The 2026 AGSG Horror Hall of Fame Short List - 1st Half

The guys take a look back at the last 6 months of movies they've reviewed on the All Guts, So Gory Podcast, and talk about which of their Horror Hall of Fame suggestions gets onto the short list for consideration in the 2026 class, coming in October. Heroes, villains, the directors who bring them to life, and the props that make them special. 

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

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Welcome to the All Guts So Gory podcast. My name is Mike, joined as always by Justin and Charlie, and we are celebrating our six-month anniversary, guys. Cheers, genitals. Genitals. Oh, gentlemen. Suck Geno, gentlemen. Uh, yeah, six months of doing our podcast. This is episode 48. We've covered 30 movies to this point. And if you're new to our podcast, back when we first started, we did an inaugural class of a horror hall of fame, which we plan to build as this podcast grows and grows and grows. We cover more movies. We plan on building our own little horror hall of fame. If you have not checked out our horror hall of fame episode before, what are you doing? Go back and check that out. Or do it. Or not. We probably sucked five months ago when we were still new to this. But what we did was we compiled a Mount Rush score for six categories. Those are four directors, four male and female protagonists, four mortal and immortal villains, and four horror film props that we put in our inaugural all gut so gory horror hall of fame class. Guys, do you remember what was in the class? Do we want to recap that for the crowd real quick?

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Most of you guys? I remember most of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I don't remember anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Barry Bonds was in the oh, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Ricky Bobby? Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Pete Rose, Raphael Palmero. Yep. Sammy Sosa.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Oh, yeah. All the uh they can't get in the regular ones.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

There's Noma in there. Noma Garcia Paul.

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So here's what we got for our horror hall of fame inaugural class. I'll run it down real quick. Our four Mount Rush Gore directors: John Carpenter, Wes Craven, Alfred Hitchcock, and Sam Raimi. Mortal villains. These are villains that could be killed. They are human, animal, alien, what have you. This would be Jaws from that one movie with the shark, or whatever it's called. Leatherface, Leatherface of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs, and Jack Torrance from The Shining. Our male protagonists, our Mount Rush Gore there is Chief Brody from Jaws 1 and 2, Father Karis from The Exorcist, RJ McCready from The Thing, and Ash Williams of Evil Dead 1 and 2, Army of Darkness, etc. Our immortal villains. These are villains that are evil incarnate. They resurrect. You chop them into a million pieces, somehow they come back. This is Chucky, Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees. Pretty standard. Our female protagonists. These are our female heroes in horror movies. These are this is Sydney Prescott from five of the Scream movies. Whoa, what was that, Charlie?

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Nothing, but Sydney, Sydney F and Prescott. Of course, I have a gun, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Right. Ellen Ripley from Alien, Aliens, Alien Three, etc. Lori Strode. Yeah, Resurrection. Lori Strode, the uh Halloween franchise, played mostly by played by Jamie Lee Curtis, and Nancy Thompson of Nightmare on Elm Street, 1-3, and New Nightmare. And then the props are four props that made it into the Hall of Fame and Auditor class is Freddie's Finger Knives Glove, obviously, Jason's hockey mask, iconic, Michael Myers mask, iconic, and the Necronomicon, the Book of the Dead from the Evil Dead. What we're doing from this point forward with our Hall of Fame is inducting members based on the movies that we've covered on this podcast. So we will have our formal class of 2026 later down the road in October. But considering that we're halfway there, we want to create a short list to take with us into the second half of the year, which we'll create another short list. And that will be the list that we'll make our Hall of Fame inductions for 2026 from. We had extended discussions on a lot of these characters and villains and props on the podcasts that we did. So you can go back in our library and check those out. So we're going to try to motor through this. Uh we have 26.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Motorboat.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

No. 26 films with 26 films with nominees. So we're going to spend limited time on each. We spend a lot of time on these on our pods. We're going to spend limited time on each of these. Guys, do you have anything you want to lead off with before we get started, or should we just dive right into this thing?

SPEAKER_02 5:18

I mean, I want to start by saying I did not agree to motorboat anybody.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

So film the house. I would like to say that since we're going to be using just the movies that we're going to have on the pod this year, that that's going to kind of affect the movies that I pick in the future because I have an immortal character that has to go in. It probably should have gone in in the in the inaugural class, but I wasn't thinking about it. But I'm going to have to pick a movie that this character is in just so it can make the short list. And there's no way this character is not going to make it in.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

And if you're worried about that, Mike, don't worry. He's not going to write down that he's going to do that. So he's not going to remember to pick the movie. He's going to pick up.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

It's like I'm in a in momentum. Momentum. Momento. Memento.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

He's going to be like, next week I'm picking Maniac Top 2, bitches.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Martyrs 3, bitch. I was going to say, Charlie we already did Martyrs. You don't have to pick that one again. There, though all those characters are safe. Yeah. So, and I'm the I'm in the same boat as you, Charlie. Like, I'm a big David Cronenberg fan, and we've not done a David Cronenberg movie yet. Yeah. So he's not going to be on this short list we're going to make today because we haven't covered him yet. Good news is, as you mentioned, you prefaced that we're not inducting anybody today.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

We're not going to be able to do that. We're just recapping all. We're recapping our working list from the ones that we've done so far. And it may shape where we're going with this.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Exactly. Yeah. And yeah, and it'll definitely form which movies we pick for the second half of our first year here to try to create a very worthy Hall of Fame class for sure. All right, guys, are you ready? Okay. I'm ready. All right. The very first film that we covered on this podcast is John Carpenter's The Thing. John Carpenter and RJ McCready are already in our Hall of Fame. That leaves us with props. And the one prop that we narrowed down on our short list from the thing was the Norris Spider Head prop. Maybe the most memorable thing in action in the movie. The practical effects were amazing for 1982. It's downright disgusting. It's unmistakable where it's from, which maybe should kind of be the benchmark for our props candidates, right? Like you see it, you'd be like, oh, that's the thing. Like you see it, you know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah. If there's one thing that we constantly come back to on the props, it's like if somebody put that on a table with no like labels or anything, we could pick that out. We'd be like, that's the thing for sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Right, right. Like a machete. You you that there's a lot of machetes in a lot of movies.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

There's a lot of machetes in a lot of movies, but the first thing that comes to your mind is probably one, right? It's probably our friend Hassan Borges. Yes, machete.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yes. So yeah, so this is one from our short list. Guys, do we want to keep this on the short list for the second half? The spiderhead prop.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

It's it's it's between that and I don't know if we we talked about the freaking stomach opening up. If that was a prop, I don't know if that's too big to be a prop, but that the the mouth stomach is amazing. Like it's those two things are the most memorable parts of that entire movie in my book. Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

It's a tentpole movie with Hall of Mount Rush Gore director, hero. It has to, it has to be on the short list.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

I mean but next year I might even throw out one of those dogs that was gooing all over everybody, man. That's like as far as practical effects, this is like a master class. So it's it's it's yeah, whatever you pick from this, but spider head fits best in the prop room, I think.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Absolutely. Yep, agreed. All right, so we'll carry that one forward. All right, the next film that we covered, Charlie, this one was your pick, so I'll let you lead, I'll let you lead off with Dawn of the Dead and George A. Romero for director.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

I'm still salty that he didn't make it in the first class because he was my pick, and we made a side deal. Um I mean, I felt like a representative in the in Congress from our state, where I was like, okay, you can drill for oil, but I get to chop down all of your trees. And I gave up George Romero. Like, who doesn't know who in horror, who is a person who says, I'm a horror fan, and doesn't know who George Romero is?

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Are we sticking to props or is this all things from each movie that we're gonna talk about? From each all the ones that we whittled down.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Okay, all things.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Right. We we already covered. I mean, there's props that could come in from this movie, but I mean, the director is should have been in the first initial class.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

I mean we felt pressured into putting Alfred Hitchcock in this thing, even though it's it's not really the movies we're watching or recommending, but like he's you know, he's he's uh such a name, and that's why I was like, maybe we should name the category the Alfred Hitchcock.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

And that's kind of too late. That's kind of the thing. Like, you don't have to be a horror fan to know who Alfred Hitchcock is. Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

And the influence he had on everybody, probably literally everyone else. That's that he had to be in, I agree, but you know maybe it'd be I think when you have Carpenter, Craven, Hitchcock, and Raimi, and we were putting four in, Romero and Raimi, maybe you could interchange, and then maybe we're putting Sam Raimi in this time. Yeah, I I think I I said uh George A. Romero's on the shortest of lists, we'll put it that way.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

I think the deal was Raimi's in, I'll give you Romero. Ow. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yeah. His of the dead films, they walked so that like trained Busan, World War Z, they could run, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Literally, they are running. Literally, those are the those are the running zombie movies.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Yep. All right. Justin, next up is A Nightmare on Elm Street. A lot of stuff already in. Wes Craven is in. Freddie is in. Nancy Thompson is in. Freddie's glove is in as a prop. So the props that we have left, we talked about Freddie's just entire outfit. This the hat, the sweater, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Sweater and the hat. If we're having like a special section of our hall of fame, our our you know, our mental hall of fame or digital, whatever we're going to do with this, and we have mannequins, and you see that shirt, and you see that hat on a mannequin, it is instant one, two, Freddy's coming for you, right? So I think if that's like a wing in with the props, outfits, then yeah, for sure, it's on the short list. Also, I mean, we gotta give props to the the landline phone where the big old mouth and tongue comes out and says, I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:43

That's that one's in too. That one is on the short list. We were gonna talk about that one too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

The only thing I have about that, the only problem I have about the mouth, the tongue in the mouth is that I forgot about it until I rewatched it. That's fair. I mean, that's a fair point. And and the outfits, I mean, people are like, well, that's not a prop. Just think about it. Like in the Smithsonian, they have outfits from stars and they put them on mannequins, you know, like the Marilyn Monroe dress is in there.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Draper's suit, I think, is in there, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Draper suit is in there.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

The Cassie sweater.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Yeah, that's not your joke, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

That's not your between two ferns joke, yeah. And it's a great one. It's a great joke.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

So I, you know, this kind of like smooth it over, folks, calm down. It they are props. And if you saw the hat and the sweater on a mannequin anywhere, if it was at the grocery store, we're like, what the fuck's the Freddie Krueger outfit doing at the grocery store?

