Predator (1987) Horror in the Jungle - Big Guns and Bigger Guns | Mike's Picks

Come on! Do it! Press play! We're right here! Come on! Come on! Do it! The guys are breaking down the horror side of an action, alien invasion, slasher combo classic, Predator. Directed by John McTiernan. Starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesse "The Body" Ventura, Carl Weathers, Bill Duke, Shane Black, Sonny Landham, Richard Chaves, Elpidia Carrillo, and Kevin Peter Hall.

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Coming up next.

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Come on, do it. Come on, kill me. I'm here. Kill me. Come on. Come here. Kill me. Come on, do it. Do it now.

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You son of a bitch. Get to the job. Do it now. This is all epic. All guts so gory presents Predator.

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We need the best. The mad and macabre.

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I'm just gonna back your brain. Playtime's over. No, no, I'm nice and night.

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Welcome to All Guts So Gory. Our conversation today is on Predator, the Jeffrey Epstein biopic. Oh god. Just kidding. 1987's Predator, a classic. Joined here by Justin and Charlie. I'm Mike. And before we even get into this thing, I want to remind everybody, we are not the gatekeepers of horror, and you shouldn't be either. Friends don't let friends judge what is a horror and what is not a horror. An action movie can have sci-fi and horror elements. If this was seven regular dudes and not bodybuilders getting chased through the jungle, being picked off by an alien one by one, killed, and their bodies treated in horrific ways, this would fall right into the horror bucket without question. There's skinned bodies hanging around, there's piles of guts. Pulling spine and skull out of people's asses. Yes. Yeah. Bloody skulls just being cleaned. A shot to the head where the blame brains explode onto the camera lens. Like for a quote unquote action movie, there's a lot of guts and there's a lot of gore here. And a monster. Predator, guys. Your thoughts. Mike did not know it was a biopic of the uh of Epstein or Weinstein. Rest in the head.

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Rest.

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No, it's you you summed it up perfectly. This this could easily be a slasher film, right?

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If if if if the predator was using a knife the entire time instead of you know some shoulder cannons, this would be a slasher, right? So it's got all the elements of it, you know, sneaking up and people just you know being picked off one by one. It to me it fits. It fits fine. You know, obviously there's action in it, like dog soldiers or something. It's a yeah, it's a it's a it's a mix.

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It's a good mix. It's a good mix.

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Genre crossing movie, and it's a good movie, and it's got Arnold Schwarzenegger in it. Yeah.

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John McTiernan, who directed this, directed a horror film called Nomads, starring Pierce Brosnan right before he directed Predator, which is his second directorial effort. And Justin, you'll appreciate this. According to IMDB, he was offered to direct Jason Goes to Hell from 1993. He should have done it, but he didn't. He did Last Action Hero instead, sticking with his man Arnold. Other action flicks, he is Die Hard. You know, he's got his director of Die Hard, John McTiernan, yeah, director of Die Hard, Die Hard with a Vengeance. He didn't do part two, Hunt for Red October, Last Action Hero of the Thomas Crown, Thomas Crown Affair, 13th Warrior. Yeah. 13th Warrior. Those are solid. Yeah. He's a fucking great director, man. Awesome. And then but that's it. Like he didn't do, he hasn't done anything in like 25 years. He's gonna snap to, he's got checks. I guess. I think you know they come at they come into style and go out of style, which is like actors.

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I mean, but the good thing about directing, producing, and writing is you get points on the movies that you make. Definitely right.

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And then if you get movies that are like Blu-ray DVD streaming 20th anniversary 30, 40 years later, yeah.

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You don't have to do anything, you can retire easily.

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Yeah. Atticus, he's joining us with us, joining us as well on this episode. Atticus, your thoughts on Predator.

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So while watching it, the Wi-Fi on my TV, I had to watch most of it on my phone. So that may have brought it down a little bit, but I overall enjoyed the movie.

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Yeah.

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It was pretty good.

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Didn't you have a joke you wanted to tell? Don't do it. Don't do it. Do it. Your mom. Thank you. Your mom's gonna listen to this. Sure it is.

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Yeah, so I asked my girlfriend for a little pussy. Oh my god. And she said, Me too. Mine's as big as a house. We're all going to jail. Totally.

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You can't even make it through without laughing. It's so awesome. I'm I'm leaving. You're leaving. You made Charlie and Pepsi. I'm retiring.

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Oh I was really sad when he died.

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Yeah, I wanted some more jokes. Yeah. He gave another one. Yeah. He actually got some laughs. You get two in this one. Yeah. Why'd you say it twice? I didn't. You see, because the echo. It's always a good joke when you have to explain it. It's always a good one, right? Yeah. Billy wasn't that bright. But he got it. Yeah, once he explained it to me, he's like, ha ha ha ho detto. Then we get the predator.

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Yeah.

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I mean, my favorite memory of this film is getting into the video store and like had hearing people talk about it and Arnold Schwarzenegger being like larger than life at the time. And when I got this at the video store, on the back of the box is a scene that I don't think is in the movie, but it's Predator and Arnold standing toe to toe, and the predator is towering over him. And it's like, holy shit. Like, no one towers over Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's a guy that, like, when you're a kid, you think he's like six foot eight and three hundred pounds. In reality, he's like six two. Like, he's not like he's a big dude. Obviously, he's Mr. Olympia like seven times, Mr. Universe, eight times, whatever, and just in incredible shape for his entire life, and just he's huge. But like six two is like a normal average size. Well, I think five nine is the average male.

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Like really in the United States.

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American, sure.

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So if you take that five nine and put him in a different kind of thing.

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But usually when you hear someone's like six five, you're like, oh, that's a tall guy. When someone's like six two, it's like, okay. Okay, I'm 6'2, Mike. You're making me feel like so am I. I'm 6'2. I'm 6'2, and I don't consider myself towering over people. I'm five. But you see Arnold in movies and he towers over everyone. And it's like to see someone else tower over him, it was like, holy shit, what is this? Right, another foot. Another foot on him. I need to see this. Like, no one is bigger than Arnold. Who is this? What is Predator? What is this guy?

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Yeah.

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I need to see this. So that that was like a holy shit moment when I was like 10 and saw this and got got this at the video store.

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Yeah, we we owned this one on VHS when I was a kid. So we watched this one quite a bit. Yeah. Um, it's you know one of the probably one of the best selling VHS. I didn't look it up, but it's gotta be in like every other household, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, when DVDs came out, this was one of the first I got for sure. Zaticus is the first time seeing this one, too. Yeah, yeah. First time?

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First time.

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Like it?

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Yeah, it was pretty good. On a small phone screen. I'm just a little sad. I really liked the glasses guy, and he kept dying. And like, I don't like how he died first. Well, he did go out first.

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He went out first, but he was trying to save the girl.

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Yeah, and then he was nice about it too. Like he was like, please don't run, please don't run.

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Yeah.

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So this came out in 1987. Charlie, is this one that you saw in theaters by chance? I think Justin and I were a little too young to see it in theaters. What month did it come out? June. June. It was a summer movie. June 1987. I don't remember seeing it in the theater, so I probably didn't. Yeah, I was three, so I didn't.

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Yeah, it would have been probably a couple years later for me on tape, right? So I didn't see it in theaters.

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You didn't? Of course not. Nothing really, I mean, it did it wasn't one of the top ten at the box office that year, which is surprising, but nothing else came out around this time that was like a big hit either. So I hope I wonder if Predator was like a big hit for the summer, because nothing else that came out in that month was a real big hit. It was I think I I made a note on something. Beverly Hills Cop 2 was that summer. Got released the same weekend as Ernest Goes to Camp, which is the best in the Earnest series. What about Ernest, do you know? Nah, Goes to Camp is the best one. Sonny's the first one, right? No. I think I think it's school, jail, camp. He went to jail before camp. I thought Camp was stupid. I think jail was before camp. Atticus has never seen Sonny Learn. Wasn't Sonny in one of the Beverly Hills cop movies? Sonny. Sonny Landham? Sonny Landham. He was like That's uh That's Charlie's favorite mythical this fucking guy. Yeah, we'll we'll get oh no yeah, he was in 48 hours.

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48 hours.

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He was the uh abusive Native American Billy Bear. Billy Bear.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah. So the tagline for Predator, it's bad. Are you guys ready for this? That's serious. On the poster, nothing like it has been on Earth before. It came for the thrill of the hunt. It picked the wrong man to hunt. Too long. Way too long. Too long.

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It's not that bad though. I kind of like it.

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What if it what if it just came to Earth to hunt? It picked the wrong.

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No, I think it would have just been a target of the hunt.

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A bunch of people.

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Or like thrill. It's not like it picked the hunt. Yeah, but like it did make it.

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It didn't come here to hunt Dutch. Right. It came here to just obviously. It didn't pick his. I'd be good with that. Or we're not on top of the food chain anymore.

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Just there's so many out there. We're so much better.

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If it bleeds, we can kill it. If it bleeds, we can kill it.

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Yeah, that'll be or if it bleeds, it can be killed. Or get to the choppa. Get to the chopper.

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Get to the chopper. Do it. Come to the movies now. I'm Arnold. You love me. Oh man. I don't think there's like sound on tagline, so you can't push them back. Oh, darn. No, they just need to put the brackets. It's like Arnold Schwartzmaker voice. Do it. Come to the movies. He'll be back. I'm right here.

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Yeah.

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So John McTiernan is our director. Directed nine films between 1986 and the turn of the turn of the century. Mentioned them already, but they're nomads, Predator, Die Hard, The Hunt for Red October, Medicine Man, Medicine Action Hero, Die Hard with a Vengeance, The Thomas Crown Affair, The 13th Warrior. This guy was banging him out. Bangers. Most of those movies. Bangers. Yeah. I mean, at least like one, two, three, four, five, like five of those movies, I stop if they were on TV and just while I'm watching this now. Yeah. Yeah.

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What's Nomads? I don't know if I've seen Nomads. I haven't seen nomads.

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I think that was based in India on some kind of cult thing. Okay. Check it out. You know what? I may be confused. Carry on. I'll check it out.

