Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) Horniest Dracula Ever? | Charlie's Picks

Dracula has appeared in many different forms throughout film history. Francis Ford Coppola's re-telling portrays Dracula as equal parts lover, and evil being. THe guys discuss a number of topics on this polarizing film. Bram Stoker's Dracula, was directed by Francis Ford Coppola. Starring Gary Oldman, Winona Ryder, Anthony Hopkins, and Keanu Reeves. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:02

Coming up next, I've crossed oceans of movies. Brahm Stalkers, Dracula, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_05 0:13

From one of the most celebrated filmmakers of our time, comes the most unforgettable love story of all time. The mad and macabre. I'm just gonna back your brain. Playtime is over.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

I'm with Justin and Mike, and I think we're gonna have a good time today.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Right. We should have labeled this episode All Guts So Horny.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

I mean, this movie delivers.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

I've got to see a booze.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

It's a very horny movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

But I have a confession to make. This movie does not crack my top hundred list. Oh mean. As in horror movies? But I picked it. Okay, so I picked this movie because we did the that halfway through the year we're gonna look at the Mount Rush Gore of the characters. And prepping for that one, I was like, how the fuck did Dracula not make it into the inaugural class of immortal villains?

SPEAKER_03 2:07

I'll tell you why. Because he's not represented well in movies.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

That's true. At least modern. Mike and I talked about this briefly, and I said he's there's over 200 Dracula movies. And that's the most of any villain. And Mike said, Well, no Frankenstein. So I Googled it. That's exactly how he said he said, no Frankenstein. And actually, Dracula is. They only said over a hundred. I read somewhere like 218 plus. And then Frankenstein was over 50, but still by far running away with it, you know, way past any of the other villains out there on the immortal scale.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Yeah, they they might even there's movies that aren't Frankenstein movies, but Frankenstein's in it, and that's probably where they count, get the count up into the hundreds. Same thing with Dracula. They probably show Dracula. Like Monster Squad and stuff. Yeah, in like hundreds of movies.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

After the first, after the the uh Bella Lugosa Bella Legosi Dracula movie in like 31 or 31. 31. 31. Like the 40s, 50s, 60s, and even into the 70s, like you couldn't go through a year without having two or three Dracula-based movies. For sure. I mean, like Dracula, son of Dracula, you know, just like Dog of Dracula. But Dracula, Dracula's the main character. I'd watch Dog of Dracula, probably. Well, why not?

SPEAKER_02 3:30

You should have picked the 1931 one. It's 74 minutes and not like seven hours. Like Brahm Stoker did.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Two hours, seven minutes, and thirty-two seconds.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Tight seven minutes. Wait.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

It does. And so, you know, saying all that, yeah, this isn't one of my favorite movies. It it looked like it was more of a vehicle for the it actors and actresses of the day. Let's get them all in this one movie. Yeah. And let's base it, let's base it on Brahm Stoker's book. That'll give us some street cred. But now when you search it, like on IMDB or anything like that, it's just Dracula. Right. The movie title Brahm Stoker from the on the opening creds is Brahm Stoker's Dracula. That's the title of it. That's the original title, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Correct. So somewhere along the way they dropped it. Yeah. Because it's not that much like the book. I mean, it has the same outline of events, but you know, they turned it into a different well, we can talk about that a little later.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

The Brahm Stoker estate was like, hey, this Keanu Reeves performance, we don't want to be associated with it.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

You guys, when do you guys now? Or do you want to hit as we go through the cats?

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Yeah, let's go through the cats, but I'm gonna say it's okay, Keanu. I love Keanu Reeves. Other things that were worse.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

By all accounts, a great human being. Like, if anyone was gonna get the the powers of Superman on Earth, like we all had to vote, I'd vote Keanu Reeves. Yeah, you would be Ryan Gosling's second. I'd vote for you, Charlie. Well, thanks. It would be a bad decision on your part.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

One of those brides looks suspiciously like you, Charlie. Is that you on Keanu's nuts?

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Okay, 1992. Because I really want to get to that part of this. 92 is when this movie came out. What were you guys doing in 92?

SPEAKER_02 5:19

So 92 was a banner year for me. I was seven going on eight. And I feel like when I looked at the list of movies that came out in '92, it's where I remember vividly a lot of trips to the movies. Here's I made a list for you guys of the movies that I saw in the theater as a seven-year-old going on eight. Oh my god. Wayne's World, Beethoven, The Babe, Batman Returns, A League of Their Own. I like baseball if you can't tell. Honey, I blew up the kid. My maybe my first horror movie in the theater, Pet Cemetery 2. Eddie Furlong, man. That's a good one. The Mighty Ducks, Mr. Baseball, and then in the theaters at the same time that Brown Stoker's Dracula was, Home Alone 2, and Aladdin. You saw all of those in one year as a one year as a seven-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Charlie's thinking Bragg Mutting up my game.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

So I don't know. Maybe it was just a good year for movies, or like, hey, we can go do stuff inside. Like, you know, I I we just took the boys to see Super Mario Galaxy movie, and they were good during it, but I asked them like later, like, you know, what'd you think of it? And then I asked someone's like, so what happened? Like, what happened in the movie? And like they couldn't tell me one thing that happened in the movie. They're just like, uh, I don't know. I have that. And I maybe that's just because they're kids three and six. I know they're kids. But I'd like to, yeah, I was like just curious, like, where their mind's.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, I paid$40 for us to go to the movies. You could tell me four words about the movies, right? Right?

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Exactly. And I and I feel like, you know, if you asked me after going to see a league of their own, like, what was that about? I could tell you, like, oh, you know, it was a girls' baseball league that sprung up and girls were playing baseball. You would have been able to tell them what I'd at least be able to say something about it.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

There's no crying in baseball. You would have to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

There's no crying in baseball for sure. Like, what happened in Home Alone 2? They left their kid at home again. Like, you know, bricks to the head. Tell you something about it. But so maybe when you're like seven, eight years old is when you can actually start forming like thoughts or you know, of what you've seen and be able to be like, I like that, I didn't like that, or whatever. But I don't know. Anyway, that was my 1992. But you didn't see it in '92. I didn't see Dracula in 1992. No, I saw that later on, probably still in high school, maybe caught it on HBO Cinemax one night. And that was actually the last time I watched it because before re-watching it for this. Frankly, I just didn't like it, and so I never really revisited it. Revisiting it now, I went into it more of an open mind to be like, okay, I like Gary Oldman, I like Keanu Reeves, Anthony Hopkins, like a better idea of you know what he's all about. Like, I just like a lot of these actors and appreciate their work. What year was Silence of the Lambs? 91. Okay, okay. Which I still didn't see that till later on in life. You did double feature, just when you start. But then I I went into this, like, this rewatch was like, all right, I got I'm gonna open mine. I still found this shit fucking boring. It's like, I mean, the Shakespeare of it all is just not for me. Yeah, overacted, underacted, like scenes just not really connecting with each other, like there was just like a series of bits, I felt like, and not like a narrative to the story. I don't know. Just yeah, I thought maybe more and more chore I'd appreciate it, and I do appreciate that some of the acting performances, but man, it's just a slog of a movie.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

The three brides, you really appreciated them. No martyrs, but I've got a similar similar thoughts to to Mike, maybe a little higher on it than he is. So I looked at my IMDB rating because you know, you review movies on there, and I guess nostalgic maybe grade it as an eight because I haven't seen it in a long time, probably 30 years, right? So maybe 28 years, some a long time ago. How about that? But yeah, I had to drop it down to at least at most a seven on this one, I think. And it's that's generous, it's it's kind of all over the place. I I'm sure Charlie's gonna get in this, but we're going to Copla Copla takes huge swings. Nobody's gonna ever accuse him of half-assing anything. So when you take big swings, sometimes you hit it out of the park and sometimes you look foolish. I'm not quite sure where I land on all of this. There were I don't think foolish is the right word.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Well, it won three awards for the costume design, a set design, like makeup effects, things like that. He went all out, but I think just the story itself is I don't think it's a story that maybe Americans like, and we'll talk about it with the box office numbers too. But that that when I looked at those numbers, I it raised some out raised a question. But sure, we'll have a draft. This was the era of horror too, where slashers are dead. I don't like the term elevated horror because it's like I hate that term. We love it. What do you think you're better than us? Like, you're not, but this is the the part of horror where they start trying to win Oscars, right? Like Silence of the Legends, Jacob's Ladder, Misery, or just like they're smarter horror movies. Slashers are dying, like you know, we're up to like Slumber Party Massacre 3, Silent Night Deadly Night Four. Like, you know, Dracula, they're trying to win Oscars with this.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Yeah, I I could see that maybe or win three of them. It did win three. It was very much a romanticized version of Dracula and very focused on the love. So it's it almost has a hard time being a horror movie the whole time, wouldn't you say? It's very there's a lot of seduction, still takes a chance on that pining. Which I watched last night with Olivia for the first time. Nice. But yeah, so this definitely ushered in like the interview with the vampire type things, and then later the twilights and stuff where there's more behind these aren't just killing creatures, these are these are lovable creatures.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Right. And the th it's it's Americanized. We'll say it that way. We as Americans are from Europe mostly, but a lot of Americans come from a lot of different parts of the world. And a lot of cultures, they they say, you know, like every culture has around the world has a vampire mythology. Not exactly. Like there's the Dracula Americanized in our head vampires. But even in Europe, they have different ideas of what vampires are and what they do and why they do it and how you kill them and how they survive. And like in Asia, they have like something sort of like a vampire, but even in Asia, I mean, Asia, we we say, like, you know, we eat Italian food, French food, Mexican food, smell to bad is where you go. Uh English. And then we just say Asian food. Like Asia is just one country. Yeah, don't be racist. All of their stuff is really Chinese food still. But you're talking about Japanese food when you say in barbecue. But it all gets we don't say European food. Yeah, but all their stuff kind of gets lumped together. And this whole thing about vampires, like it it's just kind of all over the place. But yeah, I agree. Especially once Hollywood got a hold of the vampire, it became their thinking, living creatures with you know human motive type motivations and and but if you watch like what was this the Strogoy, something like that. It was like a Russian or a Czech vampire movie. It was like, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_03 13:06

I think most people that try to tackle Dracula nowadays focus on a much shorter story to tell within the whole Brahm Stoker story. Like The Voyage of the Demeter was actually the one part that was missing from this movie, right? They went into Oh, it's in the movie. A little bit, yes, but it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't go like it's that's a feature-like movie nowadays, right? Is what I'm saying. So where we're learning about his lore, that probably would have been a flashback in modern movies, right? So that would have been just a three-minute, five-minute flashback, and then he's he's entering London, you know, or another flashback to the Demeter, but not trying to be both and including Harker's was the Demeter, it was that part of the the Braun Stoker book. Well, it's it's yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

So Charlie, do you have the similar buyer's remorse of picking Dracula for this pod as Justin Justin had for picking Hellraiser?

