark Batson. Um, when you get to see those type of builds in person, it's it's like just a whole nother level. I mean, I look at my junk and I'm like, man, I gotta go home and throw every one of those things in the trash now. Yeah, because the because the models there, they're at a different level. They're just at a different level. It was just all around fantastic show. I had a great time, even though I forgot to eat. Thank you to my friend Jody who reminded me to eat like three quarters of the way through the day. What can I say? Yeah, it's a must, it's a musty deal. You gotta go see it. You would have been based down on the floor if you hadn't eaten. I was close, I was close. I was close.
SPEAKER_12And similar similar. I mean, we share basically the same thing, you know. It's just really overwhelming, and even going a couple times is still overwhelming. I mean, the vendor areas are huge. The quality of the models, the number of models, it really is a blur because there's so many people that you're trying to interact with, you're trying to take in the show, you're trying to um, you know, find the the goodies that you want in the vendor areas. Um, they host a really good show, you know, the the the Friday Eats. They pre-registered a pile of people, you know, and for as long as that line is, I mean, within probably 10-15 minutes, they've got just about everybody in the building, which is amazing. Yeah. How quick they get people in, you know, and they've got it really um really dialed in. The food there, you know, food vendors sometimes in a captive place like that, maybe are not the best, but the food was fantastic, you know, and it was price reasonable. There's really no need to go anywhere other than to just take the day in, spend time with good people. Eating Ryan was great, you know. I went up and said hi, you get all flush, red in the face, and I said, let's go look at what you brought, you know, and he calmed right down. And of course, we had him on Sunday Live there uh two, three weeks ago, which was, I'm sure, just an absolute highlight for him. So uh it's just it's just great to uh great to see everybody. And uh just a funny little story, you know. I I told everybody we all rode down together and I said we gotta really be careful about the amount of stuff that we buy, you know. I've got an Audi uh A6 all road, and I said there's not a lot of room in the back, you know. There's enough, we gotta be conscious about bags and the amount of stuff we buy and all that stuff. And yeah, yeah, we all agreed. And of course, I'm the one that blew that out of the water, bought all sorts of shit. The car was fucking full. If you go look at Jason's uh video, he videoed me trying to Jenga all the pieces, you know, um, into the back of my car. And uh, of course, we met Justin, he had stuff, and Brian Menclaw had stuff we met for breakfast. That thing was full, basically all the way up to the uh the the back window. So it was pretty pretty pretty entertaining. Yeah.
SPEAKER_14To tag onto that funny story. I think it was it was it the gas station where we pulled in for fuel, and you just like without even thinking, he hits the button and the tailgate opens. He's like, Oh no, what do you do with that? Oh my god, and stuff you can hear stuff hitting the ground.
SPEAKER_12You can hear model kids hitting the ground, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's like a garbage truck just moving this load out. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_12I was like, why the hell they opened the hatch for?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you heard model kids. Time to do the nasty, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, uh Justin, that was okay, we'll talk later. But uh I know the movie talk about it. I can't think of it though. It had the uh Charlie Sheen and Minute Work, Charlie Sheen and uh Mark.
SPEAKER_12Great show. If you if you've never been, you gotta go. You know, it's on the list of things. Uh it's just it's just act me. I want to get there. And if the stars line and I can try to make it this year, I'd love to to be with everybody. But I know that's another one that's up and coming. You know, I think there was 14-1500 models at NL East. You know, there's no exact accurate count, but I mean when you think of that, the quality, the people you see that are always willing to talk to you, take a minute to spend time with you, people we looked up to or look up to, and just the amount of stuff that's in the vendor area, it's just I mean, it is just an overload for the senses as model builders. It is right, right.
SPEAKER_04It should it really should be a two-day show, in my opinion. Yeah, you can't you can't get an accurate count because if you start walking around looking at the models that are on the table, you're not gonna be accurate because 75 people could be standing in line waiting for photos to be taken of their models.
SPEAKER_12Yes, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, with three different three different magazines doing it at the same time. Yeah, oh see, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04I'm so glad to hear that.
SPEAKER_12I mean, the dioramas that were there. I mean, I didn't even get a chance to look at all that stuff. The model museum that was in Utah has moved to the uh, you know, the Lincoln, Nebraska. Um, what is it? Uh Speedway Motors Museum. And uh Vinny, uh Matt Wells, a bunch of the um Newberg guys, people that are really tied into that whole venture, um, had a whole display of stuff in the back, you know, of models that are gonna be at the museum once that opens. So there was there was a whole thing. Uh the the the club challenge or the the host club, I mean, they had a whole pile of models. There was probably 100 models on the end just there alone. It's just amazing how much stuff is in there. You gotta go see it. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_04I want to get out to the museum someday.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, same.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. One of these days. Hey, road trip. You guys play out here, we'll do a road trip. Yeah, we'll uh that might have to happen. Yeah, we'll all climb in the we're all climbing the Mustang.
SPEAKER_05There you go.