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Right. I think I I think I brought this up. I bought a a sweater from American Eagle, and it had like it was like a brown and like green stripe thing, and but like I I could wear it once, and then I got laughed out because people were calling me Freddie. I was like, I can't wear this anymore, man. So it's like like it is yeah, it is fully ingrained into our pop culture and everything. Yeah, I mean, we can't put a bloody gushing bed in there, and we can't put jerseys in there. I know Mike Mike wants a whole wing for jerseys.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Well, I mean, that's where we're gonna decide like what is cool to have and what is actually like a hall of fame item, you know. Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Well, yeah, I would say the hat and the uh the sweater, I mean, are no-brainers.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Definitely. Yeah, it's it's unmistakable. Like Jason, Jason has like a number of outfits. He wears overalls in one movie, he's wearing like Carhartt jackets and Dickies in another movie. He's wearing leather from head to toe in other ones. Like Freddie's drip never changed. I see that one. Oh, Jason Part 8, he's in like leather from like part six through eight, he's in leather. I thought you watched Jason Triple X instead of uh not not Jason the Gimp, no.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Gosh. Anyway. Who's up next? Oh, it looks like one of yours.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah, so next up is was uh my pick, and it's the film Terrifier. So we got Damian Leone for director, Art the Clown for Immortal Villain, props including the bike horn, art's little hat, the hacksaw from the signature kill in the original terrifier. Art the clown is in the conversation with the biggest names right now, right? Freddy, Jason, Michael, Chucky, Art. Like you can drop the clown. You just say art, you know what you're talking about, I think. Yep. Like if you this past year, when we went into Spirit Halloween, there is as much terrifier merch, if not more, than Freddy, Jason, Michael, Chucky. Like he is there, props and all. So Art the Clown, I think on the shortest of short lists for immortal villains to go in at this point, even though he's only got all Hallows Eve and three movies under his belt, a fourth to come. I think he's already there. Like pop culture has anointed him as this generation's Jason, this generation's Freddy, right? Agreed. Agreed. So for props, I mean, like the bike horn, the little hat, the hacksaw. I'm gonna I'm gonna go hard for the hacksaw because that signature kill is what lured me into this franchise. Had me going like, oh shit, this is amazing. Yeah, but it's just a hacksaw.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

It's not just a hacksaw, but like what if it was ripped panties and a hacksaw? Is that what we're talking about? Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Too far.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Too far.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

All right, well, okay, so what about the bike horn? I I like the bike horn. I do like the bike horn. Bike horn? Okay, little hat. Little hat, though.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

I kind of agree with the little hat. Do you need them both? Do you need them both? I don't know that you do. We do mention, okay, so I think we had this debate when we did terrifier. So he also has an outfit, right? Yeah. But most things, I mean, that's he always wears that outfit too. So this is another thing where it's like Freddie where it has to be like a hat and a outfit, or I mean what do we gotta do?

SPEAKER_01 17:27

I don't know. I would just say if if they're going, if they are going in like they're in in their outfit, right? I don't know. So Freddie's in with his outfit are so we can get up with that. Yeah, we'll have to we'll have to uh workshop this one about the outfits, I guess. But I mean, what what else could there be from Terrifier? I think I I think the hacksaw, I think that kill is so signature. I think that one is so polarizing. I think that one either crosses the line where people are like, I'm out, and other and other people are like, I'm fucking all in.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

I mean, there's there's a few things I think there's enough horror fans that are like I'm not a big fan of the terrifier movies, just like I'm not a big fan of the Saw movies, but not a big fan of you, Charlie. The hacksaw, I know what you're saying, Mike, but I mean it's just a hacksaw.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

There's also a hacksaw and saw.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

There's a hacksaw and saw, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Okay, so we're gonna have to workshop a little bit. Alright, so we'll leave we'll leave the hacksaw out for now. What about is it Vicky? Victoria, what's her name? Vicky. I mean, are we counting faces? No, not really called not if they're all on still on their body, no. Okay. So we could we could have the upside down split girl then as a prop. That would really amp up the goal.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Yeah, we could. Two halves of a girl. It has to be something that would be at the horror convention. And that's not gonna be at a horror convention.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Smaller than a bread box?

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Is that what you're saying? Except in like some private room. And like, I'm not going in there. You're going in there.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Don't lie.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

You may not come out. You're going with my kids. All right. So we'll leave out the uh the the props for now. Except for the bike horn and the little hat go in. I like the hat. I like the horn and the hat. The horn and the hat. Okay. What about Damian Leone? I think I all I don't want to say all he's done is terrifier. I mean, all he's done has made Terrifier the most profitable indie horror film ever, as far as box office earnings go.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

And a lot of people forget in a very short time the anthology that he produced too. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

But does he goes he need to do something outside of this to like get to that next level of like Hall of Famer? Or does he have to make like five terrifiers to to get there?

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Terra Fiverr.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Oh you just named it.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

I forgot Terra Fiverr.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

For some reason, it comes back to how long has he been doing it? There's a little bit of that where it's like if you're only when did Terra Fire come out the first one?

SPEAKER_01 20:47

2018.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

16. Okay, so about okay, 10 years. So he's been doing it for 10 years. He's put out three movies, each one grossing more than the last. An iconic character. I don't know if I'd put him in on this round, but I I don't see we shouldn't keep him off the short list.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

No, and let's let's reiterate to like we narrowed what we have down to a short list. We're just trying to whittle the list down for the second half. So there, these are people who are not going to be like ineligible if we don't keep them this time.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Here's what I would argue. I would argue that he's in before any of the people that directed one Friday the 13th, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Well I mean if he didn't crack, but yeah. If he had three movies that and they like the franchise, if the franchise cracks 500 million, and he's the director on all the movies. He's then.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

He wrote it too, right? So I mean that gives him a little bit of a nod for my in my book. I know we can't, like, but like if it's your shit, you're that you're directing, maybe maybe it helps.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

So given the names that we're gonna talk about and one that we've already talked about, we'll leave Damielone off for now. Just for this exercise. Fair. All right.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

We'll we'll circle back. We'll circle back. Circle back. Okay. It depends on the the second half of the year. It depends on who we have else that's coming out on the short list that didn't make it in for the initial class. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

So we'll we'll keep them on the short list. But oh yeah, for sure. For now. Okay. We'll keep them on to talk about in the second half. Okay. So Charlie, the next movie is your pick. It was The Cabin in the Woods. We picked two props to talk about here. These are the Bong Thermos and the Betting Whiteboard. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

I mean, I want to reproduce the betting whiteboard and put it in my bar. Right. You should. Right? I mean, that's just like beautiful and iconic. And this movie has a lot of things that a lot of movies have, like axes and spear guns and machetes and stuff, which you could associate with with any other horror, a like a dozen other horror movies, but the bomb thermos and the betting whiteboard, like redneck zombies versus zombies, merman.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

I mean twins. Right. I mean there's all kinds of stuff on there that's a other horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

The only thing that I have reservations about is the movie made a lot of money. A lot of people saw it, but it's only one movie, and has it had a large enough impact in pop culture, horror pop culture, that I feel like the whiteboard people would be able like if we put this whiteboard up at a horror convention, people are gonna know.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Whiteboard is. But if we put up the bong thermos, it's gonna be a close second, but I don't know that people will be able to pick it out, but I still want it to be in.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

I kind of agree. It's like if you haven't seen this movie in six, seven uh years, in a long time, you're gonna remember that whiteboard for a long time. But will we remember the bong or will we just be oh yeah, the you know, the bong when we see it again, right? I I I would say that the bong is as it's it's walking on that fence in my book. Yeah, whiteboard on the fence for me.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yeah. You you have to see this to get the bong thermos because I don't think it's as pop culturally significant, even though it is hilarious every time you see it. Yeah. And the whiteboard with all the outcomes is so many subtle nods to other horror films, which is really, really cool. But if you've never seen this, then you you would just be like, what is that whiteboard?

