Killin It
Comedians London Brown, Justin Hires, & BT Kingsley converse with top people in entertainment and culture that are killing it in their life and career.
Killin It
DULCÉ SLOAN
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Comedian, Dulcé Sloan, talks about working as a correspondent on the 'The Daily Show', how comedy festivals catapulted her career, young comedians need to stay out of the green room, dangers of Hollywood not having a "pilot season", breaks down how SAG insurance works, and more.
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I went to my acupunctures yesterday. I got her f put. Got all my Chinese medicines back.
SPEAKER_05I'm about to go visit one too. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I had to get a new one, my other one passed away.
SPEAKER_05Oh really?
SPEAKER_06Damn. So didn't work.
SPEAKER_00We had ter he had terminal cancer.
SPEAKER_05Oh my god. Oh. You ain't.
SPEAKER_00Great job.
SPEAKER_06Great. And that's our opener.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's a traditional Chinese doctor, and he was so traditional, he was a Jewish man. And uh Oh wow. Yeah. But he was really he was he put me on um anyway. I'm I'm I'm rambling. Here we go. No, no, no. We already gone. Oh yeah, uh I started I got real sick at the beginning of the year. Like, you know how everybody was sick at the beginning of the year, but nobody could get over it. Because I was on antibiotics twice, had a whole like chest infection, I had to go get an x ray, all this other just testing some SAG insurance.
SPEAKER_06And uh I remember having SAG insurance. Oh, how was it? Yours is still activated? Yeah. I work. She likes I work.
SPEAKER_00But my my what do you mean it says is still activated?
SPEAKER_05Because you say you remember having your residual.
SPEAKER_06Oh, it'll go off if you uh if you're not working for a certain amount of years, they don't count residual money.
SPEAKER_00They do count residual money. If you don't make $25,000, there's a there's a income threshold. So if you don't make because you remember she like, so I remember there's a cap on it. There's a cap. I get that cap. So during COVID, so during COVID, Sharon Stone was on Instagram saying she lost her insurance because she didn't make $25,000 that year. So she lost her sag insurance. So if the tag is a threshold, they do count residuals. So thank God I was on a cartoon because the cartoon residuals are how I hit the threshold to be able to keep my insurance.
SPEAKER_06Oh, you want to know what?
SPEAKER_05That's why I dug into the question.
SPEAKER_06You know what's you know what's up? Right, and I did because I was on Lil Kev, but I wasn't even thinking that counted. You should check it out. Did you pay your dues? Yeah, I pay my dues. Okay. But I'm I'm under my my wife insurance right now. Living it up. That's what's I be needing my insurance.
SPEAKER_05I never activated. Huh? I said, I don't even I've been I've been able to work, but I was like, I need to really activate because they keep asking me when I go get my physical therapy, like you got your insurance. I'm like, let me check. Oh yeah, you definitely should have SAG insurance. What?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, SAG insurance is great now.
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna go to the to the to the comment. You know what it is? Same thing with my credit. Thank goodness my credit is finally is where it really should be. But the point is, is that when you grow growing up in the hood, right? What happens is my credit was crazy, not cause it was ruined, but I didn't have any. Because when you grow up in a hood, you just go cash. You don't even you're not even thinking about trying to, you're like, yo, let me I don't because you don't want debt. Yo, let me just let me get it out the way. Here go cash, everything is cash. Then you realize as an adult that how crazy the system is. The system is on some is on some BS, so they've created, they've doubled down on it to everybody else to say, okay, we're gonna include you guys in on this BS. We ain't got no money at the top. We ain't got no money, so y'all ain't got to have no money either. So y'all pay our bills, and so we pay our bills. And you start keeping looking at it, it's like y'all do got money up there. This is a whole there's a whole thing. But anyway, I'm gonna definitely, yeah, that's that's what's up. Uh I'm gonna activate my insurance.
SPEAKER_00Do we do we do you do we need to sit down and look at the sag insurance?
SPEAKER_05Because you know it's no no no actually. You know what, actually insurance. No, it's a different website. Right, right, right. Right. So but I do want to talk to you after that. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Because I I want you to have but you know, you can only sag because here's the thing about sag insurance is that like if you miss the deadline to pay it, you only can do it like because I remember like 2016, I'm on this late on the phone with this lady because I had I was traveling and I just missed the deadline to pay it. I had the money and I just missed it. And I remember crying on the phone of this lady, being like, because it was my first because I was like just just became a full-time comic. So, and full-time performer, so I needed this insurance. And I'm crying on the phone with this lady, like, please, I have the money. Right, please let me re-and so she did some, she did some some letter, and she let me re- but they're like, you only give you like one or two times for the entire coverage of your life. Wow, wow. So if you're an actor for your whole life and you can reach your whole life, you can only f up one payment. Now you can not pay your dues, they just won't pay you your residuals, and you just can't work. But if you don't pay your insurance, it's like every other insurance company, because it's like blue cross insurance, it's PPO. So they still have to follow those rules where it's just like, nah, you missed the premium payment. You could only enroll at a certain time. So it's like, how long have you been in SAG?
SPEAKER_05Oh, I've been in SAG at least 2000. 10 years, at least, right? 2011? Oh, yeah. 10, 11, something like that.
SPEAKER_00So what insurance have you had? You just been walking around just loose? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Real insurance. Um I'm gonna tell you why. The I'm a BIDC. You gotta I've got a let me let me introduce you to the how how the real world works, which is hold on. Uh-oh. Don't do that. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it to you, I'm gonna break it down. Because real world's crazy. I'm I'm saying, I'm gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_04No, no, I'm gonna explain. Real world. Whose world?
SPEAKER_05Real world, real world. Okay, so I'm gonna so your world. Go ahead. Let me explain. When you grow up in the hood, we don't grow up, insurance, none of that is not if you grew up with insurance, that already is a that's a beautiful thing.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Stupid characters. So hold on. So what this is my question. What state did you grow up in?
SPEAKER_05It's right here in LA, South Street LA.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so most states, so I grew up mostly in Georgia and Florida, mostly Georgia.
SPEAKER_06Hey, you too.
SPEAKER_00You're welcome. And so when you're if you were at a certain if you're at a certain income threshold, most states, regardless of their parent of your parents' economic status, okay, the state will give you insurance. Okay. So like Georgia has something called peach care. Okay. So no matter if your parents might not have had insurance for whatever job they had, but the state will give a child insurance. And so that's how, so like when my mother had she had jobs where she had insurance, and then she had jobs where it hadn't been offered yet, or she's in between jobs because she had her own businesses. So when she had her own businesses, she didn't have insurance. Right. But the state always gave us insurance. And so I think one of my aunties, I don't I don't know, I was a child, it wasn't my none of my business. But it's like kids always had insurance. Now your mother is but the kids always had insurance because that's just how the state was.
SPEAKER_04I think we're talking about the same thing in two different ways. There's the facts of what's actually happening, and then there's a perception of the world. It's like, if I don't remember having insurance. Yes, the state might have it might have absolutely been there.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I remember having insurance because it's like my brother had glasses, and then my brother needed braces. And then it was like, and so, and then sometimes my brother would play sports. So when you have a kid that does this, like I remember I twisted my ankle one time. So it was always I knew about also my mom was let's see. By the time my mom was 23, she was raising us by herself. Right. So I knew so much because it was just the three of us. Right. So I was just more involved sometimes. I sometimes I knew nothing. And then sometimes it's like, oh, we got we're taking you to the dentist because the insurance came in. We're taking you to here. So I was cognizant of the fact of you have to go to the doctor, you have to do this.
SPEAKER_04You were cognizant of it.
SPEAKER_00But my mother was always like, You need to go because my brother needed glasses. So it was always.
SPEAKER_04Right. So like like let me give you a couple.
SPEAKER_00Because my brother was cross-eyed like a brother, so they needed glasses.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_00So I so I care, we were pressed.
SPEAKER_04So I don't know, I don't know. I won't say me, because, you know, I don't know what the Statue of Libertation is. But perhaps insurance? Uh on life, let's just we're just talking. Well, you know, it's it's it's a lot of people. There might have been uh a kid that I knew who uh did a backflip off a truck and broke both his arms.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, no, the statue it sustained. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, okay, so uh We don't know this kid. Yeah, we don't know this kid.
SPEAKER_00This is hypothetical. Hypothetical. He broke his arms. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_04Uh and so he landed wrong. No, no, no. He didn't know how to do a flip off a truck. I don't know what the fuck is dumbass. So it's hypothetical. The nigga broke both his arms.
SPEAKER_00Because he landed wrong because he had no business doing it in the first place. Exactly. Sustained.
SPEAKER_04He's on the, he's he he falls down, probably has a concussion, goes to uh to the to the homie's house, and was like, ooh, I'm a little woozy and then catches up. All right, cool. That night, his mother tried to make him like carry some groceries. He's like, I can't carry this shit. Next day wakes up, arm still hurt. Uh, well, mom don't know. I don't know. She worked in a hospital, so she should have known if she had insurance or not. I don't know if she knew or not. I know that that young man went and posed as somebody who knew they had insurance as they son and went under a different name to get the shit fixed. So you're 1,000% correct. The state might have covered it. Listen, niggas But niggas be dumb.
SPEAKER_00But you also understand, like, that was also like an episode of Friends.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Where one of them, as a grown adult, didn't have insurance. And I didn't watch the show often, but it's I remember this distinctly where it was just like I ain't watch Friends.
SPEAKER_06It was David Single now. I like Friends as a black dude.
SPEAKER_00I didn't always sometimes I was like, eh, because me and my mom used to make fun of my brother for watching it. And so every once in a while you're just like, well, making fun of this nigga. Oh, okay. Um, but there was an episode where one of the girls had to pose as the other one because she didn't have an insurance. So it's not to say that people always don't have it. It's just that when it comes to like you're paying dues into the union. Right. And so because you're paying dues into the union and the your insurance coverage is based on how much you work, you have technically earned your insurance. So if you're not using your insurance, then you are not using a benefit of being a working performer. Because there are plenty of people who are in SAG that cannot, that don't qualify for the insurance.
SPEAKER_04We got a whole uh platform here, niggas working. So let's uh just set this up, baby. Are you want me to do it?
SPEAKER_06Not only that, I was before we get into that, I was gonna say Mike Tyson said one of the best things about a woman is that there are teeth they're teachers. And I feel like you just taught us a lot. So thank you.
SPEAKER_00I'm so tired of teaching you niggas.
SPEAKER_06I mean, just wait, what's it? Tyson, I was you know, you know why I said it? You know why I said it.
SPEAKER_00What is he doing right now? Fucking laughing. That's why I said it, nigga. It's hilarious. That's the I'm spinning up, we spend a whole lot of keeping you motherfuckers alive. Every day it's headache. And we got that dick. And he did it anyway. I'm sure there was a little girl going, I don't think he knows how to do it back in the back. Come on, you don't know how to do that. That's why we need y'all.
SPEAKER_05Y'all do spend a lot of time keeping us from keeping us alive. As much as we spend a lot of time keeping y'all protected. Go ahead, B T. Come on. I'm not about protected protected from who?
SPEAKER_06Protected from the from the r from y'all. Even if we ain't y'all biggest threat. Come on. No, no, no, no. I'm not black men, not the black. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. No one's that black men.
SPEAKER_00It's like y'all are protected. And my question is, who are y'all protecting us from? That's always my question. If we're being protected, who are we being protected from? Because would you ever feel like you need to? I'm just asking.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_00Because I hear this a lot. We keep y'all protected. Great.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_00From who?
SPEAKER_06Okay, so me being a married man.
SPEAKER_00Hold on, stop. You were starting your podcast. You interview your podcast?
SPEAKER_06No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, we're doing it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We do it. We got it. We got it. As a married man, I'm protective of my wife. Okay. Right, you should be. That's physically, emotionally, spiritually, praying for her, making sure she has a house, car, money, when needed, that's what, that's so that's how I'm protected. As a black woman, right now, right now, if somebody walked in here, talked sideways to you. I just met you today, I beat their ass. That's good. Okay. So that's how we protect you. No, no, no. That's how you protect. That's I think any, any, I think any three of us, if a dude came in here right now.
SPEAKER_04But this is bitch ass niggas, though, is her point.