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Carrying on. Do you guys like Last Action Hero? I love that movie. I fucking love it. I feel like you either love it or you hate it. If you hate it, we're not friends. I saw it in the movie theater and I was expecting something different. Because like, what year did it come out? 93. So I was. He decided not to do Jason Goes to Hell so he could do last action hero. Yeah.

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I don't want to be not friends with you anymore, but I definitely loved my Jason Goes to Hell experience more than the last action hero. We know. Oh my gosh.

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No, no matter is not what movie I was thinking.

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When did True Lies come out? Was that after 94? Okay. 94 or 5. I want to say 94.

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I went in thinking it was going to be a you know, I don't know, a serious, straightforward Arnold type of movie. Yeah. No, Last Action Hero. Oh, okay. And I was like, oh okay, I get what they're doing here.

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Yeah. Like last action hero. I'll revisit it. It was critical to my like education of movies as a nine-year-old. Because like I didn't know what a cameo was, but you're like watching Last Action Hero, and I'm like, the T1000 just walked by. Like scene T2 already. And like shit like that. Like Chevy Chase and Damon Wayans are like in a scene, not even no lines, they're just like on the sidewalk, and Arnold like is running down the sidewalk and like costs too much to like not have lines. And just shit like that. It's like, you know, I didn't know what a cameo was, and so you're getting like this little bit of education when you're a kid watching this. MC Hammer, another cameo. Amazing. Plenty of them in this movie. It's a movie about kids, a kid who loves movies, who ends up in the movie, and the people in the movie think that they're in their real life. And like, so it's self-aware, it's in on the joke, it's making jokes about making movies and the magic behind it. I mean, I'd never seen anything like this movie before. Still talking about Last Action Hero, not Predator. Sorry. But I'd never seen anything like that before. And Arnold was like that should be in the title. Is this a movie on Predator or is it Last Action Hero? But Last Action Hero is amazing. I love it. Do you guys like Die Hard with a Vengeance? I mean, we all like Die Hard. Do you like the third one? Yeah.

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Yeah, it's good. I like the puzzles. I love it.

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Highly rewatchable, even on cable. That's Sam Jackson, right? Yes. 13th Warrior? I don't know how many times I've seen that. That's good. That is great.

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Medicine Man was cool. I'm like, oh, the Curity Cancer's out in the jungle, but their deforestation. I'm like, well, I'm in.

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All right. Yeah. John McTiernan. Awesome. Moving on to the cast. Dutch. Oh, wait.

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Thomas Crown Fair, Renee Russo is looking pretty nice in that one.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, go ahead.

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As she usually does. I've definitely seen all the movies we just said.

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I don't think you've seen any of them. Die Hard, maybe.

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No.

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Oh no.

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Dutch is Arnold Schwarzenegger, our lead here in Predator. Is it a hot take if I say Arnold Schwarzenegger might be my favorite actor of all time?

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It's a take. It's not a hot take. It's a choice. Think of his filmography. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff in there. So no. Yeah. It's huge. But it's like just action films.

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It's not.

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Well, Predator's a horror. Twins, basically. Twins is a comedy.

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Did anybody see Maggie? I didn't see Maggie.

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He's protecting his zombie daughter, basically. I haven't seen it yet, but no, I haven't seen that one. Wait, is that the last stance? No, I didn't see that one. But you know, Escape Plan. His um. Yeah, I mean, so you know, his upbringing from Austria becomes a bodybuilder, Mr. Olympia, Mr. Universe, Hercules, all those titles. Yeah. Yeah, he gets casting some stuff in the 70s, but his English isn't quite there yet, so it's like you gotta get better at that. Well, when the 80s comes around, he gets like Conan the Barbarian, hardly any lines. You just we just need a big guy. Terminator, he's this killing machine, hardly any lines. His first movie, they actually used a different person's voice. Yeah, they did. Oh, I got some info, some intel. So this isn't about the affair he had with his nanny. Okay, let's leave that out of it. Arnold Schwarzenegger is from Austria. Yes.

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Speaks German.

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That's true.

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Right? Yeah.

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So when they dub his movies in Austria or in Germany, or you know, it would be in German, he doesn't do it because his accent, to them, he sounds like a fucking hillbilly redneck.

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Oh no.

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His accent is like super country.

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Oh, that's funny. Right? So he he they use another German act voice actor, I guess. Christoph Waltz or something.

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To do his voice. And I heard that a few years ago, and I was like, that is crazy and insulting. Yeah.

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Go ahead. Get to the chopper. It's over here. Come on.

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Come on, boys. Get to that chopper. I guess what in German sound like.

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But I mean, I love Arnold. I mean, Commando, the Running Man, Predator, Total Recall. Total Recall, yeah. T2, Last Action Hero, True Lies. Just, I mean, for for as far as my childhood, there was nobody bigger. There was no bigger star. The error. I wasn't like, you know, like I knew about like De Niro and Pacino, but like I hadn't yet seen like Scarface, or I hadn't yet seen Goodfellas when I was like nine, you know, but I'd seen T2, I'd seen Kindergarten Cobb. Right. He was kind of an he was maybe your first season pass kind of guy. Is that what you're saying? Like if he's done it, you're gonna watch it. Basically, yeah. And he made a lot of money in real estate.

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I mean, he was worth a lot of money because of how smart he was early in his career, where he did a lot of investing and just like, you know, strip buying strip malls or you know, property here, property there.

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Yeah. He didn't make all his money from movies. I imagine he made a lot, but they should create an Oscar category for like best action actor. Because like your Jason Statham's, your Vin Diesels are never gonna win Oscars, but like because they're action movies, they say cheesy shit. He'll get a live time achievement award. He has to, right? If they have to already if they haven't, yeah. But yeah, all right. So that's Arnold. You guys have any more takes on Arnold? I love Arnold. Former governor of California. Yeah, he was the F governor hates Donald Trump.

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He was the governor of California.

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He was for like two terms, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Reminds me of Kanye Website rushing for president.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there was real talk of like, you know, like him trying to start a motion of like ending the you have to be born in the country to be a president kind of thing. There was real talk. But I mean it wasn't ever gonna happen, but like it was there was talk.

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Yeah. Yeah, Dylan. He's played by Carl Weathers, who we know best to follow Creed. Dylan.

SPEAKER_05 19:14

That's Dylan. He looks so familiar. Or from Happy Gilmore's kid. Happy Gilmore. Chubbs Peterson. That is Chubbs. Chubbs. He's where I knew him from. And I was like, who is he?

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Action Jackson. Yeah. Mandalorian, he had a bit a little roll in. Yeah.

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He was in another Adam Sandler movie, right? I don't know. He was in like this one where like he was in. Yeah, I think he was in Lil' Nicky.

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I think so. But yeah, we know him best as Apollo Creed. Yeah. Carl Weathers, he football player before getting into acting. Played for the Raiders for a year or two. Played some Canadian football for like three years. Yeah. Great afro. Oh, one of the best. When he pops up in some, it's just a delight to see him. Canadians have football. Great. Yes. They have football everywhere. Great muscles.

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Dad's got great muscles, man. Yep.

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Blaine, he play is played by Jesse the Body Ventura. Another governor. Another governor of Minnesota. So two governors in this movie. The one with the Gatling gun.

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He was governor of Minnesota for a while. Wow.

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In real life, he was on the Navy's underwater demolition team, which is basically Navy SEALs. He was a SEAL in Vietnam. Yeah. I mean, I think they later combined like the UDTs and the SEALs into one program. So, but yeah, he's doing technically Navy SEAL, yeah. Professional wrestler, actor, governor, author. His autobiography is titled I Ain't Got Time to Bleed, which is his famous line from Predator. Yeah. Ain't got time to bleed. Padge is like, oh, okay. You got time to duck. You got time to duck. As a color commentator for the WWF, his last appearance was at WrestleMania 6 in 1990. Of course, that's when the Ultimate Warrior beat Hulk Hulk Hogan to become the first wrestler to hold the Intercontinental and World Heavyweight Championships at the same time. And it was Hogan's first clean clean pinfall loss in nine years. You know, we have wrestling corners sometimes. Sometimes on all guts so good. When you say we have wrestling corner, you mean it means you're here and you have to listen. You're in the corner. Yeah, so Jesse the Body Ventura. We also get Hawkins played by Shane Black. He's a great screenwriter who was on this project as an actor because he was finished writing Lethal Weapon, and the producer here, Joel Silver, wanted to be close to him during the process of getting Lethal Weapon going as he was finishing that script up. They apparently asked Shane Black to do some rewrites on Predator and he declined. He's like, I'm here to act. And that may be why they killed him off first.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

That is that is Atticus's guy, the jokester. Shane Black is the jokester.

SPEAKER_04 21:58

I mean, that's a Hollywood thing. Just killing people off because they're dicks or whatever. Like in The Warriors.

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The Warriors them out and play.

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The guy with that guy that was in the thing who gets chomped on. What's his name?

SPEAKER_04 22:17

He couldn't get his flamethrower working in that scene with everybody. Right, okay. I can't remember what his his character's name was. Anyway. The one that was in charge of the dogs? No, no, not him. The one with the curly hair and the glasses. Oh, right.

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Windows, you're right. Windows. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

I ain't going with Windows. He was right. He was in the Warriors.

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And he the script, he doesn't die the way that he dies in the movie in the script, but he was such a dick, you know, that he just throw him in front of a train in the subway and he dies. And they just don't talk about they there and later in the in the movie, they're like after they make it out of that little sequence, they're like, you know, what happened to what's his name?

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And they he just looks at him and shakes his head or says something like didn't make it. They he was such a dick, they fucking killed him off. That's awesome. And it probably wasn't, it was probably a different actor. Yeah. They probably just sent him home. And then anyway.

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Rabbit holes, rabbit holes.

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So Shane Black he wrote Lethal Weapon was the first thing he wrote. Came out later, uh, right after Predator came out. I wrote Lethal Weapon 2. He wrote The Last Boy Scout. Uh he wrote it while he was filming Predator. He was writing The Last Boy Scout. It's 80s and everyone did. He's a unique, a unique writer. He's got a unique style, that's for sure. Uh Last Action Hero, The Long Kiss, Good Night, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Great. Great movie. Awesome.

