Killin It
Comedians London Brown, Justin Hires, & BT Kingsley converse with top people in entertainment and culture that are killing it in their life and career.
Killin It
BIGG JAH
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Comedian/Content Creator, Bigg Jah, discuss how he got his Tubi streaming deal, origin story of him creating content and his 'Tiberius' character, making money on social media, growing up in Los Angeles, and more.
Hosted by @RealLondonBrown, @JustinHires, @BTKingsley
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Executive Produced by London Brown, Justin Hires, BT Kingsley
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What's the most uh challenging part of creating content?
SPEAKER_00Uh ooh, social media content for sure is there's no off-season. There's no off-season. So like you gotta keep the algorithm going. You gotta chase the algorithm. That's the unfortunate part of it. And if you don't love it enough or be hungry enough for the finance part of it, I'll do it for both. I love this. So I stopped worrying about the views and started worrying about me and whether I enjoy the piece of content I'm I dropped.
SPEAKER_02What what was the um story or the thing you was gonna say? You want me to save it now or you say it? It's a quick one. No, yeah. Uh I was gonna save it.
SPEAKER_00We go rolling. We rolling that way. Oh, yeah, yeah. Y'all ain't playing around. Oh, no, we ain't messing around. Okay. Uh man. So look, real quick, I got a relationship with all three of y'all, man. Yeah. I've known y'all. And um, I started doing comedy, man. My first day, uh, London was there.
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SPEAKER_00You know what I'm saying? He was there, man. This is at the comedy union, man. My first bomb. Oh, snap. Yeah, yeah. Might have been mine, sure. That's the that's the home spot. That's the home spot. That's where I started at, man. And I remember being in the back, like working on my and I was, you know, I'm looking at my phone and shit, and you're doing the same thing. And we just talked. I'm shopping it up. I don't know nobody here. You know what I'm saying? I don't know nobody. My auntie told me to come down to the comedy union, and she's like, they got Monday. They got like uh they got Monday, like uh open mic Mondays. I was like, okay, cool. I'm going down and then the day I decided to do it, like the third trip, and I came out there with my little, my little, my actually I didn't have my phone. I had my phone, but I had like a little the composition books, the black and white little had that one folded, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02We old everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Writing with a pen. Yeah, writing with a pen. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And uh that used to be how you used to get girls' phone numbers back in the day, too. What's your number?
SPEAKER_00Do y'all remember uh the Macy's? Obviously, they still got it right now. Like you get the clone, the perfume little stand up at the uh Blooming Dills or whatever. Yeah, I used to take one of them, and it's always a baddie behind there, spraying you down, you know, spraying you with the So I used to take the little, the little uh let me get your pen real quick. And I'm she thinking I'm about to use the pen for something else. Take the pen and then take one of the little uh perfume things that you spray and get a number that way. Yeah, that's back in the day. That's what my own. That's almost the perfect size for a phone number. Right, right, right. This is a folded and but nah, uh, real quick, I was saying the story. We were talking about like this uh just promoting the homies and like supporting your boys. And and you were saying how Rick Ross had uh you saw a clip of him talking about how he you're supposed to promote your homies like they're yours. I mean, like like whatever you're promoting is yours. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Promote your homeboy stuff like it's your stuff.
SPEAKER_00Exactly, exactly. And so, and here's the thing, bro. I've known you since I started comedy, so 15 years, and we don't talk often. And we didn't even back then, when I when we knew each other uh consistently, like on a weekly basis, we was in the clubs every damn night. Um I got a call from a random woman. Her name is Gia Taylor. Shout out to Gia. And she was like, Hey, how you doing? My name is Gia Taylor, and this is I'm talking about this over a decade ago. She was like, and um uh I I got referred to you from Justin Hires to shoot my short film, and I would like to know, sit down and talk to you about your race and all that. I was broke as hell back then. I'm talking about this is this is over 10 years ago. Wow, you know, this before the big job push, this is before I don't think any of us was really cracking like that. Yeah, right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Um and I was like, man, and we knew each other, but we wasn't everyday homies. Right. But like I was like, it was I was so surprised that she and she was a paying customer. He was one of the first people that put money in my pocket, bruh. Wow. You know what I mean? And and we see each other in the clubs all the time. We there every other night, if not every night. Right. And it's love, you know, it's just camaraderie amongst coming comedians. Yeah. And we get we giving each other tags and you getting off stage. I remember you was like one time, hey bro, you make me nervous with that toothpick in your mouth. No, no, no. I used to always have toothpick. I always do be on set, doing my set with a toothpick in my mouth. I was used to it. He was like, man, I just I mean, hope you don't choke. I was like, okay, notes. That was funny, man, but that's my note tonight. But like that's me. That's it. Yeah. And so it just showed me even back then that you are the type of brother that would like, hey bro, you need so you need a DP, you need a cinematographer, a cameraman. I know somebody that because I at that time I was pushing myself. Like, um, I'm telling everybody, all the comedians, all the little actors that I know, hey bro, I'm shooting everybody's content.
SPEAKER_01You need me to shoot that content. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um, I and I don't think I even told you that, but you knew I was doing it because I was trying to spread the word. Yeah. And so just that let me know, like, every time I think of you, bro, I think of that time. That's over a decade ago, bro. I almost cried just now.
SPEAKER_02I know, don't do it, man.
SPEAKER_00Because I'm an empath. I'll start crying too.
SPEAKER_02On some real man, I I learned a long time ago, man, to just be a good person. Yeah. Uh, and not do good. And I learned this in like college. It was like either Socrates or Aristotle. It was like basically like the art of just doing good for good sake. Right. And, you know, if you get something in return, cool, but everybody should strive to just be a good person just because it's the right thing to do. Right. You know, and so man, I obviously seen that you were somebody that I that was putting in the work on your grind, and and I must have thought very highly of you to be like, yo, hit him out. Yeah, hit him up. So that's what's up, bro. I appreciate you sharing that story.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead and go in the world. We're here, man. Hey. Welcome to another episode of Kill It It Man. Uh, I'm very, very excited today. I'm one of your hosts. My name is B.T. Kingsley. London Brown. Justin Hyas. And man, it's gonna be a good day. Uh friend in the house, man, but extremely accomplished. You know him, you love him all over all your socials. One of the most uh one of the founding members of our class of pushing everything forward of independence, lesbian homie, whole crew stupid. It's too man, we getting into it today. But dog here, man. Big job! Put a man to the man.
SPEAKER_00Hey, I appreciate y'all, man. Thank y'all for having me here. This is dope. I'm excited. I promise you, man. I'm like, man, this is and we we shared it earlier about like I got uh a relationship with all you guys, even if you don't talk on a regular basis. I got you, I still got your number on my phone. And and I'm talking about like since the first time we met.
SPEAKER_02Remind me, I need to change that. Not for you, but for TV.
SPEAKER_00Hey, sometimes I get I get calls too randomly. Hey, what's up, man? Remember me? You gotta say that, bro. Come on. That's a telltale song.
SPEAKER_02I listen to my voice, though. Y'all, did y'all listen to that? What I said, y'all? Oh my god, that was hilarious. Oh, yeah. Yeah, somebody's yeah, but anyways. Nah, man.
SPEAKER_00Uh I'm glad to be here, man. It's dope. And uh I I've been watching y'all over the years. You know how uh like I was saying earlier, man. My first day on stage, uh, London was there. And I don't know if he remembers that, but this I'm talking, I'm talking about 15 years ago. Right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And uh, and so like I remember those type of things. I'm a person, I'm a journey guy. So I look at my journey and I look at all the people that were a part of that. Right. Like if I ever did a biopic, not saying I ever would, but if I ever would if I ever get to the point where a biopic is necessary, I'm sure certain people and and are gonna be in that. And even like I say, we don't we don't speak all the time, but uh I remember. I got my memory is pretty solid, man. I remember all the things, all the like the stepping stones, all the hard hurdles, all the bumps and bruises I done took, and I and I remember that. So, and uh nah, this this journey that I'm on right now, man, is it's fun, and y'all are a part of that, man. Oh man, I appreciate that, man.
SPEAKER_01We couldn't have had you at a more perfect time, because one of the things that has come up consistently on this pod for uh all the people that we have talked to is this doing it on your own thing. Um and right next to that, one of the things I've been screaming is narrative, which you you number one as far as I'm concerned. Like, um, because not many people are doing it at the level that you're doing it at. Uh, we have to talk independence. I don't care if we talk about this the whole time, baby. Because getting into the the thick of it, your journey. I remember stand up. I remember when you went into film school, how did you get to this place of independence and why was it so important to you?
SPEAKER_00Rejection. Rejection. And and and not in a bad way either, because I'm a I'm a former athlete, man, so rejection is is is is very common. You know what I'm saying? Even rejection could just get a stiff arm on the field. You know what I'm saying? So rejection is like you on the bench and you watching somebody play over you. And you and so I've I've I've I've taken I take rejection and I use it as fuel, uh-huh, you know what I'm saying? And um and so it is uh rejection is necessary. That's how you build that's how you build, you know what I'm saying, resilience um and just and stick with it in this. So yeah, that's how I got it. I but that's my first thought is rejection. But uh, because I was, you know, we've been doing this for a long time. And um it's crazy, man. I I remember uh seeing each of us on stage at some point, right? You know what I'm saying, going through um the stuff that we go through, like our bitch and stuff like that, and and I see it. Uh even with the key and peel energy you I watched, and and I was like, I remember I remember that energy on stage, you know what I'm saying? And especially you with everything that impressions, man, this high energy, this the and so the scene where you at is is fire, it's inspiring. And watching, man, I I got I got stories for the days, bro. Even before I was doing comedy, bruh. Uh shout out to my friend brother Nate Jackson, my brother, man. Hey, Nate. Uh yeah, um, he invited me to a comedy, uh, one of his comedy shows in 2008.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, and um, and he was there, come out, bro. And he was way out in IE. And then for the niggas from LA, that's a that's Japan. Right, Japan. So yeah, yeah. We I go out there uh one of the homes. Like an overnight band. Yeah, for sure. Atlas, you know what I'm saying? Thomas God and the Map Quest and all that, you know what I mean? But we get out there and uh I think the first person on stage was you, either you or Clayton.
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SPEAKER_00Oh wow, yeah. That's like he got a shirt that says Big School Energy, which is one of his big yeah, and I need to get one of those matter of fact. Gotcha. Um, and uh you had a shirt 15 years, 16 years ago saying partake in my cross watch. Yeah, so BT been at this half his life, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Promoting himself, promoting his his gift. And I remember that, and I wasn't even in a comic yet. I went through this as a consumer. And I'm watching, I'm like, oh, this is it's just great. I gotta I gotta get up there. I gotta get up there. You, CT was there, Ida Rodriguez was there. Uh I remember this. Yeah, yeah, this is improv, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so that's before I met you. And and literally weeks later, I met you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, first. But I didn't know his thing, his thing. I didn't even meet him yet. I knew what I saw on stage. He actually talked the first day I was.
SPEAKER_02You from LA?
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well, hey, put a couple shit in the same way. He said he was gonna do it then. Yeah, he never did. But he did a slick because I didn't notice either. I didn't notice either.
SPEAKER_01I looked over there and thought I was working on mushrooms.
SPEAKER_02Well, I want to know like what part of LA you from and what was your childhood like?
SPEAKER_00Oh man, 94th of Vermont, man. West Side. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh grew up over there, but I moved around uh often, so from there I was uh 94th.
SPEAKER_02We go get into it. Trust me. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00I went to 42nd Elementary, and um, uh, so that's in the 40s, and then um we moved from there to 94th of Vermont, which is across the city. You know what I'm saying? And uh then I went to Audubon, and these are schools y'all probably don't know, but he does for sure. You know, um then uh I went to Bret Hart, I got kicked out of there. I went there too?
SPEAKER_03I went to Bret Hart. Yeah, because I'm I lived on 91st and Fig, so we right over the right across.
SPEAKER_00We right there for sure in the 90s, man. And so I went I uh I kicked out kicked out of there, and I went to uh John Meere and then uh Arthur Slauson and then uh and I didn't work out too good either, man. My mom sent me to my pops. So I my mom sent me to my daddy.
SPEAKER_02It didn't work out because you wasn't good in school or what was the running around with the wrong folks, man.
SPEAKER_00Uh it's easy to get distracted, you know what I'm saying? Like any inner city, you from Florida, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Florida, same thing.