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Like, you know, okay, but but the we are we are talking about horror fans, not necessarily like super horror fans. No, yeah. If this was at a horror convention, somebody who says they're a horror fan, they watch horror movies, they'll know what both of these things are. They would have seen Cabin in the Woods, and maybe they only saw it once. But if they see that whiteboard, they're like, What is that whiteboard? Like Redneck Zombie Family, Rednecks, Mermaid, Merman. Oh, that's that's that movie Cabin in the Woods. The Bong, maybe not. Maybe you have to be a little bit more hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Okay, so we put in just the whiteboard on the short list.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

The whiteboard looks on for the short list. Okay. Sounds good. As much as we love the how funny it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah. All right. Justin and Charlie, this is both of you guys. The next films are The Descent and Dog Soldiers. Neil Neil Marshall is the director for both of these. So we got Neil Marshall, who directed two films that we've covered so far on All Guts So Gory. Neil Marshall, either of you guys gonna pine for him?

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Let me let me I'll give my two cents real quick. Yeah. I think the Descent, Dog Soldiers, and was it Doomsday are all great British films. But are they I don't yeah, I don't think they they climbed the mountain high enough for most people are gonna recognize it or did enough for the the genre to really you know go for Neil Marshall. That's what I don't it's it's yours, you're next, Charlie. I know that how much dog soldiers means to you personally, and I I love the descent, probably you know, right in that same area as you love dog soldiers, but I'm I'm I don't know if it's enough.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

So I I like the descent. The only thing I don't like about the descent is the ending. Dog soldiers, chef's kiss, no notes, great movie. Everyone's got a British accent. What could be better?

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Doomsday, um, English speaking people.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Doomsday is a great, you know, dystopian horror type movie. You know, I like it, but the thing is coming from a person who doesn't do homework, if you had said new who's new Neil Marshall, that famous horror movie director, I couldn't have told you what he directed. That's true. We brought him up and we but he has a he has a pretty good catalog. It's only three movies, but they're three solid movies.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yeah, on all gutsogory UK, he's probably in. Oh, for sure. Probably not here. He's in like beans on toast, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Oh god. Like we might throw him in on the the nominee list just to you know throw a bone to the Brits, but he probably wouldn't make it.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Do we want to carry him over to the second half?

SPEAKER_00 28:13

I I say we carry him over with Damien. All right, we'll do it. Because who knows what the deal is gonna look like at the end of the year? If we're just playing films that we're looking at, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yeah. Okay. So my pick was next was the film American Psycho. I have Patrick Bateman for Mortal Villain. Did he commit all those murders? Does it matter? My takeaway from the podcast on Bateman is that he committed at least some of those crimes. The author of the books will tell you that he committed all of the murders, that even though many people think everything in that movie just all happened in his head and wasn't actually happening, but I think he did a lot of those things, and the author also thinks he did all of them uh when he was writing it. He's pop cultural relevant, he's just an incredible, just the way Christian Bale plays him, brings so much out of him. But the variety of kills, just the the I mean, it's just incredible the different ways that the chainsaw kill, the axe murder, the the axe is the iconic one. We'll get to the props as well. The shiny ass.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Sounds like you're crying over there, it's so happy. And it's Christian fucking bail.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yeah, that's true. I mean, the the the shiny ass axe, the business cards, the raincoat, those are some props that we talked about nominating for this hall of fame. Patrick, Patrick's in, right? Or no? No.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Isn't he in our oh so he's okay okay?

SPEAKER_01 29:52

No, no, so for Mortal Villain, you know, he's uh on the short list. That's my that's my rationale for carrying him forward. I mean, his body count is high, and the number of people he murdered is high. And he did it with style, he did it with style, and he and yeah, and people quote him. I mean, it's it's incredible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

I'd like to jump in real quick. It's we're talking about one movie, one villain that was in one movie, and as a as the bad memory, not a really good horror fan, which I think I'm a horror fan, but it turns out I'm not as bright as I thought I was. I know Patrick Bateman, American Psycho, and like I said, it's Christian Bale. It doesn't have to be, he's been in 12 movies, it doesn't have to be this movie gross the most. I mean, it's an American pop culture phenomenon. Patrick Bateman, American Psycho. So I kind of feel like we have to, you know, like we're not checking sp like five boxes that we're checking. I mean, there's five boxes we're checking, but then there's also the write-in part, which we thank this because of this, and because of this, and it's got style, he's got flair. It's funny. He's a great actor, the character is great, he's got some crazy kills. You guys want to bury him or what? You would think. But I mean, he'll be on my Christmas dildo list. But I completely feel like this is a character that it just he just shines so bright. He has like a diamond. Like a diox. Like he has to be in, like a bag in the wind. I think, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

This is a it's a modern version of Jack Torrance where it's like it's a the name is synonymous with the movie, but it's for a different generation, right? So I mean I think yeah, I'm not upset that he wasn't in the first class, but I definitely think for the second class he deserves very, very, very strong consideration at the top. All right.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Moving on, Patrick Bateman moving on on the short list to the second half of the year. How about the props from American Psycho? The axe from the Paul killing Paul Allen with the axe. The uh it's shiny. I think we joked about it on the podcast. It's like it came from Tiffany's. It's not like just some shitty axe like Jason would carry around. It's a nice ass axe. The business cards, I think the business cards warrant consideration because of how prominent they are in the movie, and like basically like all four or five of the guys' business cards, and like her others like showing his later and like Bateman getting all jealous about it, and then like, oh, let's see Paul Allen's card. Like, just business cards are so central to the movie, even though they all look exactly the fucking same, but they're finding these little tiny details, like, you know, oh, that one's bone, like you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Like, you know, if you set all three of them next to each other, I'll get it. If you set them on different tables, I could the I mean the business card, Patrick, it says Patrick Bateman on it, so the Patrick Bateman business card for me gets in.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

I mean here's here's my analogy with the axe. If you laid out five axes and said which one is from American Psycho, I'd be able to pick it out. But if I if you just laid the one out and said, What's this from? It might take a little longer. I think I would get it, but I don't know if half the people would get it, right? Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

Yeah, fair enough. All right, so we'll move forward with the business cards. We'll table the axe and the raincoat for now. Because the raincoat also is still just a clear poncho, and it's nothing special. Yeah. Okay. The next film on our list is a Charlie pick, and this was The Strangers. The only thing we have from the Strangers from the props department is the mess. Charlie, your thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

You know, I I kind of feel like this was a reach. You know, I wanted to give some kind of uh props, pun intended, to the strangers because my wife was on that episode, and there's we have a whole history with it. But I mean, the masks, it's three things. They have to be side by side, you know, the the sack, and then the other two that are like real masks. Yeah. The sack could be from Friday 13th part two, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:43

I have an argument that we might we may want to consider the three main killers as killable villains, right? As a combo, they're they're obviously recognizable enough. They've there's they've made what now six movies on the strangers. They they referenced them in Cabin in the Woods. There's there's a lot going on with those characters. I mean, you see those masks, you see them together, you recognize them immediately for sure, right? They've made six of these? I thought it was like three. Fortunately, they made six. I mean, maybe there's like a hundred. I don't know. I mean, it feels too many. All I know is I've watched one of them because I'm yeah, I wasn't a giant fan.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

The first one was the best rated one, and it was only marginal.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

You're right. Maybe it's okay. Maybe I thought there was another one. I thought there was there's the strangers in oh wait, strangers chapter two in 25 and Strangest Chapter 3 in 26. Isn't there another one?

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Yeah, like origins or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Not that I know of. What movie were we talking about that we were like, oh, there's a sequel, and then you're like, no, actually, there's not. It was okay no, was that Dog Soldiers 2, right? Is that the one we were talking about? Like, hey, there's a sequel, and like, no, not really. They killed it. Like it's on IMDb, but it never came to light or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

This was the strangers, and then there was a so okay. Finding out more each time I scroll here. There was the strangers, then there was the strangers pray at night, there was strangers chapter one, two, and three. So it's five. Okay. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the one that you mentioned that there's actually a sequel, and I'm like, no, that was unrelated to it. What was it? It was called the Sands.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

It might have been Dog Soldiers. I I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Yeah, I don't think they make the short list.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

I I don't think the killers make the short list. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

No, not this class, and I don't think the masked make it either.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

All right. Passing on the strangers. All right. The next film, Justin, is the film Saw. A Justin pick. We have James Wan for director, also of Insidious, another Justin pick. Uh, do you want to give your thoughts on James Juan?