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Great dialogue in that one.

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Iron Man 3. It was fine.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

People love Iron Man 3 though.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

The Nice Guys is fucking great. I love the Nice Guys. And then he wrote The Predator in 2018, which I wasn't a fan of. That was fine. I didn't like it. It was the one with the Cover, right? Machine Black, legendary street wrestling.

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More. I mean, the the cast here, there's just so many stories about all of these guys, and they're all there a lot of them are true, but they're just fucking unbelievable. So Danny DeVito tells a story of when he was filming twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think this is the way it goes. I might have the the nuance wrong, but they went to a party or they went to like Club 51, the one in Studio 51?

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Studio, yeah, whatever. 54 some party, and I think it was there.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

And they had spelled people's names out in cocaine. And he's like, Donny, Donny, come here. They spell my name out. And he's got a long fucking name.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

That's a lot of cocaine. It was the 80s. Yeah. Maybe it was maybe it was sugar. Booger sugar sugar.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

Is that a nickname for cocaine? Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

I know nothing about that.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

So we got Mac. He's played by Bill Duke. Great actor as well. American Gigolo, Commando, Action Jackson. Perhaps the best actor in this movie. No, that goes to Arnold. Bill Duke just got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on his 83rd birthday, which was just a few weeks ago, actually. Like February 24th. Happy late birthday. Rest in peace.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Somehow, Bill Duke. Somehow Bill Duke can cry. He can cry with his entire head, somehow. There's tears coming up all parts of your head there. He's a sweat.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

Yeah. We got Pancho, played by uh Richard Chavez. Chavez? Chavez. Don't know much about him. Did he die? Did a lot of TV in the 70s and 80s. All the big TV shows, your Dallas, your Hill Street Blues, all that stuff. He's in all those, all the big shows from the 70s and 80s. Yeah, but um that I don't know much about him. Was anybody else at times confused by him and uh Shane Black?

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Yes. It's just the glasses.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

If they didn't have glasses on, I would have been like which one's which. Yeah. Like I get to. Every time I watch the movie, I forget. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

If he didn't have glasses, I wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

Well, actually, I would have known because he died first, but yeah, every time I watch it, I get those two characters confused which one dies first and then which one is busted up and has to get to the chopper.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Did he get something? I don't think he makes it all. No, he doesn't make the chopper. No, he's one of the last, but he doesn't make it. They don't show that he's dead, but they leave him. Oh no, they he gets he gets popped in the head. Oh, it was in the head.

SPEAKER_05 26:42

Oh, yeah, yeah. With the laser.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

First, he gets the the fucking log to the chest. Probably broke all his ribs and punctured his lungs. And then he gets popped in the head.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

And then Arnold gets shot in the arm with a laser, and then he's like, get to the chopper.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

That's like the I want to we'll talk about that. Yeah, we're gonna talk about the battery. I'm gonna talk about that because I got a nitpick.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

I got thoughts on that. For sure. Why is Arnold made of metal, apparently? Because he's Arnold. I've got a theory. I've got a theory to go with my nitpicks.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

Okay. Okay. Secretly next. Going up to. This is our last guy in our crew is Billy, played by Sonny Landon. You guys might have seen some of his work. The Love Bus. No? Private Afternoons of Pamela Mann. Yeah. Are you saying that? The Passions of Carol. He did adult films. Is that what you're saying? Big Abner? Where he plays the titular Big Abner instead of Little Abner? Slippery When Wet. Seen that one?

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Is that a movie based on the Bon Jovi album?

SPEAKER_04 27:42

The Honey Cup. Have you seen the Honey Cup?

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Now we're getting into movies I like.

SPEAKER_04 27:45

Have you seen Virgin Snow? I haven't seen any of these films on the record.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Big thumbs?

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Where's that coming from? I'm curious. Where's code for Big Thumbs? Misbehaving? Oh, nice. Ain't no misbehaving. That's like a real.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

So Sonny dabbled in porn before he got his big break in the film 48 hours, which Charlie mentioned earlier. Yeah. And one of the funnest fun facts about him is that there needed to be a bodyguard on set of Predator to protect people from him. Six foot eight. Yeah, the insurance company with battle.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Drinks like 18 beers and does like 10 shots and is still in fighting condition and just like starts a fight in with seven guys and beats their ass.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah. The cops come and he fights the cops too.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

The production company's insurance would not allow him to be cast without that. Yeah. Because there were so much, wild shit on the show. Because they film in the Mexico.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

And then he like ran for office later. Well, he should have won based on everyone else got to be governor. Yeah. He ran for governor of Kentucky, but he he resigned from the race, or else it would have been three governors in this film. Wow. Yeah. Well, three people ran for governor. Yeah. Two or one. I'm surprised Carl Weathers didn't get to be governor so that easily he could have. Yeah. But yeah, that guy is like a Hollywood anti-hero legend. Yeah. The shenanigans that guy did. Yeah. So this film was made on a$15 million budget. I gotta imagine like$13 million went to Arnold. Yeah. A peak of his career. I'm surprised it was only a$15 million budget when I read that. I'm like, holy shit. Gross$98.2 million worldwide.

SPEAKER_05 29:41

That's alright.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

Yeah. Arnold wanted to be part of a team-based movie. He's he had done commando and things. This one appealed to him because it was part of a team.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

And he probably got what are they points? Oh, I know. I would hope so.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Back end stuff.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

Yeah. Like a percentage of the movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:58

What's wrong, Dylan? Have the CIA have you pushing too many pens or whatever it is?

SPEAKER_03 30:04

What's the matter, Dylan?

SPEAKER_04 30:05

Does the CIA have you pushing too many pens? Come strong with your quotes. Come strong, Walker.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

You gotta commit. Commit to the bit, man. Let's hear you get to the chopper real quick. We'll critique it. Do it. Get to the chopper. Not bad. Not bad.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

I don't have an Arnold impression. It's all right.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

Not everyone does. Bill Hader does a really good one. Have you seen Bill Hader's? Yeah. Arnold's. Wasn't he like a PA for Schwarzenegger? Yeah, something like that. Or he was on like a PA on one of the films, and like the clip where he's on like Conan or something. He's talking about like Arnold can't find his like hair guy. He's like, where is Peter? He's like, I don't know. He's like, well, go go find him. Show me your leadership capabilities. Yeah. That's the most inspiring thing. So this movie was Oscar nominated for best visual effects against only Inner Space, and it lost to Inner Space Inner Space. You guys seen Inner Space? Yeah, I have to do that. Inner Space is fun. I like that. It is fun, but like I feel like Desperate should have won it. I mean, it's it's shrunken down Dennis Quaid flying around inside of human bodies. Yeah, it's pretty cool. But yeah, magic school bus. I can see it. I can see it. Yeah, he's magic school busing in that movie for sure. Fantastic Voyage ripoff. We don't often talk about like the below the line guys, but music by Alan Silvestri, absolute legend. Look up his IMDB. He probably composed the music or soundtrack for like a dozen of your favorite films. 430 credits to his name, including this one. So legend in that, in that. Don't forget about the costume design guy. Who's that?

SPEAKER_03 31:50

The one that you said helped design on uh oh, Stan Winston.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Yeah, Stan Winston. Stan Winston, you know, responsible for Predator, for Terminator, for Alien, for Jurassic Park, for all those franchises. You didn't talk about the guy who did the Predator. Who's the Predator? Kevin Peter Hall.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

Yeah, Kevin Peter Hall.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

But who was the original Predator? Yeah. Justin. John Claude. Jean Claude Van Down. And he kept passing out in the suit, apparently. The suit was drastically different too, right? Yeah. It looked like and then they were basically wrote it off as like he's too small. So they went and found a dude like seven foot two. And it works to have someone like way bigger than Arnold. Right. Kevin was it more than works. It's iconic.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

He was also hairy and a suit that's a suit that you can move in, and it was very humanoid, like with the movements and stuff. So the acting could come out. So he was an actor and you know, just tall. Just a tall-ass actor that could still move in. Yeah. All right. Did you get to the funny story where Stan Winston was on a plane with James Cameron? Because he worked on Terminator, right? Yes. And he was sketching out like as like a warrior, like a Rastafarian warrior kind of thing. And that's kind of where this image started, and James Cameron's like, you know what? I've always wanted to see an alien with mandibles. So like he like added that just like as a well, I can give you a damn mandible one kind of thing. And this became the drug.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

What's the mandible? The little like the teeth.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

It's what makes him an ugly mother effer, you know? Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

I actually quoted that to my friend when I was playing the video. Before you'd even seen that, you just wanted to call him.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

Your dad is a let's get to the movie, guys.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Called me an ugly mother.

SPEAKER_04 33:44

So you know, we get the opening scene here, right? The crew gets off the chopper. Dutch sees Dylan. After a little ship like turds out a little escape pod thing with a brother and it plays. It's the exact same thing in the thing. The little spaceship enters our atmosphere. Looked real. Yeah. So the crew, they get off the chopper, Dutch. He sees Dylan. Dylan! You son of a bitch. And then you get the meme. Did you notice the meme? Did you catch the the handshake of the biceps? Yeah. Yep. The kids know that one. Yeah, that's that's the meme shot there. I was so confused like I was like oiled up muscles.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

How did they get that meme way back in the highway in the movie?

SPEAKER_05 34:32

I didn't know it was invented back then.