SPEAKER_00So like, yeah, so and and Texas and Sack, yeah. So if you and I'm in the middle of it, you know what I'm saying? So like I say, I gotta drive, I gotta go 50 blocks just to get to my middle school or elementary school from where I live. So you in a like if you're not if you're not born in it or inherited it into the gang and gang culture, and you it's hard to navigate around it if even if you're not from it, you know what I'm saying? So uh just being this, you know, you got homies that you grow up, we we kids, we seven, eight years old, and then every everything's innocent. Then as you get to nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and then some of the homies start drifting off, and next you know, the summer come back, they from the hood. And this homie from that hood, this homie from that hood, they moved over there now, so now they from over there, and now they enemies, so it's about to say, what happens?
SPEAKER_01Well, you just when your mama just moved, like, this ain't my far. I love the deer. Oh yeah. Mom, you moved me into enemy territory. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03And have you and have when did when did this hike thing, when did this because I'm I'm from what you're saying, I'm trying to figure out at what point did you start to look like um as opposed to being one of the members of the gang, you look like the gang leader. Like when did this this height and all of this? Did that play any part?
SPEAKER_00Or you just that just the sprout happened later and it was just No, I was always a big dude. I was always like 10 years old looking 13. Okay. You only 10. So like I was always like the kid that all the big homies wanted to to like recruit as like a little youngster. You know what I'm saying? You know your little YG or something like that. And I was never, I my pops, I was afraid of my pops, man. So like I was always outside. I was always doing just enough to like, all right, this is where I'm gonna draw the line. I'm gonna stop that. I'm not going, I'm not hopping in the whip with these niggas. I'm gonna go home. And it got to it got to the point where some of the homies was like, bro, you can some of the older niggas was like, bro, go in the house. Nigga, we finna get into some dumb shit. They knew I was a kid on the on the block that mom was going to church. A lot of the homies was raised by their grannies. You know what I'm saying? So, and you know, when you raised by your grandma, sometimes you you get instilled that good home, home good training, uh, home training, uh, what's what's the word? What's the phrase? Uh good home training. Yeah, good home training, yeah. Uh or you you just kind of um getting raised by somebody that's on auto autopilot. You know what I'm saying? Your grandma or grandfather just kind of like doing the best they can to keep you fed and all that, but like a lot of those kids just running the streets. Right. And I was a kid that my mom we went to church every Sunday. So I'm coming home on Sundays with my little fit on, and I gotta take that off and throw on the jeans and the sweats and go outside and play. But I was I was always the I was the good kid on the block that had a that went home and it was like it wasn't no chaos. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02But outside was so you was never like a bully or ever used to I used to bully the bullies, bro. Yeah, yeah. I used to people don't believe, I used to do the same shit.
SPEAKER_00I used to bully the bullies.
SPEAKER_02Bully the bullies, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I have I seen like I don't remember uh I went to Audubon and we they had Scrub Day. And like back in the days, you scrub, you be in seventh grade and then you're a scrub. I mean you you know that's like being a freshman in high school, but it's middle school. And they're gonna you just gonna get mopped. You're gonna get beat up just because you a youngster and you young and you the newest kids, the newest road kids. And I didn't they didn't think I was a seventh grader because I was so big. You know what I'm saying? So the homies is over there getting slammed into in trash cans and stuff. I'm talking about they'll take you and dump you in the trash can. For sure. Yeah, for sure. I've seen that. Yeah, and and and and so you try to fight back, they gonna jump you. You know what I'm saying? So I was the one that was always protecting the homies and and just taking the fave form. You know what I'm saying? But I was I was a goofball even back then. So I was good in sports, I was a big kid. They didn't know I was young like them. They thinking I'm like a transfer, that's the eighth grader, ninth grader. By the time I got to high school, I moved to San Diego.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, but I was I was never a bully, man. That was never my thing, man. I I'm uh I've been the same way my whole life. Even the homies who knew me when I was seven, they see what I'm doing now. I looked, I looked the way I look, but I've always been funny, I've always been silly. Right. It makes sense that I started doing comedy, you know what I'm saying? So, but I've always was with the shit too, you know what I mean? Yeah, and it I'd rather not be, I'd rather just be just hang out by the by the by the monkey bars and pitch booty cheeks, you know what I'm saying? And play with the girls. But if you if he trying to squabble on with that too, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You and you and uh Craig were like uh my LA uh Craig Smith.
SPEAKER_02He be only doing first names. We like, who you talking about?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you and Craig Smith was like my uh my LA compass of like you know who's, what's and where's. It was like bro, I remember you told me, he was like, bro, I don't care how fine she is, don't you get your ass on that one ten to go see her. Nah. He said if she can't come to the valley, then it ain't worth it, bro.
SPEAKER_00Nah, you don't know if you don't know where you're going, bro. It's it's it can be a problem. Unfortunately, man, that's how it is, man. But it it's yeah, yeah. So that's that's I feel like, and that's kind of why I wanna but what's life without risk?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, do boot it? I'm going.
SPEAKER_00You will decide is she worth it? Yeah. So you sort of ask the question, where you stay at? What corner? No, I'm not not on that corner, I'm on the other block. Okay. Yeah. Do I know somebody over there? Do I know somebody over there? Yeah, you guys are. It can even be like, you it don't even gotta be a big, strong dude. This could be it could be like, let me call somebody just somebody little cousin. Somebody usually gotta be a dude. And if he and he gotta be somewhat of a man of respect over there too, because I didn't been in the Jays, I done been over there with my homeboy's little cousin, and they be like, Ricky, Ricky a bitch, blood. They jump on the just because they didn't like him. Right. So we was like, you know, over there. No, we know Ricky. Ricky who? Ricky Dawson. Ricky already, that nigga's a bitch. And they got a bonus. You know what I'm saying? Damn. And he'd be like, bro, what you been doing over here, man?
SPEAKER_03You can't even use you to vouch. Everybody, stop what you're doing right now. Make sure you subscribe to Killin the Pie. Boom. What's your uh favorite childhood memory? Ooh. Favorite?
SPEAKER_00Um man. That's so many. That's a crazy. You asked that question to somebody before?
SPEAKER_03Uh not that particular one, but they're all kind of in that zone.
SPEAKER_00That's a great question. But damn, man, that's that'll have a nigga start getting tear. I didn't already have a big thing. Um we're killing it, brother. Yeah, yeah, true. Man, it's so many. I do have a lot of them, bro, even through the turmoil. And I got a lot of great memories as a kid, as a child. But uh probably the one that stands up. I will say this. Uh, one of the things that shaped me, probably as a filmmaker, is uh being from LA, being from the hood. We didn't I I I didn't even know where Burbank was until uh I heard Sydney had a had a joke. Wow from Texas, but he moved out here to do comedy and act, and I'm watching him do a joke about being living in Burbank, and I'm like, what part of what I'm I'm grown. I'm about to say you're in your 20s at this point. My 20s. That is hilarious. Yeah, but I'm from LA. That's where I live. Burbank. Yeah, that's where we are now. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just to cut in, like everybody's from here. Like, Burbank is like I said, that's new. If not necessarily for me, because I sometimes would have like the audition and the actor side of that early on, but all the comedians, that's like I realized even with him, like, that's the hub for y'all coming in. It's Burbank. But we don't think Burbank is not in the normal route.
SPEAKER_00North Hollywood, North Hollywood, Burbank. Yeah, you I heard of Hollywood, and that's where I'm going with it. We used to, my mom used to take us to a movie theater up here, and it was like two dollar movies or something like that. So we would drive all the way up, take Western and passage.
SPEAKER_03It did feel like all the way up, too.
SPEAKER_00All the way up. Yeah, now it's like no traffic. Look at it in like half an hour. Yeah, yeah. It's still a little push, but it ain't like crazy. To me, it felt like a couple hours. I'm in the back seat of my mom's car because I'm the youngest, so I'm on the back seat of my sister in the front. Right. And she's taking us to the movies, and we and she, we didn't make burritos and stuff, tin foil. I'm getting fig newtons. That's what I used to love back in the day. You know what I'm saying? Licorice, rare vines, and then we go to the movie theater, and that's that was my that was Hollywood for us. And it was in Hollywood, and that was uh that was like getting out the hood for us, and that was the best thing in life, man. Yeah, and so I was like, man, I used to see the uh Avenue of the Stars, and then see the uh Hollywood, the stars on Hollywood, and I was like, damn, I didn't even recognize that until I got older, and I realized I remembered that. Oh, I've been here before. Right. And I was 10. Yeah, but I didn't know, you know what I'm saying? So that I didn't even know this uh in LA, you can it could be a spot 20 minutes away and you never know it existed. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because everything we had was right then and there. We didn't get on the freeway that much. This time me, me and my mom and my sister, we didn't have a car.
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SPEAKER_00So we on the RTD, you know what I'm saying? With groceries from Food for Less, you know what I'm saying? So that's so that's my memories growing up, and even though that was tough, and uh sometimes we come to the crib, we come home, and the house is ransacked. You know what I'm saying? So like, but I remember we we was together and it but and also the kind of even even in my com my comedy now and and and and And stuff I talk about now, I make fun of it. I kind of make light of it. Not light of it as as as if it doesn't matter, but like, you know, you laugh through the pain. You know what I'm saying? So and uh and being from LA is a is a specific place. Like people from here understand what I mean when I say RTD. And when I say you you pass up your your transfer uh transfer stop because niggas on the block waiting for niggas to hop off and start and start getting on them. You know what I'm saying? You 10, but you look 15, you look 14, they're gonna think you in high school with them. Nah, bro, I'll go to 42nd. Uh I got a library library car. That's all I had in my wallet. Right. In the in the bus mask.
SPEAKER_03And then also, too, I think people don't realize now that gang culture in LA, like now people, you can't tell if they're rappers, it's it's a different thing. But back in the day, that boys in the hood, missing society, khakis, and just yeah, you gotta miss a stop, man, just to be just to be safe, man. But it's dope that you're able to incorporate um some of those early childhood things into your material. Do you also incorporate that into your your filmmaking? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's what uh production companies call Dirty Chucks Entertainment. I was walking, I was walking, I mean walking my whole life, bruh. Yeah. And sometimes it's safer just to walk because you just move it, you waiting for the bus. And so you just sitting, you're sitting duck. You missed the bus, that's the worst thing you can do. You're 12 years old, 13, and you missed the bus. Now you're just sitting there for 15 minutes. 15 minutes is too long. They ain't had time to pass by, go in the store, see you, start to walk in. Why are you over here? Yeah. When you see the dude, somebody ride on the bike, one dude ride on the bike, and he's looking at you, and then you see him two minutes later, riding around again with FOMO dudes on the bikes, and you okay, they they were working, they working their way up to come over here. Yeah. Where the bus at. So now you're looking down the street, maybe to start walking. But yeah, so one of my fondest memories is like getting being able to get out the hood and watch a movie. And um watch, um, and then I remember there was no movie theaters right there uh before Magic Johnson. I remember I remember before there was a Magic Johnson Theater. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And there was a movie theater in Hawthorne. Yep. Yeah, Demolition Man was the last movie I watched there.
SPEAKER_02Yes, dog. Fun fact, the showrunner uh McGyver wrote Demolition Man. Fact. Yeah, Peter Mancall. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's fire.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So So, so when you uh we talked about your uh elementary high school, what film school did you go to and when was this?
SPEAKER_00I went to Cal. I went to UC Berkeley. I went there to play football and to study film there. So that's where I went. Um back in high school. I uh I was I didn't even know what I wanted to do yet. I'm thinking I'm going to the league. So uh that was my focus, football. So when I went to Cal, I was I was a recruited uh walk-on to Berkeley because I wanted to stay in the city, I wanted to stay in the in the in the state and play against all the dudes that I went to high school. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of how you do. Um you stay local. And um, and uh in the and I would look at the majors, cinematography was my major, and uh I was gonna go go in the league, play 10 years, retire, and then become a filmmaker. That was the goal. Right. Uh didn't get to the league.
SPEAKER_02So I got time now, yeah. Yeah, I got time.
SPEAKER_00I gotta figure it out, I gotta figure it out.
SPEAKER_02What happened why you didn't get to the league?
