Event Horizon (1997) Space Horror Cult Classic | Justin's Picks

This week the guys take a trip to the dark side of Neptune by folding up space to arrive there, instantaneously. Just like that. Don't ask how, why, just go with it. We're joined by a special guest, Patrick, who along with Justin, loved Event Horizon which could be described in some ways as "Hellraiser in space." 

Event Horizon is Directed by Paul WS Anderson, and stars Laurence Fishburne and Sam Neill.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

When you hear a distress signal deep into space, it is never a good idea to check it out for a rescue mission. This week on All Gets So Gory, we discuss Event Horizon. This week on All Guts So Gory, we are talking about Event Horizon from 1997. A spooky hell in space kind of movie. I picked this movie for a couple reasons. One, a friend of mine that's on the show today is actually a big fan of this as well. And we talk movies all the time. And he said, if you ever do Event Horizon, let's call me up. I'm in. And two, I remember in 1997 or shortly thereafter watching this and being kind of disturbed. I mean, it is a disturbing hell is disturbing, guys. You know, and something like so so what about you guys? What's the first time you watched it? And what are your thoughts on the pick and you know everything about Event Horizon? Mike, start with you. All right. Hi, I'm Mike. I just uh I forgot the interest. I forgot, I forgot. Sorry. So can we can we do how can you take a piece? I'm Mike. No, I'm not Mike. I'm Justin. With me as always is Mike and Charlie, and we have a special guest, Patrick, today. Can you put that in somewhere that makes sense?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

No, just leave it the way it is. Oh my god. It's authentic.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

I was nervous. I was nervous. First of all, Patrick, I just want to say welcome and I dig your sweatshirt. The Red Jaguars hoodie. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

Do you know what it is? The Red Jaguars, Legends of the Hidden Temple. Like six people now have seen it and got it, so I'll take it. I was like, is that Lion King?

SPEAKER_02 2:32

L O T H T, man. That was the show like the third show I wanted to be on when I was a kid. Doubledare, Guts, and Legends of the Hidden Temple.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Do you guys remember? Do you have a memory of this show where they play like three different people play video games, different rounds? Nick Arcanine video. Was that what it was? Yeah. And at the end, they could run through and grab whatever video games they wanted to off the shelf. It was like a toy song. Yeah, and they can stick them to their velcro on their shirt or something like that. It was dope. I had dreams of our song.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

I wanted to be on it so bad. This was a first-time watch for me. I was I think the critic score, because the first thing I did when you mentioned this movie, I go to IMDB and on the first like couple lines underneath the title, you get like the Metacritic score, right? And it's like low, it's like 35. I'm like, oh man. And don't get me wrong, I like some real bad critically critical movies. I'm aware.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

We are we've we've done episodes and the martyrs episode.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

No, that one that one is critically true. But you know, like you know, Friday the 13th, part eight is like 12 on Metacritic or something. I love that movie. So, you know, it's just something just you know keep in mind. But I I watched this and I was like, that's way too low. 35, way too low. I enjoyed the watch. There's a lot of stuff you could nitpick about this, as you can with a lot of space and space movies and things like that, maybe they probably take a lot of liberties with stuff, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'll I'll talk about it a little bit more, but I'll pass the baton around to whoever wants to go next.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Uh so I saw it in 97 in the theaters, and I liked it, and it's rewatchable, and so I I can it's one of those shows like I've said before, like before streaming and you know, DVD and Blu-ray were really accessible. Anytime it was on like Showtime or HBO, like seven minutes in, 40 minutes in, it didn't matter. It was staying on until it was over, so I like it. Yeah, yeah. And 35 does seem really low. Does.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Yeah. Yeah. Bullshit. That's what 35 is.

SPEAKER_05 4:35

Yeah, that does seem low. I I first saw it in theaters too and actually snuck in to see it. We were supposed to see something else, and we're like, no, we can see this movie. It's R, we'll be fine. Was terrifying. At 13, I was absolutely terrified by this movie, and I did not watch it again for probably 20 years. I was like, nope, done.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Put it in the box. Locked it up. Stayed away from it. I kind of agree. I do remember a time in my life where I was like, if you want to see a disturbing flick, this is kind of a disturbing flick. It's not faces of death or something crazy. But speaking of, is anybody gonna watch the new Face of Death movie? Yeah. Which is based on, you know, Faces of Death from the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

That one video that was like.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Yeah, that everybody seemed to own, and then when you went over to their house, like nobody really had it. Right. My cousins got it. Everybody heard about it, right? I never knew anybody that actually had seen that, like, oh, but I heard what's on.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

But there's this part where somebody parachutes into an alligator's mouth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

It's on, I mean, they're on they've been on Tubi, I think, for a little while, so you know, I've seen them, or I've seen one. I feel like I watched one, I felt like I don't need to watch any of the other things.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

I kind of feel like Faces of Death was was the Blair Witch before the Blair Witch in a weird way. Like where it's like this these fake deaths that were advertised as real things.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Yeah, like everybody knew about it, but nobody had ever seen it.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

It seemed really fucking real to me. I'm not gonna lie. But anywho, back to So we did see it. He did see it. Oh, the original? Yeah, yeah, I've seen it. But it I mean, I didn't see it till like my 40s. Well, wait, I'm 41, my 30s. It was like, you know, I mean, it was one of those tapes that people talked about when you were a teenager, like, oh, my brother's got faces of death or whatever, and like you go over their house, like, oh, I I don't know where it went. Like, oh, okay. It's like a tape that everybody had, but like no one's ever reading. That's the cleaners.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Yeah, you know. So 1997, how was 1997 for everybody as a year? I mean, I was a well, since we have a special guest, do we want to introduce him properly? I'm still on that part where I wanted to talk about you know everybody's experience. You're getting into the weeds. All right. Mike is the one that keeps us on track. I'm sure you've recognized that before, Patrick. Yes. So Patrick is one of probably the one that's listened to the first guest that's listened to probably no Mary's listening to quite a few of our episodes, right? So right there with it. But Patrick is a I mean, he said he's a fan of the show. So that's that true.

SPEAKER_05 6:59

That is true.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

No, I'm a what's your favorite episode so far?

SPEAKER_05 7:02

I loved Tremors. The Tremors episode was fun.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Sucking up to Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 7:06

Well, that was just a movie I enjoyed so much as a kid, too. And it wasn't super scary, but just fun. And I kind of like those combinations of like horror slash like action fun. So like Scream is really in my wheelhouse.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Like Event Horizon, you know, real funny, real funny. It's just a real knee slider. Nonstop laugh ass. So one of the things we like to do, well, two things. What's your relationship with horror in general? Is it something you're drawn to or just like kind of into tell us about, you know, the first one, scariest one, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 7:37

I have watched a lot of horror movies for somebody who doesn't really enjoy the genre because it's it just messes with me. Like I I like watching them because it does scare me, but then I'm I'm also just like, oh man, I don't need to watch anything else right now. I need to watch this during the day. I need to make sure that all the lights are on and my doors are locked, because just starts to get me paranoid for whatever reason, even though obviously none of those scenarios are coming true in most cases.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

Yeah, like the goofy movie lined up next to like watch that. So Little Mermaid.

SPEAKER_05 8:08

As I rewatched this during the week, I would go. I I I watched it in parts because watching it at night, and I would just as soon as I'd get to a part where I was stopping, I was like, Nope, I'm gonna turn on Veeep and like watch something. Really funny, just not serious at all because I'm not going to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

I mean, politics can be pretty disturbing too. Yes, you know, we're not gonna go too far into that, but uh different kind of scary. Do you remember the first one you saw?

SPEAKER_05 8:30

The first oh, okay. So the first horror movie I saw, I think I was probably like 1990, like six or seven years old. Yeah. I my parents still had a tiny black and white TV in their in the kitchen, and we lived out in the country, so like maybe six houses around us. And up at night, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go watch TV at night, let's see what's on. Go down come downstairs to the kitchen, turn on this black and white TV, and it was I it was a Jason movie. I don't know which one, I know it was a Jason movie, and he's walking down the stairs to a basement to get somebody, and right as he's getting ready to get to like the part where he's down in the stairs and like finding this girl who's like holding her mouth, the power goes out. I start screaming. My parents are trying to figure out what is going on. They think I'm injured, they're like, why is he up at three? Well, it's got the devil. No, so that was my first introduction to horror movies.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

That may be part seven. Uh there's quite a bit of that that takes place in a home. They kind of blended, decide to blend Carrie and Jason together. There's like a telepathic element to it. So there's a lot of stuff in a home and not so much in a campground in part seven.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Mike is our local Jason expert, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Eight's on a boat, there's no basement there. Yeah. And then six is you know, outdoors and graveyards and stuff. My favorite one. Five, he's not in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

Either way, that was my introduction to horror, and I was just like, okay, but then it's kind of run through. Like I just I like horror, but it's it, it's just I'm like, nope, I'm good. I need I need something happy right after, like a palette cleanser.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Yep. So we like to we like to figure out a little bit about our guests by what they rank as their top four movies, top four horror movies, and we call that cleverly call that the Mount Rush core. So, in no particular order, what are your top four?

SPEAKER_05 10:16

So I would say the thing. Actually, Scream is very, very high up there for me. The the and this is one I don't think you've covered it yet, but the curse of Emily Rose. Or, yeah, the excision of Memory Rose. That one actually really got to me too. And again, it was one of those situations where they talk about a certain scene of time that they wake up in the in the movie, and the very night after I saw it, I woke up at that time and I just closed my eyes again. I was like, nope, not today, not today, not even gonna think about it. This is just a movie, just a movie, no big, no big deal. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, but that one's always stuck out to me. And then honestly, I I would put Event Horizon in in my top four. Like I I really love the movie.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

I'm sensing sci-fi in two of them then. So you said which was the the thing, the thing, and then this one, Event Horizon. Is that what you say that you're more drawn to those?

SPEAKER_05 11:08

Yeah, I just because of the sci-fi, even though the sci-fi is not always isolation, they're just kind of like you're alone and it's about to get worse.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Yep. Yeah, good, good list. Not a not a bad list. Um that's the first one that listed the curse or the exorcism of Emily Rose, which I mean was done pretty well. Yeah, courtroom drama in that correct.

SPEAKER_05 11:29

Yeah, it was it was uh it was it was just more fed on horror like the whole way through. Like air, you just get more uncomfortable, which is again what this movie does. Yeah, spades is just like, ooh, let's just make it more uncomfortable as you go.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Right. Each character ended up being alone for no apparent reason a lot in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

I'm like, well, come on, stick it together, guys. In every horror movie, secrets. Oh, secrets, secrets. Don't have secrets. If you tell somebody that you saw something, just yeah, don't be prepared, or you can put those together as like clues and stuff, like don't keep secrets. Yeah, like don't split up.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

That was before people gaslit you, right? Gaslighting didn't even happen until last year, I think, right, Mike?

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Something like that. I don't I still don't think most people know what it means for real, for real.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

But well, we're was a gaslightlight mother ever, man. You well, you know, when the when the pressure changes, the door can ship an answer for everything. He's the worst. Yep. So thank you for your list. Appreciate that. Yeah, most of them are good. So, all right, now back to where I wanted to be before Mike, you know, drew and pulled me back. Now that we've done our introduction properly. Oh, did I mention I'm Justin and I'm with Mike and Charlie today and Patrick? Okay. Event Horizon came out in 1977. I think I was I graduated in 99, so I guess at sophomore in 97. I know I was working at the movie theater at the time. I believe this one played at the the not as new movie theater, so I think I ran down to that one to see it and I enjoyed it, was creeped out by it. 97 was a good year for movies, if I remember right.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

It was. Look at some of those movies that came out is really good. I remember Liar Liar was this year, which I went to the theater to see. Oddly enough, weirdly enough, I'm 12, going on 13 in 1997, and my mom wanted to take me to see private parts. I mean, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Shout out to your mom, you had a cool mom.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

I think she wanted to see it, and I was kind of like, I know there's gonna be some stuff in there I don't want to watch with my mom. Yeah, and so I'm like, I'm like, let's go see Liar Liar instead. Because I was still like at this at 12 years old, I still wanted to be Jim Carrey if baseball wasn't gonna work out.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Yeah, so it's some sessions for us.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

No, but so I you know we we didn't saw Liar Liar, and then the the scene where they're playing the uh the tape in the courtroom of Jennifer Tilley getting railed didn't made me obviously uncomfortable to be sitting right next to my mother. You still made the right choice. Yeah, if it was absolutely right, yeah. Private parts has the way she's sitting on the table. Yeah, so yeah, I remember those two. You know, look at what came out around the time that Event Horizon came out, Copland, really good, came out, Stallone kind of toned down a little bit. Do you guys like Copland? I actually haven't seen it. That's what I haven't seen. That's the one I haven't seen. It's so good. I would cast Harvey Kitel, Stallone, De Niro, Michael Rappaport. Wow, a really good cast. So De Niro, there's a De Niro's really mild-mattered in this, and and then there's like one part where he turns into Robert De Niro where like Stallone comes in. Stallone's a sheriff and he works and De Niro works for internal affairs, and Stallone comes in after blowing something, after messing up a case. Blowing someone. No, he messed up something on a case. He comes in about asking for a second chance, or we'll do it right this time, or something. And De Niro's like eating a sandwich, and just like he's like, Hey, I could have helped you, but I can't help you anymore. He's real mild matter, and then he's like, he's like, you know, listen, like you had your chance, and then you blew it. Like he turns into like over the top De Niro for like one line. He's got a buzzer. Yeah. From that one, it's like, what's his name?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Pacino, and he's like, You got a bug.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Yeah, it's it's that, it's that level. That's so good. G.I. Jane came out at the same time as uh Rent Horizon 2, but there was a ton of buzz around. Yeah, because Deme Moore shaved her head and got paid a shitload of money for it. And really good movie as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

I never saw a wild thing, sorry for itself.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

G. I jane's good, good too.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Apparently, Jada Pinkett Smith looks like G.I. Jane. Oh, didn't one of the Don't tell her that though.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Didn't one of the Telpsome Cribs come out in '97?

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Uh maybe. I think Demonite came out a earlier. Um, anyway. I love Demonite. That's gonna be one of my short ones. All right, Patrick, 1997. How old were you? What what were you up to? I was 13.

