Become Unshaken Podcast
This podcast is for anyone navigating the pressures of life. Together, Michael and Stephanie bring both grit and grace to the table. You’ll hear honest conversations about business, burnout, parenting in a blended family, marriage, leadership under pressure, and what it really looks like to build emotional resilience when the world doesn’t slow down. This isn’t just theory – it’s lived truth. Whether you’re leading a company, raising children, rebuilding after loss, or fighting to stay anchored in your purpose, you’ll find real tools and bold encouragement here.
Become Unshaken Podcast
Episode 21: Perseverance | Part 2 | Get Up Anyway
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Life isn’t fair. We don’t all start from the same place. We don’t all get the same opportunities. And sometimes, no matter how hard we try… things still don’t go our way. But here’s the truth we’ve learned and lived: You still have to get up anyway. The idea of Fall. Rise. Repeat. isn’t just about resilience…It’s about responsibility. It’s about deciding that no matter what life throws your way, you don’t stay down. Join us as we talk about what that actually looks like in real life.
Welcome to the Become Unshaken Podcast, where we journey through the hard together. We're so glad you're here. Welcome to the Become Unshaken Podcast. My name is Stephanie Rodriguez.
SPEAKER_01And I am Michael Rodriguez.
SPEAKER_00And we are back with part two of the Perseverance series. We're here to talk about oh boy, life's not fair.
SPEAKER_01No, it is not.
SPEAKER_00Life isn't fair. We don't all start from the same place. We don't all get the same opportunities. And sometimes, no matter how hard we try, things still don't go our way. In part two of our Perseverance series, we're talking about it all. And here's the truth we've learned and lived. You still have to get up anyway. And become unshaken. I'm laughing because I know what's coming. In Become Unshaken, the idea of fall, rise, repeat. It's just, it's not at all about resilience. It's about responsibility within the process. It's the choices you make. It's about deciding that no matter what life throws your way, you don't stay down. And today we're talking about what that actually looks like in real life. So let's dive in. We're talking about the fact that life isn't fair. We're going to talk about action over overthinking, one of my favorite topics that my friends and I always talk about. And we're going to, we're going to dive in. We're going to start with a question for Michael about what he heard growing up. It's a controversial thought, one that we've talked about at length, one that we don't fully will say, experience equally or have experienced equally in our lives. So uh it's why it's it's controversial and fun to talk about. But Michael, you heard you're not sick unless you have a fever. You're bleeding or you're puking. Boy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's a tough, that's a tough line. That's a tough bar. How did that mindset shape your resilience? And explain it for our listeners. Because it's a it's a bold line. It's a bold sentiment.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, my parents were divorced, so both essentially when they had us were single parents and they had full-time jobs and they worked all the time. And, you know, the reality was this work was necessary to be paid. And, you know, mom and dad aren't just staying home because you got a boo-boo or you got whatever, a headache. And so really you needed to have physical signs. You needed to prove that you were sick or you were going to school, right? And that's just all there was to it. And, you know, quite honestly, I didn't realize it was that controversial until I wrote the book and had a few people read, and they're like, whoa, that's kind of tough.
SPEAKER_00I think everyone had a comment about that section.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, even my mom, whose rule it was, didn't really like how it was presented in school. I remember that. So we we had to go over it again with a fine tooth comb. But, you know, this is this is this was a rule that was the expectation. And and the other thing that happened, and I'll tell you what, if if you want to talk about really the most transformational, you know, or the thing that made this really cemented for me was if I was too sick to go to school, I wasn't playing in a game. So I'll tell you what, I was never sick because I was gonna play. And and so, you know, I I think it comes off as as controversial because I would say, you know, when we think about our friends and and other parents, that definitely isn't the bar, right? Uh and and I would say that the bar is lower. And and the other thing is, and I clarified in the book, and I want to clarify it here, there are also a ton of actual ailments, both mental health and physical ailments, chronic issues that are also obviously within the parameter of what is necessary to care for yourself on and to always treat and all of those things. So first and foremost, let me just say this is not meant to be insensitive. We absolutely recognize and or experience that you know there are other issues and ailments outside of those three.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But if you weren't experiencing those three physical ailments, right? Fever, puking, or bleeding, and there aren't any mental health or physical chronic issues, go to school.