SPEAKER_00Man, I was I was good, but when you get to college, everybody good. And then you gotta fight, and I was I wasn't focused. Uh I was good, I was good enough to be there, but I wasn't good enough to just guarantee a starting spot. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta work for that. You know what I mean? And this time sweet, shout out to my boy Tosh Lupoy, who was a uh a recruit after me. He came in the year after me and he ended up playing over me. You know, but before that I got there, it was Andre Carter. Andre Carter and Tully Banner came. These dudes that was already there. She's and these days both them dudes got drafted. Both dudes, you know what I'm saying, went to the league. You know what I'm saying? And so you get shuffled up. If you ain't focused, and I don't think I was as focused as I should have been. And I was young too. I was 17, big as hell, strong looking, but I was still this 17. And I don't think the the uh I was focused school-wise. And like I mean, I took care of business, I graduated and all that, but but to navigate that and go to film, extra film, when you get to college, they they they they care about school, but uh they care about you playing first and foremost. So if you want the guys that that are needed on the field, you gotta come in there for that extra film, you gotta make sure you're there. And uh I'm I'm I think I I missed three days of school my first year. My first year in college, I didn't only miss three days of school. That's how focused I was. And then um then I realized, oh, I'm not one of the guys. I'm not one of the guys they have to have on the field. So they're not paying as much attention to me. And I'm not used to that. I was in I was in high school thinking, oh yeah, I'm I'm one of them dudes. I'll I'll play both ways. I'd never get off the field. Right. I get to college, I can't even get on the field. So my my career in college, I was on the bench, basically, you know what I'm saying? So behind playing behind guys that I could have possibly been better than had I had I put the more of the effort in, but this dude, niggas, them niggas was nice.
SPEAKER_01And then, but you went to so after you graduate, you come here, you're doing comedy, and then you go back to film school again.
SPEAKER_00I went back to film school 10 years later. Just to see, because I had been out to groove out the groove. After college, man, I was I'm still trying to make the league. So I'm playing football, I'm playing ball in Texas, and I'm playing arena ball and stuff like that. I'm trying to, I'm trying to get to where the homies is at too. I got homies in the league, so I'm trying to get there too. Just trying to at least I said, Let's let's give me one season in the league. And I'll I'll I I that's the pinnacle, and then I'll just go. Check it off your list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never got there. And um, I got some of the homies from my my arena ball team that end up getting to the league and playing, you know what I'm saying? And so it was possible. So it was a dream of mine still, but after a while, I was like, okay, my this the turf is messing my knees up. Let me and and it's just not gonna happen for me. And or it it'll happen if I keep pushing, but how long? How long you gonna? I know guys was pushing, they got wife and kids, they still trying to make the league. I'm like, bro, come on. But you know, but I can't tell them that. I'm not I'm a dreamer, man. My pops is a dreamer. I can't tell somebody, hey man, give it up. I I I just kinda I don't have that in me, to tell somebody that. You know what I'm saying? Because I seen I seen dreams come true, I seen goals we get reached, even if it didn't even if it took you all this time.
SPEAKER_02Right. So in between those 10 years, when did you start stand up?
SPEAKER_00Uh in 2000, technically 2007, I was in the bay, and um I didn't know nobody but athletes. I was trying to find some comics. I didn't know nobody. I had a homeboy that worked out at the gym that I worked at, and he was like, My boy's a comic. And then I finally reached out to him, he was like, hey man, they closed the club in Oakland. I'm I'm moving back to Sack. I was like, oh shit, okay. So I'm looking around for comics. Uh so uh in 07, I started going to the spot called the brainwash. It's in Frisco. Yep. It's a uh like a little it's like a laundromat slash cafe, uh, a coffee shop, slash like comedy show. They had like a little stage in the corner.
SPEAKER_02That's good because if you spill coffee on your clothes, you could just put it in the boom. I should sit there and laugh.
SPEAKER_00So look, comedians was going there washing their clothes, and while their clothes was drying, they in there on stage. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And and and I started there, bombed, uh, had a sidekick back in the day. Remember psychics? Yeah. I pulled my sidekick out. And I know and uh unless you're Deion Cole or somebody else, you can't pull no notes out while you know what I'm saying. And uh I pulled my yeah, so I bombed, but I had my last joke made some niggas in the back laugh. And I was like, okay, cool. I got something. But I didn't really, but like I said, my two of my homeboys pulled up on me. They went to the show, and um I didn't really have no, I didn't have any culture of comedy around me at the time. I didn't have anybody I knew. And um my client when I was a I was a personal trainer back in the day when I was a safe. My client knew I was funny, I'm cracking jokes on at the at the uh the 24-hour fitness in Richmond, California, no top mall.
SPEAKER_01You stayed in the city. I'm making everybody play with the niggas. Isn't it Richmond? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, I can't get enough. Richmond is dirty rich, man.
SPEAKER_00Super active. But um, my client uh gave me some tickets to like a comedy show in Jack London Square in Oakland. And uh I went down there still just as a consumer at the time, and I was like, my first comedy show I've ever been to, I think, was that. Um, and it was Nima Williams.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Nemo from the Bay, yeah. Yeah, uh, and uh that opened up for him was a young brother named DC Urban. Young Brother D. And that's how they that's how they introduced him to him, introduced him to the uh to the stage, like this young dude from uh uh I want to say he said he's from Vale, yeah. Valley Joe. Yeah, he was like Valeo, California young brother, just been doing comedy uh recently, man, hilarious, and he got it got up there and did his thing.
SPEAKER_02He was always funny. When he first moved out here, he was killing. Yeah, yeah, man. Shout out DC Irving, man.
SPEAKER_00And he was he was like around my age. And I was like, oh yeah, I hear so that's why so there were things that kind of got me to comedy. And I was 07, and then literally I was watching Bad Boys of Comedy. I seen Sydney up there, I seen the uh Who Got Jokes, I seen Ron G on there doing his thing. I didn't know these guys yet. I didn't know anybody yet. But you just look at it, it was like, no, they but they around my age. I remember uh Diddy, that's hilarious. The diddler uh was um uh DC. I mean, I'm sorry, Sydney. And Sydney was like, Yeah, I'm 22, man. I was like, I'm 22. He's on Bad Boys and Comedy, and he me in the same age. I gotta do this. So I guess.
SPEAKER_02That's when Sydney still had hair. He missed it though. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00We both do, nigga. That's all you're niggas, man. Um yeah, so I was like, oh, and then Ron G, I seen, I seen these type of things. When I saw Ron G on stage um with the Who Got Jokes, um, I was like, yeah, I gotta I gotta get on stage.
SPEAKER_01We talked we talked to Ron, and that was a conversation. I was like, because that Ron and I mean that's Ron, that's Tiffany Haddish, that's uh Lil Rail, that's Keesha. Did that D-Lay on there? Uh D-Lay. D-Lay definitely did it. I just don't remember. Barry. Okay, Barry. Barry, yeah. But season one is almost all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Delay, Danfo's like, oh man, this is a um it was that new renaissance of that ended up moving pretty quickly after.
SPEAKER_00And that's what I'm saying. So like, and I get out here, I get home, but I I get back to LA in 08 the very next year, and I'm like, and I already started doing comedy up there, but I stopped. I didn't, you know what I'm saying? I lost focus, and I'm running around, you know what I'm saying? Excuse me. And uh, and if I want I I still wanted to do it, but it was just so hard. Comedy ain't easy. You gotta want comedy. You know what I'm saying? You gotta relationship sitting in them, sitting in them them comedy clubs, not getting on, getting bumped, getting promised, hey, I mean, them bring them rooms and all that. Uh, so you we all know. And so uh if you're not really dedicated to it yet, and I wasn't dedicated yet, it wasn't until I got back home, and my aunt was like, my aunt's an actress, you know what I'm saying? She was like, hey, um, I've always been silly. She was like, uh, so what you want to do? I said, I want to do comedy, I want to act, I need an agent, you know what I'm saying? So she was like, well, you know, they got a they got uh the comedy union, it's on Pico, you know, and then just go down there and on Monday and check it out. Went in there by myself and um checked it out, loved it. Memphis, Memphis Wheels, Memphis Wheel, Memphis Wheel. Memphis Wheel. Memphis Wheel was was the host uh on that Monday, those Mondays. And so for the first few years, man, every Monday I'm there. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I met all y'all. I literally met y'all at that club. You know what I'm saying? So Mr. Union, man. Mr. Union.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, so when you're okay you're doing stand-up, I I I I need to I gotta get into understanding because we we got a lot to cover with you. Yes, sir. When we're talking about you you go back to film school and I remember you were shooting for everybody. I have theories on what's happening in this industry, but I feel like you're so far ahead of the curve because everything that you've shot. Why script it specifically, and how do those what are those first projects?
SPEAKER_00So all I know is filmmaking is you write the film, you shoot, you cast the film, you shoot it, and you edit it, and you you put it out, you submit it to film festivals, and then you hopefully win it. And if you don't win it, you get some recognition, some recognition, some recognition, excuse me, and um, and then hopefully there's an agent there or a manager that might want to represent you. And they ask you what else you got, and next you know, you might be um getting a budget to shoot something bigger. That's that was the that was the way I know that people was getting on. You know, it wasn't going viral, that didn't exist yet. So uh that's what I was doing. Even back in the when I went back to film school in 2014, just to see what was new. I know digital was getting cracking as far as the cameras, um, but I was I still wanted to learn the 16mm film, which is like, you know, the standard back in the day. Standing with 35, but like um I went back to film school and I did uh my my thesis of my little my like my final film before I got out that program, it was a short film I wrote, and I shot it, directed it, edited it myself out in class. That was like that was my that was my final my thesis. How long? But uh how long ago? How long was the film? Like eight minutes. Nice short. Eight minutes. Yeah, like a nice little short film. And um that that was the thing. You had to you had about a week to do it. And so, and you had they paired us up in teams, and um uh this is uh of North Hollywood Burbank. I was in, you know what I'm saying? Right up to right up the street. And uh BT's in it. BT is in my film, you know what I'm saying? Back in 2014. Oh, you know that. Yeah, he's in there. Yeah, so but uh Tony was supposed to be in it. So but Tony had just booked the gig. Tony, uh my bad. I don't want to do what you be doing. Tony Baker. Tony Baker, you know, shout out to Tony Baker. I mean, like I said, I'm connected to everybody. I mean, we all connected in some way over the years. If you if you if you're in LA as a black um uh creator, not even just a black comic, a black creator, um, we didn't probably if you really in your on your grind, we didn't pass. Yeah, you didn't we didn't cross paths, excuse me, damn, cross paths. Yeah, you know, uh and so yeah, shot that film, did well, uh, had the best had the best film in the class. Um just because I've been working so hard on it. You know, and and it's almost like a cheat code. I know so many talented dudes. I know so many talented people, man. Right. And so uh especially so you build this network of this talent around you, you know, and so I'm I'm I I got BT in it. I got Tony was gonna do it, and he would, but I end up having to play the character because like he couldn't do it. Craig couldn't even do it, Craig was uh going somewhere on the road. Right, right. You know, but I had these uh I think at that time you was probably gone. You was doing the how what year was I?
SPEAKER_03Uh I think I just ballers had just drive or something like that.
SPEAKER_00You probably might have been the first person I knew tangible that was like gone. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think I remember when somebody hit me, somebody came by, hey, stick a London on me, you about to go on the road with Chris Tucker.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And we was like, what? Yeah, I say, but it made sense. It made sense, bro. It was like so those when I hear stuff like that, that motivates me, bro. That made me, for one, you're such a great dude, such a great humble dude, talented as hell, super cool. And to sort of get to see you have that, to see you have MacGyver, you know what I'm saying, years ago. I'm saying this, and and you was a when I wasn't shooting, when I wasn't in front of the camera, I was just trying to get I was just trying to write and shoot for everybody else, but I wasn't even focused all the way yet. BT was doing like Joke Thief, you was doing, she wins, you was old, and this is a decade ago. This is before social media was really what it is now.
SPEAKER_02I wanted Go ahead, go ahead. I want to know what was the first like social media platform you really got on, and then like how long until you feel like you started to get some motion on it.
SPEAKER_00It was uh IG. Um I had Vine, but Vine, you gotta be a genius, and I what and you gotta be focused to tell a story in six seconds. Yeah, so I had a Vine and I did maybe 10, I probably did 10 to 12 different videos now, and I was there, I might do one video a month at that time because I wasn't focused, I didn't have a I didn't have a team of dudes to sit around and and and come up with dope ass ideas and shoot for me. Even though I probably did, I knew everybody, but everybody's doing their thing, and and it's most likely me not focused. I was I was a bodyguard back then, yeah. So I was on the road a lot, you know what I'm saying? So uh, but Instagram, when they Instagram started doing video in those 15 seconds, I was like, okay, maybe I could do 15. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Your brain is thinking long for him, though. Right, right, right. So, but the beauty of social media is being able to tell a story in those short time, that that short time span is crazy. So I had to I had to rework my mind to so social media wasn't really what I wanted to do initially, but I was like, I remember I was sitting in uh Chinnadeo's house.
SPEAKER_02Shout out to my brother Chinnadu. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00Chinnadu and Chase Manhattan, man. My boy Chase. Yeah, they was like, bro, you gotta get to Twitter. I said, I don't need no Twitter, bro. I'm not doing no Twitter. I don't like social media. I social media was just starting to bubble.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I didn't think that I kind of understand the concept of Twitter, because I mean you're a comedian, you gotta find a way to like get a fan base outside of the people that you know. And I was like, hey, you're right. All right, I got a Twitter. And uh back then I didn't have an iPhone, so it was Tweetcaster. It was on Tweetcaster for the year. But um, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01They really didn't give us Twitter, bro.