SPEAKER_05 16:11

Like I said, I definitely saw this movie with friends that we were dropped off to see something else. So it was paid for Liar Liar and went to Event Horizon. Yeah, I might have. I don't know what I don't remember what the other movie was that we paid for, but like it was definitely that age of like I want to see all the movies, but I don't I don't really know anything about movies, so I'm just gonna enjoy it. And Event Horizon, I walked into, and it's well after watching the trailers, like the original trailers for this, not what I expected when I walked in. I was like, Oh, this would be kind of scary. And I was like, nope, not prepared at all. So that was fun, sort of.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

He's trembling now. You guys can't see it, but he's trembling just thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah, I've been watching movies for a long time, and I know nothing about movies still. So 97. Emily was born in 97. Oh, yeah. So that was a big year as a banner yeah. Emily in Event Horizon all in the same.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

That explains some stuff. Sorry, I was kidding.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

In the Air Force and New Mexico somewhere, brand new baby. That was me in '97. Nice. Very nice.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Thank you for your service. Yeah. Welcome for my service. Wait, you've served? There's a little running joke we have. Uh he's got stories that come out in pieces, you know, after the second bourbon normally. He starts talking about ramping cars and stuff and floor forming and stuff. Serving in the mash unit in the Korean War. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah, that was me.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

All right, moving on. Anyway, all right. Any other quick thoughts about the movie and how it made you feel before we jump into some of the stuff? One question.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Did this movie need a better title? I think so. Okay. Because I'm like, well, I get the so the name of the ship is the Event Horizon, right? But if you are like just scrolling stuff on your TV, or I you I would say if you were at the video store and you saw the box, like or whatever, but we don't do that anymore. If you're scrolling through Tubi or whatever, and you're finding like looking at box covers and you see Event Horizon, you're probably like, the fuck's that about? Like you know, you no idea it's even horror.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

I guess, yeah, just being a ship name. It does have a like a mysterious ship name to it. Right?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

So yeah. I didn't know if like if if a better title would have given this more acclaim.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

Thematically for the Hell in Space.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Would more people go see that movie?

SPEAKER_05 18:41

Probably. But it's gonna be up, yeah. I think the whole the whole creeping horror of the movie, like the strength of it, is like it really goes slowly into just getting worse and worse and worse. So, like almost you see event horizon, like, oh, what's this about? Like a space space war, okay. Well, let me check it out. And then you're just like, wait a minute, it's getting worse.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Well, the whole thing is everything is based around his was Andy Manor drive. It was like yeah, the gravity drive or yeah, creates a wormhole, which right you know, with black holes, and you have the event horizon and you just fold up space, it's that easy.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Yeah, you just take space and you fold it. Well, you gotta think of it like a naked lady picture. Well, it wasn't naked lady, but it was like a calendar picture. It was a pinup, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:22

People love to do that. What's her name in that one?

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Oh, that's one and half an alliance.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

What's her name? They made it very, very simple to understand. Oh, like they kind of just make it very easy to go, like, oh, well, this is just a machine we built. And you're just like, all right, what's the science behind it? Like, we're not gonna tell anything. No, we're not gonna do it. We just did it.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Don't worry about how the room looks. It's how it works. It's like how Moira describes making an omelet. Just fold in the cheese.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

Just fold in the cheese. Just fold it out. Just fold the cheese in.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

How do I fold it in? Do I have to tell you that? Fold it in. Well, you could tell me something. Could you tell me one thing? If you say fold in the cheese one more time, I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

So basically they fold in the cheese, which is you know, space, right? They they fold in time.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

They do a little exposition at the thing, which is nice of the because they kind of just give you, like, hey, this ship was built, it disappeared. Seven years later, it shows up. Here's where we're at. You're like, okay. Yeah. But if it's not, that's all I want.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Exposition Exposition turns out is really hard. That's like the one we like nail the the hardest. And we also give kudos for if you get it right and they get it right. It's like I gotta debrief all these people and tell them what's going on. Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

If you make it. Instead of like just something scrolling across the screen or some narrator.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

We like it. I mean, everybody I think likes it. Critics like it when you show but don't tell, right? But if you just were like, if the event horizon ship is past Neptune, and then this rescue crew just appears at Neptune, you're like, how the fuck did they get there? That's not possible. What's going on? So you need the exposition of them saying, like, here's how we're gonna get there. Yeah. So okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

I'm gonna pause because we're not there. We're not there yet. Okay, we're not there yet. So this movie, 96 minutes long. Originally, 130 minutes. They had to cut down 34 minutes of this thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

It's still good, but I want to see those lost footage. Some of it, some of it a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

I did some reading, I'll go into it like in our like special trivia section at the end on what we wanted to keep in and what we didn't want to keep in. I think I asked you guys, was this movie long enough? Or do you think it could have had a little bit more? I think it was long enough. I feel like it could have it could have given us an extra minute each on each character, maybe each of the crew members.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

That video that they finally got together. Maybe an extra minute.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I think like twenty more minutes of the hell orgy blood video.

SPEAKER_05 21:46

They actually so spoil I guess spoiler alert, it's nineteen ninety seven, so but like they had an extra like thirty four minutes of gore that they cut out of this movie to avoid the NC seventeen rating. Like they had they went hard.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Yeah. On the islands. There's parts on I I did a quick take on what they left out. I'll uh some of it's and they only got it down to R.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

They didn't get down to PG thirteen.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

No, next yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Next time.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

I think if I think if you spent 30 minutes fleshing out the other characters, it's still not enough time to flesh out eight other people.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Not 30. I think like like maybe like a total of like 10 minutes between the crew, and then they cut out a lot of stuff where their first boarding event horizon and chips floating around and a lot of jump scares and things like that. So they could have built on some of that. Anyway, studio made him cut it down, lost a lot of footage. Obviously, directed by Paul W.S. Anderson, my my nemesis here, because he is married to the Mila Jovovich.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

That's why he directed all those Resident Evil movies.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

I know Patrick and I have talked about Mila. Big fan of her work. I know Charlie's said he'd fight me. I don't know where Mike stands on the Mila Jovi. Distractive? Yeah. That too. We were talking about the way she looked, Mike. That too. Right. Oh, yeah. Great.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

I was surprised I didn't know his name with all the the movies. Paul W. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

So not to be confused with Paul Thomas Anderson. No, or Wes Anderson. Or Wes Anderson.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

That's true. But maybe one of those is a good director. Maybe he's a cousin of Paul Thomas. I like him. Not Wes. Paul Thomas is awesome. And Paul W.S. does great at what he does, right? So he has done eight movies with his wife, Milajovich, and only three of those are Resident Evil movies. Crazy, huh? Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon, obviously, Soldier.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

Mortal Kombat.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

A few Resident Evil's, only three of them. A V Pete, Ave Aliens vs. Predator, the first one, Death Race. So he's got like a lane that he's in. He's in kind of these action, you know, let's they're not smart action films, if you will, but you know, what is a smart action film?

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Yeah, I would say of all the things he did, this is this is probably the farthest out that he goes of like dark. Sure, yeah. Everything's kind of white.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Definitely the disturbing white. You didn't think Mortal Kombat was a thinking man. I love that movie. I love that movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I mean, all over my favorite. Not a deep movie.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Anything with Christopher Lambert in it is alright by me. Lambert, he's French. Uh-huh. I thought he's Belgian. This is not. He's from the Highlands. He's from the Highlands of Scotland, is what he's from. So written. This is not based on a book. It's based on a screenplay by Philip Eisner. I didn't really do any research on what else he did.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I saw you had like four movies at a new. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

A lot. Nothing major. No Titanics in there or anything. We can jump in whenever you want to. I'm going to rapid fire list off some of these actors. Lawrence Fishburn.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Have you heard of him? Heard of him. Awesome guy. He's right before the Matrix.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Obviously, he was in Boys in the Hood. He was in some Matrix movies later. He was in Apocalypse Now.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Apocalypse Now.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

Which we covered a couple of one recently. Nightmare on Elm Street 3. Nightmare on Elm Street 3. He's a great actor. I mean, always good to see him in.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Yeah, we mentioned I mentioned it at the end of the last pod that he was the first choice for Sam Jackson's role in pulp fiction, which is a huge what-if in Hollywood if that happened. I mean, Lawrence Fishburn turned out fine, but his agent basically was like, Don't take that role. If you're second fiddle to John Travolta, you'll never be a leading man. I think it turned out fine for both of them, but it's like Sam Jackson's most famous role. But if he doesn't, if he doesn't land that, it's probably worse for Sam Jackson than it is for Lawrence Fishburne not taking it.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

I think he could have done it though. Oh, yeah. As good as definitely.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Sam Jackson. It would have been a different energy for sure. Like maybe like the other thing. Like he feels like more level, like then, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

I think he would he would need to get the.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

Even in this, even in Event Horizon when shit's hitting the fan, he's still pretty level. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

Like he doesn't, he doesn't really panic. He never, he's never the one that's like, oh my god, what's going on? He's just kind of like, whoa.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

He's like, tell me what's wrong, Doctor. Or something like that. Yeah. Fuck this ship. Uh obviously, probably most people when they see him, they say Morpheus, I would imagine. Yes. Would we all agree on that one? That would be a first on the tombstone, probably. Right. Probably. Yeah. All right. Sam Neil. 80 80 movie acting credits to his name. Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park. He's in one, three, Dominion. He's in a few of those. In the Mouth of Madness.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Oh, that's one I'm going to pick. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

Which one? In the Mount of Madness? It's not bad, yeah. And Dead Calm, which, you know, Nicole Kidman, a young Nicole. How about Hunt for Red October? Hunt for Red October.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Pretty fucking good movie. You just want to go to Montana. You want to see Montana.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

In the 80s, he was in a pretty highly regarded uh horror film called a paranormal oral horror called Possession as well. Yeah, I saw that pop up. I don't think I've seen it yet.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Patrick, what do you think of?

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Have you seen that one?

SPEAKER_03 27:05

But it's like very, very high.

SPEAKER_05 27:07

That's like my Mount Rush Moral. Just regular movies. Regular movies? So yeah. That was my experience also going into it. It's like, oh, CM Neal's in this. Great. He was a doctor. He's going to tell me about Velociraptors. He's going to do good things again.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

It's going to be a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

He's got a great screen presence when he's delivering exposition. Like in Jurassic Park when he's explaining to the boy how Velociraptors operate and pull out the clock. And like he just commands that entire camp. And then in this where he's doing the exposition of like what the event horizon is and how they're going to get there. And he's explaining to the whole crew. Like he's just commanding. He's a good knowledge, knowledge authority figure. He's great at being a doctor scientist, smartest guy in the room. Yeah. And then he's got a dark side too, and he's good at playing as well.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

He was shirtless. You were excited about that one, right? Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

I thought you deleted that text.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Mike's like, he can get it. Get what, child? A ride of. No, not yet. All right. So Kathleen Quinlan, who is Peters, Breakdown the Doors and Apollo 13 are the notables that I saw for that.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Can get it in the doors.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

Have you seen the uh I have seen the doors a long time ago, though. Yep. So I don't remember her being in it. Anyone else? Any comments on Kathleen? Kathleen? Jolie Richardson. I immediately was like, oh, it's that Nip Tuck lady.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Every time I see this movie, and I'm like, I never see another stuff. I just don't know anything she's in.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

The Patriots were in the city. The Patriot. Or after the fact, but like Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, she played, I think, his co-worker. Yeah, the Fincher one? Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Don't watch the American version of those.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

No, the Swedish version is way better. The Swedish versions are. I kind of think Fincher did pretty good. Like the second time I watched it, this is really good. Like it rushes, because I had read the or listened to the book first, so it's like it rushed through a lot of shit. Yeah. But it was pretty good. Humble brag. You read. No, no, no, no. Did I say read or listen to? Oh, I don't know. I listened to that one. I I you know took it in. Took it in, yeah. I went to the cracker barrel and borrowed there. Do you guys remember that being part of road trips at all? Where you can look at the books you can borrow? Yeah. Alright, and then Richard Jones, Cooper, great character line. Scene Stealer, fun. Not much movie stuff. I think he was in maybe like the best man with Tay Diggs and stuff, but the rookie and judging Amy is what I recognize him from. Okay. Have we seen that? Alright. Any thoughts on the on the cast? Would you say it was a good cast? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

There's a dude in here from uh Dog Shoulders, too. Oh, Sean Perchwey. One of the movies we covered. I almost forgot. Charlie figure.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Oh, and there's also the guy from Harry Potter the Harry Potter movies.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

Which one? Daniel Radcliffe? No. Oh, Jason Isaacs. You're right. Jason Isaac. He didn't make White Lotus.

SPEAKER_05 30:05

Jason Isaacs is always in the Patriots. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

He's always a like a dark figure.

SPEAKER_05 30:12

Good character, solid character, good at brooding, kind of like our time frame. Jason Isaacs, yes. I never remember his name, but I always like him when he's in stuff. I'm just like, you're solid.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

I'm like, what's his name again? It's two first names, I think. So and I didn't look up who Baby Bear was or anything, but I've seen him stuff. I can't I can't.

SPEAKER_05 30:33

For some reason, I thought, like, hey, if they remade this movie, that would be like a Justin Long, kind of just like a like a young. He's not young anymore. Well, yeah, not anymore.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

I guess if I mean when you consider yourself young, you have to consider Justin Long young because he's around our age. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

So I guess they remember to be all people that are relatively unknown. I thought the cast lineup was good and like the talent level for what it was, and like it was just like, wow, you got a lot of big names. Like now it's like that you couldn't that'd be an expensive movie to remember.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

That would oh, I don't even know if I went into budget on this one. I got it if you don't. Okay. Well, yeah, go ahead and hit the budget after I talk about Sean Perchwey. Sean Perchwey is Charles Charlie's guy from Dog Soldiers and Doomsday. Doomsday and the other one. What was the other one that Neil Marshall did that we The Descent? I think he was no, he wasn't in that one. You're right. So there's one man in that one. Yeah, he's a Sean uh Neil Marshall favorite, and he was also in Gotham as the uh lovable butler Alfred in Gotham. So yeah, there's there's your guy.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

It's around one of the seven actors from England. He's one of the seven. Charlie Great Britain, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Charlie has a theory that there's only like ten actors, you know, in in England. There you see them all the time.

SPEAKER_06 31:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

So, Mike, you there's one thing I want to kick off to you because you mentioned this trope in movies, but let's talk about the budget first.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Yeah. So the budget for this film was$60 million, which is expensive. This is expensive.$97, that's expensive. This grows to$26 million.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

Ouch.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

That's what that's a bomb. Yeah. And I wonder if like with it coming out around a Stallone De Niro Harvey Kaitel movie, and then G.I. Jane, if that hurt this. Probably coming out with those two movies also out there.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

I think at the time it was very like it was pushing some limits too. So I think at the time people were like, this is disgusting, or this is whatever.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

That's why I was wondering if it needed a better title. Like G.I. Jane, you pretty much know what you're getting into, right? Like Copland, you know it's gonna be a cop drama, right? Event Horizon. The land of cops. What the fuck's Event Horizon? I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 32:38

Yeah, if you have an interest in deep science, then you're like, oh, Event Horizon, what is this about? But otherwise, you're like, well, I don't know what this is.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah. And in 1987, you were going by the TV commercials and the poster. Or 900. And you didn't have you couldn't look up trailers or there wasn't Reddit to be like, you know, looking forward, everyone looking for forward to a movie or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Well, and really in the 90s, too, I don't feel like there were a lot of good like sci-fi horror movies, right? Like aliens had already come and gone. So you're kind of in this lull of like, well, there's nothing else like it coming around in the last in the next couple years or the last few years before it. So you're just kind of like, what is this movie?