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Of the modern directors that deserve consideration. James Wan is definitely in my top of my list because he did several the Saws, he did several of the Insidiouses, he did the Conjuring. He's he's yeah, he's he's touched and done a great job with three different franchises. That's to me as good of a vote as you can get. They're all, I mean, they're all enjoyable in their own way, right? They've all got big followings. Yeah. Um, it's what is it, Conjurings, the most profitable movie franchise, or horror movie franchise for sure. Because it includes all the it includes all the single variants and the nuns and annabelles and all that stuff. So he's created this massive universe, right? Uh Jigsaw, to me, another mortal villain. We saw him die in what was it, three, maybe? Maybe something, maybe again in four, I don't know. But John Kramer slash jigsaw. I would I'm not dying on the hill, but I think it's a super strong one here for Mortal Villain.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

And I'll agree with you there, too. I'll agree.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

And the props, I mean, you see Billy the puppet riding around on that little tricycle or whatever, you know what that's from, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:29

100%.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

It fits, it fits in a bread box, I think, too, doesn't it? No. I'm just saying if there's a size limitation, he fits. And then the reverse bear trap. You put that on a table. Nobody's arguing with that, and everybody's saying that's Saw as well.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Yeah. I I agree wholeheartedly with all those picks. All four John James Wan, John Kramer slash Jigsaw, Billy the Puppet, the reverse bear trap. Like the ver the reverse bear trap is synonymous with the series. It's it's iconic. All everything there. 100%. Put them in.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

I mean, should we should we cap this one at like at this stuff? Because then we can start talking about a foot and a chain, you know, and all that other crap. Recorder, recordering a pool of blood, you know. Right. No, I bet I bet you they sold.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

No, no, that could be the talk boy for Home Alone 2, you know.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

Could be. You're right. Wasn't James One on your short list for the original inaugural class?

SPEAKER_02 39:29

Yeah, well, he was he was a let's have we considered, yeah. So I'm a uh Yeah, I'm impressed by what he's done, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Yeah, I agree. I mean though I'm not a big, you know, I don't know all that the names and stuff like that. James One, yes. Jigsaw, of course. Billy the puppet, yes. The bear trap may be a little bit weaker, but throw it out there. I mean, so this is like this is the thickest, the most thickest what? Whoa, whoa, this is the beer can of girth here that kind of got passed over in the first round for the route Mount Rush Gore. But I mean, it's solid franchise, solid director who's done his work, he's got a body of work out there, the villain, solid. The the Billy the Puppet was not only in solid, it's been in this reference in a couple other movies as well. Like the scary movie franchise, and then the reverse bear trap. Like I said, it's probably the weakest, but if I saw it on a table at a horror commission, I would know what franchise it was from. I say all four on the short list.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Yep, agreed.

unknown 40:52

Woo!

SPEAKER_01 40:53

All right, so moving on. Next one is a Charlie pick. It's the film Tremors. We talked off air. The only one that we got from Tremors from the props department is the Uzi for you license plate. I it's cool to have. Love to hang it in the main. I don't I don't know if people see that and are like, oh, tremors, nice. But Charlie, your thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Oh, Tremors, one of my favorite movies of all time. I've probably seen this one in bits and pieces more than any other movie I've ever seen. I just love it to bits. But unfortunately, unless you want to include a 30-foot-long makeup of a worm that crawls under eats people as a prop.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

A graboid. I suggested just one of the graboid tongue things that got locked locked on the axle of that vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

You'd know maybe Val and Earl make it in in the hero duo three or four mountain classes from now. But really, the only thing for you that for me, sorry, that sticks out is the license plate, the which was it was before you. And I unfortunately, it's the only thing I could pull out that wasn't like I guess I had a big giant graboid.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

Graboid tongue. Graboid tongue.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

So maybe it doesn't make our list. All right. Moving on from Tremors, Justin and I. Well, my pick and a Justin pick are both directed by Robert Rodriguez. This is the faculty and planet terror. So let's start before we get into the faculty props that are also on here. Let's talk about Robert Rodriguez real quick. He's got this, he's got Planet Terror, The Faculty, From Dust Till Dawn. His other movies are like Western action, crime kid stuff, like five spy kid films, a few others. I haven't seen the horror film that he did, Red Eleven, but didn't look like it was well too well received from what I read. Red Rocket? Does no does Robert Rodriguez need another solid horror credit to his name? Yeah, or or is he like short list? We can move him on to the second half. I think we move him on. I think if we move Neil Marshall on, Damian Leone on, we can move Robert Rodriguez on for more discussion down the road.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Here's here's real fast on Robert Rodriguez. Would I say I think from Dust of Dawn, Mega Smash It? Most people have seen that, horror fans, faculty less so, and then I would think Planetary even less than that, as far as it so they're all great though. I like them all.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

So the real test is I knew who Robert Rodriguez that's fair. That's fair. And I'm kind of like the I don't know who they are.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

That's a good that's a good litmus right there.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

All right. Yeah, I agree. I mean, Rob Rodriguez, if we're putting some of these other guys on, moving them on, I think he moves on too. Definitely. For the props from the faculty, we talked about the the paper cutter. It's prominent in the trailer. I think Josh Hartnett became a star at that moment when he yanks the blade off the paper cutter and goes after Jon Stewart with it. Um I mean, just the the camera angle just makes him look like a super duper star. And they show it in slow motion in the trailer, and it's just like, yeah, you know, it's just an awesome weapon. It's something you would just find in a classroom, and it's a great weapon. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

I wish we had people we could ask, but like if you said, Hey, what was that movie where the guy rips the paper cutting arm off of the paper cutter and attacks somebody with it? You don't have to say Josh Hartney, you don't have to say Alien. I think the faculty comes up, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Yeah. Maybe in the hardcore fans. It's a unique weapon.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

It's not one used in like other films. Like if you put this one up there in the Hall of Fame, you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

The only paper cutter, actually. The only paper cutter, probably.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Maybe. Now I gotta think about it.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah. At least on the short list, maybe move them on. The other prop is the uh the scat pens, the what Josh Hartnett sells kids around school, but also is the central thing that becomes what can kill these creatures is this drug that he manufactures in his garage and puts into you know big pen holders. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

I think it's a I think it's a great plot device. I don't think I think if you if you're looking at a pen full of white powder, you're thinking something else first, though. You're like, that's gotta be cocaina, right? As Kai likes to say. I don't know if scat's coming to mind right off the bat, but I don't know. Nah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna say probably jack you up. Guaranteed jack you up. And then she dumped a whole bucket of scat on freaking principle. Get out of here. That's when I knew she was bad.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

Anyway, so I'll jump in with no no bundle of scat pens?

SPEAKER_02 46:16

No.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Like with a rubber, a bundle of it with a rubber band around it.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

That would have to be more recognizable. It would have to be in like some Jinko jean pockets or whatever. It would have to be in those big ass jeans that he's got.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

You know what would be great for uh a horror convention that you could sell is pixie sticks in the scat pins. Five for a buck.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

But you'd have to be dressed like you'd have to have the bed the bedhead and like the oversized shirt and stuff. You'd have to have it all like you'd have to be.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

I'd have a uh a sign that says scat pins.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Was that bedhead or just like a really bad haircut? I think both.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

I think it was bedhead on top of a bad haircut. It was the here's the deal. Robert Rodriguez, Planetary. That's the machine gun leg is amazing, but how to how to get it in, because just a machine gun, it could be a machine gun. Best later.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Best later. Yeah, we'll just on the planetary.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah, we'll do planetary.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Oh, I thought we were talking about faculty and planetary.

SPEAKER_01 47:26

Well, faculty. For Rob Rodriguez.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

We'll we'll get to the planet terror props. We'll get to the planetary props later. Oh, I'm I'm sorry. Maybe you could edit this part out.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

No, we're not. Nope, nope. For Jason for Jason, for Justin's edification, where are we, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Um, so if if we're not putting scat pens in, paper cutter moves on, Robert Rodriguez moves on, then that brings us to a pick, another pick of mine was the film Child's Play 2. Chucky is in. John LaFeh for director, I don't think has to move on. He did he did this. He did another horror called Man's Best Friend, but doesn't have the catalog some of these other guys have. We're talking about. I think I'm gonna leave him off. As far as protagonists, Andy Barkley, worth mentioning. Chucky's a big brand, a big franchise. He's in one, two, three, shows up later on in the franchise and either in like cult or one of those of Chucky. And then he's in the he is in the in the television series as well as a pretty prominent character as an older as an adult. He and Kyle reunite in the television series.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

So if we have a character that most likely to be gaslit, he's he's on there. Sure. So many people gaslight him.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Like, I think the longevity is there for the character, but I I'll have to maybe do like a longer deep dive on his character to see like when he's a child, right? He doesn't do much to defeat Chucky in part one except start the fireplace, like set him on fire. But then that's not even like the end for him. Like, there's another like Chucky comes out of the fireplace, and you know, he gets gunned down by the adults in the room. Um but you know, same thing with two, like he does sort of kill Chucky, but Kyle also has plays a big role in that as well. So, you know, it's how much is he really doing as the protagonist here early on? I I would say, you know, we'll move him forward, but we gotta have more discussion on the character itself.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

I don't yeah, early like without thinking too hard on this, I don't know if I'm gonna get a give him a vote for later, but you know, it doesn't hurt to keep him on the list, right? Maybe you can talk Charlie into it. Charlie's Charlie's hydrating over there, too. Got his Bud Light. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 49:58

Props for this movie: the mangled Chucky doll that comes out of the conveyor belt, whatever, whatever it is that is in this factory that builds the good guy dolls. When it goes in when it goes in backwards, it like gets 18 arms and legs and the head off to the side, and it's just a mangled mess. So that version of it, also the the technician who goes to repair one of the machines, and then Chucky knocks him out and he goes under and gets the doll eyes pushed into his human head where his regular eyes are. That head pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