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Do you remember do you remember this differently as you do now? I saw this originally in the theater. I was like 23 years old, you know, in the Air Force, in the level of the Air Force where you do a lot of floor mopping and you know, sweeping and you know, pulling weeds out of dirt in the front of the commander's office and shit like that. And I so I was into all those. Like when I saw the cast, I was like, wow, this is awesome. I know everybody in the cast, even the bit parts were great. And so I remember the movie well enough. Like if I hadn't seen it 30 years, I would I feel like I would remember enough of the movie. But I watched the movie th throughout the 90s. It was just one of those you just throw in, or or it would you would see it. And but over time it hasn't aged well there are better horror movies coming out every day, and and then it slowly gets pushed down in the ranking and pushed down in like God, the acting is just so hard to overcome sometimes. And we'll we'll get we'll get to that hopefully soon when we get to I say we just go through it when when we get the to the cast. Yeah. Movie taglines, the one on the poster, Love Never Dies. Like we were shitting on the the ones that were like super long. These are like one of them is beware. Heyware. There we go. Maybe not long enough. The blood is life. These are like two short. I mean, love never dies. Love never dies a solid. It fits the movie because that's what it's about. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

But yeah, yeah. It's not a sentence. I mean, it's a short sentence, which is what you want your tagline to be.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Right. It it fits. I don't mind it. Yeah. So the box off with this office for this, Coppola went all out. He spent a lot on set design. It was all filmed in LA. All on set. The whole goddamn thing was a set. What did he spend? He spent a lot of money on the set, the costume design. He wanted to go ball out on building the atmosphere. And obviously was forced to take this cast, and then just you know it it seems like he was asleep at the wheel as far as directing goes, but we don't know how many takes the each can who see Canu Reeves scene took. So maybe that was the best to get out of them. It seems like one take, but yeah, I don't know. So forty million dollars. They didn't travel anywhere. No, these were all young A-listers at the time. True. Even Oldman wasn't as big then as he is now. So the budget wasn't spent on actors, and the Hobsons had just come off of Silence of the Lambs, so he still wasn't able to pull what he was probably pulling in the early odds.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

So they used a lot of miniatures and a lot of like 19th century effects, like like the backdrops and the shadow puppets and things like that to keep that budget. So yeah, I think 40 million is not that bad, though, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Probably a lot on the cast.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

It's a big guest. Yeah, yeah. It looks like lots of this movie is shot like like it's a stage play. Right. Right. And it that's on purpose, right? Yeah, it's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

So gross US and Canada was 82 and a half million. The opening weekend was 30 million, which is even today is is a good opening. Bad opening. Yeah. And then like 215 milli 215 million worldwide.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

That's what raised the eyebrows for me. Is sometimes you get movies where it's like the worldwide number is close to the American number. It doesn't do well overseas. Or it just doesn't do well, or it's not marketed over there, or it's just not their thing, or whatever. I think it speaks to yeah, what Charlie said. So more than double worldwide. Well, worldwide doesn't exist. That's where I'm like, maybe Americans just aren't into this. Like I don't know how Nosferatu did that came out in what end of 24. I don't know. Did well with the awards and stuff, I think. But this, but 82 million here, so but did more than double worldwide? Like, how many movies have we covered that that's been that happens in more recent right?

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Because the the buying market in China and India is just so fucking huge now. If they like a movie, they can triple quadruple what we pay.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

What's a triple quadruple? Is that like Dodeca? Triple it or quadruple it, trip they triple commas well.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I'm not a person who talks periods and commas and quote and hashtag.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

If you could start, put those in your slide. If you could start for this podcast, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Three Academy Awards, it won a bunch of Saturn Chainsaw Awards. I mean, it was just like the list was so long I just stopped at three Academy Awards. And all of them were for like sound editing, set design, and costume. So that's where all the money went, and that's I mean, he really did a good job on that.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

So, real quick, the budget for Nosferatu, which came out in the end of 24,$50 million budget. Oh, made$95 million here, made$181 million worldwide. So again, made like so not as Sarka, not as well. This is in the worldwide world worldwide$180,$181 million. I think that includes ours, right? Yeah, okay. So it's like, you know, not some movies just don't do that. Like it'll say, like, if it says$100 million US, maybe it's like$120 worldwide or something. Yeah. But here, the I mean, with Dracula stuff, it's just worldwide, it's just way more popular. Maybe it was really big in Europe. I don't know. Could be. It's a European story. Yeah, it's definitely take. I mean, it's a London story, it's British, it's yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Okay. Director, Francis Ford Coppola.

SPEAKER_03 20:01

You mean Sophia's dad? You've heard of him, Charlie? Nick's brother. Remind Charlie.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Nick's uncle. Nick's uncle, sorry. Do you care who made the chili in this one?

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I I I don't really care, but I know his name. Oh, yeah. It's a huge name. I know his daughter's name. Godfather. Obviously, Godfather's nephew's now. Conversation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Is that what it's yeah?

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Apocalypse now, the outsiders. Right. Yeah. Some some really huge hits. Huge.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Yeah, we don't.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

And you need to be huge for me to recognize. And even then, sometimes I don't. So Juan? James Juan?

SPEAKER_03 20:36

So I I I kind of I feel like his what's that? Megalop what's the one he just did? Megalopolis or something. Megalopolis, yeah. Yeah, he did something similar where he took the Adam Drivers and the Shiloh Booths, and I think, yeah, just a bunch of the young, it kind of people, and and retold the story. And I think this one is feels similar to that, where it's like you're trying to tackle this huge thing, just put fresh faces on there and hope for the best. That seems like the formula for this movie.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

It paid off at the bank. Laughed his way to the bank. Yeah, yeah. The critics liked it. Ebert gave it a three out of four stars. I mean, the popcorn is like a 69, or the tomato is a 69, the popcorn is a 79. So it's a generally liked movie, but it just kind of sits in the mid range for me as far as it has rewatchability, but we'll get to it when we get to the actors. That's that's where the movie lives.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

I say let's let's go around the room and say something nice about the movie real quick. It was beautiful. It was very pretty. Right. I think I think Dracula's design was really cool. I love that they showed the different forms of them. Yep. That was really cool. You don't always get that. Mike, you're turned.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

No, yeah, I mean the stuff that it won awards for rightfully should have. I mean, the costume design, the makeup, the practical effects here, not CGI to death. I always appreciate that. Yep. You know, that's that's what I my my takeaway from is a it's a beautifully shot movie. Ideal length for this movie, Mike? No, a little long.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

It's a little bit more. Yeah, I think they could have shaved a little bit. I think 145. I think they could have told us in the world.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Which weirdly made it seem like it was boring. Yeah. Weirdly, yeah. Because you you can't like lash onto something and follow it through. It's just like, here's, and then we'll wait. And then we'll wait a minute. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

I mean, it was just And I don't even understand. I don't even know I don't know much of the Dracula lore other than like garlic, sunlight, stake in the heart, you know, across, whatever. Like, I didn't know Dracula had a lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Like well, he had disagree. He had to wear sunglasses.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

That is a good point, but I think I do believe that was in the book in you know, him coming to London and buying some real estate, and that's how Renfield fits in the place, right? Which Harker subsequently.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Well, we'll get to that, but uh there's some for me that's a big plot hole. It's probably got a notary that he okay. So the writers, Brahm Stoker is credited as one of the writers. Yeah. I'm sure no one in his family got a nickel. Well, died 180 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

If you're credited, I think the estate would get something. Right. I I do believe that was uh Taylor Swift's point in co-crediting George Michaels' estate with one of her songs that she did.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Or maybe there's no estate and nobody out there.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Oh, and I mean it it's probably public domain by now. That's why there's like so many movies. Right. It's so easy to do it. They should do a Steamboat Willie and uh Dracula crossover kind of movie. And Popeye and Popeye.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah. Okay. All right, let's get to it. The actors.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

And Winnie the Pooh.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Gary Oldman. He's a great actor. He's he plays Dracula, obviously. What? And the scene, when he's in a scene, I mean, one of the things I read was that Keanu Reese was so far out of his depth in this role that anytime he was in a scene with Gary Oldman, he would just get blown out. It was like he wasn't even there. You could have put a yellow dog in the seat to do what Keanu Reese was doing. And no notes. I I mean he was like, who said, oh, when we did Carrie, you thought the mother was it you Mike that said the mother was like maybe was she overacting? Yeah, yes. Was she overacting or she's she preaching? Played a 400-year-old vampire with a a broken heart still. Grab my cast eat people and like don't talk shit about it. Oh, yeah, when Kiaru left. Like it's I rewatched that and I was like, he made a joke about it. It didn't go so well. And he goes, uh then just like no laughing manner. Like, come on, guys. Yeah, somebody needs to work on the script or tone down the scene.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Don't be a dick, Dracula. That's what I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

But Gary Elman, and you know, Gary Olman every single part of the screen I think was great. Yeah. And and let's just skip to the next person I would like to do. Are we skipping over Gary? Okay, go ahead. Give me some more Gary.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Well, fifth element, the professional. He's in the slow horse. He's awesome. Taylor Soldier. That's a slow, slowest burn. I don't know if Mike could make it do that. But very good. It's so good, though. Still good. But yeah, Gary Oldman is one of my favorite actors. One of the most capable actors.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Situational. He plays like an MI5, like relegated to the back. It's called Sloughhouse. Oh, yeah. The place is called Sloughhouse, but they call him Slow Horses.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

Yeah, yeah. He's he's great. What Immortal Beloved he was even good when he was a horny Beethoven.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

I was like, what the hell? What about the one where he played a dwarf?