SPEAKER_02 33:13

There's yeah, we go back to space a lot, but I don't not really horror. Like Independence Day is mid-90s or 96. Yeah. Men in Black was 97. Everybody was Leprechaun went to space.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Jason went to space. Jason. Hellraiser went to space. Like everybody was going to space. And it was like it was it's comical. It is. Yeah. So yeah. And like I remember in the late 80s, early 90s, everybody was going underwater, deep underwater, right? With the uh Leviathan, Deep Star Six, you see Deep Star Six. All kinds of stuff. So like there's trends, and everybody hops on the trends, right? Let's put out some smart space shit, guys. All right. Now here's what I want to set Mike up. We we had lunch the other day, uh, or was that today that you talked about this? It was today. Talk to me about why you love a group, the the trope where you're meeting the crew.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Because that is a good trope. I like movies where there's just a crew, right? Like this, yeah, like right away we get into this movie, we start meeting the people, and it's like it's an isolation movie, there's a crew. The thing, there's a crew. Aliens, alien, alien, aliens, it's a crew, Armageddon crew, like yeah, Armageddon space to a lesser extent. But yes, but here's like you know, this is another one where there's like a crew, and I like movies like that because and we just talk went through the like a lot of the cast, is because the casting is important to get right because there's I made a list of the tropes for all of for like who's on the crew, right? So here's what I came up with. I think I came up with eight people that have to be on the crew. They can change a little bit, but they change, they vary, but there's eight people that have to be on the crew, and then if you guys pick any others uh that you know of, all right. Let me know. So the first there's always the captain or the admiral, the the guy who's in charge, like never misspeaks, has total command. He's always got the go the stars on his collar. Like he's the top dog. This would be Lawrence Fishburn here, which he's a captain, I believe. I'm with you. Then you also have like the pilot or the driver, he's just a yes man. The captain says, like, you know, change bearings, north 330, whatever. And like pilots, like, all right, captain, north 330, like whatever. Like that's per tweet. That's that's the the you know, the driver, the pilot. They're just kind of a yes man for the captain. There's always a woman on the crew, and they're usually the voice of reason when shit starts to go wrong. Sometimes they're our hero, and and some people don't listen to it. And then Mary would love that.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Sometimes they're tough as most of the time they're tough as nails, though. Like they're used to the chauvinist, you know, they're used to you know that shit and they give it back, they dish it back. Yeah, this movie's got two, but sometimes there's just there's just one. One of them is the one that gets dishes back, the other one is the surrogate mother for the crew. Yes, right.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

There's always like an engineer on the crew, like somebody that's like strung out, that's like chain smoking, five o'clock shadow going on, like wearing a t-shirt while everyone else is in like their work uniform, something like that. Kind of a hot mess.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

But oftentimes the perv on the crew, too.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Right, yeah, like he's the one with the pinup calendar, and he's the Huff Around October, that Russian engineer who's just like smoke, chain smoking in the sub.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Yep, exactly. There's someone in the crew that's never on the bridge, where that's always somewhere else, and they have to be like radio down to Johnson and tell him to check on the airlock or whatever. Like he's always somewhere else in the ship. He or she is always there. So there's someone that's like never on the bridge. That's like was that BJ in this one? Who was that? Uh maybe, I'm not sure. Okay. There's usually an over-achiever, there's some young guy, some low-ranking guy that he's an overachiever, he's gung-ho, but he's gonna get himself or someone else killed eventually. Is that Maverick you're describing?

unknown 36:56

I am dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

You're dangerous, and there's always there's always like a badass black dude and due to bad stereotypes in the 80s and 90s. They make him very aggressive, they make him the insubordinate one. Or super well, he's cool because he's insubordinate and he's aggressive and jacked, usually, but you know, then he's you know, someone's gotta remind him like that's a general you're talking to. Like L Cool J. Yeah, like what is that one? Deep uh Deep Blue C deep Blue C that's or uh like Tony Todd in the rock. Uh they're playing you for a fool, general sir. Like, you know. Yeah, so good. Wish it was a horror movie, so we could do it on the top. One more is there's usually a guest, someone they bring along. Oh this would be Sam Neil and this, but there's usually a doctor, an agent, a scientist, someone that's not an astronaut that they bring into space not having to be in space. What about the joker? The joker is all that's that's like this the chain smoker by the black shadow guy.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

In this one, it was also the the cool insubordinate one was also the joker in this one. For sure. Telling people you want some something uh hot and black in you.

unknown 38:03

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

He had all Cooper had all the good lines.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

He had some of the good lines. So those are my all the people in the crew. Do you guys have anyone else that's usually in a crew or shows up and has a certain style mannerisms?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Nothing I can think of.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

I think I nailed them. That's a good crew. That's a good crew. Good little uh mic corner there. Pat, anything nope, I liked it. That was anything. No notes. Alright, so are we ready to get into this movie? You want to hear the quick synopsis that uh AI told me that this movie is fun to, you know, for the three-sentence thing, I like to ask it what it's about. A rescue crew boards a long lost spaceship that can travel faster than light via gravity drive. What they find is not just a malfunctioning vessel, but something that went somewhere it was never meant to go and brought something back. Okay. Did it bring something back? Or did it just I guess it was alive.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, the whole thing was.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

You think the ship was alive or was it just the gateway?

SPEAKER_00 39:11

It was alive.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

Okay. That's true, because then the gateway opened up, even though it was impossible. No, it should have been impossible, but should have been impossible. This is like us blinking. All right. Damn ships be doing ship things.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Ships be shipping.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Ships be shipping. Do you know that shipping means something else to the kids now? They like when they think two people should get together, that's called shipping. And that's and receiving. Oh, shipping and receiving that. Alright. So somebody help me out here, maybe do some research. It rattles off three pretty near dates in the the written exposition. I believe it said something was in 2015 that we had already passed.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

Yeah, it was 2040 and then 2047? 20, yeah, 2040, 2047. I can't remember what the first date was, but it was because it was like seven years after. So I thought it was 2040 to 2047.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

So in 1997, they thought we would be able to get to like start working on the moon and have a colony on the moon by 2015, I think. And then it was like then we made it out to Mars and started mining Mars, and then we decided to see how far we could go. Right? That's what we learned at the front, and that's all in the next 50 years from when it was made. Do you think they were over?

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Oh, they always they always do that. Yeah, always like flying cars are supposed to be in the 50s.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Right. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Still waiting for my flying car.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Right. It would be a logistical nightmare, though, I think.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Oh, yeah, it would be way worse than roads. I think about that frequently. Logistical nightmare. Stay in your lane, Jackass. It would just get worse. Somebody just dive right. It would have to be like on uh Fifth Element.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

Did you see that shit?

SPEAKER_00 41:01

That was like chaos, is what that shit was. In the the Star Wars prequels where they're on Coruscant, and there's all, you know, there's flow. There's flow.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

Patrick knows about Coruscant, probably. It was a city. It was a city. Is that where the gambling was happening? Was that like one of the later ones, like seven, eight, or nine? I know.

unknown 41:24

Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Magic's throwing shit, and he's so upset that with our lack of Star Wars knowledge. Alright, so yeah, like Escape from New York, I think, was meant to be 1999. I think was what they they put that as the date when they made it. But yeah, it's fun to see that we're now in 2026 and we have a rover on Mars. I don't I think that's about as far as we've gone, right? Or help me out.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Hasn't Voyager cleared the solar system?

SPEAKER_03 41:54

The solar system?

SPEAKER_00 41:55

Cleared Pluto.

SPEAKER_03 41:57

That's no idea. Did you guys hear about Pluto? Messed up. Oh, never mind. That's a psych reference. That was one character on psych. You'd always go to up. That was his like break ice icebreaker. You might need to edit that. Having some stroke plan in here. Nope. It's all in there, man. Anyway, and he you like, you guys hear about Pluto? That's messed up, man. Because they demoted it. Right, it's a dwarf planet now. Dwarf Planet. Alright. So we start off basically with Weir. Sam Neil's character, we're having visions. I think awoken from a nightmare by a call basically saying, get up here now, we gotta tell you something. And then we smash cut basically to him getting on the ship where we meet the crew.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

What was the name of the ship? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

What was the it they say it a bunch when they're like, get back on the that's weird.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

We know the movie's named after after the Lewis and Clark.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

The Lewis and Clark. Yeah, okay. We should know that. We should know that. Oh yeah, Lewis and Clark. They're big names around here. Kind of a big deal. It's all these trails that like you can go look at a sign that says they were there.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

One of them's buried.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

Well, they're both dead. They're both buried, probably.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

One of them's buried in St. Louis in Jagaloon.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

Yeah. Smash Cut, they're like, okay, these people are pissed. They're supposed to be coming in for leave for long-awaited RR vacation.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

But you know shit's gonna go bad.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

They get that always. You always feel bad for them because like I can tell I there's parts of the day where like I'm at work and it's like it's 9 30 and I'm already like, I need to get home. I've been here way too long. I'm talking AM.

unknown 43:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

So that's just one that's one day. Like on this today, they've been out in space away from their family for months, due from something RR. So they are not excited about this distress signal that they picked up.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Yeah. Right? And it's important to note in Sam Neal, Dr. Weir, when he wakes up from a nightmare, you know, sees a picture of his wife that he's got posted by his bed, and then has also a short. Trying to his wife on the wall as well as the other.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Saying that we know that she's dead.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

Well, we don't know. Just saying. There's a lot of pictures of that's kind of scene, doesn't it? How long have we been has he been gone? Where is his what's the story with the wife?

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Does anyone else at first think that is an important part of them? That she was a one of the crew members on the event horizon? At first I'm like, oh, I get it. That's why he's so no.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

At first I thought he's on this space mission and she's at home, you know, cooking and cleaning. Wow, holy shit. Having some other having some other astronauts' baby, yeah. Wow. Damn. I mean it's dark. He's mad at her.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Tell us about those Reddit, Reddit uh moderators.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

He goes on this big rant the other day. Last one. Was it the last one? That was like two three ago.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

You guys just rehash everything every time. You're gonna make fun of martyrs again and so I already hit martyrs.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

Alright, so I'm gonna admit that I thought his motivation for getting to this event horizon was maybe his wife is on it. So maybe it was a misdirect, or maybe it was just me trying to read into something.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

It's a little hazy there because Yeah, it makes sense that he would want to get there fast and she's back, right?

SPEAKER_05 45:18

Not dead. I didn't think that she was back. I just thought honestly that he's excited about it because it's his ship, it's his baby. He's like, they found it again, and I get to go, like they're asking me to come check it out because I built the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

In the original one, in the like the original cut, I do believe there is a scene where he goes from his room to be briefed on what they discovered, right? So there's a whole section, and I do probably think that we would have learned earlier that he helped create the ship, helped it move.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Or that if his wife was on it or not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

No, and that's why he sells himself on kind of like, oh, I'm the perfect one to go look at the ship. I designed it and built it. I guess he lobbies for him to be the choice to get the ship.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

Yeah, I think that for him is like, oh good, it's back, and I'll get to see all the updates. So he's on the ship, he's like, I'm so happy that you guys that I'm here with you guys, a company, and they're they're basically like, F you, we're we're not happy. Get in that tank, basically, right? So we learn a little bit about them, a little bit about their personalities, which Mike hit on pretty well. There's the the kick-ass lady on the ship, there's the surrogate mother on the ship, there's the there's all kinds of relationships, mentor, mentee kind of things. It looks like Cooper has taken baby bear under his wing, which I'd be like, don't call me baby bear. I mean, come on, I'm not your baby bear.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

Oh, you once you get a nickname in the choice forever.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

It feels like uh, I don't know, he has to walk around holding Cooper's pocket, is what it sounds like. He's bought it for a pack of smokes. I'm just saying, I mean, you can't say one time, just one time, and it's stuck with me forever.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

What are you quoting there? Oh, no, no, no. Just one time in general. You probably didn't love that name, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

Because like the mom calls him that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. And that that's the the one that's she's a doctor, I think. So we we know it's got the standard crew, you know, standard crew. We don't need to go into the crew. Yeah, we got the one the biggest hot take I've got here. The grossest thing in the entire movie is when Sean Perchweet's character puts his gum on that counter like he's gonna eat it later, or like, ugh, nasty, man. I mean it's a clean ship. The ship looks really clean.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

I do that. I do that all the time.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

You don't know whose hand's been on that tab. You tab, what was it?

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Some kind of like sometimes I just take my gum out and drag along surfaces of work. Escalator handrails in the bathroom. Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 47:49

What do it to improve my immune system?

SPEAKER_00 47:53

It's good for you, just it has a germ thing.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Yeah, and I mean that's a basic germ. That's like everybody should have that thing. Don't lick the handrails. All right, so anyway, we learn that they have to fly in a stasis, or they call it stasis, don't they call it? But basically it's a tank. You're pressurized differently because you're gonna hit so many G's to get out to Neptune, right? Yep. So cool. And then they wake up and then he does the exposition about a ship, right? Yeah, yeah, right. Is that the order of events?

SPEAKER_02 48:25

Yeah, we learn he has a nightmare while he's in the tank and he they bust him out and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

He has a bad night. He's having some.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

I think that's when we realize that his wife might be out there because he has a nightmare about his wife, I think.

SPEAKER_03 48:36

Does he see is this the nightmare where he sees her committing the suicide or not yet? Not yet. Not yet. Okay, not yet. But you know something. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is this where they steal the Hellraiser line where he says we have such sights to show you? I'm like, really, guys. He's spoiling all of it. No, I'm sorry. Well, we're trying not to do scene by scene anymore, so I'm trying to do these anymore. I'm so yeah, so exposition time, right? What's so special about the ship? Or what are we doing out here, guys? Because I don't even think they said what we're doing, they just headed towards us. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Lewis and Clark is a search and rescue ship. Right. That's their job as search and rescue. And the event horizon's been missing for seven years, and then there's a radio transmission that it's out there. Right. And so it's their job to go. And it's been missing for years. Yes. So where's it? Yeah. I think that's what it was. I think they said 2040 it disappeared, and 2047 is when was where they're at and they heard it. Whatever. Right. So where's it been?