SPEAKER_06It is a lot of bitch ass. Always gonna be bitch ass niggas. That's a fact.
SPEAKER_04Just like it's the nigga that came in here was a bitch ass nigga. There's always.
SPEAKER_00Also, how'd he get in here? The number of doors that you got to go through. The imaginary nigga. How does the imaginary nigga get in here? First of all, we were in a when I say undisclosed location. Um address was wrong. This nigga had to come yell down the street and come get in. That's not true. DPS know what it's doing. So wait a minute. That's how we know about that.
SPEAKER_06What about it when you got here today? Who complimented your hair? Me. Bam.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I paid for it.
SPEAKER_06What are you talking about? Here's the. How does that protection? This is protection.
SPEAKER_00Wait a minute. What's on the car? Automatically. What's on the car? I don't want to do this. I've been to enough therapy when I'm uncomfortable. I will leave. Okay, I'm with my car to go outside. So I did not come out here. I got a remote started on my phone. Keep the keys.
SPEAKER_04I'm starting to talk about the control. Listen, man. Hey. We starting on fire as we do, man. Another man, another episode, man. I'm very, very excited to be here. I love it. I love it. Another exciting episode. Uh I am one of your hosts, B.T. Kingsley. London Brown. Justin Hyers. And man, we have an amazing guest here today. Fiery.
SPEAKER_00Two phone book card, nigga. I don't want to know. I got two phones.
SPEAKER_04She is uh an Emmy Award winner. She is hilarious. She is uh making amazing waves through the through this business that we call entertainment and then some on the comedy side. Uh we love her. She be teaching stuff too. And we be needing it, okay? She don't want to teach, but she don't want to teach, but she's gonna do teaching. She getting frustrated, but she likes them hugs. Ladies and gentlemen, the one that's protecting you.
SPEAKER_00Hello, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_06Spicy, spicy. Go for it, baby.
SPEAKER_04So many things. All right. So um, first things first. You uh are before I get to all the other stuff, you did something that we have not had the opportunity to talk to a lot of people about in that seat. And you did, you know, I don't know. I I would say it's the big jump, but that's because my perception might be.
SPEAKER_06He be jumping right in. Uh hold on, hold on. Go for it, go for it. No, no, no, no, what you go ahead? So sometimes I feel like we should like get the backstory before we jump to the accomplishment.
SPEAKER_04No, I wasn't even in the accomplishment yet. I was in uh I was uh accomplished today. Okay, okay. You know, I'd be on some bird shit. The um you made the move from New York to LA. Um, bold gesture for a lot. Uh you were in rarefied air in New York because a lot of comics I talked to in New York, the comedians in New York specifically told me, you know what the difference is between New York and LA? Y'all care about all the important shit that we don't give a shit about. We just be getting up and having sex and so on and so forth. That wasn't your world. You were working. Yeah. And you were doing great. Yeah. And decided to, I'ma shift gears, I'm coming to LA, and it's working out here too. Well, well Talk to me about that decision.
SPEAKER_00I was in LA first. So I started in Atlanta and then in there. Clark Lane University. Brunell University. Um, I it's a very white school. Um, but I also have an $85,000 theater degree with no loans. So I um paid off my student loans too. Never had them. So I don't know what we're doing right now. Um, I got a competition for no reason. Oh shit am I supposed to make in my school? Like, I didn't make none of it. Because you said Atlanta, you stayed in school, I'm like, fuck am I supposed to stay in my school? So we just leave me in the school, I'm with a school. That's my fault. I got number of it. We gotta get up a TV show together. Like, bring up. I don't bring up. What I'm saying is that so I moved to LA in 2016 because I I won Stand Up for Diversity, which was a comedy competition that um NBC used to do. And I think they've changed the name now. I don't know if they I don't know.
SPEAKER_06But I got a holding No More Niggas. Oh, yeah. That's what it feels.
SPEAKER_00It ran into black people, and now it's just called uh comedy. And so I got a holding deal with NBC. And so I moved here in February 2016, and then the only reason I moved to New York was because I got Daily Show. I never wanted to live in New York. I never wanted to move to New York because I've always hated it with a passion. And so I never wanted to live there, but I moved there for Daily Show. And then I was on Daily Show for seven years, and so I bought a house out here and then moved back out here. Because the goal was to always be here. And so I was only in New York because of Daily Show, and then I was done with Daily Show, I bought a house and moved back out here. So I was there specifically just for work. But that's how I got here in the first place is for work. But I've only moved because of work. Like I did Summerstock Theater, I was living in Quaker Town, Pennsylvania for like three months. I lived in North Carolina for a month doing theater, so I've always traveled for work. But yeah, the only reason I was there was because of Daily Show.
SPEAKER_06When you got Daily Show, was John Stewart still there or was it Trevor?
SPEAKER_00It was Trevor. So Trevor was uh Trevor had been on the show for two years when I got it. And so Jessica left when John left. Um, and so Trevor wanted another black woman correspondent. And so I auditioned for the show.
SPEAKER_06Well, I'm gonna get into my Daily Show questions then. Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's on the cards. Ah! It's on the cards. It's on the card. Let me rip them up. How'd you book how how'd you how'd you get the audition for Daily Show?
SPEAKER_00I want to thank you for this question.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Only because usually people ask me this question wrong. Okay. People usually ask me, How'd you get Daily Show? And I realize when comics ask me this, they're asking me more than what I think they're. They're asking me more. Once I start answering the question, they're asking me more than what I think they are. So how did I get the audition for Daily Show? That is a question I wish more people would ask me. Because people go, how do you get Daily Show? And I go, I audition for it. And they go, but what do you mean? I'm like, I don't, that's how you get on the TV show. And so I got the audition because I had one of the things was I was working full-time as a comic. And so I had gotten a holding deal with NBC. I was um, I'd been on like seven episodes of Comedy Knockout. I'd done some talking head stuff for uh one of them cable channels that nobody can remember. Um it's one of those things where you like you watch a video and go, I can't believe this man got hit in the head, and then you do that a hundred times. Uh and so you pack all your rainbow outfits into one suitcase and hope they don't melt before the end of the shoot because they're close from rainbow. Um but I was, and then I had done uh the Road to Roast battle. And uh I didn't do great. I'm gonna roaster. So my roast did not go well. And uh when it came out, a comic called me and goes, Oh, God loves you because your roast didn't air. And I was like, Thank God, I still got paid. So it was crazy because the one other roast on there was so bad. But I think it was like somebody must have been like, we're not gonna do this to her, we're gonna sing this off in here. But I was working consistently, and so Comedy Central uh hit up my manager and asked me to audition. And I called my manager and I was like, I don't want to do it. Cause I didn't want to move to New York. And I'd never really watched the show. And I didn't see myself as a political comic. Like, I talk about who I am as a person, so it's sociopolitical because I'm talking about my experiences as a human. But truly like Republican, Democrat, da da da da the Senate. Like I wasn't doing that, um, which is exactly what Trevor was looking for. And so I get the audition and I don't want to do it. And one of my friends was supposed to help me, and I was actually in New York at the time and shooting something, and one of my friends was supposed to help me, and then when she she didn't help me, and I was like, Oh, I guess it's not gonna happen. And my manager calls and he's like, Where's the tape? And I was like, Oh, uh, it didn't happen. He's goes, I was like, I guess I missed the deadline. He said, Hold on. Called him back an hour later. He's like, they gave you an extension. I was like, motherfucker. And so he I get back to New York and because I need somebody to do the tape with me. You've done enough tapes for like somebody has to read with you. And he called me on, so this was before for Zoom. He called me on Skype, and I set my phone up on my laptop. And so he was the other reader on the audition because he's like, I don't know what you're up to, but I'm not gonna not let you audition for this. This is your manager? This is my manager. Oh my manager. So and then I was going through uh, I was going through like, you know, my Google Drive one day, and I realized I'd actually auditioned for the show in 2015, and none of us remembered. To the show that the show didn't remember, my manager didn't remember, I didn't remember. None of us remembered. And so I get the second audition, so there's like there's the first one you get, and you have to write your audition out. Um, so they give you one that's pre-recorded, and then you have to write something.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow.
SPEAKER_00And then I got and then they send you another one and then I got a callback, and so they fly you out and then they put you up. And it was like me and Zainab and another girl, I think a girl named Makila. And so the when you come out for the callback. You audition with Trevor. And so the first thing I did was I read a they gave me like something to do on a teleprompter. And because I'd done stuff with teleprompter before. And then I sat down with him and did uh the piece that I wrote. And so the second one I wrote was like uh it's how hard it is to be black and patriotic, especially for me, because my birthday's July 4th. And so that was the whole so the thing is you write what you say and you write what he says as well. So you I wrote the whole desk piece out.
SPEAKER_06And that's it, that's how it is on the regular show too? No. Okay. We have writers for that.
SPEAKER_00Um And so I do the take I do the thing with him, you sit there for a second, you wait to hear back. I go to the airport, and I get to the airport, and my manager calls me, and somebody goes, Hold on. And then there's like by the end of me holding on, there's like 20 people on the phone. And my manager goes, Oh, you got it. And the first thing out of my mouth was, Oh, now I have to move to New York. Wow. And they're like, You're not excited? I was like, I'll call you back. And so because I wasn't excited because I didn't want to live there. And also it was like, I didn't know if I would do this, but more than anything, I didn't want to live in New York. And it was uh it was so funny because everyone was more excited for me than I was because I just was like I kind of wasn't under st it's like I understood it, but it was just like I hadn't moved I hadn't lived in LA for like I just got in my apartment.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00So I lived in so like I moved to my apartment like September 1st of 2016. And then September 1st, 2017, I'm moving to New York. So and it's I think I just sublet my apartment because it happened so quick. So it's like I got I booked it in Ju July, and I was like, what the fuck do I do? Like I have this apartment now, what do I do with this apartment? And so I ended up like subletting it and shit, but like it was just this thing of everybody was so excited, and I didn't know what to do with everyone's excitement because I also didn't watch the show. So I didn't know what the fuck everybody was excited about. And then I get I just knew I had a job, and then I was like, and then I ended up being going back to JFL. It was a new face in 2015, and I went back to JFL because I booked the show. And I had agents, I'd got my agents a year before, but I didn't have a booking agent. Because even though I had done conan, unlike when any white dude does conan, you don't automatically start doing clubs on the weekends. Right. A white boy gets conan or late night or whatever, and now he's all of a sudden. No, no, no, no. I had to get Daily Show to start doing clubs on the weekends. So once I book Daily Show, then all of a sudden I get a booking agent from my agency. Here's the other thing you're not allowed to tell anybody when you book this. Just like when you get new faces, you can't tell anybody. When you book this, you can't tell anybody. But the industry tells everybody. So I get to JFL, and now there's a bunch of men, like older white men, walking up to me and be like, hey, Dulce, and then are shaking my hand and then whispering in my ear, congratulations. You told me I couldn't tell my mama. Right. I couldn't tell my homegirl, I couldn't tell nobody. But everybody here fucking knows. And I asked one of my friends who's an agent, I said, How the fuck does everybody know? He said, Oh, because everybody sent their clients out. And so when somebody books something, you have to let people know who booked it. So all of the agents, all of the managers, all of the reps knew. And so I'm standing on the patio at JFL one time.
SPEAKER_05J just for laughs? Just for laughs. For people for the people watching. Sorry, just for laughs.
SPEAKER_00Um because most people they get new faces and they don't come back. The only reason I was able to come back is because of daily shows. The only reason I came back all of those years is because of Daily Show. And then I got the variety thing in 2018. So it was this whole, and so now there was a variety like on the list.