SPEAKER_00And it was your reality. It is it is what you were taught. Million percent. And it it did it did resonate with you, and and more so the sentiment of it is what you took away. That's right.
SPEAKER_01And and and the sentiment is this how often do we let something uncomfortable or inconvenient get in the way of progress? All right. How how often, right? And so, you know, I I say it in the book, I I I talk about it in the book. You have to take your well-being serious. But how often do we make an excuse to not show up, to not get up? And you know, it it bleeds into everything. And, you know, if you haven't listened to more than, I don't know, one podcast, maybe you haven't heard this, but it's all about training, mental and physical training to persevere, to be resilient, to overcome, to become and remain unshaken. It is practice, it is training. And as a child, I had training. You're gonna go. You're gonna go. Take to Advil and go do your job. And, you know, my gosh. I mean, I'd have to think about it. It's really hard to weigh all of the lessons that that I've been taught over the years, both as a child and as an adult and through my profession and all of these things. But not letting minor things and inconveniences and ailments get in the way has benefited me greatly. A headache doesn't make me say, hey, babe, I'm gonna let you parent the kids today, and I'm gonna just take out, you know, my my finger hurt, right? I inadvertently may have broken your finger playing flag football on Thanksgiving. You were still working. So we're still cooking.
SPEAKER_00So we are going to admit that now. We we are going to admit, I mean, maybe it was broken.
SPEAKER_01Maybe we didn't splint it long enough.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Maybe.
SPEAKER_01Let's get off that topic real quick.
SPEAKER_00But anyways, so But you bring up something interesting though. You brought up, you did bring up rest. You know, inadvertently, you brought up resting. Because I want to talk about that. Where is the line between toughness and knowing when to rest? Because there is a line and there is a need. So I also want to put that, put out, put that out there. But we'll get there in a moment. I want to stick, though, more so with the toughness, because this idea, this sentiment that was kind of instilled upon you at an early age matters greatly to you and how you live and how you parent. And it's it's that discomfort that you talk about that we have to really just accept as part of life and not let it overtake us. And I think let's just live there for a moment and the importance of that and how that shows up in so many different ways in life and how it's also something that brings people down so quickly. So why is just getting comfortable with uncomfortable so important?
SPEAKER_01You know, we talked about it in the first episode of this perseverance series. And that is you're going to lose. Bad things are gonna happen. You're gonna get sick, or you're gonna be inconvenienced. Something's gonna not go right today.
SPEAKER_00You can get in the car, go to the grocery store. Those that will happen like inevitably within an hour of your day, if those are the two things you're doing.
SPEAKER_01That's right. And and so, you know, whatever it is, and and you know, sometimes people will be, I'll have people that I know or come across that are inconvenienced by having to fill up the gas tank when they're not prepared to do it. Oh my gosh, and this is one, so unnecessary. It's gonna make me super unruly, and I've got a terrible attitude, and all of these things, and this is just a problem, and now I'm four minutes behind what I thought, and now my entire day is wrecked because I had to fill up the gas tank. Oof. We've had construction on our one of our main roads to get into town. We are stuck in 120 car traffic for nine minutes on the way to school, on the way home, on the way to practice. Now I have to have a woo-saw moment sometimes, right? But the reality is this it's gonna happen. How do you respond?
SPEAKER_00Accept it or plan for it, right? Spend the additional four minutes kind of getting in the car earlier and and going to school that way, or work that way. Or go the other way. Yeah, that's right. Also a choice.
SPEAKER_01Or accept it, accept the reality that this is gonna be inconvenient. Yeah. And keep on going.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But certainly don't yeah, you don't kind of dwell in that moment and allow it to overcome everything else that you have to face that day, right? Or the people that you're gonna be experiencing, because how they experience you, interestingly enough, impacts their day too.
