Killin It
Comedians London Brown, Justin Hires, & BT Kingsley converse with top people in entertainment and culture that are killing it in their life and career.
Killin It
TYLER CHRONICLES & RELL BATTLE
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Actor/Comedian/Writers, Tyler Chronicles & Rell Battle, discuss working with Will Smith and T.I., writing on Wild 'N Out, creating the series 'Roast Battle', pitching TV shows to networks, value of posting content online, and more.
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How do y'all not fumble y'all friendships with celebrities? Like I fumbled my friendship with Tip. Okay. I fumbled it. I met Tip the first night he came out here to do stand-up. He came over to the comedy store. Chris Spencer was there, Usher was there, Alice Thomas there. I remember this thing. He closed out Crack Em Up Thursdays and killed it. There was some comics hating. But I'm like, yo, this just started. Like, he ain't been doing it that long. He's still only been in it three years, like to the day, damn near. I said, bro, he's only been doing it maybe two months or something. He had a great, for me, I'm like, is a star.
SPEAKER_00Has anyone told him?
SPEAKER_07He knows this. He didn't know me. He was supposed to do Rush Hour, the TV series. He was cast in that role. So happened at one of his concerts. CBS is like, no, Negro. Yeah. And so they took that shit away. And then I was like, we need a non-threatening Negro. They ain't check his resume. I told him, I said, you know, I'm the one that, you know, I got to rush. I was like, oh man, he was like, take my number. I think I started over-texting. It was the over-texing.
SPEAKER_06It was over text.
SPEAKER_03It's so difficult not to text his all the time. That's what I'm saying. Every time he hit my phone, I'm like, What's up, y'all?
SPEAKER_04Welcome to another episode of Killin' It Man. Uh boy, we got another one. But I mean, would you look at what we have shot? I mean, come on, you guys. I am one of your hosts, man, the boy B.T. Kingsley. London Brown. Justin Hayes. And we have two phenomenal comic. Pros.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_04Normally they do the intro like 10 minutes into the pie.
SPEAKER_03My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.
SPEAKER_04Comics, writers, hilarious. Both uh gentlemen, uh, we consider friends, man. This is gonna be easy breezy, but it's a lot of talent in this room. We are so, so exact happy to have them here, and the credits is phenomenal, and that's why I'm getting tripped up. Ladies and gentlemen, Talent Chronicles are real battle. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03The KIP. The KIP is of the KIP.
SPEAKER_07Killing it. Thanks for having me. What's the so what wait a minute? What's the question you said you wanted to ask London?
SPEAKER_02Oh, off the rip, bro. Who's uh, I guess, uh, direction, or was this just you to eat in every scene that you're in?
SPEAKER_05That was just um that was a choice that I presented to the showrunner. And um basically actors.
SPEAKER_03You can't do nothing but that to the showrunner listening. But I really wanted to know who Slotoslavskies Uda Hoggin.
SPEAKER_05Um as I crossed my We cross legs in here. No, uh it was basically a choice. I just had to figure out the very talented cast. Everybody, you know, Cass Um, shout out to Patina Miller, she's coming from Broadway. Oh, she's Kilgore, Broadway. We got Joy, everybody knows who Joey is. We got um uh Malcolm Mays, he got he's coming from music, obviously the star, uh Canaan, but with all of that, I'm like, how do I create my own lane so even when I'm not speaking, I'm still because like when I remember the first table read, and you know, as as comics, sometimes you you when you do the table read, I'm like, man, I ain't got nothing funny to say. And so people laughing all over the room. I said, okay, I I figured out day one from that table read, I was like, I'm not gonna get lost in the sauce on this show. So I just wanted to like carve out my own lane early and just make sure. Because sometimes you feel slept on. Uh we were talking about this with uh with Tahir yesterday, and and sometimes when you're in a on a big show, and depending on how many lines you get, you gotta make, you gotta ring out your part. Because I'm not really necessarily only performing for that particular series. I'm trying to perform for the execs that's gonna be at home on a Sunday night and they happen to tune in. If they catch you, that's like an audition as well. They catch you for a couple minutes and they stop. What are you doing? So, anyway, the food was just one of those things. I said, Man, I gotta separate myself without saying, look at these layers I'm building with the character, everybody. Nah, for real. But you'll just see it.
SPEAKER_04Murdering people make you hunger, bro. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05But then also, I get this. There's little things in there that people don't recognize. Like, for example, people think he's always eating, but here's a small, I have to have reasons on why these things happen and what I'm eating. For example, I have a sucker throughout the seasons, but the sucker is not just cuz, but that's to subliminally say revenge is sweet. Now, if you don't know that, you don't know that. But those are the things. Yeah, that's some other stuff.
SPEAKER_02Now, if you don't know that, no, we do not know that. Nobody's watching it. Broy, he's on that revenge blow pop. I know audio hates you though. Uh they mean eating chips. Sometimes.
SPEAKER_05But you just learn to like um little things like uh a glass, you learn to just kind of put them down with some gentility so it's not clinking and clanking my chains. They tape them down. Little things that the audience don't know, but the chips, I know that wardrobe, all of that. Right, right. But sometimes it's not even eating, it's this. And then, oh shoot. Because I don't care how whatever it is you like to eat, if you do 20 takes of eating whatever your favorite snack is, you're done by takes eight. Yeah. So after a while, it's sometimes me just putting the food down, and you get you become methodical on how you're gonna go about this if you're gonna make that your your uh That is hilarious, because I I legit thought you was eating the whole time.
SPEAKER_04Because I know you, I remember uh when you was trying to put weight on coming out of ballers, it was like, yeah, man, I gotta go up. You was making it a point to put weight on. Yeah, I would do it even on camera.
SPEAKER_05That's the other thing, because on you know, when they start giving you those, this is what happened. On ballers, season one, the wardrobe person came over just like, here, put that on, hell London, put on that tank top. I said, when?
SPEAKER_01Not like this. I don't want to look like no hanger on camera.
SPEAKER_05London used to be skinny skinny. So that final season, I was like, okay. Because also, it depends on what you're trying to do. If you want to be a leading guy, you want to start, you gotta start creating that that whole thing with your look, and because all of that's important. Because look, think think about Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan was like, everybody was like, the cool ladies was like, oh, he's cool. Yeah, but when he got ripped for what pre, the girls were like, oh, Michael B. Will Smith, when he put on that size, women, it they you look different in that camera nigga.
SPEAKER_07But anyway. Well, yeah, but that's what I don't work at too much. You know what I'm saying? I'm married, you know, paper, bro. You know what I'm saying? So this is what I wanted to ask, man. Okay, both of y'all have worked on both independent and professional type shows, right? Like, so you write on Wildin' Out, you perform the Wildin' Out, uh, you he was killing it before us. He was on the TV show, killing it with Craig Robinson. You know what I'm saying? Hopefully, we go longer than two seasons. I hope so too. I can be back. Yeah. But uh, but you know, but anyways, what have y'all seen been the difference between doing an independent project? Because I know you did departments with T.I. And I want to ask you how you got how you started, how you linked up with T.I. But what have y'all seen like the biggest difference between doing independent projects like you did the gutter with Yash and Lester versus doing a professional type production.
SPEAKER_09Simple as that. Uh, I don't know. I mean, uh for for me, man, just it's just the freedom is definitely, you know, you don't have an independent project, you don't have 30 people telling you what you can, what you can't do. Everything's curated on a major project. I mean, like he said, I mean, down to the clothes and the hat and the socks, and it's like, you know, trying to change a uh a shirt could be a whole thing that they gotta talk to 25 people. Whereas uh, you know, on an independent project, I want to wear these glasses, I go. You know what I mean? So um I just I think the freedom is a is a bigger point. I don't know for you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it is, it is a freedom for like so for departments and how I met Tip. Um, you know, Tip is like the mayor of Atlanta. He's literally outside, he's one of the few superstars you can see at places, regular restaurants and all that. And I would see him all the time. I used to sell weed at Magic City. He would come in there all the time. He wouldn't never buy nothing from me, but he always sent his people over there, black and you know what I'm saying? So I would know him from that, and he was just always a cool dude. Then uh obviously he had been in the comedy world before he started. He's he's been coming to comedy shows for you know 20, 25 years, him and his wife. And um, you know, obviously he would see me from that. The part that I play in the in the movie actually was Ronnie's. Ronnie had that part. He went to the table read. Ronnie Jordan. Ronnie Jordan, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm saying that like it means on camera. Ronnie Jordan, um, he played that part. We do the table read, leaves the table read. I got COVID. Damn. Almost shut the movie down, right? But it's independent, so he's like, we ain't got to be. So, you know what I mean? Uh rest in peace, Clay. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't uh know Clay Evans. He was uh Tip's manager, a lot of people manager Duval as well. And he um said, I got a guy, because I had just finished doing the show, and and it was crazy because the the character's supposed to be an older married gentleman in the neighborhood, and I had just came, did this did a comedy show when I had just came from this a war show, so I was dressed like an old nigga. You know what I'm saying? I had the old nigga hat and I had a vest on and all that. Dressed like the planters nigga. Right. So I went so I went in there and he saw me and it just kind of it just kind of all connected, and he he had me call tip, and I talked to him, and you know, we just been been cool and kicking it um ever since. But the difference between that and like if you say wildin' out, ain't no nigga. Wildin' out so hood and niggas it just wildin' out is good. It just, you know, it's just more money involved in the situation though, but like it's a lot, it's a lot of uh chaos, and I guess it's control because they've just been doing it for so long. You know what I mean? They got it to the point that where now we can shoot four episodes in a day when they used to do one every day for 16 days.
SPEAKER_09We weed push a lot of niggas on in Atlanta. Like that's how Two Chains met Wayne. Yeah, yeah. That's a fact.
SPEAKER_02That's how he's gonna connect. How Two Chains got that song about selling the weed to all the rappers, that all the famous rappers, I got the same song I could write by all the famous comedians. Right. If a comedian smoked weed and he came to Atlanta, they would send them to me. That's how I met James Davis.
SPEAKER_07Hold on, this is what I gotta ask y'all. How do y'all not fumble y'all friendships with celebrities? Like, how do you not fumble the friendships with celebrities? Like, I fumbled my friendship with Tip. Now, look, I fumbled it. This is easy to do. This is what I'm this easy to do.
SPEAKER_06Very easy with you.
SPEAKER_07I met Tip, I met Tip the first night he came out here to do stand-up. That was at the comedy. I think he did the Laugh Factory first, and then he came over to the comedy stores. So it was Chris Spencer was there, Usher was there, I think Alice Thomas there. I remember this. Yeah, we was so we all there, and I'm and I he closed out Crack 'em up Thursdays and killed it. His wife was there, and I was like, and so there was some comics hating, but I'm like, yo, this nigga just started, like, he ain't been doing it that long. He's still only been in it three years, like to the day, damn near. I said, bro, he's only been doing it maybe two months or something. He just closed out, you know, that's going mid, one o'clock in the morning, midnight. He had a great, he had for me, I'm like, this nigga is a star.
SPEAKER_00Has anyone told him?