SPEAKER_03 49:33

His theory is that it went faster than life to go millions of light years away, essentially, right? Outside of communication range. And everyone's out there.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

It was like a test, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:44

They're supposed to go to like Alpha Centauri. Alpha Centauri. It's always Alpha Centauri. They're supposed to go to go to another star, but then just disappeared and never came back. So they're like, oh, well, that's not good.

SPEAKER_03 49:55

So the official story was to the public was that it something went wrong and they're not going to be ever heard from again. But then I guess there was a secret story that he was explaining to them that the the gravity drive actually opened up and worked, right? Yeah, but not everybody. They don't know where they were.

SPEAKER_05 50:11

Like, I guess equate it to now, like the Artemis just went on that 10-day voyage, right? So if the Artemis just disappeared, would it went around the dark side of the moon? And like we don't know what happened to it. And then in 2020, it just shows back up, like coming back into orbit for early wild. Everybody be like, oh, we gotta get there and see what's going on on the beach.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Wasn't that the plot of a show? Like, was that the manifest one where the ship, the airplane went away for like so many years and then just showed up with everybody on it? Is that Lost? Something like that. There's one new one that's like manifest, I think. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Mike's favorite show is Lost, by the way. No. We we referenced last year. Never single.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

All right. It's awesome. But this is where we find out that you can get from one place to another by just folding space in half.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Just folding it.

SPEAKER_02 50:59

He folds he takes the pin up as an example, folds it in half, punches a little hole in it, and was like the quickest way to get from one place to another isn't a straight line. It's just you find it. You can just get you're right there. It's like, well, how can how can you be right there? Exactly. So I don't know how you fold space. Space is fucking huge. You just fold it in. We talked about it. I know. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

It's the gravity drama. I'm sure somebody had a theory 40 years ago. Right. It's and it would be comparable to folding space and now it's just in every sci-fi movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

And I think they just do that to make it easier for you to kind of grasp the concept of like, yeah, hey, we're not going to give you all of the nerd details about how we did this, but just assume that we did it. You're like, okay. I'm just asking questions.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Yeah. Mike Mike did bring up a good point though. This is the there's a little back and forth between Stark's character where she's like, oh, that's impossible. Nobody can go more than faster than light speed. It's so-and-so's law, Newton's Law. I don't know. Not that one. Einstein's relativity. Yeah, that might have been something like that. That's the one. That's the one you think of. Yeah, you can't go fashion light. Well, you can get around it, is what they said. So that's where we're at. And also, Mike brought up a good point when he had the vision in the stasis when Dr. Weir had the vision. That is when we first start to think something's pulling him, right? There's something. Either that or he's just having messed up dreams. But like it feels like something.

SPEAKER_05 52:27

Like they really don't give you even once they get to the ship, they're not necessarily convinced that there's anything wrong with the ship except that it's an abandoned ship, and then they do the they they kind of ping it or whatever, and it's like, oh, the ship's alive. That's why we can't see him be alive, but they don't really understand that.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

Well, yeah, there's a way. There's a ton of life forms they're picking up on, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:47

From trailers and stuff, you don't know what the movie's gonna. You know, it's a horror space horror movie, and then it takes a paranormal.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

Your mom's a space horror.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Sam.

SPEAKER_05 52:57

Your mom's in the space horror movie. But yeah, all the trailers, you just don't know what you're getting into. And I think that that the first hour of the movie, they just kind of creep along.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

I kind of love the trailers that do that. I on the record several times saying I try not to watch anything about the the trailers, but when I used to, like Starcraft, you guys remember Starcraft? Was it Starcraft? No, Space Gate. What's the gate? Stargate. MySpace, Facebook, Face Place. Exactly. So Stargate. Exactly. The first few trailers, there was nothing. Like it showed this gate or whatever, and I'm like, I'm in. But then once the trailers started showing all this Egyptian shit, I'm like, eh, I'm out. I like Stargate. It's good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:43

Sci-fi. It's fun. It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Yeah. So yeah, when you when you keep me at the I don't know what's gonna happen, like the event horizon, I'm more happy. Happy with that. Alright, so they they come up to the ship and it has a giant event horizon on it, which was a little the name of the ship, yeah. I mean, who's job is that to do that?

SPEAKER_02 54:04

It's out past Neptune. Out past Neptune. Dark side of Neptune, I guess. Where there's a storm on Neptune.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

Yeah, it's like in the past ionosphere to make it more thematic. They were like, we want this where it's not totally in space, but like there's some weather elements that we're gonna deal with that we're gonna put into it, but we're still in space.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

And did you hear the numbers they were shouting at? Like they're like, we're 300 meters away, we should be right on top. And I'm like, no, you're still 300 meters away.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

I think it's all relative. Like, I imagine guys on aircraft carriers are like, we're 300 meters away from this. That's true. When you're traveling that's really away from them.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

All right, all right. Yeah. Whatever. They were able to stop just in time. Yeah, it's not a load bearing. They need to dock with the Met Horizon. It is now. They were able to stop before load bearing this. It is now before smashing into it. They were able to stop right on there, and everybody's in awe of the screen. They clamped onto it, yeah. They clamped onto the little bitty antenna or whatever that was.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

That's not a load-bearing structure.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

And then they sent out the umbilicus is what they called that long tube they sent out, that long throat they sent out. That's weird. Other movies, other movies are like they'll like actually have a docking device on the ship, other than that. Right. It wasn't flexi at all either. It was just a straight shot. So good, good flying, I guess. Alright, so the doctor's like, I gotta go, and he's like, No, I need you on the ship, right? That's where we start, and then they explore it. What do we think about the effects at the time? Like with the cups floating around and things bouncing off each other pretty hard, and it looked kind of cartoony.

SPEAKER_02 55:53

I don't know where they spent 60 million dollars because the CGI sks CGI was so much more expensive back then. That's bad though. It wasn't even good. Like in the opening shot, there's like some space trash floating around, and it's like that looks doesn't look real. And even the part where Samuel's shaving, and he like looks over at the sink on the other side of the room, and there's like a drop of water comes down. Like, like I'm like, that was CGI'd. I'm like, you can't even get like a sink, a faucet to drip a couple drops for real.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Some guy on the other end.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Oh my god, even that was fake. I'm like, man, that's so bad. And then in thinking this part where they go to get on the ship for the first time and that trash like stuff's floating around, there's like a pair of pliers in the foreground that like if you in relative to the space they're in. I'm like, are those plower pliers like 20 feet long? Yes, they were, they were 20 feet long.

SPEAKER_03 56:45

Uh so so Patrick, do you agree with the uh the quality? Yeah, the CGR didn't get it. I mean it was 97 then, right? Yeah, for what it was.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Like at the time, I was like, oh my god, on par right, it's loaded great. They didn't know we were gonna have 4k TV. I can get past that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I mean I think about the time. I'm just saying though, like it looks bad. Like Jurassic Park looked way better. Yeah. Spielberg is better.

SPEAKER_03 57:10

Four years prior. But I also want to mention that the baby bear's name is actually Justin. I forgot to mention that. It's a good name. There was a Justin in Ready or Not. That was the dick on the other end of the uh the OnStar. And then we got this Justin. Yeah, that's right. I'm loving it. I'm loving it. Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Easy. She wouldn't have it. How about that hallway that looks like a meat grinder?

SPEAKER_03 57:37

Yeah, that fucking that normal. Yeah. Let's let's go everywhere here. Let's talk about the gravity drive and the hall. That it I think somebody said it looks like a meat grinder. Was it didn't one of the kids think that it's a meat meat grinder?

SPEAKER_00 57:50

What was the the show, the movie with the guy from had Sigorny Weaver on it? They had like a space show. It's aliens. No, no. Oh no. Galaxy Quest. Yes. When they were trying to get to that, wherever they had to get to, there was just some needless, dangerous thing they had to get to. And I feel like that was they were making fun of this movie. You think so? The fucking meat grinder in the hallway. What? I know.

SPEAKER_03 58:18

So yeah, they're all in separate areas of the ship, right? Let's divide and conquer, even though we think there's life forms alive, right? Because they ping some life forms.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

They can't nettle down, but there's life forms kind of all over the ship, which is the ship is a fucking alive. Foreshadowing happens.

SPEAKER_02 58:33

They don't see any people yet, but I think they enter a space where there's like blood and bones like stuck to the wall. But they don't see it.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

It's dark, so they didn't see that yet. We see it behind them, but they don't see it yet. She sees some blood on like a you know on the countertop. Yeah, just like, oh yeah. There's blood here. But that's not no rest.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

The word corpsical was used. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

Yeah, that came up later. That body that was floating around. Yeah. Yeah. So um we're all in different areas. We see the gravity drive. Justin sees the gravity drive. Yeah. He's tethered for some reason. I don't know why he's the only one that was tethered.

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Well, I think so he could inspect it and they could pull him out of it. Was he supposed to go into it? It's like a it's like the star game. I don't think it's supposed to be open though.

SPEAKER_05 59:19

Like yeah, they even said like he's you're not supposed to be able to do that. Right, it's not supposed to be accurate. Because Weir says, like, oh, that's impossible. You know, and you're just like, Well, I didn't happen.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

Yeah, I just did it. Don't tell me what I saw. Like that part. Yeah. Yeah. So Peter sees the the body floating around. Eventually we see the shit all over the walls, the the goo, the viscera, whatever, and we know something horrible went on. So now it's like a it turns into a when did the ship when did Lewis and Clark get hurt? Was that when the shit was happening with the gravity drive? I don't know. Because a big blast came out. Was that while they were rescuing Justin?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

After Cooper gets Justin out, there's like a pressure breach. Right. Yeah. There's a fire, there's electrical issues.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

So I think it is right around. So then it became a we're isolated on the ship. Might as well figure out what happened and try to fix Lewis and Clark at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Yeah, let's get this video.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:20

And that might have been where we get the corpsical because like I think someone breaks it or it hits a wall and it breaks like the T1000. Yeah. Like they activate the gravity.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:30

Oh, that's what it and it hits the screen.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

Because they're throwing on the power and they're trying to get they're trying to not like uh put oxygen in the bigger ship to liquor nitrogen, it just breaks into pieces, and everything goes wrong. Right. Bring the scrubbers. We learned the scrubbers were an important part of this. Yeah. Those uh CO2 scrubbers, you had to share. Take them off one ship, put them on the other. And also there was some foreshadowing that we saw with the explosive devices that detaches the main built in. Yeah. Right. Explosive dice. In case you needed to detach, you could use the other part as a life boat.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:02

That's how my that's my how my SUV is. So if I have to detach, I can just go make it. I've got to be really careful not to press that button. That was it was like billions of dollars on that ship. The event horizon had to have been billions of dollars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

You saw how big that thing was, though?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:18

Huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

It's the size of a skyscraper. You've got to get all of that into space. I don't know how much each launch of whatever nowadays costs. Maybe it was attached to the space. Or the space shuttle.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

Maybe it was put together in a like a space station kind of thing. But you still have to get all that material into space. You do. Which is because aren't they flying around in like a weird erector set looking? Isn't Sam Neil flying around in a weird, like just looks like a frame from like that you'd build with a you know erector set? Yeah. It's crazy looking. It was an overvent horizon, that's all I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

Did we get to the did they get to where they the the the message yet where they're hearing like that's radio?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

That was before they went on. Good call. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

So they so they hear a message and the guy's like they're trying to figure out what it says. They can't, it's all static. They hear some voices, but it's all normal. And the guy's like, I think I hear Latin, it says like save me. Save me. Or liberate. Liberate me.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

Which is save me or whatever. But it wasn't. But it wasn't. Which we find that out later.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Toteme.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

Yeah. Yeah, good call. Good call. Yeah, so it wasn't a very inviting message that was playing over and over, I believe. It sounded like lots of screaming. And there's Latin in there. So we've got creepy Latin. We've got screaming. Let's board this thing, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:35

Why not?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

Nothing wrong. Ships possibly alive. Right. Only heard blood curling screams, and some guy say liberate me in a language that's been dead for thousands of years.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

And their little machine that figures out that can detect life forms. There's like, well, there's no life forms, so it must be the ship that is a life form itself. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, let's get on. Does that make sense?

unknown 1:02:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

No. Let's get on. No, no, yes. Sounds good. Yes, no. I mean, and here's here's they were able to predict that we'd be out. I mean, that's one of the nitpicks of this from all the critics. Is like there's stuff that they say, but they can't prove it, or that doesn't make sense. They explain a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, and the things they don't explain, it's like, well, that doesn't make sense either. But anyway, that's I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

I also like that we're able to travel to Neptune, but we're still using DVDs or CDs as our storage components at this point. It's the most practical way to store information. Right. You couldn't come up with a thumb drive in your mind. You couldn't come up with some kind of like kind of like cube.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

You just put this cube somewhere and it's got like right.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

Just a storage transfer. Yeah, data storage for things.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:42

You would think it would they would have gone like holographic, like something like a it in a better world in a different world.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:48

I mean freaking freaking C3PO or no R2D2 had a little holograph in this thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:54

I didn't see a Central size on it and add the add the holograph.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:58

I didn't see a C D anyway. Did you guys see it? Well, that was a long time ago, actually. It was in a galaxy far, far away. So that was before. Yeah. Right, my bad. My bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Which brings me to another nitpick I'll touch on later, but let's move on through the rest of those.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:12

Alright, so Justin is the first AK or the first victim, in quotes, right? He's yeah, he is catatonic essentially. They bring him to the sick bay, he could wake up in two minutes, or he could never wake up. Always a good vague unknowable. Unknowable. These Justin is. Justin, DJ, Cooper, and Stark, I feel like get a little it this was cut for sure. It does kind of talk about their fears that we that don't get you know used against them by the ship. So they get kind of screwed, man. Yeah don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, while uh Peters is tending to Justin, baby bear. She sees this the first hallucination?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

This is the first one, but before this we get Cooper versus Dr. Dr. Weir. Shit's going on. Shit's going on. Cooper's like, here's what I saw to that's impossible. And Dr. Weir's like, that's impossible. Calls him delusional. Delusion. That's my theory, is that he's delusional. Cooper's like, I know what I saw. Like and that's when we get the you're talking to it. Something about gravitational distortion. Right. That's gaslighting is what it is. Yeah, he's gaslighting the shit out of him. That's the proper term way to use that term.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

You're crazy, you don't know what you saw. Yeah. Straightening the world up. One pod at a time. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

Yeah, good good call. And then nobody, the gateway, nobody should go near it. You know, someone might die. The ship's in the ship is in pieces, whatever. Or the ship is built in pieces, so like the front bay can break off as like a safety pot or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:52

So as of right now, after Justin. And then Peter's first hallucination. Yeah. Right. So after Justin was affected, they say What's uh Lawrence Fishburne's name in this one? It is Captain. Captain. No, it's not. Captain Morpheus. Yeah. Morpheus says, Alright, we're to be safe, we're going to uh Captain Miller. Miller. Miller says nobody can go in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:17