SPEAKER_04Great shotgun. Short shortest lot has to sit behind me. Yeah, well, forget it. I'm out. I really wish they could have come and joined you guys out there, but I was at a show on the the left coast, which was actually the left coast classic, hosted by Frankie and uh our buddies Dave, who we've had on the podcast. We as a podcast actually sponsored the trophy package for that show. So as a perk, I was tasked with uh actually prisoning the trophies to the winners. And uh so Dave handed me a microphone, and I made an absolute fool of myself in front of a couple hundred people, so that was awesome. Uh, probably won't do that again. But like next year, if we go back again, they'll be like, Okay, it's time for the awards. Don't give a microphone, don't give him the microphone. Yeah, it was a great time. There was a uh a really decent turnout, it's just it was in a huge space, and it they talked about it being like I don't know, 30,000 square feet, something like that. I can't remember. It didn't seem like it was very full, but it was just because of what a large space it was. Now there was a horrible accident on the 101 that's the major highway getting out to the area. It happened like at one o'clock in the morning the night before, and the highways were still closed until after 10 a.m. the next morning. A lot of people that were supposed to be bringing in their mini trucks and their RC cars were coming from the the other side of the valley, so they were going to be stuck in that traffic. I think they had to bail because of that. The venue is right on the water, so like there's like the beaches right there, and then it was beautiful, a little bit foggy. I freaking loved it. Uh, Mrs. BG had an absolute blast filming for the channel. Uh, the videos are up on our on our on our YouTube channel. I got to bump into so many people. I didn't think I was gonna see anybody there I recognize, but scale writers was there. Uh Edgar, he was there filming and doing a live doing a live stream. Uh gosh, of course, there was Dave and Frankie there. Red Hill Racing was there, and you know, I had a whole list. It's of John Teresi was there in in in force, he had all of his great stuff there, so it was good to see him there doing stuff. Roy Sorensen, who is one of the guys who runs the um he he writes for the magazine as well, but he also runs the uh the the Pomona, the What's a Pomona show. He runs that, so he was dropping off flyers and making announcements for that. And uh what's awesome is that their show is gonna be air cooled, is uh air cooled vehicles is gonna be their uh their show topic for this coming. Oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_14Nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh on on the flyer it's got a Volkswagen, a VW bug, and a core of air. I'm like, yeah, buddy. You're speaking my language. Oh, uh Hot Rod Maddie was there. He's a good friend of Mr. Iceman Collections, actually does a lot of the uh the 3D design work for Iceman Collections and uh has his own podcast too. And I was so cool to meet to see Maddie again because he'd come to Arizona a couple years ago. We all hung out together and everything was really cool. And then uh gosh, there um William Chun was there, a good friend of ours that we always see when we go to California shows. So many people were there. It was a great time. They had a food truck out front that was just doing excellent things with hot dogs and hamburgers. I'm gonna post on our Facebook page when we get done recording here the the trophies that we took pictures of uh because they let me go back behind the counter and take pictures of the trophies and they did an excellent job with with this stuff and this really high-end looking stuff. But I'm like, wow, you guys got this done on the budget I sent you? Damn. They they found a good trophy, a good trophy shop, but they're uh they're looking forward to expanding it for next year and getting the word out and everything because other than uh Art Lasky show that sadly has to go away because they lost their venue, the the SoCal open, it's just gonna be the Pomona show. That's gonna be like the big automotive shows in Southern California, the Mecca of uh hot rod. So it's kind of sad to see that. But the venues are so expensive and they're having a hard time with club members just being you know old and retiring or even sadder passing away. So sad to see that. But it was a great show. I highly recommend that. If you if you can't get out to NNL East, then you might want to go out to uh the Left Coast Classic because that was still a lot of fun. Great vendors, and I picked up some rare stuff that I'd never seen in shows before. So and boy, those guys wanted a deal, they wanted to make all kinds of they weren't being picky about what kind of cash you were handing them. I tell you, right? Yeah, well, luckily we drove out there, so we had the uh the station wagons, so we were we were pretty safe. And then the area that the show was in was just a half an hour south of Santa Barbara, so Mrs. BG and I went up there for a really awesome date night after the show. So it was kind of kind of sweet. Very cool. So that wraps up that for me. And I tell you what, I think we've been doing this for long enough. What do you guys think? Word it is. Okay, Mikey, what do you think? Should we wrap this up? Yeah, okay, cool. I tell you what, let's wrap this up, guys. Justin, why don't you lead us in the closing, please?
SPEAKER_13All right, all right, please bow your heads in the name of the father. I'm just kidding. Uh ladies and gentlemen, if you enjoyed what you listened to here this time, this evening, uh, well, it's evening for us, uh, you can head on over to modelpodcast.com. That is a consortium website where you can find all sorts of crazy, interesting, and informative modeling podcasts as well as short form and long form blogs where you can uh learn all about scale models. Don't forget about modeling insanity. That's right.
SPEAKER_04Very good. Uh thank you, Justin. Uh uh Jody, would you lead us in the bye-bye's, please?
SPEAKER_12Uh thanks for uh thanks for coming along, everybody. Billy, good to good, good to see you. We haven't really had a chance to really talk or get to see each other, so this is good. Hopefully we can uh continue uh relationship outside of this. So appreciate coming. This was great. Did you just ask him out on a date?