SPEAKER_07So I told him because he knows this, he didn't know me. He was supposed to do Rush Hour, the TV series. He was cast in that role. Some shit happened at one of his concerts. CBS is like, no, Negro. Yeah. And so they took that shit away. And then I was like, we need a non-threatening Negro. They ain't check his resume. Right, yeah. I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_03The past is the past, but the present, bro.
SPEAKER_07If they were gonna feel like that, yeah. So I told him, I said, you know, I'm the one that was supposed, you know, I got rushed. I was like, oh man, he was like, take my number. Cool, nigga, cool, nigga. He was like, man, take my number, you know what I'm saying? Cool. Take his number. I think I started over-texting. It was the over-texing. Over texting.
SPEAKER_03It's so difficult not to text this nigga all the time. That's what I'm saying. Every time he hit my phone, I'm like, nigga, this is tip.
SPEAKER_07So I would see him doing somebody's like, man, good shit on that. You know, hey man, I seen you on this. Hey man, I saw you on that. And then I had a legitimate reason to text him, right? Marlon Waynes was working on a TV series and it was about comedians, and I know Marlon needed a red fox character. I know because I'm a, you know, Tip in my top five, I know Tip wants to do Red Fox in a project. So I went to text him the bubble was on green. I said, God.
SPEAKER_06The bubble went from blue to green. I said, God, let me bumble the friendship. Let me shoot my dog some bail. Okay.
SPEAKER_02You know superstars, right? Yeah. If you have a superstar's phone number, you probably get to use it for two, three months. Then they switch it up. I don't think he blocked you. I just don't think he has that number you have anyway.
SPEAKER_07You know that makes me feel better?
SPEAKER_02It should.
SPEAKER_07I was like, nah, too, because he's a real nigga.
SPEAKER_02He's not opposed to confrontation. So he would tell you, hey nigga, stop texting me so much. Okay. He would literally tell you. Okay. Yeah, straight up. He's not opposed to confrontation at all. That's the one of the main things that I like about him. He don't let nothing fester. He don't just let people feel like feel a way about him. If he has a way that he needs you to feel about him, he's gonna tell you. Okay. So yeah, you good, bro. Okay. You good. I had to get that off. All right, I'm done.
SPEAKER_04Y'all listening. You don't one of the the the you being on the road with tip is uh gotta be a unique perspective though, because one of the things that people don't know is he is if you if you're in the know, he dead serious about comedy. He loved this shit. So because I've had shows where I'll get like uh like I was doing Give Me Five Live uh at Flappers, and then uh randomly Ronnie hit me, like, hey man, I see you got some new flappers. What's going on what's going on? I was like, oh no, I'm doing my what's nice show. He was like, oh, can Tip go up? I was like, well, it's not, this is not it's not a comedy show. It's like literally, we send the car like this, yo. Like, I was like, oh no, it's it's not a show. And then somebody else called. I was like, why does everybody call me like right before Showtime? And come like when I talked to Ronnie after, uh Ronnie Jordan after, he was like, no, listen, this nigga wanna go up. Like he he was literally looking for spots to go up. Where are the mics at? Where are the mics at? Where are the mics at? I was like, oh, he uh like a like a new comic.
SPEAKER_02I was like, he it caught him. The bug is on him right now. The current three or three years in bug is like he's gonna be, if he got a concert somewhere, he might show up early and be hitting people up. Like, hey man, you know anybody in West Palm that got a spot so I can go and work on my stuff. Like he really, really loved it.
SPEAKER_09You think it's from just being at the show so much? He always wanted to do it, but it was like 2006. He was at Atlanta on in the crowd, just like every day. So he's like, he's like, I just want to like it's like he was hungry for it, but his rap shit was probably like, I don't want to.
SPEAKER_02Nah, it's not it. Uh I think I think he probably thought that he could do it, but never would think to do it just because of all the shit that he had going on. But obviously, love comedy. He actually, you know, uh, I don't want to say manage, but you know, well, signed Duval to Grand Hustle comedy.
SPEAKER_09I know tree niggas always got extra shit. I know, I gave him that.
SPEAKER_02But you know what I'm saying? So so like it was like he was just involved with the comedy back then, but it just so happened that he came uh to an open mic. Like he like he'll he goes to comedy spots that I don't even go to. Right. I don't even fuck with it. So he was at uh shout out to K Dub. Y'all know K Dub. He's hosting the shit, and him and Tip are arguing about somebody on stage, and Tip is telling K-Dub why he's not doing good, and K Dub is saying, No, nigga, I'm a comedian. I'm telling you why he's not doing good. So it basically was like, well, nigga, if you think you better, you do it. He went up, he's like, man, all right, went up there and literally introduced Tip to go on stage. He said, Tip just went on stage, you know, told stories for like 20 minutes, and it was over with the bug was on him. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing.
SPEAKER_07You can't you can't trump a great story, bruh.
SPEAKER_02If you're gonna be able to get it. Especially a story from someone you want to hear a story from. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's it's it's I feel like it's it's not easy, but by and large, he has something that when he walks on stage that we're not gonna get immediately, it's the it's the captivation and the imagination of oh shit, what's he about to talk about? Yeah, and watching. To us, it's just like I hope he's funny. Right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, watching how far he's come and how strong he's got is like, you know, I remember all the hate at the beginning. I was like, first of all, the a lot of some of the comics I was hating, you barely do comedy, nigga.
SPEAKER_06Like I don't I don't even see, I don't see this hate.
SPEAKER_09Anytime somebody comes to somebody else's world, they're not used to, until you prove yourself, people gonna feel if one of us started for real, like, if you was when you was rapping or whatever, y'all rap. So if y'all really was going hard in the rap, every rapper they'd be like, who does comic think he, you know what I'm saying? Right. Until you go, you get to a point where you become like Donald Glover, where it's like, oh, okay, he's actually kind of. I just don't know, I just don't think that's natural in the world.
SPEAKER_02I just don't think that I think you're right, but I just don't think I guess the people in that industry or the rap side of the music industry are as loud as the comedians were.
SPEAKER_09When Donald Glover started rapping, yes they were. And then now he's nice, he's considered to be nice.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. But like, so say, so say, like, you got Duval, he's been making songs for a while. I I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about it.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I think people do take Duvall, like a kind of rapper. Like miracles.
SPEAKER_02Well, no, I'm saying he would be the comedic side of it. I'm just saying, like, I don't feel like the the the musicians, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_09I remember I remember try I remember Donald Glover was super loud until he got nice. And I think they're gonna be loud with Tip until like, okay, he's actually good at shit by respecting their craft.
SPEAKER_04I I I I agree with that partially. Some of it was hate though. Like, some of it felt like hate because you because niggas was trying to gatekeep comedy, and comedy kind of gatekeep itself. Right, right. Because you gotta love it to stay in it because it's an abusive relationship.
SPEAKER_09But that's what I'm saying. If I think now that he's going for three years and people see him, they go, okay. I don't think I don't really hear to hate no more. Yeah, no, no, you don't hear no hair. He already had two of the biggest advantages you can have to be a comedian. I think now I don't know, I don't hear to hate as much anymore.
SPEAKER_04You had uh a situation similar to that too, because you were uh at the ground floor for when Will was trying to uh was taking his hand into stand-up. How how was that uh seeing his perspective coming from being one of the uh uh actors who was a huge superstar, you know, one of the biggest that we've ever had, also with all this comedy stuff behind it, but never been on that mic. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He said we've ever had he's still alive, man.
SPEAKER_09All right. Well, it was for me, it was different because it was a part of a show. So the show we were doing was called um Bucket List. So he was just trying a thing he always wanted to do every episode. So it wasn't just stand-up, it was swimming with sharks, it was climbing, bungee jumping, whatever the hell it was. So it wasn't like he was like, I'm about to take this comedy thing over. He's like, everybody always thought it was funny, let me just try this thing. So I started like, it was like a quick thing that it was one episode we worked on, and then Chappelle gave him advice and blah blah blah blah. So it was never, he was never playing on going on tour and trying to take people's spots. The only show she did was a guest on Chappelle's show. Got it. So the whole episode built up to doing this one thing to see if I can actually do it, and then I'm gonna go move on and be a billionaire.
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SPEAKER_04How do you feel like uh his chops were in that space? Like for for as long as he w worked on it to depart.
SPEAKER_09Well, I had to I had to coach him. So he he better did, you know what I mean? He better have been. But like I said, when you have stage presence, you got fame, stage presence, and you got and you got a life stories that we want to hear. Same thing with Tip.
SPEAKER_07So what tips did you give Will Smith though about stand-up?
SPEAKER_09Well, because he was just like he uh he didn't understand uh beats and timing, right? You can run he's an actor, so you rehearse you rehearse your your your material and you expect a response with comedy, you know your material, but uh a plate could fall, a glass could fall, somebody can start heckling. You gotta know how to be able to get back on point to that. And then also, you know, um how to break down a story with your family. It's not just talking like a homie round away. You know, you gotta have a place for this beat, you gotta be able to do this voice in it, you gotta be able to stay on track, not speak too much on the story, only with the facts. So it was like little stuff like that. But you know, he's a naturally talented dude. So that one set was amazing.
SPEAKER_05You know, I I don't think he would go on tour with it. How did you how'd you even get that how did the opportunity present itself?
SPEAKER_09Uh we did a um I don't know if you guys know Lucas Kaiser. Lucas is uh he worked for Comedy Central, but then he was uh we did Sam together back in the day. He became Will's uh digital guy or whatever, like his internet because we started, he's like, I'm really take, you know, we really took on the internet, like he really went hard one year. I don't know if y'all noticed. He was like, I'm going in. Absolutely. So the show came up and they wanted like a kind of a, I don't want to say expert, but they wanted like a person to coach him through every episode. So we had a shark swimmer guy in the mountain, you know, and I was the kid, and so what they had is they brought in like five comics to pitch uh to be Will Smith's coach or whatever. I didn't know this at the time. So I'm not really a reality show guy, so it was like it felt like a reality show. Like it was me, you know, Janelle James from um Abbott. She was there at the time before Abbott. Yeah, before Abbott, um guy named Noah Garden Schwartz, who's a big writer and stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, shout out to Noah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no. So we were all there and lined up like a reality show, and I'm just not so I was like, this is corny. Like I didn't know, I thought we was gonna hang out with Will and talk about comedy. But it was like, oh no, we're competing to be Will Smith's kind of comedy coach. And so I'm just I just kind of shut down when I'm not feeling the situation, so I'm just quiet. Everybody's pitching all these crazy ideas to Will. And you can be like this guy from the movie. I'm just like this, I'm ready to leave. I'm like, I didn't feel I don't I wasn't told the proper information because I probably wouldn't have done it. That's just not my style. And then um, so I ain't had nothing to say the whole time we chilling, just like, what's up? I'm punching up other people's stuff, kind of kicking it. And then we're getting ready to go. I ain't really pitch nothing. I'm like, I'm ready to go home, kind of like, it was great to meet him. I'm like, but I wasn't, I wasn't this wasn't what I signed up for. And so we're getting ready to leave, and then we just kind of talking shit, we'll fulfill it, he's cool. And so at the time, um his son had remember that song, I am an icon living. Fire songs that he did. And so we just talking shit. I'm chillin'. I'm like, yo, Will, what's it like? What's it like uh being the second best rapper in your house like that? Just talk this roasted, right? The whole room get quiet. All his handlers, his managers, agents.