SPEAKER_04 34:34

Yeah, yeah. That's where it comes from. I mean, we get the little backstory about why these guys were called, like they're the best of the best. This is supposed to be a rescue mission, a chopper veered off course, some sort of veered off course, crossed over enemy lines, and lost communications, and it's up to this crew to go find them, basically. Dylan is a member of the CIA, and these guys are all like special forces from wherever they're from. Right. And obviously, Duke has a role in turning down jobs and like taking the jobs, right? Yeah. So Dutch, Dutch, Dutch. Dutch. Dutch. Yeah, I knew what you meant. Yeah. So the crew, they arrive near some border in Central America. They don't say what country, they just keep saying the border, or they're over the border, or we gotta get back to the border, or whatever. But it's in Central America somewhere. You know, they find the helicopter that went missing, and you know, they drop into the jungle and they they find the chopper. Both pilots or one pilot. I think it's two pilots shot in the head, executed basically, and all the tech like stripped. Like they basically like stripped this chopper down to the bones. Right. So all the tech's gone, and the the the pilots are are shot. The chopper right there was kind of interesting too. And yeah, it introduces all the characters. Yeah, some good jokes. I mean, yeah, totally inappropriate. Oh no, go ahead. You you love your Jesse Ventura. That's I love that one. Slackjawled No, I don't say that part.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

I like the it'll make you a sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

And then the other guy's like, I don't want nothing about your sore ass.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

He he spits he spits his chew on uh Carl Weather's uh Dylan's full respect. That's a nasty habit you have there. Yeah, yeah. A lot of like behind he tells the joke that Atticus told at the beginning, where it's like, you know, the small, big as a house.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

I like those scenes in movies like where it's like you're you're getting three minutes. Tell me a few things.

SPEAKER_03 36:41

This is the guy that like is always shaving himself, like dry shaving himself.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

Oh my god, that hurts so bad. That's gotta hurt so bad. Not when you sweat as much as he does, man. No, when I lubricated. When I was in the Coast Guard, I got punished for not shaving. Even though I shaved that day, I had a little five o'clock shadow at 6 30. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Well, I went to go ask the drill instructor, the company commander, or something. I went to ask a question, and the response I got back instead of like a yes or no, was like, How about you go shave your fucking face? And I like basically was told to go get my my shaving kit and report to his office, and I had to stand in front of his office door with my water bottle and my razor, and that was it. And basically, shave naked, right? So like I use I with water, I had shaved my face, and he goes, again, and just just with water, shave. He goes, again. I shaved my face with a big, cheap ass big fucking razor, the same one Bill Duke probably was using here. Shaved my face with just water as a lubricant about eight times. My face was red as fuck. It hurt so bad that night, and the next day, I was like, think of like the worst sunburn. Yeah, like think of that, but like on your face, and just didn't bother Mac. So yeah, I never missed a day of shaving the rest of the time I was there. I shaved twice a day every day for the rest of my time there. Anyway, so yeah, watching him do that, I'm like, that's kind of fucking hurt. Why are you doing that? Probably didn't have a blade. And then he did it so hard he broke it. He cut his face. I'm like, Jesus Christ. He cut his face? There was like a if you look like he's pushing it in when he stops shaving because he sees the predator, he's pushing it in. And then it's breaks the handle breaks, and like the little there's like a line because the razor went into his skin.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

We'll get there. So they find the helicopter crashed. Yeah. So forth.

SPEAKER_04 38:44

And then and then Billy, Billy, you know, Sonny Landham, he's the tracker of the group, right? Right. And so he he just can sense things around, he can smell, sees like can see you know the footprints that are left behind in the mud, but just can kind of sense like what's going on. And he ends up finding the bodies of two or three, I think three guys hanging by their feet and skinned, like flayed. We got the thing with flayed, skinned bodies on this podcast all of a sudden. Martyrs, this there was another one that we did and had it in there. But yeah, playing three guys hung by their feet, skinned alive. It's brutal. And they one of them is like somebody that Dutch knew because they grabbed the dog tags, Hopper, Hopper, that was a pretty cool trick. How he picked up the dog tags with his knife and like swung it like 20 feet over to Arnold and he catches it. Yep, these guys are badass.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

They probably had to shoot it like 10 times. Studio.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Yeah, and then yeah, so the guy's name is Jim Hopper, and there's a Hawkins character in this movie. Is there some like were the people that made Stranger Things big predator fans? Gotta be, right? Probably. I mean, they're 80. Who's not a big predator fan, but still. Yeah. I wish. That leads us to the hostages scene, the the gorilla soldiers camp. You know, they're they're they're kind of setting up like where they're gonna go, how they're gonna approach the situation. One of the hostages they just executed. Yeah, they just see it. Like, holy shit. There's like a truck that's like pumping water, doing something. Yeah, they're I don't know what it was doing, but it was there as a prop basically for Arnold to lift. Yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Okay, he chopped the belt, yeah, put the uh put the and the guy guarding it is just like doo doo doo doo. So he starts chasing it down. It was rolling. He doesn't care why it's rolling, he just starts chasing it down.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

And the truck like runs into this building, and then he's like knock knock. Um or boom, there's whatever he says.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

There's back might be later. But yeah, this shows them how lethal they are as a team, right?

SPEAKER_04 40:53

Yeah, they're good. Oh, he like stabs someone to the wall, he's like, stick around, stick around, stick around, knock knock. So you know, there's this whole there's a lot of kills, a lot of gunfire, a lot of shit going on. They're snapping necks. Cash and checks. Cash and checks.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Damn it, you beat me too.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

But basically, yeah, like you said, it's showing like that they're skilled, that they are elite, they're an elite unit. There's seven of them, there's like 50 of them, and like they take them out, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

That's when you get the you're bleeding. I ain't got time to bleed.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

Yeah, they they've got shorthand for each other. They the end, you know, they they know everybody's strength. Here's one nitpick.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

Wouldn't there be one sniper? At least one sniper. No, not that gorilla kill. Sniper is on their team.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

No, I know.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

I mean, they're all good shots, but you don't need a sniper and when what they do, they would be useless. They could have taken out those birds people.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

They could have taken out too many trees in the way.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

Okay, that's true. Yeah, that's true. And if they would have to be a few, that's why you need painless, which just shops down everything. And if they would have had a sniper, I think they would have taken out that predator. Like they would have like somebody could have shot it from farther away. I think the predator would find him first and snipe them back. Yeah. Snipe you. But yeah, we get we get a ton of painless here, old painless, the uh the Gatling gun that Jesse Ventura's took. One of the most memorable things from the movie is this Gatling gun. Oh my god. I had never seen a movie.

SPEAKER_03 42:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

They had to rig it up with a special harness and a battery kind of thing because it's not normally the backpack of the the ammo that this thing uses so quickly, the backpack to hold all of the ammo that you would even shooting it one minute straight, like three thousand rounds.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

This gun has very limited, will run out very quickly. That backpack's gonna be like 150 pounds.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

3,000 rounds a minute is what they said in the making of they said that you can only carry enough ammo to basically get six seconds worth of shooting. That's crazy. Like after six seconds, you're out of what you can conceivably carry. And then they had to slow they have to slow down the film for the shots worth shooting because it doesn't like cameras can't pick it up because it's so fast. Yeah, it's just a fiery blur. Yeah, and then like somebody you has to be like toting behind them with like carrying like a hundred-pound battery. So it's basically like just the least effective thing you could bring. But it's but it looks awesome. So badass thoughts on the Gatling gun. I really like the Gatling. It's the best. That's a prop. Skip to the end. That's a prop. Yeah, it is the I think they brought it back in T2. It's the same one. Did they? Was it mounted though? Two. No, no, he's gonna be. Oh, yeah, okay, Arnold. Yeah, you're right. When he kicks the dead when he's up in Cyberdyne and breaks the window out, and he's laying waste all the cop cars. So later on, when they're taking out the force, when they're trying to shoot.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

200,000 rounds, not just from the thing, but that's how many rounds we expended on that scene. 200,000 blanks.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

That's what it said, at least.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 44:12

That's crazy. Okay. So they can't kill the rebels. Yeah. Yeah. They annihilate the whole base. So they're they they annihilate everyone except this one female hostage who they kind of bring on board, but they're like, they're kind of well, at this point also, Dutch can't trust Dylan because Dylan they find out that Dylan made up this story about these all being hostages, quote unquote, because there's something this guerrilla camp was doing that they're trying to bring across the border. And if they cross the border, yeah, they're stopping it. It's really bad for everybody. So they basically turn them into assassin assassins when they're really rescuers, right? Which is not an assassin. Right. He's a rescue worker. Yeah. He's like, you know, you lied to us, and now you almost got us killed.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

But this is in the meat grinder.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Yeah. And so, like, there's this lone hostage, or I don't even know if she's a hostage. She's part of it. Yeah, she's a gorilla. She's part of it. Yeah, she's part of it. And they're like, Bring her along. You know, bring her along. But I think somebody's like, hey, we can't trust her. Like, fuck her. Like, leave her here. And then somebody convinces them to like bring her. Yeah, it was. It was a weird. They they said, okay, they're gonna be honest in a half hour. We have to make this decision. We don't have time to take all the shit. Let's take her. She knows everything. Right. All assumptions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:27

They don't even know she speaks English.

SPEAKER_04 45:29

Yeah. In my opinion, just fuck her at that point. She's just weird. Whoa, we don't even know her. I know what you mean. We know what you mean. She tries to escape. I'd be just like let her. Yeah, exactly. So our first kill here, I mean, we talked about the bodies in the chopper and stuff like that, but the second time she tries to escape, we get the first look at the predator as Hawkins goes after her and the predator kills Hawkins. Until then, they're still worried that she's going to give away their position while they're escaping. So can't kill her yet, or can't let her get away yet. Right. So Hawkins goes running after, and and then when they go to find Hawkins, like they don't even find him. They just find a pile of guts. Yeah. Blood's all over. And they're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 46:16

Oh, yeah. They follow him eventually.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

No, he's like. He's hanging upside down, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

But like it's like we're seeing the trees. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. But like the guts are like there's just a pile of guts where they're gonna get it. Like he was field dressed, yeah. Yeah. And shortly after this, Blaine, Jesse the Body, he gets shot by the predator. He was gonna shoot that weird like with lasers, because they say that like you know, the the wound is like cauterized, it's not there's no shrapnel. Um he gets shot in the back and it blows out his all the guts out the front. Amazingly memorable gory scene here. Yeah, he gets hit in the neck with something, he turns around, and then it's through the back. Yeah, just the exit wound is the front, which is huge. Huge guy collapses, you know. Yeah, yeah. So now they figure like they need to take a defensive position. Well, no, they still don't know what this is. This is this is Billy Duke. Yeah, basically grabs the yeah, this is where they go crazy and shoot the forest. Yeah, they actually get it. Billy says there's something out there and you know it ain't no man. And he says we're all gonna die.

