KHLEO THOMAS

Actor/Content Creator, Khleo Thomas, talks about filming the movies 'Holes' and 'Roll Bounce', touring with Bow Wow, pivoting to social media, tips on streaming, becoming a professional gamer, and more. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Everyone goes to World on Wheels to see who can and cannot skate. A few people could, a few people couldn't. And bro, that was the experience, man. I remember me, uh, Marcus Polk, and I can't remember who else.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Can I go through the cast?

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Can I go through the cast very quickly? Bao, Marcus Polk, Rick Gonzalez, Megan Good, Jeremy Smollett, myself, Wesley Jonathan, Nick Cannon, Wayne Brady, Chi McBride, Stack, Mike Epps, Charlie Murphy.

SPEAKER_06 0:35

That's a cast. Bro, it is insane. This is coming to America levels again.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

I don't know how they pulled that off, bro.

SPEAKER_07 0:52

Hey man, what's up, y'all? Welcome to another episode of Killin' It. It's your boy B.T. Kingsley. London Brown.

SPEAKER_05 0:58

Justin Hyas.

SPEAKER_07 0:59

And man, hey.

SPEAKER_05 1:01

I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_07 1:02

Look at us.

SPEAKER_06 1:03

Look at us.

SPEAKER_07 1:07

Today we have another dude I'd like to consider a friend, man. Uh super, super accomplished movies, TV, streaming, touring, music. We're gonna get into it all, man. My brother, one of the best in the business, man, one of the hardest workers I know, and one of the most talented people I know, the one and only. Cleo Thomas, man! Cleo!

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Thank you, thank you, fellas. Thank you for having me. Thank you for the introduction.

SPEAKER_07 1:37

You made it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Yeah, man. Yeah, easy call. As soon as you said, I was like, wherever or whenever I'm there. Dope. Yeah, man. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_07 1:44

We got so much to talk about. Uh I'm starting. What are we doing? Go for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

I already know my first question, because I'm a I'm a Shy LaBeuf groupie. Got it. I was. Sure. You know what I'm saying? I know you did holes. Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying? That's where I was too. I mean, so back then, was there it how was he back then?

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Man, he comes off of doing even Stevens. He comes off of doing uh True Confessions, which I think was like a Disney Channel original movie. And I don't know if you guys remember the the synopsis for that, but he played a mentally challenged kid. And this was a Disney show. I mean, excuse me, a Disney Channel original movie. So that was something, that was a different landscape for them. But that helped, I think, put Shia in a position for them to say, oh, this is a kid who we can help craft and give him the tools to be the guy outside of Disney. So he gets the holes, man, and it's his set. You know, we did a a screen test on um on uh like my third audition, and it was just me and him at a table doing the reading scene of when I couldn't read or write, and the director decided to take the scripts from us and just let us play and let us improv. So I really just followed his lead because at this point he's seasoned. You know, he's already held down a TV show. So I'm thankful to have a scene partner who was gonna be able to lead like that, and I just kept up. Because you're like you're like 14. 13. 13. 13 on the right.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

You said you couldn't read or write at 13? The character couldn't. Oh, I'm about to read it. I'm about to say, we got some more questions to ask you. I'm about to say, what was going on in your childhood? Yeah, yeah. That's right, zero could not. I forgot about that part. Yeah, yeah. I was I was I was I was questioning. Yeah. Tell us about your background, man. So where you from, man? What was your upbringing like as a kid?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Man, born in Angridge, Alaska, got to LA at like three or four years old, told my mom I wanted to be an actor, and what I really meant by that, like I just saw I I love film and and and TV as a kid. So I'd be watching him like I want to do that. Like I just felt like stories were being told. So we had no way of understanding how to even start this journey. And um we just figured it out as we went, and we just started doing these auditions, and there was a commercial thing here, then there was uh Family Law television show, then there was Friday after next, and then holes happened, and then you know, things have never been the same since. But I've always been a huge, huge creative. So I'm very thankful to still be in this business and love what I do every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:07

So okay, so Friday after next is is is is pre-holes. How old are you on Friday after next?

SPEAKER_02 4:12

11 or 12? Sheesh. Yeah. Crazy, crazy experience, bro. Like crazy experience because it's this is a franchise that we all know. We've already seen Friday and Next Friday. So they're doing a Christmas thing, and they they had so many scenes with kids, and they end up cutting a lot of them. Right. So when I finally saw the movie, I was like, holy shit, I made it? Because, bro, they cut so many scenes out. Yeah. So uh it was me and Daniel Curtis Lee, who is the actor from Ned Classified. Me and him are having the scene together with uh Uncle Elroy, and uh I remember getting really bit by what's the actor who plays Uncle Elroy? Uh D.C. Curry. Yeah. Yo, D. Did he really bit you? No, he really bit me. He really bit me. And what's the actress who plays Sugar and Next Friday?

SPEAKER_07 5:00

Uh Sugar is Kim Whitley?

SPEAKER_02 5:02

Kim Whitley. Kim Whitley. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 5:05

And Next Friday. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah, it's Kim. I guess okay, it's Kim and I. I think it's Kim Whitley who plays uh Sugar and Next Friday. His girl. Yeah. Man, she recently told a story about him smacking her ass for real. I saw it. Like shot after shot, take after take. And as soon as I saw it, I had to put a video up. I'm like, I also have had to share a scene with DC Curry and had to walk away with some physical marks because he really did bite me in that scene, bro.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

He's a uh he's a method. He's method out 100%.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

He got into the full Pitbull form, bro.

SPEAKER_07 5:37

That's crazy because uh DC's my my mentor, man. I was on a road with DC for maybe six, seven years. Uh yeah, so that that that kinship is hilarious. It's like the six degrees.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

That close, bro. He bit you for real. He bit me for real. If you watch that scene back, bro, I did a whole video slowing it down, like you see my reaction. Like I was like, oh, he's really biting me. Oh, okay. Could do about it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:04

Did he break skin?

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Yes. Yes. What's wrong with that? It's not a joke, bro. He really bit me, bro. DC, if I ever see you again, bro. The first thing I'm bringing up.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

DC, like you ain't doing, bro. I'm an old veteran.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

OG, I respect you for what you did, but I'll never forget you bite me, dog. Never once.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

All right, he go put one of them one of them suits over your head and hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 6:28

Um, so being a part of a franchise that big, I know you have to feel that initial wave of that crazy energy. How is it at that time? Because you're you're young, man. It's trying to trying to navigate the world with this newfound aggressive attention.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Yeah. Like with Friday, the the coolest thing about that set was obviously working with Cube and Mike Epps. And I got a chance to say, like, Cat Williams wasn't who Cat Williams was yet, right? But I got a chance to just watch him that day when he's walking out with the uh with the blade and get snatched up by by uh by uh Mike and Ice Cube. And I I thought it was the funniest thing in the world to me, bro. And then to see the trajectory of his career even after that, it was it was everything. But the coolest part to me, really, as a kid, was just getting a chance to go to school with the uh cast and crew jacket. I didn't know I was gonna get one. That's this really cool. I still have it. It's all green, it's a rebock vintage jacket, and it has the Friday after next logo on the back of it with the Santa Claus running. It's the black Santa. I still have that jacket. I love it, bro. So like little things like that mean more to me than than everything, bro.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

I I damn near almost fell out with my friends over Friday after next. Why is that? Because we I was in high school, I think I was like junior, senior in high school, and we all said we were going to the movies to see Friday after next. You know, I'ma want to be a comedian, I'm you know, all these comedians in the movie. And then when we get there, one of my homeboys is like, and it was some girls with us too, I believe. And my homeboy was like, oh yeah, we go see James Bond. And I was like, but I I thought we was, I thought we all agreed that we was gonna see Friday after next. What you had a list for you after next? Baby, you gotta live, bro. I thought we was gonna die. Nah, we did we discussed it. And then you discussed it without me. You know, we discussed it, we gonna see James Bond. They want to see James Bond. I was like, I said, but fuck y'all niggas then. And I went and watched Friday after next by myself in the movie theaters, bro. Yeah, in your time. And and man, I was glad I did it. And I said, fuck them niggas then. And fuck no, I'm joking.

SPEAKER_07 8:36

And James Brawn at that time too. But it's been some bullshit. The James Bond.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

I think it was still Pierce, right? Pierce Brosnan was still the Bond, because it wasn't Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 8:45

They got hype after Craig. Y'all fucked up. Yeah, man. Fumble on y'all part, you know, whatever. Anyways, back to you. Yeah, man. That's the journey. Uh so how far? Okay, so we got we got holes. We have how far is roll bounce after this?