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SPEAKER_00Right. And so now I'm standing on the patio and there's a million people outside. What year is this? This is 2018, uh, 2017. I was there. And so and so people were, I'm watching information move in real time. So I'm watching people whisper and then somebody else wave at me, and it's going around the patio. I'm not supposed to tell my mom. Right. I'm not supposed to tell my friends, but fucking strangers are telling my business, and I'm seeing it move across the fucking, and I just look at my friends and I'm like, hey, I got fucking before it gets around back to me. Right. We're overall, like, is that commercial, you know, like wait, Bobby got a new chest here. It's like, oh, we got an Oreo cake start, like that kind of shit. So before it gets back to me, let me tell my friend before because then everybody knew, but technically I wasn't supposed to say anything. So now I'm in LA and people are like, I heard you got the other show. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And Annie's like, I know you got it. And I'm like, oh no, Trump gonna go, Annie. But you can't say anything because you can't say anything. And so eventually I was like, this is none of my fucking business anymore. But it changed. So then I get it. I'm like, so I don't understand the significance of it because I understand the significance of it, but I don't understand the significance of it. You see what I'm saying? Right. So like I know it was a big deal, but I didn't know for me it was a job. And so I thought I got a job on a TV show, and I called my mama when I got there because I get there and there's an office and all this other shit, and I'm like, oh fuck. I thought it was on a TV show. I'm in a fucking office. And so I called my mother and I was like, mommy, I said I worked hard to get out of an office, and then I've hardworked myself back into a fucking office. In fucking New York. In fucking New York, because on the first floor is a TV show. That's where the studio is, there's hair and makeup, there's editing base. On the top floor, it's a fucking office. So when you're usually on a TV show, you don't interact with the writers. When you're on a TV show, the script is already done. That's not how this works. We make the show every day. So out of 52 weeks, we work for 40 weeks. Sheesh. So every day the writers are doing shit, and I'm waiting to get called.
SPEAKER_06Y'all get Fridays off, though, don't y'all?
SPEAKER_00Right, because no one shoots on Fridays. But so you could tour on weekends, but you spend all day waiting for somebody. So I would just I would come to work and you're literally at work. So like Josh put it, like, you're at work. They pay you to be at work so you're not somewhere else.
SPEAKER_06Josh Johnson. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But that's how most, if you think about it, that's how most jobs are. I'm paying you to be here so you're not using your skills somewhere else. And so there would be days where like I know I had to shoot today. I know how to I come in, I gotta shoot, da da da. And then other days I'm sitting there and it's like, oh, bagel, and somebody pops in your office, like, hey, you're on the show today and you're in two sketches. Bye. And you're like, uh, and that's just how you're just a doctor on call all day. It's just how the nature of it is. But it's people would ask me about the audition because you're trying to crack the code. And the weirdest thing about moving to New York was that it's such I didn't realize how much comics coveted this job because I went from Atlanta and then I came to LA. So I didn't know how much this particular job was coveted by comics. And so I get to New York and everybody's acting like, and so a lot of comics were just kind of like, it was, I remember like when somebody was like, Well, I know you're you're automatically passing the seller because you're at Daily Show, right? I was like, one has nothing the fuck to do with the other with the other. Um, and so, but the good thing is when I moved, it was me. So when I got Daily Show, Chris Red and Sam J both got SNL. So all of us moved at the same time. Wow. So at least it was like, I went out there, I had friends, but then with the SNL schedule, you never see them.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00Like someone gets SNL, you're like, this nigga just disappeared. Gone. Me on the other hand, ha! What y'all doing? Come outside. Because I wasn't a writer on the show. It was not, it's not as strenuous, because none of the correspondents are writers. I don't know who tells comics that the correspondents are writers, but we're not, we're not.
SPEAKER_06Definitely not tells writers.
SPEAKER_00Now So y'all just deliver the jokes. Well, here's the thing for a long for the entire history of the show, that's what happened. But for most of the history of the show, they didn't hire comics. They hired comedic actors. So they weren't expected to write anything. Like Colbert and all of them were comedic actors. Like Desi Correll, Steve Correll, Desi, who's there now. Desi's not a comic. Desi's an amazing performer, but Desi's not a comedian. And so when Trevor came, he wanted comedians. And so the way he changed it was is that we would, the writers would write it, which is how the show had always gone. But then Trevor was like, yeah, but I want you to be in your voice. Because a bunch of dudes or whoever wrote this piece for me. I'm talking about the disparagement of black women's pay. Fuck C know about this. Right?
SPEAKER_06Right. So he knows about it because he's the one not paying y'all. Right. No, I mean the uh white boy writer.
SPEAKER_00So he doesn't know nothing. So it's uh Josh started two months after I did, and that was great because I already was friends with him, and so he knew he already knew my comedy style and knew his comedy style. And so there was really two people that I really worked with the most, and that was him and then Devin Delacointe. Shout out to Devin. Um and so because you have to figure out the person who knows your comedic voice and knows your voice as a person. And so Trevor changed us to where since y'all are comics and you already have a voice as a comedian, it's the writers would write something, we go in a rehearsal, and then after rehearsal, we would go and put it in our voice. And one day I was like, why am I at the end of the process? Because what I'm not because sometimes we would completely rewrite it, and then there's no other rehearsal. Now I'm just live on the show. Right, right. Because we're live to tape. So it's like, can we change the process, son? So he changed the process, and then I chanced us to change the process again because it made more because it was better, because I'm still a trained actor. So I it makes more sense to me for me to be in rehearsal because I have to go to rehearsal. So for me, it's put me at the beginning of the process. Let's have it at my voice, in my voice, the first edit, not the third edit. So by the time we get to rewrite after rehearsal, we're polishing this. We're not writing a whole new script because I have to go on the show. All the other correspondents went home. And this has already been set in the script. We already had legal look at this. I have to be on the show today. So we can't scrap it if it doesn't work. So it makes more sense for me to be at the beginning of the process and not the end. So that's the other thing that changed with me and him being there.
SPEAKER_04Once you're there, you're on the show, it's happening, and you start to understand the magnitude of this show and the entity that it is. Yeah. How does that change uh things industry-wise for you or your perception or how you then move through it after that understanding?
SPEAKER_00Here's the thing: all the industry shit is my manager's job. I don't think about letters on a building. I don't think about who's where. All of that stuff is my manager's job. Only thing I have to worry about is am I doing my job? And my job is to show up on work as close to on time. Here's the other thing that was worried about that job. There wasn't a bunch of white people wondering when I was at all the fucking time. There was what? If I was not on the show, nobody was wondering where I was. Oh. And that shit is weird. Because as a black person who's worked in offices, there's always some white person just wondering where you are. One day I got to work at two. No one wondered where I was. And one of the black girls was like, you know you can't do this. I said, bitch, I just had to see. I just had to see. I just had to see. I just had to see if somebody would wonder where the fuck I was. Let me see if he flex. Let me see if I can just get here after lunch. I just want to know if I can do it. And she was like, bitch, I was like, I hear you. Right. I hear you. But I wasn't on the show. Nobody was like, well, nobody was wondering where the fuck I was. Bitch, I just landed. I just I just got here. Because she looked at me and she's like, Did you just get here? I was like, what do you mean? I've been hot, bitch. I just got there. I didn't do that often.
SPEAKER_06You with the same manager that you were with?
SPEAKER_00I've been with my manager uh last week, makes 11 years.
SPEAKER_06Wow. That's amazing. I I did want to ask this question about the daily show. What was something that you learned about the American people while you were doing the Daily Show? Like you did field pieces. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so what's something that you feel like you learned good or bad about just like the American people?
SPEAKER_00I hate Man on the Street.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because it's you can't get genuine answers from Man on the Street because people are trying to be funny or trying to be. Someone's either trying to argue with you or trying to be funny, or we always have security with us, right? And some girl one time was so ex- with this white girl came running at me full speed. And one of our security guys, it's a battalion cat, just kind of like, and that motherfucker's navy still. He would be one time he was gone, we're like, Where were you at? He's like, What do you mean? We're like, never mind. Uh on them some black water shit. Yeah, yeah. Like these are the same people that protect, like uh, we saw him one time with John Legend. Like it's the same, it's like they wear these pins, it's the same company, right? And so um, she comes running at me full speed on the street, and he kind of steps over and goes, Can I help you? And she's like, Oh my god, I'm just so excited to see her. And I was like, Yeah, girl, you scare the shit out of me though. And he goes, she goes, Oh, I'm sorry. And it's that level of you're not, you you're not seeing me as a person. And I realize when you get on some on some of these shows, it's like that's why people are so I think it changed the way that I think about celebrity because comics think I'm more famous than I am. I don't think I'm famous at all. And it's because you don't get famous the same way that you used to, right? And so That's a fact. It's not I make about five people in the airport very happy. Um Just like, oh, the lady from the people, but this is the people like, where do I know you from? And I'm like, church. Nah, it's not that. But if you have to come and ask me where do I know you from, then why are we then? I don't know what we're doing right now.
SPEAKER_04I saw uh Jamie Foxx got stopped the other day and somebody like, man, she you look like Jamie Foxx. Jamie goes, I wish I had some of that Jamie Foxx money.
SPEAKER_00Or somebody would be like, Oh, you look like the lady from the Daily Show. I am that later for the Daily Show. My favorite thing is we like, especially black people do this, they go, hmm? And I go, hmm, they go, mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_05And then that's the whole that's my favorite one. It's just like the whole exchange.
SPEAKER_00That's that's my favorite one.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But uh I think it's man on the street. Uh one, I learned that those are either great or it's oh, if my eyes could be yanked out. Um, but yeah, I would tell them I hate man on the street, and they're like, but you're so good at it. I said, because I'm good at my job. Good at my job. So you don't know that I am in my head, I am screaming. Because you got me sitting at a table in the summertime in New York all day, asking people questions. And so some people really come up and they want to prove a point, but it's always some young white dude trying to come up and prove a point, and I bust his ass every time. And it'll go, da da da da da, and then I just lay out facts. It's like, well, that's not what I meant. I said, sweetheart, but that's what you said. And then it's just people online being like, That's what he said, that's what he said. And so they'll get stuff back in the edit, like, this is great. And I'm like, y'all don't understand. There was nowhere for me to pee. Like, you like I've been out here all day. I can't drink water because nowhere will let me in. So it's me and security being like, well, buy a bottle of water for her to pee. And he's like, No, I was like, Habibi, please. I've been outside all day. But the other thing that I learned is that some people either very much under, I understand why people, because for me, it was like because I knew the joke writing of it, I didn't realize that that's how people would actually consume their news. They weren't going to any other source but the show. But we have to look at different things to be able to create the pieces on the show. I learned that this is how some people literally only take in their news. So the only way you take in your news is when we're making fun of this news.
SPEAKER_05How did you grow as a comic from being on the show?
SPEAKER_00Uh, I can tell you that Trump is not helping. And we would get all of these interviews uh during his first term where journalists would just assume that it was easier because of all the things that he was doing his first term, that it was helpful for comedy. And I remember we went to interview one time and Costa just snapped. Because it was like the fifth time we'd been asked this weird question. And he was like, This is not good. He said, Every day we're trying to figure out how to do this and make it make sense. This is not good for comedy, this is not good for anybody. But people just assume because this thing is so ridiculous, and it's so crazy that this is funny. But you have to understand so Trevor would tell us like when we have something, it's the easiest way to get to the funny of it is look at the other side. So, like if this is a ridiculous thing is happening, what's the other side of this thing? Or you don't agree with what's going on, I don't agree with this policy, then what then come from the other side, whereas the people talking about it who do agree with it, because that's the most ridiculous part of it, because you know you're coming up with a wild ass law. Right. So as opposed to being like, I don't like this, look at the side of I do like this and look and come from that way. And some people did it and some people didn't. But I think as a comic, what it did for me was help me realize that my voice I'd I'd been more established in my voice than I thought it was. Because my voice over the course of the show didn't change. Because a lot of times it was like, we need somebody to yell at America, go get Dulce. And she's gonna Because there was one thing where it was like, I think it was Bill O'Reilly had fucked up and he was blaming God, not himself for fucking up, but he was like, God did this to me. And Trevor said, Right. No response to the accountability. No, to the point that you blame God for your mess up, right? And so when they're like, okay, we're gonna bring out God. Who's gonna dress up like God? And Trevor went, Dulce. So they get the whole robes and everything, and then there's a long white beard that I said we should put braids in, so we got a hairstylist. We put three braids in it, little gold beads on the bottom. And so we braid my whole afro afro down, and I'm in this long white, uh gray and white wig. And I go and get ready to go into when I'm in uh Trevor's in hair and makeup before rehearsal. And there's a little picture of like our old director, like, and I'm like, it's like, you know, my son, like just blessing our older, it's very cute. But I come at Trevor, uh, we're in rehearsal, we're gonna ready to go in Trevor's in hair and makeup, and he sees me and he goes, What's this? And it's like, oh I'm God. He was like, no, take the wig off. Let me see her afro. So he wanted me to have the afro. Now, mind you, we kept the beard. And it's a big red stash, but it's my afro, and then we made my afro as big as we can get it for the show. Because you were like, fuck, because we had just spent all of this time braiding my hair down, and now me and our hairstylist like, uh, thank God we got a black hairstylist. Like two months after uh I started. Um and so, but his but he was like, but he insisted that we had to see me, and then it's just a beard. And so when I come out, I kind of go, all right, what's that? And so screaming as usual, because I just when we opened, because like it's I come out and they cut to me, and there's this big like screen behind me where it's like the heavens, and I'm like, Yaa! And it's like, all right, baby, what's happening? And then it's just me sitting down at the desk and I'm just God. But I thought it was interesting where he was like, oh no, we don't want her covering. I want to see the after, I want to see her. And so I because it's like I've just been doing what I'm doing. And it's because I'd only been full-time when I booked the show, I'd only been a full-time comic for two years, not even. Wow. So, but I'd been doing stand-ups in 2009. And so it's there were times where just like there's a lot of times where I was not it wasn't good, but that had nothing to do with Trevor. It was just trying to figure out just how does this make sense? You have to remember, we filmed the show during we were the first show to come back during COVID. Most people were down for months.