SPEAKER_05 47:23

This is the first time they make him wait, are we talking about the gallant? We see him bleed, yeah. Mac hits him with his machine.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

Yeah. So they once they realize they can it bleeds, it's like they they say if it ble Arnold says if it bleeds, we can kill it.

SPEAKER_03 47:40

That's now how he said it. You have to do it.

SPEAKER_04 47:42

If it bleeds, we can kill it. There we go. And so they start doing all that Boy Scout bullshit, as Dylan says. They start setting traps. A little montage, trap montage. I'm down with it. A little montage, and then yeah, he's like, You could get that you could help with the rest of us, uh, whatever he says, tells them to basically help instead of complaining. Basically, they create a there's one way in that looks you know safe for this predator to come and get him because they can see there are other trip lines anyway.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

So we know where he's coming in.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

Yeah, and so they they catch it, they rig up this fucking snare, this net, and they catch it. And this thing goes up and that's when they should have all open fire. Yeah, I mean like a thousand rounds. Right. So it gets caught in this net and the predator blasts his way out of it pretty quickly, though. Yeah, Poncho, he he's pretty much done the log, the log thing they had rigged up that comes swinging down, like gets him right in the chest, breaks all his ribs, I'm sure. Right. And then Dylan, he finally sees it, Mac sees it, like off in the distance, you know, and they're like, you know, they can see it, they're standing there, like it's just like being real still, but he can see it. And then as like they try to get a little bit closer, you know, Mac gets a little bit closer and he comes out from like under a log. Well, poor Mac. Poor Mac. Just the crosshairs, it's like three dots are the crosshairs of the predator's laser black. Just on his head and just like on his arm first, yeah. He and Dylan were like, Yeah, I'm gonna go this way, flush out, and it'll come right to you if you're here. Right, and the predator probably heard them and said, Alright, I'm just gonna stand right here. And after the crosshairs are on his head, the can't they cut to the camera behind him? Juice the laser hits the front of his head, and the camera is just the blood splatter out the back of his head all over the lens. So the screen goes red, blood red for a second. It's which makes you assume there's incredible shot in his face, right? That makes you assume that's they show his face later. Right. Later, I was like, that's not what his face was. But they wanted to show all again, like all the blood, like they should have shown. They should have shown a no-brainer.

SPEAKER_05 49:53

Which like again, if this is the same laser that shot Arnold.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Wait, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 49:59

What is happening?

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Yeah, he did get hit at that point, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are we gonna talk about that now? Why does Arnold have?

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Well, wait, well, no, we still Dylan still gets it before that.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

So after that happens to Mac, Dylan's like, I'm gonna get this fucking thing. Two little MP5s, goddamn. Yeah, so so Dylan's got the machine gun. Dual wields after it, he's dual wielding, and predator shoots him in the shoulder and his arm falls off. Still pulling the trigger. The rounds are still firing, and so he uses his one good arm, these guys around turns around, but the predator is like making a beeline, like a linebacker, like coming down, you know, beating the edge, coming setting the edge, coming around, gets to the quarterback, and basically just like he pulls out one of those things that the uh that the lust guy in seven used, like that comes out of this guy's hands. Are you talking about like the the dick knife instead? Yeah, that's what that that's what comes out of the predator's hand is that same thing. Yeah, it wasn't a style. Yeah, he he made me fuck her. Um oh god. Oh shit. Horrible. So that comes out of Predator's hand, and then he just like jams it right into double one Dylan's chest cavity and just lifts him up with it. It's fucking crazy. And then you hear his like guttural, like and then Billy hears that as they're trying to get away, because we're still down now, we're down to Dutch, Billy, Pancho, and Anna. Right. So when Billy hears that, they're crossing this river on top of a big ass tree that fell over, like in King Kong.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

One way over.

SPEAKER_04 51:43

And Billy hears that and he just stops. And uh this somehow triggers him to basically be like, I'm done. I'm done. Last stands. He he senses something's bad's gonna happen. I don't know. Did you guys get a read? So when Billy turns and he starts like undressing, dressing down, and he pulls out the knife, which is the biggest goddamn knife I've ever seen. The fucking sword. It's like a chetty, yeah. Crocodile Dundee would be. That's a knife.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

Like, is he self-sacrificing for them to get away? I think it's a little bit of a or is it like hey, I'm gonna die anyway.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

I think he's like, I'm gonna make a I think it's also I'm appealing to him as a hand-to-hand battle type situation, right? Like because they notice that like they're not killing the predator's not taking out Anna, she's not armed. This must be like a sport thing. So I think Billy is saying, hey, let's do this. Me and you, no weapons. Yeah, here's my blood, you know. I think it's a yes. I think it's like he's slow.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

He's holding something on his neck and he rips it off. It's like some sacred sacred to him, to the Native Americans.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

This is cocaine, probably.

SPEAKER_04 52:53

Yeah. But I feel like if he was if this was a tactic to let the other three like get away, like get farther away, like take out the tree? I mean, well, I mean, they kill Billy. The predator kills Billy like ten seconds later. Right. Like he's right on them. Like he it's not like he's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna make him follow me this way. I think there was a missed opportunity. I think there was a missed opportunity for a nice three-minute battle, maybe. Like in Was it Predators where they're on the the game planet?

SPEAKER_03 53:21

That's the predator, I think.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

What?

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Or are we talking about it?

SPEAKER_02 53:26

The one with uh Tover. Where they all they wake up Adrian Broding Tover, yeah. They they all wake up and they're parachuting onto this planet, which is a a hunting preserve for the predators and shit.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

I forgot what the point I was gonna. Oh, so one of the scenes is the the Japanese Yakuza guy, he makes a stand like Billy does, and pulls out a sword that he had picked up somewhere else, and takes his shirt off, and you see all his tattoos, and has a showdown with one of the predators and fucking kills him, but he dies.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Right. I think that would have been a great scene. Yeah, you know, which works out to like maybe four or five minutes of giving those other people time to get away.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

Right, yeah, which really wouldn't make a difference. Or even if he was like said something like, I'm gonna hold him off for you guys, or something like that. I'm gonna allure him this way, like to note you guys are going south. I'm gonna allure him to the north.

SPEAKER_05 54:26

And that little fight scene could have like made it like dog soldiers where like he boxed that werewolf. That could have been like another thing where like he would have become my favorite character.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

Right, it was a missed opportunity, it would have been good. It was a yeah, they wasted that death a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:43

Cause they kill Billy in like 10 seconds. Billy cut cuts himself like across the chest to draw some blood, and then I mean he's just killed like right there. Where he just zooms in on him and done seconds, yeah, and then he's right on them because then Poncho goes down, he gets shot in the head as they're getting away. And then Dutch. We get the line. Huh? We get the line.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Get to the chopper. Get to the choppa.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

Here's here's where we can talk about the nitpick. Dutch gets hit basically in the same place Dylan does. Dylan's arm is blown off. Arnold gets hit in the same place, he just falls down, is like biceps covered in blood. So I have a maybe it was a glancing blow instead of a full arm? No, because like only one dot instead of three got on there, but I don't think this predator misses. Here's my theory.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

My theory is Dutch was identified as the ultimate challenge of this bunch. I know like none of them were a real challenge, but I think he wanted to, you know, take him out later in a different way. So he turned it down a little bit. Like turned it down to like a stun. Oh, okay. Except the stun, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 55:57

That's better than my theory. I just thought he was like secretly T1000. Yeah, because he's actually a predator.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Yeah, like Terminator. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been a good cross.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

A Terminator versus Predator? Terminator versus Predator. I mean, that'd be good.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Yeah.

unknown 56:12

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:12

Terminator wins.

SPEAKER_04 56:13

Terminator wins.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Well, depends. Terminator has like those different filters with his vision too, right? I would imagine.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

But if they could like burn the T eight hundred? Were you talking about? T one thousand.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

No, we're talking T eight.

SPEAKER_04 56:25

Two thousand Arnold's take a predator out in no time. Yeah, it would just like go right through him. Yeah. Yeah. Just turn into them. Yeah. Turn into a predator. Anyway. Basically. Child predator. Whoa. Like the meme. Like the meme.

SPEAKER_05 56:42

I'm child predator. Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 56:46

Oh, I remember the costume. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:48

So this is where you know Anna goes off to go get the chopper. Dutch goes off running. You know, he slides down a hill and ends up sliding off a cliff. Oh shit. Oh shit. Which was kind of classic 80s, like you're bro. Oh shit. So romancing the stone type shit. It's like exactly. Falls off this cliff into like the raging rivers below. The camera angle, when he it's a POV of going off the cliff, and there's like rocks. Right. But then when they have the wide angle shot of him falling, it's like he falls like with room to spare into the water. I'm like, dude, like where the camera went off, there's all rocks. Like there's no water.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

They shot that on a fun little like minecart kind of thing. Yeah. Obviously, the behind-the-scenes footage. So he just like made a little track and he was in the like a little cart and rolled down a hill with it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:38

Nice. Yeah. So uh we get him getting into the water and then he you know finally climbs ashore. He's dirty. He's safe, but then the predator just dips into the water right behind him. And but when he's climbing out, he's in the mud, and then he's covered in mud, and he realizes the predator can't see him because the predator with the heat vision, which which is really cool. Does he have to do it?

SPEAKER_03 57:59

On the heat vision, or does he try to distract himself in the like disguise himself in the branches and the vines and stuff? I think he's trying to camouflage.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

I know it that was just I think he he he's just sliding through mud and didn't get it, and then was trying to get away and sees the predator come in, and then I mean it was just something he had nowhere to go and no gas, nothing and he was just gonna die.

SPEAKER_05 58:25

Which I have a question. Like, so when the predator takes off his mask, everything's red. How did he distinguish Arnold?

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Because it seemed like he was kind of Right, he was at a disadvantage almost because that there's nothing clear in his vision.