SPEAKER_02 9:00

Rollbounce is like uh two years later. Because it went holes, then walking tall, and then roll bounce. Oh, you was killed, man. Yeah, I was yeah, man. Yeah, bro. Every summer we would we were we were booked, man, and I loved it because my my brothers were on summer vacation at that time. So the whole family is just coming to the city. Where do you fall in the in the lineup of your siblings? I'm the oldest. Okay. Yeah, man, I'm the oldest. So it's really cool. It was an incredible experience, bro. To go and shoot Walking Tall in Vancouver with The Rock. I'm a huge WWE guy, and that was a dream come true, just to play video games with him on set. And then we get Roll Bounce. We shot that for four months in Chicago. We just celebrated the 20th anniversary of that this year. It's uh 20 years. 20 years of Roll Bounce. That's a classic, man. And it, bro, I talk about it all the time, just the cast. Like, bro, our cast is stacked. Jeez, because that's everybody.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

As Bowed as Brad Itch Jackson, he's pulling up on the show. Bro. You know what I wanted to ask about Rollbounce? Uh uh who got the most bitches on set.

SPEAKER_06 10:03

I ain't the way.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

I don't recall. Recall that era.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

You know, somebody got a lot of bitches. Cause you have Bow Wow at his Bow Wow is, but you got you got you, you got the light skin with the good hair, you got Brandon T, he the funny one. You see what I'm saying? So it's a toss-up.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Dog, it was it was a lot of fun, bro. It was a lot of fun. Which is that at? Chicago. Chicago, bro. We spent the entire summertime in Chicago. It was my first time being there. And it was crazy to do it in the summertime. And then we had to come back to do like reshoots. And I came back in December, and I was like, oh shit. This is a completely different city. It that cold shit is real. Coming from LA, I ain't never felt that. I was like, okay. Y'all can keep this shit. I will only come here in the summertime. Only. Are you a skater beforehand? Yep. I had the uh you guys remember the play school skates? Yeah, yeah. The blue ones with the yellow. Oh, bro. I had those as a kid growing up. So thankful, you know, for mom and my dad for being like, yeah, just let them do anything. So being able to do uh that was a part of the screen test was actually skating. So they had us do one audition, then the callback. And as many of y'all know, you know how this game, this game goes, but the screen test day was insane because I walked in and I felt like nobody got eliminated. Everyone was still there. And I'm talking the entire young black Hollywood, whether you were an actor, singer, rapper, dancer, whatever was there. So they do the screen test, they pull in everybody in and out of the room, testing stuff, and then they come out and they're like, all right, guys, so meet you guys at World on Wheels in about an hour. Everyone goes to World on Wheels to see who can and cannot skate. A few people could, a few people couldn't. And bro, that was the experience, man. I remember me, uh, Marcus Polk, and I can't remember who else.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Oh god, Marcus is in there too. Can I go through the cast?

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Can I go through the cast very quickly? Bao, Marcus Polk, Rick Gonzalez, Megan Good, Jerny Smolette, myself, Wesley Jonathan, Nick Cannon, Wayne Brady, Chai McBride, Stack, Mike Epps, Charlie Murphy.

SPEAKER_06 12:21

That's a cast, bro. Bro, it is insane. This is coming to America levels of a cast fit.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

I don't know how they pulled that off, bro. I don't know how. But damn the case.

SPEAKER_07 12:29

They had a period piece, too.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Yeah. Yeah, bro. In the 70s. Our castle stacked.

SPEAKER_05 12:34

I don't know Wesley Jonathan. Yeah, man. Wesley Jonathan, I feel like he was the quiet assassin. Because he was super in shape in that movie, too. Yeah. He was before Michael B. Jordan. He was the first young nigga that took his shirt off.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

They liked Wesley. Right. They liked Wesley. They liked Wesley, bro.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

Because I remember when I watched it, I was like, he made me uncomfortable. I was like, oh, oh, oh. This nigga got breast. He got a breast. He had chest breasts. He was dead serious about his physique, bro.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

He was dead serious about his physique. He took that serious on that set, bro. He really did.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

So then took to your question earlier, then we are you nominating Wesley for the most? Who had the most?

SPEAKER_02 13:15

You know, I don't recall exactly who got away with the most or nothing the most. I don't remember. If it comes to me, I'll make sure that it comes to me as we talk about it. It might be that.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

I did have a serious question though. What do you think was the key to your auditionings for you to book so consistently? You know.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

In big movies like that. I think it was the timing and I think it was the look. To be quite honest, bro. Like I've talked about this before. I think that there were we we have a lot more black people in power within our entertainment industry now than we did when I was younger. So I do think that me just being ah, he looks he looks apart. And he can he can go back and forth, he can improv, he already has a resume. Alright, you know, I think that was a part of it. And I think of like how the industry has changed over time. We have so many more black people in positions of power within our industry. So like when we say that when we want to hear and and see black stories being told, you are seeing more people who look like you guys in the room. You feel me? As I've gotten older, like I can s I can call it like when I see my facial features, my eyes, like I look more like my mom's people. Like my mom's Moroccan, right? Dad black from Corpus Christi, Texas, and I remember watching the the World Cup and they they panned to the crowd because Africa uh I think Morocco was the first country in Africa to make like the final four. So they panned to the crowd, and I saw nothing but Moroccans in the crowd for the first time on a TV screen. I was like, if I look like that on a TV screen, I'll never book another black role. It'd never happen. Because that like just visually, you understand what I'm saying? I'm not saying that, but just the visual of it alone, I'm like, oh shit. That's family, but I got some other stuff in me. Exactly. Like there's like none of these people could play a black character. And I see that as positioning as far as visually. Got it. I think that's was the you know, maybe a part of the case then. Yeah. So that's my that's my theory.

SPEAKER_07 15:15

How did you stay grounded? Because this much success this early could have easily turned you into a terror, uh, a tragic story of a child star. Like, this could have went a totally different way. And you still killing shit, you still out here, you good people, you kinda lay Thank you, bro.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Family, bro. I have a solid foundation. It's family. Like mom and pops really they didn't expect their oldest son's dream to take off that quick, and they figured it out. They were figuring out as it was going, you know. And I got, like I said, two little brothers, a little sister, uh, the four controllers, four controllers with a K, by the way. Make sure you're following us on all social media platforms. Uh it's that, man. It's it's that. It's just a solid foundation. And you and you also, you know, you learn from the future, you learn from other people's mistakes. You know?

SPEAKER_07 16:06

Yes. But you're saying that the foundation of how your parents were for you, because at some point you are I don't even know what your mom and dad do, but I know you was making good money. And at some point, you could have become uh the controlling voice in the house, because that's normally what happens where it all goes awry. Yeah. So something is within your character that made you not be like, all right, mom, I've heard enough. Because that could go away.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Yeah, great, great point. And let me just I'm gonna tell you a story. I've heard enough. I did a McDonald's commercial when I was like seven or eight years old, right? Yes. And it was me and this other kid, and it this was a white kid. And this white kid was wilding on his mom at like the craft service table. And I couldn't believe it. I like and I didn't I I'm seeing this for the first time. I'm like, I've never seen no one talk like this to an adult. And I look at my mom, my mom was already staring at me before I even made the adjustment to let me know. Try me. I wish you would. That's all I needed. Better than that. That, and you know, Pops was, you know, Pops, I gotta give it to him, you know, military guy. So, yes, ma'am, no ma'am, yes, sir, no sir, is how I was raised. So it was really that, bro. Solid foundation, seeing the landscape and not wanting to deal with the antics that would come with this. Because, yeah, it is a responsibility. We see how many, how many horror stories have we seen? Yeah. Last night, I I got a chance to go to the Fallout uh season two premiere, and I see McCaulay Culkin. I looked up to Taj Maury and Macaulay Culkin growing up. I met Taj a few times. Taj actually told this story, he's the one that put it out there. They were honoring him at D23 for the 25th anniversary of Smart Guy. And I get a chance to interview him on the stage. Bro, Smart Guy's a classic. Yeah, absolutely. And he let it be known. He was like, You, you know, I just want to let everyone know. He beat me out for holes. He put that out there. I couldn't believe it. Because like we're celebrating you. This ain't about me. Right, right. And he made sure to like, yo, and say that because I'll never forget I saw the list and I saw Bower, I saw Taj Mari, I saw Orlando, I saw names I recognized for that were, you know, in the last look, little round for holes. And he put that out there, man. So to answer your question, it was uh I saw Macaulay Cogan last night, and I had to go say hello to him. I had to, because in my opinion, that's that was the number one guy. Yeah. Coming from this position, if we've done it at that age, he was the number one guy.

SPEAKER_05 18:34

Macaulay Culkin, did you have y'all seen him recently? He has.