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Oh. Whose brother was he?

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Matthew McConaughey. Oh, I never saw it.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

I never saw it, but I saw it on TikTok where like they're like, Did this is this a real movie? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

No, he's good. Yeah. So he he earns Dracula on the heels of playing Lee Harvey Oswald and JFK. Oh yeah. Yeah. Amazing in that. And then after Dracula knocks out my favorite movie, True Romance. Oh, right. Plays Drexel Spivey, a white pimp who thinks he's black. Did he have a British accent? I think he had like a Jamaican, didn't he?

SPEAKER_03 26:44

He was like playing a Jamaica.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

I mean, yeah, he had dreadlocks and he has scars on his face. He's brave. He's brave. That's not a white boy day, is it? Much like Coppola.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

He does not no half-ass performances for him. I know I'm pretty.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

No, true romance is he's amazing in that. And he's only in it like 10 minutes, maybe. But but yeah, they uh Tony Scott called him to offer him the part and was like, you're like, so you're a drug dealer, a white drug dealer who thinks he's black, and before he could get like any morality, he's like, I'm in. Like he was like, I'm in. Like, sound sounds good.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

I love the actors that are like, hey, I want to be different than I was in the last movie. You know, he's definitely different. Chris Pratt's no no shitting on Chris Pratt, but like he's always Chris Pratt, right? Chris Pratt and everything, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Sylvester Stillard and Sylvester Sloan and everything. Wrong movie, guys. We could go off on that.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Yeah, so but yeah, we need to give Gary Oldman his flowers. Yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

For sure, for definite. Commissioner Gordon, by the way. And then we have Anthony Hopkins. So he played he played the priest in the beginning, and then he plays Van Helsing. And I, you know, we I like actors who play a character instead of be themselves, but now they're this character. Right. Like Robert De Niro is Robert De Niro in every single movie. He's the same guy.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

I just like to see an angrier version of him sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Angrier, nicer. It's still Robert De Niro. In his older age, yeah. But Al Pacino back in the day. I mean, just say hoo-ha. No. That doesn't make you settle down. Stop.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

You're way out of bounds here. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Anthony Hopkins. Recently, yeah, and there's things that he does. Because you can impersonate like Pacino, because he has certain mannerisms, certain ticks that come out in some of the roles he plays. But if you go back, there is a big, giant big change in how he plays Michael Corleone, to how he plays Serpico, to how he plays Dog Day Afternoon. I agree with Mike. So so so different. I agree with Mike. He's not just Al Pacino and all those. He is he becomes one of the people that he's playing.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

There's a growth of Michael Corleone. He doesn't even play Michael anymore. So what do you guys think about Anthony Hopkins? Alright, so Anthony Hopkins is great in his older films, but this one I feel like the director could have stepped in and been like, You're a little your accent's a little weird. You're acting a little. I mean, I see he's supposed to be off the rails, unhinged, yeah, and a little menacing in some ways, but like there's times where it came off a little too hokey for me. But I do like Anthony Hopkins like that.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

And he's not using his vanishing. Yeah, he's Van Helsing. So he's Dutch. He's Dutch, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:33

He's Dutch. Yeah, that explains.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Do you think he's the priest from the beginning?

SPEAKER_03 29:39

He was the priest from the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

I know he was, but I mean, do you think he's just a priest that because he's like there's a part in the movie where he says, you know, we found him. I've been chasing him my whole life. Uh why? How do you know? This guy's been sitting in Romania 400 years.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

He had the book. He had the lore. He had the book and all the Romanian. About all the vampires. So Van Helsing has been chasing him and he knows about vampires.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

So is is Dracula the the first vampire in Bromstoker's Dracula?

SPEAKER_03 30:08

I spawn of all vampires. I I would assume that is the patient zero, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Okay. Alright. Alright, now let's let's talk about Monica Bellucci. One of the Dracula's prides. I got. You may know her from one of the Matrix movies.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Much like when I'm watching the movie, I have no comments because you know I'm too enthralled in what's going on there.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

I just wanted to throw that out there.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

No. Have you guys seen Shoot 'em Up? Yeah, I've seen Shoot 'em Up. She's in that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Full bodied performance?

SPEAKER_02 30:46

No.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Almost. But no.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

But yeah, she's great.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Wasn't she in uh John Wick too? No. I don't know. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

She probably had a bit part in shop. But she had a bit of a small part and um was it the second maybe? Second one with the one on the top. Okay, so for real. For real. Lenona Ryder, Mina.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Probably probably the biggest star in this movie at the time, in a weird way, because she had banged out Beetlejuice Heathers, Edward Scissorhands, and you know, Mermaids and all this stuff. She was she was the child actress that everybody was like, we're gonna watch whatever you're in, right? So I think it was her idea too. I think the movie she came to Coppola with the idea, I think, from what I read.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

That's why she got the part.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

And it was like it was important for her to try to, I feel like there's a fine line you have to walk when you're a child actress or actor and you're trying to be viewed as an adult.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

She's like a barely child actor, right? Teenage, a teenager.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

She's still teen, right? So like she played these Victorian parts pretty well in the Tim Burton stuff, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

And this I I real quick. So the 90s style of movies. I mean, this fits with like an Edward Scissors Hand, Tim Burton type. There was this type of movie going in the room.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

There was a group of directors that were that were yeah, she was she was kind of huge at the time. I'm trying to think of it. Maybe like a Millie Bobby Brown, isn't her name? Millie. Bigger than that, I think. Right, bigger than that. Or Sydney Sweeney-esque, where like you're just watching them go from like teenage to you know, like into heartthrob type of roles, right? So I she was big in this one.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

She I don't think she's not a great actress.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Is that where you're going for that?

SPEAKER_01 32:37

I don't think she's a bad actress. I think she's a good actress. I don't think she did well in this movie. I don't think, yeah. I think you she one of the people that could have been replaced easily. Not if it was her idea.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Not if it was her idea. That's right. That's like when you're the kid and you bring the basketball and you want people to play basketball. You're on every plan, man. Right. It's her basketball, right, Mike?

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Exactly. Damn right.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

So Keanu. Love Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Keanu.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

I mean, he is a great Neo. He's a great John Wick. He's been in speed. I mean, he Point break. Point break. Has been in a ton of movies and a lot of good movies. Yeah. And he's done well and he's a good person. People like him still. But this movie, it was so hard.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

He's Bill, right? Or is he Ted? Theodore. Is he Ted Theodore Logan or Bill S. Pres? What is he?

SPEAKER_01 33:41

He's Bill.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Okay, because that came out a few times when he was when he was like arguing with Dracula. I'm like, that is that's Bill, right? Right. That's Bill. Yeah. And his yeah, it very What's your take? The accent fluctuated.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

What do you think about Lenona and Keanu?

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Winona Ryder was fine in this. I do like her as an actress.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

She didn't have a very good British actor.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Killing it in Stranger Things. You know, they were just wrapped up, really enjoyed all of those seasons, obviously. And I mean, Keanu Reeves, again, like, yeah, I like I like when he shows up and stuff, but he's just this this was not a place I don't think he fit. I don't know. I just don't know. Not as he did because what was it? Point break came out right before this. Maybe they were like, oh, he's Ted, by the way. Oh, he's Ted.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Ted Bill, nuance.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

You know, point break, so good, but then you know, this is not point break, all right? You're not like just right surfer. This is completely different level, like it's just a completely different level of acting, of dramatic acting that he doesn't do. He can do speed, he can do uh Bill and Ted, he can do The Matrix, he can do John Wick. So but I don't think he's this is in his lane.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

He was in Dangerous Liaison, which is weirdly similar to this. A little later, I think he was in Much Ado About Nothing, which is a Shakespeare one, or if that was before that, but like he's done roles that you know try out his accent, right? But this one it faltered quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Took me out of it every time because they're doing like British accents, then he tries, and it's just like it's not this. Could have been career not right.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

But I think he was so hot in the 90s. He's got the pretty passes.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

He's those other movies were coming and they kind of like whitewashed.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Attractive people get you know more, you know, passes. And I would say most people, especially Mike, find him attractive.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

I mean, say what you want about speed, diehard on a bus, whatever. One, it's a great fucking movie, and two, he had incredible chemistry with Sandra Bullock.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Pop quiz hot shot. So, you know. All right, all right, keep us going. I mean, it's got a lot of people in it. Dread Pirate Scott? Not Dread Pirate. What? What? Princess Bride, the Ellis, yeah. I was trying to think about it. Love Carrie Ellis. Yeah, Roberts. Dread Pirate Roberts, yeah. I was thinking of Dred C. Scott.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Dread C.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Mr. Sleep Away Dred C. Scott. Um Carrie Ellis.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

And Carrie Ellis is another one. Like he's British, and he it's like he's not even using his extra. He's British.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Yeah. He's great. I like Carrie Ellis, but it's more of the like it's a smile because I'm like, oh, that's Wesley, oh, that's a lot of faces, but I didn't know their names, like Richard Grant, the doctor.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

He's been in a lot of stuff. Tom Waits.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Tom Waits.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

The singer.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

The singer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Renfield. Billy Campbell as the as the cowboy.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

Yeah, that's Rocky. He's been in the Rocket Man or not Rocket Man, Rocketeer. Rocketeer. Yeah. We got to talk about Sadie Frost, who is Lucy. Yeah. Just no reason.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

I don't remember seeing her in anything.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

I just I just like her in this for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

She got into that character. She's a fashion designer. She also produced a lot more than she acted.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Let's produce some big stuff. I definitely want to talk about Lucy's scene down into the crypt later. So let's take a minute on that because that was dope right there. Not in a sexy way. Yeah, the sexy way was her banging with the wolf man guy. Right. A wolf Dracula.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Okay. I'm ready to move on. Move on. Let's do it. Alright, let's do this. Okay, so we're gonna I'm not gonna go scene by scene. We're gonna do kind of light. I'm gonna kind of lead us through. And if you s want to talk about a certain scene or certain thing. Okay. So the movie opens up. It's 1462. Romania.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Good year.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Constantinople has fallen. The Ottoman Empire.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Wait, is it Istanbul?