SPEAKER_01That's right. And listen, the more you oppose inconvenience and things that are uncomfortable, it is empowering. It is empowering to say, yeah, this thing happened. Not gonna stop me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Not gonna break me, not gonna do whatever it is that life is trying to do right now and trying to teach and trying to make happen. I'm going to stay unshaken. I'm going to oppose it, and that makes me strong.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. There's a there's a course I took once. It will forever stay with me because I I thought it was so interesting the way that this person was teaching, teaching people that would be in a kind of a presentation mode, whether live or virtual, how to handle it when when everything goes awry, when everything breaks down, right? So you plan, you prepare, you're ready to make an impact, and all of a sudden your A V goes down, right? Or your tech goes down or your mic goes down. And and a lot of people would be flustered in that moment. And all of a sudden it would ruin their moment, it would ruin their day, it would, it would overcome them, really, because there's there's a lot of pressure you can put on yourselves and in yourself in moments like that. But but they said just not only embrace it, but share it. Talk about it. Say, my dog just ran in. Sorry, I'm gonna try to get him out. But like you just accept it and have have those around you accept it, acknowledge it, and pivot. And there's a win in that moment, right? When you pivot to your point about being empowered, you pivot and you say, Okay, this happened, but this is how I responded to it. Such a powerful moment, and it can actually be even better than what you originally planned.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you know, in in that scenario, everybody's human, whether they're your your boss, your coach, your whoever, they know that the dog gets out. Yeah. They know that the kids want to come and ask if they can have a snack. I mean, they just so, you know, shed the the need for seeming perfect and everything going right. And just, again, we say no toxic positivity. Yeah, this stinks, this is hard, this happened, that happened. Accept it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Acknowledge it, right? Because when you when you repress and you hide and you you don't acknowledge, I mean, it just eats you up. Yeah, this is unfortunate. Sorry it happened, and let's keep going.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's interesting. It's something I've learned at work and at home is that if anything, perfection or even this approach to perfection actually makes people more uncomfortable than if you actually show some vulnerable vulnerability, vulnerable moments in your everyday to actually show that you're trying and not always able to get there, right? That actually makes you more human, more relatable, more approachable. And that's what people want. That's what your kids want. That's what your coworkers want. They don't want this high bar of perfection that they themselves feel compelled to reach and and maybe even incapable of getting to. That is overwhelming for those around you.
SPEAKER_01Well, and talk about just what a great characteristic to have in a leader, right? It's it's not, oh, well, they're the leader, they're the one in charge, they're the one doing this, and everything goes well for them and all of those things. No, hey, listen, I'm just like you. Life's hard. Things happen that are unexpected, but we're all gonna roll with it because, you know, you need to do that, I need to do that, we all need to do that, and we're in this together, and on we go. That's a little leadership thing that just popped into my head.
SPEAKER_00Well, we we talked about toughness and and I know I promised we would talk about rest, but but let's let's break into that. Where's the line between toughness and knowing when to rest? Because sometimes you do need to take that moment. I need, I needed to today for sure. And I recognized that in myself yesterday, that today was the day that I needed to take a moment and kind of re-anchor and and spend some time probably in silence. So, so where's the line for you between toughness and and rest?
SPEAKER_01Boy, the, you know, you want to talk about feeling convicted. This is one of those where I I definitely have some some conviction. I I prided myself on never needing a break. I mean, it just didn't matter where I was. I was gonna give 110% every minute of every day. And what would happen is I would absolutely collapse. I mean, I'd get 104 degree fever. I was dead, you know, incapable, totally useless for 24 hours. And, you know, that was just kind of the pressure and and the expectation that I put on myself, which of course then physically was not good for me, right? It was unhealthy, an unhealthy way to live. And then, you know, I was a single dad for three plus years with all these businesses, and I just thought, I mean, I can't afford to take a break because what was I afraid of happening? I was afraid if I took a break, everything would fall apart. That was an unrealistic expectation and an unrealistic belief. And so I will say this is where my tribe, this is where my wife, you, my love, have really taught me this. You know, we are human beings and we are physical beings. The stress, the anxiety, the pressure, the the physical and mental and emotional toll it takes to be everything that we want to be. Right? We we want to be everything for everyone. We want to be a great spouse, partner, parent, friend, child, sibling, worker, boss, you know, neighbor, all those