SPEAKER_07 18:39

Uh Macaulay. I I see obviously we see his brother all the time. Oh, yeah. I saw him in a commercial recently. But yeah, yeah. I'm gonna keep my opinion to myself.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

I don't know. I'm like, what photo did you see? Because my man got his stone on Hollywood Walk of Fame. Yeah. He got Brenda Song on his arm. He got a beautiful family. No, no, no. I'm talking about just ext aesthetically his face. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

But did he get his work done? No, it need maybe he should. Oh my God. But anyway, no, no, you're a good guy. I have a I have a battle.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

No, we're doing either. We're we're but we're following with you. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 19:16

I'm just saying, after but puberty happens, you know, and people will grow up, they don't always look as adorable as they did. Yeah. You lucked up. Genetically, I think I looked up, yeah. You turned out to be a very handsome young man. I appreciate that. You're handsome. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm saying? Macaulay. Macaulay, on the other hand, some some g some genetic, some chromosomes.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_05 19:42

You know. But it don't, it ain't about me. Oh man. Shout out to Macaulay Calgate. I watch his shit every year. You know, I'm a I watch Home Alone.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

That ain't going, that ain't going nowhere, man. The Home Alone.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Yeah. And the fact that he even came out and started doing interviews, and then I think he he put it out there that in his contract for Home Alone 2, he had uh back end on that forever.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

I said, oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Never mind. All that talk about, oh, hot child actor, blah, blah, I'm like cursed shit. Bro, if he's been tucked off good all these years, why would he have to pop out?

SPEAKER_03 20:16

That's a fact. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 20:16

Now I don't know the visual things that you're talking about, but if you have that kind of financial success that early on, I don't know what kind of life you decide to live, baby. I'm I'm 15. Bro. I'm 15 and there's I don't have limits. Like, like I don't have uh the the the burden of uh of finance. I don't have so the uh the world opens up in a different way, and the world being open for that way take a toll on anybody. Anybody.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Yeah. Grown folks can't even handle the pressures that come with a platform in the spotlight, let alone a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:59

So I'm I'm just uh boy, this is a little. How you think he looks? You see his face. Well, I'm scrolling over and he was uh, you know. No, don't scroll over. Look at the one I see.

SPEAKER_05 21:17

No, no, we talk about this one. How you look at him, look at him.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Look, hey, look, look, look, he did it, and look at the one came right back. He tried to make it leave Mac alone, bro. Leave Mac alone, bro.

SPEAKER_05 21:34

Leave Mac alone, but how old is he?

SPEAKER_07 21:39

We go, I don't like 42. He I mean, let's just call he's white, you guys. It's just he's white. You know white people's face.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

It just Look at his face. It's the edge. You seen it yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

I don't know about, yeah, he didn't look like the one on the right. He looked like the one on the left yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

I don't know what this is.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

He looked like he looked on the left yesterday for sure, man. He's 45, yeah. Might be 80.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

45.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Bobby five for fifty.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

And K and bread it up.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

You got money though. Bread it up. With money like that, who needs a place? That's Wedagu. Bread it up. We can eat Wedago for 30 years.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Man.

SPEAKER_06 22:13

Lobster for 30 years look crazy.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

You need that process chicken. We love to have you.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Bring back in, bro. Tell the mic pull up over here to kill it again.

SPEAKER_05 22:27

Please pull up on killing it. We love to have you.

SPEAKER_07 22:30

So when you also uh you uh you you fill a time and a void of nostalgia for people. Yeah. You're uh a legend of an era.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_07 22:42

What does that feel like today?

SPEAKER_02 22:44

It feels great, man. Like the acting, like the acting journey, right? There's there's actors who've been at this for years and don't have a role in their resume that's memorable. You feel me? We look at guys like Giancarlo Esposito didn't get his real run into the last these last three years. Yeah, yeah. Breaking bad. Breaking bad breaking bad put him back out, cool. Like, oh, this is this is a guy. He's been here. He's been doing this. Right earlier, but it just takes that Walter Goggins, same thing. Walter Goggins comes in, he's the uh the ghoul and fallout. He's been at this for years, right? But it takes that role to really put you over for you to be memorable no matter what. I got that out of the way at 13. Zero lives forever. That's a required reading book in schools, and these teachers let these kids read the book and watch the movie right after. I got lucky to have a role in my resume that can stand the test of time. Right. We're 23 years away. Right. Still lives. So grateful. Without a doubt, grateful. I embrace it 100%.

SPEAKER_07 23:47

Yes, Anne. Because you also existed in other aspects. Because then there's touring with Bao. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Crazy. That's a crazy experience.

SPEAKER_07 23:59

So, so because Bao is one of those entities that exist like that. No, Bao is a legend. Yeah. And he exists in a very specific. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just the time, you know. Oh, the 80s, oh, so great. 70s was amazing. 90s. And then they just act like that's where everything stopped. I'm like, no, wait a minute. No. No, the 2000s were fantastic. Yeah, they are. They were amazing. And we have our leg legends. We have our great stuff. When you're on this tour, would Bao at that time. How's good?

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Do you know him before Rollbounds? We do roll bounce together first. That's where you meet? Yeah. First time we meet on a set of rollbounce, play video games, became great friends. We wrapped the project and he's like, yo, I want you to come on tour. And I'm like, I don't, huh? Like the only time I've done music, like I wrote the theme song for For Hoes. I wrote Dig It. But you're talking about going on tour and doing what? And Dog, I there's there's nothing I can say or do to ever repay him for that experience. Because this is a guy who'd been doing arenas since he was 13. This was his third arena tour after Roll Bounce. And he's returning back to it. So he didn't need a hype man. He don't he don't need no one up there with him. But he chose to allow me to be his right-hand man in this space, and it was an experience. Like it's one thing to be famous. It's one thing to walk down the street and people know who you are. It's a whole other thing to stand in this arena at 16 and see Madison Square Garden sold out two nights in a row. Right. And you're the main event. And we run through the show, and then when he says your name, the entire arena is like zero.

SPEAKER_06 25:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

And you gotta think like this before social media. So no one knows really that Cleo Thomas has joined Bao on this tour because they have a movie coming out called Rollbounce. No one knows that. So I just hit the stage and then people are like, wait. I know that guy. Is that? And then about 15 minutes into the show, he do an introduction for this DJ, this DJ, and then he says my name and the whole arena lights up. And that's a different level of like I understood why wrestlers forever chase that high of being back out there to hear the music hit one more time to get one more match off. I understood why these rock stars toured forever. Because there's nothing like that experience, bro. Nothing.

SPEAKER_05 26:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

You have any like stories that happen, like behind the scenes that the chicks had snuck onto our tour bus and we didn't find out into the next city. What? That was weird. Okay, good. That was weird, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. There was a junk bunk. Like, it's again, first time touring, so I'm learning all about the little tricks and the trade. So there's a a uh a bunk that you just keep yourself that media get to, like a carry-on on an airport. About two hours into the ride, like I hear something, and I'm like, I know it's just only like me, Just, Just's dad, my dad, and like the the wardrobe girl. So who the hell is so I jump down off to a bump. I pull it open, it's two girls then snuck on this tour bus. Wow. I don't know why and how like what what was the next thought for them?

SPEAKER_05 27:10

I guess they were trying to suck some penis. But but before we get there, and it probably like they sneak them suck penis, but before we get there, how did they look? It looked amazing. So they was okay. It was good.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

It was good. But that was took them off immediately. Bro, we pulled over immediately. Had to get them off. No penis. No, no, that's get them off. What is it? 16? Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 27:41

How old were they?

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Probably 18 and 19. Yeah, bro. That was the wildest thing to me to see chicks sneak on a bus. Didn't unlike, I don't understand the logic till today. Like, what were you gonna do? How were you gonna get back home? You just disappeared. Just disappeared. You just disappeared, and this was okay. And this is after roll bounce? This is after roll bounce.

SPEAKER_07 28:03

But but okay, wait a minute. Wait, because you just said something and it and it triggers something. You're right. Bow Wow, since the since is that Arsenio? When Snoop brings him on Arsenio and he's just out there just sticking a cup of things. But he's like, I don't know, six or some shit. He's very, very young. Or Apollo, whatever that show is, he's out there performing by himself. Yep. He is already a megastar touring by himself. He's he then changes that to say, I want you to go out with me. I don't think he ever had another hype man after it was you, and then I don't know if anything else happened.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

He had a hype man before him, which was like a grown-ass guy that was with him, like when he first went out on Rock and Road. So again, I I'll there's nothing I can say or do to ever thank him for that experience. Because there's nothing I could have ever done acting-wise to be able to get that.

SPEAKER_07 28:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

And the tool set that he gave me from that rope, bro, I'm forever grateful. Because how many people can say that they've stood on a stage and sold out arenas, a part of the main event, and be able to put on a performance? Like, bro, I can't get that from the acting, son. What's something you learned from that experience? Man, how to put together a show and how to take a crowd on a ride. Like, you go out there and you think it's just hype, hype, hype, hype, hype. Like hype, song, hype, song. Crowd participation. No, it's hit them high, bring them back down, slow it down for them. All right. Bet you if you want to have a little intercut here, talk to the crowd here, bring someone on stage, cool, and then always got to go out with the bang. Always got to leave them one or more.