I'm just gonna let you guys flounder around for a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

Yeah, nobody can go in there. And Weir is pissed. We're pissed. He's like, it's perfectly safe. You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:28

When clearly it is not.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:30

It is clearly not safe. But then we start to see, and this is where Charlie, I think this was on we recorded this part where you say don't keep secrets, right? Yes. Like if you see your son in a like a bubble or whatever that was with maggots on his legs, tell somebody. Tell somebody you are starting to see hallucinations, but that is kind of washed away by we are saying that we can this is possible, disturbance from the travel and from the warp drive and all that stuff. So it's like I guess she did kind of tell someone.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

But there's just so much science, like that they just you're just like, oh, you just have to accept that it happened. Right. Just seeing stuff because science.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Right. I think they're about to open the gateway and then something happens. Wait, were they gonna open it? Well, yeah, I think so because and then so Dr. Weir goes down there and something goes haywire. So he crawls into a he opens some part of the wall where the gravity drive is. He crawls inside like a massive computer. It's really cool. All these neon green lights, it's like it's like a million motherboards, and he's just like crawling around with it. Yeah, it this is Charlie's. It's like visually, I thought it was pretty cool. It's not it doesn't seem really cool. It doesn't seem that is like it would work.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

I mean, there's you gotta ground yourself, you have to have all kinds of different yeah, just pulling it out and breathing on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

It looked like it looks like a scene where any like in any action we were doing like crawling through like an air duct, except it's neon green and there's motherboards all over it. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

This is similar to the Cabin in the Wood scene where they have to like fix everything. Remember that the explosives weren't going off in that tunnel. He gets pulling out pulling shit out and fixing fuses and all that stuff. You know, he knew exactly where to go, and that's what but he starts hallucinating down there too. He does start hallucinating. He sees his wife again, right? Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:32

That's where that's that was one of the jump scare scenes where it's kind of like, oh, that was it was creepy. Yeah, nobody likes to be in the dark, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

Nobody can see the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Yeah, all the power went out right there.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

It's a haunted house movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

It is dark confined space.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

Remember? We debated if Vent Horizon was should count as a haunted house.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

No. Oh, well. Nope. It's on the record. It's a haunted ship.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

You can't triple stamp, double stamp. And then too late.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:01

So once that so I think Captain Miller gets Doc out of there, finds him, helps him get out, and then that's when um here's some talking to himself. Yeah. Lieutenant Stark brings up the notion that the ship is a living thing, and Captain Miller is like, you're stupid. I don't want to hear that. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

Aren't the two other guys working on the Lucas Clark the whole time?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

Right, Justin and no Justin's in the Justin's got got. So per Sean Perch, we I need to find his when he awakes, he he goes in the airlock, right? Oh, that's when he yeah, that's when he tries to kill himself. Yeah. Which we can nitpick the science on that one too. But like if you apparently if you blow out all the air in your lungs and you make yourself a ball while your eyes are exploding.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:43

Your eyes' eyes will not explode.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

I'll tell that to Justin.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

You will freeze pretty quickly, especially way out at in Neptune when there's no I mean, how quickly?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:53

Because he got him, he he did the whole jump and and I guess why.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:57

I feel like in every movie where someone actually like is trapped in the airlock or goes out into space not in their suit or their suit malfunctions, like something different happens. That's sometimes the pressure crushes them, sometimes they freeze they just freeze, blood shows, sometimes they just you know explode. I I don't know what the right answer is. Yeah, we need what happens if you end up in space without your suit.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:19

We need mythbusters to show us what happens. I'd like to see them do that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

They ruin of our favorite horror. They need a 60 million dollar budget, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:29

Yeah. So he's not listening or paying attention to anybody when he's in there. Who Justin? Justin.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

Until he's he wakes up out of the trance. He's like, Where am I? After it's too late. He said something about the dark man's coming or something like that, which is kind of racist.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

I think the ship was torturing him. He like got him in there, got it until it it was too late to open the door. It was like only 30-second countdown, and boom. Yeah. You can be yourself again and be in be scared to death that you're about to die.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:03

I'd be pretty scared. But I did feel like though, for a search and rescue team, like and knowing that there was still time left on the countdown, like watching it again this time, I was like, he had time to push the button and just abort. Like oh, you mean while he was in there? He should have said, Hey, is there an override button? He wakes up and he's confused, but he knows where he is, and he just stands there and goes, like, I don't know what to do. Push the damn button. Your search and rescue definitely that's easy. This is your job.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

Good call. This is your job. He had time to look around and be like, oh, abort. Yeah, or whatever the head doing.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:34

But also, probably a huge flaw for the event.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

I think Miller wants to, and then I think Doc's like, no, we have to stay. Right? They can't who? Miller wanted to abort the mission completely.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:46

Oh no, I mean it's like abort just hitting abort to like Justin's. I'm talking about abort. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

Abort the airlock thing. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

I think there would be if there wasn't an abort button that's I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

I we skipped a major part before he wants to abort the mission. Well, yeah, he does. We we find out what's on that tape and there's video on the on that ship's log.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:04

Right. Yeah, this is all in this time frame. It's right before Justin goes in there. They see the the chaos video, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

The peg where it's maybe 20 more minutes of this video. Yeah. It exists somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:16

It does. Did you bring that with you? What's on the video?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:19

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

Okay. I know what's on the video.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

I mean, it's there's a lot of quick cuts. There's ripping out of eyes. Sure. There's ripping things out of mouth. In your own mouth. There's yeah, there are things going in mouths. There's intestines being ripped out of mouths. There's things going in asses. There's intestines being pulled out of asses. I think it's all very fast, but it's it goes, it goes quick. Whoa. Gross.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

Gross.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:43

It was bloody and disgusting and a lot of things going in and out of other places that don't need to be going in and out of places. Yeah, that dude was getting railed by that choke.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:53

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:53

Well, there was, and again, there was like 30 more minutes of that, like that they that they left out, and I guess they had hired like adult film stars and amputees to make it look more realistic. Wow. Because like they really like pulled people apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:07

Used a lot of prosthetics too for yeah, I mean it's just all those practical effects they cut out of it. They were like, nope, that is gonna give it a lot of NC17.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:17

So here's here's what I was able to find in my research on what was in the infamous extended blood orgy. Okay. Self-embowment, self-disembowment, cannibalism, so people eating each other, eye mutilation, broken limbs, ritualized torture, sexual violence, crew mutilating one another. Yeah. So you just call it Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Call that light entertainment. Light foreplay. Famously, Anderson used performers, as Patrick referenced, and prosthetics for material too graphic to survive the cuts. So allegedly, people recoiled in the test screening. So this was a informed, right? It's like that works two ways. It's a double edge. Sometimes that will draw more people in.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

This could have got an 11 on the gore score.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

I think it could have got an eleven. And uh it's pretty gory one. Yeah, it gets there, yeah. Yeah, eventually it gets there for sure. So we see it, and everybody's like, let's get the hell out of here. It turns into fix this shit as fast as possible, fix the Lewis and Clark. Yeah. It's still leaking a little air from the seals that they put on there, but let's get the hell out of Dodge. Dr.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Weir, this is my ship. I need to be here. I need to stay. And Miller's like, fuck your ship. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:36

Fucking like waving at him. And then he kind of, yeah, then he kind of walks off. Like he kind of disappears, right? Weird. Is this when that's when the ship got him? At what point do we think weir is bad? You you guys tell me.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:48

Kind of. I think the green tubes. Like when he's in the green tubes, I think that's his first because that's when his wife like touches him. Right. And I think that's where he just kind of goes, like, oh, okay. I'm interested now. Oh. There's answers to that. Even though he knows that she's couldn't still be alive in the tubes with him. This is this has got me intrigued.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

Yeah. This this speeds up real quick because right after the fuck this shit part, Peters hallucinates seeing her son again. And after she fell for it the first time, she now falls for it the second time and it it kills her. Yeah. She she takes a false step from like 30 feet up and lands on the gravity drive. Because like she should have known, like that's not right. Like, fool me once, shame on me.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:33

Watching this one, like, how do you know that that wasn't true? They just talked about it being hallucinations. Do you think it's your son?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

Like, really? You really think that that's what happened?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:42

Yeah. She climbed up this whatever and she fell in. It was a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:46

Here's what could have worked. Here, if gonna give Paul W S a little tip here. Say first one could have been like an auditory thing, right? Like it just a heard his voice. Yeah, hears him somewhere on the ship. Would have been creepier. Right. And then we, you know, follows him and you know blindly falls down that hole. Which right next to the gravity drive, like on that metal grate, which goes basically through her. Breaks her body, right? And then there's blood, just a whole pool of blood down there.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:12

Which that engine room, they do a great job of making it like just scary. Oh, it's unrealistic.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

Like it looks like the inside of it looks hellraiser-ish. Yeah, like if you could be on the inside.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:22

Yeah, it kind of reminded me of Hellraiser and like Alien in terms of like just setting like this the like the the background set is just like a scary environment.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:32

That is not a normal callbacks to Hellraiser, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

Oh, so many borrowed Hellraiser things.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:38

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

We can say, we can say it's uh yeah, the box is basically this gravity drive, essentially. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

And after that death, like Dr. Weir's wife, we realized that she committed suicide in the bathroom where he was shaving in the morning that that that day got gets in the tub, slits her wrist, and nudity. Yeah, so that's Dr. Weir's nightmare. Yeah, she she went, she got she took her top off to get in the tub to kill herself. But her panties. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

Let's let's critique this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

They probably did.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:14

They're like, whoa, guys. Put the market on or cut it. Yeah, and then this then this is where we have this is where it amps up because right after we realize that that's his nightmare, the next time we see him, his Dr. Weir, Sam Neil, his eyes are gouged out. Yeah, he uh and he says the line. She did that. Yeah, and he says he's like alive though. And he says the I think he says the line, like we have wonderful things to show you.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:41

She said that, yeah. Straight from Hellrain. We both say it. He says it, I thought. She said it's okay. And then he might have said it again later, which is like direct rip. And almost there was almost a back to the future line in this too. Where we're going, we don't need eyes.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

Yeah, I'm like, I was like, come on, how much stuff are we gonna? We're stealing from back to the future now.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:58

We're going, we don't need eyes. We don't need eyes. Explain, explain. You still want to see things, right? I guess you see with your mind or whatever. Yeah. Alright, so yes, we've got that kill. He's running around with his with no eyes at this point on the ship. And now he's fully, we know he's the definitely bad at this point, right? Is this where he gets the doctor? He gets DJ. DJ. Apparently, in the extended, we learned that DJ is afraid of being flayed. Flayed alive like that by you know into a frog in biology.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

Right, right. And this was Silence of the Lambs. It was very strung up like the like the cop.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:37

At a really impressive speed, too. Like the the time between they get them getting into that fight and like Captain Miller's on his way because they're talking back and forth. It's like, I'll fix them. Yeah, and then it's just like, nope, nope, that went bad real quick. And then the next scene is like, I thought they did a good job just cutting away to like showing the after effect of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:54

Because you're just like the guts are neatly arranged on the table, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:58

Yeah, apparently that scene was a little longer. It wasn't like there wasn't a lot more brutal, but like it showed the after effects, them coming upon the doctor afterwards, like there's organs and stuff like you know, sitting around. So, but yeah, his his fear was always to be vivisected by the did you guys even know it was by the the auto doctor that I guess the auto doctor. There's like I guess there's a machine in there. We're did it, but he did it using the auto doctor. So they chopped a lot out of this thing, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:29

So weir really was comfortable with his ship. Like he knew how to go back to all of them program it real quick and be like, all right, pull them apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:35

He built it, I guess he knows everything about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:37

Yeah, just do what you're told. That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:42

Then we see let's let's kind of shift to those fears since I briefly mentioned the DJ's fear was being vivisected or dissected like that, right? Captain Miller, we learn about he at one point had a failed mission.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:58

Where he let somebody down big time and basically this guy got burned alive. Have you ever seen space and zero gravity or fire and zero gravity?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:08

I have not, because I've heard fire in space basically. It's impossible. It's impossible.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:12

There's no oxygen, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Um, if there's oxygen.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:16

If inside, you're right. If you're at zero gravity and there's oxygen, there could be fire, I guess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:22

I I was really hoping that they would show that better later on. Like it doesn't it doesn't dance as much as I wanted it to. It dances all over. It hits you like waves. I wanted to see like a 3D wave though. Like I wanted to see like a ball of fire just like dance around and be and be beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:38

Like, yeah, Lawrence. The way Lawrence story gone on to fire. So he lost his guy, which that guy, Korick, I think his name is, but uh, he was supposed to be a larger recurring villain, if you will, like, or the how it the uh ship manifested itself as a villain, right? So I feel like I've seen a different version of this movie. Does anybody else get that feeling? Like they've seen a different version than the 96 minute one, or no? False memories. It is probably false memories, especially when I when I when I read when I read what the the extended version is supposed to look like. I'm like, I've seen that. I've seen that. But anyway, so yeah, that haunts him. So obviously the ship uses that to fuck with him. Yeah, torture him. Yeah. I did see one behind the scenes area where he's running through that meat grinder tunnel and the fire's following him or whatever. How they shot that. It was pretty cool. Pretty cool. That cost$59 million, apparently. Yeah, but it must have. Boom. Alright, so that's his fear. We've we already know Peter's fear. More the the child, right? And then the wife was Weir's fear. Weird fear. And then is that it? Or is there another one that they dive into that the ship used to? I don't really remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:00

Stark's gone for quite a bit of this, but shows up later. Like unconscious. She gets shining here at the end. What? There's a big, like, there's a big vat all of a sudden out there that's like filled with blood or like really, really red liquid, and it busts open and like almost drowns her. And it's like, oh, it's like the shining elevator doors.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

It kind of looked like Cherry Kool-Aid.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:23

Yeah, it looked like yeah. But I'm like, oh, that's the shining. Like, once it once they're ripping Hellraiser and Back to the Future and Silence, I'm like, now I'm like, now I'm looking for it. I'm like, oh, that's the shining.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:32

So at this point, we we know that Weir is the killer. Stark knows that Weir's the killer. Miller knows that Weir's the killer. Cooper at this point the whole time. Yeah, he's been out. He got blown, like he got off the side. Well, well, Dr.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

Weir did blow him into space. So he brain realized in the actors evil.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Uh Weir puts the What's his head? The British guy comes in and there's he's like looking for the explosive that he knows is on the ship. Oh, and he's like at five. He just kind of squinches up his face and breaks. That's all you can do.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:04