SPEAKER_06I'm just like, I'm a kid.
SPEAKER_09And Will goes, ha! Hilarious. Okay, cool. And everybody start getting it. Everybody start laughing. Everybody start laughing. And then I'm I'm on my way home to the crib. I get a text. Will wants you to come to the house tomorrow. That's how he chose me. Wow. So I just was, you know, I guess he liked that one little bullshit. And then we uh we've been working together ever since. So yeah.
SPEAKER_07Before we slide off of them, them two, I want to know what's one piece of advice or thing you learn from being around Tip and one thing that you learn from being around Will.
SPEAKER_02I think it's um attack everything. And I think that's why I feel like he's getting he's gotten better at comedy so quickly. Because I was like, when I look at how he attacks it, I was like, oh, that's probably what he did with rap. And that's probably why I got on. Like you could just see the same, I guess, type of uh uh work ethic or work ethic, energy determination to do it. Like you said, because he he'll be in a random city and just call people and to try to get up on stage where like seasoned comics won't even do shit like that. So um I saw that and I was like, okay, if I attack each and everything like that, it'll probably be better. Because you know, we'll start some shit and it'll be whatever. Like I wanted to go to the NBA, so I was hooping, you know what I'm saying, every single day. I'm spending eight hours a day trying to play basketball, but then I'd go do other things and wouldn't attack them the same way. So even like with the podcast me and Ronnie just started, I was like, bro, I wonder if I did like when I used to hoop and I would really set my alarm and hoop for eight hours. And then, you know what I'm saying? So I really was set my alarm and go on YouTube university and just be studying all day and seeing how to post and looking at other people's posts and looking at what our subscribers are looking at and what they're messing with, like just looking through the analytics and all that, and it is just like, and it and it feels like it's working. So I just learned, I feel like I learned that watching him. Like, he could really just get up on stage anywhere and not really work at it. Niggas like his tip is in my room, tip is at my spot, he's at my club. We'll put him on stage even if he ain't working at it. But the fact that he is working at it, I'm like, yeah, that just shows me you gotta attack everything the same way you do the shit that you really love. So uh hold on, real quick.
SPEAKER_07The Will.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_09Uh man, I think um uh attitude reflects leadership. You know, people that work for Will have been working for Will for 20, 30 years since the fresh Prince days. And it's a reason for that. You know what I'm saying? Um the way he curates his team, everybody is important, everybody is love. He he cop he's so famous, you would think he wouldn't talk. He talks to you, sit down, look you in the eye. Um he's honest, that's why everybody still rocks with him. And it's like people, you want to enjoy working for the guy. He has a fact, he has a conglomerate, you know what I'm saying? This is a big business, dude. This ain't no, you know what I mean? Yeah. So everybody feels a part of the Will Smith success story. And you want you want to go to work every day. You know what I'm saying? And I think for him to be that big, it was just surprising that, oh nah, people really they enjoy just doing his makeup or carrying his clothes, or he makes sure that he's in a good mood, he's happy no matter what's. I mean, this is like August I'll see it, shit was cracking off, all this is going on. I was when he's when he when the Chris Rock thing, you would have never known hanging around. Because the energy's gotta still stay positive no matter what's going on, we're gonna fight them things, but we're gonna keep it number one on the call sheet.
SPEAKER_07That's you know what I'm saying? That's what that's some shit we were talking about yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One on the call sheet responsibility.
SPEAKER_04So uh that that's a uh super interesting segue in essence that like you guys have were both there to help cultivate people that we know are huge superstars, but you do that, you guys do that in general, because you have both found a way to kill it in a very specific bag. Pen. Being writers, do you ever feel uh constra do you feel like your comedy muscle is flexed in full when you're writing? Because you guys have both been behind the behind the scenes pinning amazing things. You said, do I feel do we feel like it's yeah, like cause because that's a different way to get a bag in comedy. Cause in my brain, there's only like there's only like six or seven ways to the money in comedy. Um like to like yeah, it's like it's like I I call them the three seasons commercials, commercials, oh not com well, commercials is one, uh cruises, colleges, uh, and cruises, colleges, and corporates is two, uh, headliner comedy clubs, you're featuring for somebody who does theaters and or uh arenas. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's like that, not that many ways. And writing is one of them. So it's like people be wanting to be at that table. You you guys have both been at writers' tables. Do you feel like uh the same muscle that's writing stand up for you is able to be its full self in the writing aspect?
SPEAKER_02I feel like it's it's a lot it's a lot more interesting because I think you just gotta um either for the project you're writing for or the person you're writing for, you just gotta do a lot more learning of them. And but you also at the same time don't wanna be writing for them as you, if that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Like it may be funny if you said it, but it may not be funny if someone that you're writing for said it. So that's like the I think like the balance. But I don't I don't really I feel like uh it worked it works my imagination muscle a whole lot more than when I'm writing for myself. When I'm writing for myself, I'm literally letting stuff happen to me, jotting it down, and then going on stage and kind of working it out. Right. For some for somebody else, I'm really just you know, building it from scratch, and that's just like a unique, a unique way to look at it, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_08What's the question? I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_06So, so so it's not dangerous about life.
SPEAKER_01It's not like what? Or rotations.
SPEAKER_04No, but I cause because here's my thing. In music, right? If we were talking about music writers, we would talk about Babyface, uh, Sean Garrett, uh, The Dream, all these people, they kind of get a different respect because they're writing stuff. Oh, okay, yeah. You see what I'm saying? It's like, and if they never ever get to touch the stage, then we never know. But I don't know if you get that.
SPEAKER_09You know what it is, man, for me, like I learned early, just personally, stand up wasn't enough. Like my personal like I like I I hosted Chocolate Sunday's first impressions for nine years. And I was just like, okay, what am I getting out of this? What have I gained? Um the stand up. Like I remember I went on tour, my first time on tour with Joey McDonald. We I think we six weeks, and I'm like, I don't, I don't, I love stand up, I don't like touring. I was never the comic that wanted to do really Cat Williams a hundred spots a year. That was never my vibe. I just never really, you know, I I don't know if London can attest to this, but man, being on set for a couple months is kind of cool, you know what I mean? Like being having a comfortable job, working your craft and being on set, but man, going on tour, and I wasn't on a big tour, but I'm like, gotta get the car to drive to this weird city, and then I gotta go, and then gotta argue with the guy with the money, you know what I'm saying? I guess if you Seinfeld, yeah.
SPEAKER_07But he's only done half-hour shows, too. You've never done an hour show. Another hour, yeah. That's that's a different monster.
SPEAKER_09Even still, I um I could do work and go do comedy. Like I was, man, I was in New Orleans with Killin It Man the first season. We do the show, and I go do stand up every night at the club. To me, that was living. But I never was when I see like Kevin Hart's. You can't do that with an hour show. But if I said what were you on the call sheet though? I was like, I was three, I was three. Yeah, okay. I mean, but on the weekend. On the weekend, if I worked whatever, the week on a Saturday, we had a Sunday off, whatever, I'd do a Sunday. But I look at I look at Kevin Hart's schedule, and Kevin Hart's the biggest in the world. I look at Kevin. I never want to do 200 dates. I never want to, that is no desire for me at all. But I still want to do stand-up. I want to do little spots. I called the Sarah Silverman plant. Sarah Silverman, she'd be in New York, LA, Chicago. She'd do her little six weeks and then go film a little thing. I always loved that. And I remember writing was just a way to just kind of like uh, and early on, we ain't making no money on this shit. Right. So writing, I was getting money, not money, but it was the first time I can get consistent paper instead of being broke, because we could go, we try to go, so DC, you know, you was working for Curry and DC Curry, like, oh, it was like, yo, this guy's coming in town, maybe I can get a couple of spots, but we gotta beg for those. So but riding was consistent, and it's just kind of like, all right, well, I just kind of ran with it. But I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_05Y'all can't do it. But as far as the touring, but are you are you still looking at the touring from the grinding space? Because like when you again, when you get to somebody on a, and I don't know his schedule, you may know more of this, but when you get to like a Matt Rice spot, now you can you can you can bread up on on a weekend and then have your week off if you wanted to.
SPEAKER_09But it's more about it's more about the traveling and the planes and the checking in and the TSA when the pre-packed.
SPEAKER_07Whether if it's private.
SPEAKER_09I mean you still gotta go do it and the packing and the repacking. It was just I'm just it was just exhausting to me when it's when I'll be in New York and I'll do six spots and be happy. You just want to do stand-up, you don't. I just want to do stand-up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you want to do stand-up for the passion of it, you love doing it. But the touring aspects of it is like I think it's the traveling aspect.
SPEAKER_09Now let's be clear. If I'm with if I'm with Matt in Australia for a couple of weeks, I ain't mad at that. I want people to act like I don't want to, but like when it's like a hundred dates, you heard like Matt Rife, he says, fuck touring.
SPEAKER_07Don't ever call it. No, no, no. I think that's because Matt doing.
SPEAKER_09Matt doing him and Jackson doing arenas. Yeah. But it's like when I look at like when I look at like this weekend. We're in uh Orlando. That's right, that's right.
SPEAKER_07It's different from doing the funny bone.
SPEAKER_09But I'm looking at schedule tied up till next June, I'm like, God, like that's all you like. I don't know. I just for me, it's like, I don't know, eating eating the food we eat, I just I just never was a fan of that man.
SPEAKER_07Well, I wanted to ask you then about writing then when it comes to I know you developing a show with Yasser, um, Yasser Lester, um all Fairfax, all Fairfax. How's that process been? Because I've developed shows before for years, and they don't get picked up. I'll be pissed, you'd be pissed off. You're like, I done did all this goddamn work. How how's that process going? And um and where is it at?
SPEAKER_09The process, so that that's probably my I don't want to say my favorite, but it's one of my favorite things to do is to be in a writers and with a bunch of writers. I'm always like, if if we broke out after this and started all working our bit, I love that shit. I love sitting in the room with riders just talking shit and figuring this thing out. So this is my this is my fifth show I've sold, and um I just learned something every single time. So this time I said, alright, you know what? I can film on my own where everybody tell me what I what they want me to do. I'm gonna do what the fuck I want. So I said, hey, so we're gonna do, I'm hiring my boy, who I trust, who got the experience. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I still ain't had to submit nothing. That's my guy. Because I know he's funny, I know we're gonna enjoy the process.
SPEAKER_07Writer the director of The Gutter. Great movie. That's a lesser.
SPEAKER_09He wrote a bunch of girls and all types of stuff. Marvel shit, too, right? Marvel shit, all that. And so it's like, if I'm gonna fail, I'm gonna fail with my boy because I know it's gonna be funny. Instead of writing, I've written a bunch of stuff that I sold the show, and it's like, well, this is what we want. You know what I'm saying? And it didn't work out. So uh the process is a bit different because it's like I call my man, we just talk shit, we write, and it just feels freer, and the show feels funnier because of it. So that's like the exciting part of it, instead of working for somebody, a show. You know, I don't know if y'all have written on other shows, you I'm sure you have shows that you don't even think are good, but you in the room, you know what I'm saying? I've been in there pitching shit to, you know, I've been I love Snoop, but I'm pitching shit to Snoop. He ain't gonna use it. You know what I'm saying? Just knocking hours out. Me and Candace Thompson and uh Matt uh Matt Richards was on a show, and we pitching a hundred jokes a day. Fire. And Snoop's like, I know I want to say that. So then we just dare. You just showing up every day, working at the room.