SPEAKER_07 29:37

And and you the Bao's an amazing performer. I've been to this uh Millennium Tour multiple times. And I'm not I'm not gassing it. No, no. Bao is one of the best performers in hip hop. Right where you put LL and Bus, you should probably put him up there. He's always been able to do that very, very well. Yeah. I'd agree with that. I'm dead ass. Yeah. And and hey, hey, argue with yourself. Uh the bad design. Yeah. Cause I, you know, I've I'm records of uh me being online saying Bal was a legend and going back and forth from people, I was like, bro, he whatever he what he did, nobody did it after he did it. So kiss my ass. It's like he they've tried to recreate this and it has failed. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Hearing, like going on tour with him, and then like when we go to the cities and seeing him have to go into radio stations and do the promo, and these are guys and girls in the in these stations who've known him since he was a kid, and hearing their stories about what it was like the first album or second album of his era walking in there and the pandemonium around this kid. What Bieber was was what he really was to a generation. Exactly. And it wasn't like I heard the stories, and I think we were in Atlanta, and someone had like an old VHS tape of it. And it was the entire parking lot of the station for him at like 1415. So it was like it's arenas, bro. Arenas are that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 31:05

Not House of Blues, not clubs. We're talking arenas.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Shout out to JD.

SPEAKER_07 31:09

Hey, hey you, hey you. I want you to think of your favorite rapper. And I want you to just name about five or ten of them. And I'm pretty sure six of them ain't doing arenas. Headlining arena tour. Wait, till this day.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Till this day. I got back from Japan um, I want to say in April. And Bao gives me a call. He's like, yo, we haven't done our thing in a while. Come pull up to um, it was at the the forum.

SPEAKER_07 31:34

It was him and uh that's definitely where I was going.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Bro.

SPEAKER_07 31:36

It was him and who else? Um No, this is the Millennium Tour, because I was there.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

This is the one that just passed.

SPEAKER_07 31:41

This one just passed. This is the Rick Roth. This is Trey. Yep. This is uh this is Omarion. Omarion. Yeah, this is Trey and O'Marion. And it's like uh Yin Yay Twins is always there.

SPEAKER_05 31:51

Um you ever had Trey Songs look into your ass? So fucking stupid. No. I ain't I've never had you got a story you want to share? I mean, I shared on another story. It doesn't need to be rehashed.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Is it similar to like what Prince were looking to be with?

SPEAKER_05 32:08

It's kind of like the Jamie Fox Prince situation.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Looked into the deepest, darkest depths.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

I I was opposed from the beginning. There was no woo in me. Okay. There was no woo in me. I just the way he looked at me, you know. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't I just didn't know. It was a lot of niggas on two, I'm I didn't know. I didn't know he had a lot of shoes from them. So go go for it. What were you saying?

SPEAKER_07 32:37

No, so I'm saying uh you step out of the store and you don't miss a beat. In all honesty, y'all didn't miss a beat.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

No.

SPEAKER_07 32:45

It felt exactly how it's always been. You was right in the pocket, you knew exactly y'all was in the same spots. I was like, remember when uh Dipset uh went against the locks. The locks. And when you're watching this, you say, oh, the locks are bad boy artists who know how to do this. They know how to perform, they are very comfortable. You see Jada and Styles go back to back. I was like, they very comfortable here. Y'all were very comfortable. Dog. How are you still in rhythm?

SPEAKER_02 33:11

I I I learned from him. Yeah. So it was locked in. Like there was no rehearsal. He showed up. I showed up, talked backstage for 20, 25 minutes, go time, go. And we were right back to it, bro. It felt crazy. Were you interested in music before you you guys, you two connected? Yeah, yeah, because I wrote the theme song for Hulse, and then I had a I had an uncle up in Stockton, California, and I we used to drive all the way up there to record in the studio, bro. Do you own the publishing for that? For Hulse? Yeah. No, Disney wasn't letting that up. Come on, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:41

Disney wasn't that one up. Okay, I didn't mean to cut off his questions up.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Disney wasn't letting that one up. But uh, yeah, music was something that always interested me, and then, you know, I got a chance, like I said, to learn from him. And then go go ahead. The moment that, you know, technology caught up to the point where you didn't need a studio, how I had seen it. Like, you know, I'm going down the South Side in Atlanta and I'm seeing JD's studio. I'm like, this is what it takes to make a hit record. And then the technology just shrunk down, and it's like, oh, I can just do this in my closet. So invested my money, boom, built out my little studio, and then went on my race music-wise and had a blast, bro. Had a blast on the solo side.

SPEAKER_07 34:17

So, so, so, because you were also, were you signing him at one point in time, to Bao?

SPEAKER_02 34:22

We never did anything like on paperwork. Nah. It was just run and gun, and we were figuring out the side.

SPEAKER_07 34:26

So I saw the Nicki Minaj thing.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 34:28

Uh so Nikki uh on her one of her early projects, I want to say it's Beat Me Up Scotty, uh, has a song called Seeing Green, and it's it was a re-release.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

So I think she rolled out very close. She rolled out, I guess, like the the anniversary of the mixtape and put a new record on there with her, Drake, and Wayne uh called Seeing Green. And it's the same beat I had, it's the same sample. I had worked with Soldier Boy for quite some time, and How was that, man? It was fun. It was Soldier was again like this guy ahead of his time. Like he saw the landscape changing. He used social media to his best advantage, YouTube-wise, Myspace-wise. I used to sit over his shoulder and just watch him upload songs and then how he would upload them. The tags he would use. He was using SEO stuff way before anyone else. He knew how to spread the word out there. So uh there was a song I did when I was underneath it underneath working with him called In My Soul, and it was the same sample, right? The song comes out. I'm excited because I'm a Nikki fan too. I'm excited to see her drop new stuff, and then she drops a bar, and I'm like, wait, this is exactly what I say. So I don't I don't literally tweet or say anything. I just record the part, then record my face, and then I record the year I put mine out and record the year she put hers out and say anything. I woke up the next morning. That was everything. Cleo Thomas claims that Nicki Dodge stole a bar. I'm like, whoa! Isn't that what you said? Never did I say that. But I'm not dealing with that, that, nope, not that fan base. Nope.

SPEAKER_07 35:57

Yeah, no, but yeah, it's like it wasn't even nothing to argue about. Because you didn't, I didn't, I didn't even see that. I heard the song and I was like, wait a minute. And and I didn't feel like it was a still, it it didn't feel like, oh, I'm still in this. It's like, no, there's a there's a it's the beat. That's where I was like, oh, I said, no, this is the same sample, this is the same. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 36:17

Yeah. So you think she got the beat from Soldier Boy? Like, where where would she get the beat from?

SPEAKER_02 36:22

I uh that's uh it's a Heather Heather what's what's the artist's name? Heather Heather something. But she, yeah, that that crescendo at the end of her song is like really what makes that beat. It's that sample in it. So it's the same sample, that's all it really is. I don't know, like anyone could have made that record. Yeah. Okay anybody.

SPEAKER_07 36:39

So, so uh what is your relationship like with music?

SPEAKER_02 36:42

It's dead. It's dead. I don't know. You feel like you've done it? I did it. With the moment I heard my lyrics rap back to me on stage when I did the song called Five on It, we blew it up during the Vine era, and then I went on the slick living tour and sold out 14 cities all by myself. Like that felt good. Wow. That felt great. And the moment I heard those lyrics rap back to me, when I knew I wrote those just in my room, I was like, oh, never mind. Mission accomplished. I don't I don't want to do and run through it. Not only that, the music industry is is a is a monster, especially at the time I was even doing it. Right. The things were changing. We went from record labels controlling everything, which they still do to an extent, but there was a change of the guard when the internet hit. Like radio PDs couldn't break artists anymore because the internet was breaking them. And then iHeart gets involved, and now they're like, all right, you guys can only play what we tell you to play. So like I was in that space of music, and I'm still trying to do it the old school way. Medium radio PDs, investing my own money to go and do the radio promo run, and I was like, this is not gonna turn out in the same way as quickly. So that was my, you know, that was my experience with music.

SPEAKER_05 37:50

People don't talk about that, like how much producing music costs. Like I was doing music for a while, and part of the reason why I stopped was like, that's the studio time, it ain't even just the studio time, it's paying to promote the song. And so people don't realize like how much money you have to spend. Let's say if you do like a clip of your uh song, like you do a music video and you cut it into like a 30-second, one-minute clip, and you want to promote it on Instagram, but for you to really like put it out there, like you gotta break bread to do that. And I feel like that's why the music labels, um, why people feel like they need music labels, because I feel like they're the ones that's really paying for the promotion. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

No, I agree. Like you have to put up a shit ton to make a hit record. Yep. Period. Like period. Nothing is organic. Something can blow up, people know it, but it needs to get to the radio, then you need to have the ad placements for it. No independent artists is walking on SNL, bro. You feel me? Like they're not performing. That's not how that works. That'll never happen. That's my view of it.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

Yeah. So, okay, so in in that world, I wanna I wanna kind of pivot some. Okay. There's this amazing film career. We got Toon Bao, we got what's saying, and then we have uh more, I don't want to say now, but a lot of things that are happening now. How and what what what happens when you make the gear shift or the change to go into influencer, brand ambassador, like how how do we get there? What what happened? Shit.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

You adapt or perish, bro. You adapt or you die. And LA is one of those cities where everyone moved here, especially like I feel like I was a part of the last generation of old school Hollywood rules where everything was like, this is the rule book, this is how it works, period. If you want to be an actor, you want to be a musician, you're here. And the labels and the networks and the TV shows and studios, they make the star. The moment I saw the landscape change, when I saw more people having more influence through YouTube, I was like, oh, okay. That changes everything. All right. And then do you remember Ustream?