He could try to run, but those are they they bad checkoffs explosives. Like they devil. They're like, oh, what is this in the hallway? And they're like, oh, those are explosives. And if you blow them all up, it's so the front pad can like fly off, and then one of them's missing, and you're just like, yeah, fuck. Yeah. Right. Well, something's gonna blow up.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:25

We know that we're doesn't want them to leave, so then once the space goes, and that's when Cooper gets flying into space. He has to purge all his air to get back to the ship. Yeah. Meanwhile, they're having a showdown with Weir in the command center, I guess. Yeah. On the bridge. And Weir is superpower.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:44

He's all cut to shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:46

He's like he's talking like Pinhead like a centibyte. No, but he's all he's all like sliced up. He's got like a hundred cuts, deep gouges all over him. It's gross.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

We're is weir the most disturbing part of the this movie, probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:02

We're like what they did with Weird. I mean, besides the blood orgy video. I mean, yeah. Yeah, we're the disturbing part. But as far as a character design or whatever, I feel like that was the most important thing. Once they make it like absolutely clear he's the villain, they they fucking lay and lean into it hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

I hate eye mutilation. I hate it. It's always hard to watch. No? You you like your big fan? I'm fine with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:23

Big fan of eye mutilation. Broken fingers, broken toes. That's what gets me. Compound fractures. Compound fractures. It's my bugaboo.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:32

Yeah, so they are able to coop cooper shoot something through the thing? Or no, they shoot a kills himself, right? Doesn't he use one of those bolts?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:42

Yeah, yeah, he makes it all he makes it all the way back. Like he he uses oxygen. He's like, hey guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

What's his name? Uh shoot something. Lawrence Fisherman character grabs one and he's gonna go hunting. He's gonna kill Weir. And then of course, Weir like beats his ass pretty bad, takes it away from him, and then that's what the fucking dude shows up at the window. Yeah. Hell yes. Wise cracking the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:10

Yeah, then Weir shoots that like an idiot. Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:17

The ship doesn't care about weir.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:19

But Weir should know. Somewhere in there, weir knows that we shouldn't shoot this bomb. Being controlled by the ship. This windshield.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:25

I don't fucking care.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:26

Why does a ship need a windshield? Because when you go through the atmosphere, it's like 45,000 degrees.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:37

Right. You gotta see outside. You gotta like move around stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:40

Remember Apollo 13? You gotta like line up, like you gotta be able to see the Earth and the Moon like in a little window. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:46

Alright. It wasn't a big window.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:48

It was uh it was I mean relatively small for the oddly shape, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:51

Yeah, it was like a big cross. Cross, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:53

You don't want to run into a into a star out there or something. That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:57

We're 7,000 miles away. Yeah, you slow down.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:00

Yeah, watch out. All right, so then weird eyes. Kind of yeah, weird eyes get sucked out. Gets sucked out, and they have to figure out what are we gonna do, right? Then he pops back up pretty quickly, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:12

I think it's him when there's like the some kind of uh you know perimeter breach or something like that, and it's oh it's Cooper, yeah. It's Cooper coming back in.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:21

Good for Cooper. Yeah. That was a that was what we call a uh like a fan-pleasing, like a you know, like you know, let's let's bring this back for the crowd, right? Yeah, we like it. I was glad to see him come back. Yeah. He was the the fan. He was the LL cool J. Yeah, he was a fun one. He makes it up. All right. I'm talking too much. Who's up? Where are we at right now? We got I mean, I think we got where this is the final countdown.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:43

Where the they they blow the ship and they blow they blow the ship and take the uh ride. Pretty much the front part of the Weir does show up again. Weir shows up again.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:54

I think yeah, because he fights him in the gravity room.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

Yeah, Dr. Weir shows tries to show Miller that like all the crew are dead, they're all tortured, but that's not I don't think really the case because Cooper's alive, Stark's alive. But they go through it so much.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:09

Justin alive is alive in one of the tanks. I think they put him in the tank, like just damn it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:13

Justin's alive. He's not gonna be pretty, but he's gonna live, but he's there, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:17

Yeah, but it was weird because like the last half hour of the movie is like almost all action of like, all right, you already know what's gonna happen, like setup wise, you're like, okay, we've got everybody in place to be who they're gonna be for the rest of the movie. And then the last it's like you know, hang up the doctor, blow, blow the ship, everybody like get Cooper out of there, weir disappears, weir's back, and now you're you're just like in the they go through it so fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:44

In this time, we learn that not only did it travel further than it should have, it also traveled to hell, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:51

The gravity drive is actually a portal to hell is what we learned.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:55

It's not a ship, it's a doorway, it's a doorway level, right? So Basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:01

With uh AC DC Highway to Hill needle drop and two on the two on the nose. At this point, where we're going, we don't need AC DC.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:10

It's like putting icing on top of ice. Hat on a head? Something like that. Alright, so then we get the final sacrifice essentially from Miller, right? Miller makes sure that the other two, Cooper and Stark and Justin and Peggy, can make it out of there. Yep. Blows it up. They make it home. They're in stasis, right? It's a 72 days. Weir gets it, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

They've been in the tanks for 72 days.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:39

Right. Weir gets it. Weir blows up. That's the third iteration of Weir. We see him, or third or fourth, right? We see him normal. We see him without eyes. We see him all messed up. And then we see him with eyes. With eyes, but like all pinhead out. Like basically, this is the biggest pinhead, right? Right. Reference.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:56

Instead of pins, it's just like a hundred and cut. Just all cut. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:00

Right. So good fight scene. They make it back. They're safe. Actually, somebody has a nightmare, right? Who has a nightmare on the way home? Stark. Stark has a nightmare on the way home. But they're safe. Are they?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

Because the doors start to close and it starts to seem it sounds like there's a rescue team about to enter this the same fate as the previous crew. And then when the door shuts, like that's it. Do we think again?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:25

But that's was she thought she woke up with everyone, and then the mask comes up and it's weird. And then she wakes up on the ground with what's this name? Like, oh, wake up, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:35

And then there's a there's a rescue crew on the way for them. I think same as the Lewis and Clark, and then the door shuts, and we're like, Well, you know, who are with it. We don't know if they're gonna do to this rescue crew what we are just doing to them. I'm always an optimist. Am I okay?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:51

There's no sequel that says that.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:53

But there's no sequel that says it's a good thing. No, but it's a but it's but it's it's a little bit of an ambiguous ending.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

It's not a giant one, but it's a little bit. I do feel like they're making us leave with that ambiguous like feeling like uh-oh, is the shit?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:06

Yeah, is the back psychologically in shared ship still? Is it just like the the ship's lung?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:13

Did the gravity drive go off before the explosion? And did they maybe end up in hell before it blew up? Or like because like he was ramping it up to be like, we're going back, and they blow up the ship to separate it, and he's frustrated about that. But like, does that mean we're and the captain Miller are still on the other half of the ship with the gravity drive in a new dimension? Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:36

I think it's time for uh event horizon too. This time it's personal by Wes Anderson, by Wes Anderson or Paul Thomas Anderson. All three of them should get together and just make this movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:48

All the Andersons.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:50

All of them. All right. All right, what do we give what do we give this movie, guys? Like on a scale of one to ten.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:58

If you had the IMDb review this, I think it's a six. It's rewatchable. It's got a decent story. There's some holes in it and some bad CGI, but I'm willing to forgive all that. Patrick, what do you think?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:12

I it's a it's a it's a s I after rewatching it, I would say seven. Like the time I saw it, it was a ten because it was just like I'd never seen anything quite like it. But watching it now, like having seen a lot more movies and just in general looking at all the references of what it was. It's like it's seven, it was solid, it was fun. It was just not anything like that to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

Let's back it up. Where was it the first time you saw it?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

Where?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:35

No, no, no. What score was it the first time you saw it?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:38

Oh I don't know. Somewhere in there, six or seven. Okay, so it stays.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

I mean first time you saw it, first is the first time I saw it. I mean, I'm with like Charlie, I think it's like a five or six. I think the like I said, the 35 on Metacritic. So if you're just saying that critics could collectively were like three and a half out of ten, like that's too low, I think. There's a lot of stuff you can nitpick. CGI, the story, taking out 30 40 minutes of this, probably cut out some of the stuff that could have made some things make more sense or some more of the exposition. But you know, we can nitpick a lot of stuff, but it was still a good watch. Uh Sam Neil played a good villain. There's a good heel turn in this. The the the the CGI sucked, but the makeup didn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:27

That's correct. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:28

Yeah, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:29

I'm more Patrick leaning on this one. First time I saw it, I would put it, you know, super high, like nine, you know, just this was messed up, right? And the CGI didn't bother me at the time because it was on par with what everyone else was trying to do with it, right? It wasn't obviously George Lucas level or anything for when did the prequels come out? Do we know?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:50

2000?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:51

Or 99, 2000? Yeah, before then. Yeah. So this the CG was fine at the time. Um, and then this time around, I it definitely lost probably a couple. So I'd I'd probably say that seven range, just because further removed from that age, I saw when I was scared and wanted to recommend it as a messed up movie to people.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:10

So the tomato meter is 36. So it agrees with you. But the fan score is six much higher, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:18

And that would make sense. Like I would I mean, I hate to say six, seven, but yeah, it's in four out of seven for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:25

IMDB has it as a six point six like aggregate, you know, from everybody's voting. Rotten Tomatoes Critics 36, Rotten Tomatoes Audience 62, Metacritic 35.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:37

Release that other 40 minutes that they cut out. Just release that. Release the unrated cut.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:43

The critics liked the gothic production design. Sam Neil going full mad profit, visual ambition, so they liked the attempt, and then the Brutal Burns were haunted house movie in Metal Drag, Hellraiser in space without brains. That's but like yeah, that's here's the deal. Like, they hated Hellraiser that we're gonna do. Yeah, they should remember Hellraiser. They shit all over Hellraiser. So, like, how can we kind of did too to an extent?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:10

You were like this is like awesome, and then you're like, So I watched this for the first time in 30 years, and man, it wasn't. Pretty much. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:17

I'm like, oh nobody's getting it in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:19

All right. I asked you guys, what let's do the categories first. Okay. And then let's do the some other things like that. I asked you guys to come up with.

unknown 1:34:30

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:30

Didn't pay any attention to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:32

Dumbest, let's go with dumbest kill, dumbest person in this movie. Who is the dumbest person? Justin? Peter. Yeah, it's Peter. Peter's theater for following the hallucinations twice. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:44

Oh, yeah, yeah. Fool me once. Shame on you. Yeah, fool me twice.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Never gonna get to never gonna fool me again. You get to fall off a ledge. Right. You get fool me. All right. Do we have any Hall of Fame stuff coming from this? Is Paul W.S. Anderson has he done enough in the horror genre to be on the short list? There are a lot of well, only three Resident Evil's, Monster Hunter.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:06

Four?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:06

I three or four. I think it was four. Monster Hunter, Event Horizon, three, three Musketeers. Wait, that's not how I've predatory, yeah. The first A VP was I like the first one. I like the lore they set up. I saw that in the series too. I like it. I haven't seen all the things.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:25

I was so excited about that because it had such good framework. The second one was worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:31

I thought the second one was better. I thought the second one was better too. You didn't like the temple where like it was this whole like bad execution. Yes, bad execution. I agree.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:39

It was it was an idea that I was so excited about, and then that movie came out, and I watched it in theaters with like a bunch of friends, and I was just like the same. Oh my god, that was bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:48

I'm gonna say no based on those takes. Based on those takes. I think the first Resident Evil was really good. I think Event Horizon was good enough to be considered, you know, a cult classic and all that. So and I don't think Alien Verse Breader was that bad. So I wouldn't mind him being on like maybe four years from now. Yeah, he's on that list. That list, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:08

But he might do something in the next four years. He's trying back to the extended cut.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:11

He's actually doing a House of the Dead remake, which was did anybody watch the U Bowl one or the U? Yeah. Oh, it's so bad.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:19

It was like what the fuck are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:21

It's like a two percent to for me. If like you if I had to give it a I'd give it like a two. All right. What are some other categories? Mike.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:29

Well, we got the rest of the Hall of Fame if you want to do that. Oh, yeah. Any docks, Dr. Miller? Oh, yeah. Mortal or immortal?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:35

Dr.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:36

Miller. I'm sorry, Dr. Weir. Dr.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:38

Weir became immortal because the ship won. As long as the ship was alive, he was alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:44

So he's immortal. I mean, he's all cut to shit. His eyes are gouged out, but he's playing a he's playing pissed.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:49

As far as design goes, as far as creepyest design, I mean, it might give him some, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:55

I'm thinking no. I think no. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:59

Not that you'd have to have a franchise to be like an like a Hall of Famer, but like it's it's a one and done. A one and done. And also it's people aren't like, yo, did you see Sam Miller and Event Horizon before? Or Sam Miller.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:13

Ben F like was a bomb and Phantom show.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:17

I would I would love for them to come back to this. If if if Doc if Dr. Miller or Dr. Weir was alive to have them come back like and put it in 2057, you know, man, you know, Stark and Cooper, they they went crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:33

It's their kids that are bored.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:35

But we're gonna make an adventurize another ship, and we're gonna try it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:39

It's like Top Gun Maverick, it's a good thing. Rise of Mound. Right. I think that's a good thing. Like Hellraiser 2 is Hellbound. Yeah. I mean, it is never. But here's the deal. We had the same conversation. We had to go through the categories with Planetare and Deathproof, and that lost a shitload of money too, right? I think it made 30 between the two of them, right? Yeah. So for conversation wise, I I think the hats off to what they did with the makeup and everything on him. He looked great, especially with the shirt off, like Mike was saying earlier. Thirsty Mike. Nah. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

Or uh any of our protagonists here, like is Captain Miller. I don't think any of them. No, he's kind of generic. Like you mentioned, he's they're they're going through the motions, all the you know the good job as a hero, but I don't think it's Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:29

He sacrifices himself essentially to do the thing that he didn't do the last time and said, Oh, you know, I'll never leave somebody behind again. And so this time he leaves himself behind. So he kind of takes one for the team. But like think when you were describing like the archetypes at the beginning, you're just spot on. Like everybody's got their part, and it all kind of dovetails in really nicely like, hey, this is exactly what we would have expected a space captain to do of a search and rescue team. Like, take one for the team.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:53

Yeah.

unknown 1:38:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:54

McCready stood out. Yeah. Like he did more, I think. But I don't know, like, that's writing-wise. I mean, I he was Morpheus here. Uh Lawrence Fishburne did exactly what they wanted him to do in this movie. So didn't have enough meat on the bone.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:12

Movie prop props for the whole thing? Gravity too.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:18

But I mean, just the humble part of it. Okay. Maybe like a diorama of it. I would pick it up. It was cool as shit, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:27