things. The only way that we can even begin to do that is by allowing rest. And I will say, you know, one at your encouragement, two at the encouragement really of our church, taking one day off every week to unplug, silence the phone. I talk about it when we talk about our purpose, pursue, prioritize, and protect, right? I really got heavily into protecting my purpose, but also protecting my health, my well-being, my sanity. And so Sundays, that's my day of rest. Phone is silenced. We do our thing as a family all day long. And it is a time for me to both rest, recharge, fill that cup, and be ready for the week. It just for me, that has been probably the most groundbreaking thing to have learned and accept was I am human. I need to rest to be my best. And so we did it. We committed to one day a week. I committed to one day a week to do that. And and it has been a game changer. It allows my resilience to be stronger six days a week, right? Because I am not running on fumes, barely making it. And and again, you know, there have been other moments where you especially have recognized a change in my demeanor, the way that I'm carrying myself, that made me then say, okay, I had a blind spot here. I'm having a moment. Let me take time in silence. Let me rest and re-anchor, recharge, and come back. Sometimes, sometimes life only affords us five minutes. So if you're listening to this and going, I don't have time, totally hear you. Five minutes in silence sometimes to just exhale, gain that perspective again, re-anchor. And and I'll also say this we're guilty of it. There are times where we're exhausted, and then we're like, hey, it's 10 o'clock. We could talk for 20 minutes and go to bed, or we could throw on Netflix right now and we could watch three shows and fall asleep at 11:45. Listen, once those kiddos, if you're a parent, once those kiddos go to bed, you can go to bed too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so, you know, I think also sometimes we're guilty of trying to unplug and rest, but we're not truly resting. We're actually just staying up later, knocking away or, you know, chipping away at our sleep when we should be sleeping or when we should be fully rested. And instead, we're gonna, you know, whatever. Sometimes I'll say, Yeah, I need rest. Let's go to the gym. And it's like, you know, you don't need to go to the gym right now. Let's rest.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I I think this is a great moment to bring up some just different, different personality types, different, different tendencies. So for you, I think good vulnerable moment for yourself to reflect on the fact that you just go. You, you really don't stop. And so you do need myself. You need, you need your tribe to kind of help you kind of, you know, just realize those moments where where you might just need to take a break because you've earned it, you deserve it, and and you'll benefit from it, right? Fill your cup back. And for me, I would say I spend more time in self-reflection. I can recognize those moments for myself pretty easily. And they usually happen when I, when I don't prioritize my time. So yesterday was a great example of that. I I usually start my day defining my goals for the day. And I I always pick top the top three priorities, things that I have to get done today. And everything else, not so urgent, not so important. Yesterday was interesting because it was just a different dynamic. Everybody was home. So I didn't do that. I just went into go mode. And so by the end of the day, I was done. I was totally burnt out, which is which is why I even shared already, you know, this is the day where I need to just take a moment for myself and fill my cup back up. It's it's halfway there. It's gonna get even all the way to the top. And you helped me get there last night. So I appreciate the talk and I appreciate your willingness to just kind of let me vent and talk about, you know, how the day went. So, so know yourself, know your tendencies, know your risks, right? For for being burnt out and getting to that line. And then take the moment to rest, however, that looks for you. It could be in silence. We really encourage you to do that, or it could just literally be a mindless show that is either informative or just hilarious and gives you a moment to just kind of stop, right? It could be a phone call to a loved one, a friend, lots of different things, but know your tendencies. Know what what's what's going to be required to fill your cup back up so that way you can pour it out again because you cannot pour from an empty cup. We say it all, we say it all the time. So, so know that for yourself and and give yourself that gift. So let's talk a little bit about, gosh, overthinking. We do this a lot. We we tend to overthink instead of just taking action. So say now we've kind of recognized that for ourselves. We've we've recognized when when the toughness was needed, when the rest was needed, we're giving ourselves those gifts and those moments of grace. But what happens when we overthink instead of take action to get back up? Why do we overthink and how could we stop?