SPEAKER_05We've been down for three weeks. What was something that you some some like some game or something from sitting down with Trevor that you've been able to take that you feel will advance your knowledge about the industry?
SPEAKER_00I haven't had any industry conversations with Trevor. I had a personal conversation with Trevor.
SPEAKER_05Oh personal, let's go personal.
SPEAKER_00So it's the main thing I learned from working there is that white people in an office will always be white people in an office. And that does not change. And no matter who the boss is, no matter who's running things, white people in an office will always be white people in an office. Per my last email. Per my ass email. And it's uh one of the things I thought was interesting was there were some of the camera guys would still wear John's merch after John was gone. John left before his contract was up and he put Trevor there. He handpicked Trevor. Uh, because we don't realize Trevor was huge international before coming here. Right. And because I think it'd already been like on Dancing with the Stars in South Africa, like he was huge. And so there was a specific reason that John, because it was to open the audience up more for the show. And I'm there and I see, because every year we would get new merch, right? And it would be Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Daily Show with Trevor Noah. And the camera guys would still wear John's merch, a couple of 'em. Now, mind you, they had this fucking shirt for so long, it said the Ailey show would on Uward because you had gotten new fucking jackets because the man's been gone.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And to see that, and I was like, Oh, I see this weird little protest. But if he hadn't to come up He left, he gave it to him, yeah. You wouldn't have a job. And that's why I was like, oh, okay. You can't see that this man is a reason that you still have a job.
SPEAKER_04Did they ever did that ever change because whatever decisions went in the decisions went into making, you know, John choosing him. And then it's like, okay, there's this new guy, and then he delivers. He's like, Trevor's on here killing, and he's having his own moments, he has his own voice, and he has his own identity, and he makes the show his own in a very beautiful way. Did that adjust ever or?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I'm talking to him. But I can say when I first started at the show, but I'm not talking to the guy that's wearing that jacket. Right. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. It's but when I started at the show, because I'd been in uh, I didn't know anybody upstairs. But I knew what the crew was. And so when I first started, I didn't know anybody. Uh so I would eat lunch with the crew. Because if I knew anything, I knew a crew guy. I'd work enough TV and film to know I know a crew guy. And so my first month or two there, I ate with the crew. And one of the guys was like, he said, You're the first correspondent who's ever come down here and eating with us. And I was like, I don't know anybody. And it made more sense to me. Because like I got to laughing and joke with them. We'd be outside smoking cigarettes and shit. Like it's just like this is I know, I know this. I know office, I know this, right? And so for me, but one of the guys was like, it's like, you we've never because you know, other guy, you know, all of the other, you know, they're upstairs eating in their office. And I'm like, man, I don't be upstairs eating my office. What the crew? What y'all doing? Right. What y'all doing with these cameras? Tell me, I don't know, I don't know what's going on with these cameras. And so for me, it was like, what's the thing I'm most comfortable with? The thing I'm familiar with. And the thing I'm familiar with was hanging out with the crew. And so there were some guys I talked to, some guys you didn't, because it was just like, well, why is she down here? Because motherfucker, I just got here. I didn't get any. I just they put I got here on Monday and they put me in a meeting. And so you're learn-you don't get trained, you just learn as you go. And so thank God Roy was there. Cause like Roy. Yeah. So Roy, because Roy got there when Trevor started. He came on with Trevor. And so I've sometimes I think call it like the running of the bulls, where I'm just like, I'm just trying not to get trampled, right? And then Roy, every once in a while, would reach down off a fence, grab me, sit me up, and be like, all right, here you go. And it keeps going. Because one day I was like, Unc, the fuck? And he was like, Alright, what's up? And one of the way people were like, Is Roy Dulce his uncle? And I was like, this nigga's five years older than me, maybe. What are you talking about? So I it was a learning curve because it's the first job I'd ever had where no one trained me. I wasn't given a manual. Nobody was like, okay, now this is how you log into the phone system. And this was this. It was like, here is because I was in this weird place where it's like I'm talent on the show, but I'm also in an office. Yeah. So I had to put it in New York. Right. So I had to put the, you know, okay, well, let me go to this other internet. Now the fucking emails are in my phone. And now I gotta have the, I gotta log into the internet system, and now I gotta do that. And I'm also like, what the fuck do these girls do? Because it looks like all they run is raffles. So it's just the little two girls at the job are like, what do you do? Oh day. She's like, what do you mean? I said, only time I see you is when you're running a raffle. This can't be a salary position. For this raffle bitch, there can't be a raffle bitch. There's no way that this is this is a salary position. Because also, I've never seen, like when people win shit, I never saw the prize. Or somebody won an electric bike. Where the fuck is the bike? Where's the bike? Where's the bike? Fucking, uh, what is it? Uh, Usain Bolt sent us a fucking since Trevor Segway one time, or some Usain shit he had. He's like, What the fuck am I supposed to do with this? We're rattling at him. I end up getting my mama a new cell phone, and then my brother got some, what's that rapper logic or something? Got a whole logic fucking jacket. People just send us shit. And there was a whole giveaway table. I was like, well, let me get the Samsung for my mom. The raffle bitch. Yeah, the raffle bitch. She's like, she's like, you know what I do. And I was like, yeah, girl.
SPEAKER_06Fuck that girl did. I got one last uh daily show. Sorry, I ramble. Question. No, no, no. It was a podcast. Um, it's kind of a two-parter. So we we shared something similar because I saw you left the daily show 2021.
SPEAKER_00No, I left the only show 2024. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, seven years.
SPEAKER_06Wow. So, anyways, the point I'm getting to is what went behind your decision to leave the daily show? Trevor left. Got it. So you was like, I'm out.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00I was always tired of being in New York.
SPEAKER_06Got it. And then once you left the Daily Show, what were your feelings about coming back and not having a consistent job?
SPEAKER_00It was that was scary, but I had established an It was like I was still one, I had to save it. Two, because of the show, it's like, okay, I'm touring. And so touring, and then there's other stuff that you just couple 1500 here, this over here, you're doing this thing here, I'm doing a private game. So it was, I mean, the thing is, it's like I'm still not, but also I was on a cartoon. So I still had to do that. Right. So I still had the cartoon, but the cartoon just got canceled. So, and then uh my manager tricked me into writing a book. So then there was that. So Yeah, and it tricked me off. Oh, he tricked me. Um But that's a good cause like, but he's also motivating. So he he called me one day, was like, uh, you want to write a book? I'm like, nah, that sounds hard. I'm no thank you. And he was like, Well, what if you just took a meeting? I was like, all right, I took a meeting and I took four more meetings and then we sold the book. And I was like, wait a minute. Now I gotta write a book.
SPEAKER_02He's like, Yeah, now I gotta write a book.
SPEAKER_00So this nigga got me, but thank God that he tricked me because then when I moved out here, it was during the fucking strike. Because people don't realize when I was so my hosting week for Daily Show was the week the strike started. The writer's strike.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00So I hosted on Monday, the show aired, and then 30 minutes later, the strike started. Wow. And the strike went from May to September.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_00But I had already bought my house, I'd already moved to my apartment. So when I moved here, it's when the strike started. Oh, great. And so when the strike ended, I wasn't the host when we came back, and we don't know why. And so because I went from being a correspondent to a contributor, and then I was a contributor for about a year and a half.
SPEAKER_05What's the difference? Right, that's my own question.
SPEAKER_00So a contributor is not paid weekly, one. Uh so you know how Jeannie Yashere used to come on the show sometimes? That is a contributor. So you just, or like uh a guest star, you pop in. Yeah. So like um, uh, what's his fucking name? You know the one. Yeah. Thank you. Him. Right, him, him. Um, and he, I don't know what. Thank you so much. I cannot remember the man's name. He's just moving, he's like, but he's been mad and cussing since the 90s. And so every once in a while they're grapped. So he's a contributor. He's on the show consistently, but he you get you get paid when you pop on. And so I was like, this makes the most sense for me for the transition. Also, you need employment when you buy a home. So uh, and then I still had the cartoon. And so it was for me, it was like it was time to do it. My mind is like, year of completion, I saved enough because I was gonna leave earlier than I did, and then I was like, I need more money for a down payment. Yeah, and then I was gonna leave another time, and then Trevor left. And so they asked me to stay on because it was like they hadn't picked, they knew he was leaving for months, and we don't know why they hadn't picked a host. And so they decided to rotate, and so it's like they needed me there. So I actually stayed longer than I intended to stay to start with.
SPEAKER_06They were like black, black, Asian, gay.
SPEAKER_00What we didn't have, but we didn't have Asian, we didn't have gay. That's oh really? That's one person. So we didn't have we didn't have Troy, we didn't have Grace. Oh, okay. We didn't have, so it was Josh was still a writer when Trevor left. And so all of us, so no one who got, so all of us had to become guest hosts because there was no because they didn't pick a new host yet.
SPEAKER_06And I heard, is it true they they offered it to Chris Rock, but he didn't like, I think I don't know. Okay, I I heard I think I heard Chris Rock say like they offered him or something, but he wanted to do it like once a week or some shit like that, or whatever.
SPEAKER_00Oh, he went here to a so he wanted to stop it from being a daily.
SPEAKER_06You wanted to call it a weekly show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so you might need to give me a weekly show. Because we already have last week tonight with John Albert.
SPEAKER_06Come on, man.
SPEAKER_00But I don't people ask about here's the thing. When you work on a show, you don't know anything. Tom Bell said Tom Bell's my big brother. My big brother, his parents live a mile from my mom's house in Atlanta. And he said he was working on a TV show and he had gone to like payroll or something to do to process some shit, probably like a direct deposit. And he saw the crew facts and resumes. And he's like, We're facts and still? The fuck? And so he was like, What's going on? He's like, and the crew was like, and the guy was like, Oh, we're getting canceled. He's like, What? He's like, We're getting canceled. And so he called his manager and was like, hey, the crew was facts and resumes, people were getting canceled. They didn't find out, the cast didn't find out, the talent didn't find out they were getting canceled until like almost a month later. Wow. But the crew already knew. Wow. So if anybody got offered, maybe I need to ask that cameraman. Because I don't know anything. I know I wasn't asked, but I also told them I didn't want to do it.
SPEAKER_04Oh, there's so much. Okay, so uh before we we're leaving the daily show, but uh congratulations on the Emmy. I mean Thank you. Thank you guys.