SPEAKER_00If you didn't have any iPhones, you cannot stare at it. Tweetcaster was what I had, man. And um, but uh, so but really Instagram is what I started going. I really started going. And I had a I had a YouTube, I had a YouTube back then, but I wasn't I wasn't uh I wasn't I put my my short film on there. I had put some of my my content from stand up, like, but I wasn't consistent. What was the what's the first thing that goes crazy? Is Tiberius? Tiberius. Tiberius was the first thing on IG. Yeah. IG and Facebook. Facebook. So and Facebook I wasn't really caring about either because they wasn't showing me that much love. YouTube and Facebook wasn't really showing me showing me that much love. IG was kind of like the the quick, you can see the views and the likes, and it was it's in your it's in the phone, and everything was cool like that. So, but YouTube, I mean Facebook and IG was connected. So if you there's a button that you can push where you can push, you can press, you can post on IG and you Facebook at the same time. So I was doing that, not knowing that my numbers are starting to grow on Facebook. I didn't I had no clue because I wasn't going over there. I was just posting to IG and it was automatically going to Facebook. So when I looked at it, I was like, oh snap, okay, I got my following is getting big over there, it's getting cool. And um, and IG and YouTube wasn't really messing with me at first. Uh so I wasn't really posting there as much. And then um, but so monetized monetization-wise YouTube, but as far as getting my getting my motivation to to keep going, the consistency was IG.
SPEAKER_02How hold on real quick, how how long before uh Tiberius hit? How like how long were you posting?
SPEAKER_00I was inconsistent, but I was posting probably since 2015, 2016, and Tiberius hit in 2017. So I was posting almost like a I was I was I might I might go through a good uh if I got the if I got the confidence or this this the drive to I'll drop two or three videos, four videos in a month on IG on my little iPad. I'm doing like a little rant and talking talking shit and being saying something funny. And back then I I was in my room doing playing three characters. I played me and two of my roommates. You know what I'm saying? Just me put a I put a beanie on and the next one I'm bald and the other one I got a hat. So I'm playing three different guys, you know what I'm saying? Because I ain't gonna bother nobody. Hey man, come over and shoot some stuff with me. I I wasn't even and I wasn't consistent enough either to to think that was a thing to even ask somebody.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, see I asked that because I know a lot of people, they'll post one, two, three videos, it don't get the amount of numbers they wanted to get, and then they just be like, man, fuck this. And it's like I ain't been job, fuck this year. Yeah, and it's like bruh, you don't realize people had to post two, three years. Mr. Beast was posting seven, eight years before he popped. And I think people be missing that. It's like if they don't automatically get a million views on their second video, they like, man, they ain't fucking with me. It's like, no, you're not fucking with yourself. That might be believing yourself a little bit more. Right.
SPEAKER_01Keep posting. With uh Tiberius's um, what was that? What was the numbers on Tiberius that you was like, oh, this is out of here?
SPEAKER_00My homeboy called me, my brother, man. He called me and he was like, bro, I think you got like a hundred uh hundred and ten thousand views on Facebook. I wasn't checking Facebook. I'm posting on IG, looking at all my IG views and seeing if it's gonna go. People start sharing it. I said, okay, cool. It's showing late, it's showing love, it's blowing up. On IG. On Facebook? Yeah. On IG first. Okay, IG first. But then my I got a call. I was driving to an audition. That's crazy. I was driving to an audition, I'm on the one-on-one, and my homeboy called him. I'm in traffic. He's like, bruh, your IG, your Facebook going up on this video. I said, really? I went, I checked it, and I'm in traffic. So every time I checked it, I would refresh it like every minute and a half, two minutes, and it'll go by 10,000 views. Oh, shit. In like two minutes. I was like, oh shit. And I had a feeling that this was gonna be the one that goes because of where I'm at and what I'm doing. The Tiberius is something that we all know you know Tiberius. For sure. It's just it's LA. So you know somebody, anybody, whether you're in Florida, you know what I'm saying, whether you were in Texas or SAC, you can call somebody to, you know what? Hey, and he'll ask you, hey man, you good? What's going on in your life, bro? I know dudes who literally ask you, yo, London, man. I've been knowing you since we was five years old, you know what I mean? My nigga, bro. I know that you're doing the comedy and acting and all that, but if you need something, let me know. And this dude, you know, is uh up to that. He and that shit. He ain't got a regular job, he got he got he got felonies, you know what I'm saying? But so he he's he's a black market, you know what I'm saying? Uh get it done guy. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03So that's what I mean, that's what Tiberius is. What's the most uh challenging part of creating content?
SPEAKER_00Uh Social media content for sure is there's no off season. There's no off-season. So like you gotta keep the algorithm going. You gotta chase the algorithm. That's the unfortunate part of it. And um and if you don't love it enough or be hungry enough financially for the for the finance part of it, I'll do it for both. I love this. So I I stopped worrying about the views and start worrying about me and whether I enjoy the piece of content I dropped. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Um what type of themes or messages do you feel you're drawn to with with your uh creative side? So you say uh message uh I'm drawing to Or is there is there a certain type of theme where creatively when you sit down to create, what ideas or topics uh do you feel uh you lean towards to create?
SPEAKER_00Stuff that makes me laugh. I mean I I've never and uh kind of wish I was more like this, but I'm not I'm not trendy. So like I don't I don't like look at what's going viral now. Like I for example, a perfect example of now, if I was, if it happened now, I would jump on it because that's something that I know I can I can do in my own in my own world. But like you remember back when uh I think it was White Girls Say? Oh yeah, and then Billy did Black Girls Say, and everybody was doing all those versions of what people, you know what I'm saying, African mom say, African dad say. That was genius. And everybody and remember uh my boy J Mac and Blood Cus. And he went crazy with that, with things gangsters shouldn't say. You know what I'm saying? And that went viral, and that's how I knew him already through comedy. But we then we he and I, umce again, over a decade ago, we put we we put like a little short SISTO trailer together and was trying to make some money on Indy, I raise some money on Indiegogo to create something. This is before I was still behind the scenes. You know what I'm saying? I was acting, I was auditioning for commercials and TV, but when it came to my own brand, I was behind the camera. I was Jade Pickett jokes back then. That wasn't even Big Jet. It was Jade Pickett jokes. That was my that was my YouTube. So I wasn't even doing Tiberius yet. I had all these con I had all these ideas, and I I even had all these scripts. Like my well, I when I talk about rejection, I was writing for, I was trying to write in uh remember when What the Funny hit? Absolutely. I sat down with Craig Wayne, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to that brother. You know what I'm saying? He gave me a meeting. We had we sit down, it didn't turn into nothing. But uh but he gave me-to Craig, man. Um we sat down and he gave me, we sat down for like 20 minutes. It was like, it was uh I was pitching him stuff, I was showing them stuff on my iPad. Uh and at that time, um me. Yeah, it was. You was there.
SPEAKER_02I remember our BT is always there.
SPEAKER_01BT always in the city. BT was there. You need that TV. BT was there. BT was there. Yeah, you were there. Because I came in, you was waiting to talk to him.
SPEAKER_00I was sitting down, yep. I remember that. And um, and that's back then when I was shooting stuff, I was shooting stuff for BT, shooting stuff for Nate. And I was just, at that point, I was like, I was in my mind, I'm writing, I act too, but I'm writing, and uh, but I I didn't care about being a star. I love filmmaking, I love creating. So whether I'm behind the camera and writing it, writing the descript, shooting it or editing it, I love it all. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't before until I got in front of the camera, that's when things start taking off. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01You was able to get your your your vision out in full. Uh um, I wanted to talk to you about I think the filmmaker in you, uh unlike the the sketch thing or or stuff that people putting out on the phones, every time we'd be shooting on the phone, and Java would show up with a camera. Like a full setup, you would have to be a little more patience with the shoot because you care about the quality, but that's showing up now in everything that you do. Why was the outside of being a filmmaker, what benefits have you seen shooting at such a high quality? Because now, in my brain, for licensing and stuff, yeah, yeah, everything's been good. But did you know that beforehand?
SPEAKER_00I didn't know nothing about licensing at all. I mean, I knew it existed, but I didn't know how to do it. I just knew that um I knew how to edit, I knew how to shoot, and I was like, nah, that's the way I'm gonna do it. Um, that's why if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it the way I enjoy it. Yeah. You know, I respect everybody and how they was using the phones. I never thought that was anything wrong with that at all. Because some people they get it how they live. Yeah. I don't know how no. So that's all if I was if that's all you know. I'll never be like, well, I didn't go to film school, so I I don't I don't create. Nah, nigga, grab this camera and shoot.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we used to be at the sketch house and we'd be on phones and I have a rig. Yeah, and I boom at every lady.
SPEAKER_00Once again, shout out to the sketch house. That's how it really started cracking for me. I was doing security and I was supposed to go to Europe with my client, and he called he told me last minute, I'm not gonna be able to take you. So now I'm like, oh snap, for those two months, I'm not gonna get that bread. And I've already, I was an editor, I was a freelance editor out here, and now people were sending me like movies and stuff like that, and I'm editing stuff and send it back. And I had I had I cut all those gigs. It wasn't a lot, but I cut like two or three gigs that would have given me some money to help me help me through the months. Because I'm about to go, I'm about to go, I'm I'm about to be gone. So that now I don't have those gigs. I don't have this this gig to go on tour. So now I'm sitting at the house tripping, like, damn, I ain't got no money. And I'm um uh me and Deshaun Ross, my boy Deshaun. Yeah, we were roommates, he was roommates. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the homie. North Hollywood, Clayton Thomas called him. Hey, bro, come over. Uh, you you what you doing? You in town? Yeah, I'm in town, I'm chilling. Hey, man, you mind coming over here and shooting this video for me and Tange? Me and Tangerine. Shout out to Tangerine, Tangerine Thomas. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02We don't need to say the last name, Tangerine. Yeah, right, right, right. Everybody got tangerine, yeah. That's like all the way. Exactly. Boom, Madonna.
SPEAKER_00You know, uh, so I went over there and shot a sketch for them, just a four, just for them. And shot two, and then he said, Can you come back tomorrow? Yeah, I ain't got nothing else to do, bro. And I'm I'm here for the coach, I'm here for the homies. And I shot there, I shot again, and um KP pulled up to their house, and he he's the he's the one that ran the sketch house, him and um B more. Sketchhouse, which is in Van Nuys. Every Thursday. And that every Thursday. And no matter how it turned out, as far as the sketch house, shout out to those brothers, because that's what that's what sparked everything I I started doing.
SPEAKER_02Well, kicked in by the police.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh, just this a lot of a lot going on. Okay, it's a sketch house is a it's a place that I went once.
SPEAKER_02I've been there one time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I think yeah, we all used to shoot out there of B, you, Jahan, like that was like Tyree, Tyree, CT is like everything. I mean, DeShea. Everybody got their 10,000 followers over there. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So uh Deshay.
SPEAKER_01Deshay? Deshea. Yep. That's crazy. That's sketch house. Because Deshay was doing a when I first met Deshay, he was doing a sketch with uh Jahan, was dating, was supposed to be dating this girl, and it was Maddie Morbugs. And Deshe was the son. The son. But watching the say Deshay did, he might have been 13, 14, but it was, he had everything he has now, he had that energy. He was a star. He was a star, bro. It was like it was he was bouncing up, he was robbing you. He was like, like, like just bouncing off the walls with all this charisma and energy at 12-11. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's not like with Cam Patterson. When I see Cam Patterson, I'm like, this nigga remind me. But we both from Florida. I really see myself in him when I see him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, my mama? Like, what did you do? Yeah, he was tripping, he was making it. Yeah, young dude, man. He had all that, he had all that uh that that talent, bro. It was he committed. He was he he wasn't afraid, nothing. He was he you dropped the cool, he just dove in, locked in with the actor, man.
SPEAKER_02Um the sketch house, my bad though. No, that's okay. Yeah, yeah. So so what so what else happened? So you said you you shot at for tangerine and CT, um, but you were just saying that's how you kind of got into the Yeah, and then they hit um KP invited me to the sketchhouse.
SPEAKER_00I was like, what's the sketchhouse? He's like, every Thursday we there from uh 11 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. You can just come up and create. And he is it's it's it's invite only. You know, so I went up there and I'm seeing 30, 40 people in his house. Working, working, cameras. Everybody shooting it, and it was like I had to-a lot of the baddies got their numbers too. Yeah, yeah. You come in the sketch house, you know, you're gonna run the so- I got a sad ass. Can I get some follows?