SPEAKER_07 39:55

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

I was one of the first people to get a Ustream deal because I saw the landscape changing. I said, why would I only worry about being invited to a talk show and only gonna be there for that amount of time when I could just do this three days a week and I'm getting all the eyeballs here. And if I want to sell a t-shirt, I can do that here. So it was that, bro, it was just seeing the landscape and making sure to adapt. Because as everyone in this room knows, if that that phone doesn't ring, you don't eat. You know? So being able to really see what I had accomplished to a certain point and looking around like, uh, a week has gone by, a week turned into a month, a month turned into two months. Wow. And I'm looking like uh this this can't be my life. I cannot sit around here waiting for permission to be creative and go to work. I gotta figure this out. So it was just the adapting of it all, man, and I've always been a huge gamer. Right before we went into the pandemic, I was getting ready to have my own late night talk show. I had pitched the the network on the idea of like we don't have a modern-day Arsenio Hall, just what I want to do. Cool, getting ready to shoot the pilot. Pandemic hit, so that gets stripped away.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

Oh, so this was recent.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Yeah, this is the same.

SPEAKER_05 41:00

2019?

SPEAKER_02 41:00

2020 when the um, yeah, uh when the talk show thing was in motion. Which network? Uh Fox Soul at the time. Wow. Yeah. Because they were trying, they were just, you know, they were open to anything new. And I had the concept, I wanted to live studio audience thing with it. Obviously, we can't do that because of the pandemic, so that's gone. So I always had a love for gaming, and I just I combined my love for gaming and every idea I had for that talk show. Launched my Twitch channel the third month of the pandemic, and it's been up ever since, bro.

SPEAKER_07 41:27

Damn right it is, man. It's been up. Because y'all feel like you now, I I had this conversation with Pat too. I feel like you are one of the early adapters for Patrick Twitch. Yeah. I'm sorry. First name basically you know, me, Denzel, all my friends. But um have having the I feel like you're one of the early adapters to to Twitch. If not, you're definitely one of the early adapters in my my world. Is is that true? Out of our immediate circle? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Yeah, out of our immediate circle, I I there wasn't anyone around me that was doing it. Okay. But the moment I figured it out, I I just I put my brother on the phone, Pat, everybody close. I'm like, this is what we gotta do. And this was during the pandemic, you wouldn't do nothing anyway. Turn the computer on, let's play together, cool, in the gaming space, but it it's more than that. I always saw it as more than that. I always saw it as like this is a platform where if you wanted to have a talk show and you wanted to make content, you're not just worried about, excuse me, you're not just worried about doing the skits on your phone now. Like you can talk about whatever you want at any time. Yes. So make it your show. So it was that for me, man. It was it was that journey. It's been a hell of a thing, bruh. Being on the front page of Twitch. Um I'll share this with you guys. Like, I've never talked about this publicly. So being with the acting resume, right? You would think, or most people would assume, like, okay, so you're at a bigger agency, right? My agent originally worked at Twitch. After the first six months of me being on Twitch, he gives me a call. He's like, hey, I'd love to set up a meeting with you and let you know, like, maybe you should try this. Try just giving me tips on how to do this better. Cool, took all of them. Applied them, went up from there. About a year later, he ends up getting signed to WME because they opened up a gaming division in New York. He gives me a call, he's like, Hey, I just got this job. I would love to represent you at William Morris as a gamer. I said, Dope. I'm now at WME as a gamer, great. Biggest agency in our industry, I'm with it. He calls me back a week later and he's like, so they found out who you are, and now they want to represent you across the board. So I backdoored my way into the biggest agency in our industry via gaming. So it's like the rules do not apply. Figure out how to make these things work for you. That's that's as simple as it gets. Crazy to me, bro. I would have never thought that'd been my journey. We're here now, baby. We talked.

SPEAKER_05 43:52

What were some of the tips or or not even back then? What's the current tips would you give somebody if somebody wanted to start streaming now? And get their numbers up. What's some tips that you could give someone?

SPEAKER_02 44:04

The landscape changed even from when I started, right? Everyone was at home. IRL streaming is taking off. They just had the streamer awards two days ago. Kai Sonat, Speed, Valkyrie, Pokimane, like it's shifted. So it has become so much of a variety period. It's not just gaming. Everyone's a variety streamer now. And they're doing things to top each other and go all over the board. Like, big thank you to Hasbro for having me at Mafia Thon 3 with Kai. I got to be the referee for the Beyblade tournament at his house, which was insane. But just because I'm a huge like toy guy. Yeah. I'm a huge collector. And worked with Hasbro in the past. So they sent me in there to do that. But to answer your question, as far as tips go, you schedule it. A lot of people jump into it thinking it's like I'm just gonna stream either 24 hours straight or I'm gonna try it a little bit, and because I don't have the instant satisfaction of what an Instagram like gives me, I'm done. I've seen I saw so many people do it that way. Set a schedule, stick to it, at least stream for three hours, give people variety, give it, make it a show. Don't just sit there and expect it to work for you. Make it a show. You're the star. You're you finally have your platform, you finally have your spotlight. What are you gonna do with it? I challenge them to do it that way.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

You know, that's something you you gotta tap into because you already go on live anyways. Yeah. But to find a way to get it on Twitch and make it something consistently.

SPEAKER_07 45:25

Oh, I mean, because he's live all the time, but he's live all the time, but mostly on Instagram. And it always feels like uh what I know about the the Twitch community is a extremely supportive community. Community. They they they support like kind of everything you do, and if you're on if you're on Twitch live, this is a place for live, for being live anyway. Instagram is not that. So it's like when you're over there live, they're like, oh no, we're here. What you want to do? We're here.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

They're locked in, they want to see the show. They want to see the show.

SPEAKER_05 45:55

Hold on, one last question. How many times a week?

SPEAKER_02 45:59

Uh three. I would say three.

SPEAKER_05 46:00

Three times a week. That's what I stuck to. Minimum three hours. Yep. There you go. And and pick a time to do it.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Stick to it.

SPEAKER_05 46:07

Is that how you avoid burnout?

SPEAKER_02 46:09

That burnout question. I don't I I can't answer it. I'm different. I hate like I I don't hate when people ask me that, but it's like I don't I don't relate to it. I've never related to burnout. Right. Because I've never gotten tired of it. Like, again, my my inspiration was the fact that I can't sit here and wait for this phone to ring. Right, right. So there is no burnout. I haven't reached and done everything I've wanted to do. So until it's that, we up.

SPEAKER_07 46:33

Yeah, I I I I've seen the creative uh fatigue thing, but I think if maybe if you're using it, it's probably like any other job. If you're using it as a means to money, if you say, I need some money, everybody's streaming and they're making money. You know, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna stream for 24 hours a day for six months until I get somebody. It's like, well, yeah, you're gonna probably burn yourself out. You don't have no passion about this. You you're fully shaping shows, having a concept, okay. I might talk about this for an hour, we'll see what happens. I I know I want to touch on this, I want to touch on this, da da this, and by this time I'm gonna go eat. I got some other stuff to do, and then you go live your life. Yeah, man. But you make sure you're committed to the workflow. Yep. Good breakdown.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Hey, go on. Get it down. Come on, BT. Come on, BT.

SPEAKER_05 47:15

Come on, BT.

SPEAKER_06 47:16

That's a clip.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

When are we doing RB hour? When are we doing RB hour? When are you gonna come on and talk RB with me?

SPEAKER_06 47:22

When in the time.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

In the time. RB. Yeah, we yeah, I'm this is my guy. Yeah, we we talk RB. Any RB thing, I'm going right to BT because I know that's his world. We had a whole back and forth over Cisco.

SPEAKER_04 47:33

You like RB like that?

SPEAKER_02 47:34

Die Hart, man.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

When I first met BT, when I first met BT, he had on like the RB scarf.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Yeah. He had the RB scarf on. I was like, huh. And then I got to know him. I was like, oh, that's why. Yeah. He loves RB.

SPEAKER_07 47:48

I uh DJed the whole pandemic as a vampire. Only RB music. You know who one of my favorite artists is? Who? Fucking Trey Songs. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 47:57

I love Trey Songs. Are you sure? I promise you. Hey man, I love Trey Songs. I met him twice. One time it was all regular. One time it was regular. Okay. Another time. So another time he looked into my heart.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Like you wanted your heart? Like on some like little combats? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 48:16

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Okay. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 48:18

Might have been bowl. He looked, he looked through my eyes. To my anyways, I felt something. Okay. So you going to the thing? What?

SPEAKER_07 48:30

You going to the game or you had another question?

SPEAKER_05 48:32

I done forgot.