SPEAKER_02Writing for rappers is a is a whole different experience. That's why I don't I don't really enjoy it. Writing for rappers. Why you say that? Um, just because, like, okay, especially if you're used to writing for uh actors, obviously, but if you're writing for a comedian that's probably acting or something, they're gonna receive it differently. Just like you say, it's hundreds. Like, just being you, like, if somebody brought you a hundred jokes, you're gonna really go through and then like appreciate what they did. A rapper is gonna say, Oh, I ain't gonna do that. They don't even care that it took you six hours and you was up all night, like going through all that. They don't even care, so it's a different ball game. And then, and then when you're pitching the jokes to them, they can't see themselves delivering in that way. It goes back to what I was saying earlier, because it's like funny to you, but it's like they got other things to think about too. You know, maybe even brand deals or like what their fans are gonna say. Like, they're not that they're not thinking how we think we write a joke. We're just gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_09And then again, I probably wouldn't take a rapper's joke either. Like if a rapper voted joke, but that's different. You wouldn't run a big thing. I'm like, I'm like Snoop, I can't, I don't even, I don't even, I don't even pledge Crip, Snoop.
SPEAKER_06Don't pledge Crip. Brad Chapter Crip.
SPEAKER_07Brad Chapter Clip? The off-Fairfax show though, is it already picked up? Are y'all are you delivered a script?
SPEAKER_09No, we sold the pilot and we're develop and they're developing the script with us. And the thing about Amazon, which is so dope, hopefully it works out, but they don't do pilot. They do like, if they like the pilot, they they shooting the show. If they like the script, you mean like they like the pilot script. Not even the pilot, they like the script. They're shooting the six, ten, eight, I don't know, episode.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so so so now is uh turning Cold for Martin. It's bird time.
SPEAKER_06I'm done with the money.
SPEAKER_03I've done this a couple of times.
SPEAKER_04Flash. Flash. Uh I've done this a few times, but I never had a way to identify it. This is me being an absolute bird. Let's talk about this money. Oh, okay, okay. You do like money talking about it. I was like, where'd the cacao come in? Okay, bird, all right. Uh, because I have done yeah, one writing thing. Uh I wrote on uh the B uh Soul Train Award. Okay. That must have been a fun room. Yeah, yeah. Uh Chris Spencer, Malik S. Yeah. Uh Deion Cole was hosted. So it was fun. It was a good time. Um let me tell you something. That money was crazy. You've been the guild now. Yeah, yeah. I was them yellow, them green envelopes is different than my other residuals. Right. Tell me about the the when you're first doing the writing and uh the the money. I want to talk to money. I don't need to know exactly how much. You mean like per episode or what? I mean just when you first start getting those checks. When you getting the writing checks, it's a different bag. It made me, I I the bag with the money was so much I started thinking, I was like, well, I should just I should just write right more. I said I need to do if I did three of these a year, man, I'd be a happy person.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but getting those three a year is gonna take a good little bit, I believe.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because was you a writer on the cube also?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I uh the what?
SPEAKER_04The cube, the uh the Dwayne It was a game show with Dwayne Wade. You because I know you was the voice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I tried to not tell me you was the voice. Because I'm listening to the voice of the cube, I was like, that's Tyler. Yeah. I thought I'd be like, bro, are you the voice of the cube? He's like, no, what's the cube? I said, this nigga I can't say nothing, man.
SPEAKER_07I actually want to still stand on what you said. How did you get into writing? Right. And still talk about the money, but how did you get into writing on Wildin' Out in the Cube?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I try to make this as uh long story short as possible. Um they were having auditions in Atlanta for Wildin' Out, and I did probably two or three of them and didn't make it. But they came to Atlanta to film. This is when they was doing them in LA or New York. They came to Atlanta to film, and um since I had done it, you know, a lot of times, Nick saw me in Nile Evan. Shout out to Nile Evan. Shout out to Now. Um, you know, he's a showrunner for that. He was like, you know what I mean? You obviously, you know, I didn't make it, but I want you to come and you know, write for the show. Like write for the people that's coming on, maybe write for Nick sometime. So did that, you know, it just show improved. They asked you for 20 jokes, I'm gonna send 50. That's just like the type of person I am. So the next uh project that he had now was showrunning for a thing called the social media wars. I don't know if y'all remember that. She did one, right? They did one. Mike Epps was uh producing it. That's right. Yeah, DC was hosting, and Jess Hilarious was hosting. You feel what I'm saying? So I I wrote for that. And then when I when I got in the room, you know, it's four or five other writers in the room, we all submit our shit. That's how they do for award shows. You kind of just submit your stuff for the segment, submit your uh your monologue, any of that stuff. We go look to the final script. I'm looking at it, I was like, oh, that's all my shit.
SPEAKER_09Thanks.
SPEAKER_02This is everything on there. So I'm like, oh, I'm a writer now. Yeah. So that was when I legit knew, because it's people that's been in Sydney's room, got gray hair, they've been doing it for 20 years. They check it on. Yeah, about that. You see what I'm saying? So, like, it's just like legit. So then when you see the money, even though, I mean, shout out to BET, but they don't really pay like a lot of other places do, but it is residual. It does, you know what I'm saying? You are in the writer's guild, and that money comes in handy. Now, for wildin' out, this is where they get you. They make you a creative consultant. You're not a writer. I would be a multimillionaire if I could get residual checks from wildin' out.
SPEAKER_07Oh, so you don't get residual checks?
SPEAKER_03Man, brother, brother. I did one episode. No, you're right.
SPEAKER_02You can customize a EW and say, nigga. You get residual checks for being on the cast. I don't want to make it sound like that. But I'm saying, like being a writer, creative consultant. They don't, they you can't, you're not in the guild, so you don't. So that money would be insane for 30 episodes a season, something that gets played four to five times every single day.
SPEAKER_03Like 17 seasons, nigga? I'll be down. No, no, no, nigga.
SPEAKER_02We go on on 20, 21. Season 21 just air. Yeah, we shoot usually two seasons a year. How many?
SPEAKER_09Oh, okay, okay, okay. So it's been like 10 years, 11 years?
SPEAKER_02Probably over time. He took like a three, four-year break. He had that little moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had that moment. And he came back. Well, no, no, no. Not even before all that. That was back with D-Ray, Corey, Kat, Kev. They were all on the show. They took a break then, then came back to LA, and that was when Carlos Miller and Chico. Oh, the new regime. Yeah, the new regime came back in.
SPEAKER_09I mean, look, I'll watch some of the day. He might have made, Nick might have made not as many, but a significant amount of stars. Like some black S and L, bro. That's a fact. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03I don't even think you gotta clarify that. Like, that's easily. He's he's dead.
SPEAKER_09Like, you really think about it, like you look at the name, like, oh yeah, Avion and blah, blah, blah, and D-Ray. Matt Reif came from the water family. Nate was on there, yeah. Nate Jackson.
SPEAKER_07I mean, but to talk to the money part, because we all want to beer off of that. I mean, I know if you write a TV series, you get at least 50 to 100,000 to write, to write that. Like if you're writing a um, that's you're getting way more than that.
SPEAKER_08TV series like yourself, you're the writer?
SPEAKER_07You're the staffer. I'm talking about if you I'm talking about if you write create like the pilot. Oh, nigga, that's no, that's the first check. Selling a pilot for a TV? That's the first check, my nigga.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08That's not a car. That shit.
SPEAKER_03You know what though? I think we do need to get rid of the stuff. So what's the numbers?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like that's just stomping from our family. You say you call it a bird. I don't even think it's no birds. I just think it's something that people always want to know and want to ask and should ask, and we don't talk about it as well. Because it scares some people. It scares some big people.
SPEAKER_04So for some people, they they can't fathom those amounts of money. I couldn't either. Not none of us here. But that's what I'm saying. But you you couldn't, and then you got it. And you was like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_02That's why I'll be so happy in this room all day. Right. 12 hours. Okay.
SPEAKER_07So what's the what's the number then? You don't have to say your number, but what's the general number?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, because you think niggas out here jacking it. It's a we in a recession. No, but you get you get you start off at 100, right? If you sell something early. I mean, if you're if it's your first project, most likely with WGI, you start off with 100 and you can go up to like 200 uh for the pilot and you get it in residual. So you get it like uh so when you sell the show and you sell your film and stuff, but uh you work, if you when you sell the show, uh you don't get it all up front. You know, you get it for whatever the first thing is, then like the, you know, when you update the project and they you have your meeting and you do your notes, you get paid. So they do it in steps. Increment.
SPEAKER_07So like for like for half bait two, right? That the some people know I wrote that came in with. Uh I didn't anyways, that's a whole nother story. I'll get into that one day. Um they pay you in step. So let's say they want, they'll pay you$20,000 for the outline. All right, then they'll pay you another additional$15,000 to do a revision, then another$20,000, whatever for an additional revision. And then for the full the first full draft, they give you$50,000. And then the revision on that first draft, they give you pay you another, let's say$20,000 or whatever. So they kind of do it in steps, but in totality, it could be$100,000,$200,000 type dollars.
SPEAKER_04And see, and those are, so now we're talking uh, these are the the big networks because I'm regular, not like Aaron Sork can probably get something crazy. Yeah. Yeah, but even but I'm even on the flip side, on the low end, I'm talking bounce. Like uh Oh, I don't know. I don't know what the Negroes do.
SPEAKER_09Oh no, no, my brother. I don't know, I can't do it as good as him, but that shit's gonna bounce. You're right, bounce, that's I don't I don't do bounce.
SPEAKER_05No, listen, you I don't know what the niggas are doing.
SPEAKER_01Listen, listen.
SPEAKER_05These moments you gave what we call like adjusting moment.
SPEAKER_01You just I don't know if the Negroes are doing.
SPEAKER_05I know what they do a mental.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, go ahead. So no, but not even B.
SPEAKER_09No, BT don't BT pay good. Well, I don't know what they pay, but it depends on the project, I believe.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, I was I was Soul Trainer Ward, so that was a BT TV war. That's still under VICOM.
SPEAKER_09So they still have to still go by the same standards. I think a lot of writers. It wasn't on it.
SPEAKER_02Well, nah, you was with the when Bion did it out of the shop. That was uh Paramount. They hadn't moved to Paramount by the time Beyond did it. Yeah. But I bet Vicom was different, though.
SPEAKER_09The difference between selling a show and being a writer on a show. Right. So if you're a creator, as a creator, they have to pay you to create a writer WJ amount. They got no choice. If they're an actual B E T, bounce, HBO, whatever. They have to pay. Now, a writer, they could do some homie shit, probably. Just like, ah, come on, man, I'm giving you a job. Yeah. And that's happened. That happens in white rooms too. You know what I'm saying? But they have to, if you're a creator, B.E.T. gonna have to pay, what's her name? Daria from Detroit. You're gonna have to pay her the same amount that they're gonna pay her at Amazon or whatever.