SPEAKER_02And then you got a thumbnail? You literally got a thumbnail booty.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00This chick was literally trying to be in the sketch, and he was like, I need a girl and some lingerie. And she took her clothes off. She had panties on.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00She took her clothes off. I got it. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, we was going, baby. I said, Oh, but the sketch house is that. He didn't want eating up with the home. We like. But I got I had homies that pulled up to that too, and they was like, I had a partner. Uh, and he was like, uh, yeah, I'm not coming back here, bro. He was like, it's just not. And my lady, man, it's just not gonna be good, bro. I'm cool. It's not conducive. You gotta be focused. And I was focused. Yeah. So I was there to work, uh, to work, man. Of course, and I'm the yam man, so I'm looking at all the yams, but I spent so many. Yeah, the yam man. Shout out to that merch, too. That's the merch, yeah. Oh, yeah, yes indeed. Yamsterdam. Uh it was like Yamsterdam. That's that's why I came up with Yamsterdam.
SPEAKER_03Um Yam Watch.
SPEAKER_00Yam Watch and all that sketchhouse, because you walk in there and it's like Unreal. Yeah. There's chicks in there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Wherever you are. Wherever you are, man. I see them. Millions of views, reverse that they did. They sit around. Yeah, yeah. Some of them, some of them were uh some of them were amazing actresses, some of them did more online mala, some of them open up. Some of them do massages, yeah. Absolutely. That's definitely the biggest thing.
SPEAKER_00You get a you get a uh a smorgasbord of different types of women there. And so uh shout out to them, man. And but and that's the stomach grounds. If you you can use it to your advantage, because it's it's also, or you can it can be your demise, because it's it's uh you gotta have your ideas, you gotta be able to quick shoot fast, because it's a it's a line of people. So it's it's it's equivalent to us being in this room. There's four of us in here. And you shooting in London, you shooting by this all things comedy sign, you shoot right here in this corner, you shoot in that corner, I'm shooting in this corner, and we all got three sketches to shoot today. Yeah. And we all in each other's stuff. Yep. Yeah. So it's like, yo, oh, yo, uh, Justin, um, you about to go next, and boom. So it we doing take for take. So you getting your take in, and we all gotta be quiet. Justin going. That's true. Justin get it, he gets his take. Alright, cut. You're gonna go again. Right. But while you cutting, you can't go right back. It's your turn now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And it's the other thing. A nice oil machine. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it got to a point where you gotta respect everybody. Hey, man, I let me get one. I'm getting one. Everybody quiet upset? And you gotta be quiet.
SPEAKER_01And then we would, then after we would all cut, we would all edit, and then you'd post your content, but you would also share yours with his. So now you got he got his three videos, he got your three videos, he got your three. Your video might do crazy on my page and okay on your page. Yeah, yeah. But you all tagged in it, but my video might do crazy on his page. But speak on the ones that didn't tag.
SPEAKER_00Okay. No, you know the. Yeah, it's always a weirdo. Just go keep a list. Nah, here's the thing. I keep a list too. But I but I just kill him with kindness, man. That's the best way to do it. Kill them with kindness. Because if you let it eat you alive, man, it just, you know, you don't, you ever you never want to like keep the guys that keep those guys in your heart that slighted you. You know what I'm saying? Um, but I remember, I remember. And and and and I'm petty too, but not in the way where I'm gonna hurt you, I'll never lie, I'll never cheat, I'll never down your name. I I know you did me dirty, bro. And I'm not gonna even tell them that. You know what I'm saying? But because that's not fair. They the you could they like they like you for the reason they like you for, and they don't know about the the they don't know about what happened between us. Right, right. That's between us.
SPEAKER_02I hold on, I did have a real question. Um where was the transition from Facebook and IG to saying I'm finna move over to YouTube and really start posting.
SPEAKER_00It happened uh by accident. Look, bro, um, so I had this this this app on my phone that that you can rip videos from YouTube. And I used to do a lot of uh videos where I would like see something funny going on and I put myself in the video. Like I'm watching it. So I'm walking out my house, like drinking drinking a soda or something, and I look and I look, and it's a girl like bashing a guy's window in. It's just a video, homemade video that somebody fit and put it up on YouTube. So I would rip it and use it. Right. So that that app went away. It just discontinued. I couldn't use it no more. So I'm looking on uh in the Apple store for a new app. So I type in this app called uh YT Studio. I was looking at why YouTube downloaders, right? And this is you know, they give you a list of different videos, I mean a list of different apps, and uh YT Studio is one of them. I said, maybe I can rent, maybe this is what's uh uh app I can rent videos from YouTube on, and I downloaded it and looking through it, and I was like, man, this ain't no, this is like an analytic app. What the hell? But I already signed in with my my my my username and all that, and it says, no, it's it says at the time it was it was big ja, it was already big ja. But it said revenue. I'm just clicking, I'm just it's a new app, so I'm just playing with it. I said is it revenue and it said six cents. I said and it said monetized. Like the page is monetized. I was like, now mind you, this this is 27, this is 2017, but I made this page in 2011. Oh wow. And I wasn't even really doing that much content online, I was just doing stand-up and auditioning for stuff. I made a page just to have it and I left it. It was just sitting dormant for a while. And I every now and then I would drop like a comedy set on that page. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, so you know when you you do you do bits and say, you know, I gotta showing that it's you document this is my bit. So I I was just started putting my sets on this page, and it got monetized over the years. Then no, but only had six cents. Six pennies is what the page is worth. Yes, no true. But that's all I needed. Six cents? Oh, I gotta make some money? Six pennies? Oh, bro. I and I got I got all these little one-minute videos on IG?
SPEAKER_03You got it, you got your I carried it over.
SPEAKER_00Nice.
SPEAKER_03I carried it.
SPEAKER_00So now I got content for days.
SPEAKER_02You got to stock because you already did it.
SPEAKER_00I stocked it up on YouTube. I mean on IG.
SPEAKER_02So did you do like a collab? Was it like how many one-minute videos did you put back to back to play?
SPEAKER_00I was dropped a I dropped a one-minute video every single day for 11 days. And it spiked. It spiked. And then I I'm looking in the background saying, um, 1,000 subscribers you need. Uh the two criteria for monetization is 1,000 subscribers and 4,000 watch hours. And I I think at the time I had 1,900 watch hours. I was like, okay, I got work to do. You know what I'm saying? I had 235 subscribers. Okay, I got work to do. So now I'm just flooding it. I had Tiberias up there and it did okay initially, but I started putting Tiberius part two, part three, part four up there, and then the whole crew stupid. And then I just started thinking of all these different crazy ideas that I already had in my in my in my uh files. I had scripts that I was trying to sell to ADD back in the day. They didn't say, shout out to ADD, it's love, but they didn't rock with me at the time. Which is a blessing in disguise. I thank y'all. And it wasn't, I don't I didn't take it personal. I mean, of course I kind of did because I knew all the niggas over there. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02That's natural. Come on, Cab. Come on, Patrick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But even but even before then, even before Cab, because uh ADD, when Cab was just like a uh, he was just like a uh a soul, it was like a contractor. They were paying him to make content with him and his kids and stuff like this in the parodies and stuff like that he wasn't even at ADD yet. This is back when Austin's TV was cracking. Wow.
SPEAKER_01Okay, wait, so because we gotta now we hear. I'm sorry. I'm trying to walk my way into the house. So the you see the money, you see the six cents, you say I'm finna start giving this. That's the only reason we started this podcast. Talking about the cocoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go, go, go. What was what was the amount where shit got real? When did you what did you look up and see that you was like, oh, this is I can live a good life. Yeah. Yeah, what what was happening in that time? How how long were the videos and and we talking? What was Facebook doing versus YouTube? Without getting any tax implications, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_00Uh so look, the the timeline, you IG uh was where I was putting most of my focus in. It's because I just love doing it. I love to see the responses, the comments and stuff like that. And um, it was quick. And then I and then Facebook, not knowing that Facebook was growing too, unbeknownst to me. I didn't even know. And then but then I then I saw I was monetized on IG, I mean on YouTube, excuse me, with very few with very few videos on there. So now I'm taking all my IG videos and putting these one-minute videos on YouTube. Now I got constant content dropping every day. It's only a minute. You know what I'm saying? But some of these things is going viral, and some of these things is finally hitting. And then you do it every day, they're gonna put you an algorithm when they're when you feeding the algorithm, they're gonna they're gonna embrace you. Um and so my my my following went up, and then my my bread went up. And so uh I wasn't even monetized on Facebook yet. I was trying to find out how I had, I had, I think I had 55,000 followers on Facebook when I finally looked at at my at my page, I was like, whoa, I that's crazy to me. I might have had 25,000 on the IG and maybe 12,000 on YouTube, but I had 55,000 on Facebook. And and but I wasn't monetized. And all most of my stuff was going crazy over there. Tiberius is what it hit a million in three days. You know what I'm saying? It hit a million followers, I mean a million views in three days. And that's now I was like, okay. So I made a part two, and that went. And I then after like two or three episodes of that, now I'm the big Tiberius nigga. You know what I'm saying? So now, and then I okay, I don't want to get typecast as Debo. Just uh I'm gonna keep doing this, but not I can't only do this. So I came up with I'm coming too. You know what I'm saying? With me and Sade, where I play a boyfriend and my girlfriend is on my head, she's super clingy, and she don't let me do nothing by myself, not even take a shit. You know what I'm saying? So so and that went, that started going viral. Now everybody like, oh man, you and Sade, man. And I be like that. And everybody, a lot of dudes love a hood, pretty ass girl that's in your ass, bro. You know what I'm saying? That's always on your head. You know what I'm saying? So E Bet from Belly. I mean E Bet Eve from uh Baby Boy.
SPEAKER_02That's what I was thinking about.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so that's what Sade was, and they loved it. They ended up, and I'm like, okay, now I got something. I got that, I got this. Let me think of some other some more stuff. And so, and and and and so at one point in time I was dropping uh episode of Tiberius, an episode of I'm Coming To, and episode of uh The Whole Crew Stupid. I started doing that, and that went viral. That went viral.
SPEAKER_01Whole crew is stupid. That's what I whole crew stupid one is classic.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I appreciate it, man.
SPEAKER_01Two two is also classic with terror, but boy, you talk about something I went back and watched over and over and over. I'm a good 42,000 of them views, bro. Hey, I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00I appreciate it, man. And so, and and and that and so now almost every video is going viral. And so, uh, and then on Facebook. On Facebook and IG. Okay. I mean, Facebook and YouTube. And what age is this? Yeah. What year is this? This is 2018. Okay, keep going. Um 20 in the 2017, it's 2018, really. Um, and so I'm like, man. So the monetization started, I think my first check might have been like$578. Okay. Right? And I was like, I'll take it. At the time I was hurting. For sure. You know what I'm saying? And um, when I'm not on the road, I'm at home living off my savings. And my savings is do is dwindling. You know what I'm saying? So uh it got to a point where I my last couple thousand dollars was in my my account, and I'm and I gotta pay this rent, and but I'm about to go on tour in about uh in two weeks, so I'm good. I'll be alright. Is it just you or who you who you touring with at this time? I'm touring with Dizzy Wright and Hobson. Dizzy Wright. And so uh who's an artist of Vegas out of my nigga Dizzy, man? And um who is uh uh artist that's the and that also taught me uh that taught me a lesson that you don't have to be Kendrick Lamar or Wiz Khalifa to uh to have a fan base around the world. Right. And be and making bread around the world, you know what I'm saying? You just need you just need your fans. You don't need to be as popular as Kevin Hart to be successful and be comfortable and be able to provide for your family and be able to hopefully um provide put opportunities for the homies and stuff like that. So that's I learned that with him because he was putting his homies on. And I'm I'm gonna we around the world and he's getting chased down the street, you know what I'm saying? So um So you saw the you saw the 500, then what? When you still my next check was like uh was like uh no, I'm sorry. The first check was 758. Okay. And then the next check was 1400 the next month. So I was like, oh sh I doubled it. And at the time, I'm like, oh in a month I just doubled and it's not and it wasn't it and so I'm like, okay, maybe I can get 3,000 next time because this is almost$1,500 right here. Right. Next one's$3,000 and it went to$1,900. Okay, so it moved slower that third month, and then that fourth. Month. That shit jumped, my nigga.
SPEAKER_03Did you see the input in the in the knee? Did you see the knee?
SPEAKER_00That fourth month, man, went to 9500. You know what I'm saying? And so I was like, I'm sharing this with the humble. Obviously, I'm sharing it with y'all too now, but like y'all, y'all that's y'all family, man.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, straight up.