How about should we should we consider workshopping a best kill kind of thing to go in the Hall of Fames, too? It's gonna be tough, but like we'll have to decide that now. Maybe maybe I I wanna I wanna ask the question here, just for for Charlie's sake here. No, for the for the audience sounds like for your sake, yeah. For my sake. Chucky's in, right? Chucky is in. So how many iterations of Chucky should be in two? Because this is a still Chucky with the arms and stuff on him. But I mean, it is really cool. I mean, it's a really cool messed up Chucky. But I'm wanted to know, yeah. But I like your other pic for props. I want you to do your thing on it because you love this thing. Your next one.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Oh, yeah, the works Andy's uh worksheet that Chucky writes fuck you bitch on in big red crayon. I want that thing framed and hanging on my wall.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

I think for me, I that's the only thing that makes it in.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

I hey, I'll I'll take it. I think I think when you see that, you know it's Chucky too. Casuals, maybe not, but when you but like anyone that's seen that movie one time, exactly one time, you'll never forget that work, that sheet of paper. And the the teacher just going through them and pulls that one out, and it's just like, fuck you, bitch. Big red. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. I love it. All right. I'm fine with that. We'll take that one forward uh from this movie. Uh, let's see here. Moving on. The next one was an all-hands pick. This was Silence of the Lambs. Hannibal Lecter is in, and then we gotta talk about Jonathan Demi for director. I I think I don't does an Oscar for a horror movie automatically get you in because it's the only horror film on his resume, except for the film Beloved, which no one has seen. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

This was a count. It's a masterpiece movie, though, right? So it is if a character if a character can only be in one movie, could a director be only have one?

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Lector's in four movies, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:00

No, but I'm referring to like the Jack Torrances or the Patrick Bateman's, like if Ken like wasn't his vision. It's weird though, because he pulled a lot of his influences from like he wanted Hannibal to be to look sympathetic and right, remember like all that stuff and soft. He wanted it to be believable that he was trusted like that. So I don't know if he's like his heart's in the horror, right? I don't know if he'd want to be in it.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

I'm just saying that he can't make it in if Steven Spielberg has not already been in for Jaws. Oh that's a Trump card. That's a Trump card.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

I mean there's the ball. Here's my counter to you. We haven't done Jaws yet. Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Jaws the the creature is it's we have one movie. He only did one horror movie, and it was Jaws.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

If you ask me, I don't want to give this hot take, but I mean Silence of the Lambs, I might like more than Jaws, like overall.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

They're Jaws. They're both probably perfect movies, to be honest. I mean, we're splitting interesting here.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

In Jaws did somebody say, Well, she's a great big fat girl. No, nobody said that.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

But did Silence of the Lamb say, we're gonna need a bigger boat?

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Oh, that's true. We're gonna we need we're gonna need a bigger uh tit suit, is what they said in that one. Oh no, they said, What do you want? The little uh what was the name of the boy? Yeah, what's the last name of the boy? Yeah, what do you want, though? Kittener boy spilling out all over the right. Yeah. They said that. Alright, you're right. Okay. Jonathan Demi, correct. I I it hurts me to say because it was this movie was well directed. There were so many talented people that he had doing the right stuff. Yeah. Alright, where are we at? All right. I I think it's lamb still.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Yeah, so are we moving Jonathan Demi on for later consideration or no? Low on the short list. That that's good enough for me. We'll move him on because he does have an Oscar for horror. We'll move him on. So for our female protagonist is Clarice Starling. I don't think we've had a female protagonist nominee yet until now. So I think she's definitely in she does it all. It is, I mean, it's a Hannibal Lecter movie. He's in it for like 16 minutes. It's her movie. Her superiors try to fuck with Lecter behind her back. She has to navigate all that. It's girl power to the max because the way they shoot her to purposely look tiny and demeanor diminutive diminutive. Trying to use a big word, sorry. Compared to the men in the film. They they try to make her look smaller and less than, um, and she, you know, isn't at all. And she figures this, she figures out all the ciphers, she figures out all the code words that Lecter's using, and you know, just it's she solves a case. She solves a case, she she captures and kills Buffalo Bill, and you know, even it by herself, the rest of the FBI like fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 56:33

Shortest, shortest of short, short lists for me. Yeah, like I'm surprised. I I mean, she was probably right. She was in our original list of female protagonists to consider. So yeah, she's gotta be that next next up. She's our she's our George A. Romero, right? She's our next up. Well, I mean. And her character went on to be in Hannibal and in a show about, you know, like people people loved, wanted to know more about her and all that. So yeah, it's an easy win for her.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

Yeah. When we talked about it off air, Charlie, I think, wasn't down for it, but I I'm just gonna bring it up one more time. But Buffalo Bill as an additional mortal villain for for this film, Hannibal Lecter's In. Buffalo Bill pop culturally. Like everyone's shit. Everyone says, like, put the lotion in the basket. Everyone does the impression. Every guy tucks his junk in and dances in the mirror. No, oh yeah, yeah, me neither. Me neither. No, I definitely don't. Like, I I mean, it it's iconic. It's iconic. It is. It's something. I'm gonna say short list.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Yeah, medium short list. Okay, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Let's move them on. Like a size 14 short list.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

More like 11, 11 and a half.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

All right. So for props then we we have the Bill Skins fifth newspaper headline, the newspaper front page. I think that's pretty iconic. You know they show it a few times in the film, and the the letters are so big, and you know Bill Skins fifth, you know exactly what that's from.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

I thought it was the Super Bowl, which the Buffalo Bills played, the uh Washington team.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

Oh, yeah. Bill Skinner who? Well, that's the Commanders, okay. And then, you know, we got Lecter's muzzle, the the little muzzle he's gotta wear when they're transporting him to Tennessee. We also have the cocoon that they pull out of the body that they get out of the river, which has the death head moth in it.

SPEAKER_03 58:54

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

And we we we threw a one in there last minute off air, the lotion in the basket. Like it's what Buffalo Bill says. And the I don't know if I could pick out the basket or the lotion, like you say, if you just have it sitting there. If you have it sitting with other silence of the lambs items, and there's lotion in a basket, you know what the fuck it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

If I said bar if I said barbasol can, you would know what a barbasol can was from, right? Yeah, Jurassic Park. But if I said, you know, whatever lotion brand that was, I don't know if you'd be like, oh yeah. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

It's not about the lotion brand, it's not about the basket, it's about a basket with a bottle of lotion in it. You could substitute any brand of lotion. I don't know. Are there are there tissues in that basket? No, just the basket and the lotion, and everyone will know exactly what it is.

unknown 59:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

I mean, I don't mind it. I'm I'm down with putting the lotion in the basket in the in the for list.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

I actually have a great idea for an pending a new booth at a horror convention is we sell baskets with different sorts of lotions in the right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

I mean it seems it's right there, right? That's it. So what about the mostly compute complete skin suit with the giant kid hanging down?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

No. No, too much. Charlie, at your booth, you need to sell the lotion and the basket separately, or and then like when they take them, you then need to tell the customer, put the lotion in the freaking basket. There we go. I think something. I think they all make it in. They all get in. All right, yeah. I'm good with that. Good with that. There's gonna be a big list for props this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

For props.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Yeah, I mean we are we are going to have to whittle it some. We we will whittle it some, I think, but I think it's also okay because when you go to like a hall of fame for sports or whatever, like there's the hall where the people are, and that is like where only a few get in. But there's props, there are game-used items like spread out throughout the place, like you know, that you can go see like this jersey and that jersey and this ball and this bat and this thing and that thing, and like the the example, like there, there's all kinds of stuff like that would be considered props in the sports world. Bloody socks, those are all over it. Whereas like the actual people in it, that's where it's like the the champ champs, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

Did you say crunchy socks?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

I said bloody socks. That's different from a crunchy socks, lotiony socks, too, you know. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

So after Silence of the Lambs, the next film was Justin's pick, Insidious. We talked about James Juan and moving him along. The other one we had for Insidious, Justin picked the prop, the gas mask headphones combination.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:04

So I think it's super unique, right? Incredibly unique. The whole scene worked because she's talking, it's it's it distorts the voice, it's going straight to headphones. But I'm looking at this list of props right now. I'm looking at it, and I don't know if I can I can keep it on the short list, right? I don't know if it belongs yet. If you think of Insidious, though, you think of a few things. You think of the the red-faced demon and and probably Elise and her gas mask, but yeah, I don't know if I can keep it in. I don't know if I can justify it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

On the short list. I agree. It's super unique, though. It's unique. I give it a hard maybe. Yeah. Alright. So it's it's on the longest of short lists, then is what it is. Yeah. But yeah, we don't have to spend much time on that one. We've talked about James Wan quite a bit, so I'm fine with uh moving along a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Yep. The next film was a mic pick. It was my pick. It's martyrs. I know. Oh, come on. I know. It's French. The only prop I had from that I had that I took from this in our conversation off-air was the metal steel chastity belt and the steel oculus-looking thing riveted to the victim's face so that they couldn't see or feel anything in their nether regions. It's creepy, it's gross, it's a disgusting prop. If you see martyrs, then you'll see that prop and be like, wow, that's that thing. That is awesome crazy. But I it it's it's not really Hall of Fame worthy.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

And if you're everyone else who got through the first five minutes of martyrs and and then decided to turn it off after the second five minutes of martyrs, you don't get to that part, so you don't know what the hell we're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Yeah, after after the shotgun blasts.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