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, before we get deep dive into this, you know, what I'm going to talk about and and what I believe, I I it needs to be taken in context, right? Because I uh we say it, patience uh is active, right? It's not passive. But much of overcoming hardship has to do with action. But it doesn't mean be impulsive. It doesn't mean just dive in without thinking, right? It's it's still strategic, right? But motion is better than paralysis. And you know, we uh we again fall into I think two traps. One is that impulsive, I'm just gonna push like a bull. I'm just gonna keep on pushing until this thing breaks because that's just what I'm gonna do. And then you have other people who kind of hold back. There is some paralysis, there is some kind of fear, right? We talked about it in the first episode. There is a fear of failure or a fear of pain, a fear of disappointment that then makes us inactive, doing nothing. And you gotta fall in between two. Paralysis to me, and and fear is the absolute worst because you will never take a shot, you will never improve your circumstances, you will never grow in resilience, that muscle will never build and never. And therefore everything everywhere has the power to hold you down, to hurt you, the power to, you know, make you stuck, to give up hope, to lack joy. And again, the impulsive push for no reason be unbearable to everybody because you just refuse to stop. And again, I say it in jest, but I did just talk about the fact that I refuse to stop pushing, right? And so I recognize that that can be challenging to those around me as well. And so I continue to uh grow on this journey of life. You can't stay paralyzed. You can't allow fear to hold you from progress and strength and empowerment and your future, right? And so, you know, what does it look like? You know, we got to get to this story eventually, my get up. You just gotta get up. And if you've seen me coach any sport, or you've seen me around the house or in life, you know, I I I learned it early. My my first kiddo, I read a book somewhere or heard it from somebody, and they said, Hey, when your kid falls, they're gonna look around at you first and they're gonna decide, do I need to cry and get picked up? Or am I okay? And I took that, you know, as a cemented first almost rule of parenting, which is the kiddos fell down, I did not jump up, I did not act concerned, I simply said, get up. That's it. Now, if they bonk their head or it's clearly there's an issue, daddy's running over there. You better believe it. And daddy's gonna hold you and he's gonna make sure you're okay. But you're running around, you fall down. Get up. The kids are playing sports, they trip and they fall, and they're in a scrum of a soccer pile. If you ever coach or watch kiddo soccer under the age of seven, it's literally ten kids just tripping all over each other and kicking each other in the shins. It's incredible. They fall down. I'm on the sideline. I'm not running out to go see how kiddos are. Get up. And, you know, we've got a story of us in the airport traveling, and this is maybe our first trip. You want to tell it or should I?
SPEAKER_00No, you can tell it, but I I will have to give my perspective because okay. Well, let's see if you talk about the order in which we were walking. This is a moment, everyone. This was this was a moment. This was a moment early, actually, in our relationship.
SPEAKER_01This is our first trip together.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know you were gonna bring this up today. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So this was our first trip. And, you know, we're a family of eight. Six kiddos and us. And I think we're what, at O'Hare?
SPEAKER_00No, we were at RDU.
SPEAKER_01We're at RDU. So we're we're flying out of RDU, and the kiddos all want to walk on the little treadmill thing.
SPEAKER_00The people mover. Yeah, the people mover.
SPEAKER_01And so, you know, the adults were on the outside and they're having their little fun. And all of a sudden, I don't know, kiddo number three falls down. I see him fall. Well, I don't run to help kiddo three. I say get up. And when I said it, I meant it. One, because you sit on that thing long enough, that little thing's gonna, you know, the little escalator's gonna get you. But two, stop being a goofball. We're in the airport. I already told you what the expectations were. Y'all are wrestling and falling down. Get up. What was your perspective? Because I didn't even know this until you told me everything else.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah. So and you you did say it with some authority, right? So there was no doubt he was getting up. So up he up he got. He was right back on his feet. But there was an onlooker who who had heard you, you know, speak in that fashion, say, get up. And, you know, they they were more mortified. I mean, they were absolutely overwhelmed to think, oh my gosh, you're not gonna reach down and, you know, help him up and find out if he's okay and and you know, like wipe off his knees and all, you know, all these things. And he's he's a much older child. So, you know, that wouldn't be necessary. But I do think that they were, you know, we're in this kind of era of parenting where it's it's very much about like, you know, protect and and and coddle and and all those things. And I I do think it was a moment of, you know, just kind of shock for this person to hear you say that. And I was, I was behind, right? So I was the last one coming on. So of course I I looked at her and I was like, it's okay. Like he's fine. And I knew that he was fine and I'd I'd seen what happened. But but it was just funny to hear or to see and observe that reaction of you holding the line with an expectation and and you know, kiddo not doing what they were supposed to be doing. But without context, there's just this person that automatically assumes, you know, you kind of overcorrect on their behalf. You you kind of over-protect and you you you know, you lean into that moment and and do nothing but nurture and care. And there are always moments for nurture and care.