SPEAKER_00And um I don't even know when you talk about bread like that, because it's not even about that. But it is about that when you love doing what you're doing, and you do it for the love, and then then you it provides you financial freedom.
SPEAKER_02I just want to know how many subscribers did you have before that 9,500, before it really jump jumped.
SPEAKER_00I would say probably maybe 80,000.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. We got some work to do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01This is on Facebook or YouTube or Facebook. This is YouTube.
SPEAKER_00I wasn't even Facebook wasn't fucking with me yet, as far as monetization.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00But my my following was bigger on Facebook, though. But I wasn't monetized, so that shit don't matter.
SPEAKER_03Gotta gotta get it. You know what I'm saying? What's dope about this is that even though, as you mentioned, with anybody that's really uh true to the art, it's not necessarily about even chasing the money like that. That's that's an afterthought. But it is important for people to see that the big job brand didn't just happen when they saw. Like this was there was a lot of a lot of grind and and that kind of thing that went into two different terms of film school. Two different two different terms of film school. We're not even including when you was up in the bay coming down. Um what's one of those mistakes you made in the middle of this process that you feel uh you learn from?
SPEAKER_00Ooh.
SPEAKER_03Um one of the mistakes I made probably a few of them uh so I want people to understand that pause, he's going through a list of things. Yeah, I hear it, I really. I get it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Um, when I when I first started doing comedy, I mean doing comedy and even sketches, I started with um, like I said, we met first day that I started doing comedy. It might have been, I think you told me, I remember this this the story. You said, I'm gonna get to your answer too. Um you was like, uh you started a year ago, then you quit. Or you didn't quit, you stopped. And now you was getting back into it. It's 2009. Okay. And correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know when you actually started. It depends on what the point you're making.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna go ahead and do it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so uh, no, no, so I brought that up to say like I just it's a journey. So um, so when I when I first started, it was with Chinnidu and Chase doing sketches. You know what I'm saying? I would I would meet up with shout out to uh Brandon Wiley, KD Ringer. We was like, we used to pull up in Denny's and have writing sessions. I think I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, yeah. Yes, you too. I'm tripping, my bad. I should have said Linda Brown.
SPEAKER_03I think we're part of that whole idea.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we was doing our thing, and then they they did a couple sketches. I I came, I came to KD house and he was doing like a little uh um uh uh a Mexican wrestler sketch. Him and him and me and be him and B. Wiley, man. That filmed it excited. And I edited it, yeah. So I was on that back then. Um, and me and Craig was doing our thing, doing sketches. So it was it was them, it was uh it was Chinnadu and Chase, and then me and Craig was doing our thing, and then I kind of like we Craig started doing uh he would start doing um truck driving, he was working. Right. You know what I'm saying? Craig always had a job in the middle of doing comedy, so he was doing both rhymes. And so, so long story short, I know I'm I went from the beginning. I had a team. When I first started going hard with the sketches, um I started going like I'm talking about weekly, daily, um in 2017. All right, so me, shout out to my boy Ken with my brother, man. Ken. Dominican Ken. Dominican Ken, man. He was a first guy I started, I started using his house. Every Wednesday, I was shooting my sketches in his house, and he we both was shooting his sketches, my sketches, sketch house on Thursdays. Then it got to Wednesday, Thursdays, and then Saturdays, and then Wednesday, Thursdays, Saturdays, then it got to the point I'm shooting four or five times a week. And I'm saying so, and then me, him, I met Troy in LA at the sketch house. I met Minx. And then Minx are coming to the sketch house. So now I'm I got a team of dudes that are selfless, dudes that are like, hey man, um, I need you to shoot for me tomorrow. Cool, I got you, and I got you the next day, and I got you the next day. So I'm shooting at I know money. We broke, they broke, I'm broke. You know what I'm saying? And and we we we worked on each other's sketches, we shot each other's sketches for each other anytime I asked. I asked somebody there. And when you can when you got when you got an unlimited amount of you got a a cameraman anytime you want to shoot something, right? That's that's what get that's what got me to where I'm at. Cause now I got I got thousands of ideas, and I got someone that's gonna shoot it for me. And I'm also repaid a favor by doing the same thing. I don't got no money, I can't pay you, and I ain't expecting you to pay me, but I come and shoot your shit, you come shoot mine. And that's we did that for years. We got all got monetized, and then it got to a point where I was like, all right, we gotta get our own individual teams. We still a crew, but you get your so you get you two shooters, get you two shooters, get you two shooters, and I get myself two shooters. Two cameras, I'm shooting with two cameras so I can go fast.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, shooting both angles like like TV. Yeah, yeah, film school, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I was like, and and I didn't have no bread. And once I got the money, even to this day, I don't, I don't, I I got I got the same car from 2018. You saw the web I got. I need a new one. You know what I'm saying? But uh I put the money into the con into the work, into the business, you know what I'm saying? So the cameras, all the stuff I own myself, just so I I can I don't have to wait on nobody to with their cameras and stuff like that. I got my I just need you to come and shoot it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So um the the the mistake I made was I don't think it was a mistake, I can't say it was a mistake. It feels like it because I feel like once we kind of spread out and kind of was doing our own thing, we still kicked it, we still was the family, but everybody didn't move as fast as I moved after that without me being in the picture. And that's just that's just the uh not necessarily they weren't lazy necessarily, but like it's a grind. This shit ain't easy, man. And you need someone that's gonna push. I'm gonna I'm gonna drop the I'm uh I was dropping, I was editing two or three videos a day. I'm falling asleep at me and uh me and Nate live together. You know what I'm saying? When y'all was roommates, and then right after that, y'all you got your spot.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I walk out. You're getting sleepy if you want to put it over here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm talking about watching the game. The sun is coming up, and I'm trying to drop my video at 8:30 in the morning, 8 o'clock in the morning, at the latest 8:30. I'll drop it and I'll go to sleep, and I'll wake up at 12, and I get up and do it again every day. And that was 2017, 18, 19. You know what I'm saying? And so uh my I think not a mistake, but like I think something I'm I I kind of would have done a little different is maybe not so quickly branch out. We was all making money, and and I feel like we lost kind of like the nucleus of what we had. Imagine us four. You know what I'm saying? Like if we all four right now, it's years ago, we all busy now, but like if we say, okay, us four are gonna start doing this. You know, anytime you need to shoot, I'm there. I'm gonna shoot your videos, I'm gonna shoot your videos, and y'all, and one of y'all shoot mine. And we do this a year and two, three, we're we're all gonna blow up. It's gonna work. You know what I'm saying? And then we we got away from it. Not in a bad way. We still we all continue to shoot, but after a while, I think when the without that daily, that daily like, I'm in your face, you in my face, we working, folks. When you start making money, you know what I'm saying? Folks start getting a little too complacent. And so I I think that's what I think the crew kind of like, the initial crew, that kind of kind of like maybe uh slowed other people down. And me, I can't, I ain't slowed down because I gotta get.
SPEAKER_01Like the Tubi partnership, yeah. And and and like putting it out over there, did you see what you wanted to see out of it?
SPEAKER_00Before absolutely. And I I was hearing stories. My homeboy, one of my DP actually, his ex-girlfriend had a friend that was like, yeah, she says that he's making money over there. He's doing numbers, you know what I'm saying? And uh, and we could talk about it too, that I'm saying afterwards, you know what I'm saying? Um, but uh, unless y'all want me to say it here, but I'd rather, you know what I'm saying? Say yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I did want to ask to answer this question, but I did want to ask about how did the to be partnership come to be in the first place? And kind of what what obligations or do you have to fulfill, you know, for that or whatever. But no, answer that first.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, shalom. So uh, yeah, uh initially with the brand deals and everything, uh my goal was to in order to get brand deals, you gotta do brand deal content in a sense like, for example, even if this ain't even like you gotta make this a product and make a sketch out of it, and hopefully it can do well do well enough to where you can show somebody be like, man, I made a product, I made a sketch about this. On my own, yeah. On my own. So that's what the Bluetooth started coming around, Manscaped. Yeah, so uh, and and I I I learned that from guys from like film school doing spec commercials, you know, and one also even even uh CT. Shout out to CT, man. Um, I remember he did a couple spec uh episodes for some show, and then he ended up becoming a writer on different shows, you know what I'm saying? Because like yeah, so if you show or I know filmmakers that were like, hey, I'm I want to do a uh McDonald's commercial, you know what I'm saying? And uh, and he did it for free, and he showed it to McDonald's, and they ended up hiring him as a as a commercial, as a director to come direct a commercial. So I started doing that with the sketches, two two three-minute sketches.
SPEAKER_03Um and then What kind of products were you plugging, if you don't mind? Oh, Bluetooth. Oh, I got you, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_00But you always do episode of your own. Before that, I it was a it was this other pill called Macava back in the day. The sketch house days. Right. It was this company called Macava. They had a they had like a natural um pill, a capsule that helped you in the bedroom. You know what I'm saying? So they reached out. I was doing I was doing content. I did a my first, I think my first promo was then called Woody Wipes. Woody wipes is like a wet wipe for your for your meat. You know what I'm saying? So I did it, and that was only like that wasn't even a lot of money, but I did it and it went viral. Me and Sade did it, and they did well. And so I think other companies see that and they're like, oh shit, nigga, if we like that, yeah, how much would you charge us to do a video for this? And um that's you are the Blue Chew guy, too.
SPEAKER_01Man, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you like when even when the regul when the commercial just come on, like I'll just be watching something on on YouTube or something, and it'll come up and it's still you. I was like, wait, like it's a it's a different version of it, but it's still or even on TV now, I was like, no, no, no, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_02So this is the thing I'm still missing. The blue like so for the Blue Chew, did you shoot that on your own first and then Blue Chew reached out?
SPEAKER_00No. Okay, no, um, so even no uh I think my manager reached in. No, no, no. No, my man, no, they reached out eventually. Uh hit my manager about like me doing a kind like a uh a sketch for him or a promo for him. And so, but the before I did that, I was doing stuff like C and B classics. And C and B classes were like the uh ODs, the gangster Odies, and I would uh I would rewrite them and write them into like gangster terminology, and that was just on me. That was just me and me and Ken wrote them, and we sung them, and we put it out as an infomercial. You know, you gotta know my brother, you gotta get your own. So it was those. So that it was those, and we was doing like game banging uh OD's. And so put stuff out like putting stuff like that out there is like commercial, infomercial type stuff. I did it for the love. I did it for the culture. I love the concept. I was seeing you, you know what I'm saying? You would see all the uh promos on BET growing up, and right, you know what I'm saying, like the uh uh Midnight Love and all the little CDs, the compilation CDs. You got, yeah, so I did my own version of that. That's kind of what had people like, oh okay, this guy can do commercial stuff, even if it's hood. You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of what I did with it. And I remember y'all was doing it too. Like y'all, I mean, like, I remember videos, you, Reggie, yeah. I remember we did the whole, we did the whole battles back and forth, me, and me and you, me, U C T, Kanesha Buzz, Arana. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02We did us, we did the BT uh hip hop cyber. Ciphered, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Even like, so we was all do always doing it. And I really the only difference is I got to a point where I just stopped not doing it, if that makes sense. Stopped not doing it. I'm I just kept doing it. I kept doing it, you know what I'm saying? And so, because nothing else was working for me, nothing else was in uh um I was out I was booking stuff, but not nothing crazy. I wasn't booking a show, which I would have loved to have done, and I got I got the talent to do it. I got it, you know what I'm saying? So when I see other people doing it, I'm like, oh yeah. I they first of all, everybody I know that that book selling, I was like, it makes sense. And even if it didn't make sense, it made sense for them. Like I I love seeing that. It just inspires me to keep going. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody, yeah, your time's gonna come. If you keep if you put yourself in a position, it's gonna happen. So answer a question. I didn't um I didn't start off doing Bluetooth videos until they start paying me to do it.
SPEAKER_02Got it.
SPEAKER_00But one, but it was when they first it was like a trial. Um it was just like a one-off. And so I'm like, I'm about I'm about to put my all into this one-off. I'm about to make it dope. You know what I'm saying? So I started thinking of ways like the wheelchair and stuff like that, and all that, like the different terminology, you gotta brand it. You know what I'm saying? So like even with the two to max, that's a that's a phrase that I just came up with. Well, my brother is a br a phrase my brother used to say or still says, but like, so I took it and made it like a slogan, it made it like a mantra. You know what I'm saying? So he's he's always he he I say it different now, yeah. But he was like, Man, I love you to the max, man. Hey man, so yeah, she was she was I came outside, man, she ran down the stairs, she was turned up to the max, bro. She was tripping. So now I took that and then you know what I'm saying, to the max. To the max. You're gonna do it, go hard. Go hard or go home. That's the phrase. Um saying obey your thirst, that's the phrase. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So that was so I I got I understood that you gotta brand yourself. You gotta make yourself bigger than your brands to be bigger than who you are. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02So And so then how did now the Tubi situation? Because I seen the the the press with Kev on stage and you and y'all got y'all. Yeah, y'all got y'all deals with Tubi. How did that come about?