So that's basically like the puzzle box from Hell of Zero. But it's a round instead of a box. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:33

I would pick that up.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:34

Any scale. Full size. Small on a table. Quarter scale. But what else? Well, those giant buyers.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:45

I'd like to nominate something. You know when you go, you know, when you go to a museum and there's always like there's a part where there's just like a five-minute movie playing on a loop, and like 15 people can go and sit on the bench and watch that little story. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:02

I remember that from the 9-11 museum where there's just you know videos playing out everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:06

So we're just gonna have a wing where there's a little place that like 20 people can sit in. Right. And the blood orgies are gonna be on repeat all day long.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:15

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:16

No, you can take anybody in there. You know what you're getting into when you're going to the horror hall of fame. It's the full cut.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:21

It's the full cut, just on a loop. Bring your own leather assless chaps. Then there's a slope over.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:28

Yeah, slope over.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:30

So you can really, really see.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:32

Was that pinging? Oh, that was definitely pinging. I do remember, I do, and I didn't do it this time, but I do remember when it first came out, like after like on VHS, I do remember doing like pause, pausing it and just being like, what did I see? What was this? What was this? Yeah. And even then, still being like, oh gross.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:48

Then when you see it, you're like, that's exactly what I thought. Okay, so it wasn't crazy. It really was.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:55

Do you have any uh fun facts, Justin? I don't have any actually. No fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:00

Most of my fun facts are already touched on like the well, a lot of it. So the deleted stuff, I'm gonna run through it super fast, right? Extended briefing scene for Dr. Weir. There's more exposition on how the gravity drive works. There's more crew developing stuff, a little more crew developing. Apparently, there's an infamous floating tooth. A giant floating tooth. I don't know. With gum on it. More ship exploration, which would have been added to the creepiness. There's more to it, I guess. Expanded scene where Justin gets the possession where Justin goes into the gravity drive. Apparently, there's more of what he sees and like almost a seduction of him to get him in there. More Claire visions. Longer Peter's hallucination. Extended blood. Extended blood orgy footage. Needed all that. Yeah, we did. Miller trauma subplot. So they they flushed out more of you know how he was beaten up over that failed mission. Let's see. Alternate Korg confrontation that goes hand in hand with what I just said. Cork is the the person that was burned up, the crispy one. There was a spider weir. There was some kind of weir that turns into a spider. Oh no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:15

Don't even tell me that. Right? You know, that is. They ripped off enough shit. Do not even do not even rip him. No, they didn't. Was it just his head? Probably glad that they didn't. Spider weir. I'd have been pissed. I'd have turned the movie off if they fucking ripped that.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:29

Longer DJ torture. Extended body discovery. So that goes hand in hand too. The scene where DJ gets tortured, and then when they find him, we're both expanded. Expanded hell vision. So like the the images that were being the images that were being fed to Miller. What longer? More in depth there. And then you know, some alternate ending type stuff, but uh that's kind of what was there.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:53

You know, I I'm gonna jump in real quick because it just dawned on me that like that video, that short video that they get towards the end of the movie and they finally see I mean that's kind of what this movie is known for. The fact that it was so short probably works better than if they had left more of it in and made it longer. Thank you. Yeah, because it's there's some parts that just clip by so fast, like I said, it just like your brain picks it up and like puts the idea in your head, like, is that what I really saw? But then your conscious is like I I I didn't see it long enough. I it right. But you know there's some messed up stuff going on, and that makes it like everybody talks about the videos. Yeah, we everyone talks about the video when you talk about if somebody's watched Horizon, they're like that fucking crazy video. I mean, there's a lot of stuff to talk about in this movie, obviously, but that video is the the marquee for this movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:55

Yeah, the piece de resistance. No, yeah, our brain fills in a lot of stuff that we missed and makes it worse in a weird way. It's like right. So when you slow it down your step by step, like if you were there, it wouldn't be scary, right? But like because the way they presented it and the shortcuts, yeah. Apparently they stored the loss that 34 minutes are were stored in a salt mine. The fuck does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:18

Are you gonna say it got destroyed though?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:20

Destroyed. It was destroyed, yeah. So that extra stuff that extra stuff is no longer. They store all the stuff in salt mines, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:28

They get all the salt out of there, and it's uh sterile environment where nothing grows because of all the salt that's left behind will kill bacteria and shit like that, and they can just and it's it dries up interesting cool atmosphere, and they just you know, I didn't know that store stuff in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:46

Okay so I was you know telling them that that lost footage is just it's destroyed. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:52

We would love to have seen it though. It's gotta be some it's gotta be somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:57

Somebody got it. All right, man fiction. We're gonna we're gonna film this. All right, so you're the dude. Get the I'll hold the camera. I'm holding the camera. It better be one of those retractable pegs. I don't want those knives that you can.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:11

We're gonna hire someone who's in the industry to build it. We'll get Sarah know.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:16

Hey Sarah, get on more and get us Yeah, because they have to be divorced, right? So she was just find out. All right, so I asked you guys to kind of prepare maybe a short list, three just like unimpeachable, great, spooky hook space movies. What do we got? Yes. Uh yeah. I asked you via text. I think our our answers are gonna be the same. Yes, so like just call it the whole franchise, yeah. Like aliens for sure. Or alien is the most not aliens three, no, or for Prometheus.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:48

Alien, aliens, Prometheus for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:51

So all just straight up aliens. You're not gonna go outside the franchise at all. So I liked I I've mentioned this one before, Pandorum a lot. That one's a good one. It's no alien. Did we like Sunshine? Was that what was that one? The Danny Boyle one. Is that the one with um they go as close to the sun as they can? Oh, that's the one with George Clooney. Oh, that's Solaris. Solaris. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:14

The one you're talking about, Sunshine's with Killian Murphy, right? Yeah, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:18

And it's kind of like a a crew yeah crew-ish crew goes into space, shit goes wrong, you know. Fatchy to come up with any.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:28

I mean, obviously, Alien is Alien was the big one. Just it reminded me, like, like I said, all the all the set dressing that they do in the grav room kind of reminds you of just like the feeling of the Nostromo and Alien was just that ship. Like when they first like it's just kind of creepy, like that they just do a great job of making you feel uneasy. And actually, I thought they did a really good job of that in Alien Romulus. Like I thought that that ship, like being battle damaged and already knowing that the aliens, like that android was could tell them, like, hey, yeah, alien romulus was solid, didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:01

I thought that was gross. It was gooey as shit. Hopefully it was gross.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:04

Gives more, you know, birth to more alien movies, and then it kind of brought the, you know, because we really started going downhill.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:12

It was the road one of Alien, where it's like, here's a separate piece that happened before, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:18

But like all the alien movies, it's just so predictable. You know what's gonna happen. This is gonna go bad. They think it's gonna be okay, they're gonna go out there and make all this money, and no. Those are great guesses, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:29

The correct answer is Jason X. No, it's not Jason X. Disagree. False. Disagree. Fantastic. So what's 99 Metacritic score? Did you know that? 100% on the tomato meter, 100%. I think this is what they call false information.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:49

Easy gaslighting is using that correctly, Mike.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:52

No one knows. Unknowable. Other movies, did anybody see Life with Ryan Reynolds and Martin Lords? Yeah, you didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:03

I like that movie, but not the same movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:07

Gonna eat your cornbread.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:10

You're gonna eat your cornbread.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:14

Don't give me a cornbread. What other assignment did I give you guys?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:18

Oh, real quick. Doom was ahead of its time. The rock, Carl Urban, Rosamond Pike. It's an aimless fucking cat. Anything with Rosamond is Rosamond Pike is amazing. Carl Urban with the boys now. He did when was when did Doom come out? Like 2003?

unknown 1:48:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:34

2002. Well, it's not that old. It wasn't great.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:38

Like you're talking about the original Doom? Yeah. Doom. Doom. Oh, Doom. I was like, Doom. Yeah, that was when The Rock had hair.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:45

Yeah, right. Like that was like early 2000s, maybe 2000 itself, because he did the mummy returns in like 99. Yep. And um, I think Doom was the next thing he did. And yeah, like Carl Urban and Rosamond Pike. Like, are you fucking that's a great fucking cast?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:00

I would have to watch that because I loved the franchise, the video. I thought they had a I thought they had a really good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:07

There was a lot of first person shooter in the movie, like POVs. They paid tribute to that, which I thought was nice. But yeah, that cast was ahead of its time, though. No one knew Rosamond Pike.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:16

Before we get out of this one.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:17

Well, we got more categories. Oh, do we do what did we read?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:20

I mean, we got Gore. Best kill. Yeah. It's almost like there should be a template that we followed. That's a good idea. You don't best kill. I know that's the best body, but like it's can well I get it showed a little bit and then cutaway, right? So is that the best kill?

SPEAKER_02 1:49:38

I like Peter's kill because you see her hit the metal grate and just her body kind of just wilt like it does it breaks. Her body breaks breaks. I like I liked Peter's yeah, but hitting the deck.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:53

DJ DJ. I mean he gets you know that scene from Terminator Terminator when he busts in and the the guy Is there he's like, I'm gonna bust you up, man. Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:05

So it's build up. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Build up to it. Yeah. Rick Rosovich is awesome. Wish he was in more stuff. Patch, what are you what's your thoughts on Best Kill?

SPEAKER_05 1:50:16

It's kind of cliche because it just happens in so many different movies, but just uh the the pilot looking at the countdown, just knowing that it's coming. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Like here's where the the rest of the movie just pivots and like yeah, he's gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:34

So good.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:35

You're looking around that reminds me of oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:38

You're looking no, I was just gonna say the the stress of looking around for that explosive and everything. And he finds five when he uncovers it and there's like four seconds left.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:46

It reminds me of speed when they figure out Jeff's house and Dash Daniels is on the crew that goes in the house, and then the red light comes on, and he just knows he Yeah, he knows he's no, he knows he's screwed. He just stares and his lip quivers for a second right before the house blows up. He knows fuck. I'm done. Like can't even move because it's like, what's the point?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:06

Because Peters didn't see it coming, she just thought she was gonna find her son, right? And and but he knew and just walked into it and goes, very true. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

Yeah. Can you escape this?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:16

Here well our victims go wrong. Let me let me weigh in on the kill real quick. Sorry. I would say if Justin would have died on screen, that whole like just him like in there with his eyes exploding and everything, but he didn't. So I'm gonna have to go with the after effect of DJ, I guess. I'm gonna go with you on that one. Yeah. So we see what happened to DJ. Can you survive this? If you're on that my answer, I'll just jump right in. No. Like, unless you turn around immediately.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:45

I'm gonna survive this 100%. If you turn around immediately. As soon as I see like a vision of whatever scares them, I'm like, hey guys, I just saw this. I know you guys are seeing stuff too, and you're not gonna say anything about it. I'm gonna go in on the ship. I'm gonna lock the door.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:00

Well, the the ship they but like they no, you're locking it so they can't put the explosion on there. But it's still damaged. It was still damaged by the dude's out there fixing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:10

They gotta fix that ship. Yeah, he's fixing that shit. Guess I'll look up the body count real quick while you guys talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:15

I would imagine it's not a big number.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:17

Yeah, there's not, I mean, there's not that many people that die.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:20

Like we're yeah, so Starch, just Starch, Justin, and Cooper live. So we're Miller, DJ. Who else we got?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

My guess was if we're counting the people. Peter, my guess was eighteen.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:35

Oh, you count the oh, the crew. Actually, I have that list too.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:38

Like on screen deaths, I'm counting. I'm guessing 18. I'm looking up right now. See what I think that's I had that list somewhere too.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:45

It was getting his intestines. That's a video of people getting killed. Doesn't mean he died. He could have been fine. That'd have been fine. They were in a different dimension. What if that was just like a Tuesday?

SPEAKER_00 1:52:57

Yeah. What we do. They were gone for seven years. You think they were tortured for all seven of those years?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:02

The wiki, the Wikipedia fandom list of deaths wiki for Event Horizon says that the total number of deaths are 14. So this is included in the other cast. It counts the Event Horizon had seven. Oh wait, no, never mind. That's Captain Kilpatrick. There's so some there's one, two, three, four, five. They count five people on seen on the video as dying. They have the the suicide, Dr. Weir's wife, they have Peters. They have Dr. Weir, they have DJ, they have Smith who was blown up. I guess that's DJ.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:43

They don't have maggot leg McGee. He lived. Yeah. That's the son.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:49

What do you got? What what are we? You said 14.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:52

14 is what I'm saying. Makes sense. That's a small crew for that giant ass ship, though. Yeah. Yeah. That's a giant ship. You can only have one.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:59

I think they could have made a lot of everybody out of business. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:02

How much wasted space did they have on that thing? Gore score, guys. Oh, it's a good. I'm yeah, I'm it's buckets of blood. Eyes poked out. Mutilation, flaying. It's gotta start with an eight at least. I'd go at least.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:18

I think it's high. Like it's even even the stuff that like you know that the DJ was disassembled, like, even though you get to see all of it, you're just like, oh man. I know what he I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:29

I eye popping. I hate eye popping and eye mutilation, so that's gross. I said the video is yeah. No, go ahead. I'm just laying it out the case. No, the video, the the busting frozen person, the blood bucket, and the you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:45

Yeah, that's I mean I'd say I think I said seven just based on other stuff we've done. But you know, it's I think because there's for much of this movie, there isn't much gore. Like the first hour, we're kind of just first 45 minutes, we're getting there. Then when it ramps up, there's a lot. Charge skin. Yeah, so CGI. But yeah, if you three didn't go with eight, I'll I'll go with it. I'll roll with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:09

I mean, there's a lot of blood in the backgrounds, too. Like this, the first one. Oh, yeah, the when they first walk up. Exploded.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:15

Something exploded.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:16

Like you just you can tell that it's not a good thing that happened there.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:21

Yeah. I think something good happened here.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:24

I don't, you know, I don't think they're gonna be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:28

For comparison's sake, something like Predator, we gave a seven. I don't know. I'd agree it's more than Predator, so we'll eight's good with me. We can say that more than Predator. You're you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:39

An arm did get shot off.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:41

I have a I think that's all the categories. I just have a couple of nitpicks. Maybe you guys might have a couple too. Oh, that's nitpick. And we I don't want to spend too much time on some of these, but like why okay, so theoretically, right, when he's saying you can go from one point A to point B instantaneously, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:57

Same day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:58

Why, Neptune? You can you can answer the unanswerable question is if there is intelligent life elsewhere in this universe, and he's like, going to Neptune.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:09

Fuck yeah, go somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, that was go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:14

That's where they were going to launch from. Just to make sure they didn't blow up the earth with his gravity drive.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:20

So Neptune was how far they could make it before doing the FTL, the fashion life travel. Right, okay. So nobody wanted to go to Neptune.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:28