SPEAKER_07 48:33

Go for it. I was just gonna say the um how so I Oh, the game.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

I did have one thing for the game. Is it hard for women to understand that's your job that you play video games? Do they understand that? Or are they like, well, what nigga, get your ass off of this and come holler at me.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Yeah, I don't, I've never had that problem. Yeah, I've never had that problem. I see that that narrative out there and in those conversations, but uh shout out to Mandy from um God, she's doing amazing stuff now. Man, me and Mandy kind of had a back and forth on her podcast. Mandy Mays? Uh no, no, no, not the comedian. Mandy um the two horrible horrible decisions girls. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mandy had said something on one on my podcast. Or excuse me, I was on her podcast, and she uh she's like, Yeah, I don't I don't want no man playing no video game. And this was then, and now the whole thing shifted, and I'm like, I wonder if you feel the same. Because now you can actually see what is done. Yeah, and I'm at home. Exactly. And I I I don't think that I only just play video games anyway. I love video games, and I'm always doing something else. I'm finding something cool to ask. Yep. Powerline wouldn't be here without Twitch, bro. I would not have done Power Line if it wasn't for my Twitch.

SPEAKER_05 49:46

Hold on, real quick. I know you got a question. Do you got you got a question?

SPEAKER_03 49:49

I feel like you you know, yeah, I I I mean, you know, hey, art smart. Your fans be wanting to hear from you. Go ahead. No, no, no. I'm I'm always I'm I'm I'm enjoying I'm a part of this, yeah. But I'm also just listening. And I get I get cut up. I get cut up. Listen. As far as your roles, man, which roles do you feel uh were you most excited to play and how did they affect you?

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Man, uh hurricane season was the most fun to me because I love that movie. Bro, we shot it for four months in New Orleans. The Carter 3 album was coming out. Little Wayne's in our movie. The remix for Lollipop is getting ready to premiere on radio and go across streaming things while we're doing this film. That was like Yeah, Wayne was cooking. That's what I'm saying. Like, I like that was an incredible experience to work with him in his city in that space. He was in two or three scenes, but just to be a part of that moment was great. But hurricane season was the most fun to me because I got to play basketball for an entire summer and get paid to do it. And I got a chance to work with Taraji P. Henson and Forrest Whitaker. Like, bro, that was that was an incredible experience for me. And it kind of healed like the little bit of the hole in my heart because I didn't get a chance to go to high school and play any sports. So I got a chance to do a movie that gave me that. I'm in. Perfect. Also because I turned down high school musical, so it's like, alright, I bet I still got a chance to do something back to the stuff.

SPEAKER_05 51:11

Oh, a little flex, y'all heard that?

SPEAKER_02 51:15

I don't consider it a flex. I don't consider it a flex. I don't consider it a flex.

SPEAKER_05 51:19

You've talked about this before? So you what Corbin Blue role?

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Yeah, like the role was offered, and I got the script, and I read I got to like page 17 or 18, and it was like begins dance routine with basketball. And I was like, nope. I disclosed it. The reason why though, like looking back on it, I can understand maybe just mentally where I was at the time, but like I grew up loving, like still I love basketball. I love Ant One, I love T Mac, Kobe, Alan Iverson. Like, I was a fan of that era of basketball. Right. So reading the script that made basketball look corny, right? I was like, uh I don't think I can do Grease with a basketball. So that's all it was for me at that time, bro. And then yeah, Corbin got his rolling.

SPEAKER_07 51:58

Uh Eddie Murphy passed up uh what for Holy Man? He passed up like uh Rush Howard? He passed up Rush Hour for Holy Man. And we'll pass up the Matrix for Wow Wow West. Bro.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

He passed on uh Ghostbusters, too. But he did Eddie? Eddie Murphy. That was supposed to be him in Ghostbusters. Yeah. But he did um something else. Uh Beverly Hills cop instead. So I mean that would that worked out. That would work out.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

I'm so grateful for the Eddie Doc, bro. I'm so grateful to see that documentary. That was so good.

SPEAKER_05 52:28

My homeboy had a good point. He said that should have been like a four-party.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

I wanted more. Yeah, I wanted more.

SPEAKER_05 52:34

He said he was right. Like it could have been every decade. Like it could have been him in the 80s, him in the 90s, him in the 2000s. Man. You know, so it could have been more. I definitely wanted more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

No, no, no. I'm listening. Okay. I got a question. As an actor, what's your process of uh memorizing lines?

SPEAKER_02 52:53

I never it's it's like I think people make the mistake, or new, new, anyone new to the to acting, they do the thing where they're trying to memorize it and wait for the person to say their last word and then shoot it off. It's like I always looked at it as a conversation. You're you're having a discussion, like these are these are feelings you're supposed to have in these scenes. So it was really that for me even as a kid. I I kind of clocked that it was, oh, this isn't about memorizing because then you're just saying the same thing every take the same way. But if you're able to emotionally connect with it and you're having something different, now he I was a different inflection on that one. I wouldn't say it the same way. Right. So it's more of a discussion thing on my end, bro.

SPEAKER_07 53:35

Just have having uh So I I want to stay in the world of uh like uh what do you consider yourself? Do you consider yourself an influencer?

SPEAKER_02 53:43

You I you gotta add that to the to the label, yeah. So it's like actor, host, streamer, artist, gamer. I guess we gotta throw artists in there. Ah, bro, music is a oh, it's a soft spot for me.

SPEAKER_03 53:55

Don't be coy, come on.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

Oh man, music is a good thing. But uh, yeah, man, it's that. It's that, man. It's it I like to throw in the video game champion as well. Like winning the Mortal Kombat tournament was big. I love that.

SPEAKER_07 54:05

So cause because you so I want to we have to have I want to have two conversations. One, I want to have a conversation about gaming in general and the skill set of uh because you do you could are you uh you consider yourself you are a pro gamer.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

I I enjoy it to that extent. Yes. If you put me in a room full of pros, like I'm keeping up. Cause I saw you talking shit to a whole cast of people the other day.

SPEAKER_07 54:28

It's like anybody. Yeah, I was like, anybody because I don't know if y'all know who y'all talking to, but on this Mortal Kombat shit, I'm I'm I'm coming over there and destroying that whole room.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

I am the champion. That's exactly how I felt about it, because I had won the at Dream Con two years ago.

SPEAKER_07 54:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

I'm running around, I'm doing hosting and moderating stuff, and then they pulled me to the side. I was like, hey, we're about to have a Mortal Kombat tournament if you want to join it. I didn't, as soon as I heard it, I was like, as soon as she says we're done, I'm running. How long did that tournament last? That was just that day. It was just that day. So it was a celebrity tournament, so they had other guys who were confident in what they did, and I was like, excuse my language, you're all fucked. You're all fucked. You have no idea. So I went up there with a I I still had my power line cosplay on. Yeah. Like I didn't change out of it. So that's a clashing of two worlds. You have this Disney character thing playing the most violent video game you can get. And yeah, that was a hell of a moment for me, man. Like that is a top five like moment for me.

SPEAKER_07 55:21

What makes for a good gamer? Because there's something in the fast Twitch muscles, high IQ saying stuff, because as a, you know, I'm y'all be trying to get me up. I'm Call of Duty. Oh, no love today. I am Call of Duty. Not that good. Like I'm very mid. I love it. But my homeboys that are great, I'd be like, man, you guys are, but some four kills for me is like, woo! And I was like, I don't even, I don't even know how to get better. So it's like, it's a retraining of the hands, it's a quick twitch, but like, what is it that's making what do you think that that puts you over the scale when you are beating people?

SPEAKER_02 56:02

Do you see it? It's like it's everyone searches up the next meta. Like they'll drop a patch and then they'll change aspects of the game. Yeah, you're keeping up with whatever meta's dropping. So you'll go to TikTok, you'll go to Reddit, and you'll see like, all right, these are the settings that people at the highest level are using for this skill set now. Wow. That, and then people are also, they'll share like their their the loadouts of the weapons they're using. Yes. Like if you're not, if you're just going loadout one, two, and three, bro, you're not keeping up with the guy who got the he got the switch on.

SPEAKER_07 56:28

Yeah, I got that. But I'm that's for COD. I'm talking Mortal Kombat. Mortal Kombat?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Because this is that's all, and even in that space, there's something they drop patches for, so you gotta keep up to understand, like, all right, well, this one has the advantage here. His overhead is not gonna be as quickly anymore. Like, that's that's what it's about, man. But I I went to Evo for the last two years, and Evo's like the big FGC fighting game championship. So people from all over the world who are just good at fighting games. Gotcha. Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Tekken, Marvel vs. Capcom.