SPEAKER_00That is uh Max Burgos, my uh agent. So here's an y'all hop to that's very interesting about the Emmys. So I so first of all, I have two NAACP awards, right? For Daily Show. And so the difference between NAACP and the Emmys is because NAACP is like, you on a show, we see you on the camera, you on a show, right? The Emmys, on the other hand, because we are not on the show every day, and because we are not playing characters, we are considered guest stars. So when the show won an Emmy, so when the Daily Show with Trevor Noah won an Emmy in 2021, none of the correspondence won an Emmy because we're not listed on the nomination because we are technically guest stars on the show. Oh wow. So when so now when they start doing the guest hosts, my agent was like, they're hosting the show. They should be listed. Because me and Max, me and uh Ronnie have the same agent. And Ronnie Chang. Mm-hmm. Shout out to Ronnie Chang. Uh and so Max was like, if they're hosting, they should be listed as hosts on the nomination. So I have an Emmy for hosting the daily channel. Yeah, right, you do. So that's even better, right? So it's that's how you get an Emmy, but then you're in a meeting with your agents two months later going, what do we do with this Emmy? What do you do with an Emmy? What do we do? We have we have this thing. How does this help us? And that's the next step because it's like we have this Emmy, but then what do we what you do with it?
SPEAKER_05Did you feel any change after the Emmy from whether that was opportunities or from um from from people?
unknownHmm. No.
SPEAKER_00That's the thing. That's what you have that's what you have to calculate. It's like I'm in a meeting with all my reps, and we're just like, we're trying to figure out. But you have to understand this was during COVID still. Oh wow. And this was the beginning of everything in the industry changing. This is the beginning of us basically losing pilot season.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_00This is all of the strength.
SPEAKER_06It still ain't really back.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's never coming back. Yeah. And it's never coming back because here's the thing you have to re-that people do not realize about the significance of all of this shit changing. So if you look at NBC, this is one, because our major networks are what? NBC, ABC, CBC, CBS. So you're your big three, right? So if you just look at primetime television, so for decades, decades, up until about what four years ago, every major network had to program Sunday night through Friday night. Saturdays were always there. But Sunday to Friday, you had to program six nights, and your programming for prime time is four shows. That's 24 shows over three networks, right? So that's almost so 70-something shows. And so you have so to program for 70 shows, you would do 300 pilots. 400 pilots. And so you do all of these so you can fill up all of this program. Right. We don't have a hundred slots to fill anymore. Because no one's programming for six nights of shows.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00So you'd have your Thursday, so this one's an hour long, well, that one's an hour long. We got this. Okay, so we have a little bit less programming, but you spent the space.
SPEAKER_04We got two hours here, we got to do that.
SPEAKER_00Because people don't realize what really killed all of this shit is the back, there's the fact that on a streamer you can skip ads. Praise God. That's what it is. That's what it is. Because all TV was, you know why we called soap operas, soap operas? Because motherfuckers were selling soap in between TV shows.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's TV originally, the thing that kept TV going was ads. Oh, yeah. That's what commercials, all every ad between, that's why when your ratings went down, shows got canceled because ratings went down. But the reason the show got canceled is because the money pulled out because the ratings were going down because people weren't watching commercials. Right. So the people's ability, if they would have never let us skip ads, we would be, we could still, we could change the format of it, but we would still have the money involved. Because we created a whole machine. I mean, that's a deep dive on the daily show.
SPEAKER_06My homeboy, I I was, I remember when Hasan booked it, like we was at an open mic when he told me. He was like, man, I just booked the Daily Show. I was like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_02I was like, they need you, brother.
SPEAKER_06They need you. Because it wasn't like no meal, there wasn't like no like Eastern, uh, you know, like Middle Eastern, nobody, Indian, nobody on the show at the time. I was like, they need your voice, brother.
SPEAKER_04We gotta talk. I have had this conversation over and over again, and boy. Two well, i I can fold two questions into one. One, you have made amazing waves throughout your journey and throughout this career through more traditional means, aka you're not a social media star, you're not some da-da-da-da. You've booked stuff, you've gone on auditions, you've uh as I transition to the other part of this question, I I mean other part of this conversation is I've consistently told every comedian that I know, man, competitions and festivals are paramount to your fast forward, and if you think you like that, I say they they really can help and move the needle when people see you that way when they're watching. Can you please speak about how important festivals and competitions have been for you and you know, also moving through the business in a more in in the more of the what is the what is the traditional format or the original format?
SPEAKER_00When we started, so when I started in 2017 at the show, we were being told not to put our stand up online because when you'd be burning material and clubs and everybody thought that if you put it online, people wouldn't couldn't come to a club to see you. Now you have to put this shit online. Now I have to pay somebody to fucking cut clips for me because now you have to audition and you have to convince people to come see you, right? So when I started doing festivals, and so I've had this conversation with people, and a lot of I So I got so I did a festival uh 2015, because like 2015 is when everything changed. And so uh shout out to the Daniel Fest. But I I do this festival and my manager's one of the judges, my manager signs me that weekend. Then one of the guys from uh Stand Up for Diversity, who I done it two years, two, three years before in Atlanta and gotten the callback round but didn't go any further, he's one of the judges, and so after my first round, which I got like third place, he goes, uh, you're in the callback round for Standard for Diversity. Don't even come to the the cattle call audition, you're in the callback round. And then I'd met some other industry people, and so by the end of the festival, uh oh, and then the guy from JFL was there. And so that's how I got JFL.
SPEAKER_04So I didn't know as JFL and Standard for Diversity industry. And my manager. And the manager of the same year.
SPEAKER_00At the same festival, at the same week. So I get so yeah, so when people talk about like, uh, so I did not know how because the thing is, Atlanta didn't have JFL auditions. I didn't know what it was. So when I booked it, I was like, oh, okay, cool. I did not know that, uh, because whenever the new faces come out, I always call it National Comic Hating on Comic Day. That's hilarious. Because it that was the so that was the first year Atlanta had ever had a JFL audition. And so I remember in my first show, I switched with another comic. So I was supposed to there was like two shows on a Wednesday, right? For this, because it's a competition festival. And this one comic was asking everybody, hey, can you switch with me to the second show? I got a JFL audition. Can you switch me? And so I was like, Yeah, sure, I don't care. He said, You're the he's like, I probably have asked 10, 12 people, and you're the first person to tell me yes. I'm like, yeah, I don't give a shit. Here, go. One, I didn't know what he was auditioning for. Right. Two, why does it matter which show I go on? I was a local comic in Atlanta, and all these New York and LA comics were coming to do this festival. I didn't know who any of the judges were, because people are like, oh, this judge is from here. I don't give a fuck. I'm not looking up who the judges are. How does that have anything to do with me? Right. So I just did my shit. He wanted to switch shows, we switched shows. And what was so crazy is that uh one, he didn't get new faces. Um, because I switched with him for him to be able to do it, and then I ended up getting it. And I didn't think about that until the other day. I was like, fuck. I switched with him for him to audition. He even booked the shit, and he's technically never gotten it. So um Is he still working? Like you're gonna be. He's still working, but it's uh so you have that festival. I got because we had to do like three sets during the festival.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So when you do a JFL audition and a callback or whatever, you end up doing like two or three sets anyway. So I got JFL from that festival, I got my manager from that festival, and they go to the callback round from standard for diversity. Then when so when the standard for diversity shows up, I do that competition and I end up winning that. So then I get a holding deal with NBC, and then that's how I end up being here. And then because of doing Bridgetown, Bridgetown was amazing, but a bunch of the different festivals that I did. You won Big Sky. I won Big Sky. So then the following year, I won Big Sky. And so I'm running this set and running this set, and one of the guys goes, Because by the time I get to like the end of the week at Big Sky, a bunch of the judges, mind you, I knew all of the judges at Big Sky, but all the judges knew me. Right? And so one of the judges goes, uh, you are doing very well, and you can win this festival, but you have to make sure that you win this festival. Because we can see that you can do this, we can see that you can win this, but you have to make you prove us right, is what he said. And it was funny because that same guy when I was doing uh the other festival, he goes to me, uh he comes up to me and goes, What are you doing for your set? And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna do this. He's like, I was like, I'm gonna just combine, you know, my tightest jokes from those other two sets. He's like, perfect, run it. Right? And another comic comes up to me, and this is one of the judges, and the comic comes to me and goes, What did he say? And I went, Oh, he asked me what I was gonna do, and I told him I was gonna do the, you know, the my tightest jokes from both sets, and he was like, and I was like, Yeah, I told him I was gonna, he's like, that's bad. He's like, okay, great. And then he looked at me and goes, That's what he said. I was like, Yeah. He's like, I can't believe you told me what he said. I was like, What do you mean? He's like, he came over and asked you, he said, I know plenty of comics that wouldn't have told me what he said. I said, Why wouldn't I have told you what you said? And one of the main reasons that I told him what he said is because this man, this same comic was the one that there was this opener that I, this opening joke that I used to do, and I wasn't gonna do it. And he was like, You have to do that joke. Because that joke ended up being on my Conan's head. And so it was a joke where because I just started wearing like these kind of like lacy see-through shirts, and I wasn't gonna do the joke in the festival, and every and he was like, That's your favorite joke. That's your that's you, he's like, That's our favorite joke that you do. When it's just like I just come out and go, I know why you're wondering why you can see a big bitch's bra. It's because the bra was a hundred dollars. So if I pay a hundred dollars something for something, you're gonna see it. Now the rest of my outfit, $17.88.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. The panties came in a pack of six, but this bra on the other hand is expensive. Right.
SPEAKER_00So the best paper is the pinwork of the jokes, and you look at my conan said I opened with that bit. And so, because he's the one that told me, because that's the joke I ended up using for Conan, so it's just like also it's like this is my friend, one. Two, I don't find the need to stop other comics from having information because it doesn't benefit me to not. Tell somebody else something that the judge popped over. So but like, so when I did Big Sky, same thing. It's like you make sure that you do what you do, and then it's like you can be first place, but you make sure you do what you need to do to be first place. And then I end up winning first place. And so because of Big Sky, and because of no, no, no, no, because of JFL, so getting new faces, and then doing Bridgetown is how I got Conan. Because the booker for Conan saw me at those two shows. And so somebody had given him my numbers. He's calling me, he's like, hey, it's JP. I don't know who the fuck I'm right. I'm I'm driving to Georgia, probably going to some stupid man's house. And he's like, oh, hey, it's great meeting you. And I'm like, I do not remember who this man is. But he's like, hey, we'd love to have you come out. I was like, okay, great. Because they had me come out for a, it was basically like TBS holiday party. He's at flappers. And so they fly me out to do this. I don't know. This is basically a low-key audition to do Conan. Right. And so I fly out and he goes, hey, and you should just come by the studio. I'm like, oh, that's nice. So I go by Conan, all this other shit. I was like, this is so nice of this man to impact me out here like this. No fucking, just nothing. Just not oblivious. And so Conan walks in. He is this, he is Tyler Perry tall. Yeah. 6,000. Like I this man walked in and I was like, nice to meet you. Like him, and then I met Tyler Perry, same thing, right? And so I'm sitting there at JP's office and I see this whole calendar on his wall. And, you know, I sit in the audience, I watch the taping, all of that, and he goes, Okay, well, we're gonna get you a date to perform. I said, Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_01In my head, I'm like, what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_00I have no clue this is why I'm here. Right. But there's a lot of times because because I'm never paying it, I'm not gonna say I don't pay attention, I'm not paying attention to shit that has nothing to do with me.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00And so who the judges are on a festival has nothing to fucking do with me until it has something to do with me. Because I remember seeing other comics stress like, well, you know, Dan Pasternack's here, and da-da-da. And Liz Wysted, and she created a daily show, and this person from NBC is here, and it's gonna, and I was like, oh, okay. You know, there's a manager from Liberty here. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_00Give a fuck. Until they talk to me, this has nothing. My only job is to get on stage and to do my job. Worrying about all of the because one of my friends, she flipped out. She's like, I didn't this happen, and da da da da da da da. And I didn't get to, and you know, and Liz wasn't there when I was doing my set, and I was like, ah Right.
SPEAKER_04What do I do with all this? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What do I do with this information? Because it's like, who's sitting there? If you're watching me, you're watching me. So the reason my manager signed me is because the uh I think it was Robbie Slurk. I cannot remember his last name, but there was another comic who went up before me. Mind you, we're an at the end of improv when they had an improv. He's not a bitch. Uh something that he's not a bitch. Casey Ballsham's husband. I know that much. Uh Robbie, I can't remember his last name because it's Casey Ballsham's husband. Uh, like I said, do you have a hug? Why would I? Right.
SPEAKER_06You're blindsided to this. Right.
SPEAKER_00Casey Ballsham's husband. Robbie something.