Neptune's the ghetto. Right. Well, I mean, but I'm just saying, like, why didn't they choose to go to a completely different universe and be like, what do they have out here? Are there is their life force smarter than us? Do they have technology better than us? South of Centauri, just to say you could do it. You know how much they didn't go, I mean, just it seems it seems like instantly anywhere. With his reasoning that you can just fold up space and go anywhere instantaneously. It's like if you got a like a free plane ticket and you're like, I'm gonna fly to I'm gonna fly to freaking Omaha, Nebraska. Like you can go anywhere. I don't know. But I think they were just Omaha Nebraska.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:10

They were just you can go to the closest star, which is still light years away from Earth. Yeah. So they just wanted to test it out. It was their maiden voyage. Yeah, so you don't like shoot for a different galaxy on your first try.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:24

I had all these plans to bring in like some facts about light years and stuff, but I forgot. Sorry, I guess. How long it takes, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:32

Yeah. Light speed is a barrier. You cannot go faster. Your mass will become infinite at light speed, but except for tachyons. Go around it, which travel faster than light and cannot travel slower than the speed of light.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:48

Okay. But if you go around, like it's a loophole, you just bend it, you fold the gravity. No, I don't know about that shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:54

I don't know anything about they opened up a wormhole. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:00

It's weird that they would then need the life support systems if they can travel instantaneously, though, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:07

So the life support wasn't to do the instantaneous, that was to get to Neptune. Oh, okay. You're talking about the stasis where they had to get in the that's to get to Neptune.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:16

They figured out to travel fast enough where it only takes obviously they had it too because they used it on the way back.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:22

It took a month or 40 days or something. It took something to get out of the way. They were going fast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:26

And there was like a two-year-old. They were pulling some crazy two-year one way now, so I don't know how fast they have to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:32

Crazy G's. So you need to be in the water, the pea water. The goop.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:39

I think so. The other thing I was gonna mention, I was like, the one of the negative reviews was basically the critic said half of what is going on is never explained, and what is explained doesn't make much sense, make doesn't make much sense. I feel like just you gotta suspend disbelief when you're watching a movie. Yeah, right, just suspend a little bit. I don't care. Like, I don't understand like the whole you how do you fold space? I said that earlier. Like, how do you fucking fold up space? It's not a space is not a piece of paper. But just if they say, hey, this is how we're gonna do it, it's like cool. I'm along, I don't, I'm along for the ride. If I'm on that ship, I'm like, are you fucking sure, Doc? That sounds insane, but I'm not on that ship. I'm watching a movie, so I'm like, cool, let's see you do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:19

Any movie that's like we have to slingshot around something. I'm like, yeah, obviously you gotta slingshot around that shit. I don't know how you do it, but it makes it faster. I don't know the math. I could go to math school. You put up you put like if it's like hidden figures and you put a big old like chuck where I'm like, I'm not gonna read that math and know what it means.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:35

Nah, right. You can you can erase all that shit right now. Yeah, just tell me you're slingshotting around the moon or something, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:40

Yeah, draw some booze. And then I don't know, I don't know if you guys know, or maybe I missed something in this movie, but do you notice in space movies that sometimes like they're like gravity, like they're not floating, they're just like like gravity exists in space. It's another one of those things there's movies where you have to get in a suit to do a space walk and go out, and other movies they just go out there, or sometimes you don't. So but but also there's times where they're just walking around the ship like gravity is going, like there is gravity. Okay, so there's a gravity drive. So like Apollo 13, like those guys are floating, they are never like well, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:12

Even when they're working on the ship, they've got like when they're working on the lowest.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:17

They have gravity boots. They have gravity boots that lock on like magnets. You guys don't remember that? What they did a like a lock-in with the magnet boots, yeah. The guys that were on the outside, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:28

But there wasn't so there wasn't enough gravity in the ionosphere of Neptune at the start for everything to still be floating, and then as soon as they turn the power on, all the gravity comes back. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:40

So they turn the gravity drive on and everything smashed out of the but it's not really a gravity drive, it's a portal to hell. With the gravity drive. But I don't think it's a good thing. When he built it, I'm sure he just said, like, oh, it's I feel like in different in in space movies, sometimes they're floating and sometimes they're not. I think or they are, and then halfway through they decide to be like, we're not gonna float anymore. They start walking around. All space movies are fucking walking around the spaceship.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:06

There's a button in all space movies that are like, okay, activate gravity. Activate artificial gravity. Yeah, artificial gravity. They push a button, everybody's all good. Fair enough. That's all you need.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:14

Fair enough. That's all that's fine. That's all I've got.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:18

What else we got?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:19

Any other nitpicks?

SPEAKER_00 2:01:20

No, I have nothing.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:21

All right. So in watching it later on, like now, like last week, watching it again. I just I I really have to say, like, I Peters, like, come on. That drove me nuts. Like, watching it this time, like, why do you know?

SPEAKER_04 2:01:39

You know, that's not your kid. Yeah. A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:41

Yeah, you know, especially if he's walking around, it's not your kid. Exactly. So not only do you know it's not a kid, your kid, but like reckless. Could could have been avoided. She she should have she should have made it. She should have been with Justin in the two. That's why she's a dumbest.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:58

That's why she got that character. Final thoughts? Final thoughts is I still am a fan. Not as much of a fan when I was, you know 16 years old watching this, but still a fan. I am a fan.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:12

Yeah. Yeah, I I was excited to see Sam Neal do a heel turn. Because I I mean I've known him as the guy from Hunt for Red October, and of course, you know, the guy from Jurassic Park. And now to see him be like that smartest guy in the room, but then halfway through the movie, it's like, oh, this guy's gonna fuck people up, he's evil. And then to see him take it a step further and it's like he's like the spawn of Satan, and the shit he's doing, I'm like, damn, that's that's that guy doing this. It was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:41

So when was in the mouth of madness? Because it's he does some similar mutilation stuff in that one, doesn't he? In what? In the mouth of madness? Yeah, I feel like there's some similar like.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:53

Most of it's just like a head game, you know, like you try to get away, tries to go there, she figures stuff out, blah blah blah. But then at the end, I think I saw that before. I can't remember if there was any mutilation, but yeah. I don't think it was that gorgeous. Yeah, no, I can't remember now.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:08

Same same new was great. Uh Lawrence Fishburne, you know, not not superstar in Lawrence Fishburne yet because we had we didn't get Morpheus yet, but still known. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good cast, decent directing. Yeah. For the time, CGI was fine.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:25

Yeah, yeah. Solid cast. Solid solid. I think they did a great job with the music, like the like the score to the movie. Score was good. Like it just and and even the lighting, like the the use of the color green is always just something that's not like even though it's so in natural, you don't expect to see the colours. Oh, like in the uh in the motherboard scene. I really liked that scene. Yeah, yeah. I thought they did a great job. I really liked that one. It held up. Like, I mean, I had some more problems with it watching it now versus when I was 13, but like truly, I was like, yep, that's still scary. It's like an interesting take on a war movie.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:59

Yeah, nitpick here. Why would you be that ornate with your your gravity drive? Like, it's a it's a functioning thing. You don't need to put all these little like circles on and yeah, that looked that looked deep, that looked hellish from the get-go, right? Somebody should have been like, that looks a little creepy, man.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:18

You really think that they the an accountant somewhere were like, do we need all of this? Right. Like this is you're sure this is to scale. I was like, no, I need the whole room. Need the whole room, and it means look evil as shit. It's for good things, right? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:31

Definitely for good things. Yeah, not for evil. Yeah, no. Did we finish all the categories, Mr. Category Guard? That's it. That's it. All right. First of all, before we kick it off to who's next, did you have fun, Patrick? Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:45

I I I've listened to many of the episodes, not all of them yet, but I've missed a lot of the episodes, so it's kind of fun to in this case to see how the sausage gets made. So yeah, it's pretty easy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:56

Not anybody could do it, so don't try it, guys. And then when they do it, they're like, that was fun.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:01

Yeah, yeah. No, it was fun. It was it was fun. I I will continue to listen, but I was I was glad I got to come for this. Maybe we'll get them on another one.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:08

Yeah, thank you for doing it with us. What's the other one you said you'd want to be in on? Share with your friends, tell them you were on this awesome podcast, have them listen to it.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:15

You did the descent movie I did not love, but I I would have commented on that. The descent, yeah. That one bothers me. It's it's more scary until you see the the the episode? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:29

I had a lot to say. He did. He did. I like the monsters. I'm like, okay, it's scary as shit without the monster, but then the monsters put it on.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:37

But scarier without the monsters, actually because that like there you there's that claustrophobia is a big fear of mine. Yeah, yeah. Well, and that I think a lot of good horror movies do that. Like the I mean, and uh the abyss isn't a horror movie, but like that the sphere, like when you're just on you're in the middle of nowhere, you're alone.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:53

You're the middle of the earth, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:55

Yeah, event horizon does a great job of just making the they're alone, they don't know what they're getting into, and it just gets worse, and it's fun. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:05

Who's gonna save you in deep space, too? You're the rescue team, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:10

This is the rescue team.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:11

It doesn't go well, you're just floating out there until you're dead. That's you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:16

The communications were down, we're on our own. That's the worst. All right, who is the next person to do a movie? Is it is it Mike? It's me. Yeah, it's me, it's me.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:26

So we've been gone through some some heavy movies lately. There's some heavy stuff here in Event Horizon, Hellraiser, Dracula, Scream to an extent. We've done some heavy ones. So I'm gonna zag a little bit and go a little silly. I don't know what you guys are doing next weekend. Do you want to meet up at the mall? And by that I mean the chopping mall.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:50

The chopping mall.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:52

I don't have any money, but I'm gonna hang out for a couple hours. So 1986 Chopping Mall.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:58

I have not seen this movie, so I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:01

I have seen it. It's one of those that's like it's hard to find. Like, I don't know how many times Amazon Prime for free? For free. Oh, free? I don't know how many times I rented from Netflix when they were doing the the DVDs. Yeah. Like, eh, I'll send it back.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:19

It's fun, man. Like, it's a fun one. Oscar snub, you know. 86 was a tough year. Well, Gandhi or something. What was that? Making movies up here. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's fun, man. There's you know, they use technology to heighten security at the mall, and guess what? It goes wrong.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:41

It sounds like the height of the mall culture. It sounds like the 86 is the it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:48

Is it just a newer Westworld as in the original Westworld? No, no, no, no. Not even close. You never saw Westworld? The new Twitter show, the movie that's I've heard of it.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:59

I watched a couple episodes of the Twitter. They're not human looking. Nope. It's more like it's like Robocop, if Robocop's wasn't good.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:08

Battlestar Galactica, where it was like it's on tracks, it's got a weird head. Yeah, claw arms. Yeah. I'm gonna look this one up.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:19

Check it out. Sounds like a group watch with just so I can be in two next week's episode. Yeah, man. Alright, when should we expect this is Monday, right? Yeah, that'll drop uh next week. We're gonna do a mini episode coming up that we got a lot of horror news going on, a lot of big, exciting things coming out. So we're gonna spend our mini episode this week talking about some horror stuff, like a prequel to weapons called Gladys that Zach Saber has appreeded to do. We've got Nicolas Cage and Osgood Perkins agreeing to do Long Legs 2, which sounds like it'll be a prequel as well. We've got Chucky going back to the big screen with the original director, Don Mancini. Uh, a lot of big horror moves.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:03

What is it? Is it Night of the Living Dead re-inviced? In Night of the Living Dead reimagined. Yeah, Viveka Fox.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:09

Viveke Fox, yeah. I'm weary on that one.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:13

I'm gonna watch it.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:14

So cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:16

Yeah, so there's a lot of there's a lot of exciting horror news that came out the last month or so, and we're gonna recap some of that as part of our mini and kind of just give our opinions on what we're excited for, what we hope things will be, what they won't, whatever. And then Choppy Mall will come out next week, the following Monday.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:30

When's the Fangory Awards? When do the when do the nominees come out?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:34

They might start like 2 July is when they announce them and they come out later, or I'll have to double check, but the chainsaw awards.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:41

Have you heard of them?

SPEAKER_05 2:09:42

I've heard of them well on this podcast. I had not known prior.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:45

It's like horrors Oscars, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or is it more like the Golden Globes for it?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:50

No, maybe the Oscars are ripping their that's true, definitely. I feel like they had the Chainsaw Awards long before the Oscars, which is like 95 years old, right? Yeah, right. Way before.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:02

Well, I hope everybody likes Event Horizon and and liked this episode. I tried to not do the scene by scene, but it got a little wonky, so I might have to go back to a more of a grounded approach to it, but I thought it was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:16

Just follow a template, you know. It's okay. Templates aren't for these guys. When you're winging it, you know, you forget to do things, you for you know, it's whatever. That's all I'm just like that's part of this podcast, is every host here has their own style. So if you like one style versus another versus another, you know, eventually you'll be you'll you'll you'll find yourself connected to you'll find yourself connected to maybe one host over the other, and that's part of it. That's why we do we do the picks. It's Justin's picks, it's Charlie's picks, it's Mike's picks. It's uh so we can distance ourselves from the picks. No, so that so that like you know, it's like maybe after we bank a bunch of these episodes, you'll be like, I really like Charlie's picks. I like Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:58

We're kind of like a Mo, Larry, and Curly. I'm Curly. Oh Mo. Give me a Mo. Wait, Curly's the one the He's the funniest.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:06

Curly's the best. Curly's the best. Moe's the boss, though. Moe's the boss. Mo's the boss. That's why I'm Mo, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:12

I'm trying to keep y'all in line. Nobody wants to be Larry. You're Curly Joe. Nobody wants to be Curly Joe. And that week that Charlie wasn't here, Sarah was Shemp, I guess, right? Yeah. Filling in. Ellen. She's gonna listen. She'll know.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:29

She'll 50-50. She hasn't seen Event Horizon, so she she only does, she'll she'll do screams and like movies she's seen for sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:38

Yeah. But I think that's part of the chart of our podcast is that every host is gonna give you something a little different, a little different style, and and pick the movies they want to do. And except when we have our tent pole movies that we all love, and it's an all hands venture in those. But you know, when we're doing ones, it's like it's our pick, it's kind of our style how the episode goes. And if you like it, great. If you don't like it, why are you listening to us? No, no, no, no. Keep listening.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:00

No, keep listening anyway.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:04

Oh man. All right. Justin, do you want to take us out? I'll do my best. I don't have my templates. But if you like what we do on this podcast, please feel free. Or please, I encourage you to like and subscribe so you don't miss any episodes as they come out. For myself, Justin, Mike, Charlie, and special guest Patrick. Andy, take us out. Home. Take us home. Do it, Mike. Do it, do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:34

Andy, take us home.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:36

This is the end friend.