Uh okay. So yeah, moving on from martyrs. I'll spare everybody. The next one is an all hands pick we did for the first Friday the 13th of our podcast, and it was Friday the 13th. Jason is in our hall of fame. The hockey mask is in our hall of fame. This is the original, though. So this is Sean S. Cunningham as director. For Cunningham, you know, there's this. There is A Stranger Is Watching, which is another slasher that came out like two years after. A film called The New Kids, which is like a horror thriller, not really a slasher, but I don't think Sean S. Cunningham's getting in over like Arab Rodriguez or some of the other names, even though he directed this first movie in a giant, giant franchise. He really wanted nothing else to do after this. He admittedly is like, this is a money grab. We ripped off Halloween to make money, and then he wanted to be done with it. So I'm okay with being like, nope. Yeah, you know. I agree. Justin, you good with that?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

Yeah, I had he been like integral and like more of them, I'd be like, okay, this is his franchise, right? But it seems to bounce around. Did any did anybody direct more than two of them?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Or did anybody directly Steve Minor directed part two and part three? Okay. Um, I don't think anybody else directed more than that, but I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Yeah, that's that's where this one hurts. It's like it's it's obviously uh IP wise, it's it's it's up there in the elite, right? But as far as directing, yeah, I don't think anybody put their stamp on it. Right. Except for whoever directed Jason goes to hell.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Yeah. So what about Pamela Voorhees, Mrs. Voorhees as the Mortal villain from Friday the 13th. We don't get Jason yet. Jason's mother, Mrs. Voorhees, is the original killer. If you haven't seen this, but you've seen Scream, you at least know that too. You think Pamela Voorhees are putting her in for consideration. I mean. I think you have to, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

You almost have to. I mean, it is it is one of those facts. You have to at least consider it. Yeah. Right. Even though they don't say your name in the first one, right? I think you told me that, or you said that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

Mrs. Voorhees, but like I think that's just a horror fact everybody knows, right? And whether it be from Scream where it's like, no, it's actually the mother, you know. Remember, I think, I think that alone, just how how common a fact that is about the series gives it consideration. Meaning. And she threw a damn body through a window that was like way up in the air, man. She's strong as shit. Yeah, she threw Tom Savini through a window, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

She fights like Captain Kirk. You got the R word strength. Oh man. Jesus, Charlie. I didn't say it. I have another Bud Light.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Regulator is the R-word, regulator.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

Yeah. Uh-huh. Props. The main prop we picked from this one is the Crystal Lake sign with camp blood written on it instead. Yep. Everybody will know that is. Yep. Everyone knows what that is. So I think that one easily moving on for further consideration. We'll talk a little bit more about Friday the 13th in a little bit because we have part two coming up. But you know, next one is Justin Pick, and this was Planet Terror. We talked about Robert Rodriguez already for director. Justin, you want to talk about Cherry Darling as a protagonist?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

I I like the yeah, Cherry Darling to me is an iconic protagonist. Right now we only have what Clarice on the list. So I think as far as feeling comfortable with getting another female protagonist on the list, I'm happy with her being on there. You see her, it has to be post-surgery, if you will. It has to be with the machine gun leg, and then you know what she what it's from. Most people know, oh, she's from that grindhouse film. At very least. They might not know a planetary, but they're gonna know, oh, she's from Grindhouse. So I like her as a comedic and badass and physics-defying protagonist, female protagonist. We talked about Robert Rodriguez already. If she is in, if a cherry is in, we do not need a separate statue of the machine gun like.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

No, yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:59

She's in where she's in. Yeah, for sure. Um I I think I've never seen a jar of uh testicles in Famaldehyde. I've never seen that in a movie, and let alone that being broken on the ground and people, you know, stepping on all these balls. That's neat. That's neat.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Yeah. You know, maybe it goes with the Charlie Smith. It's not it's not an integral part of the film. Right, but it's not. It is something, it's an interesting part of the film.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Right. It created here's the thing is like it's such a stylized movie, and it's such a gritty grindhouse thing where it's like the needles, those are awesome. That's an awesome prop. Would I recognize the needle shooter? I would. I would because I like this movie. It's really high, but with most people, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

Yeah, I do like I do like the set of needles, the one that's in the holster, and I also like just the the three in the in the pocket pouch with the the red, yellow, and blue. And these are my three little friends. Like, I I I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Do you think it's worth keeping up there with things like Billy the Puppet or the Cocoon from Yeah, that's where I'm looking at. It's not on it's not on that level.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

It's on the level of I'd like to have these things, but it's not on the Hall of Fame level.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:19

It might be on the level of the F you bitch on the paper.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

Oh, it's not that high. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Yeah, I got nothing else to say about Planet Terror for now. We we went through most of this, but Cherry Darling. For for your consideration.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

Yeah, definitely. Moving Cherry Darling, moving her on for the second half. Charlie, anything else on Planet Terror? No, I liked it all. Alright, cool. Next one was my pick. I remember picking Death Proof right after Justin took Planet Terror because Planet Terror was gonna be my pick, and Justin took it. So I went with the second half of the double feature, picked Death Proof. We could nominate Stuntman Mike for Mortal Villain. I mean, I love Kurt Russell, but I don't think Stuntman Mike is in the mortal villain echelon as some of the other mortal villains out there. As cool as he is in in this movie, and as creepy as he is, especially in the director's cut version of this movie, you know, but I just don't quite think he's in that echelon for uh, you know, agree for this. Some of the props that we liked, the hood of the Chevy Nova with the skull and crossbones and the rubber duck hood ornament on it. Also, Mike's jacket uh with uh with the patches and the icy hot branding on the back. It's I I it's a silver jacket. I think it's iconic. I think when you see that with the patches and you see icy hot, people know where that's from. Maybe not, but I think the jacket's unmistakable. I think the the hood and that ornament is unmistakable. They show that ornament pretty prominently a few times in a few shots in the movie. I I like having a killer car that's also just not Christine, which I love Christine, by the way. Um that'll be a mic pick, hopefully, down the road. But uh, no pun intended. But yeah. What do you guys think about what do you guys think about those those props? The the hood with the hood ornament and the icy hot jacket.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

Such a crowded, such a crowded field we're putting in there right now. I think the whole car would be recognizable. And of the two cars, the one with the painted hood and the rubber duck is more recognizable of the two. But you asked me between that and the icy hot. I think the icy hot seems a little more recognizable than the hood. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:56

I don't know. The the the car with the skull and crossbones hood, that's on the poster. That's on the box. But yeah, that uh the jacket stands out.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

I'm just gonna I'm just gonna throw out like so. This was a a single movie with actually two movies in it, and Planet Terror being the stronger of the two. I just kind of feel like Gathproof is almost forgettable. They're saying it's like Oats and Holland Oats, so maybe because it's like if you watch the movie, you recognize the stuff, but I feel like this is a movie where you watch it and you're like a little let down, and I mean it's just dialogue heavy, it's just like grotesquely dialogue heavy, even for a Tarantino movie, and it's just it kind of like it kind of fucks up everything else. I agree that the hood ornament and the rubber the the duck on the the ornament on the hood and the icy hot jacket are the three standout props from this movie, but I mean I'm not a fan of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

Like jungle jungle Julia's leg after it pops off is pretty recognizable.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

Yeah. True. It's not like Planet Terror with Cherry Darling and the machine gun leg. No, I agree. Agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:28

So we could maybe just pass on death proof altogether.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

I I would vote that way, but it's up to you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

Yeah, it's it's a tough one for me. I don't I just what did we figure out that like the whole thing made like 20 million between the two of them or like 30 million? Something like that. It wasn't much, right? Yeah. I just don't know if we'll if let's uh we'll we'll split the difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

We'll leave the hood of the car off, we'll put the jacket up for further consideration.

unknown 1:15:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:00

Sounds good to me. Because I love Kurt Russell.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

So you want Kurt Russell's underwear in there, apparently. Well, you marry him.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Yeah. Charlie, your pick was next is the film Sean of the Dead. We nominated Sean for male protagonist. No iron team. I think that is he's legendary. I'm not gonna argue with you on that one at all. Your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:26

Shawn of the Dead, another great movie. I you know, I I when we started doing this podcast, I thought I was except for maybe like the slasher, like Saw movies. I I thought I was a horror fan who liked all horror movies, and I do, but I kind of feel like we have like if you listen to all of our episodes, you you will figure out that I'm more of a horror movie with some comedy aspects to it, and Sean the Dead is just like no notes. I it's a hundred percent, it's a perfect movie in my book, and Sean, great hero, but then we get to like props, and like a lot of horror movies, a lot of stuff is used in in all over the place, but what isn't used in a lot of horror movies is a cricket bat and a name tag that says Sean. So I kind of feel like those two props, and of course Sean, need to be on the short list for consideration.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:34

And even Edgar or no? No, because he's only done the one horror, really. No, what else did you do? This is a hot thing. Last night Soho. Oh, you're right. Ed, you're right. Edgar right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

Yeah, we didn't we didn't nominate him because uh we didn't for that for that reason. I thought you meant Ed. I thought you said Ed. He needs a bigger body of work. But yeah. You need a bigger body of work. Your mom needs a bigger body of work. Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:00