SPEAKER_06He has spatial blindness to married men.
SPEAKER_00Listen, married man, if you got if you and your girl hug to- Ah, I can't see this nigga. So, uh, he does this bit before me. Mind you, we're in Atlanta. There's 300 people in the room, and he does this bit uh basically like just uh shitting on fat people, saying, like, oh, they got all this, you know, they say these things. And so, mind you, I have this leopard print brawn, and I got a shirt that goes like this. So I'm wrapped up, right? And all of the Atlanta comics are in the doorway because I'm next. And so, because I won the wild card show. And so I'm trying to basically get into I'm in the finals now, right? And so he starts talking shit, and so I'm going through my set, but then I hear him talking shit. And I was like, and I'm looking at people in the room get uncomfortable. Because I'm looking at the people in the room that know you. No, no, no. In general, it's in general, the audience. Okay. Because the room is sold out. 300 people in here.
SPEAKER_04It's Atlanta. It's yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00It's the South. So there's gonna be bigger people in the room.
SPEAKER_04For sure.
SPEAKER_00And so he's shitting on, and I'm sitting up going, okay, now I don't know if I'm getting into the finals, but this motherfucker's not placing at all. Because you're reading the room right now. I'm reading the fucking room. So you and my so you're some Yankee motherfucker talking shit in my city, making all these fat white people uncomfortable. So because there was this one lady, I know she was in a lame Brian shirt, and she was just getting like flustered and what Right, because she was like, and you felt the whole room go, uh and the comics in the back were like, and because he felt it on stage, he was like, eh, but this was his closer.
SPEAKER_06I'm gonna kill him there. I'ma kill him with this one.
SPEAKER_00So he was like, I'm gonna kill him with this one, and it was dying, right? And I look over and I feel, I promise you, a hundred Atlanta fucking comics. Because I just did done the wildcard show, got first place on the wildcard show, Atlanta comics in the hallway. Da! Because it was only me and one Atlanta comic, like basically in these five. Because at this point, this is an Atlanta comedy festival. No comic from Atlanta had ever won the festival. And they'd be doing the festival since like 2009, 2010. So I'm standing there, he's talking shit, and I feel every Atlanta fucking comic looking at me like, bitch.
SPEAKER_04Sitting over there with them with just gold T L. Right.
SPEAKER_00You but just say just a bunch of fucking, because this, you know, and this is a mainstream room, it's a mainstream festival. So I'm seeing all my friends going, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? And so I'm like, all right. I'm coming to my city talking shit. Making these folks uncomfortable. You Yankee bastard. All right, so I'm now I'm listening to his set. I was focused on my set. Now I'm listening to his set. Because what am I gonna say? Right. That's gonna knock this motherfucker out because you're not coming down here. And you know, somebody else will say something. So it's like you've been on shows where somebody says something, you riff off of something they said. Absolutely. Right, but now I'm like, this motherfucker, what do you say? And so now I'm sitting there listening. One of my friends was like, she's one of my friends was like, I saw you listening to see what the fuck, because what was in my head, I was like, What? All right, sir. So I'm sitting on the side again. Titties is out, but I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap, so you can't see me. And so I'm like, okay, okay. And he's like, Yeah, they got this, and then they got these uh these sayings that they say, and he goes, Yeah, and then more cushion for the push. And I was like, that's it. That's it. So he gets off, he's like, ugh, and then the host goes up and he tries to say, but there's not enough time because there's like eight of us in the finals. And so there's a table of black uncles sitting right here. And so I take my wrap off and they're like, Well, wait a minute. So they're tennis in the room, and then pull them in finally. They're like, yeah, ten it! And they was out, too. That brought was expensive as fuck. And so I go up and sock was in the front?
SPEAKER_06Teddy.
SPEAKER_00Fortunately, he didn't, again, his flight was late. He was late. Not this time. Couldn't handle it, he was too bigly pacing across an arena stage. And so I get on stage, and because like the host tries to reset it, there's not enough time. So he kind of goes, look. And I get on stage, and I just and all I say was, I got your cushion, motherfucker. And the whole room lights, the whole room lights up. All of the judges stand up. Everybody's and then I had to go, all right, I'm saying I only got six minutes. Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. And I have to make everybody quiet and sit down.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then I had to do my set.
SPEAKER_05But you had to address it.
SPEAKER_00But I had to address it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so the comics are like, the judges stood up because the whole room was uncomfortable. So that one little lady I saw get on, she was like, Yo! So I'm getting an applause break before the set at the very top. And then I go into my set. And there was an after party afterwards. And so my manager, who had kind of seen like throughout the week, been like, because I met him the first night of the festival. And he's like, oh, hey, I'm Reggie. I'm like, oh, hey, nice to meet you. And so I see him at a party later on that week, and he's just like, oh, if you want to like just he's like, oh, you know, I'm a manager. If you ever want to just talk or whatever, he's like, he's he's like, I'm not looking to manage anywhere. He's like, I was like, okay, sure. Gives me his card, okay, whatever, I don't care.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_00And so, because people just give you cards. And so people, yeah, people just give you cards. And so, but afterwards, at the after party, he goes, I want to manage you. Can you meet with me at 9 a.m. tomorrow? And I was like, I know I'm not going to bed till four. Yes. Yes. And so I, so from that festival and that and so for me being myself and reacting to us, I was like, oh, I'm in my head, I'm in my head. I know he ain't coming to my city soccer shit. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he and I ended up getting second place in that festival, and he did not place at all. So I met my goal.
SPEAKER_06You got a Hulu special that you just, right? That you just filmed. That you just filmed. What went into the preparation for that? And yeah, just had it. This is your first special, right? No. I did not do my research. No. So, I mean, it's okay. I don't know if you're your first Hulu special. It's my first Hulu special.
SPEAKER_05There you go.
SPEAKER_00So it's my first Hulu half hour, but at a comedy central half hour in 2019.
SPEAKER_06Oh. So what is what okay then? Then what's something you learned from that special, the Comedy Central one, that you use going into this Hulu special? Trust my instincts.
SPEAKER_00Because I like I cut out something that I did that I was like, ah, because I didn't want to go over time. But then but since I cut it, I ended up going like a little under time and I had to come back out and do another joke. But I was like, if I'd have just done the joke, like I wanted to do the joke, then I wouldn't have been a little short. But the crazy thing about the Comedy Central half hours was that we were down in New Orleans and we were doing like nights of shooting, and the people in the audience were heckling comics during their special taping. One of the comics she never recovered from the shit, right? And so for me, this lady starts nice heckling. You better go, girl. Some shit like that. That's what I that's funny. Girl, that's funny. And so my um in my head at the very beginning of it. Now I read because also I had been very, I was so sick. I was on the medication I was taking, I had to take two pills every five hours. I had a uh an alarm on my phone. So I was getting over being sick. I was sick the entire month of January to the point that I'd lost 20 pounds in six days. Because I had strep, staph, tonsillitis, uvulitis, and thrush all at the same time.
SPEAKER_06You was kissing in the mouth. Right.
SPEAKER_00I was road. I was on the fucking road heavy. Oh, okay. And it was New York and it's nasty. Yeah. So, and what was crazy is that Trevor had just had surgery on his vocal cords. God damn. So I couldn't come to work. Because if I sneeze, this nigga dies. So I gotta get the fuck up out of here, right? Right. Because I was so sick that I gotten sick, gotten better, and then had to go back because like all my whole throat, like tonsils and shit swole up. And so couldn't drink water. And so I gotten so fucking sick. And so I'm still on medication while I'm doing this hour, so I couldn't run it as much as I needed to because I was in my bed losing my life, literally. And so this lady's heckling, so I'm on all this fucking medication. I'm in New Orleans, can't drink because I'm on all of this shit. And this lady starts yelling, girl, you find it, da da da da da da da da da. And but I was so in my head because I I was like, I didn't run it enough. I didn't run it enough. Because I'm a theater kid, so I have to have the words in my body, and the words weren't in my body the way I wanted them to be. Like when I did my like when I did my conan sit and all this other shit. And so they cut it out, but also no one made her be quiet. They just put a camera in her face. So, mind you, I was the last, I was the second to last person to tape on the last night. Y'all been taping for four nights. This keeps being a problem. And y'all still ain't kicking nobody the fuck out. So I'm on stage taping a special, and I come over and go, hey girl, she's like, hey, I said, listen, I'm taping a special. Um and everybody, everybody, I said, so if you could, um, she's like, oh, I'm sorry. I said, yeah. I said, so I could like listen, there's one more. I said, but like, we all want to go drink, right? I said, we in New Orleans, we want to go drink. They're like, yeah. I said, so if you could chill for the next 27 minutes.
SPEAKER_05Alright, keep it a buck with her, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I will be done. And then we can have a conversation. She's like, okay, cool. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then I went into my set. But because she started yelling, because in Atlanta when I was on, I'd always check a heckler, whatever way I want to do it. So because she started yelling, it knocked me out of my nervousness. And I was like, oh, bitch, you are you what are you doing? You do this, yeah. You do this, you do this. And so I go over, you know, it's like, come on, girl, you know I'm working. She's like, Oh, yeah, you're right. I saw her. Like, bye girl. And then I go over, I was like, so anyway, and then I went back into my set. And somebody was like, Oh, I know. I was like, Oh, you must have hated that. I said, actually, I'm very thankful to that lady. Because she made me, it knocked me out of my head. I'm like, oh, have fun.
SPEAKER_04So going into this new one, you felt uh to trust those instinct going in.
SPEAKER_00Well, because for this one, it was I had also run it so much, because I was on the road, because I wasn't so as I was on the road a lot. And so I was running it so much, because this one originally was it's just gonna be like family stuff, and then I have a whole like I was doing this bit about like this whole thing about me getting my eggs frozen and that whole process. And so it was gonna be family shit, because my family, because my mom and my brother moved from Atlanta, and then then this dog and all this other shit. So the first half of the so I was working on an hour for us to sell an hour, and I'm working on that, and then there's egg freezing shit. But after running it on the road, and just working on this, I ended up with like, okay, I've got 45 on the family shit, and 45 something on the egg freezing shit. So I now literally have like almost two hours. Right, right. And so because I was on the road so much running this, I was able to come up with so then I was like, okay, so I had already had the half hour. And so now because I'd run it so much and I'd run it in so many places and in so many ways, I was able to get it down and just get it as tight as I wanted to get it.
SPEAKER_04Uh uh little bird talk before we get into the games. Um I believe that there's about seven to eight ways to get real money in the business, to get some some sustainable income. And you're one of the few people that we've had in that seat that you you've covered a few of them, but one of them uh I don't know if we've ever touched on. Talk to me about You was on the cartoon for five seasons? Yeah, we got five seasons. Uh uh. Uh Great Northern. The Great North. Great North. The uh how is the voiceover money in comparison to everything else? You don't have to tell me exactly numbers. You can if you want to. But like just in comparison to all but between touring and daily show, just how comparative was it for everything else?
SPEAKER_00Uh it's less money than Daily Show, but it's more money than touring, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because it's there's because daily show the correspondents don't get residuals. So they never have. The writers do. Um we're not writers on the show. Um and so because when I got there, my manager was like, What? And they're like, Yeah, for the 20 years the show has been on, it's never happened. And we were like, Okay, all right, well, we're not fighting that. So, yep, she got a job. And so, um, but the cartoon residuals is how I have insurance. Um, so I get the cartoon, and we're shooting the first season, we're recording the first season of it, and COVID starts. And so animation got really was very needed during COVID because you could do it from home. So half of the first season, all of the second season, all of the third season, half of the fourth season was all recorded from home. Uh and then all of the fifth season was recorded. I was living here by that point, and so I would just go up the road to record it. Um, I don't know if we've ever all been at the same place in the same time. Because like I don't think I've ever I think I met Nick Offerman once, um, and I don't even knew a Parna. Uh and Paul Russ, because we would do table reads. Um, like if you live here, you can go to a table read. And they would have us come to the table reads, but Nick was never at, but because like Jenny lives in Massachusetts or Vermont, one of New England states. So Jenny was never at a table read. Uh Nick Offman, I don't know, I think he lives in LA. We might live in. Honestly, nigga could live in Montana. Like he lived in the woods or something. Some shit. This nigga is Sasquatch. Um, but yeah, so it was a great experience. Um, but I got that audition because Julie Ashton, shout out to Julie Ashton. Shout out to Julie Ashton. Julie Ashton saw me at my Stand Up for Diversity showcase. And so uh she called my manager the next day and was like, I want her to come audition for me. And then I booked something that was for Comedy Central, but I couldn't do it because when I got Stand Up for Diversity, if you've ever done it, you know they announced the winners in January. Yeah. They I found out I won the next day. And then they announced the winner the week after. And so all these comics who had done it before was like, man, you're supposed to have an awkward Christmas. Everybody was supposed to be wondering. And I was like, no, they announced it the next week. Um, so Julie Ashton called me and was like, I want you to come do this audition for me. I book it up, but I can't do it because I just got a holding deal with MBC.