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Yeah. Is has taken it over and is marching into Europe. Muslims killing all the Christians. I mean, hey, let's just spawn some hate crimes in the early 90s. And kind of like their last, I don't know if this is historic. The last guy to stand up before Europe falls is Vlad the Impaler, Dracula.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

Fantastic armor design. Iconic armor design, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Probably. Almost futuristic for 1400.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Right. Almost looks like it's some space armor. Yeah. It's awesome. And did you come from Mars in that shit? You can tell that they're using like shadow puppets and stuff like that for the impaling and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

But it's a lot of shadows in this movie very effectively with Dracula's character later.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

I liked it a lot, the opening scene. And obviously, you know, starts from for sure. Leads us into the turn. Okay, so he some some joker, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Some joker sent a letter. And somehow, while he's on the battlefield, he realizes something's wrong. And I don't know how that letter beat him to his castle.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

One of those impractical jokers.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

And you know, the narration done by Anthony Hopkins, you know, lets another lets us know that the Turk shot an arrow into his castle in the window where Elizabeth uh hanging out and says, We killed your boy. Ha ha ha.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

She's so face value and just jumps out the window.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Throws herself into a river that you never see, which is really a cool visual scene when she's falling into that chasm and the fog and the smoke and the darkness. And so no uh wait, hold on. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Right. Like, can I see the body? Yeah, let me oh fuck, at least wait till the funeral. I'm jumping out the window. Wait till the funeral.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Jumping out the window. And she left the suicide note behind. So Vlad uh Dracula gets back and she's in the little chapel, which is where the movie ends. Full circle. Um, and she's there dead, and he's broken up, obviously. And then the priest is like, well, you know, she can't go to heaven. She suicide might want to wait. Then he fucking foreks that little I defend you in the name of God. Yeah. That silent crying thing that he does was like I mean, did Dracula think he was gonna get to heaven?

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Did Vlad think he was gonna get there? It was Vlad at the time, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:38

He's defending Christianity.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Yeah, he's a metting for what you do to the to the infidels. I mean, as long as you say sorry at the end. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

Anyway, so the priest says, like, she's she's going to hell. Sorry, bruh. I'm sorry, bruh. And he fucking freaks out, pushes them, stabs the cross, you know, blasts fiends, and you know, says, fuck you, God, and blood starts coming out of the cross, and that's where he gets the heart. I think he could have gone further. Blood for life and blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Oh, and then it started flooding.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

Becomes evil.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

I think he could have gone further. I think he could have killed some priests up in there. Oh, I'd have killed everybody easily. Yeah. So now he's now he's he's Dracula. Yeah, hey, I'm Dracula. Mortal. What's up, bitches? I'm Dracula. Looks good for 400 years old.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Sometimes. Not all the time. So then we boom into modern day at the time, 1897. Yeah, that's we London. Where we see Keanu.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Harker.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Keanu, Jonathan Harker. Oh, that accent was so bad. Okay. So he's a brand new, they call him solicitor. He's a brand new lawyer, and the firm he works for, he needs to pull together this deal for this Romanian count who wants to buy some property, property in London, and maybe move to London. They sent a guy out there, Renfield, which I feel like he had a bigger part in the book. And he has over the course of Dracula movies throughout Hollywood. And there's a whole movie called a new movie, which is pretty good. Yeah. And definitely bloody Renfield. Nick Cage. Nick.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

Aquafina.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Aquafina. I don't get that.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

All right. So this will set him up for life, basically. Because he's like a clerk at the law, right? No, he's a lawyer. Didn't it mention, like, didn't somebody say law clerk? But yeah, so he's a junior, like a junior lawyer, right? A lawyer. Yeah. But this will probably make him a partner or you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

He needs Sarah's expertise for this part. Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

And he's engaged to Mina, when I'm a writer, who lives, we we never see her parents. She lives with Lucy and only during his only while he's away.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Well, they couldn't live together before because it was 1897 London. So I don't know where she was.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

Yeah, where was she because she mentioned that because he was away, she was gonna live with this rich and he didn't like the idea because you know, don't get used to all this fancy shit, Mina. Right.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Now I preface this again. Like I said before, I was bored watching this movie. Except when the uh Kama Sutra came up. When is is Mina like Elizabeth reincarnated? Yes. Well, yes, Dracula is so like drawn.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Yes, or she looks just a trap. She looks just like her, and she does share these memories. I mean, that we're gonna spoil a little bit, but she shares this fondness and this longing to be with him. So it is a reincarnation, right? But that's not in the book at all.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

We hit the first plot flaw, plot hole for the first time. I have not read the book either. How does he fucking know about her? For the longest time or my Harker had the locket. But he was buying property in London way before Harker shows up. I think he had kind of Did Renville? Clue he didn't Renfield didn't know Harker because Harker's brand new.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Renfield probably knew him, don't you think? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

That's the whole. How did he know about her?

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Yeah. But then when he looks at the picture, it's like crazy bone.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Like he just found out about her. And then, like, well, then the other part at the beginning of this makes no sense. This is something where you he had to find out about her, and then he wants to move to the book.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

They shoehorn the entire romance into this story that's existing already. Yeah. Like, I don't know if if Mina was even in the I don't think Mina was in the book.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

They shoehorn this whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

I almost kind of maybe want to read the book, but probably not. That's not gonna happen. Unless it's on stream.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Maybe is there like an audio? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Yeah, unless it's streaming somewhere. Streaming audio.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

I'm sure there's I'm sure there's a the audio book is out there narrated by Anthony.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Okay, so in the book, Mina is not a reincarnation of Elizabeth. She's in it, but she's not a reincarnation, so it is just Harker's. He just likes her. Dracula likes her. I don't even in the book, he's more just stalking and killing. He's not trying to like shack up with anybody. So he was just trying to move to London to still more people, probably.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

It's the new world.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

After he's been sitting in Romania. Linking it for 400 years.

SPEAKER_03 45:22

It's the new world, man. The new world is the new world. Is the US America. Oh, like it's newer. How about the newer world than Romania?

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Okay. So he leaves, he takes this the cool scene of the train ride and actually arriving at the castle. I love that scene where he's on the one carriage and he's getting off, and they're like, Don't do it. This is the wrong place to be out at night. This is the wrong place to be out in the day. Give him the cross. Give him the cross, the little cross, which does shit for him later. That hot spicy breath melts. He's walking around, and then the other carriage shows up with that dude driving in some kind of scale mail armor. Here's all I'd say. And then when he reaches out to get him and then lifts him up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

Was that a track or just one of his because he never shows up again? I think it's a minion. Maybe. Who knows? Unpowered, unknowable. I wouldn't get out of that other carriage until there was another carriage waiting for me, man. Those wolves weren't gone. Hey, can you just turn this shit around, man? I'll go work somewhere else and pump gas. Was this the dumbest character nomination already?

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Oh yeah. By far. Clearly. Without a doubt, the dumbest character. So he gets there. Then there's the whole thing. I remember the buzz about this movie was kind of the costuming in the set. And they called his hairdo a widow's peak. And like trackers. And there's this whole thing about how cool. The costumes were I mean, it looked like a butt on his head. He looked like Mr. Burns, Mr. Burns.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

He did. I think they stole that from us.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

He was all old skin and like you could see the veins through like his skin is like super thin and almost transparent, almost. It's white white, albino white. Right. But I mean, his c the the place looks run down as shit, except for like the furniture. And then his costumes are like super clean and super bright and like pretty cool looking. So he shows up, they do their little, you know, there's a shaving thing, and then the you know, don't laugh at me thing, and then I don't eat or drink things. Wine.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

No, I never I never drink. I already ate wine.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

I already dined, and I never drink wine. What's that? And even his accent wasn't that bad. It wasn't it wasn't bad though. It didn't take me out of the movie every time he talked, like with Keanu.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

I am Dracula.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

So yeah, he gives a little brief history, and then the shadow thing where he's like finding signing the final papers and he sees the picture, and he you see the shadow behind him, and then he turns around and the shadow's still there, but the dude's you know over here on the left this time.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

So he's now the proud owner, and then he gives the line of you know, the luckiest man in the world is the one who finds true love.

SPEAKER_03 48:24

Right. Hey, why don't you why don't you write to your loved ones in your work say you're sticking around for a month?

SPEAKER_01 48:31

That's what that's not uh so yeah, and he's sending all these letters and stuff, and he even says, like, I'm pretty sure the count's reading them, so I'm not gonna tell you everything that's going on. But he's giving kind of an account of what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

That's not why he didn't want to tell her everything. So then yeah. So then he's warned not to go anywhere else in the castle. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Don't don't stray, but of course he does. And then he runs into kind of everybody's favorite scene. More mature than that.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Oh, were you better than me?

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

I'm more mature than that.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

I would never women pause that scene and coming out of the mattress.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

Where are they ever?

SPEAKER_01 49:14

And there was nudity to gallop.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

Breastes exposed.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

And he's all like some kind of like hypnotized or whatever, and then they start biting a book.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

That's what I would say too. I'd say, Oh, baby, I was hypnotized. It's not my fault.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

If this was in the book, this is why movies are better.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

Just saying.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Yeah, no, they have a power to hypnotize me.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Sometimes other people's imagination is much better than yours. Right. Dracula shows up, what the fuck, y'all? He's mine. Y'all leave him alone. And then he's all like, oh, but I brought you something. Brought him a baby. A baby. First of all. I've talked before about characters that cannot be redeemed because of things they do in a movie. So they either have they have to die. Like Darth Vader, Kylo Wren characters. It's true. When he brings that baby in. No. There's nothing he can do after this. You didn't feel bad for him? True love, fuck true love. Fuck you and your true love. I want to keep you apart forever now. Right? What kind of horseshit is that?