Last night in Soho and running dance adjacent to it. World's End is kind of like a sci-fi type thing. That's not horror though. And don't forget, don't. From the Grindhouse trailers. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:17

They need to make the end of the movie for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

I I can't agree with Charlie anymore. Sean, no notes, cricket bad, no notes. Maybe a white short sleeve button down with a red in the pocket kind of thing, but Sean's already in, so that's in. So yeah, I love Sean of the Dead. That one was one that I would have. Charlie has stolen two movies that I would have taken eventually with the stolen? Yes, Cabin in the Woods and Sean of the Dead are you know so far up my list, it's not even funny. So I can't argue with these at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

Yeah, Sean's legendary George George A. Romero loved it, and this is a film that they're parodying his shit, and he loved it. Because it's flattery and imitation of the serious form of flattery, right? So yeah, he he loved it and was was happy with it. So it's an awesome, awesome, awesome flick.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:10

All around. What's Sean's last name? I need to rent down officially for the protagonist.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:14

Yeah, nobody knows. It's unknowable. Justin, your pick after Shawn of the Dead was long leg. This is Osgood Perkins up for director. What do you think about Osgood Perkins?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:31

I really enjoy Osgood Perkins. I loved long legs. I really liked a monkey, and I liked the keeper. But that all being said, I don't know if he's had that long legs would be the closest to a home run of those three. Maybe it is a home run, but it's not a great slam, right? I like Nicolas Cage in this a lot, so I would put Nicolas Cage in that in the Mortal Villains for short for consideration.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

Legs for Mortal Villain, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:08

Yeah. But as far as just because it was such a unique design and it was batshit crazy acting by Senior Nick. As far as props goes, there's a lot of cool stuff. But I'm looking at this list here, and I don't think I can budget. You know, there's there's the cipher, which in itself was cool. It was a very cool part of the marketing, very cool part of the movie, cool part of the investigative cat and mouse type thing. There's the dolls, but I think the dolls kind of just look like American girl type dolls or whatever. And I don't know if I'd be like, okay, that's Lee Harper as a you know. So I don't know. I don't know. It's getting the the movies that we've done lately are having the disadvantage of having this full list that I'm trying to see. Is it worth moving stuff around? And I don't think it is for any of the props in long legs yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

Yeah. I mean, I think the cipher for long legs, the the wall of all the long legs letters and all the ciphers, like I think that whole wall kind of set piece is kind of cool and worthy of more discussion of putting in. I think Osgood Perkins, going back to him, like like you mentioned the the films he's done. He he's on the fast track, right? And he's in he's in the horror lane. He doesn't stray. I don't think he's gonna do the Robert Rodriguez thing and make a kid's movie next. You know, make like six of those or something. He he's he's in this lane, it's in his DNA. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna backtrack a little. He's gonna get there.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:49

I'm gonna backtrack a little, and if we're if we're keeping Neil Marshall on the list, I'd like to keep Osgood on the short consideration.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

Oh, I agree. I think he's on the consideration list as well. I think from well, and we'll talk more about it at the end, but yeah, I think he's definitely moving on for more discussion. Long legs can't agree with you more as well. It it's a performance you can't unsee that you don't forget once you see this movie. Nicholas Cage brings him to life in the most intense way possible. Uh like it's just insane. And it's sad as very, very yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's really cool, really well done part. And just creepy is all hell. It's a great villain.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:34

It fits in that Buffalo Bill type, you know, where it's like this is a memorable for a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:42

Charlie, thoughts? No, I'm I'm I don't have anything to add. You guys covered it really well, I think. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:50

So, yeah, we'll move uh Osgood Perkins, we'll move long legs, and we'll move the uh the wall of letters signed by long legs forward for more discussion. The next film, bringing it back around to Friday the 13th, part two. We had for props the machete from part two. That's Jason's signature weapon, and this is the first Jason film, as you know, Mrs. Vohees was the killer in part one. So now this becomes Jason's franchise starting in part two and moving forward. So we have the machete. We also have Mrs. Voorhees' shrine, which Jason had built for her, which includes her head, her chopped-off head on a table, her sweater, uh covered in some blood and some you know, dirt and mud on the table and candles all around it. I think the shrine is a good part one, part two combo, because in part one you get the head chopped off, you get the blue sweater, but it's also aged five years in part two. So for the combination of the two movies, you get the shrine encompassing all of it. I think it's a good prop. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:05

I agree. I think that the like you could even just do the head. It's pretty it's recognizable enough, but if you throw the sweater on there, it it amps it up. Like you don't really need the shrine, but I mean, if I saw that at a horror convention, I would know exactly what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:25

Yeah. Justin, your thoughts on the part two props from Friday?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

I think, yeah, I mean, the shrine, you know, instantly, it's it's it feels very almost like psycho type thing, where it's like, you know, where you first see Norm by Norman Bates' mom and the you know, the reveal there. It feels like a very good reveal type thing that's gonna be iconic to most fans of that series for sure. I I like the shrine as a whole thing. It gets us the sweater, it gets us the decapitated head. Yeah, a few bodies at the bottom sprinkled in for fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

Does the machete get some love here? Because it is his signature weapon, but there's also in all the Jason movies, there are he uses weapons that he just acquires, right? Like he finds something and uses it as a weapon. He finds a freaking like spear gun, corkscrew, some kind of fence wire.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:30

I think if I saw it at a like liquid nitrogen, sitting on a table. I mean, a machete.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:38

That'd be my first thought, would be Jason, probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:40

Probably, but that's just us. I don't know if anyone else would draw that same conclusion. It's uh it's it's borderline.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:51

You think he pulled it out of, isn't that what she hit him with? Like from his clad cool down or whatever. You think that's just the one he liked to keep for a while, you know? Maybe. I think it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

Could have been the one that killed his mother. Could have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:06

In that case, it probably was.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:08

Maybe for that. Remember when he was a child, but then he was a grown-up five years later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:17

He's all grown up now.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

Remember when he was a child, they ran out and grabbed his mom's head off the ground and then kept it for five years later.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:23

No, he was an adult then. He was a child, you're right. He was a child in in the 50s, and then it was like 20 years. Oh, he jumped out of that lake as a child. 25 years later, 23 years later, he's you know, an adult.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:37

Okay, I'll believe you.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

Well, it's in the movie. You can do the time, you can figure the timeline out yourself if you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:45

They even say that many folks say he must have grown up. He must be grown up by now.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:50

Yeah. Must be.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:52

Must be. Gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:53

Never look, never look for her. Never look. So the next film on our list, we've got three more to go. Hang in there with us, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:03

We're talking barely hanging. I'm barely hanging in.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

My pick was Predator. I have Dutch for protagonist. I you know, I love Arnold. He fights the Predator in this film. Manoe Mano. Does all that Boy Scout bullshit as Dylan? Dutch is clearly the leader of the gang. He calls out Dylan on his bullshit. Like Buffalo Bill, everyone has an Arnold impression. Mine's the best. Everyone says get to the chopper. Like everyone says those things. So I don't know if that warrants consideration for Dutch as a protagonist for this film. What do you guys think? I think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:46

I think I think Dutch for sure. I see you've got a list here, so I'm gonna I'm just gonna rapid fire a yes on some of these or a no on those. But yeah, Dutch is Dutch is Dutch is a badass man.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:58

Cool. Alright, I'm in. The Yachtja for the villain. The Yacht is the species that is the Predator. There are multiple Yauchas throughout the series. They are mortal villains. I think the Predator is as recognizable as anything else, any other mortal villain out there. And multiple films in this franchise and making a strong comeback, as I think Prey was very highly regarded. Predator Badlands, they PG-13 it to get some more people in. And I think a lot of people, I don't Charlie didn't like it, but I think a lot of people did as as well. No, I liked it, but I didn't I I don't they buddy coped it.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:41

They Disney fied it. Yeah, they picked it up. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

Yeah, what a what an incredible character design. They used a seven foot dude who can actually move around and it was humanoid and like the fighting seemed pretty smooth. Uh great. Just Yeah. Mandibles, funky voice, heat vision, all that shit. It all worked.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:07

Perfect character. Absolutely. The props from the original Predator. We have Painless, the Gatlin gun. If the Yalch is in, then the Predator suit is in. We also have the Dylan arm prop where Dylan's arm gets blown off, and there's his arm falls to the ground holding the MP5. It's still firing as it's laying there on the ground. We all love that part. Everyone, you know, you talk about Arnold in this, but then everyone's also like, dude, Carl Weathers, when he loses his arm, and then it's still shooting. So fucking cool. So what are your thoughts on Painless, the the Gatlin gun and Dylan, the arm prop of Dylan's?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:49

I love I love the impracticality of Painless, the just the sheer, yeah, that is not believable at all, but it still is amazing. If if you remember this as a kid, you're like, remember when he picked up the damn Gatling gun. I didn't know what a Gatling gun was before this movie, but I mean I guess it was 1980, what, seven, six years? Yeah. So like I guess I was only five or six years old, so I guess I shouldn't know what a gatling gun is, but still, like when I think of it, I think of the Gatling gun and Car Wenders losing his arm and that thing firing. So I got no argument with either of those.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