SPEAKER_07 56:58

Capcom was my biggest. And then CT beat me really bad. I said, I'm never playing this game again. CT plays? CT is yeah. And Marvel vs. Capcom? Yes. CT play. CT, what's up? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

I want that route. I want that battle. CT. Yeah, CT. I remember him streaming and doing cloud as well. Yeah. That was his space. But uh, yeah, it's going out there, bro, and seeing big shout out to um everyone who comes out there for that, bro. It's amazing. It's such an incredible atmosphere. It's like going to a boxing match or UFC. You see the guys on their stage, big screen, and it's just 1v1. All that crowd. These guys go from at-home training to being in an arena full of people with that, you know, the game in their hand. Wow. It's it's an incredible experience to see, bro. Where'd that come from? Your love for games. What is that? Um, me and my my family, bro. That's how we bonded. That's really how we bonded. A lot of Smash Bros. uh fights in the house, a lot of Mortal Kombat. Like, I that's what it really was for me. And I'm very I'm grateful to see this generation of entertainment shift to be able to adapt video game stories better. We had Super Mario Brothers with Liguazamo and uh Bob Assis. Oh yeah, I saw that. That's a lot. That was rough. That was a lot. Remember the Street Fighter movie?

SPEAKER_05 58:11

Uh I had that too. You know, I didn't know. Don't make that fish. Give him a break. Give him a break.

SPEAKER_03 58:17

Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

John Claude Van Dam and Street Fighter, John Claude Van Dam, and Bloodsport. I mean, that's Bloodsport. Bloodsport all got support. Bloodsport every day. What's the actor who plays um uh Jawanna Man? Um I forgot he was in Street Fighter. Who he plays? Sagittarius. Oh, did you forget? Pull him up. Pull him up.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

Pull him up.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

Look how we looked in Street Fighter. Pull him up. No. I don't want to be this. He had to play Vega. No.

SPEAKER_07 58:42

He had to play Vega or Sagitt.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

No, he couldn't play Sagittarius. He'd be tall enough and he didn't do the eye patch.

SPEAKER_07 58:49

Who the fuck can you say? Was it Blanca?

SPEAKER_02 58:51

No, he was no he was no main, he was none of the fighting roster, bro. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't think he's none of the fighting roster.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

Oh, my phone acting crazy. Okay, you you looked that up and I and now, so in the I also have to have this conversation. This is him, right? Yeah. Street Fighter? Yeah. Y'all don't remember he had the like the right. That's hilarious. Yeah, I remember that. He's like, it would have uh in Bison's uh homeboy or some shit like that. Or Raoul look like that look like a Raul.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

No, he was M Bison's one of his little goonies.

SPEAKER_07 59:21

Miguel was working. It was killing it. Yeah, man. Um So as as you're in the influence space and and and with your history and legacy, you have figured out the the partnership, the brand deal, sponsorship thing better than anybody else. Thank you. It's like this high-level what makes doing business with Cleo Thomas good business.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Authenticity. It's authenticity. I just got a chance to speak at Ad Color uh in Orlando and Anastasia Ali, who is the head of every culture involvement um brand at Disney, she asked for me to come out there and speak. And that was the thing I was able to tell an entire room full of marketers who wanted to hear from a creative. And thank you for saying it how you did, but it's it's the authenticity of it all, bro. Like I I really do work with brands and with things that I actually enjoy. Long gone are the commercials of like we're just acting like it's cool. That's that's done. Even as consumers, we see behind the curtain. Right. Everyone has everyone is a QVC now. TikTok is literally a walking QVC whole platform. Right. So it's just the authenticity of it, man. I I love that I get a chance to be creative. You know what it also is, man? All of those audition commercials as a kid. Every commercial that I went on as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

This is uh commercial.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

I said commercial. Oh yeah, yeah. Let's not let's not talk like you're not top talking.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

Keep going. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

When I saw the sprite roll out, I was like, yeah, big nigga. Yeah, man. It's that for me, bro. It's it's that. Like, there's a uh there's a a spot off of La Brea and Third. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:15

200, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

And it's upstairs. 200 South La Brea. Yeah, yeah. Bro, I re I I went to that place so many times as a kid, and I just like I didn't register it really. I'm just like, oh, we got another audition, great. But really seeing how many actors were packing that place out back then. I haven't been there in years. So it's it's still up? It's still up. I didn't get there in years either.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:37

I don't know if you know this about baby. I was busy on network television. Come on, 200 celebrated my however.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:06

Yeah, definitely still up there.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

It was that, bro. It was that for me as well. It's like every I got a chance to do a nerf uh brand partnership, and that was the funnest thing in the world to me because that's something I would have loved to do as a kid. And I got a chance to involve my family. We got a chance to like build out the Nerf Gun, the Nerf Blasters that we wanted, it was dream come true.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:26

I actually want to ask you about auditions. Because you popping and making so much money from uh endorsements and ads, and you have the numbers online, does it make sense to even audition? Like, are you still auditioning for TV and film roles? Or are you like how what are you thinking about that right now?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

I feel like the landscape has changed. Bro, we me you asking a question that I have a like I have a very real answer for, so I'm gonna try to be real, be authentic. I'm gonna try to give this as authentic as possible. Yeah, right. It's like we've seen the landscape of our business change so much. Netflix just brought Warner Brothers. Right. They own The Matrix, uh, Game of Thrones, Batman. Bro, they they own IPs that have been here and have ran the world. Netflix wasn't even here. I would remember I remember going to Sundance when I was a kid, and they gave me a free trial for Netflix then, and it was still DVDs. Wow. We used to get DVDs sent to the house. Like that was what that was. That little red and white envelope. For me, my first my first experience with Netflix was a Sundance free gift card to be able to get their DVDs to where I just now saw them buy Warner Brothers. Landscape is completely shifted. To answer your question, as far as does it make sense, I think no matter what, there is nothing like a network or a studio or a label putting a jetpack on you. I think you can do everything you want via social media. I think that you can create your own IP, especially now, considering we all have devices like this. This was gatekeeped when I was when we were growing up. You couldn't get access to this. Your phone does all the recording and audio editing now. We didn't have that growing up. So I look at it as no matter what, when the powers that be in the in the business puts the jetpack on you, there's no other platform like that. But in the meantime, if you're able to create your business around what you love to do anyway, then how long were you on the CBS? Because you were in MacGyver, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:43

Yeah, McGyver.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:43

MacGyver, four seasons.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:45

Five seasons. And rush hour before that. Come on now. That was one season. So it's six years in total. Okay. Beautiful. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

So now, like how old are you? I'm 40. 40. Okay. 30, 36. Me too. 36. Timing wise. I was wondering how old you were.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:03

He ain't lines. He got too much grade. That nigga 36.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:07

Oh, we're sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:09

I play between the ages of You can be 36 if you like me. And I'm gonna be completely authentic right now. I'm 32. Alright, go ahead. Got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

You looked at it. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. It's uh how much time did you spend on those sets in a day?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:24

12, 13. Oh, MacGyver, 12 to 13 hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Right. Most of it's waiting around.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

You're in your trailer. Yeah. It wasn't until my mom talked to me about two years ago that she put it in perspective. I always felt, you asked this question, so I have to be honest. Like I always felt like I gotta get back. There's gotta be a role, there's gotta be something that's supposed to elevate it. And my mom pulled me to the side one day and she was like, Holly, I don't think you I don't think you registered it, but the amount of time you spent on those sets was so long for the compensation. In comparison to what you're able to do from your house, Halid, you're good. And it wasn't until she said that that I was finally able to let go of that that feeling. Yeah. So the landscape is a landscape. And we are we're gonna love to create no matter what. Right. We know if a film rolls out, we got like I believe it's gonna be a creator's marketplace, period.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:17

Yeah. Well that that's the reason why I asked the question because I'm at a point where I know my reps get mad because I pass on a lot of stuff. Because I'm like, if I'm not excited about the audition, I'm like, I'm just not going to audition. I'm like, because I could create my own stuff. I made money from MacGyver. I invested in real estate. And so it's like I don't need to go audition for the guest star on Matt Locke.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

You know what I'm saying? I'm with you. I'm with you in there. You're not alone in that. Yeah. I told my reps, listen, if it's not sci-fi or fantasy, I don't I'm good. I feel you. I I've done, to be real, I've done it. I've been in an interrogation room in six different projects already. So I've done it. Like, literally, here's the real. Like I'm I've been in the guy already. If this isn't good enough to give me the role, no problem. I get it. Cool. You'll find someone else anyway. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

Yeah, because it's gonna be somebody else that won it. Yeah, it's gonna be somebody, and that's their blessing to have. Yeah, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:13

If it's not sci-fi fantasy, I like I'm I am standing strong by that. I really want to do things that I genuinely would enjoy doing. Yeah. I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:22

What uh uh I don't want to be all in your pockets, but I do want to have the information. What does most of the revenue come from right now for you? Like where do you um where do you see my energy is the most lucrative at?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:38

Streaming. For sure. My streaming space, yeah, for sure. My Twitch. My Twitch and my YouTube, bro, and like I'm very, very grateful for the people over at YouTube. Big shout out to Lana Garrett. Have you guys met Lana over at YouTube? I need to introduce you to introduce you guys to Lana. She's an incredible uh woman who works at YouTube who gave me the keys to understand even how to work my YouTube channel better. How many follows do you have over there? Uh my YouTube? I just cracked my 115,000 subscribers.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:05