SPEAKER_03Yes, he did.
SPEAKER_12I did. I know. Not judging. I was just scared.
SPEAKER_09Not really, but we could do this.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look how easy, look how look how easy that was, Justin. Right? I'm trying. I'm learning. Look, I'm taking notes.
SPEAKER_04And so he's like, I don't know. I don't know, stand up, turn around. Let me see what you got. For good, for good.
SPEAKER_12I may or may not lean slightly forward and look back at me.
SPEAKER_13Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_12But uh thank thanks for uh thank thanks for listening. And uh I can be found over at VW Jody on the old Instagram. I'm trying to add more content in there, but uh you can see me on the Sunday live uh every Sunday from four to six, hanging out my buddies, talking models and building stuff. So that's it for me. Take care, everybody.
SPEAKER_04Good deal. Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER_14Jason? Thank you very much, everybody, for tuning in and listening to this. This was a lot of fun. Thank you, Billy, uh, for the almost four hours of really good content. You almost did it. Almost. Um you can please check out uh my Facebook page, Blue Ox Model Shop, uh, my YouTube channel, Blue Ox Model Shop. Um, what else? Oh yeah, my Instagram, Blue Ox Model Shop. Uh I am trying to put more stuff on Instagram just like Jody is trying to do. Um, you might have to deal with like, you know, cat and tree pictures, but there's some model stuff in there too. So please check me out. I I don't want to get up and spin around like like Justin wants me to, but Billy, why don't you give us a goodbye?
SPEAKER_10Thanks for having me on. Thanks for inviting me. This is great. You know, it may not turn out well for you, but I liked it. That was great.
SPEAKER_04I'm looking forward to the four days of editing.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah. Have fun with that. Yeah. So yeah, this was great. I really appreciate you guys having me on. So uh hopefully we can do this again soon.
SPEAKER_04If you did really well, you might take over for him. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, every guest is a secret audition. There we go.
SPEAKER_10Uh yeah, but in all seriousness, it was it was fun.
SPEAKER_04Good, good. Glad to hear that. Glad you had fun.
SPEAKER_10And uh you can find me. Oh, go ahead. I'll take more praise. Go, please go.
SPEAKER_04Where can we find you? You're like a flower in the sunshine.
SPEAKER_10Oh gosh. Uh yeah, you can find me on YouTube where I I think I've just come to the consensus that I will put out a video when I'm done with a build. That's where we're at. So you'll only get a video from me every once in a while, but that's where we're at. So Billy Strange Auto Models on YouTube. And if you want some more periodic updates and a boatload more real uh IRL content from cars, my cars, other cars, whatever, then you can follow me over on Instagram at strange underscore Billy.
SPEAKER_04Perfect. Thank you, Billy. Justin, you have a goodbye for us. Bye. Thank you.
SPEAKER_13Uh, yeah, you can find me, you know, all the usual play places, uh, modeling and sanity podcast, Facebook page, Ryan's Random Model Works. I'm on the Instagram as well. Um, although I even though I just suggested how to post both simultaneously, I always forget to do that. Uh, but you can follow me over there, uh, Ryan's Random Model Works on Instagram as well. And then just plain old Facebook, Justin Ryan. Um right now, my profile picture is the logo from the insanity podcast episode of replacing private Ryan. So you see me uh dressed up in private Ryan gear. So uh other than that, yeah, you know, you just listen to my voice, my dulcet tones on these damn things.
SPEAKER_04Thank you, Justin. Saying thank you guys for listening. Thank you for following along with us online on the uh model car mania Facebook page. I love what you guys are posting on there, so please keep it up. Thank you, Jason, for the email. Appreciate that very much. Also, I want to say hi to Mike. Hi, Mike. Thanks for listening again. And then also I want to say thank you to Iceman Collections, VCG Resonance by Reese, MCV Model Car Parts, and Auto Model Magazine, all friends of the podcast. We appreciate everything you guys do for the hobby. And in the final closing, if the El Camino is the mullet of automobiles, then what would the Mohawk of Cars be? Alright, guys, we'll talk to you in the next one. Bye.
SPEAKER_14Bye.
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SPEAKER_12I'm just glad I'm not a manatee swimming one, Mikey, tomorrow.
SPEAKER_13I just asked Chat GPT, what would the Mohawk of Cars be? And it says the Mohawk of Cars would probably be something loud, aggressive, weirdly aerodynamic, and impossible to ignore from every angle. Top contenders, the Bisson Duke. Is it the Nismo edition? Chaotic styling choices everywhere. The car equivalent of shaving the sides of your head because society quote unquote doesn't understand your art. But if I had to crown one true Mohawk of cars, it's probably the Plymouth prowler. Looks like if Hot Wheels designed a midlife crisis. Damn.
SPEAKER_12Damn.
SPEAKER_10Make it stop. Make it stop.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well we were uh excuse me, we were talking about Billy's fat cobra. Wait, no, cobra psycho. We went those toss in.
SPEAKER_02Am I in the right podcast? Well