SPEAKER_05 58:37

It was a lot of red, like then for some reason when it was all red, but then for some reason it turned Arnold like green, so it was like inconsistent almost.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

Well it was the the according to the shooting, it was like probably 100 plus degrees like in this thick ass. So to distinguish 98.6 versus 100, I'm sure it would be similar.

SPEAKER_05 58:58

But like it's just like then like so he started out red, but like then it showed like it showed some reason. Was he still muddy at the time? No. I think remember he's got a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

Yeah, without the helmet, I think it disarms him a little bit, which is part of it. Right. Which is part of the lore where I think he realizes like a fair like I mean yeah, like well, we can we can get there now, I guess. Because after he's covered in mud, like the last 30 minutes of this movie is amazing. It's amazing and it's the battle. It's prepping for the battle and the battle. Prepping for the battle. It's making bows and arrows, it's you know, flex, it's bending a tree branch over your back so you can flex and look good for a giant ass bow. Yeah, it's it's cool. You know, it's it's showing off the goods for like 10 minutes bright.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

Right.

SPEAKER_04 59:49

You know. But yeah, we get so like when the battle starts, I think they the predator realizes that he's like a a worthy adversary. Right. Yeah, and that's why I'm gonna take off the mask. I'm not just gonna shoot you with my right parrot on my shoulder or whatever. You know, my killer parrot. Yeah, so that's like I'm gonna take off the mask, and we're like mano, we're gonna fist fight. I think I think it's just part of it. Arnold takes out something, some kind of mechanics on his system that he wasn't able to use. But then he gets his ass kicked.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

He took out his cloak.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Yeah, okay, that's right. But then he gets his ass kicked, he gets held up against a tree, and that's the iconic like here's still a foot underneath his feet, and he's not even at the predator's head yet, kind of thing. So it's like he's quite a bit smaller.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

But yeah, that's when he decided I'm gonna take off my mask and let's let's do this, bruh.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

Yeah, like mono emo, the best you can. You know, there's so many good quotes here. It's the kill me, I'm right here, come on, do it, do it, and then you get you're one ugly motherfucker. Yeah, he sees the knives and stuff on the the trap, so he's like, I'm gonna go around your stupid trap. Yeah, but the trap doesn't fool him. Yeah, what's the trap that gets him? The log. Well, yeah, it was a second. Well, the log was a counterbalance for that trap. Right, yeah. It was gonna, you know, force he was gonna grab him and smush him up into those spikes. Yeah. When he's setting that trap, right? And when he's setting that trap, it that log is like fucking what uh 800. Well, he's using a he's using a pulley system. He's using a pulley system, but it's still heavy as shit. And it's being held together by like a twig in like a notch on another twig tree. Like it's come on. I think a little bit more, right? I gotta know the fact that it's Arnold, right? It's Arnold.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

It is Conan. There doesn't have to be talk about him.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:46

Dude, I mean, I love him. I'm just saying, I'm like, how is that twig keeping that 800-pound log from falling down? That's all. Don't worry about it. Science. It was okay science. He scienced it. Oh man. So yeah, you guys want to talk about the battle? I mean, it was a good battle. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he got his ass whooped and then he dragged himself through that tree. That's how he counted, you know. Uh, if he falls in the water at one point, so he loses the mind. Oh, yeah, of course. And you're like, oh fuck, he doesn't have the mud anymore, you know. That's when like he takes yeah, he takes off the helmet, and the vision like he he lights up fucking like a Christmas tree with uh.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

I think the it was intentional casting of the characters on like to be giant people, like Jesse the Body's a giant person, Arnold's a giant person, Carl Weathers is not your normal dude, like this is a muscular dude, and they've got ultimate weaponry, right? So like all that against the predator means nothing, right? So it was like that's kind of what this battle was. Like, you gotta be smarter, smarter than that predator, yeah. Willing to willing to look like a bitch for a little bit and crawl under do it now!

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

Kill me, do it, come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:02

You got one, Alex?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

No, no, I'm not gonna try it again.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:06

Alright, any more on the battle? We got is he like a world Olympian for like javelin? Because like he threw that like spear with the bomb on it, like oh yeah, at least 50 feet.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:18

The first one's bow and arrow, and the second one he just chucks it. The bow and arrow comes off the bow, so like the arrow comes off the bow, so like much different than actually a hit on the screen. Yeah, it goes like yeah, when it can comes off, you can tell like the weight, like it shakes it down right away. But then the camera goes like so. Are we continuing the battle to the explosion? Right, because basically the the he gets to the point where he after the come on kill me, and he doesn't fall for it, but then the law he drops the log on him. Predator's basically crushed, and then he's like, Hey, Predator's like the only thing he can do left is he flips open this little keypad on his wrist, his little his little plate sheet that uh quarterbacks carry. Yep, and he starts like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, a couple taps on the keypad, and then a countdown starts, and I because of the the numbers aren't in I don't want to say English, but they're not in numbers that we all know, they're in alien numbers. Yeah, but if you're gonna be able to do that. I don't think Arnold doesn't realize it's a timer until like two of those numbers are gone out of the four, and then he's like, Oh fuck, I better run. Yeah, that was the laugh. And then he starts doing the laugh. He starts doing the laugh. Well, he was doing the laugh, yeah. Oh during the fucking bomb goes off and could see it from gets away.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:33

Jumps to the water again.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:35

Yeah. And then yeah, he ends up getting to the chopper. And so did he animate it too. Yeah. And they fly off, and that's uh he looks like he looked like the end of platoon, man. It was like PT had seen some shit. Oh, they saw some shit for sure. The credits were kind of crazy. Credits were great.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:54

Because like just smiling, like it was on like a sitcom.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:58

It was amazing in the 80s. Credits were amazing. Top gun, they did this too. Like, I think what like the the Dutch one, the Arnold one, it is like the scene from the movie. He should have smiled, but like all the other ones, like Bill Duke is like offering you his flask, and like you know, Anna's like looking up smiling like I don't get it. Get that one. Like Jesse Ventura like does the spit with the big you know and then smiles at the camera. Like, it's amazing. I love it. I I love I love credits like that, like just reminding you like this person was this guy, this person was this guy. Here they are, like looking their best. And I don't know, I love it. I wish more movies would do it. If I was a movie maker, I would do it. It's so cool. It's kind of cheesy to me. And uh I I mean I love it. The faculty, faculty did it, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I like it a lot. I'm not a fan. I like it a lot. So do you guys have a favorite guy or girl in the crew?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:58

Yeah, yeah, is it? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Who? Hawkins is that because the jokester. Yeah. It's Billy for me. Billy. Billy, huh? Billy was uh Hawkins, we got a Billy. What about you, Justin?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Oh, I mean, I would it would have been Billy for me if he had an epic fight with that predator. But like other than that, like him knowing like him being the first to notice the stuff in the trees and stuff. I like that in the character Carlwethers, probably, even though he was the one that set him up because you know, I'd had history with Rocky. Yeah, he did. He was you set us up. Yeah, right. But yeah, I mean, it was just like, you know, he was a cool guy, and then he he died going, you know, with the epic death there. Yeah. Kind of made up for all the shenanigans. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

He yeah, he was like, I'm gonna try to go get even. That's what he said. What about you, Mike? I I wish there was more Jesse the body in this. I wanted more painless, like just cutting down the fucking jungle, the Gatling gun. I wanted more just like spitting the chew and just I I feel like he could add some great lines, and like he was the second one killed, and uh it sucks. Like Atticus, I could have used a few more pussy jokes. They could have let Hawkins hang around a little bit more, maybe make him like the third one killed instead of first. Right. Kill Poncho first. Yeah, Poncho could have gone first easily.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:21

Where did Poncho even contribute? Like getting the girl and acting creepy, like he did get to tell Jesse to die.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:28

Yeah, he got time to joke. That was good. That's like his can his one contribution.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

Mac had some epic lines too, though. Like he was, I'm gonna cut your name into them. Yeah, he was ride or die for this guy. Yeah, you ghost him, you're ghosting us.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

I'll bleed you out real quick. I'll bleed you, I'll bleed you out real slow, yeah, real quiet.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Yeah, I'll be saying. So he was, I mean, I think he kills that boar.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

He does. Yeah. Could any actors have replaced anyone in the crew? Yes. So I like I I think we're talking about Poncho is the one that's replaceable, right? Hawkins Hawkins, maybe? Here's the question could anybody else be Dutch? Like, I can't like seriously.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:14

What about you gave us an example of Dolph Longrid or whatever? He could be like size-wise, like he's an imposing looking dude. Yeah, but like delivery aligns.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:25

So do these guys have to be American? I guess not. They always they always make like Arnold's American and they have to explain his accent away. Yeah. Some shit like Commando, they have to explain his accent for some reason. Chuck Norris, you mentioned too in your questions to us, and Delta Force was great, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

So like he could play in that group, and maybe if it were a little earlier, he could have been the lead of something like this, but it's not the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:49

Yeah, no. Lou Ferrigno? Nah. Dude's massive. Unfortunately, the movie with massive. He could be in there, but he couldn't be Dutch. He's not saying there's the Dutch part. I'm just saying, like in like replace somebody in the crew with like Jesse the Bonnie or something with or I would really I would replace Poncho with like Wesley Snipes, like another wise cracking. Yeah, Wesley Snipes can be a few something. But Lou Frigno it's he'd almost come off like an Andre the Giant kind of guy. You know, the voice, the acting is I mean, Wesley Snipes too is probably too small, though, to be honest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

In a movie with the bigger. Replace Poncho with Wesley, it'd be fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

Yeah. Yeah. But like for igno's a Ferrigno could do like the Bill Duke part, maybe. Mac. Like soft spoken, but like man a few words, but when he talks, it fucking means something. Yeah, but that guy's a good actor, new for you. Bill Duke's a great actor. Then you're taking away the best actor at the moment. But you're putting you're just putting another big hulking for lack of better terms, a hulking fucking dude in there. Yeah. No pun. Because he's the Hulk. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:53

What if we're like recasting this like in present day?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:55

Today. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:56

What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:57

I mean, it's here's what they'd do. They would mess it up by putting The Rock in Arnold's role, and like The Rock would have this like deal in his contract where I can't be hit more than once in the movie, and like yeah, they would ruin it.