SPEAKER_00At first, man, it took us three years. It took us like because we were trying to get with Tubi, Netflix, and I had a meeting with Netflix four years ago. You know what I'm saying? Before the uh after the pandemic. Um uh I met with everybody, brother. I met with everybody. And wasn't nobody all it wasn't nobody rocking with with me, and that's fine. It's so many stories about people saying, like, DreamWorks, we know how that came about? DreamWorks, I don't know, I don't I we can go to st we can go into the story later, but they got said no. Home Depot is Home Depot because they got rejected. DreamWorks is is is DreamWorks because they got rejected. So getting rejected is it's supposed to happen. The greats, you know what I'm saying, there's a lot. You know what I mean? So McDonald's, in and out. Right. You know what I'm saying? So uh I got rejected so many times that uh it's just gonna feel and it's just gonna make me want to do it more. And so with Tubi, it makes sense now. I've I've talked to Tubi. I can talk to some of the execs from there now, and they're ex they can't grab everybody. You gotta you gotta earn it. Even if you feel like you earned it, they don't feel like you earned it. I'm not even talking about Tubi, I'm talking about any any place, any a booker, a promoter, you know what I'm saying? So uh well, I was doing, I started shooting, um, I was doing sketches, and then I said I gotta start doing series. Because my goal now has always been to do TV and film. So now I'm in so I I went back, not went back like a like a downgrade, but I started doing sketches just to build a fan base to show people that I'm funny, to show people that I'm somebody you want to watch and somebody you want to share.
SPEAKER_03To showcase what you do. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So now in the comments, they start asking, man, it's just episode too short. That's the that's what I want to hear. When you start hearing that, then you can start doing longer form content. Because a lot of times people start off making a short film. I don't think that, but uh Joke Thief came before you was doing IG. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? I you did Joke Thief, I did Perfect Plan. Me and Barry. Absolutely. I did double negative, these are short films I was doing with no fan base. Unless you got somebody promoting it or somebody that's gonna put it into like a film festival for you, and you know what I'm saying, or or or pitch it to Warner Brothers, if you don't have no fan base, especially nowadays, you it ain't no point of making a joke thief or a double negative. And don't make a short film or a fee, a feature film because you can do it. I got this, it's it's your it's your it's your baby, it's your story. Right. You know what I'm saying? But now if you do a Sheet Wins Now, it's different. You know what I'm saying? Like I if I did if I did um Lesbian Homie, I just made a series. I shot I put all this money into the series in 2019. How long how sure or how long the series? Now or then?
SPEAKER_03Uh uh when you f I guess when you first started.
SPEAKER_00When I first started doing uh Lesbian Homie, the first episode was like four minutes. Okay. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02And so what you're saying is people need to build their fan base before they get into doing longer foreign script films.
SPEAKER_00You owe to yourself, you owe it to yourself to be more patient. You know what I'm saying? Meaning like don't say, man, I got this feature film, I got this short film, and it's gonna cost me$10,000 to put it, you're gonna put all that money into it unless you got a place to put it to get your money back.
SPEAKER_02Or a place to put it or a big name attached to it, right?
SPEAKER_00Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, exactly. So I didn't have that, so I had to become the big name, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't even I I didn't even think that that was something I had to do. Because I mean I loved acting, I wanted to be an actor, a leading man, even. But I didn't but not to be famous. This is because I enjoy the art. And so me being in front of the camera is what started that. And I before that, like the Tiberius is what started everything. You know, before that, I was shooting the content. I got sketches that I'm not even in it. It's just on my page, and I got the homies, and I wrote it, I wrote it for you. I wrote it for you. I wrote it for you. I got I got I got a feature, I got a short film I wrote, a drama, that I wrote for Craig and my homeboy, who's now uh uh uh a leading man, he's doing this thing now. He's too big for the project now. Wow until you know what I'm saying, and this is my brother. We came up together, we went to school together, you know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't even have him do it now. I would have him do it when I when when that's a feature.
SPEAKER_03Now, what are your influences uh for this filmmaking, this writing, directing? Who do you draw from?
SPEAKER_00Spike uh Keenan. Um Spike, Keenan, Robert Townsend. You know what I'm saying? Uh I remember watching um shit, uh Low Down Dirty Shame. Classic. You know, uh of course F. Gary Gray with Friday, John Singleton with Boys in the Hood. But like I used to always tell myself, damn man, these guys start cracking when they was 24. I didn't start cracking until I was down there 35. That's what happens.
SPEAKER_03You do that, right?
SPEAKER_00But it don't matter. It don't it don't matter, man. And um, but uh because but they also got to it faster. I wasn't in the 24, I was my focus. I'm running around 24, man. I'm I'm up at the bay. I'm still trying to make the league. I'm trying to focus on a whole different industry. So that's why. But uh when I finally got focused and I started putting it together, that's when things are happening. So um after a while, I started I went through an aggregating company on on the that that can put your stuff on Tubi. Homestead. Homestead. What's the name?
SPEAKER_03You said that you went through a what company? Aggregating company.
SPEAKER_00Like a distributor, like a broker, like a like a middleman. Right. Um, and um it's glass slippers and homestead. They're two companies that work together to get content on Tubi. So I went through them for the first five, six um projects. Um, from uh Lesbi Homie season two was the first thing I put up there, and season one was still on YouTube. You know, and it will it would if you look at the content, that the quality, it's not, you know, I was shooting with the homies.
SPEAKER_01And but it's it's it's it's low to you now because of what you shoot. But at the time, it was high to the top of the.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. And um it got me uh looked at the whole crew of stupid, got me uh auditioning for Tyler Perry. You know what I'm saying? Because that project, we did a tour, me, Barry, and Barry forced me to do it in the correction. He convinced me to do it, then forced me. But we did let the whole crew of stupid and that went viral. And we did a part two, viral, three. I was like, oh shit. So now he's he's on the road. He's doing, he's doing, he's doing, uh, he's touring. You know, he's doing his own thing, but he getting noticed everywhere he goes. He in Denver, he in Seattle, he in Florida. He like, bruh, they asking about us. Bro, you gotta get on stage, bro. We gotta get on this road. And I was like, man, I ain't really did no time outside of LA. They go, Vegas, here and there, you know what I'm saying? So when you got when you was different, I was like, oh, London, now he's out there, but it makes you stronger. You know what I'm saying? Even when I was going, my mom from New York, so I would go, my mom used to live in New York back then. I would go to New York and uh I couldn't get on at the cellar, you know what I'm saying? Uh, you know, uh, so all those places you try to get on, but you can go. There's so many, there's so many clubs you can hit in New York, and that's how you get strong. So me and Craig had thoughts of moving and be bical. We're gonna move to get an apartment, one bedroom apartment, you're gonna sleep on the couch, we're gonna be in New York, we're gonna do that circuit for a couple years, get strong. It never happened, you know what I'm saying? But uh, so now I'm gonna stay. I got time, but I got you know I got time in LA, you can't really do no time. You got five minutes here, seven minutes here, and if you and they love you, and you might get 10 on somebody's birthday show. You know what I'm saying? But like, so I know I got I got so I had to start getting my little five minutes ago. I got five minutes here, I got five minutes here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, boom. And oh shit, I got 38 minutes. Okay, shoot. Really, really, if I probably shit, nigga, I got a I got an hour. But I never had to do an hour. I didn't do an hour until I was on roll on the road on my own tour 2019. You know what I'm saying? And it worked out. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02So hold on. I still want to get, I don't know if we got it all the way, which is we can go back. The aggregate. So you was putting your content on uh through the aggregate to get on Tubi. Then how did Tubi reach out to you? Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_00My bad. Nice hour. Not so good. You all good? So uh Homestead Glass Slipper, shout out to them. Now we still with Homestead. Uh, but uh we put the first episode up there, the first season, and that did cool the first year. It was alright. Um, and we put it we did a season three. Or I I think I did a cuddle. Season. The colour season was a show I did. I put it up there and they did all right too. You know what I'm saying? Season three did well. And it made season two do well. Okay, boom. So now I'm doing numbers. Now things are starting to look up. Oh, I'm on my my I'm in the cool little check now. Because it's it's a com it's a cumulative of all these two or three different shows on there. Um and then I put season four up there. Boom.
SPEAKER_03Bro, just real quick, here and you got man, you got a lot of content. Man, you're talking about season four of the eight though. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00I mean, people don't you put out a lot of work. I'm literally about to do season five, my nigga.
SPEAKER_02Shout out to you, bro. So season four, I don't try to get a little bit of a little bit of a yeah. Whatever you want, bro, we don't get it. Yes, sir, yes, sir.
SPEAKER_00Season four, season four, and then so mind you, my manager Dame, shout out to Dame. He's been reaching out to Tubi for years, and we met guys. We I had a meeting with Tubi, but he on the he's on the finance side. He's not on the green light, greenlit side. So he's everybody we talked to, even whether it's from Netflix or w whether it's from YouTube, I mean not YouTube, but Tubi, they're never in a position to where they were like, yeah, we're gonna walk your project in and just go. So we not until recently, recently, meaning like within this year, we finally got somebody to sit down with a Zoom call and have a conversation. But now at this point, now it's too it's 2025, we got I got season one, two, and three. And I'm about to put season four on there. So I got season one, two, and three of Les Me Home, and I got Cuddle season, that season, season one of that, and I made a uh uh Whole Crew Stupid, uh kind of like a uh a variety show. You know what I'm saying? I did one season of that, that's on there too. So now it's five titles on there. And they you know what I'm saying? So now they're seeing, okay, you got you're you're you're now you're creating you know you're creating a shows that you're putting on our network. Now we're gonna sit down and talk to you. And now we won't season five. Oh, oh, we gotta do that. I don't know if I ain't really want to do season five. That's what we won't, man. We like it. You know what I'm saying? So, but and the numbers are due, they're just doing well on Tubi, too, where they like it makes sense to do a season five.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So you still uh you're doing you still for a lot of projects, you still do a lot of self-investing, or do you reach out to other investors?
SPEAKER_00So this content, this this season we just did laugh at you in, yeah, that's self-funded. I had to have to eat that one. But it's worth it because like I say, I believe in myself, and at that point, I'm in a I'm blessed to be in a position to do that. You know, you don't ever you ever you don't ever want to use your own money. But at this point, but but if you have to, you don't want to, if you have to, yeah, and and I feel like it it'd be a return.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I have to ask you too, what what goes into your ideas for casting? Because you work with uh you work with some of the same people, but a lot of these people, I don't know how much training they had before you started working with them and you, you know, just being in your projects, it helped. You you saw something in them. He's like, how big were the yams?
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, so look, it's a it's a criteria, and just to be honest, um, so you it's categories. There's people who I I'll start with the women. Um, this women who are super talented as actresses, and you'll be like, damn, and they're beautiful, all of them are beautiful. You know what I'm saying? That's a plus. But uh, but she got chops. She actually, oh, oh, she got an agent. Oh, she worked. Oh, she got oh, she got cracking. Right, right. And she over here, she's trying to build her pro her profile because a lot of these managers and agents are saying, you gotta get your social media up. I know, you know what I'm saying? Zoe Kravitz don't have to. She's already cracking, she's gone. Right, right, right. Tessa Thompson gone, Tiana Taylor is gone. But you gotta get your, and you are just as dope as they are. But you gotta get your social media going. And not that's what everyone says, or you or you can just be so dope and you can kill your audition and then get on that way. That's also an option, too. That's a fact. Never that's never not gonna be an option in my opinion. Right. But the the other option that helps is the social media. You know what I'm saying? So um there's some women that are that are super talented, they got chops, and they and they look great on camera. And then you got girls who don't the chops ain't that strong, but they look great on camera. They hella yammed up. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Um, and uh and that helps. And a lot of the for me, and they cooperative. They got good energy. I don't think I I don't think there's anybody I shoot. If you see her shooting with me, she's in pocket, she got good energy, she don't never be disrespectful, and vice versa. Right. I it goes both ways. I'm never that weirdo nigga that's gonna fuck up the the chemistry between me and the person and off all on camera or off camera. So uh uh my uh any of you've been on sale with me, man. Absolutely. It's not gonna be no weirdness, it's not gonna be uh no uh ulterior motives, you know what I'm saying? No jealousy, no egos. I don't I don't like that. So uh I mean so um so sometimes you see me with a woman that not the greatest actress, but she I promise you she is cool. She comes, she pulls up, she don't complain. Professional. She's professional.