SPEAKER_04Because she as a creative. She's a creative, yeah. Yeah, so because now, I mean, since we, I mean, we haven't uh, you know, Bird of Jace talk, what is the then what is it like when you're selling the show? Because you said you sold five shows. I've never sold a show ever. I don't even know understand that process. My brain writes to shoot. My brain, if I write something, it's because I'm gonna shoot it. Yeah, I'm finna call four properties.
SPEAKER_07That's why you gonna be ahead though. Because all this going and having to pitch shit to people that don't understand your vision, all that shit is about to be over real soon. Okay, all that gatekeeping shit, that shit's a wrap. So your mindset is gonna be the reason why you're a fucking billionaire.
SPEAKER_02Because you have the proof of concept more so than the person that just has a script. So you definitely are ahead of the game. So I I wasn't thinking, like, I think everybody should think in that way. It got me to say. Unless somebody like write this for me specifically.
SPEAKER_04Sometimes I'll be writing and like in the uh jargon is all over the place. In the action points, like in that italics, it'll be notes in there for camera shots for me. And I'll be like, somebody be like, you gotta take this out. Oh shit, my bad.
SPEAKER_03That was for me, baby.
SPEAKER_05Let me ask you this. Uh, so when y'all get writer's block, what do you because when you're in the writer's room, you gotta nobody cares about writer's block, you gotta deliver whatever you gotta deliver.
SPEAKER_02So what do you do to work through that stuff? I don't believe in writer's block. I'll write down some bullshit and go back and fix it before I say I can't, I'm gonna stop. I'm just going to keep writing it. And it may not feel good at the time, but this already you're gonna revise even if it felt good anyway, so you gotta just get it out. And then it and then you'll get just anything else, you get better, or maybe just take a little break or some shit if you you feel a little stuck. But I just don't believe in writer's block personally. And I maybe it helps being a comedian too, because you know, I think maybe just some people that are pure writers could probably physically get writer's block. But I think we've been through so much and had to write on the spot or did improv shit or or um, you know, not feeling well on stage and have to go through that shit. I think that that gives us, I think stand-up comedy gives you a boost in every area you're in, probably acting, you know what I'm saying, uh writing and everything. Pitching too. Pitchers, pitching, yeah, yes, yes, for sure. I agree.
SPEAKER_09There's I believe with that. Like, I don't there's I never really had writer's block only because when you're in a room, it's eight other people pitching ideas. So even if I can't think of nothing, you're gonna say something that's gonna make me spoke. It's like tagging up a joke. Right. So I'm never not gonna have something because you someone might somebody's gonna say something like me go, oh, okay, well. Get a spark. Get a spark and then go from there. So it's not like I'm by myself. You know what I'm saying? Oh my god. Go ahead. No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_07I wanted to talk about, I don't know if a lot of people know that you technically created roast battle. I was literally gonna go there, we were doing it. But not technically, man. Literally. Like I did. Tell tell tell that story about how the creation of Roast Battle came about.
SPEAKER_09Well, I can't get into crazy parts of the drama because legally I'm obligated to not speak on negative stuff. Um litigation. But um, nah, just two comics was trying to get into a fight. And um, so the comedy store on f on uh Tuesdays, they would leave the microphone on. So I used to go up there and just talk around, fuck around. And other comics would come, we'd all hang out, just talk shit, you know, do little fake mics. And the mic grew, open mic grew at 12 o'clock because the mic would be on at midnight when all the shows were done. And so these two comics wanted to fight. We was like, y'all nigga, we don't fight, we gross, nigga. Just we fighting for it. And I'll be, you know, I gotta, you know, I'm I'm known to have somewhat of a loud mouth. So I'm just talking shit. Since day one. Since day one. Nigga, you two. We just didn't come. Since day one. We're from the same school, nigga.
SPEAKER_06We are two.
SPEAKER_09Two comics wanted to fight, and then uh we just like, y'all need the ropes, and they were just horrible, and I'm up there talking shit. And it was called the rail battle battle. And then uh, next thing you know, more people came every week, more people to the point where we it was like a hundred, you know, it was it was a full two capacity room of just comics talking shit to each other, and I'm in the back yelling as the fake judge or whatever, and it became a thing, and then next thing you know, uh um it was like yo, this is a this could be a show. You know what I'm saying? And so I just kind of I was working at um we used to remember Marlon had the um Oh What the Funny? What the Funny? Yeah, yeah. So we would I had to work I was working there, so we would develop what the show would look like. So I'm watching like rap or URL, like how they do they the rounds and stuff, and then um we stuck we still some of the cameras from the we start filming it from Marlin shit? From Marlin shit. We just threw the cameras and we would like film some of the stuff because I used to I used to host Chakra Sundays first impressions with Pookie and I saw how Pookie ran the show and how organized it was. I said, alright, I took a little bit of that and gotta have this and the host and blah blah blah. So we started just structuring the show with rounds and we would get two comics a week, and it was like, you know, I'm a little messy, so I'm like, who you what couple broke up, y'all should do it. And then who don't like each other, y'all should do it.
SPEAKER_03That's that broke up roasting each other, that's fire.
SPEAKER_09And then that just brought controversy and people had beef. I knew who I knew what comics didn't like each other, like y'all should come, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, Chappelle started coming upstairs, and Sarah Silverman and all these celebrities, and then next thing you know, you know, in Hollywood, when something's hot, people just hear about it. And then it got on fire, and then it just kind of expanded, and then we got one in New York, and then we got it. But it grew from social media or word of mouth. Right, it grew word of mouth. We didn't promote it. I purposely didn't want to promote it because I it was the first of all, it was too packed, so we couldn't get people in there. But I wasn't, I didn't know at the time that not promoting it helped it grow. Because it was like it would be so packed you could only hear about it. I gotta see this show, I gotta see this show. I just didn't want to. Comedy store kept saying we're gonna shut it down if it's overpacked, so y'all need to stop letting people come in. So I just didn't say nothing so it wouldn't be overpacked, but that actually helped the show.
SPEAKER_04It didn't help, yeah, because you was a lying ass. That shit was way overcaped. No, I'm saying, but to not you just try to go to the belly room or two, bro, you be a nipping. But I'm saying, but not talking about it. That shit's crazy. That actually used to be crazy.
SPEAKER_09Were you hosting it or was Moses hosting? Well, he was hosting it, and I was the uh, what was it called? The it was like it was only one judge at the time. And then we added like celebrity judges, and nobody knows the fuck who I was. So we added like Bill Burr will come and David Tell and all these other people, and it just became just a phenomenon, man. And then, you know, we we sold it to Comedy Central all over the world, and we it's it's it's it was it was cracking, so yeah.
SPEAKER_05I mean, I guess which came first as far as was it the was the funny always was there as far as growing up, or was the creative imagination of writing always there? Which which one kind of felt like it moved you first?
SPEAKER_02For me, I believe it was the funny, you know what I'm saying, being the funny kid in the group, funny kid in the class. Um But for writing, I didn't even really start enjoying writing. I didn't write as a kid. I wasn't one of those guys that was like, hey, I'm writing stories, and I didn't write as a kid, I was playing basketball, that was all I was doing. But once uh I got to college, I had a professor, and he was dope as hell. Like I'll be coming from the class was at seven o'clock, we'd have five o'clock workouts, so I'd be coming to the class, sweaty, and all that shit, and he would ask me what was going on, and then he would like kind of just help me with my exposes or my whatever I had, if I had an essay or whatever to do that week, he would just like give me extra help. So that just was like made me like writing more. And that made me uh, you know, just felt like okay, I'm I'm introduced to writing in this way, and I'm actually good at it because I was getting good grades and all that. Didn't think about it, because still was trying to play basketball, got out of college, um and started coaching, because I didn't, you know what I'm saying, still wasn't playing. But then once I started doing comedy, I was like, oh, okay, here where I can use that, you know, I guess that that writing bug that I caught um in college. So first of all, it was it was being being on stage brought it out, and I was like, okay, yeah, I can I can write. I could write.
SPEAKER_04Creating something uh on your own, like you did with um with Rose Battle, and what what sparks that fire? Because you guys just did it with Perfect In that and it's moving. Oh yeah, yeah. Shout out to Ronnie Jordan. Yeah, and uh more and more than the culture. So what what what star sparks that fire for you to do it on your own? To to create something and especially when you see it working, because perfect is it's moving very fast. Yeah, we do it. Yeah. Because when did y'all start?
SPEAKER_02Uh we dropped on Thanksgiving. And and where where are we at today? We got uh we got 1,200 subscribers today.
SPEAKER_041,200 subscribers and it's been what two weeks?
SPEAKER_02Two weeks, yeah, yeah. Which I didn't know was great until I looked at something and it was like, yo, you know you're in the algorithm if you could get 200 subscribers in a month.
SPEAKER_09That's dope.
SPEAKER_02I did look at something. So I was like, oh shit, well, we got 1,200 in a couple weeks. So you're definitely in there for you.
SPEAKER_07And y'all built a fan base too with more than culture. So I feel like y'all's name is already out there. So it's that helps. Yeah, so the autumn years y'all did more than culture. Y'all are y'all still doing more than culture?
SPEAKER_02Okay. Yeah, we still got still got it going on. So we're doing both of those, but this one is just more like uh uh, you know, reactions to videos and shit. More than culture is more like this week. My bad.
SPEAKER_04I didn't want to. No, no, no. I'm just uh what what in like um you real you and you created that by by happenstance. The when you set out to do the when you're setting out to do the show with Yasser, it's already in the back of your head that you want to create a vehicle for yourself, coming off Superior Donuts and these other shows.
SPEAKER_09Everything I've done, I create it. It's like you get tired of waiting for everybody. You get tired of waiting for somebody to say you good or you can get this spot. You get tired of waiting. And it's a thousand comics, man. And a lot of them are good. So you got like, how do I find my own lane? You know what I'm saying? So I would do a lot of the rooms. People used to call me for not being to communion all the time back in the day. It was like, it was like, uh, I'm like, I'm looking at who making the money. We could all, we all did the communion and the artists, where the money gap? So I was trying to figure out the guys who were like in the room, the young dudes, we like us. And that's who I was starting to be around, like the Yasters and whatever else. Like we all can, we all throw the. Where's Gerard Carmichael at? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, who? We all want to work, we all got jokes, this nigga was killing impressions early. I'm like, okay, great, but who is Where's the money at? Where's the money, or or not even the money at, just who's moving forward that we all got past it to communicate? And where's the money at?
SPEAKER_04Because LA, because I remember that day in LA when I looked around the room and I was like, wait a minute. Right, because I'm not gonna say that. Somebody's making some money in here. You see two niggas talking to the side, they'd be like, hey, you guys talking about money.