unknown 1:10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:09

I mean, they think they did this, like, this would be like the expendables, right? It'd be like Jason Steele, it'd be Dolph Lungren, it'd be sliced alone, right? You'd have to have somebody that doesn't mind getting it. They even said there's a lot of the movie. Arnold says to Dylan, like, we're expendable, right? Or he tells them like we're not expendable. My men aren't expendable. Yeah, and then they fucking made the movie The Expendable. You're an asset, Dutch. Yeah. When are you gonna get it? Right. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like I don't know. I don't know if you can remake it. This I mean, Hemsworth is like well, Hemsworth, it would be Is it the is everything just like Marvel now? Because who's the all the big guys like Chris Evans, Chris Pratt? They're like muscle bound, like healthy guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:55

Because of the movies, the Predator movies that have come out since that you can't remake the first thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

You just continue on. Yeah, just a different story. You don't remake it. You don't need to. I mean, they're putting out blockbuster sequels. Yeah. They're making a lot of money. Eventually they're gonna need to remake it though. Nah, I don't think they need to. I think they just continue sequeling it. Yeah. I don't think anybody, I don't there's no actors besides The Rock that are enormous enough probably to fill some of these shoes. Like Hemsworth, guys aren't on roids anymore, like these guys. That's true. Like Hemsworth is big, but and like The Rock's big, but like even like John Cena might be too small to be one of these. I don't know. But anyway. Do we think Anna was necessary to the plot?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:45

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

No. When they say like leave her after they realize they lied about her mission, like why not? Yeah, fucking.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:51

I'm gonna say the only purpose her character served was to show that the predator isn't after people that just normal people, it wants to hunt hunters.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:04

That that was it. And she was a good device to split the group up early on, right? Slow them down. So she becomes an obstacle, another obstacle for them. That's all it really is, like a plot device for that. So if like I think in theory, if all six people were on their A plus guard, maybe they have would have a better chance of avoiding. Yeah. Yeah. Because she kind of gets Hawkins killed, right? And she does get Hawkins killed. She gets some exposition of like what happens when it's hot and this year's like. She's the hottest years, which it does it raises the stakes a little bit, I guess. Like that we also have to get her to the chopper. Like she is not an elite force like we are. She's we have to rescue her now. Yeah. They even threw that in. Like Arnold kicked a gun out of her hand or the sword or whatever she was holding, not sword machete or whatever, kicked it out of her hand. Like, no. Because was it? Okay. Yeah. Don't identify yourself as a fighter. We may have needed her. We didn't really need her. Yeah, we didn't need her. Which kill was best? We got uh Hawkins. Well, Hawkins was just shot, right? Yeah. We got take your pick of the 50-some girl. Dylan. I'm going to Dylan. You're going. Blaine was the one shot in the back and it comes out the chest. Yeah. The one I remember. Yeah, the skinned bodies hanging up, but we don't see the I think the predators. The predator blows himself up. Him getting killed. I mean, he was Dutch killed him.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:38

Yeah. But the Dylan's arm still shooting the submachine gun. Yeah, that was really cool. Yeah. So that's my vote, but like there's no right answer.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:47

How about I mean, so we didn't talk about it, but but Billy getting killed was short, but we do get the aftermath of Oh yeah. The predator brings him up into the tree and pulls his spine out from his back with his skull. And takes the carcass out of the tree. Yeah. And he holds he like waves around the you know, waves it up in the air like he's like it's a trophy, and then he like slams the skull down and like uses something from one of his fucking trees. Yeah, he like cleans them up, like sprays it's a trophy, yeah. Yeah, because it skulls a trophy. I mean, that was that was gnarly. That was pretty cool. And that says it was it was a good fight, even though it didn't seem like it was a good fight.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

And it happened so quickly, and we it was off camera. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

Right, because well, he had a couple other skulls, so I'm wondering if they were also good opponents. But like he took Hopkins' body, so like it's like it was kind of like is he keeping track of every kill that he did, or no, I don't know. Yeah, that predator needs to make his intentions better.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:53

He he's not a serial killer, he doesn't have a calling card, you know. Like he leaves some of them skinned and hanging up, he leaves some of them just their remains, he rips out some of their spines. I guess he's you know doesn't have like one specific thing that he does every time.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:09

He should have an MO.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

Yeah, you know. They didn't find semen in any of them, they didn't mention that. Well, the with the heat vision on the he was the blue red or the blue light. Yeah, Dylan, Dylan might be the best though, because he get one gets his arm shot off, the the the shot off arm is still shooting the gun, but then he also gets the the claws like into the the blades, whatever, like into the he wolverines, like the wolverine blades into his chest and like lift it up in the air. It's pretty good. Could you hit could you escape this? And keep in mind that six out of seven of the elite best of the best special forces folks did not survive this. I will say no. Hey, I wouldn't have had a gun, so I would have totally survived.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:55

If like they had me on the team, everyone would survive. So fucking hope. Get out.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

I mean, I would have believed, I would have been like, hey Billy, what you looking at? Like, I believe you, man. You haven't led us astray. Let's let's figure the shit out. I'm I'm gonna stand there looking at that spot as long as you are. Shoot where you think it is. Right. Show me what they do eventually.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:16

He just started mowing down the whole jungle for like 30 straight seconds. Yeah. At one point. They do they do clip him a little bit. No is the answer to that question. If you were put on this team, was the question. Yeah, the answer is no. I can't lift an 800-pound tree stump. I can't do all that boy scout bullshit. Not within the boy scouts. Pick for yourselves.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

I mean, maybe I cover myself in mud and like just quietly escape.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:41

That's what I was thinking. Run to the chopper.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:43

Go to the chopper on the chopper. What is that? They even said that chopper's like 10 to 12 miles away. Like, I ain't getting that far. Dude, in those woods, that would take like a lot of things. Then they even say that, like, like, doesn't uh I wouldn't wish that Blade say like this shit's worse than Cambodia. He says, I wouldn't wish that on a broke dick dog. Dumbest character. What do you guys got? I say Dylan because he gives the phony reason for all the guys to get there. Yeah, that's true. Gets everyone except Dutch killed. You don't mess with somebody. Well, it's not stupid. I mean it's deceptive. He got what he wanted.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

Subterfuge.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:23

Dumbest. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:24

Any other dumb character? Anna. Well, the two stars. Keep trying to escape. Like these people obviously can protect you, but she kept trying to run away.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:31

Here's a dumb character. The two-star general riding in the helicopter back.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:35

I'm like, the two-star general's not going to be riding in the helicopter to go pick that up. Oh my god. No way. Yeah. Yeah. They need to keep the they didn't have money for more cars because their budget was 15 million. I guarantee you they just told some of those gorillas to get back in this costume.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

Yeah, Carl and Arnold for sure. Right. Yep. But I think, yeah, they they recycled gorillas. They're like, okay, you're gonna be in this scene, this scene, and this scene. You know getting oh for sure. Probably had 10 gorillas.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

It's kind of like an 18 episode eight team episode that people got. Um body count. I know it. Yeah. You guys want to guess it?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:16

15. 70.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

I'm gonna go with 30. 70. 30. 30. Charlie's the winner. It's 76.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:24

All the rebels, man, 54.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:26

54 gorilla soldiers in the raid of their camp. Nice. 54 of them just in that scene. Or 10 that they used five times. I Lola barred that. 76 total. Yeah. How about the gore score here?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:39

I'll give it a seven and a half.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:41

Seven points.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:42

Yeah, it's poor.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:43

I said there's an empty cabin. The empty chest cabin hanging stuff, skinned people, skin. A freaking spinal cord being ripped out or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

Yeah, spine being ripped out, skull, bloody skulls, headshot. Just piles of guts in some scenes just sitting there like oof. Yeah. Seven. Yeah. Justin, seven. Seven sounds good to me. Seven, seven, seven. Seven, seven. All right. Seven it is. Some fun facts. What's in the box? Give it like seven years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the second reference to a seven. Yeah, well, yours was a little crazier. Dude, the lust guy is wild, man. That was crazy. So some fun facts. In the internet research, the weightlifting stuff on set sounds absolutely insane. Like oh, yeah. So like there's I think there was a costume a costume designer told Jesse Ventura that his biceps were an inch bigger than Arnold's. Yeah. So he bet Arnold like a bottle of champagne that they were, and they went and measured them, and Ventura lost. Like three inches put the costume guy up to it. Yeah, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

But it was like two inches or three inches smaller.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:01

Yeah. If you watch, have you guys seen Pumping Iron, the documentary? Yeah. A long time ago. It's so good. And if you watch that, it is 100% something Arnold would do. Oh, yeah. Shit like this. Wasn't he talking about mind games about shit like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

Isn't there a scene in there where he's like Lou Ferrigno is having breakfast or his parents?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

With his parents, and Arnold's there. Arnold comes and gives him shit. Yeah. Arnold's having breakfast with Lou Ferrigno and Lou Ferrigno's parents. And like, I don't know. He's just talking shit. Like it's all friendly stuff, but then he'll throw like a jab in there. He'll be like, you need to come live with me if you want to get better at this. Like, yeah. Or he'll like he sees like he's eating something. He's like, you need to be eating salmon instead of that. Like he just throws these little jads in there. Just all mind games. Just so that when he gets up on stage, that he doesn't like you know flex as like flex exactly the way you need to for the judges and whatnot. It's you know, it's so good. That's such a good documentary. Love it. Highly recommend anybody watching that. It's a good one. Guys were one upping each other to get to the gym. So like one guy would get to the gym and they all wanted to be the first one there. So they were one-upping each other to try to beat the other people there until they were getting there at like three in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:17

For workout sessions. Sonny's probably out in a bar fighting. Right. Carl Weathers told the guys that his body was God given, that he didn't lift. So he only worked out when absolutely nobody else was around. Like the mind games legitimate. I don't know. I don't go to the gym. I'm not a bro like this, but like the mind games around the how you work out and your body and all this stuff. I'm just like, this is just insane shit. Like, oh, this is God given. I don't live. They're all probably like, bullshit. It's probably like, no, seriously. But no, definitely not. Let's see. Apparently, like everyone got super sick from drinking the water in Mexico, and they all got like diarrhea. Plus, like the heat and every like everybody got sick while they were filming this. It was probably a terrible experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:08