SPEAKER_03 50:20

I think that's where like you're you're getting you're hitting on a part where it's like it doesn't exactly land the plane because like did we want him to survive? You know, it's like I think they they tried to get us there where we feel bad for him. They tried their hardest. While trying their damnedest to make us hate him at the same time, right? Feeding the baby to what about the crazy mashup lady that was like yeah, I think was that like four legs and like two ladies together? All I gotta say is smash.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Yeah, you're more mature than I am. Way more.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Is it 1992?

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Smash.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Okay, so then we jump to London. Dracula comes in like a wolf creature and just starts causing havoc and shit. And there's some little scenes with Lucy and Mina, which I guess is supposed to make us, you know, like show like regular. This isn't just an action movie. This is you know, this broken people with you know, with just character development. Right.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

They have some interactions and yeah, so like those a lot of those characters are in the book too, right? A lot of the suitors, I think uh Lucy's in the book too.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

So you got the cowboy starts to get more supernatural, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Yeah, yeah. You got the cowboy, you got the uh the prince, or not prince, but lord, and then kind of like the a lord of some sort.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

Gabriel is that's Lord, what's his name? Yeah. Mr. Sleep.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Wesley. Okay, so we we kind of get some like, you know, hey, this is going on, and then this we learn that Lucy's a little flirty, even though she mentioned she hasn't done anything dirty, but she's about to she's like turns out she's got a thing for dogs.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

So then we get to that part. It's like night semi-storming, and she's running around, and and meet uh meeting one owner writers running around after her, and she loses her. They're like in this house is amazing, and it's got like this, you know, English garden hedge maze thing, or labyrinth. I don't know what the difference is, but there's supposed to be a difference.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

This is a Minotaur. Every labyrinth has a Minotaur. This is a maze.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

That's a Minotaur. There's a frozen dude in his mixture. And then she comes around the corner, some lightning, no rain, but lightning, and Luci is just getting railed on some stone bench by a pretty hairy man. Good-looking werewolf, as far as like no, no, no. Whoa, ransom look good looking. I'm saying, like, Charlie's like could be used in different movies.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

You're like, hear me out.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

The werewolf could get it.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

He works out as glutes.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

So this just and it's just so like the the super love story. I've never loved anybody else. He's got a a super bed full of hot vampire chicks, and now he's just randomly showing up railing somebody.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

That wasn't love, that was lust, right? And so is Lucy. Lucy's lust. He's a hoe. He is a hoe, he's a hoe.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

And then she sees him and he like sees her and he's like, uh-oh. I've I don't want to be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Right, because Mina is engaged to Harker.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Well, and Mina is his ultimate desire, not Lucy's. Oh no, he's getting it.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

He's getting her, he's gonna get her.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

That's his point. But he wants he wants her to fall in love with him, I think is what he just wanted to have some fun, I guess. Right. He's been so and he's it's been a long trip. He's only eaten a few people under Demeter. He's still, you know, working on it.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Screw him.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Can we talk? So this was written in what the 1800s, the book was written probably. Late 18s. So I feel like this one of the scariest things is at the time was probably a force that can make your your book your wife, your loyal wife, be a hoe, and like just so that glam. Exactly. Want to leave you and sleep with somebody. So I think that was worked into this too. Is like she had no choice. This is the vampire with the glamour and all that stuff. And I feel like that was the times where it's like, what's gonna make your wife stray? Dracula dog is Dracula Dog turns out.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Easy, easy, easy kill. Okay, so uh, and he just runs off or whatever. So then you know, like run randomly runs into her on the street. Was it random?

SPEAKER_03 54:49

No, it was supposed to look like it was random, and he's he's baller costume for yeah, for for the uh listening audience, Mike has those blue sunglasses on right now on the tip of his nose.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Some John Lennon sunglasses on. Yeah, he does 18, what? 1897, right? Looking dapper. So they're like, you know, I'm a married.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

She's like, I'm engaged. She's kinda I don't want to say a bad word here. Kind of a bitch to him. I mean, he wasn't being that.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

But I mean, like just some guy out the street. This is like, hey, that's a very bold move. That'd be like walking up and kissing somebody on the street. Yeah, giving them up.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

But like all he said was, hey, which ways to this? And she goes, get a damn mat, bitch. Right. And I was like, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 55:34

But eventually, Shakespearean. Yeah, right. They go to this little weird movie, the little thing. A sexy movie. Did you see it? Wasn't it like a wolf running? Did I miss that?

SPEAKER_03 55:47

But then, like, later, as they're in a different part, like there's like some nudity in that movie. Or am I jumping ahead a little bit? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Nah, I think probably the same.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

Movie board the shit out of the gotta get the feeling Mike is not into this. But it's not bad enough to we can shit on it funny like we did with martyrs.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

The costume design was pretty solid. Like she was rocking that green dress, and he was rocking his little uh get up, which was obviously foreign, you know, and he obviously came off as a fish out of water in a new new area, right? Yeah, I thought he was dressed like he got younger, it was but like purple. Yeah, it was like he was but then his accent and was looking, like I said, dapper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

How how did he change where I missed that part?

SPEAKER_03 56:38

Change to what? Like, how does he get oh probably the Demeter drops the albino look and he just wants to? I I think that plus he fed a lot on the boat and Mon Lucy a little bit. I think as they feed, they get that life fat.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

It just seems like he can go back and forth. He can turn into rats, he can turn into werewolf, he can turn into a killer vapor. He can do that. Maybe the board meeting was cool as shit with the rats part. Yeah, that was awesome. He can turn into that demon vampire form, the old guy. I mean, he can just do whatever he wants to do.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

But don't you think it took it took some?

SPEAKER_01 57:11

I think he wanted to appear old to Keanu Reeves so that he wouldn't look exactly like the painting that was over his fireplace. Oh, good call. Yeah. And he wants to appear young to her because who's gonna go after the old guy? Not not one on writer. She got standards. She has standards. Lucy will fucking literally. So anyway, as far as that goes, I think he can just switch back and forth at will. Whatever he wants to do. Whatever fits out.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

L O O. Uh-huh. I think maybe both. I think he also he also amped up. He he drank all that energy blood, you know.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Yeah, five-hour energy blood. Exactly. Debatable. Okay, now we when we switched back over to Romania to the great escape. Gano's getting dehydrated.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

Get drained.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Not the best way.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

Also that way.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

I don't think so. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

At one point, it did imply heavily that they bit his dick.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

Yes. In the very first one. Yeah, definitely. She definitely bit his dick. Tear me out, man.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

Well, when you have an erection that lasts for more than four hours, you gotta drain it.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

I watched I watched the pit. They had to drain some blood out of that on that episode.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

And they used all the they used all the female doctors to do it too. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

So good on that actor, man. Unless that was a stun.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

I think it was prosthetic.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

Oh. Say. I'm fine with that. They bring all these people in audition. Drop your pants. No, no, no. Maybe me. No.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Oh, that'll work. That guy. That guy. And how long has it been that way, sir? Get him on the set now.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

So he's uh he's like woo all woozy. But he's gonna woozy here. He's gonna escape. He's gonna get out. He's climbing down the wall, the outside of the castle, falls into the river, gets swept away. Didn't die. Didn't die. Then kinda like convent? There's never any daytime in Romania. That's crawls out of water and and he comes up on the mud and there's the convent. Sure. He writes a letter home to Mina. Hey, I was held captive. I escaped. I'm not doing all that great. Do you know when Lucy's like go marry him? Yeah. Go there and marry him.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Here's my ring, catch this in. Right. And Lucy's already going through it. Did you know when three when three ladies suck on you for a month and your hair goes gray? What? Did I say something funny?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Okay. So she leaves, and then we we come back to is this is when Van Helsing shows up, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

Well, once Lucy starts acting a fool, like the doctor, her suitor, her former suitor, that's a doctor, calls to Van Helsing, who was a mentor, right? And then we find out he's letting bats suck on his thumbs and shit. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Hell nah. Okay, so there's the scene where Lucy's in her room, Dracula's in there getting his nightly snack. The dudes pop in and chase him off, and then Van Helsing is there, and he's you know, she's gonna be she's turning into a vampire, guys. I'm sorry. You know, she got holes in her neck, she's acting crazy, she doesn't like the cross, the garlic. She throws the garlic at one point, the flowers.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:54

He's a vampire expert, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Van Helsing is the local the European district vampire.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

He is always the foe to Dracula and every Dracula. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

There's even a movie, just Van Helsing, right? Like a movie. Yeah, Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

Not great. Not great. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Pass.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:15

Not great.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

I mean, if you're bored. It's like a it's like it's a more of an action movie than a horror movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

If you liked Extraordinarily Good Gentlemen, you'll love Van Helsing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

Have I got I kind of like that. I kind of like both of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

I'm not gonna say they're great. We own them both, I think. I'm not lying. Right. But Sarah, that's Sarah's fault.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Well, it's a Hugh Jackman thing. I'm sure Mary Marie's seen it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:43

So where so right now, like Lucy But Mina leaves to marry. Does Lucy die before Lena Marie? Same time. Same time. Like she's out the door and then look at the city. It is literally while while they're filming the marriage scene, they're filming Lucy's death. Like, like because they're right. Right. So they're trying to trap whatever's feeding off of Lucy, but he makes his way past and basically eats her like a wolf, right? Finishes her off. Runs in there like a wolf, eats her guts. Right. She dies.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

So she dies. Van Eller does like this is the guy I've been looking for my whole life and gets all happy and starts laughing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:20

The best scene. He's like, Get me, get me the what autopsy tool tools. And he's like, Really? We're at the wedding. He's like, No, I just I just want to cut her head off and take her heart.

unknown 1:02:31

I was like, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

What? So he rounds up the gang and they gotta go to the crypt. Finish the shit. To take care of her. Sorry, guys. None of you win. So they get there, and this is a pretty cool scene. Go ahead. You wanted to.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