SPEAKER_09I give credit to Pookie a lot, because even though people got their issues, I learned so much as being the little nigga who barely just go up to your little five and shut up. I would watch. And I remember headlining comics, I ain't gonna say who, would get off stage and be fighting over$25. I remember like, such, no, that's disconnect from what he just did as a stage. So I would find those guys, man, and creating your own space, you can control it. You know, like I don't I don't say I drop game, but let me just tell this one thing if anybody watching this shit. When it comes to shows and pitching, a lot of people just think we just go in the room and just be funny and give a pitch. I'm telling you have to have a plan, a beginning, middle, and end to your pitch. Present yourself, present your story, where you come from, why the story you're pitching relates to your real life, because that's how they know oh he's gonna want to do this show for 10 years, right? Have your jokes in there, but have a story beginning, middle, and end of your beats, and have an ending. Because people who don't know our culture, they can understand the story. Right? If you if you pitch it to uh a black executive, they probably know your story and you can fuck around. But people who don't know our story, which are most executives, you have to line it up in an organized algorithm that they can understand to to green light your show. That's like the biggest lesson I learned from the roast battle days.
SPEAKER_05That was my question also to you, which is that same thing, someone who's trying to get into the same kind of writing space or their version of it, um what also advice do you suggest?
SPEAKER_02Hmm, that's a great question. So, what am I suggesting to people that's like comics that are trying to write? We can go comics. Okay, so for comics that are trying to write is basically the same thing. See the people that's that's killing it, and you have some ideas. So you're gonna have some ideas as a writer. So if you got a story, you gotta think, okay, I need three comics to to be in these positions. So you write that shit and then you just talk to the comics and and see if they're gonna be uh be a part of it. I kind of lost what I kind of lost. Oh yeah, boom, yeah, yeah. So do so do that. Take the people that you got around you that aren't writers and write for them, write stories for them. You never know what it can, you know, can turn into. So I would say that. And if you are um be be that punch up guy if you are that guy. If you add an open mic and somebody comes down, they're working on some shit, like just like last night when Justin came down, he had some shit. I was like, maybe try this or try that. So be that guy off the rip, so then when people say, hey, you know what? Let me holler him, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, Rail will punch that up for you. You just go holler him, so then it just kind of becomes your your reputation that you're you know you're helpful first and foremost. Everybody likes somebody else, but you're useful. And then that shit, that might get you on the road with somebody if you'd like to help punch them up too. So though I would suggest those two things.
SPEAKER_07I got one last thing about pitching, since you've sold so many. People don't know this. When you pitch a show, you have to do a pitch deck. And a pitch deck is basically describing everything that Rail just said, you know, the beginning, what the show is, how it relates to you, maybe kind of uh what some episode ideas may be or what?
SPEAKER_02That show is similar to, that's a big point.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, what it said. They call that comparable, yeah. When you do your pitches, are you reading the deck word for word, or are you giving a summary of everything that's on the pitch deck?
SPEAKER_09So for me, um I I memorized my entire pitch deck. That's just me. Because I want it to come off so natural when I presented, like I'm just I pretty much do I perform a set with all the information. You know what I'm saying? So I know people that I know most writers aren't comics, so they read that shit word from word. But to me, that's just like reading the lines and audition, like, and then so me and Sally, so when it feels natural, I think it's just better personally. But I know people who who literally most writers I know read it work, they don't they got on personality, so they read it word from word. But I don't think it matters. I think the the points have to be there. But when I'm when I'm selling the show starring me, I gotta sell me. Nobody sells a show, you sell yourself. How long is the set? Well, I don't think a picture should be over 20 minutes, personally. 20, 20 to 20 minutes, less than more. If you go 30, you're going too long. Yeah. And you need to, and people, and a lot of us don't think about this. Practice, rehearse your pitch with your executive, your friends, present the show, have it ready to go, like you're doing on your special, whatever. A rehearsing with like when I do a pitch, everything I'm saying is already planned, even my intros. You know, I used to do like back when I was pitching on COVID, like, damn, we know, should we get some tests in here? It's like six people saying I'm I'm making the room fun.
SPEAKER_05You're going into it.
SPEAKER_09I'm going into it, like, should we need to do we need to get checked? We got it's gonna be three seconds, 15 of y'all on the on the Zoom pitching. We like this one, yeah. Right. But he's one of the good ones. So you do, so uh we just a lot of us think, and this is my this is my for my friends, we all know, just go in there and just talk about the show and just have a good time and crack jokes. No, no, no, no. You gotta set it up properly, but make it feel natural.
SPEAKER_05Is it just you by yourself when you when you guys pitched? Or you you is it like a good deal?
SPEAKER_09Uh Fairfax, I pitched uh myself at first and Yasser came in. Yasser started pitching with me. But but I was the I was the show and Yasser was the business, right? So we set it up. So I would do the funny shit and talk about my background, blah, blah, and Yasser break down this is how act one's gonna go for the pilot. Act two, and this is how the story's gonna be. And if y'all know Yasser Lester, he could, he's one of the funniest guys. He could pitch it himself. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07I'm about to say that's how they win in though, because they both comedians. Right. You see what I'm saying? So he knew the business, and I knew.
SPEAKER_09Right, but he we could have switched it, he could have been the funny one.
SPEAKER_07Right.
SPEAKER_09But when we selling the show, we want to know that, oh, we got the funny shit, we also got the structure. You know what I'm saying? And then we we kind of bring it together like, okay, we got the full package of what you want. It ain't just gonna be, you know what I'm saying? And I don't think, uh, just my friends, I don't think comics that pick shows present like that. You know what I'm saying? From what I've heard, I go, what are y'all talking about?
SPEAKER_02That's how I learned. Yeah, for when me and Ronnie was pitching the the show I was telling you about before we got onto Viacom before COVID hit, it was kind of we had it set up to where I basically was doing all the information and the facts, and he was coming in with the punchline. That's exactly. Because it was both of our show. Yep. So we both kind of really had to uh had to say something. So we that was what we figured out. I was like, all right, I'm gonna give the facts and how it's gonna go, where we came from, what why why this idea is good, why people are gonna like it, and you just gonna come in with the punch.
SPEAKER_09And shout out to Owen Smith, man. Owen Smith is my, if I can say anybody's a mentor to that. That was my next question. Absolutely. To that world, Owen Smith is just just he, I mean, I'm talking about like, come here, little nigga, and like the get the game, yeah, all the way through. Anything I've ever done, I give every credit to Owen, because Owen got like Owen and show line. He done hairline, I mean, what hairline? Uh Shoran, I mean how many shows? Yeah, he's like y'all got mentored? You got mentor.
SPEAKER_07I don't got no mentor. I've never had a legitimate mentor.
SPEAKER_04Stand-up, Don D. Sicurry is my stand-up comedy mentor for sure. Okay. Yeah. For sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_05Okay. What about y'all? Y'all got mentors? I'm sitting here thinking. Um, there are a couple of people. Um, Royale Watkins. Royal good guy. Good guy. Then Ruben Paul. Best guy, best guy in the business. Yeah. Really nice. Those those guys, uh, when I'm even trying to figure out I'm stuck on a joke or something, and they're both really honest, is like that, this and that. Because why why did this? And it puzzled me with the questions that made me say, oh, yeah, I guess that ain't click. Because sometimes in your head, your joke feel like you're like, man, you don't even understand.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my first manager too, though, uh, Tony Spires. Tony Spires. Yeah, he he he had uh he had a wealth of information. He did stand up too? Bay Area Comedy Festival. Yeah, the owner of the Creative New Festival. But he had so much information very early on for me to like see certain things and like little uh missteps. Um I have to ask this though. Hold on real quick, I want to shout out my mentor because I don't forget.
SPEAKER_02Rodney Perry. Oh, yeah. Probably all of our mentors. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04Rodney Perry, we love to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, somebody that's just starting their first day of comedy, like he's their mentor. But yeah, and then I want to say uh uh wouldn't say more of a mentor, but a peer that had done it so much before me that I would go to him to help on the writing side is Sidney Castillo. Oh, Sydney. You know what I'm saying? Like, even though we're peers, it wouldn't be more of a mentor's thing, but I I know that if I have something, I can send it to him and he can send it back. He always got a good tag, too. Yeah, he's good.
SPEAKER_04On that uh note, I have to ask y'all now specifically stand-up. Because both of y'all are monsters on the stage. Uh Real got a new special. Real got a brand new special. Oh, come on now. Yeah, microphone masters, baby. Let's go. Um, but stylistically, you guys are both very different, not just from each other, just from the zeitgeist and what's going on in stand-up. Okay, Zeitgeist. Uh, yeah. Okay, tricky words. Okay, Zeitgeist. How how how do you see your style as different? And and what do you think uh creates how you write?
SPEAKER_02So for me, my style was created by doing bars and grills in Atlanta. And I feel like that's why I have a rapid fire style of comedy, because in there you have to really, you have to you may have to drown out the crowd. It's not so much you get a chance to tell your story. Yeah, yeah, you're really just up there verbally fighting. It's almost, it's almost becomes a roast battle with with the crowd. So that's how my uh that's how my writing style, I guess, came about, just being fast-paced. And then hosting, hosting a lot more hosting a lot before I started being able to do five-minute sets everywhere. That was helping me out, getting off 60 minutes a night, you know, why while I was while I was hosting. Um but doing that, and then when you get to a room where they're really listening, your energy kind of overtakes the crowd then because you're so used to battling with the crowd. Now you got a crowd that's with you, like, oh shit, why are you fighting me? But they see what I'm saying, they just like having a good time. Like, damn, I ain't never seen nothing like this before. Yeah, because you ain't been to the jungle. You just you hear the setting and it's a cool, you feel like you're in a in a ballroom. But I've done been to the jungle. I'm performing behind the bar with the microphone. They like, yeah, you back back there. I'm like, hold on, behind the bar? Yeah, you back there behind the bar. So I done I done did all kinds of shit I think that shaped how I do comedy now. I feel like if I came up doing comedy somewhere else, I may have better storytelling skills. And that's what I don't like about where I am now with my comedy. I do tell stories here and there, but I don't feel like uh that skill matches my my improvisation or my just my rapid fire. Yeah, you can end and out a bit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But always super creative though, not like your your brain be somewhere else.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I try to I I try to do like I try to say some shit like where it's like maybe not a shock comic per se, but just some shit that you're not gonna hear anybody else say. And if a nigga says it, you're gonna know, oh no, that's that's Tyler shit. That's the only he the only nigga that thinks like that. You know what I mean? So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, let's talk about it, man. Because you because you do something very unique. Something will happen. Well, remember when you used to host Chocolate Sundays, something will happen Sunday afternoon. It's Sunday 3 p.m. And I can count on it that he'll be on stage with it. I could count on that you'll be on stage with it structurally perfect. Like, uh I like for me, your comedy is Clay Joc Clay Thompson's jump shot. Like, No, this is I don't care what y'all stuff. Maybe whatever, but this is our this is how it should be done a setup, a premise, a punchline, a tag, a tag, an act that's like it's perfect, and I don't know how you did it because that shit happened an hour and a half ago. You know what I'm saying? Like literally, like, like, like, so so stylistically, how do you get to that place? Almost, almost like if you had a late night show, if uh I don't even know if I ain't gonna say you wouldn't need a writer's room, but I'm not sure you would.