Come on now.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

But I've had my channel since like 2009. Wow. And I just I couldn't figure it out, bro. And you gotta think, I've you just went through the different phases of me. We had a vlogs, then we got music, then we get just random uploads. Much the algorithm, like, we don't know what the hell to do with you. So we're not pushing nothing. Once I was able to get the information, I was like, bet.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:26

So what what was the You answered it, but more specifically, what was the turning point for your f for your followers where you you saw the boost? Um, what was your I guess my question is more so what was your voice that made the the turnover?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Okay, so for us to get past like that 100,000 subscriber mark, right? It's it's a cheat code. It was a cheat code one, and I and I know what it is. It's because we had the whole's 20th anniversary.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:55

Got it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

That and I Disney didn't put that together. This was put together by uh the director and the writer and the folks over at Street Food Cinema, but I also knew no one was gonna document it. So I'm gonna document it and I'm gonna put the video up there. And then that's the video that brought brand new eyeballs to the channel. So it was a cheat code one. Once again, we we are playing in a system where the algorithm makes the rules. Period. So you have to really just enjoy what you're doing. Because if you start getting into the analytics of it all, bro, you're gonna burn out. You're gonna burn out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:33

That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

Yeah, brother. Yeah, man. Cheat code one.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:36

Oh man, that's a yeah. All right. Okay. We got a game we call Kill It or Let Live.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:42

Let's get it. Okay. Now, me. Hold on. We don't know what's on this man's card. I gotta serve we don't know what's on this man's cards. Uh-huh. Okay. No, no, no. You can have a good time. I put it in the line approve each question.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

B T Land and Prove. BT.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:01

B T It's on you. BT and London didn't approve each question. So we're excited about these questions. You're about to be. Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

Here we go. And this is to the room or just me.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

This is for the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:10

It's you. That's you, Cleo. Kill it or let live. Kill it or let live. Okay. Hooking up with a cast member.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Kill it. Kill it. Kill it. I think we've already we've already seen the experience of how bad it can go and how it like it. And it don't last. It don't last anyway. That's a fact. Kill it.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:34

Okay. Uh kill it or let live. Responding to negative comments on social media.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

Let live. Okay, let live. If if you care to do it, like, bro, a lot of times that's all the that's all the power these people got. It's just that. They they they are pissed off anyway. Anyway. That's the only bullet they got in life is to shoot at you. So if you want to respond, let it live.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

Okay. Kill it or let live, having a hundred million followers on every social media platform, but you have to participate in a ditty party. You're so fucking thinking about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:14

Nah, that's just thinking. Kill it, bury it, burn the coffin, dig up the ground, then put that in a bag, and then throw it into the ocean.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:25

Okay. No, that's a kill it. That's a kill it. Kill it. That's a kill. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:31

Kill it or let live. Starn in movies. Being the star of movies for the rest of your life. But the movies will only be seen on Tubi.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

Let it live. Let it live. You better look at the landscape. Better look at the landscape. That's up to all that. Y'all, everyone, oh Tubi movie, to be movie. And y'all talk it right into being one of the top dogs. So thanks. Thanks for the social media help. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:56

Hey, I'm with you. All right. Okay. I didn't say this one. Kill it or let live. Uh meeting your celebrity crush. She's gonna let you smash. But a coochie sting.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

Did you know that before then?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:13

Not until you pull the draw.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:19

You know, my celebrity crunch, brother. She's a hard worker.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

I mean, like, bro, I understand. I can respect that, but I understand. You understand? It's the all of the day. I'm not gonna hit it that day. I'm not gonna hit it that day. Okay. Okay, this was happening. You hitting it that day?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:47

Well, I can't do this, the motherfucker.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:52

The answer is no. Uh- Okay. Addendum. Is this uh tartanist she just worked out, or is this uh, you sick? Oh, uh well say that again, my bad. Is this a is this a tartanist like she just worked out? Like this it's a little human coming up off. She should probably get some antibiotics. Oh no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:23

The antibiotics coochie? No, I'm good. Um, let's see, kill it or let live. I got about two more. Kill it or let live. Since we on here, kill it or let live. Eating ass right after she left the gym. That day.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

Yeah, we killing that. Okay. We killing that. If we got the option, we we killing that. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, we're gonna kill that.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:44

Okay, this last one. Kill it or let live. Letting your lady go on vacation with her girlfriends, but she says she's not taking her cell phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:57

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:58

That's that is crazy work. We're going there.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:01

That's crazy work. She goes on vacation with her friends, but her cell phone gets left behind. Yeah. No, she's leaving it behind.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:07

She's leaving behind.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:08

She say, she's telling you, I'm not taking my phone though. Addendum. Do you have the option to do the same as the man in the in this situation? No. You don't? No. Oh, then Because that's what life isn't equal. No shit. Yeah, nah, that's that's a killer then. That's a killer then. I'm yeah, nah, I can't. Nah, nah. Nope. Nope. I love it. I like my piece anyway. I like I like leaving my phone off. Straight up. Yeah, man. So I can give it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:37

Yeah. The uh so I got uh I got two top fives here, and I don't know which way to go. Go with both, I got you. I was gonna go top five Bioware Songs, and I also have top five video games.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:50

Okay. So Um Fresh Up Is up there. Because every time we did that record, it was insane. Um his verse on Oh, I think they like me for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:05

Um I got hits, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

That's he got a record called Mo Money, which I think was the introduction to one of those albums. Okay. That was a crazy, crazy verse on that. Do you. That's another great record from him, and then I gotta go with Let Me Um Like You. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna swap out Do You for Let Me Hold You and then Like You. Those last two records.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:29

You know what's funny about you know what one of my favorite Bad Wall songs is? It's him and Oh, but it's Girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:35

Girlfriend's up there for you? Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:37

I like girlfriends.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

And my girlfriend. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:40

Yeah, that's what girlfriend was getting left out. Anyway, uh top five video games.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:47

Final Fantasy VII.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:49

Oh yeah! Classic!

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

Castlevania Symphony of the Night. That's what that's Nintendo? Uh it was on Nintendo, but the one I'm talking about is the one on the PlayStation. Okay, got you, gotcha. Castlevania Symphony of the Night is up there for me. Mega Man X IV.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:05

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:05

I'll give it to Mega Man X4. And this is where it always gets tricky because I like, I gotta throw in a fighting game, or like, uh, so it depends. Like everyone can ask me top five, but those last two are always gonna change. So right now I'm gonna say Gears of War. Okay. That's the reason I even bought my bought an Xbox for damn sure for that. And then uh we will throw in just we we gotta go Mortal Kombat. Yeah, yeah. We gotta go Mortal Kombat.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:30

Is that your that's your one? That's what I'll bet. You're like, nah, I'll beat you in Mortal Kombat. No, you won't, bro. What you want to put up?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:36

Yeah, like yeah, that's the one. I just had someone like try it recently. And I just like, and no one told them. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:43

Do you do you play uh you play Street Fighter? I do. Do you play uh Street Fighter as well as you do with Mortal Kombat? Being that they're both like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:50

Not as good as the baby brother. Ah, okay. The week after, the excuse me, the month after I won my Mortal Kombat tournament, he won the Street Fighter tournament. Wow. So it's like the whole house. Wait, who's the baby? Uh Hamil, the baby brother. Okay, okay, I got you, okay. Yeah. How is he? 26. Okay. Yeah. He's a beast. He's a beast.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:07

And Street Fighter?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:08

Street Fighter, Tekken. I love Street Fighter. Um, Dragon Ball Fighters, Guilty Gear, like the FGC stuff, that's his lane.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:15

I miss Killer Instinct.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:18

Invincible versus is coming out. Okay. If you've ever watched the Invincible series, Invincible Animated Series. So they have a fighting game coming out made by the same people who made Killer Instinct. Okay. You're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:28

Alright, so uh uh my game that I would bet money on is Tetris Attack, but nobody gives a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:33

Tetris Attack?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:33

Tetris Attack. I've never played Tetris Attack. Nobody has. That's the fucking problem. If we get uh career-wise, man, everything's the way you want it, you are killing it. What does it look like? Specifically career-wise.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

I feel like I feel like bro, I've been doing this since I was five. You know? And I would like to, if it if it could be my way, I would like to split my life in two chapters. I really would. I would like to have given all of all of my days and all of my energy um up to um 46. And then wherever I'm at in life, I'm cashing in my chips and I'm I'm I'm gone. I'm done.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:23

Just on the island and you maybe you're seeing the. I'm about to say, still alive, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:27

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Living, but just just because I've I've done it and seen it. You know? So it's it's one of those things for me. I would like to, if I could have it my way, I would, I would do two chapters. The first half, I gave everything I love to what I wanted to accomplish. I did it. And now the next chapter, what does life look like when that's not the priority?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:47

I love that. That's nice, man. That's a great. Hey man, that's a great answer. Uh, everybody, make sure you like, comment, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube, subscribe to our clips channel, too. We have the Killing It Pod Clips channel. Nice. If you just want to see the clips. And uh, man, I've been your host, Justin Hyas. London Brown, BT Ganglick. And the one and only Cleo Thomas, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:10

Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. Man, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:13

Man, we did it again.