One of the best scenes in the entire movie. There's a handful of great scenes that make this a seven in my book, right? So I mentioned I dropped it down to a seven, but it still deserves to be there. When they go into the crypt, remove the lid of the casket, coffin, whatever you want to call it, and it's empty. Tomb. The tomb, yeah. In the just in the big room full of tombs, right? Muslims. And it's empty, and they're like, where is she? And she slowly walks down holding the child that she had just taken to feed on, or whatever. Great cinematography in my book. There. Even this is where Anthony Hopkins actually redeems himself a little bit in my book, like him as almost like the exorcist, like him as the holding the cross, shouting her down, bringing her down into a bed before they have to do their thing. Was I I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Yeah, and the way they did it, it like it was filmed and then reversed. Was it? Yeah, I didn't catch that. You didn't catch it. It wasn't filmed it like it was gonna look. Oh, so she was doing a reverse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:53

But when she she's getting back in the tomb. In real time, she's getting out. Is that what you're saying? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

She was getting out, but they reversed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:00

To make it look unnatural. No, I didn't catch that. I like stuff like that when it's like, okay, that looked different. How did she do that? You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

Yeah. And then he's like, okay, boys.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Yeah, stab that shit.

unknown 1:04:12

Take care of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

But yeah, she still almost got Carrie. Carrie Ellis again.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

We missed the uh did miss something. Wait, was it later when uh so there's Renfield scenes throughout the movie? Yeah. Which does he feel tacked on to you, Renfield? Yeah. A little bit. Yeah, it's like he's important. He doesn't really do anything. Oh, he's tacked on. But I think the name is so important in the book and the mythos of Kayla. The doctor's like shooting.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:35

It's almost like he's there for exposition. Yeah. Yeah. Like, give me a cat. I want to give a cat to my master.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

So then they come back from Romania. Keanu's gray hair now, and he progressively gets grayer and grayer throughout the rest of the movie, except for at the end where he kind of the gray does it darkens a little bit. Maybe just an accident of what sequence of when they're shooting it in bad what do you call it? Continuity. Right. Like the continuity guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

There was a scene where he looked real gray.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

There's a scene where he looked really gay. Gay? Really gay. Whoa, it is 2026. Like his face even looked old at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

That's funny. No, I think a major theme of this was blood is life, right? So I think the less removed he is from having his blood drained, the grayer he should have been in that, to keep with that. But like it is wonky. It's kind of all over the place, right? The gayer he should have been.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Kind of like so we're talking, we're in the late 1800s. Where London was kind of the the w at least epicenter of the world. Epicenter of the world, but also in medical advancements where they did that whole thing where they illegally rob graves from the corpses so they could bisect them. And in And they're working on that whole mythos of that, you know, people forever thought that blood was the blood was the most important thing in your body. Oh, and you know, like the middle ages, they you get you you have a fever, you have too much blood, they want to get some blood out of it. At your barber. Right. That's a little scary. So they bloodlet you when they had leeches. But we were st and we're also in the time when I can't even trust my barber with my high top fade. Is running into all of those old way of thinking about how the human body works. And I think he was playing on that last vestige of the blood is you know, like your soul or whatever of your your essence of your body. Right. So it kind of just worked that way for the for the book, and I they just brought it into the movie. So what were we talking about? Renfield. Renfield tacked on. So writer and Reeves come back. She goes to visit Renfield. I can't remember why, because it was a slow part, and I just, you know, forgot it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Uh that was they were keeping they were trying to keep her safe in that that loony bin or whatever, basically, because they were gonna go bust up the crates full of formulating her while she was off getting married.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Right. And so she's talking to Renfield, and Renfield is like, run, you gotta get out of here. You know, in the whole movie, he's like, Master this and master that, but he's like, No, you gotta go. And then Dracula somehow finds out about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

He even shouted out at one point, I'm in a battle for my soul. So like he's doing good things and bad things, right? At the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

So, and then we have the scene where Dracula shows up as the green vapor and just you betrayed me. And he's like, No, man. Well, Master, you you said you were gonna make me mortal, yeah. And now you got this. I mean, you betrayed me in the piece, and then you know, Renfield's gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:57

So we assumed he died, like he was like angled up in that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

Getting smashed around in this prison cell. Did they show a was there a scene where they what they go in? That would have been a good scene to have. They go in and he's like cut in half or something. You know, just like there's no did he die?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

What's cool? Like, like for somebody that added not a lot to the movie, like that his design, and I'm sure the sketches of him and his the the long strait jacket kind of thing was was cool as shit. So they spent a lot of time sketching him out, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:32

And afterthought anywhere, nothing was half-assed anywhere. Even those guys at the end, the ones that were amazingly loyal to Dracula, were in no call them this beginning of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

They call them gypsies in the movie, so that is what I'm going to refer to them.

unknown 1:08:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

Can't say that word now.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

You cannot also say the word gypped because it is, you know, implying.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

I mean, I've I've actually never been in a position where I've needed to say the word, but okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:59

We had we just can't say what if someone's name is gypsy. That's true. The gypsy rose jinx. There was a group of people that it was assumed when I worked at the movie theater, they would always try to uh sneak in, and some people would refer to them as that, and they were trying to catch people referring to them that as that so they could come up with a like a case, like a discrimination kind of case. And like this is gotta be past the statute of limitation, right? That was like 30 years ago, so we're good, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

I would think so. Yeah. Okay, so this is when they go to okay, so they know where Dracula is hiding out. Van Housing knows all the lore and he knows they have to get rid of the dirt and give him no place to sleep, so he has to so they can wear him down and eventually kill him. That's their plan, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:50

Yeah, they came they came back from that wedding and Kiana's basically, I know where this guy sleeps. And I don't know, remember how, because he said he brought him there. I was like, you didn't bring him there. Well, he knew all the places he bought, but he didn't. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:03

He knows I mean I don't know how he didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:05

Maybe that's what he said the shipping buy it or something stuff. Oh well, he saw him digging in the in the bowels of the castle for the dirt. Yeah, yeah. He saw all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

Getting all the dirt ready and shipping it out. Oh, yeah, that's when the the I'll say it for the pod, because that's the column of the moon. You're on the pod. Yeah, don't save anything now. We're putting all that stuff together. So they were in the beginning. And they're trying to get to him before he gets Mina, right? Right. They're trying to save her, kill him. So they show up, they know where he is, they go in, and he's like, Van Helsing's giving orders, you gotta break up all the. Yeah, I think it doesn't take long.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

She's like, she's kind of she's for a minute like, oh, I can't, but I want to.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

I really want to.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:49

But and like she's not trying that hard to get away from Dracula.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

We have to we have to spend some time on that scene, too. Like, we're right there. Yeah. While they're busting shit up.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:59

They're busting shit up. He's Dracula in the Raptors in another form in his demonstration. In his bath form. That was a clue.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

They're both like orgasming even though they haven't penetrated yet. You're talking there, we're getting there, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

He's like he doesn't fight anybody. He just takes off. And then this happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

And like they're both orgasming, but they're not yet having sex.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

First, he she insists that he bites her. Right. Yeah. Right. And then he cuts himself, and then Mike take us from there.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

All that noise you were just. All that noise. They're both they're both he's licking his blood off his chest.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:39

I think he shouted, Oh yeah, rub the balls. Did he?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

No, I don't think so. Oh, I thought he said that. Push him down. Push him out.

unknown 1:11:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:48

So it's literally the climax.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

It is a sense scene. Um, I don't know if anybody caught this earlier, but when she's stroking the wolf, before you guys get too far, she grabs the ear. Like this whole thing is shot like a weird like symbolism porn kind of thing, right? It is on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:07

Yeah. So then they bust in.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:10

Yeah, and she's like super old piano, like full-on white hair, old face. She's like, She's not never mind. I will I I respect everyone's right to be clothed or you know, unclothed as they want to, but uh and this is that cool scene where he turns into his demon bat form, and no rats.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

They're like rats, get him in like light. We need light. He backs up, you all you see is red eyes, backs up into the shadow, and they put the light on it, and that form that was the bat guy is now just a bunch of rats, and he takes off.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

So that was a different bat form than the one that was hanging there. Then the one that was hanging was green. This one was like this big, giant, like dark looking thing. It was big. It was nice, it was it was it was well done, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:56

Really good. And the rats take off, and Mina's kind of like, ugh, like what did I just make a mistake? She said so unclean or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:05

So unclean. She was just sucking on his blood chest. Yeah, and now she's got rabies.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

Okay, yeah. So he's got nowhere to stay, and he's fleeing the country, getting back to Romania.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:18

He did have one bucket of dirt left somewhere because it showed him in a bucket of dirt late.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:22

I think they wrapped him in it. His boys show up and start taking him back. And and so they're gonna chase him down and finish him off. Got to. Mina goes with. Don't know why. Old Can was there.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:34

Uh, something to do with the connection between them two, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

They could use her to track him something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

And keep her from killing people while he's away, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:42

But then there was like, well, he's gonna go this way and we're gonna go this way. Right. And we'll beat him there by two days.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

But the best vampire hunter is gonna stay with Mina. Like, what? So Van Housing stays with Mina in the mountain pass. Remember they I may have almost fallen into the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:00

Well, yeah, that's right, that's right. They did that that campfire thing where the bride the the Dracula vampire brides possess Mina and have her dancing around all the grotically, and Van Housing is like showing her cleavage a little bit, like getting all woozy over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

Yeah, I mean, he was you know, he had that three-hour boner, four-hour boner you don't want. That's what you don't but then he snaps out.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

He snaps out of it. Priorism, yeah. Do the brights get it?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Uh yeah, they get it. Anthony finds him and chat like because they killed his horse. Yeah, you don't kill a man's horse.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:35

No, no, or go.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:36

So then he chops off the three heads and Dracula feels it and how he's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Hall an ass, and somehow they still don't beat him to his castle.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

Well, they were on a rate like start earlier, guys. Start earlier, you know when the sun sets. Right. I guess they didn't have a weather app.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:52

Then they talk about his loyal, his loyal minions. You can see it's setting. Right. You can see the sun doesn't bother him in London.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:00

It doesn't bother me anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

But then why is he in in the crate not doing anything? And they're really big on opening that crate before the sun goes down. He's weak. They mentioned in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:12

They mention he's weak in the sun. Okay. He can be out in the sun, but he's weak. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:16