SPEAKER_09No, I noticed I give I gotta still give credit to Chalker Sundays, because that taught me so much, man. I noticed like it was very similar performance, like not similar performances, it's just I knew it, I knew it was gonna what the show was gonna be. Every comic was gonna be big performance, uh it was gonna be, and if they killing, you know, a lot of times you couldn't tell the difference energy wise. And I was just like, I'm not gonna, I'm never gonna be the comic fall on the floor doing that. You know, I'm never gonna be the, you know. So I was like, I gotta figure out a way how I can stand out within this show. And um, I'm you doing the show every Sunday, and at the time I got the job in my third year of comedy. So I didn't know how to really I just I had like a five minutes and I was kind of fine, I could do a little crowd work, but I wasn't really, you know what I mean? So I was like, I can't write material that fast yet at the time, but you can look at the news or topical stuff, and I could always have something every Sunday. And I don't know if y'all play all day chocolate sundays, but Pookie didn't play that. You ain't killing every week or doing you know significant, you out of there. And I just got so we all wanted to be at Chocolate Sundays. So I had to learn to uh whatever happened that day, I had to be able to get on it and be able to make it. And so it kind of developed my style. I was like, a lot of comics don't want to do new shit because they gotta throw it away after six weeks, or they just don't think about the stuff, you know what I'm saying? And I was also into like making shit that the chocolate sundae, which is mostly a black audience, making stuff that they normally wouldn't find interesting, interesting. You know what I'm saying? To me, that was always the challenge. We all can talk about weed and relationships, but I don't know, if we can make uh uh talking about uh healthcare or whatever that we talk about at home, but we don't talk about it in comedy. We can make if I can make that funny to a a black audience or like Venezuela or Epstein, whatever, we can make that funny to a black audience who normally don't want to hear that in a comedy show, to me that was a challenge. Even if I I took a lot of L's doing it. We would have seen it, I'll take a lot of L's, but I'd rather I'd rather be unique and different than be doing what every other four comics are gonna be doing. No, no, no, keep going. I'm I I'll come in and I know I know in in the industry that would help me too. Because a lot of executives, they'll come if they see five of the same comics who are all great, and they see one nigga who might not have destroyed in that level, but he was different and he was interesting, they normally will fuck with them. And I learned that during the NBC showcase and uh uh all these showcases when the person who went, we go, how they win. That's how they won. Because they were different from everybody else. And so I just kind of developed that from from there.
SPEAKER_07That's okay. Have y'all you ever heard the criticism that a lot of Atlanta comedians sound the same or sound similar? You ever heard that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02How what you feel about that? Again, I think I think uh I think everybody kind of was forged by the same fire. Right. So it may, it may, it may sound, it may sound similar, but if I were to That's a good way to put it, my nigga forged by the same fire. So you kind of it may feel that way, but let me just all right, so I'm gonna say a few names. Uh Tyler Chronicles, Nav G. Legend, K Dub, Carlos Miller, Clayton English. Five comics that started in Atlanta with five totally different styles. You know what I'm saying? So I think I think it's it's subjective to what you're saying. You may feel that way, but if you just look at everybody that's really, really doing comedy in Atlanta, we are all different.
SPEAKER_07I I say a legend when you said your name, but but uh I'm gonna take that back. What I meant was when you say Tyler. I was thinking about Tyler Craig.
SPEAKER_02Tyler Craig. That is a legend, man. Yeah, Tyler Craig was a legend. R.I.P. man. Okay. But again, another Atlanta comic that was way different than everybody else. You know, he had he had one-liners, you know, not too many comics got one-liners and shit like that. So Atlanta comedy can't, people are gonna say that, but by and large, if you look at it, people are different. We differ.
SPEAKER_07This this I got this. Why don't you feel the need to uh do more on social media? Like a therapy session now. He just barely made it on this show. No, I just don't post the clips. Yeah, nigga, you better reach the shit. I just I'm I'm telling you, hey nigga. I'll be we be looking at shit like that. I'm like, hey man.
SPEAKER_06You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04No, so it real life, because killing it, we we we literally are like trying to gain perspective. It's like there's the social media aspects, there's your it your resume is so exciting. Your resume is how you cut off this goddamn show. Oh, I know.
SPEAKER_09I was like, T T, whatever, I don't care. No, honestly, man, I'm I'm I'm I'm growing, I'm getting better at it. Um I'm I I I I don't care. So I'm trying, but I'm trying to care. I I I believe in writing good material, doing good work, being a good actor, growing as a as an artist. I don't give a fuck about social media on that level. I understand though that is the new game, it's the new TV. So I'm trying to embrace it. You know what I'm saying? But also, also, I'm yeah, of course. But also, um, a lot of it is a financial aspect, and when you're good financially, you're like, well, do I need to like I like I said, I never had a desire to do 200 spots a year, which is what social media is really for. So it's like, what's your goals? When people are like, you ain't doing it, it's like, well. Because you ain't gonna never sell no tickets. Like, I don't want to. Like people look at you like, oh, you you ain't why you ain't doing uh while and all the shit. Why you doing those other shows? Well, why I'm comfortable here. I like, I don't know, it's I like being in the writer's room for for my I like being on set, working on my scene with my actor and creating something. That's that's that's what excites me. That's a really interesting perspective.
SPEAKER_04Do I do I ever need to have good social media numbers? If I never plan on, I don't plan on the game.
SPEAKER_06Like, people expect the only reason you own it.
SPEAKER_09People expect your goals to be other people's goals. Kevin Hart's goals is to do that. To Rail, I like being in this fucking scene. Man, I get off on being in the fucking good scene, and we killed that shit, and we gonna, it's gonna be on TV. Me and Craig Robinson working on that shit excites me. I'm not excited by doing 100 dates. I'm not saying nothing wrong with it, but our goals are just that's super valid. That is a great answer.
SPEAKER_04No, no, that's a perfect answer. Because I don't, now that you're saying it like that, I'm literally, I turned, I just turned this apple around like, hey man, it's a motherfucking orange. Like, that's a totally different way to perceive it, because it's like, if I if I'm writing shows, I'm selling shows, and this is the game that I want to be in, then this is where my focus is. I'm not unfocused. It's like, you want me to build off social media because I'm a comic that loves to do stand-up, but I don't want to tour. I like if if I'm shooting a show in Montreal, and Montreal got some mics, and they'll let me get up to do these mics, and I'll do a guest spot here or there for the 30, 40 people that's in the room or whoever's headlining that weekend, yeah, that works.
SPEAKER_09Like, even though I'm gonna go my ass right back to saying even if I had the money, I I wouldn't buy a Ferrari. I think it's a stupid, uncomfortable car. Yeah. And you, and you, and the, and the, and the, they looking for you outside. Like, I just would never layer.
SPEAKER_07So it's like, what's your here's my only pushback. I because I agree with everything, everything you just said makes a thousand percent sense to me. I uh my only pushback is social media is how you build your brand. The brand of real battle. So instead of having to pitch something, they like, yo, he the dude. You see what I'm saying? So now it goes from you having to work on your pitch to now NBC coming to you, B E T coming to you, and saying, what do you got? Because your brand has become so large that we want to be in business with you.
SPEAKER_09But like I said, I'm learning to embrace social media, so I'm doing all this stuff. I gotta, like at the hour, right? I did the hour, I'm gonna cut that up. I'm learning to embrace these different worlds. I understand that that's the what the world's changing to. But it's one of those things where you get kind of spoiled, where it's like, well, if I'm getting the pitch meetings anyway.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You haven't heard, you haven't heard uh we would pick this up, but you don't have enough followers yet. You haven't heard that yet. What's that?
SPEAKER_03That's what the execs would tell you if you're pitching something up. Like, you have to.
SPEAKER_05I thought it was a TV show or something. It really sounded like you was in your you was in your dusting. Like, what it does? I don't know that language.
SPEAKER_09I never heard I never heard that.
SPEAKER_03What are you talking about? I wanna I do wanna say before you on social media is two things.
SPEAKER_02My suggestion for you is two things uh for social media. One is lean into the fact that you don't give a fuck, and that should be kind of some of your content that you post like you don't give a fuck about me.
SPEAKER_06I'm saying, y'all are right. I'm 100%.
SPEAKER_03No, I'm just saying, like just to give you some ideas, like you said, you get a spark. This nigga, look, look at that. This nigga said what is that?
SPEAKER_06What is this tone?
SPEAKER_02Everybody be crying.
SPEAKER_06We got our tears on this motherfucker. We'll say yes, no niggas ever had this conversation within the pitch they pass a project. Because your numbers ain't good enough.
SPEAKER_09I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But also, even with that, the guys with the numbers, if you don't, you still gotta know how to pitch a show. They still gotta utter that to your know how to pitch the show. And I'm not saying I'm gonna I would much rather be a guy that just give me shit and let me go in the room 100%. You know what I'm saying? You still gotta know how to, when you get there, how to like Kevin Hart's the perfect example. What that is. The nigga got the name and he knows how to pitch the show. But I I y'all on the hundred show. I'm saying, I'm saying I'm the ignorant one.
SPEAKER_02You got one more second suggestion I wanted to say. Like, people people are really going to the internet to learn more of that nowadays, especially as opposed to books and shit like that. But a lot of the jewels you dropped in terms of like how to write stuff, how to create stuff, how to pitch stuff, I think that would be good. That could be a uh internet team.
SPEAKER_09100% because people sell people sell to people sell stock advice and they say, I got my dentists on on TikTok. Yeah. About getting when you get your teeth or whatever. I'm like You got a podcast? No, I don't. That's all you need. Man, you with a podcast? I listen to that. What trouble I get into, nigga? You know, you know my real opinions here. I was talking about gossip, now I'm like, I'm saying, but you don't.
SPEAKER_04But the way that you understand uh what is happening in real time, if if you literally did two things. If you start taking when something happens, film, because you have uh uncanny speed for this shit. This shit will happen right now. Like, let's say the Diddy documentary dropped today. All four episodes, Rail will be on stage the opening bit. There's no warming up to this shit. Right. The opening bit is all right, diddy doc drop, you guys, let's talk about it. And this thing will have eight minutes on the shit. And it would be hilarious. If you could film that and put it up, it's gonna what it's gonna do, it's gonna throw you into the zeitgeist quickly. It's gonna throw you into the algorithm so quickly because everybody's already talking about this thing and you on stage. And don't feel it. You know what, BT?
SPEAKER_09I just went 10 years in the power universe. Man, that's why I'm gonna get it. Let me get fired. We gotta get to this game. We gotta get to this game. That's where the money coming from.
SPEAKER_07The money is. We got a game on this show called Kill It or Let Live. Okay, okay. Kill it or let live. I'm gonna throw out a topic. You know, you gonna say whether we should kill it, you're not messing with it, or let it live. Well, you looking at me like that, like something I gonna like about this. It's all good. Some seem kind of shady. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I don't like your face, Justin.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. Hooking up with white women.
SPEAKER_09Nigga, let a nigga live. Let a nigga live. Hey, look, if I could be Michael Jordan, Eddie Murphy for a weekend, they doing all right.
SPEAKER_02Uh, kill it. Um, always go with the black queens.