SPEAKER_01She gets right eventually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's gonna get better.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if she but if she if she wants to. You know what I'm saying? So and that's why I work with who I work with. Because sometimes you're like, damn, I would love to work with her, man, man, but she's flaky, man. She just uh her energy is not saying she cool, but she just professionalism all over. Yeah, so it's a real thing. You'll get you'll get more work if they like you. Even the people who be like, oh, he's an asshole, she's an asshole, but they work and they super popular. That's only gonna last so long. That might last 20 years. That might last 30. But eventually when shit just starts to crumble and you start seeing your friend in the round because they wasn't really your friend, because you wasn't really their friend. You know what I'm saying? So um the casting with the fellas usually is guys I've known over the years, comedy, and super talented dudes. You know what I'm saying? So I mean I know what I'm getting from you, from BT. You know what I'm saying? So when um That's why I promise you, I hit you. I said, let me call BT for this. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it don't make sense because we've been known each other for so long, but we should have been in fucking 50 projects together. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? And too soon come, soon come. But like, um, that's what it was, and it's it's like a cheat card. I know so many talented dudes. You know what I'm saying? Uh bruh, but you when I when I when people people talk to me about you, like they don't even know that I know you. And they'll it like and I show them uh I think I showed them like a uh an old video of you on stage, they're like, that's him. Like you a real actor, like you a real a person that can be anything. And um when I watch when I watch Melvin, bruh, I be forgetting it's you, dog. Nah, I'll be like, man, this dude really he is this nigga from fucking uh from uh Queens. Yeah like And it's it's so dope I remember you I remember your jokes on stage and and how you just you did how you just transformed into whatever character you need to be. That's that's real performance to me. Anyhow, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Of course, but I'm I'm motivated, I'm inspired all the time. Don't do it, no, yeah, yeah. I don't want to go but like dog, and so uh when I look at certain people, I know I'm sure we gotta go. Yeah, we got yeah, yeah, damn. You know what I'm saying? But uh uh, yeah, dog. So um you asked me about the. I know you you just told me about the casting. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02We gotta get to this game, nigga. Oh, he got 50 more questions. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we got a game real quick that we're gonna do real quick. Yeah. Because we got two other segments, and we gotta get out of there. Oh shit. Now, you have been more than gracious, brother. We need a game, baby. Inspire me. Trust me, bro. We got a game on this show called Kill It or Let Live. Okay, Kill It or Let Live. I'm gonna throw out a topic. You gonna say whether or not we should kill it, you're not messing with it, or let it live. It's all good. Oh shit. Okay? Buckle up, brother. Kill it? Oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Buckle up, brother. Kill it or let live. Responding to negative comments on social media.
SPEAKER_00Uh so look so hold on. So you I gotta find out what kill it means and what let live means.
SPEAKER_02So kill it is you not messing, like responding, like so kill it means you're not messing with it. If you say kill it, like don't, like, don't respond. Okay, okay. Let it live mean, yeah, I'm gonna respond to these negative comments on social media. So kill it or let live, responding to negative comments on social media.
SPEAKER_00Kill that shit, bro. Um kill it, but yeah. Okay, man.
SPEAKER_02Kill it or let live. Having a threesome with your girl, but the third person is a guy.
SPEAKER_00Oh, kill it, my nigga. Absolutely. Yeah, kill it, man. Absolutely, bro. Kill it or live. No judgment, fellas. You know what I'm saying? But that ain't me.
SPEAKER_02Kill it or let live. Having a hundred million followers on every social media platform, but you gotta participate in a diddy party.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely kill it, man. Can't do it, won't do it. And I promise you, if niggas know me for real, that ain't my that ain't my bag. Shout out to anybody that might have been to a Diddy party. Here's the thing. I would have gone to a Diddy party back in the day. No, would you? Yeah, before you, who wouldn't have? I've I've been to a couple, but I didn't know. Yeah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. I know guys who've been there at Diddy parties, but here's the thing, man. Hey, hey, hey. 100%, but there's not it's it's impossible for me to do any goofy shit, bro. Like, I promise you, I don't got no skeletons on me. Even, you know what I'm saying? That's a blessing. I don't got no skeletons on me. You ain't never cheated on your lady? Whoa. Oh, okay. No, no, no. Yeah, but I'm also transparent too. Oh, you're married. Yeah, yeah, I'm married.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm saying, but I'm saying back in the day, I ain't talking about many.
SPEAKER_00But no, no, no. Me and my lady be solid, man. Okay. Um, no, super solid.
SPEAKER_02But before the marriage.
SPEAKER_00But here's the thing, man.
SPEAKER_02Uh I guess that's the skeleton no more.
SPEAKER_00Because I'm a transparent nigga, man. I I don't, I yeah, uh, no skeleton. No, skeletons meaning like it's gonna kill my career or something that I'm like, oh no, I don't want nobody to hush me. I don't got no hush money for nobody.
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SPEAKER_00You know what I'm saying? And not no judgment, I don't judge people, man. Four people is human and they do their thing. Right, right. But like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't need to be famous that bad at all. So I don't care nothing about no Diddy, no, no, no lotion, no, I'm not waking up. I'm not waking up sore. If I'm waking up sore, it's it's a problem for everybody in it. I'm the type of nigga that if me and you scrubbing and y'all got the cameras out talking about Warstorm, I'm trying to knock you up, I'm on y'all niggas.
SPEAKER_02I got a cemetery and my goddamn closet. I'll put it in the business. I don't got no skeletons no more. Right. Kill it or let live. This is the last one. Kill it or let live. You get to star in the upcoming Medea Goes to Space movie. But you got to wear that dress. Come on, man, kill it, man.
SPEAKER_04You're not gonna kill it, man.
SPEAKER_00Here's the thing. Here's the thing, bro. Uh high school. Just a once again. Nah, I work with Tyler brother, uh Sir Brother Perry, Sir Perry, Mr. Perry, man, and it was a great experience. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was a great experience, man. I hadn't.
SPEAKER_02Did he invite you to his mansion?
SPEAKER_00No, he didn't. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Brothers. Brothers, yep. Yeah, brothers. Shout out to my nigga Barry, man. Me. But that's a killer, you say? I mean, yeah, I'm killing it. Okay. Here's the thing. And real quick, I remember, bro, I'm a 90s, I'm an 80s baby, but I grew up in the 90s, and I would have definitely done Shine. I definitely would have done Wanda. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that was then. I'm 16. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now I can't see myself putting a dress on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, now here's the thing. If somebody put a dress on right now, one of y'all three put a dress on right now to do a character, to do a Miss Doubtfire or Wanda, I'm not tripping. I know y'all niggas, man. Right. You know what I'm saying? And if y'all weird, y'all weird. You know what I'm saying? But y'all not weird because y'all put the dress on.
SPEAKER_01Y'all weird because y'all.
SPEAKER_00Because if you put the dress on for the sake of, like, I don't think Martin's weird for being Shenane. Right. Right, right. I think, you know what I'm saying? So if that happened today, I'm not thinking he's weird. It's a hilarious character.
SPEAKER_02Anyone that's putting a dress on, you're not weird, okay? You are a normal person. Right. We're trying to stay uncancelled out of this.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no. I'm not saying you're weird for putting the dress on. I'm saying that don't make you weird. You being weird makes you weird. Right. Like, for example, someone like, man, uh, who will put the dress on, man? And they don't want to do it, but they do it because, man, I'm being the opportunity, those that's weird to me. But if you put the dress on for the sake of comedy, for the sake of the for the joke, for the bit, for the performance, I don't think, yeah. That's what I mean when I say that's crazy. I ain't gonna get kill it canceled. Don't cancel none of us. I don't judge you for it. I'm saying, but just do it for the right reasons, in my opinion. Yeah. Uh top five uh black hood movies.
SPEAKER_01Top five. Ooh, I'm gonna need that one next time.
SPEAKER_00Uh top five black hood movies. Yeah. Oh.
SPEAKER_01I want to uh have a conversation with you about genres. That'll be another time. But like I feel like you're gonna be.
SPEAKER_00Top five uh yeah, hood movies. Um damn, so many of them. Not in the grander scale of things, it's not, but like for us, yeah. It's a lot. Uh Boys, Boys in the Hood, um, Menace. Yeah. Uh Hood, like, gotta be not gangster, but they gotta be drama.
SPEAKER_02They have to be drama, they can be comedy, too.
SPEAKER_00They could be comedy, they could be horror, they could be best rom-com of all time is Boomerang. Facts. Yes.
SPEAKER_02I agree.
SPEAKER_00I feel like if Boomerang, and that's the beauty of it, and I'm not just saying this because y'all hear, I promise you. If Boomerang cracked off right now, all four of us should be in it. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of other uh dope ass characters, dope ass actors and comedians that deserve to be in it too, but we're four of the guys that should be in it. And I'm not just saying, I promise you, I promise when y'all first saw this kill it, and I saw that y'all three were doing this show, I was like, huh. And I promise, the first thing in my mind was the story I told you. Yeah. I said, bro, and I'm always love you for that.
SPEAKER_02Oh man.
SPEAKER_00You know what I'm saying? For sure, for sure. You know what I'm saying? And I remember your journey, man, from what from my perspective, your journey from my perspective. So everybody needs a it's the best show, best rom com facts in the history of rom-coms, bro. Yes, boom. So that's that's three for me. Um so many. I I we say I'm black because because of course X, Malcolm X is probably my favorite film. So do we put that in a it's not a hood movie, but hood because it's black, and hood because we from the hood, or oh Touche. Uh Yoko. We can put X in the Hood.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh yeah, Malcolm Little.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was for sure hood. Yeah. It was a full. Yeah, even if it got killed by niggas.
SPEAKER_02They don't get too much. Get your hand out of my pocket.
SPEAKER_00And it's legendary. Get your hand out of my pocket.
SPEAKER_03That line was by Wendell Pierce. Okay. English out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was like, Oh shit, Wendell Pierce shot. Oh, it was. So uh Malcolm X. Uh damn, it's so many men. So one more. Uh one more. Okay. This is you, I know we're in the time crack. You gotta be. I'm one of the niggas that it's hard to decide. Uh, I gotta give me an East Coast in ears. Let me do it's out of the New Jack Payton Full. Yeah, ooh. Uh or juice. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say paydenful. Okay, I love it. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Independent route, man.
SPEAKER_02Hey man, let people know. What you want this nigga.
SPEAKER_01No, I was just gonna say tell people uh what it looks like for you killing it. Oh, yeah, yeah, my bad. So, so, so uh what you have it exactly how you want it, career-wise. What does killing it look like to you? Are you directing? Are you producing? You got a full studio? What does it look like?
SPEAKER_00Full studio for sure. And and I'm in I I've been nervous to even uh I feel like I need more content before I do a full studio. And in the full studio, Barry Brewery says something to me that stuck to me, stuck with me. Um don't you don't do a studio for you, you do a studio for others. You know what I'm saying? For everybody. Because I can't, I can I will I want to make 10 10 projects a month. I can't do it by myself. So if I got a studio, so if I got a studio, I got everything, you know what I'm saying? If we got scripts and we got we got manpower and some capital to pay these people to to shoot this content, that's what I want to do. So the goal is killing it for me is have an opportunity for everybody that got that got content and stories they want to tell. If I'm the caveat, if I'm the the engine that people go through to do that, then so be it. You know what I'm saying? So that's killing for me.
SPEAKER_02Let people know what what projects you got out and where they can find you.
SPEAKER_00Man, so so big job, all platforms, 2Gs, B-I-G-G, J-A-H, on YouTube, Facebook, uh, uh, Twitter, um, IG, um, Snapchat, uh, TikTok, everybody. All that, all that. LinkedIn. Now, um, and uh, I got Laugh. Laugh is a show that we'll be um dropping next month. Uh Laugh is uh it's a new series I'm doing. Um, yeah, I can't wait to put that out, man. Uh Les Me Homie season five is coming.
SPEAKER_02There you go, man. Hey man.
SPEAKER_00Go on Tubi. Watch all season one through five one through four of Les Me Homie right now, please.
SPEAKER_02Hey man, watch that. Watch it flight before Christmas. I know that's out right now.
SPEAKER_00Flight before Christmas, thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no doubt. Um, and man, make sure you like, comment, subscribe. We appreciate you for tapping in with the culture. You know what I'm saying? That's what we do around here on Killin' It, and we've been your host, Justin Holly. London Brown. BT Kingsley. And the one and only Big J. Come on,