SPEAKER_02Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00And so Julie, so she's Julie told me they'd gone through all of the people that they auditioned to do the voice of Honeybee. And she goes, Dulce. I've always liked her. And she was from the first, year, this is like when auditioned with Great North? Probably 2019.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00So she'd only seen me like three, but she's like, I wonder what Dulce is. So let's see if we have her. So Julie Ashton, who is a casting director for the cartoon, uh, called my manager and was like, I want her to audition for this. And I just read it into my phone when I was laying in the bed. Uh, and that's how I got it.
SPEAKER_06And you're not sure. Yeah, she I think she casted Lil Kev too. Probably she does a lot of animation. Yeah, you can tell she she genuinely You can tell she genuinely messed with black people. She also genuinely loves her job. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And she wants to see people, she's one of those people that's just like, I love my job and I want the best person for this to do this. But yeah, so she, but she booked me because she'd always been a fan of mine. And so, but she asked me to audition because she'd always been a fan of mine. Because my reps didn't get this audition. Julie called my manager and was like, I think she should try, I think she should reach for this, she should do it.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to Julie, man. She's good people. All right, we got a game on this show. We switching it up. Okay. Like switch it up.
SPEAKER_00We're doing Mary Screw Kill. Okay, you know something me and the um a bunch of the girl comics in Atlanta used to do? We used to this thing called Mary Fuck Quit Comedy.
SPEAKER_06That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_00Quit comedy for? What? Quit comedy or get away to get away from. No, no, no. Your career ends. So because we were doing this, one of our friends was like, because we're doing Mary fuck kill with comics. We're doing Maryfuck Kill with comics, and then uh it's comic Mike Kaiser, who doesn't do stand-up. He doesn't do stand-up anymore. He's so fucking funny. The people who you want to quit never quit. No, no, of course. But the people who you want to keep working somehow find love and go away. But it's um, he was like, Oh, Maryfuck Kill seems kind of harsh. We should do Maryfuck Quick Comedy, and it was like, Yeah! So yeah, Maryfuck Quick Comedy is one of my favorite games. That's a bunch of comics together.
SPEAKER_06That's hilarious. So you said Mary What? This is Maryfuck Kill.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_06I would say quick comedy, but then that would eliminate my third person. Okay. Oh no, well, then that could still do the third person, right? Mm-hmm.
unknownRight?
SPEAKER_06The third person still works. Three comics? It's three comics. Then yeah, it works. Okay. It got saucier, didn't it? Jon Stewart. Okay. Josh Johnson. Okay. Trevor Noah. Oh, wow. Okay. I love it. One. Uh-oh. Here we go.
SPEAKER_00In my mind, Josh doesn't pee. You see what I'm saying? Like in my mind.
SPEAKER_04Just a gray sweater and and nothing, nothing to do with it.
SPEAKER_00He is such a little brother to me. Right. Also, y'all know I'm the first person to braid his hair, right? Oh, wow. Yes. Like his Afro was stressing me out. And I was like, you're coming to my house. Yeah. And I'm going to deep condition your hair. And then I'm going to twist it up. And then he kept it.
SPEAKER_06You class act him. Remember Kingdom? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. I love that guy. So uh why he's not telling a story, I don't know, but I will umbraed his hair. Um, know about me. Uh so in my mind, because Josh is such a little brother, my friend was like, oh, you mind he's built like a Ken doll? No, he's built like a Barbie. There is nothing. My mind can't pee. There's nothing there. Um, so go ahead and say it. No, no, no, no, no, go try it because you have to think, because it's just like, I, who would I have the most fun with? But the thing is, I don't know John. I've met the man once or twice. Maybe. So, because he wasn't there when I was there. So I've met him once or twice. I don't know him. Um, so I know. That was a good one. I don't want to sleep with Trevor. I can't sleep with Josh because in my mind he doesn't own those things. And then I don't know Jon Stewart.
SPEAKER_02Uh this is great.
SPEAKER_00Hmm. I would I would marry Trevor because he's rich as shit. Yeah, come on. Uh I would quote unquote screw Josh because that's not gonna happen. He doesn't own those parts.
SPEAKER_06You can just sit on his face. Again. He doesn't have a face.
SPEAKER_00He don't got a face in the box. Um. Just squish his little head. Murder this man. Him and his hoodie. Alright. Can't with this. I'm like, you can't be this cold all the time. You need the iron tapping. Hoodies are weird. I don't know why niggas be wearing hoodies. What is happening right now? I don't know. Keep telling you. Aren't you currently wearing a hoodie? Okay.
SPEAKER_04Let me tell you. Definitely 82 degrees outside.
SPEAKER_00An LA nigga's dedication to a hoodie is crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But isn't that weird because it'd be cold. It was technically just. It was 63 when we pulled up. It's going up. But it's going to be 80 when we're lower.
SPEAKER_00It's just Georgia. Yeah. So you should know better. Atlanta. Listen, you know you got to wear winter with under with summer underneath. Oh, I do. I'm ready. I got the white T underneath. I got the floor to Atlanta to give it a TBT.
SPEAKER_04Oh man, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00So you just underloose?
SPEAKER_04I got a beater. Oh, yeah. See, you tripping.
SPEAKER_06See? I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00No, I had to find out that when you go to the store, that's not what the package says. I had to find out, like, I wanted to go get some. So TikTok.
SPEAKER_06Tank Top? Well, we don't say wife beater anymore. That's politically. That's why I just said beater. Oh. The beater. Oh, gosh.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's like a lady in the costume department.
SPEAKER_04TikTok always feels like the, it felt like a jersey to me. It feels like the band is this thick. I'm talking literally striped. It is a narrow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's a narrow. And so Jon Stewart is Oh, quick comedy. Quick comedy.
SPEAKER_00Sometimes you just get to, because here's the hardest part. When you do marryfuck quick comedy, right? Sometimes you set your friends up. So it's just like, because my favorite is three people you want to quit, right? It's either three people you want to quit or three people you or it's the hardest ones are three people you want to quit or three comics you really, really love. And so you're sitting there going, like, oh, I don't want him to quit. Yeah. But I don't want to fuck him. What do we do with this? Okay, what's the other one?
SPEAKER_04I love it. So uh the other game is uh keep three, kill five.
SPEAKER_00What is happening with you niggas? Y'all like why y'all got me assassinating folks? He's killing her. Okay.
SPEAKER_04Well, this was this one's a little different. This is, I'm gonna name you Atlanta Trademarks. Okay. I'm not gonna give you everything.
SPEAKER_00Trademarks?
SPEAKER_04Like businesses? No, not specifically. Just landmarks. Staples. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_04Atlanta Staples. Public schools. And as uh, yeah, being fuckbooks. So as I as I uh not yours. The uh as I'm as I go through them, I'm not gonna you you keep it or kill it. Okay. But you don't know what's coming next. Sure. All right. Number one lemon pepper wings. Keep them. Remember, you can only keep three.
SPEAKER_06All right, holler earlier.
SPEAKER_04The movie ATL. Kill it. All right. Usher.
unknownKeep them.
SPEAKER_04Okay, you got one more left.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_04All right.
SPEAKER_00Of what?
SPEAKER_04So you you keep in three. Yeah. And you killing five.
SPEAKER_00Keeping three.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What did I keep so far? You keep wings and usher.
SPEAKER_06Kill Usher. All right. You can keep them wings. Them living pepper wings.
SPEAKER_00I've never needed Usher. But I always need American Deli.
SPEAKER_04There it is. Uh this is a trio, but it's all in the same wing. Hawks Brace Falcon, so Atlanta Sports. I don't care, kill them. Alright, cool. Uh Crime Up. Keep them.
SPEAKER_00We had a very serious conversation. That's not it. We had a very serious conversation one day at work. And this is when I started questioning things. So we were saying, if there was a new Negro spiritual, what would it be? And we obviously said, knuck if you buck. Obviously. And uh Josh Johnson said that it should be the song Georgia, but it's the remix with Ludacris.
SPEAKER_04Oh, and Jamie Fox. Oh, I understand.
SPEAKER_00And I was like, no. I said, also, because it's not even it's the Ray Charles version, it's just Jamie Foxx being Ray Charles. What are we talking about? I said, also.
SPEAKER_04And Phil Mob, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No one's looking for this fucking thing. Oh, yeah. Nobody cares. Nobody fucking. But knuck if you buck, on the other hand?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that was good.
SPEAKER_00There's a feeling. Come in the club. Take it out. You see them? There was a British girl at work, and she was like, absolutely, and she's not even from here. Yeah, yeah, nook if you buck. British black girl, she was like, oh yeah. She's like, of course, of course. And like, this bitch ain't even from here, dog. If she gets it, why don't you get it?
SPEAKER_04You get it. I love it. All right, uh, Zukram is stands here. You get one more. Okay. Uh strip clubs. Kill them. Okay. Sweet tea. Kill it. All right. There it is. Uh, so you kept Limited Pepper Wings. You got rid of the movie Atlanta. You got rid of Usher.
SPEAKER_00Wait, so I have one more keep?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so it's whatever's left.
SPEAKER_00You have another thing asking me?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but you just stuck. You're keeping this one no matter what.
SPEAKER_00Wait, I don't understand. But you only have two choices.
SPEAKER_04No, it's only one choice left. So you gotta keep it, because you had to keep three.
SPEAKER_06So he just ain't said it yet. He ain't said the whatever. Oh, okay. I didn't understand all the numbers.
SPEAKER_04So you kept Lemon Pepper Wings, you got rid of Atlanta, uh, the movie Atlanta, you got rid of Usher, you got rid of the Hawks, Braves, and Falcons, you kept Crown Mob, you got rid of strip clubs, you got rid of Sweet T, and you kept Keisha Lance Bottoms. Yeah!
SPEAKER_00Because I never got a shirt that says we got a mare named Keisha. Uh-huh. And then after that, we got a mare named Andre. And I was like, man, early 80s was crazy for naming kill for naming children. But yeah, I I approve all those messages. Yeah. Accurate.
SPEAKER_04Last but not least, um, you're killing it. Uh, you're doing amazing things. Uh I I love everything that's happening for you. We we love everything that's happening for you. Uh what does it look like for you killing it uh career-wise? Is it a sitcom? Is it a TV show? Is it movies? Is it behind the camera in front of what is it? What does it look like for you? This is like a manifestation, if you will.
SPEAKER_00To be a Kleon on Star Trek.
SPEAKER_04To be a Klingon in Star Trek?
SPEAKER_00That is my dream job.
SPEAKER_04That is hilarious, really.
SPEAKER_00Why would that be hilarious? It's a job.
SPEAKER_04How long, how long has that been?
SPEAKER_00Oh, since I was a kid. So people get it was I brought, oh, I broke this girl's braid. Yeah, because this girl was like, because I did the voice of um, I got to do a voice of a Kleon on Lower Decks. Uh, and I got that, I booked that because when I was recording episode of Great North, I ran into one of the actors from Star Trek while I was there. And so I ended up, so he was doing a voice on the show, because they were recording it at the same studio, and I started talking to him, and then the producer was there. And so me and him got to talking, and he was like, Oh, you need I was like, Oh, I've always wanted to do this. So they recognized me from Daily Show, they know I do Great North. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I've always wanted to be a Kleeon and a Star Trek, da da da da. And so they're like, Oh, because we would love to have more people who are Star Trek fans on the show. And so I ended up booking it, and so they called my reps, like, yeah, we have a Kleeon character coming up, we want you to do it. And when I get there, the producer was like, he said, when we they do Star Trek cruises. And when they get to the cruise, the actor, uh, Jeffrey Collins, who played a bunch of different aliens on Star Trek, he said they were on the cruise, and Jeffrey said, What happened to the girl that wanted to do the voice of a clip? Where is she? Did you book her? And so he's on a cruise and looks at the producer and goes, Did you book the her? And he's like, So he made sure that I got this. Another actor made sure that I got this job.