SPEAKER_09No, no, that's the fake.
SPEAKER_02No, man.
SPEAKER_09I hate these niggas who say that shit, but you see them on the block, they gonna have a little bit of a little bit more. We trying to bring us a couscous to you right now. No, your preference should be, I think your preference should be something, and then you can like play with everything else. Okay.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. Having a one-night stand and she gets pregnant and says she's keeping the baby. Ha!
SPEAKER_02That's a double on time, baby.
SPEAKER_09I never had a one-night stand, so I don't know. Really? Okay. Nah, I'm a lover, baby. You never had a one-night stand? No. Nice. Like hit it and then never see her again?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, the the appropriate way to do it.
SPEAKER_09Oh, no, I don't know. I don't know. Nigga, this is a hypothetical question. Oh, let it live. Nobody give a shit. Nah, man. I still got a little Christian in me. So I let that thing live. You let it live. You know how many Christians be at the abortion clinic? I got a little bit of it. No, it's our choice. I don't, you know, whatever you want to.
SPEAKER_07Okay, kill it or let live. Eat it ass.
SPEAKER_06But there's a little dingleberry in live. Bro, why are you doing? Who wrote this?
SPEAKER_01All of them. This is gonna be clear.
SPEAKER_06Okay, yeah. A dingleberry. Can I get Papa over the edit? It's a lot of package before something. What? Who need to derail the conversation? All right, all right. I got one better. He had a Dingleberry. This is a brand new one. This is a Bobby Brown moment.
SPEAKER_04Eat Nascome every day.
SPEAKER_06Number two.
SPEAKER_09You know what's funny? I see why he's the quietest, because he got more the most to lose. That's a fact. That's a fact. You don't comment too much.
SPEAKER_03No, you ain't really coming too.
SPEAKER_09You've been quiet all day because you're like, I can't ruin it. I got shit going on.
SPEAKER_02I got to get some hair in that buttons. There's some shit without the hair. Yeah, it'll fall out if she ain't got no hair. She got hair in the butt.
SPEAKER_06You guys elaborating on the biggest. You gotta look at visualize the dingle bear. Kill it or let live.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. Starring in movies for the rest of your life, but they will only be seen on Tubi.
SPEAKER_02Let live. I'm gonna act like that. Let live, bro. And also Tubi was just purchased by Fox, so at a certain point in time, it's going up. That's it. They're gonna do just like Fox and build it, build off the backs of the black entertainers, just like they did with Netflix.
SPEAKER_09Netflix used to be Tubi. Hulu used to be Tubi. It's coming to the point.
SPEAKER_04And departments just hit uh Tubi.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, oh yeah, departments on Tubi right now, man. Go check it out. Yeah, absolutely. Oh no.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I was just I was just talking shit. Yeah. I'll be right on Tubi.
SPEAKER_09Justin will never work for Tubi.
SPEAKER_02I done pitched the Tubi. Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah. Hey, matter of fact, the uh it was the woman over the comedy department. There's a new comedy development of comedy department in Tubi. She was at the show last night. Oh, so nigga, I might be uh answering that question for you. On Tubi. And holler at your boy when you get. That dude from Detroit, uh, I forgot his name, but he's been making Tubi movies basically since Tubi started. Oh, yeah. He's a millionaire. He's a multi. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I forgot his name, but he be going crazy. Yeah, so that would be fine.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. You get to experience time travel, but before you get to explore everything else, you have to walk in on the moment your parents conceived you. You gotta watch that first. The whole session.
SPEAKER_09Kill it. There's no fun time for niggas to go to in the past. Yeah, well, where am I going to do that? There's nothing better but before that was.
SPEAKER_02I would go to 1996. I feel like that was the best year for niggas on the past. Think about it though. Like a lot of comedians was getting TV shows, you know what I'm saying? Shit was in its prime, you know what I mean? Like black black comedy was a thing. I would love to go back and watch them film. Uh I don't understand what '96 was earlier, but I would love to go back and watch in Living Color. I'd like to be on set for that. There's a few things I think we could do, but by and large, if you just going back to this all the direct with shit, don't you do it. Don't you do it.
SPEAKER_07All right. I think that's the last one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think so too. All right. Uh, hold on.
SPEAKER_07I got one last one. I gotta do this because it's niggas that's so disgusting. This is the last one.
SPEAKER_02This is more disgusting than Dingleberry. Man, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. You're the richest man in the world.
SPEAKER_02Let live.
SPEAKER_07Hold on.
SPEAKER_05Wait a minute before we go further. This is just an asking. I refuse to. Now, if it was me, you could go right there. This nigga, I don't know if we got to see. Here it comes.
SPEAKER_07Kill it or let live. You're the richest man in the world.
SPEAKER_09Why do this show? I ain't want me. I ain't want y'all either. That's what we didn't talk about. I don't like y'all crazy.
SPEAKER_07You're the richest man in the world. But you have to you have to spray Jack Black's ass and sniff it.
SPEAKER_03So you had a question, BC?
SPEAKER_06No, no, no. And it's just the third eating ass question, ain't it? They're very ass-centric question. That's pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_07All right, I'm done, everybody.
SPEAKER_02Uh the uh I think kill it, actually. Just make sure I say that on camera. Because I did say let live. I don't want y'all to transpose and edit.
SPEAKER_04Top five strip clubs.
SPEAKER_02Oh shit. And they don't have to be in the. Of course not. Uh, but they're gonna be. Um because the only strip club I could think of outside of Atlanta that I may consider putting on the list would be uh Dallas Gentlemen's Club. Obviously in Dallas. But uh here we go. Top five, no particular order, because they all follow me. Um Magic City, just for like the nostalgia of it, and you know what I mean. You never know who you might see in there. Obviously, that's why I met Tip in there. Yeah, it's a great station. People, it's like the the entertainers golf course. A lot of people literally meet there for business meetings. Like they wanna, yeah, you want to talk. Let's meet at Magic, get something to eat in the daytime, whatever. Blue Flame has probably the best food in Atlanta. And I ain't even talking about best strip club food. No, no, no, no, no. They bought a kitchen, but they bought a restaurant that's a real restaurant into the club. It's Kale's Kitchen, so they got that, and then obviously they got some of the baddest chicks. Um I could, I could, I could, I could throw DGs in there, Dallas Gentlemen's Club. I will, I could throw them in there. Um, there. Uh King of Diamonds, I could go with that. Classics. Yeah. I don't even, is it still open in Miami anymore?
SPEAKER_03No, no, no, it counts. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02I think G5 is the shit, but whatever, it does count. Um, and last but not least, I'll go with um Oh, my homeboys club. I gotta show love. Xhale in South Carolina. You know what I'm saying? Gotta show love. Hey, listen, listen now. He gets refugees from Atlanta strip clubs and Charlotte strip clubs because they can come down there and make a lot more money because it's, you know, it's a lot of. You go to them small towns, there'd be some niggas with some money down there. Like they got a real good job or they're adult boy or something. So them girls be coming down there and getting paid, and they be fine as well. I'll pull up. I ain't gonna say that. Hell yeah. Shout out to X-H-A-L-E in Greenville, South Carolina. I gotta make sure I show my people some love.
SPEAKER_04Top five uh late night shows. Late night shows. Mm-hmm. Three left. I mean, all time.
SPEAKER_09You're gonna get one. Oh, I would never. I mean do all time. I would never do a late night show. Shit. That's a job. Oh, you're talking about writing on it. You mean like one?
SPEAKER_02You perform on one though, right?
SPEAKER_09I performed on the line. Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_02What?
SPEAKER_09I'm sorry, man. You had one. Rose battle? It was a late night show. Not roast battle.
SPEAKER_04The other show. The uh the show you was hosting. Talk about late night show.
SPEAKER_09You mean like a like a like a tonight show kind of thing? Yeah. Oh. Um I mean John Stewart. Daily show. Uh that was a great show. Uh Chris Rock show.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah. That's my personal favorite.
SPEAKER_09Obviously. Um shit. I did Conan, so Conan. That's my number two. Uh, this is a late night show. That might be my number one. Um Arsenio. Arsenio, obviously. Is Wild not a late night show?
SPEAKER_07No. Nah, you don't hit the format. It's a little out of the slight mode.
SPEAKER_09Is it got only V talk show?
SPEAKER_04I don't uh I guess. That's what I'm thinking of late night show. Late night is like yeah. Shit. Your pen, the reason I ask you that is your pen is perfectly structured for it. It's a lot. So that's what I'm like. And you had a show very similar in that structure. What show do I have at all? I don't know, but you had that show. I don't know what show you're talking about.
SPEAKER_09Um yeah, but those in Madden Johnson. Nah.
SPEAKER_07Chris Spencer, shout out to Chris Spencer.
SPEAKER_09I guess Joseph. I didn't, I guess I go Letterman, bro. Letterman, yeah. He's a great interviewer. But I never I never thought about late night shows like that. That's a tough question. I'm sorry, I thought a good answer, but I don't know. Those are all good.
SPEAKER_02I never thought about Especially Daily Show. That was the shit, man. That's a solid list.
SPEAKER_04There it is. Uh uh my final question for both of y'all, man. If you can have it any way you want, career-wise, killing it, what does it look like? You got you're writing the picture shows, you're starting a show, what is it?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know who somebody that has a very, very good career. I mean, a great career, I should say, and probably can still just go out to stores and malls and kick it and not have to worry about being rushed, and you know, people love them and cold. Yeah, that type of Right, right, right, right. Being known as a writer, but obviously getting acting gigs and then doing standing tour when he wants, doing specials like that. He got a life too. Yeah, and still could kick it and like just go to a bar and like not, you know what I mean? You just so I think that type of that type of career would be amazing.
SPEAKER_05That is a great cole.
SPEAKER_09Shout out to Dion. That's a real good one. I don't know if I could top that. I don't even know if you asked that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, just just what does it look just what does it look like to you?
SPEAKER_09I like, I love Donald Glover's career. I think uh that's because he he had to earn it. Like he went through all the hating. Not the mu I don't do the music, but uh I mean this guy, he wants to go do Atlanta, he'll go do a movie. If if I could change anything, like instead of the music, it'd be the stand-up for me. Uh-huh. Right, I go do a show. Well, I'm kind of doing it now, but it's not on a rich level. You know what I'm saying? On a very super successful level. You know what I'm saying? Like, he don't get no's. I get no's. So like to go do a show, music but stand up, you know, he'll come back, do something else. Like he's not tied down to anything. You know what I'm saying? He got his kind of his own lane. You know what I'm saying? So I think he has a really dope career.
SPEAKER_04It is. Uh, I'm great, man. Listen, man, it's been another episode uh killin' it. Yeah. I'm your boy B.T. Kingsley. London Brown.
SPEAKER_07Justin Heights, make sure you uh like, comment, subscribe, and uh continue to tap in with the culture. You know what I'm saying? That's it. Where can they be found though? Oh, and where y'all can be found at? Yeah, I was gonna found it. On your social media that you all so much.
SPEAKER_02Come on, social media every day, real battle every day, man.
SPEAKER_06I'm on my space, real battle. Rail R-E-L-L, Rail Battle.
SPEAKER_07Yes.
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