So the cowboy and the other guys are shooting up all the minions. He gets to the castle. Mina shows up with the Winchester. There's a fight between the minions and the hunters, and the one guy is going over. They finish, I guess they finish up all the minions minions because you don't see them any point after. And then he the one guy goes over to open up the crate, sun goes down, uh Super Dracula comes out, busts out of the super Dracula. Grabs the guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

Super Shredder if you get a secret of the exactly, or Super Jason in grabs the guy, but the guy's too fast.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:57

He pulls a from Game of Thrones, the end, where what the Oh John? No, no, where what's her name?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:05

Kills the Oh Arya. Aria.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

Like so he slashes Dracula's neck. But he throws him. Yeah. That was a good throat slash. He jumps off. The other guy stabs him in the chest and he gets pushed wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:19

But the damage is done. Damage is done.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

He's weak, and he's got taken some big wounds.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

Mina's in this point going full Elizabeth. Right. She pops in with a big chest.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:31

Don't do this. But they all kind of know it's the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

Keanu says something stupid about her, you know, her job's just beginning or something. I'm like, wait, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:41

Ours is over. Hers is just beginning. She's like, says, Would you do the same thing for me or something, you know? Yeah. If yeah, if I if I was a vampire, would you kill me or whatever? But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:52

Short answer, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:53

So they get back into the chapel where he becomes a vampire.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:58

He's there. I mean, they're full on Elizabeth and Vlad in love, the strongest love that ever existed.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:06

There's a beauty and the beast kind of thing going on because he he is ugly as shit at this point. She's still like kissing on him.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:13

Right, right. But he's done for. And the costume again, like, I want that robe. I'm gonna walk around. I want to show up to the podcast one day in that robe. Or the one that in the very beginning where he's got the long 12 foot-long uh whatever red trails climbing around on the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:33

You'll make the Instagram real if you come dressed like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

So you know, they're doing their their thing, and and you know, he's gonna get redeemed now, even though he's killed I don't know how many babies. The light from the lore is shining on his face, and he wants her to basically kill him. Take me out, yeah. And you know, this is probably her best acting in the whole movie, yeah, in my opinion. And she stabs him and then cuts his head off.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:05

Cut to the blooper reel, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

And then it goes up, you look at the ceiling, and uh Vlad and Lisa are are ascending to heaven together. I don't know what happens to Mina.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:16

It was like the inverse. Uh this it was where Vlad was holding on to Elizabeth, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:22

Yeah, yeah. And then we go to credits.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

I mean, a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:27

I'm still uh for a boring movie, a lot happened. So much happened. Yeah, too much happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

They didn't I feel like they didn't commit to making Dracula one way or the other, right? Like he's I guess for someone that hasn't read the book that's not only knows minimal about the lore, Dracula's a bad guy, right? And he's a monster. Dracula's a bad guy. In the book, he's a bad guy. They make him in the movie, like allegedly. He's this monster, but he's also like for most of the movie, a lover too. And it's like what I don't and why what is the appeal to him from the women in the movie? I don't I mean the accent makes girls wet, I don't know. No, he's got this hypnotic power, he's got that glamour, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:11

That's what they call that.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

But I'm like, they didn't like make him menacing, they also didn't make him a great lover. They didn't like they didn't commit one way or another to the character. Oldman did, but the writing didn't yeah, I think he's down to his knees, is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:27

What? It's down to his knees. Got that. You got that. That's a myth.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:35

So yeah, I think it was I still think it's a good movie. I still think it's a seven. It has some rewatchability to me, to me. I it does have parts where there's like it's strangely boring and dragging while so much stuff is going on. But I it feels like it's like side story, like the thing with Lucy. I mean I mean a memorable scene. It was a lot of memorable scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

The hairy wolf.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

But did they need to bring that part in from the book? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

Regard irregardless as my father was.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:14

So Lucy's oh, that's the worst. So Lucy is the connection with the three suitors that become part of the posse, right? So maybe it's Emma Guffin. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

I guess they wanted to bring in enough of the book where they could call it Bram Stoker's Dracula. Right. Right. Which so many of the Dracula movies before this had nothing to do. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was just ridiculous. How many Chris how many Dracula movies was Christopher Lee in? A lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:39

And Christopher Lee's dope.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:41

He's a baller, he's a OG for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:44

So yeah, it was all about like his he could control the women and then he would kill the women, right? It was not this whole I'm going to build up this love thing. It was a and it's not just a capture you, hypnotize you, like an animal attack.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

Like he could just go out and jack the ripper it. There was a sexuality to it. I'm there with you with the set.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:06

Let's do some for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

Let's do some some questions. Which kill was best? Dracula's.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

I think Dracula's Dracula's or Lucy. I I do like the the whole lead up and the chopping the head off, and that's when shit got real with the blood all over the with the posse. Yeah, when the when they're like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:28

I think I think it's the Dracula kills, probably throat slit all the way to the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:34

I mean, that wasn't actually head off on the settlement.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:37

It sounded real. I don't know what it sounds like to chop a head. Yeah, right. And the wardrobe.

unknown 1:21:43

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:45

Could you escape this?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

Where did the victims go wrong?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:50

Here's who am I in this situation? Am I a Harker? Like like roaming around the room? Because nah. I would remember Sarah and I'd leave. I would jump into the water and leave. Yeah. Just sign the paper and you just but if I didn't, if I wasn't married and I was Harker, I'd be like, this ain't so bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:08

I always when I see worse ways to go. When I think about this time period, I always think of myself that I I would be just like one of those drunkards in the pub. Like, you know, what else am I doing? Like here's the deal. Like I'm not getting involved in any of this love triangle mess. Love squares. Nonsense.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:29

Once my homie won out in the suitor role, I'd be like, all right, you guys have fun. I wouldn't be hanging around. I wouldn't be like riding horses with the back.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:39

Going to Romania, dumb. I got a job. I'm not. I'm in Texas. Oh, Lucy.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

I gotta go back to Texas. He said Lucy's sick. Oh, I feel bad. Sorry, man. Lucy, I'm a soon. I'm thinking about you, but good luck. Lucy mom looked like Yeah, Lucy. You won.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:55

Um who is the dumbest character? Do I need to ask this question?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:59

Harker for not staying.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:02

On so many levels. So many decisions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:07

No, I mean he survives. He survived. He showed him where like Dracula was gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:13

Maybe Dracula should Romania. Maybe that was the dumbest.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:17

That's true. Dracula did die.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

He could have just sent his guys over and abducted her. Lived 450 years. It's true. There was something right.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:29

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe the doctor that was like shooting up and like it's gotta be Harker. It's gotta be Harker. But like it wasn't it wasn't dumb. It wasn't like lack of intelligence. It was like Hey, I'm going to I'm trying to make something of myself, and this is a good way to do it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:51

You wouldn't think it would have been those are gonna be in a horror movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:57

Nobody thinks they're gonna meet their vampire.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

Okay. So you guys dig it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:02

I didn't dig up any fun facts other than the I heard Gary Oldman wasn't supposed to be like wasn't the first choice, but I didn't dig into that too far.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:10

I could see that. I bet all the other ones were like, we need to find the biggest late 20 actors Christian Slater or something. Fill in some good character actors.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:22

Throw in uh Johnny Depp or Christian Slater and we're good there.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:25

Johnny Depp's too short.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:26

Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

For any of the maybe Renfield. He would have been a good Renfield, but the Renfield was a good Renfield.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:31

Yeah, he wasn't a bad Renfield.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:32

Johnny Depp plays like Gothic often, and he could have fitted.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:36

He could have done it somewhere. They could have used some camera angles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:40

He could have been meaning. Tom Cruise or John Parker.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

Yeah.

unknown 1:24:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:46

Yeah. But almost too big at the time. That would have kicked it up to$45 million budget. Yeah. 41 and a half.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:56

Coppola. He's obviously a Hall of Fame director, but Hall of Fame director.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:05

And this movie falls outside my Coppola Mount Rush Gore. Or Mount Rush Moore, because it's only the only gore one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

Right, right. Yes, Dracula is a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:16

Immortal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:17

Immortal.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

So he's immortal, right? Because he lived for 400 years even.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:21

Yeah, I mean, you can kill him, but he doesn't, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:25

But he's in the immortal category. But Dracula is immortal.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:30

And is this the one that would represent what? Is is the Gary Oldman the one that would represent Dracula in the Hall of Fame. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

Dracula. I think it'd be just Dracula. A drawing of him. And he's played by 23 different people. I don't know if it's 23.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:49

It's 22, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:51

Well, so you know, I picked this movie because I wanted Dracula to be in the Hall of Fame. And this was one of the better Dracula movies ever made. But watching this and thinking about it, I think we also have a case for Van Helsing to be for the same reason in the protagonist Hall of Fame. He's in he's Van Helsing in a lot of movies. He's got his own movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

Hotel Transylvania.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:22

Van Helsing.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:23

Yeah, no, Van Helsing has. So it is a horror movie podcast, is is my only pushback right here. And they they haven't nailed a great Van Helsing. I don't know, man. I'm I'm on the fence on this Dracula, and but Dracula needs to be in it, right? Dracula's Dracula's gonna be in the Hall of Fact. Because he's been in the movie, what you say, a hundred and something? Over a hundred.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:48

I read over two hundred Dracula movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:53

Van Helsing's been in a bunch too, right? At least a hundred of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:57

Agreed. That's a that's a good uh shortlist.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:00

Yeah, we'll we'll dive more into Van Helsing's lore, I guess. But yeah. Put them on the short list. Put them on the short list. Props?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:09

No, that means I feel like I got a lot of uh lobbying to do. No, you don't have much lobbying.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:13

It's gonna come down to you know who's on that short list when it comes time. Can we get enough votes?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

Right. See. Movie props. Easy. That armor. That armor.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:24

Yeah, I'm gonna say that, or maybe some of the costumes like Nina and Lucy's costumes, just because the costume design won makeup effects won like Oscar's.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:35

Dracula in London was a good costume. Dracula in Van Transylvania was a good costume. Like a lot of good costumes, but I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:44