SPEAKER_04That's gonna happen. You're gonna be a Kleon.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, but that's my that's my dream job. Nice because people, because I remember some interview this girl did about Daily Show. She was like, What's it like having your dream job? I said, My dream job is to be a Kleon with Star Trek. Daily show is your dream job. My dream job is to have uh prosthetics and a long wet and wavy wavy and have my titties out in space. That's my job.
SPEAKER_05Little do you know.
SPEAKER_00Ma'am, you should ask me a different question. So, but yeah, that's that's my dream. Is that uh, but also it's I don't set comics hate when I say this. Uh my goal was to be a full-time performer. So I got in a comedy because another comic told me I was a comic. So and then put me in a stand-up life.
SPEAKER_04It's so funny. I I I it I my first meeting with you, I you f this is literally the outside looking out, I was like, it didn't feel like you were somebody who grew up loving comedy. It felt like you felt felt like somebody who was very sure of themselves, who was very funny, and kind of knew who they were as a per person, and that just happened to all work at the same time, also for stand-up. He was like, Oh yeah, this is a great way to to use my voice in this way.
SPEAKER_00You know, I got tricked in writing a book. I got bullied and taking a stand-up class.
SPEAKER_04There you go. So uh welcome, nigga, you can never leave.
SPEAKER_00Right. And so Big Kenny, I'd known him for like two years. So I used to, my little sister from college used to work the door at a comedy club. And just from meeting the comics and all of them, they were just like, because I was doing improv for two years, you know, I'd only been out of college like two years at this point. And Big Kenny goes, like, oh, you're funny. Like, yeah, I know how to tell a story. I'm a I've been doing theater forever, I'm a storyteller, I do know how to do that. And he's like, You should take stand-up. And I was like, Nope. And he's like, You should be a comic. I was like, ah. And I met other comics, and like, oh yeah, she's funny. She's good, you know, she knows how to. But Big Kenny was like, you know where punchline is when you're telling a story. Right, right. Because I know how to make people, you know, I was like, and then this happened, because I'm Southern, I don't tell a fucking story. But he was like, but you don't know the structure of a joke because you're telling a story. I'm like, yeah, and he goes, You take my stand-up class. And I was like, no, thank you. And so he, you know, we exchanged, he starts inviting me and my mom to shows and stuff, and then my mom had a dream that I was a comic. And you know, when the lawyer give your mom a dream. Yeah, Southern Mama get a dream. Southern mama get a dream. Now you gotta go. And so, but I was on unemployment at the time because we were in a procession, and uh, and I lost my, I got laid off. And Big Kenny was like, I'm doing the class again. I was like, uh, I don't have $300 for this class. That's most of my unemployment check. My employment at the time is like $383 a week. I was like, bro, I'm I've got nothing if I can do it. He's like, oh no, you're gonna be. He's like, no, you're supposed to be a comic. You know, I'm not charging you for the class.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00And I was like, all right, so this nigga won't charge me for this class. And my mom was like, fuck, I gotta go do a stand-up now. Um, and so when I started doing open mics, it was I had five minutes because I did six weeks of this class. And so, but it was a year and a half out before I realized what my voice was. Because I was doing this job, and I was like, no, I know, because also you have to think because I didn't have the same learning curve that a lot of comics have. Because a lot of comics, when they start out, they'd also never been performers before.
SPEAKER_05Right. But you came from theater, right?
SPEAKER_00Because remember you were saying on the street, I was sounded like I was right in front of you when I was up the road.
SPEAKER_04She was she was hella down projecting and knowing. I can hear everything you're saying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't, I don't breathe from here because I've been singing and acting for so long. I bring from so when I go to the doctor's office, they're like, I have to consciously go here because I don't breathe from my chest, I breathe from my diaphragm. And so I don't have the same learning curve that the comics had because I'd already been on, I'd been performing since I was a kid. I knew how to plant my feet, I know how to find my light, and all this other shit. So people are like, well, what tips do you give to people that are just starting out? Plant your feet, find your light, get out of the green room. And I find more and more with younger comics, it's telling them, get out of the fucking green room. You are not a comic, you are an open micer, you are a baby comic. Leave us the fuck alone and go learn. They wouldn't let us come in the green room when I started because we had no business being in the green room because you don't know. I'm not telling you to get out of the green room because I'm being nice, I'm being mean, not trying to include you. Don't be in the green room because you need to be watching comedy. You need to be in the audience. You just started, you don't know your voice, you don't know an audience. Because when I started out, I knew what an audience felt like. So I knew before, I knew if something wasn't working before they knew it wasn't working. But when you first start out, you don't have that feeling, you don't have that instinct, you don't have you don't know. But you want to sit in my face. So what's it like? No, fucker. Go outside and watch stand-up. Because the reason I can have some silly ass joke saying if the Lord ever blessed me with a dragon, I'm gonna burn New York down. That's a wild ass concept. But the only reason I thought to even say something so ridiculous is because I watched Maria Bamford and Baron Vaughn. Maria Bamford let me be ridiculous, but Varon Vaughn let me know as a black comic, I can be ridiculous. So why do you want to sit up and fuck up my evening?
SPEAKER_04Imp in my face. Eating my fucking cheese sticks.
SPEAKER_00Right. And being here because you want to be up, because you want to say, well, I'm I'm I'm two years here, I don't have 15 minutes. No, you don't.
SPEAKER_06You definitely don't.
SPEAKER_00You definitely don't, and then don't want to believe me when I tell you you don't.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, man. Yeah, now you think you hating. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Why you hating on, sir?
SPEAKER_04And then niggas want to do killing it.
SPEAKER_00And I'm like, nigga, no. All right, uh, but because you're not given the frame of reference, because no one's telling you, no, go learn. They made us learn.
SPEAKER_06So, you know, somebody wanted to do this show recently, and I wanted to be like, who besides you and your mama would be excited to see you on the show. To see you on the show.
SPEAKER_04We've been keeping this seat very hot. Oh, okay. It's only you gotta be killing it.
SPEAKER_00Sustained.
SPEAKER_04You gotta be moving and grooving and shit gotta be happening.
SPEAKER_00Well, here's it's like the thing that comics will ask me, especially, it's like, well, how does it feel like it feels like you made it? I'm like, nigga, I haven't.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Because people thought it's like, oh, you on Daily Show, you made it. No, I didn't. This is one job. Employee? I'm employed. Thank God I have this job. Right, right. I got to retire my mama. She wanted some fancy fridge. I can buy my mama some fancy fridge. I can take care of my family. Come on, fridge. Come on, ice on the outside. Sir, she wanted the thing where you press the screen and you can see what's in the fridge. And I was like, open the door. She's like, no. Why would I open a fridge where I can see from the outside? My mama watches church on the fridge. You understand? Right. So I'm running around all over the place. I'm in New York freezing my ass off, so my mama don't have to open her fridge and see what's in the fridge, right? So that's one job. And then I had Great North. It's another job. You write a book, because it's it's uh, you know, it's called Hello Friends, right? So you write, you do all these things, but it's like it's this is a marathon. And so one job isn't you made it, right? Right? It's a blessing that I'm able to still pay all of my bills because I'm not at the show anymore. And it's a blessing that I'm working enough to take, and I haven't had a time I'm like, oh fuck, right? But everybody's idea of making it has shifted significantly because the whole industry has shifted significantly. And so what everyone's seeing as success is not actually going to be sustaining to you. Because people are like, oh, you know, your internet comic, da da da. But now all of these places are starting to pull the money out.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00So YouTube ain't paying what it used to, all these places aren't paying what they used to. So now all the so now we have to so now we're rolling backwards again. Because the other thing that killed the industry was is like it's killing the industry, is the ad money's gone because the whole TV model is basically dead. So we have to and nobody wanted to adjust for streamers because no single white man owns the internet. It's a no man's land, right? The other thing is business people started running an entertainment business. The other thing that sustained all of us so people could keep their insurance up was one ads in between TV shows. Because even if you turn the channels, everybody went to commercial at the same time. So no matter where the fuck you flip. That's why Ted Turner, when he started TBS, made everything start five minutes later. So once you flip to him, well, fuck now, I gotta watch the Flintstones. So the other thing that happened was, and I was talking to some industry, like I was on a flight, and it was when we landed, the strike ended, it was nuts. Uh, because you felt everybody go, huh, because we landed and somebody went, the strike ended! We're like, thank God. Like we were landing in New York and everybody was so fucked. We were all flying from LA. And the other thing is that he was telling me is that a bunch of business people started running a creative industry. Because what would happen is, so this is what people don't realize about the significance of pilot season and the significance of a pilot. So, first of all, I knew all these comics when I was coming up, and they would like, oh, I wrote my I wrote this pilot. A manager would go, don't write a pilot, write a one-sheet. Because they will pay you to write the pilot. So you didn't write the pilot because they pay you to write the pilot. So one, you do a one sheet, they like your idea, they pay you to write a pilot. Then they make the pilot. That's another check. So now you make a pilot. Now you have just employed 200 people for the week. We do 300, we used to do 500 fucking pilots, right? Last year we did 15. See what I'm saying? Right. So then now your show gets picked up. So you've gotten paid to write a pilot. You've gotten paid to shoot a pilot. Now you get a season for a TV show. Now you employ 200 people for 22 episodes. Not to mention the fact you had to employ a writer's room first. So that's another job. So now if you created this show, now you're getting paid to be in the writer's room to write the show. And now we're shooting the show. That's 22 episodes. So now you've put two to 300 people to work, at least 150 people to work. And now the studio is getting paid, and da da da da da. So then there's a triple effect. If you're shooting a TV show, now you got to buy clothes. There's that. You got to buy makeup. You got to do hair, you got to buy lights, you got to buy this, you got to pay transportation, you got to buy food. So now all of the things that happened because of one TV show directly affect the entire economy of a city. But now we don't have 500 pilots, we have 15 pilots. So all of the food that you were selling to be on a set, we're not selling it. All the security guards that you had to hire, all the gas you had to buy, all the vehicles you had to get, all the clothes you had to buy, all of these things are not being purchased anymore because a bunch of corporate motherfuckers started coming into entertainment things because everybody set it up so everybody could eat. So now Netflix doesn't shoot pilots. So how many steps of payment did we lose? Right. Netflix doesn't shoot pilots. Netflix shoots a whole series. Nobody's shooting 22 episodes anymore. Now we're shooting 10 episodes. We like your idea. We're gonna pay you to write an entire season and then we're gonna shoot it, and that is it. Jeez. Yeah, baby. And then it comes out. And so now we're not even so now there's no ad money because people don't pay for ads, right? So you're paying not to see ads, but now ad dollars aren't coming in. So now the subscribers to Netflix are paying for TV shows as opposed to ads on Netflix paying for TV shows. So now they're only gonna find shows, they're only going to pay for shows that they think people will watch. Thank goodness for the comedy, man.
SPEAKER_06Praise God. Get us out of there, Jay. Go ahead and wrap it up.
SPEAKER_04All right, man. Listen, hey, we got we learned shit today, baby. We had a beautiful episode. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, the one and only. Please uh tell the people where they can find you.
SPEAKER_00I'm at Dulsay Sloan.com, um D-U-L-C-E-S-L-O-A-N.com. I have a lip gloss brand with another comedian named Lace Larrabee called Giggle Gloss. Uh that's some of the merch I sell on the road, and the other merch I sell is my ministry of No More Broke Dick, that is no more broke dick.com. And me and my mom make all the merch. Because no one, there's nothing like having your enemy in your bed. So but broke dick's great, but it in the in the long run, it will eventually be a problem.
SPEAKER_04Never had any of that. Uh gentleman, it's your boy BT Kings. London Brown. Justin Hyas. Another episode of Killin' the Do Shepard.