SPEAKER_01Always.
SPEAKER_00But, you know, holding that line and that standard, at that moment, you were you were teaching a lesson and and that lesson, that lesson was taught.
SPEAKER_01That's right. And listen, and and you said it. To to show my love and my care for the kids, not a single thing has to happen. It doesn't take a bad thing for me to say, hey, come here, kiddo. Do you know that I love you? Do you know that no matter what you do, I will love you more than you will ever understand. There's nothing you can do to make me love you more. There's nothing you can do to make me love you less. And I will love you this way forever because I'm your daddy. I can say that whenever. When kiddo falls down, it's time to learn. I get up.
SPEAKER_00I know. And it was just looking, looking at the situation unfold and just seeing that response from this person who doesn't know you and doesn't know us and doesn't know anything. And so that's the only frame of reference they have in your parenting. I mean, they I I I know what I'd have a conversation with you right then and right there. Sure.
SPEAKER_01Sure. And and again, we're not going to get into parenting here, but if you ask any one of the kids the number one thing, you know, about me and how I feel about them, every single one of them would say, Daddy loves me no matter what. Not one of them even think twice when they hear get up. They just do it. Right. And and again, we talked about it there. One, that's a that's a trait that we're trying to teach our children, but it's also what we want to teach everybody else. Life is gonna put you on the floor, literally and figuratively. You always have two choices.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I'll also for some perspective. I I shared it in previous podcasts when I had lost my wallet at an airport. So I don't know why all the all of our stories are airport stories today. I just teach you a lot. And I just, I honestly fell to the ground. I was mortified. I didn't know what I was gonna do. How was I gonna get home? And my friend at the time who was with me, traveling with me, actually said, get up.
SPEAKER_01Brilliant. She's brilliant.
SPEAKER_00So it does work.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it does.
SPEAKER_00It does work. And sometimes you just do need a friend to be the one to tell you. Okay, so let's end with some advice for our listeners. What would you say to someone who does feel stuck right now? They don't know what to do next. They're kind of stuck in that moment, maybe paralyzed by fear, potentially overthinking. What would you say?
SPEAKER_01We talk about momentum, we talk about the the choice, we talk about how powerful it is, right? I mean, we can we can quit or we can get up. It is a choice. We can be perseverant, we can choose to be patient, choose discipline, choose hard work, which then means we're choosing resilience. And when that muscle gets strong enough, you can choose joy. So my advice would be you know, it's all a choice. It really and truly is. It's all a choice. It really and truly is. I want to encourage everyone to make that choice. Get up. I mean, I said it. Some days the only thing we can do is get up. But that is a choice, and that is a choice you're making in the positive, so do it. I I do want to close out this little piece of advice with kind of the closure of this chapter in the book. It is the conclusion of kind of my feelings and thoughts, and so let me just give that to all of you now. You are not defined by your losses. You are defined by your response. Choosing to get up is an act of hope. Choosing to keep moving forward is a declaration of joy. You don't wait for life to get easier, you get up now. Raw, hurting, uncertain, and trust that joy will meet you in the climb. You have everything you need to get up today, not because it's easy, but because hope is real and a joy is worth fighting for.
SPEAKER_00I'm so glad you chose to end with a a quote from the book, and that's the that's the end of chapter ten, right? Value four, ball, rise, repeat. Thank you for sharing that today. So so I'll close us with just a a moment here to reflect on the fact that life isn't always fair. But as Michael just stated, your response is always yours, right? So you don't need perfect conditions or certainty. You don't need to have it all figured out. You just need to get up and take the step, do the work, keep going. Because the people who become unshaken aren't the ones who never fall. They're the ones who refuse to stay down. And that's you. Fall, rise, repeat. We are in it with you. Visit us on our website, visit us on social. And if you haven't yet bought the book, buy yourself a copy today. Buy one for a friend or a family member. You can buy it at Amazon or Barnes Noble. And we can't wait to talk to you soon.
SPEAKER_01Everybody have a great week.
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