I don't know if I could pick maybe that first one, the the red one, the red cloak with the super long train where he's got that widow's like if you just put that on a mannequin at a horror convention, I think I could pick it out. Armor. You could put that in somebody's closet, and I could just I'd wear that. It would be like they'd see me coming out of their closet with that armor.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

I'd wear that towards uh street jacket. That was really cool. Like the design, but maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:13

But that would make me think of Freddie, even though the coloring's off, the big long arms, or legal juice.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:20

That was super timber and right? Yeah, it was. But it was it was really like seriously, one of the best designed costumes in the entire thing, but like such an inconsequential character in the in this movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:34

How about some of the fake blood, like a vial of Dracula's blood? I don't know. Can't pick it out from other blood because blood's blood, but maybe that big cross.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:45

With the sword out of it. Yeah, that's important.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:47

Sorry out of it, probably. Hatchet wound. There's all kind of gashes out there. Alright, alright. So I think we're all kind of gashes. Any more props?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:01

I'm thinking there was not like a sword or anything. The homeboy's knife was impressive, but like you wouldn't pick it out for, you know, Quincy's knife was like shit, man. What do you do?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

Thick enough to cut a head off. Was there there was no like stake in the stake was metal. Okay. Yeah. It was. Okay. Because that's like the big thing with Dracula is like stake in the heart. Yeah. They staked loose.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:23

But I think the the original lore is to stake them into the coffin so they can't get out. Um not to actually kill them. To kill them, you gotta burn them, cut their head off. But I don't know. Maybe rules will change every goddamn movie comes out.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:38

Right. Silver.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:40

Silver. That's werewolves.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

No, and blade vampires are similar. And blade vampires. And underworld vampires. I got some final thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:49

Oh, we got gore score, right? Oh, gore score. Yeah, what we got?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:54

The the at least a five cotton.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

Caught in the neck, stabbing at the end. The throat was pretty fucking gory. When Lucy spits blood all over Van Halen. Van Halen. Van Halen. Slicing open your chest and having.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:08

That was when Guar opened for Van Halen.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:11

That was pretty bloody.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:13

Slicing open your chest with your thumbnail, and that was kind of gross.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:16

Yeah, the baby thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:18

The baby, the child.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:21

Implied gore.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:22

Yeah, they were gonna eat that baby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:24

Yeah, that baby's getting very five, but he's alked up higher. I was thinking five as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

You can get me higher, but I started at five.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:33

Five? Five it is. Five it is. All right. Anything else?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:38

What other categories we got?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:40

I mean, we have did the ending stick the landing?

unknown 1:30:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:46

Yeah, sure. Good ending. Sure. We don't know what happened. Can we finally does end, which was nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:51

Let's do a real fast. Like, can we talk about is there an example? Is there a better example of Dracula in your minds?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:01

No. Did the Simpsons do a House of Wars?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:06

There were Burns. I think Burns played right off of this movie, right? In that one. So the mini-series, the British mini-series on Netflix is super good. Like for Dracula.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:17

Which one?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:18

It's just called Dracula.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:19

Oh, yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:19

Yeah. And Voyage of the Demeter, last Voyage of the Demeter. That was a good Dracula movie and pretty good Dracula in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:26

But this Dracula was all those Draculas.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:29

That's true. That's very true.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:30

Yeah, it was all of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

It's almost the problem with it, to be honest with you, based on nowaday movies. It's like he dug too wide of a well instead of a deep enough in anything, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

I think we're used to like one way or the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:44

Yeah. This one was just, it felt long. And maybe even the end where they're like trying to beat Sundown in that final climax, that final battle seemed super rushed, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:56

It seemed short, I compared it to some of the other scenes.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:59

Yeah. So it's like that that could have been beefed up quite a bit. But yeah, Gary Oldman was was fantastic in this. Yeah. Over the top as he should have been.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:09

I mean, yeah, I think a lot, some of it was over the top. I think his was really good, but and some of it, you know, underacted, I guess you could say, but from Keanu's point of view. But just Keanu. Poor Keanu. I think uh both you guys gave this a seven. I I gave it a three. Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:29

I mean, what if it was an hour and 45? Would you have given it a six?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:33

I'd have given it a four. I mean, I I appreciate like the acting job done, the sets, and the costumes, the practical effects of it. It's just a story that I just don't care about. And it doesn't resonate with me. And like, there's not like sometimes you even in like some shitty horror movies, you can like relate to a character. I can't relate to any of these people. Yeah, I don't know. It's just one of those things that just never so it drags a dragon Dracula. Yeah, Dracula just take all together, just has never been something I've really cared to deep dive into. And this movie was like probably good good, and the you know, critics liked it, and you know, the fan score was even higher than the critic score. And I think you know, it's just the subjectivity of movies where a lot of this felt like a stage play, and which is fine, it felt Shakespearean at times, and you know, if you're into that kind of thing, you're gonna really like this. But I'm just not into the Shakespearean part of it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:33

Apocalypse now sort of did some scenes where there were cutaways where there was more experimental stuff too. So circling back to it was Johnny Depp that Coppola wanted to play Dracula, but the studio felt he was not a big enough star at the time. Johnny Depp? Johnny Depp. Well, that's according to my quick Google search. He could do it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:54

I think you needed a an age that Gary Oldman hit.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:59

That's true. He was young, right? But yeah, Gary Oldman wasn't a superstar at the time either.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:06

So that's JFK might have been he was in some stuff, but JFK probably put him on the map.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:11

But a lot of his stuff came yeah after this.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:13

Yeah. Yeah. The professional was after, well, true romance, the professional. That was after after this. Okay. Did you see we had a lot of conversation about it? Did you guys see the hospital drama? Dr. Acula?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:26

Hey, hey, I went to a doctor. That's that's one of my favorite Mitch Hedberg things. Yeah, he's like, I went to a doctor and he just black hillo the next time. He kept trying to he kept trying to suck on my neck. Do not go see Dr. Acula. Do not go see Dr. Acula. Yeah, that's one of my faves. All right. Who who's the next? Is that is it me? Justin. Did you come prepared? I did come prepared. I came prepared. I've got a friend named Patrick. You guys haven't met him, but we've discussed this movie. You may have.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:57

I may have.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:57

He said he would come on this podcast if we did Event Horizon. And I've secured him for next Sunday to record Event Horizon. So we're doing 13 Ghosts. No, we're doing Event Event Horizon. I like it. It's it's disturbing. It's sci-fi plus horror. It's psychological. It's hell. You know, there's all kinds of stuff in it. It pairs well with Hellraiser in a weird way, which was my last one. One thing I would recommend.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:26

I don't know if we were ad buyers Morse doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:29

Yeah, I did. When I watched that movie back, I think it was on DVD, it was easier to do. That scene where they're watching the video, you like frame by frame it, there's some fucked up shit going on in there. I don't know if you can do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:45

I think you can Google it. You can Google what is in it, and I'll try to watch it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:49

But I have heard the same thing where you do see like some because you see it and it all goes by so fast, and your but your brain is like, was that a woman fucking a man from behind?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:00

That's called Nah, it couldn't have been that's called pegging, Charlie, and it's perfectly natural. Okay, it does not make you anyway. No, I'm joking, guys. I've never been pegged yet. Yeah. Today.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:14

This is gonna be a first-time watch for me on the horizon. Not when you get pegged. I'm not watching. I'm not watching. This time. Justin gets pegged.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:29

All right. That was it's actually the shortest one we've ever done. He goes, you know, you know, anyway. So that is my pick. Event Horizon. We got Sam Neil from Jurassic Park and some other people in there too. Lawrence Fishburn. Oh, yeah, Morpheus is up in there. Yep. He's the protagonist, if you will. Yeah. What year was the that? Did anybody look that up?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:56

Event Horizons?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:56

Yeah. You just told us about it. 1997.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:00

Lawrence Fishburn was going to be the first choice to be the Sam Jackson character in Pulp Fiction, and his agent told him not to do it. Said if you do it, you'll never be a leading man. You'll be if you play second fiddle to John Travolta in Pulp Fiction, you'll never be a leading man ever. You'll just be like the second guy in everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:20

I mean that would have been a good movie for him, but I think here's the function. And he's had a good career since.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:26

Would have been fine. I think Sam brought the right energy. I think he could bring that Tarantino energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:32

Big what if though if Sam Jackson doesn't get that role?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:34

Yeah, maybe maybe Lawrence becomes his it guy for other movies, you know, Django and what have you.

unknown 1:37:41

Shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:42

Oh, wasn't Lawrence in Apocalypse now? Yes, he was Lawrence. Alright, there's another there's another connection right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:50

Fucking uh Nightmare 3, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:52

Yes, he is.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:52

Nightmare on T3. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:54

All right, let's save it for the pod. Save it for the pod, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:57

Yeah. So yeah, this will be a first-time watch for me. I've never seen Event Horizon.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:01

Okay. Those make me nervous.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:03

I'm always like No Dracula, no vampires.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:06

Yeah, and it's I don't remember if it's short or not. That's perfect. It's perfect. It's right up your wheelhouse. Alley. But whatever. Oh. Who got that? Anyway. Hey, let's let Mike take us out. All right, go ahead. Unless Charlie's prepared.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:26

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:28

All right, guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:29

The master is his thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:30

It's not my thing. It's just something.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:33

He gets precious about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:34

I don't care. You can do it. I don't give a shit. It's not I'm not married to it. Thank you all for listening to the All Girls Glory Podcast. If you like what we do here, the best thing you can do for us is rate and review wherever you get your podcast. Share with your friends. If you got a if we do one of the movies, if one of your friends is a big Dracula person, share this with them. See if they like it. See if they like having opinions on our takes or anything. And if you follow us on Spotify, make sure you actually do follow. You want to make sure you don't miss your favorite horror movies being broken down by us. 1970, 1974 movie draft coming up this week as well. Make sure you follow us on Instagram, all good so gory pod. And next week we'll be back with Event Horizon with a special guest, Patrick Ewing.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:26

Patrick Ewing from the New York Knickerbockers.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:29

He's a saint, actually. All right. Well, Charlie, for Charlie and Justin, I am Mike. This is All Guts So Gory. Andy, take us home. This is friends.