Didn't they have to bring in like where they were filming? It was it was brown.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:15

It was like the the foliage was not green enough, so they like brought in. Yeah, this time of the year, like the all the foliage was brown. They brought in green stuff. Yeah. You can tell in like the first couple of scenes where it's like a lot of green, but like through the green, you just see all brown. You could see the like you could see the pots that they're stuck into. Or they would fall over. They had to do some retakes because some of the plants would just fall over. Yeah. Mythbusters, they busted the mud scene. Basically, they did a thing on their show, finding out that if you're covered in mud, it actually makes you hotter and show you show up brighter. Well, they don't know what kind of mud that was.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:52

I mean, yeah, my mythbusters.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:54

I mean, when he first comes out of the water, always making our favorite movies. Maybe, you know, not what they really are. Or maybe that's what it was. Maybe he was then matching how hot it was down there. I don't know. Basically, they took someone, covered him in mud, and we're like, you're actually hotter than what the camera shows you are. Yeah, that's funny. Definitely show up. But if the air temperature is 100 degrees, oh, and the water and you're 98.6 degrees. Or we go the other way. We're invisible.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:22

This is cold mud. Yeah, yeah, cold mud. That's what I was thinking. But if you get cold, it makes you hotter. How would that make sense though? It's cold.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:30

No, in the fight scene, he's dry. The mud is dry. I don't know. Watch Mythbusters. Mythbusters is hotter.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:38

You know what they should change the name is to Dream Crushers, is what they should change the name of the show to.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:43

Actually, it'd be like DeLoreans can't travel through time, guys. What? Have you seen Back to the Future? All DeLoreans can't, just one. Explain Back to the Future. Yeah. The grenade launcher that's mounted on Arnold's rifle is a prop. It's the same prop from Scarface in the say hello to my little friend scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:04

Say hello.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

And it's a uh 12-gauge shotgun blanks, is what they use to make the muzzle flash for those. Nice. Yeah. The M134 minigun painless that Jesse the Body Ventura carries around. Oh, we mentioned this one. In reality, they have to slow down the film because it rotates so fast. A person can only carry about six seconds worth of ammo, and a second person man's a 100-pound battery behind it. It's ridiculous to have out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:32

That's all I got for fun facts. You guys got anything else? I got nothing. I think I worked a couple into the thing. No, no more fun facts. Horror Hall of Fame. Director John McTiernan. Not for horror, but incredible directors.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:46

Great director. Action movie Hall of Fame. If we were in charge of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:50

We're not in charge of that one, though. Not yet. We run out of horror movies. And then we gotta do a wrestling podcast, and then we can do the action movie podcast. Right. Is the killer a Hall of Famer? The Yelcha. Yauchas are mortal, right? There's more than one of these. Is that what they're called? The Yalchas. Yeah, yeah. Sadlands, they just are from the So there are multiple predators. Named after what you say when they get you with the like Prey takes place in the 1700s. Yeah. And they're yeah. So like they are there's multiple predators. I mean, yeah, I think character design is a yes. It's a thousand percent. It's iconic.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:28

It's and we know that it's in the same universe as Alien.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:33

They're making 40 years later the same basic design, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:37

It's in a long, long going franchise. So yeah. I say the Yaucha as a mortal villain is a Hall of Famer. Yaucha, more like Yaucher. Yauza. Yauza.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:49

Um you guys stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:51

Are any of our heroes or protagonists here Hall of Famers? I mean, the Dutch is a strong candidate, which I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:00

I haven't seen Badlands.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

This movie, because it's so on the line, like it's barely a horror movie. Oh, so that's gonna pull it back a little bit. I feel like that affects Yeah. So, like, is Kevin McAllister a Hall of Fame Christmas movie character? Yeah. Dutch is doing Kevin McAllister for the last 30 minutes of this movie. Yeah. And a little bit in the middle, too. But and what's her name in Namaran Elm just? Yeah, Nancy. Nancy, yeah. Yeah. Put Dutch on the short list. We'll discuss it down the road. Great character. Great character. Like if he was in Thing instead of McCready, he'd be in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:41

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:47

Pick some movie props that you want to nominate for a lot of things. Calling gun. Painless. Painless. The shoulder cannon. The shoulder cannon, the mask, the arm. How about the whole costume? The whole suit. The whole suit. The predator suit. The dreads.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:02

The hanging well, maybe not the hanging bodies.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:05

But the spinal cord and head. Oh yeah. Probably skull. Yep. Hang that upside down, you're like, oh, I know what that's from, probably. Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:14

Texas changed on mask. What about the bic razor that Bill breaks on his face?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

Maybe if it's broken with like an arm with an MP button.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:27

Oh, the arm with the MP button. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:29

The arm front. With the gun.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:32

It has to have the gun. With the black glove and the gun. What about a big old pack of shoe? Big old package. Sexual tyrannosaurus. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:44

I mean Thoughts on the Predator franchise as a whole.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:51

I only haven't seen one of them. So I mean people like to shit on the case.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:56

Well there's like a mini series too, isn't there? Didn't they do so? You're thinking of Alien Earth.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:01

Alien Yeah. See, I love Predator. I did not like Predator 2. I liked Predator Earth. That was fine. And I basically gave up. So, like Alien vs. Predator, I haven't seen. Really? No, I'm sorry. I watched Prey. Prey I did watch. Did you even say Easy? Otherwise I gave up. Oh, and I watched Predators. I like that one. Predators is the one with the Predator dogs. The one Shane Black wrote, The Predator, I did not like that one. So I basically like after Predator 2, I was like, Alien versus Predator. Because they also I didn't like Alien 3. So like when it was Alien versus Predator, I'm like, I'm not watching that garbage. Then they did Predators and I'd already given up. But then like I went and saw The Predator, didn't like it. But then Prey, I'm like, okay, this is gonna be a completely different story. You're right. I did like Prey. Arguably the best one.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:52

I'm going to say The Predator is the one I did not like. Predators.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:56

Is that the one with uh Key?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:57

Yeah, Key and Michael Keyes and Olivia Mods. So Predators from 2010 was fun. And that's the one that Adrian Brody. Yeah, Adrian Brody. Yeah, I like that one a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:07

I've got it on Blu-ray. Do you have a Blu-ray player? Yes. Okay, I can let you borrow.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:12

AVP. So good. That's the first one. One of the AVPs was good.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:15

The other one was not good. I've only seen the first one. There's the first one where they're in the pyramid. And then the second one Alien vs. Predator Requiem. And you haven't seen that one? Isn't that the one where like it's an alien makes hybrid?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:26

Yeah, it's an alien makes hybrid with a predator, and like, uh ba-ba.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:30

Yeah. What was like?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:33

Uh ba-ba.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

Well, guys, I don't think we're, you know, I don't know how many more Arnold Schwarzenegger horror movies we're gonna do. It's your last chance to get your best Arnold. End of days is kind of horror, but I don't know if we're ever gonna get to it. Maybe at the end of days we'll get to it. Anybody ever watches it?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:51

Running man? Is it a dystopian future action closer to this? It is barely.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:00

This is closer to a slasher than I think running man is to a horror. Fair enough. No, but it would be like a escape room or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:10

So like you see the thing here, the theme of I'm gonna stop. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:19

You son of a bitch. Sorry. I have to get it in. Alright. Some damn fool said that you guys were the best. Our next host on All Goods So Gory is Charlie. That would be me. Chaz Cortez. Give us your pick for your film you'd like to review.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:41

Next one that I'm gonna do. I'm gonna bring back Mary. Something about Mary from the Strapper. I mean, people loved that episode. Yeah, loved it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:53

They listened to the episode, and Mary was great on it. And she likes this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:00

I like this movie. You like this movie. It's the 2019 R-rated one hour and 35 minutes, Samara wearing, weaving, weaving, close enough, nuance, great movie, ready or not.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:14

And the sequel, Ready or Not Here I Come, is coming out soon. I love Ready or Not.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:20

I thought it was gonna be like Dawn of the Dead 2.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:24

I'm gonna redo Dawn of the Dead. The remake. Make you part of the episode, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:30

You should watch the remake. It's good. It is pretty good. They cut down some of the you don't like.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:35

Well, it's a different bit of house. It's a little there's them all, but it's different. Anyway, ready or not. Ready or not?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:41

Ready or not. Here I come. I'm gonna find you. Yeah. Well, then we won't make any G song references during this.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:51

Which uh no, I'm gonna talk about it on the episode, but like Ready or Not may have arguably the best ending scene out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

You're not wrong. It is good. May have one of the best ending scenes. It's good. It's good. Yeah. We'll have lots of things. We're gonna do it. Alright. Ready or not coming up next week. Might have to get Sarah's opinion on that one too. That might be the first time our world's cross there. The wives cross the streams. We're still waiting for uh Mary Marie to come with this one. Yeah, we got we got one picked out for. We just gotta pick a good weekend for it to work because you know, life. Life, yep, life is kidding us. I love life. I love lamp. I love lamp. I gotta get Teddy on one of these. Exactly. Uh Teddy, what'd you think about Terrifier 2?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

It kind of jumped the shark.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:44

Oh man. All right, you guys. Well, thank you so much for listening to the All Guts So Gory podcast. If you like what we do here, the best thing you can do is rate and review wherever you get your podcast, especially if you listen on Spotify. Make sure you follow us on there. You don't want to miss your favorite horror movies being broken down by us. Ready or not, coming up next week. We'll have a mini episode in there as well. And yeah, this was Predator from 1987. Mike, you forgot to mention you just started in OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:15

Afraid not.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:16

Well, it's called All Guts So Horny.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:20

All nuts so horny.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:22

All nuts are gory. You know, I didn't, but now I might. Pan pending. Oh man. For Justin, Charlie, Atticus, I'm Mike. Thank you all so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:35

Do it. This is all we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:38

Get to the chopper. Andy, take us home.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:44

This is the end friend.