Yeah, I agree. Painl painless, like, why do you even need like like saws to cut down a tree? You can just get this Gatling gun and you can saw a tree down in like three seconds. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:40

Yeah, but then you're out of 300 pounds of ammunition, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:44

Yeah, true. Oh man, it's wild what that fucking gun does. Alright, so we'll move along. Dutch, the outcha, the predator, painless, and Dylan's arm prop moving on. Charlie had the next pick, and his film was Ready or Not. We nominated Radio Silence, the duo of Tyler Gillette and Matthew Gilpin, right? For director, and Grace for female protagonist. And then we'll the Grace is basically whole getup as the uh prop. So I guess if Grace does get in, then her outfit will be the wedding dress, yellow chucks, the rifle with the giant elephant gun bullets. That will be kind of her getup for for that. And other props, the box with the card in it that she picks the uh picks hide and seek, which is the whole crux of the movie. Your thoughts, Charlie?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:41

It's a great movie. Like I said, I turns out I'm into horror comedy, and Grace, the sequel just came out, saw it. It was great. And I feel like even with if she had just been in one movie, like I can't remember now who was. But no, if she had just been in one movie, she is a hero. But in the second movie, it just solidifies it. It solidifies it for me that she's a hero. I don't know about the directors. I mean, they only have really have these two movies in my mind. Maybe it's like a three or four, you know. I mean, this is turning into a franchise, but I kind of feel like it after the second movie, it doesn't need to be. It kind of draws everything together and comes to an end without any spoilers. Thank you. As far like the outfit is iconic. I mean, the the bloody wedding dress with the yellow chuck tailors, no notes. With the with the ammo belt, if you want to go from the first movie where it's the the elfin gun ammo belt or the second movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:58

That's all we're allowed to talk about right now, Charlie. We're not allowed to talk about the second one.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:02

Okay. Whatever, but also the box with the little card in it. Oh, perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:11

I agree. Either even the card by itself that just has hide and seek would be fine, but like with that, yeah. LaVeo's box is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:20

The box is used as a weapon in the film, so it is chunks of uh Andy McDowell's hair, Becky's hair in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:29

Right. Too soon, right? I mean, so that's ready boxes on there, right? Yeah. You're keeping I think Mike's keeping notes too on his mega list here.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:41

Yeah. Hopefully, somebody's keeping notes because I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:44

I got no notes. The first second I saw, yeah, the first time I saw ready or not, I walked out, just being like, what that was amazing. Like, I I also tend to lean towards a fun time, a fun hang for my horror movies too. But like, I like a good I like them all pretty much, but tend to lean towards the if I can laugh and say oh shit, you know, at the same time kind of thing, it's it's normally a winner for me. And that's this whole movie, Grace is 90 minutes well spent. 90 minutes well spent, as uh Charlie likes to say. Grace is a capable character the entire time. Um you know, at first she's in disbelief, but once she decides that she's taking matter into her own hands, it's uh no turning back, and she's you know, megastar in this one. The box, yeah. Everything else that you guys talked about, I'm good with.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:35

Yeah, you know, Radio Silence, that duo, they're making their mark. They're kind of on the Osgood Perkins lane, they're on the fast track. They're they're staying in this horror lane. As we're getting close to wrapping up, I mean, really quick, uh we'll throw I'll throw it out there. George A. Romero is getting in, right? Like, he's not not getting in.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:57

Yeah, yeah. So if you know, we have a slew of directors that are on the cusp, and some of them maybe just like, you know, we're we're not gonna put somebody in over Romero or over maybe even like a James Juan, even though like you could get in on what they've already done, but other people have done more. So it's like, do they need to get a couple more if they're gonna get in? Like, you know, do they need a couple more? Anyway, so but they're they're on the fast track like Osgood Perkins is. I I think they're on they're on the cusp, just like him. Grace is a female protagonist. I'm 100% down for she's just awesome in this movie. It's what seven, eight, nine people against one, and she wins. Um she's the icon of the movie, she's front and center on the poster, so good that they gave her a sequel to this movie. The the props we talked about, the you know, the box is an integral part of the film and the the crux of it. She draws the hide and seek card. And if she didn't, it'd be a real shitty movie to watch her play checkers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:04

Because uh, you know, I just want to say I would I would watch some are we even playing checkers, though. I mean, uh yeah, yeah, I would too watch her do almost anything. I'd let her sell me insurance. That's that's high praise, sir. Yeah, high praise, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:21

So yeah, yeah, yes, on all of all of that, on radio silence, getting some more discussion, Grace as a female protagonist. Tomorrow evening's portrayal of her was amazing, and the you know, the the box with the card is a great prop. A show. And that gets us to our final film for the first uh six months of our journey here on the All Guts podcast, and Justin decided to pick Hellraiser.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:50

Hellraiser. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go for it. Rip the band aid off here. Not as good as I remember the movie, obviously, but no doubt this is an iconic character. Pinhead is uh, I mean, I would say more people know what a Centibyte is than you would expect, too, right? So, like, this whole universe was created out of Clyde Barker's mind. Although he's not a great director. Turns out not a great director. Pinhead's a great villain, though. Great villain that has a lot of meat on the bone to work with, right? Like, no pun intended with all the meat and stuff in the movie. Yeah, no shortest of short lists for Pinhead for Immortal Villain. Yep. Puzzle Box, in my mind, is also one of those. If the movie if you know anything about the movie, the 10 movies, this puzzle box is always there. It is a recognizable, it's this ornate cube, really, and then you manipulate it and you open the gay with L or whatever it is. Yeah. But yeah, I think those two should be on very short lists, but you know, if you think otherwise, you're wrong. That's all I gotta say.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:00

I agree. Yeah, but pinhead is top of the short list, and puzzle box is iconic, and I could pick that out blind.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:10

Yeah. Yeah, it turns out there's more than one of those puzzle boxes, too, guys. I forgot in hellbound that the doctor actually had a few of them. So I mean, there's a few.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:20

Well, Justin, if you picked Hellbound, I might take vacation that weekend.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:26

Dude, actually, I mean what's funny is like after watching Hellraiser, I think you guys should go into Hellbound. Just do it because it's kind of better. Yep. But it's kind of it's definitely kind of worse too. It's part, so it's hard. I'm trying to weigh it out, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:42

Yeah. Clive Barker would suggest would would prefer if you guys not call pinhead pinhead. He prefers the lead centibyte. So let's just call him that.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:54

I would have preferred if Clive Barker had more money to make this movie, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:59

That's so wild to me that he did not want it to be called pinhead, that he got so mad that people use the term pinhead. I'm like, Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:07

Well, okay. What the fuck do you think it is? If you call somebody's term lead centibyte. If you call somebody a pinhead, though, you're not saying they remind you of Hellraiser, right? A pinhead is more like a dummy, I think, isn't it? I don't know what it is. Well, yeah, that's something from Charlie's days. What's a pinhead, everyone? Anyway. So Dick Warlock. Can we talk about Dick Warlock again?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:36

Well, yeah. Pin pinhead moving on for Immortal Villain, the puzzle box for sure. Yeah. Nothing else really needs to be mentioned from that film. There was a lot of stuff here, guys. I'm not gonna recap everything. I just highlighted what I needed to highlight. Yeah, I'm not gonna recap everything that we decided to move forward, but you know, we'll revisit this again in October when we do a similar episode with our the next 20 or so movies that we cover between now and October. And, you know, we'll do another short list, combine these, and then we'll we'll do our Hall of Fame induction.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:15

I have a suggestion for Mike. We're gonna cut cut this little part that I'm talking about out, but my suggestion would be like some kind of bear with us at the beginning of this episode. Some kind of, hey, this is just a live brainstorming session. If you really love the first Hall of Fame episode, have we got some fun for you? Right. Yeah, right. Okay, that's the end of the cutout part.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:40

Okay, extension of the cutout part. I really have to go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:45

We need to wrap this up. Wrap this up. Okay. Okay. There's some categories. I'll I'll jump in a little bit. There's some categories that I only took notes that we added like three characters to or or four from. Obviously, the props, we're gonna have a lot of work to do, guys. Yeah. Narrow this down to that'll probably be our most things that get in, right? The props.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:05

Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:06

And then I would like to keep the to the sanctity of the Hall of Fame. You know, maybe we put like a cap on like maybe two or three get in from each category by the end of the year. I don't know. We'll have to work that out. We'll we'll brainstorm it.

unknown 1:40:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:22

Workshop. Yeah. Workshop. All right. Yep. Charlie's got a piss. We need to get out of here. This took a lot. This took much longer than I thought it was gonna take. I think I way longer. I put the notes like spend 30 seconds on it on each part, and then everybody gets like a 15 or 30 second rebuttal, and we'll be through this in an hour, and we're coming up on two.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:41

So two hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:43

All right, guys. Well, thank you for listening. Let us know what you think about our um short list here. You know, did we overlook something? Is there something from this movies that we've covered that you think we didn't put in? Drop us a line in the fan mail. There's a link to our fan mail in the show notes. Thank you for listening to the All Guts Soak Gory podcast, as always. What's our next mini?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:06

Do we know? Uh right now, wrap it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:11

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